Feb.13 2024: Legislation To Prohibit Foreigners From Purchasing Hawaii Homes || Real Estate LIVE

[@JohnnyO-bi1pb]

Totally understand Being forced to leave because of high cost of living. Had to leave my Home in New York. Left a city that lives forever in my heart. So painful. Life’s journey keeps going on.

[@lthage373]

Wow, tough subject to tackle without inflaming hearts and minds of viewers. Thank you for the thoughtful perspectives you brought to the table. For what it's worth, I'm fine not selling to foreign entities, but if any American wants in, they should have the opportunity. I was born on Oahu, love Hawaii, and am so thankful to be able to move back after so many years away. That, however, was made possible because both my parents passed and left me their place. Blessed to be a local girl.

[@movingtohawaii]

Happy you get to come home! Hope we can help and be a part of that. Thank you for the kind words

[@Finger_Blast]

Love you guys. So reasonable, so rational, smart, just good people. There are so many lessons to be learned from these videos. TLDR; Mahe talked about the silly person complaining about outsiders moving to Denver: Duh that happens in nearly every state. "Whah whah it's not the same as 30 yrs ago, invaders are ruining it." Nothing is the same as 30 years ago. Grow up, get over yourself. Adapt to change and embrace it, or you will fail. My family in MT blames TV shows for too many Californians moving in. Do some reading, understand economics, stop moaning. So dumb. Derek's example of someone moving 90 minutes away from Bay Area to Sacramento is an excellent point. The difference is one word: Proximity. In CA you can drive an hour and get into a vastly different socio-economic situation. In Hawaii, you have to make a much larger move (a few thousand miles, not 60).

[@surfr4evr2]

Very interesting and thought-provoking discussion…glad you guys are addressing this. Forget about the crabs in the bucket mentality, get the hell out of the bucket! You were cautious about this, but we are all equally armed to go out there and do better for ourselves and our families. KZbin videos, side hustles, networking, etc. plenty of ways to make and save money. Is it going to be hard? Yes! But, keeping at it will hopefully create a better future for you and your family. Why is capitalistic advancement so frowned upon in certain groups?

[@vincentlongoria3366]

Love that you decided to broach this subject. This said, I had to stop watching your channel because I could not reconcile my personal beliefs which what it is you do everyday which is sell away Hawaiian land to people who will never fully appreciate or value the native people and culture. They only look to "own a piece of paradise." I say this with no malice in my heart, but you are part of the machine that is driving people out of Hawaii. Love that you are making this conversation public. Maybe this will lead to new opportunities to do more to help true Hawaiians.

[@michaelkiese7794]

I was born and raised in Hawaii and served in the US Army. One of my good Army buddies I met along the way is 100% Hawaiian, and born in the mainland. His parents left Hawai'i, and built a very happy life on the mainland. When I asked him if he'd move back to Hawai'i, he said probably not because he likes his life on the mainland, and though his roots are in Hawai'i, Hawai'i is not his "home". It was a very interesting experience because by blood, he is 100% Hawaiian but by culture he's basically Ha'ole. The thing I was surprised to learn is that there are Hawaiians who live on the mainland who are very happy and successful. Usually their voices are never part of this conversation. It's easy to assume that every Hawaiian would move back to Hawaii if they could, but I for one was surprised that is not the case.

[@movingtohawaii]

I understand you are making your comment calmly and respectfully And I respect and appreciate that. That said… You over estimate our ability to move peoples entire lives and livelihoods. Did you know there was more relocation happening and out of state buyers 10 years ago than now? What changed? The internet makes things more polarizing. Check my facts with grass root institute of Hawaii. If relocation is going to happen as it always has, would you prefer a Hawaiian family like Mahe’s benefit and also represent and indoctrinate aloha in the process, or the precious faces of the relocation scene? It’s not entirely rhetorical and every can have their opinion, but I’d rather my people be the face, be the friends, be the representatives, and rise up. Just my stance.

[@vincentlongoria3366]

%​@@michaelkiese7794 First, thank you for responding. Second, It's clear that your colleague was born on the mainland (continent). His home is on the mainland. His connections are on the mainland. It makes sense that there is where he chooses to reside. It also makes sense that he is more "Haole," as you put it. The problem is that when one considers the history of Hawaii and how the United States came to posses it that the issue of land ow-nership and a displaced/dispossessed people comes to the forefront. Unless there is a change my guess is that in 75-100 years this conversation will mean nothing because Oahu, Maui and Hawaii will be 80%-90% haole.

[@vincentlongoria3366]

I've thought about this, as well. First, I never want to mess with anyone's bag. You go get yours. Mahe is what drew me to the channel along with your heritage (my wife is Hapa). Mahe is a great example of a strong woman and it's clear she holds things down, culturally speaking. However, what I could not reconcile is the Haunani-Kay Trask mindset I have about this particular concept with selling to Haoles. It's a double-edged sword for you--I get that. Damned if you do damned if you don't. It's like stray cats. As long as you feed them they will come to your doorstep. Regardless of the market ebbs and flows the machine feeds the machine. Maybe you've already read my response to another reader. I simply hate to see such a rich and inspiring culture be engulfed by the weeds of imperialism. It happens time and time again. This said, I never thought I'd be trading ideas with you. I hope life sends good things your way. Take care.

[@michaelkiese7794]

@@vincentlongoria3366 could you please say more about reconciling the Haunani K Trask mindset with selling to ha’oles? This is a very interesting topic you brought up, because even before the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom in 1893, the Hawaiian aristocracy owned all/most of the land. Hawaiian commoners could not own land, yet the Hawaiian aristocracy would sell land to rich Ha’oles and intermarry with them. I find this concept of “selling to ha’oles” very interesting. Is it good? Is it bad? It definitely happened and continues to happen.

[@brendamclean8447]

This was really interesting to listen to. I’m from Canada and always wanted to buy a home in Hawaii and live there for half the year as I can only be in the USA for 6 months. But I understand that even though Hawaii is part of the US, it’s not like the other states. Because of the way Hawaii was acquired by the US, it is heartbreaking to know that many wealthy foreigners can come and scoop up everything that’s left. I’m not sure what the answer is but I don’t believe passing the government bill is the answer at all. Really enjoyed this discussion guys

[@honoluluhapa]

Very hard but important conversation to have. It is extremely difficult for some of us to stay afloat living here but I tell myself it was cheap or easy then everyone would be here in Hawaii, and that would not be good right?

[@movingtohawaii]

Fair point ❤️💪🏽🤙🏽

[@AshleyandWesley]

As someone who’s born on Oahu but is nowhere near Hawaiian.. this is very interesting 🧐

[@movingtohawaii]

Tough topic for sure

[@kelbybmartin]

With the new Tesla megapack replacing the coal plant there. Have you noticed a change in your power bill?

[@disastag]

In my part of Switzerland, we have a similar law. The goals were to make affordable housing possible for locals again and to ensure that entire villages are not only used for a few weeks a year. This law has been in effect since 2015 - it has achieved nothing. The law artificially further limited housing, and families continue to move away. Such laws belong in communism, not in a free market economy.

[@michaelkiese7794]

Truth!

[@zonansg4212]

foreigners should not be entitled to prosperity in the free market of another nation ESPECIALLY when the there isn't enough to go around for the locals

[@FinneousFogg-ix6vr]

Should have been done long ago! Also increase legislation to forbid mainlanders (Califonies) from owning Hawaii homes and land!!

[@kehepernesoutbityre3788]

I’m Carribean from Martinique Island and i would like to word at Hawaiian Airlines and live in Honolulu. In front of this topic, i feel myself in the foreign position BUT, my island heart is fully support the HAWAIIAN land preservation and capability priorité to be OWNER like what we fight for in Martinique against local uncomfortable situation. 🙏🏽💪🏽

[@PBlueturtle]

I absolutely LOVE this channel. I always learn something from you guys. Mahalos for being MY mentors.😎

[@user-se5hf8bz8h]

What are low-end to medium quality condos and townhomes going for at this point? Are there things available with a monthly cost of $3k or is it higher towards $4-5k monthly with HOA, insurance and everything included?

[@kehepernesoutbityre3788]

It’s a SUNNY, SANDY BEACH place problem

[@MJ-hr8yi]

During covid a lot of foreigners couldn't buy homes here and pricing still went through the roof. If the non home owner thinks they have a chance because foreigners can't buy you still are going to have to compete with wealthy locals (tons of) and military. We can't ban everyone that can afford something that we can't lol. If I were going to purchase a home I would be thinking of getting your credit score above 700 and making sure you have 2 years of solid tax returns, and then go see these guys.

[@CK-sf8se]

Great idea

[@michaellatta]

There are multiple countries that do restrict ownership to citizens.

[@PBlueturtle]

Like New Zealand

[@sethknott]

Great video! Thanks for sharing and helping to educate about important topics!

[@michaellatta]

Just barring non-citizens from buying land will not mean the houses in Hawaii get more affordable. As the prices go down more mainland buyers will come. The goal should be to enable locals to be more competitive through a more diverse and competitive economy.

[@wilfredmotosue2615]

If we pass this law, we'll be sued guaranteed. Have to figure out a different way to a have locals be able to buy. Away have to understand that.

[@mrose4566]

The state should just say "no" 100% IMHO. American's can not own land in other countries. For example Japan and Philippines. If your spouse is a citizen of that country land can be purchased in their name. However, a US foreign nationals cannot the purchase land, only the person from that country. I don't understand why that is not enforceable.

[@terryd2188]

This was a good Vlog. I'm from Mo but grew up between Mo and Tx. I loved it when I lived in Hi, and I understand how Hawaiians feel about people coming from the mainland and buying up all the land. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people moving from Cali to TX. We hate that people are coming Cali to here because it's adding stress to our roadways, and they are trying to bring their laws to Tx. Because I lived there I appreciated how people treated the island and eachother. Things changed from the late 90s to now but when I go back there I feel relaxed and support local businesses.

[@elevate5369]

As a native of So Cal and currently renting in San Diego (Point Loma) it’s my dream to buy in Oahu and give my wife(Maui native) not only the opportunity to live back in Hawaii. But also build wealth over time in Hawaii and build new memories w family there again in Oahu and Maui. We’ve spent years in Cali and Vegas. Now it’s time to build and root in Hawaii. But I believe Hawaiian should have the right to protect their land and get access to ownership. More importantly be given proper education to how to achieve that. Everything you fight hard for is an uphill battle. If it’s made easy for people no matter where you’re from they won’t value it. No matter where they buy. I’m against rewarding Lazy people. Great topic.

[@shawnstark7622]

It's not unconstitutional since our constitution does not apply foreigners. And as others have pointed out it's quite difficult in other Countries for foreigners to buy land so I don't understand people's mindset that it should be so simple in the U.S. Or try to hide behind something that isn't applicable just because of greed, meaning for example that some would rather sell land for 800K to a foreigner rather than sell it to locals for 500K. That issue aside lets talk abut something that would actually help local buy land but cutting whatever red tape that causes permitting to take years, not to mention addressing the fact that builders hold back inventory and builds in order to keep prices high. Fact of the matter if there were more housing it would reduce the demand just enough to relive some of the pressure. One major reason for the higher prices is it's an Island thus everything needs to be shipped there, which already has a built in "fee" that people normally wouldn't see as high on the mainland. And there is no getting away from that. But there are other ways to reduce housing prices as well as create more housing that can be done legislatively without causing people to argue over the first issue, being a ban. Though I do feel that if you want to "own" property in the U.S. you should be a legal resident. Nothing is stopping these people from moving and working here, if renting is good enough for the locals why isn't it good enough for foreigners? So I feel that a multiprong approach would help alleviate matters, rather than politicians constantly disagreeing over trivial matters and never actually getting anything beneficial to the citizens done. All they ever seem to know how to do is create more problems or find solutions to ones that don't even exist. Maybe instead of worrying about this ban they should be working on a way to build housing for Lahaina residents...

[@JamPenny22]

Excellent conversation guys!! There are no easy answers. Perpetual change and it’s not always welcome. I’m torn though, I totally get it about foreigners (non American), and protecting our own, but part of the beauty of being from US is being free to choose, whether it’s NY Ca, TX, or Hawaii. Idk, I see both sides to an equal point. Just kinda disheartening to see we have gotten to this point, makes me wonder what’s next. Just thinking out loud. ❤

[@movingtohawaii]

Thank you for your comment

[@davidframe1613]

This should be the law in the whole United States. I think most countries don't allow foreigners to own land or homes but they can own condos for a certain amount of time. Also current law says government shall not own land that means federal and state but somehow they owned all kinds of land. Should be gave to the people but would end up doing a way with national Parks which would be bad. But the land belongs to people not governments.

[@dohunkim3429]

Most You should also consider unintended consequences such as shrinking government revenue, economic losses of interested parties, etc. If Hawaii bans all non-Hawaiians from investing in Hawaii properties, the economy could suffer. And Hawaiians will not be able to invest anywhere based on the principles of reciprocity. Rather than scapegoating foreigners and out of state people, Hawaii should eliminate red tapes to build high density affordable housing.

[@scottn2526]

I don't think it would hold up constitutionally if someone is buying a primary residence there should not be any additional stipulations added however if you have billionaires who are buying investment property in hopes of turning a profit there should be some type of a way to prevent that from happening whenever a sale is made whichever name appears on the title should have to have primary residence in the house for a minimum period of time if they do not and they're just trying to flip it tax the hell out of them when they inevitably try to sell it I would have no problem with that whatsoever

[@professlch6347]

Yikes.

[@benh3427]

Foreigners?America are all foreigners from the beginning of Mayflower landing on Plymouth to now. So maybe we all go back to where we came from? So how far back should we go before we begin to say that we belong here?

[@movingtohawaii]

This was acknowledged in the discussion

[@realestatearbitrage1124]

AND the Hawaiians came from were? Tahiti.

[@zonansg4212]

not a valid argument from legal/pragmatic standpoint

[@realestatearbitrage1124]

You can't go back folks. Hawaii if you sell and want to come back 10 years later it is impossible for most. BUY and HOLD is the only way, for families as well. Use Hui as the vehicle to success. EXTRA TAX on out of state buyers is pure racism, don't do that. Even your Gov said that was illegal and then he did it as to the tiers of price for TAXES on landlords. What if you have house in Hawaii and want to keep it and move to Nevada,,,should you then pay more taxes? No! No other state does that. It is wrong. Hawaii can't have it both ways. If you deny out of staters to buy Hawaii property you must force sellers to sell to locals only which will reduce the price and hurt the sellers.

[@michaelkiese7794]

You make great points. In my case, I was born and raised in Hawai'i. I have family in Hawai'i, and my dad and grandma are buried in Hawai'i. I joined the US Army and live in Virginia now. Although I was born and raised in Hawaii, I am no longer a Hawaii state resident. So basically I fall into the category of "out of stater". Should I get EXTRA TAX because I'm out of state? I mean, where does one draw the line, right? Is a mainland ha'ole who moved to Hawai'i and bought a home 3 years ago more "local" than me? Am I no longer "A local"? I guess that's what would become the prevailing point of view under the proposed legislation. At some point you have to reconcile local culture and residency issues. If rich mainlanders become the new locals, the culture of Hawaii WILL change. Constantly resorting to government mandates over the market is just nothing but Socialism and Communism. But that's how people think, and that's the policies people in Hawai'i vote for. I think the only answer is to get rich. lol. You won't get rich being born into the working class in Hawaii and staying in Hawaii. Gotta move mainland and seek out better opportunities, make your money, then come back. I think that is also why Hawaii politicians are so bad. All of Hawaii's best and brightest leave Hawaii for better opportunities elsewhere. The politicians of Hawaii are the ones that stay behind, which are not the best and brightest Hawaii has to offer.

[@realestatearbitrage1124]

@@michaelkiese7794 I get that and understand. You are 100% right on. I have roots in Hawaii and California. We are flooded with illegals in CA. Must feel similar in some ways to Hawaiians. Hawaiians should keep their family land and not sell it off for quick cash. The land is a gift from Heaven. Cherish it and take care of the Aina. The original natives of NYC sold off their land for $26 and some blankets 300 years ago for a frozen swamp. Now they want all of of Manhattan back. That is just sour grapes. Not gonna happen. The developers and the politicians are at fault here. But it is 225 years too late. You can't tax people any more than others because they live there now and are a different race, or how long they live there. That is pure racism. Vegas doesn't tax Hawaiians extra that move there. That idea is a really bad idea. Same for out of state buyers. "Locals" seem to think that they are better than others. That is a form of false pride in some ways. Respect everybody, even newcomers. So, You list it, people gonna make an offer. You accept it, it is sold. It is ironic that Derek and Mahe have mixed feelings about all of this yet they are the very agents of selling off the property in Hawaii to new buyers from anywhere for a commission. I also get that. Having said that, I would contact them in a flat minute to buy or sell there because Derek and I speak the exact same language. What he wants to do, I did in Kailua. Now it sounds like he wants to live there too in other videos. I welcome him and hope he is my neighbor so we can talk story over the back yard fence. Mahe too!. It is a very complicated subject in many ways. Also, when Mahe said that her great grandmother(?) sold off multiple homes in Kailua decades ago and "just gave them away"....that was certainly not true. She sold for and agreed with the offer from a buyer. In those days a house may have cost $8,000....but that was like a $million is today because the dollar is worth 2 cents now compared to 1913 due to the FED printing fake money, just like Rich Dad said. It is all true. Sounds like she sold them 50-60- years ago or something. You can't be angry at that as she wanted to sell, or needed to. It was her house...it was her choice. You can't complain. And it is a complicated and emotional issue. But taking out harsh laws to aim at others who did nothing that happened ~200 years ago is not the solution. Families there should not sell but pass on their homes to their kids, or use hui. That is the only solution. Good luck!!

[@michaelkiese7794]

@@realestatearbitrage1124 Sounds like we are pretty much 100% on the same page. It's tough when mom and pops local Hawaiian family has 3 kids, but mom and pops are in their 70s/80s now. One daughter lives with Mom and Pops with her 3-4 kids, one son lives in the same home with Mom and Pops, nobody is paying rent cause Mom and Pops don't charge them. Then Mom and Pops pass and split the house 3 ways equally between all 3 Keiki. I mean, 3 families can't live in one house. So they end up selling and each getting 1/3 of the sale proceeds. Hawaiians move out, mainlanders move in. Happens all the time. But life really is about choices. What did the Hawaiian kids do with their income for all those years not paying rent or a mortgage? They could have saved up and invested in other properties. I'm sure some do, but most don't. Most people (just human nature) just take it easy when all their needs are met. They don't work to get ahead, they don't think about the future. In Hawaii, it is imperative that one constantly work to get ahead no matter who you are. Low supply, high demand, everything is imported, and the FED printing money out of thin air creates one heck of a pressure cooker for Hawai'i, and most locals just simply do not think about that, much less comprehend it. In the end, just do your best to become as rich as possible if you want to live in Hawaii. Then everybody is in the same camp.

[@michaelkiese7794]

Regarding the proposed legislation of SB2617 of prohibiting foreigners from owning property, here is the description: Prohibits foreign principals from acquiring real property in the State or any interest in real property in the State, except a de minimus indirect interest. Defines foreign principal. Requires a foreign principal that owns real property that was acquired before this measure's effective date to register the ownership with the Attorney General. Requires a buyer of real property to provide a signed affidavit attesting that the buyer is not a foreign principal. Authorizes the forfeiture of real property or an interest in real property that is owned or acquired unlawfully. Establishes penalties. Declares that the appropriation exceeds the state general fund expenditure ceiling for 2024-2025. Appropriates moneys. §-1 Definitions. As used in this chapter, unless the context otherwise requires: "Department" means the department of the attorney general. "Foreign principal" means: (1) The government or any official of the government of a foreign country; (2) A political party or member of a political party or any subdivision of a political party in a foreign country; (3) A partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country, or a subsidiary of that entity; (4) Any person who is domiciled in a foreign country and is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States; (5) Any person, entity, or collection of persons or entities, described in paragraphs (1) through (4) having a controlling interest in a partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust, or any other legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real property in the State.

[@michaelkiese7794]

So basically no foreign citizen, foreign government, or foreign government agent would be able to purchase property in Hawaii under this bill. And current Foreign Principals who own property in Hawaii would have to register with the Attorney General of Hawaii.

[@michaelkiese7794]

The Philippines has had a similar policy for many years. Since the Philippine currency is so undervalued (1 USD = 50 Pesos), if foreigners were allowed to buy property, they'd buy up all the property and no Philippine nationals would ever be allowed to own property. In order to own property in the Philippines, you MUST be a Philippine citizen. So Expats who buy property in the Philippines usually are married to a Philippine national, and the property is in their spouse's name. That's my understanding anyways. I'm not sure if SB2617 is constitutional under Hawaii's state constitution, or even the US Constitution. That's for the lawyers. So before people even weigh in, the legality of this bill has to be addressed. It may not even be passable.

[@michaelkiese7794]

And one last thing, if the bill is not passable because it's unconstitutional, that's pretty embarrassing for the politicians that proposed the bill.

[@leilareggie1826]

I think this is a valuable topic to educate potential buyers. Hawaii is a unique marketplace and is an example of why it is important to have experienced, ethical broker representation like yourselves. We are an international investment location and the unchecked purchase of commercial and residential properties is a factor in the high prices. Cash buyers often are parking their money, not invested in the communities they buy in. Foreigners here often buy for cash and go unchecked. I saw this happen in L.A. and San Francisco. I think this legislation is needed in this crossroads of the Pacific. It is a long time coming and a step in the right direction. Next is the development of actual affordable housing, not just a few high rises in town. Too often private developers start affordable then switch to a minimal number of units for rent at affordable prices to enjoy the tax benefits after the complex permitting process. It is a strategic business plan as they just st have to be willing to wait it out through a final permitting process. Development of smaller, say, 1,200 square feet single family homes Even 8-12 unit condos can happen. Hope you are staying in Ewa.

[@sparkleh-wy7jz]

Im all for it!! They ruined Tahiti.

[@brett_hall]

As an Aussie who has been to Hawaii 17 times and counting, one of my future goals is to own a Condo in Waikiki so we can come to Hawaii more often and stay for longer. This would be a property that we would stay in regularly and rent out for others to enjoy when we are not there. As Derek mentioned, the properties that most foreigners purchase are Condos and the properties that most locals need are detached residential homes. I can’t see how this proposed policy will solve those housing issues in Hawaii and could also have major impacts on the Economy. Love the channel and content.

[@FinesseFisherman]

This is a difficult topic to tackle, I believe that the land should stay in a collective to benefit Native Hawaiian people living on the islands. Meaning all new build properties are "leaseholds" anyone can buy, but the land lease payments go directly into helping build up the Hawaiian people. An Org can be set up to govern this.

[@movingtohawaii]

Thank you for your comment. This is an interesting angle. What don’t think about and have you observed and analyzed current leasehold neighborhoods….current situations where people “buy” a depreciating asset and what it does to the area, the collective mindset and culture… it’s socialist adjacent and although I agree with your heart and sentiment, I don’t see the result that we want coming from that policy. I sadly just don’t.

[@FinesseFisherman]

@@movingtohawaii Yea, I don't know for sure if it's a viable option. I love Hawaiian culture and want to see it flourish in Hawaii. I would like to see a way for people to be able to bring money to the islands and some of that go directly into keeping Hawaii as pure and flourishing as can be. Thank you guys for what you do. Love the information.

[@hawiianfamilyfriendly]

What about creating A bill where Hawaiian Homelands has the last right of recision so if a Blood Quantam Family can match the highest and best offer with the same contingencies then the local family gets it. I thought when I bought my house on Oahu there was language on title that shows the state of Hawaii had The Last Right Of recession anyway.

[@hawiianfamilyfriendly]

Recision*

[@JamPenny22]

I wondered if something like that was in place. There should be in some context I think. ❤

[@michaelkiese7794]

The catch is, what would the specific blood quantam be though? 50%? 25%? 12.5%? Also, do both spouses have to have blood quantam or just one? That's one heck of a slippery slope. It's very rare for someone to even be 50% Hawaiian these days. Kamehameha schools has literally dropped their blood quantam requirement for attendance to be "one drop of Hawaiian blood". At a certain point, blood quantam becomes so miniscule that it is not only comical, but insulting that someone would call themselves indigenous Hawaiian with "one drop of Hawaiian blood". At that point, it is no longer about helping the indigenous people of Hawaii and it becomes literally a race for social benefits. If you're 0.001% Hawaiian, then that means by definition and math, you're 99.999% non-Hawaiian. It's sad because there have been Hawaiians from Ni'ihau that have applied for Kamehameha Schools, but were denied admission because they don't have US birth certificates to prove their ancestry. Crazy but true. These are indigenous peoples of Hawaii that speak the original untainted Olelo Hawai'i. If you visually look at Kamehameha schools student population, many of them appear to be non-Hawaiian. I know a gentleman that graduated Kam schools and the dude looks whiter than Tom Hanks. One drop of blood is 0.05 mL or 0.00005L 4.3L of blood in the average female 0.00005/4.3 5.7L of blood in the average male 0.00005/5.7 One drop of blood in an average female is 0.00116279069767442% Hawaiian One drop of blood in an average male is 0.00087719298245614% Hawaiian.

[@JamPenny22]

@@michaelkiese7794 I never thought of it that way. It’s a very complex notion. Is there a right answer? Should there be? I don’t know. I understand the conversation, and the reason for it, but there always seems to be a valid counterpoint, and the conversation just continues. I know it’s naive of me to think there’s a way to please everyone. It’s a crazy world we live in….. I just wish for peace, kindness and understanding for all, that’s the best I got for now.

[@michaelkiese7794]

@@JamPenny22 You're right in that it's a very complex notion. It's impossible to please everyone. The problem with government mandates is that the mandates will literally pick winners and losers simply by decree. That is the sure path to tick people off, especially since it is impossible to please everyone. The choices we make matter. We are all a sum of our choices. In the end, the government can really one do one thing, take money from one person, and give it to another. This usually ends up punishing people who make good choices, and rewarding people who make bad choices. This creates a race and battle for benefits. I truly do feel for the indigenous people of Hawaii. Of all the things that Hawaiians lost, I think losing their language was the biggest tragedy, even moreso than the land and country. Here's a GREAT question to ask: How many people who claim to be indigenous people of Hawai'i actually speak Olelo Hawai'i? You would think that indigenous people would speak their indigenous language. Maybe, just maybe if speaking Olelo Hawaii were a pathway to indigenous rights, alongside blood quantum...maybe just maybe more indigenous people would be incentivized to learn Olelo Hawai'i. I bet you dollars to donuts, some Kanaka would be incentivized to become fluent in Olelo Hawaii. And the rest who are just squawking for a free handout would just go away. The Hawaiians that are truly Hawaiian in their heart would want to learn Olelo Hawaii through a path to owning real estate. Then BOOM! you solve 2 problems at the same time: you increase fluency and usage of Olelo Hawaii, and you get more real estate into the hands of Hawaiians. That's just the good idea fairy at work. I doubt that would ever happen in real life. Too many people would complain.

[@xbadandy182x]

Hawaii should legalize gambling. Open a Casino. Employ locals and natives. Give them the profits.

[@HamRadioLiveShow]

You had to mention Oregon… I get it. The “inmates run the asylum” here. But many of us can’t take it anymore. Like us, we are either blessedly Hawaii, Florida or Texas bound. Akua bless you. Mahalo

[@realestatearbitrage1124]

One politician said 100% tax each yer on foreign buyers (out of state uyers too?). GROW UP AND GET REAL!

[@michaellatta]

One thing that impacts making it is the 50% wage loss vs inflation. Most wages are 2/3 what they would be if they kept up with inflation over the last 25 years.

[@darrylloo4080]

Even if foreigners can't buy Hawaii real estate, including mainlanders, local investors going buy all the homes. The problem will not be solved.

[@smplfi9859]

Americans, will always be able to buy AMERICAN land, it is an overstated fallacy that Hawaii is a nation first. It is American soil first and a Hawaiian nation second.. get over it. We aren't going anywhere. We will keep coming! The American state of Hawaii will continue its Americanization, perhaps even a second city one day. The ban should properly stop the Asian influx. Understand you are not allowed to just buy land in India, or China, or Phillipines. They don't treat us to the same courtsey of laws or rights. We have no rights to buy their land but they should maintain rights to buy our land? That isn't just.

[@realestatearbitrage1124]

King Kamehameha tried to give Hawaii to Russia for guns to getum other Hawaiians on Maui. Russia said no, no want them. NOW WHAT?

[@michaelkiese7794]

Why aren't more houses being built in Hawaii? Aloha Stadium could be demolished and tons of affordable housing and other housing developments can be built. Also, I noticed a trend of the new properties in Hawaii being "fee simple" yet, even through the property by all means LOOKS like a house, it's listed as a CONDO, so you MUST pay a monthly maintenance fee for as long as you own the property. Can you guys please address this phenomenon?

[@tangli9425]

Thanks. You are right on the issue. In fact, this is a slippery slope…today, they want to prohibit outsiders from purchasing home in Hawaii, tomorrow they would want to have free housing for everyone who was born in Hawaii. When you are lazy, you just want protection and free of everything.

[@smplfi9859]

not the same, they should ban asians from ownership. that is very smart and will be better for both Hawaiians and Americans. You are not allowed to just buy land in India, or China, or Phillipines. They don't treat us to the same courtsey of laws or rights. We have no rights to buy their land but they should maintain rights to buy our land? That isn't just.

[@tangli9425]

@@smplfi9859Yes, stupid country has stupid laws. But should Hawaii go to that path? If those countries were allowing foreigners buying land there, would you do it? Why wouldn’t you consider Japan, which is much more open, modern and friendly, not to mention it is one of the safest places on earth. Japan allows foreigners to buy land and houses there, and Tokyo’s market is red hot!

[@kauaiboy5o]

The foreigner they are talking about are the Chinese and "foreigners" not to appear to be prejudice or hateful to a specific group of people. A spade is a spade.

[@smplfi9859]

You are not allowed to just buy land in India, or China, or Phillipines. They don't treat us to the same courtsey of laws or rights. We have no rights to buy their land but they should maintain rights to buy our land? That isn't just. It's not race issue, but it it is. They don't treat us equally as we treat them.... so they are denied. as they should be

[@Jiraiyasama11]

for a US citizen to buy in china, the primary requirement is that you have studied or worked in China for at least one year on a residence permit. there are ,however, no restrictions for any chinese entities wanting to buy real estate in the us. how's that for a spade?

[@surfr4evr2]

Very true! How many haoles own monster homes in Kalihi? 😅

[@stevenmoylan166]

Reparations? Restoring the balance

[@doa-rave]

Iam all for non Americans to not be able to buy land/ homes / businesses in Hawaii