Fellow Ode Gen 2 Burrs VS SSP MP Brew Burrs | 64mm Flat Burr Comparison

[@Sinisterg60]

Thanks for the shout out! The more the gen 2 burrs season the better they are getting.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Absolutely my friend!

[@mikecronis]

Here's my take as I have both burrs in the Ode 2: Imagine a Thanksgiving Dinner: SSP will further differentiate individual flavors and separate them as served one item at a time each on a separate plate with a sip of water in between each dinner item. The Ode 2 standard burr will put all of those on a single plate.

[@montanausa329]

@@mikecronis nice example thanks 😊

[@dcseain]

I went with the SSP MP burrs, upgrading from a Baratza Encore, and I am thrilled with the results.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

They are fantastic burrs!

[@nickterzulli8912]

Thanks again for doing these reviews Aaron. I appreciate it. It's so awesome to see people getting to see how the Gen 2 breaks in once seasoned!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

My pleasure man! 🤘☕️

[@TheBigBowy]

Seasoned? Lol

[@arisafghanzada]

As the Gen 2 Burrs break in, is it safe to say they begin to take on more of the characteristics of the SSP MP Burrs?

[@nickterzulli8912]

@@arisafghanzada I wouldn't say that. Their profiles are different. But after seasoning, the Gen 2 profile tightens a bit and less fines are generated, causing the cups to be a bit cleaner and sweeter.

[@arisafghanzada]

​@@nickterzulli8912 Very cool, already really enjoying the grind from the Gen 2 so I look forward to the flavor development. Thanks again for the feedback, Nick!

[@wlmontag]

I am very excited to purchase the Fellow Ode grinder when the gen 2 burrs are standard. This video was very helpful and I really enjoyed it. Thanks so much.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

For the money it’s a great brew grinder, hopefully they are standard issue soon and more people can experience and enjoy them!

[@jordivandenende4067]

Yesterday I ordered the gen2 burrs. Happy to see some positive reviews about it. 😅

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Oh absolutely! They’re fantastic ☕️🤘

[@RobertFHarrison]

Mahalo! I went with Gen 2 burrs based on the price and have not been disappointed. I don't plan on upgrading from this point as I'm very satisfied with the coffee I'm producing. I think refining my technique will probably yield better results than changing my burrs out again. The Gen 2's are a huge improvement over the Gen 1's for anyone still on Gen 1 and concerned about costs.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

The Gen 2 are a fantastic choice! Honing your brewing skills and understanding of what impact different variables like water temp, water quality, flow rate, grind size, thermal mass, etc. will greatly improve your coffee… but that’s also really nerdy stuff that some find daunting, myself included. There are some great resources out there like Jonathon Gagne’s book The Physics of Filter Coffee that go pretty deep in that topic. But if your getting good coffee you’re already happy with, that’s half the battle! Happy brewing 😊☕️🤘

[@PetrucciMusampa]

just the video I needed! thanks for the content!!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching 😊

[@FunWithTheBugs]

I have the Gen 2 burrs as well as the SSP MP and I have switched between them both so many times since I got the Gen 2 burrs trying to decide which I like better. I think I like the sweetness and more body the Gen 2s offer over the clarity but more thinner tasting SSPs but everytime I think I am set I switch it back. 🤣

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Yeah it’s tough! They’re both such good burrs and provide a different experience for each respective coffee.

[@DJ-Art-Morris]

The fact that you kept going back and forth between them really makes me wonder if I’m making the right choice splurging on the ssp’s. Please tell me you finally settled down with the ssp’s to give me peace of mind dammit lol.

[@pcchoon]

in the world of high end products, people tend to pay substantially a lot money for such a minor difference. which is also true here :). thanks for the comparison

[@robertsharpnack2141]

Enjoyed the video. Thanks for your thoughts on these burrs.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks! 😊

[@nolanrizzo4901]

Video turned out great! Both the ssp mp burrs and the fellow gen 2 burrs are a solid choice in upgrading the ode!

[@WTFA54]

I'm excited to try these in the Timemore Sculptor though prob won't grab SSPs for a long time 😅

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I’ve got an 078 coming and I’m wondering if anyone will make upgrades 78mm burrs! But from the sounds of it the turbo burrs are pretty fantastic.

[@peterlin6419]

I've been looking for a comparison video of the two, but was really hoping for some triangle testing to eliminate bias.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for the feedback, I’m always looking for ways to make these videos better for everyone. In my next burr comparison video I will be sure to do that! 😊☕️🤘

[@mostlycharlie]

I’ve got both burrs and recently swapped the SSPs back in. I like what they both bring to the table, and I’ve found that the best way for me to get the best of both worlds is to grind with the SSPs for the higher clarity and then brew with a Hario Switch for an even extraction and heavier body.

[@leehoustonwang]

What level grind do you use for use with the Switch?

[@mostlycharlie]

@@leehoustonwang For a single cup of light roast, 6 is often my starting point.

[@corwinblack4072]

Kinda like Mugen with SSP.

[@mrbentv1762]

watching again to support

[@robs1714]

Have had my gen 2 ode for a month, it’s better than my hand grinder but I have no clue if I’m really using it to it’s potential for my pour overs

[@coffeenerdaaron]

As long as your coffee is tasting the way you like then you’re good! There’s no right or wrong, grind size is based on personal preference. Grind finer and finer until the coffee starts to taste bad to you then back the grind off a little. Also your water quality and brew method plays a role so you should consider those variables as well.

[@JoannMcNiel]

Your review was a year ago, but what coffee were you tasting. Lots of berry flavors. Brand and flavor please. Thx.

[@stephenthorsteinsson]

Another great video! Love the color scheme the two of you are rocking.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

😝 thanks!!!

[@TheBradleyd1146]

Did you notice the grind setting needed to be coarser on the recommended grind setting when using the SSP MP burrs ?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

It depends on how you have it calibrated but generally yes I have found the cups to taste better and brew times to be better at courser settings.

[@kmurray1981]

Great video. Would you guys be willing to do another video on the MP burrs after the 10lb break in period and give your thoughts on it? Take care of.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I think we can arrange something 😜🤘☕️

[@erwin7642]

Hi, just got the FO2 and I'm really happy with the consistent grind. Just figuring out the dial setting now, for a natural and light roast it seems that I have to go coarser not to get a muddy slurry in my V60 (I use 18 grams for 320gram of water). With Moccamaster I do get a really nice cup on setting 4 and 2 bars (500 gram of water). Would you recommend to go courser for the V60 to get a better slurry and less draw down time (now about 4 minutes which is quite long)? Thanks!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Hi, congratulations on getting a Gen 2! I would recommend going courser if you feel your brews are over extracted. If you’re getting cups of coffee you like at those settings then I wouldn’t change anything. Even though they are helpful data points to understand what’s going on with your brew, flavor is the most important over brew time or the look of your coffee bed. But again if the brew time is long and you feel the cup is over extracted then yes I do recommend going courser and trying again! 😊 ☕️🤘

[@3rd-Wave_Rebel]

Hey guys! I got my Ode gen 2 for a month now and have been really happy with the taste profile. It has a rich fuller body when it’s hot but it gets thinner as the temperature cools down. Whenever I’m drinking Yiragcheffe which is more tea like and fruity, I tend to let it cool off a little in order to experience it brighter. Here’s my question: does the SSP give you the tea like profile right away while it’s hot with its acidity? If that’s the case does it get super acidic once the coffee really cool down? Can you say Gen 2 burrs get super close to the SSP burrs once they are both get cool down? Finally, I have been thinking it lately whether if it’s a waste of money to buy another Ode Gen 2 with the SSP burrs pre-installed. But then again, I can always buy a set of SSP burrs to have it installed myself, then I think about cumbersome job about the alignment and potentially wasting a great set of Gen 2 burrs once the SSP burrs is installed. The Gen 2 burrs set is pretty much useless then, but however if I chose to buy another Ode Gen 2 grinder with the SSP burrs pre-installed then of course I will have two grinders that can do two different styles of coffee without having to swap the burrs set back and worth as the grinder isn’t designed for users to do that unlike the Niche Duo which users can easily and effortlessly swap burrs between espresso or filter burrs. What do you think guys? Is it stupid to buy another grinder machine with SSP burrs in it or just buy the set and install it yourself? Thanks! If I do I get another Ode Gen 2 grinder, I will chose the white variant with SSP which symbolizes brighter and high clarity profiles as I already have the black variant Ode Gen 2 with the stock burrs that has the warmer and cloudy profiles.

[@braxtonjens7839]

Started on v1.1 and I learned to brew well on them. Then I got Gen2 and they are very tasty. Also they can work for spro for medium roasts. Not a big sweet spot but it works!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I had some great brews with the V1.1 too!

[@noorquttieneh]

Thanks for the reviews Aaron I have a df64 and I'm thinking of getting the ssp mp burrs for it in the next months, do you recommend it for the df64? P.s the video quality is amazing keep up the great work

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thank you!!! Yes the SSP MP are great burrs especially if you want that clarity! And yes as far as I know they work very well in the DF64, jut be sure to align them and season them 😜 🤘☕️

[@lukethoreson873]

Thanks for this vid!! Been hearing so much praise for the ode that I’m keen on one now too.. curious, have you tried it fine enough for your flair? I have a flair pro at home and wondering if this would work (I know fellow says no spro)

[@coffeenerdaaron]

You can do turbo style shots but the ode won’t get much finer than that with the gen 2 burrs which is what’s stock in them now. If you have upgraded burrs they will grind fine enough espresso if you have them calibrated too but the motor in the Ode is a little weak for espresso grinding, that’s why Fellow doesn’t recommend it 😜

[@lukethoreson873]

@@coffeenerdaaron thanks!! Have you compared filter brews on the ode vs df64? I’m keen on the ssp mp burrs. Wondering if it’s worthwhile to have a grinder that can do both or if the df64 sacrifices anything by offering more range

[@Crake71]

Have you had experience with an 804 Sweet? Would an Ode with SSP MP give me noticeably different pour-over coffee compared to same coffee from my 804 Sweet? I am seeking it as a different option, so I would not want it if it overlaps much. I assume since an 804 Sweet is driving middle notes and balanced cups, the SSP MP would give noticeably thinner and cleaner coffee, in which case it would be a compliment option for me. Thoughts?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I had SSP Casts in an Ode which are supposed to be comparable to the Lab Sweet and the MP has much more clarity and you are correct the body is thinner. I would say it’s a good compliment to the Sweet, a nice contrast.

[@PatrickDrinksCoffee]

What were your grind settings looking like with the Gen 2 Ode with SSP?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

It depends on a lot of factors, the roast level and density of the coffee, the dose amount, and the brewing method. But for a general 15gm dose pour over brewed in the V60 with a medium/light roast I’d say somewhere between 5-7. You just have to experiment and see what gets you the results your happy with 😝

[@justinsane43201]

​@@coffeenerdaaronloving the content and super helpful comparison. I just got my gen 2 (from baratza encore) and still dialing in my brews. For comparison, how many clicks off chirp were your setups? Thanks again

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for watching! I have my Ode with Gen 2 burrs setup where 1 is just off chirp and with the SSP you can do 4-5 clicks off chirp since you don’t want to grind that fine with an Ode. Those burrs will go fine enough for espresso where the Ode burrs will not.

[@justinsane43201]

@@coffeenerdaaron so for the ssp you are still in the 5-7 range while being 4-5 off chirp? I have the gen 2s in now with 1 being right off chirp and my cups are ashy on a 4,.so a bit disappointed but it's clearly user error. Thanks

[@coffeenerdaaron]

It may be the coffee, I’m typically in the 3-5 range for filter especially with the Orea V3 or other fast flowing brewers.

[@pithyginger6371]

Great video as usual! Based off the descriptions, I feel like Gen 2 and the HU is probably an interesting comparison. My gen 2 burrs are landing next month 😋

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks! I have not played with the HU very much… maybe I can get a set and do another comparison! 🤘☕️

[@fredbloggs6080]

If something is *based off* something it implies there is no connection. The correct phrase is *based on* . I am not the grammar police, just a grammar corrections officer.

[@cmm67341]

Hey, love the channel. First time commenting. I assume you calibrated your Ode to 5 turns off from clicking for the SSP MP burrs? If so, what is your ideal setting for pour over and light roast? I know it’s to taste, but people’s opinions seem to be all over the place.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for watching and for the comment! All my Ode are calibrated to just off chirp at setting 1. My brother in laws ode is the one with the SSP MP and his is also calibrated that way. Most of the time with his grinder we’re in the 6-8 range for single dose filter brews.

[@cmm67341]

@@coffeenerdaaron Is there any adverse effects to only having the SSP MP off by 1 click? I know that Fellow recommends 5.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@cmm67341 the only adverse thing would be you have a little less range in the courser grind settings so if you brew a lot of cold brew or French press maybe I’d set it up 4-5 clicks off chirp. Other than that I don’t think it makes much difference.

[@cmm67341]

@@coffeenerdaaron Thanks. I’ll recalibrate my Ode when I get it and try the 6-8 range. Thanks for the info.

[@cmm67341]

@@coffeenerdaaron Do you have a go to recipe for the Stagg brewer? I assume the settings you gave are for that brew type?

[@parkaros6980]

Yesss - was waiting for this video! Loved it! Helped clarify things a bunch. Also love the vibe and back and forth you have with your brother in law haha ! Question: how does the actual grind size compare for these in terms of consistency? The SSP are known to grind super fine .. did you think it produces a more consistent grind than Gen 2? Could you measure/notice a difference? Cheers !

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for watching and for the kind comment! They are very close in terms of consistency. Yes the SSP can grind finer but at a comparable grind size they seemed to match pretty closely. The grind size app we used is decent but not super scientifically accurate so it’s hard to say for sure, but based off of look, feel, and brew time I’d say they’re pretty darn close!

[@parkaros6980]

@@coffeenerdaaron awesome - good to know. Thank you once again and looking forward to more content 😊

[@merguezchaude2047]

Between gen 1 and 2 is there a big difference? I just bought fellow after my baratza encore. Thinking of instant upgrade on burr if its really a big upgrade.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

It’s a huge difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 burrs! I did a video about the Gen 2 and I compared them to the Gen 1 😊🤘☕️

[@reactionsok]

So ode 2 with ssp or df64 same burrs for pour overs?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

If you’re not going to do espresso I’d going with the Ode SSP combo, it’s way less messy than the DF64.

[@JT-zy2ft]

What grind setting were you using for ssp? Did you follow the ode instructions for calibrating the ssp?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

If I remember correctly we were on setting 5 with the SSP MP and they're setup just off chirp at setting 1. I think Fellow sets them up at 5 click off chirp which would be 2.2 on the dial so you'd need to add that to our setting to get close to the same grind size, it would be 7.2. But again thats if Fellow sets them up 5 clicks off chirp like I'm thinking.

[@JT-zy2ft]

@@coffeenerdaaron thanks for the info and you are correct about the 5 clicks. Seems a lot of people don’t abide by that and just do the 1 click so I always need to clarify when asking about ssp grind settings.

[@JT-zy2ft]

@@coffeenerdaaron thank you and yes you are correct they recommend 5 clicks from chirp. Explanation I got from fellow is it’s to prevent jamming when grinding on the finer range.

[@EckoGRY]

How are the SSP burrs calibrated for this test? 1 past chirp? Also, what setting is your grind here?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

SSP and Gen 2 are calibrated both just off chirp at setting 1, and we were at setting 5 on the Gen 2 and 4.2 on the SSP.

[@carsonpoltorack9177]

I just ordered and received my Ode Gen 2 with SSP burrs pre-installed - the grind distribution is visually much tighter than it was on my old Kinu Phoenix (which I've had since 2019) and while I'm still working through learning all the tricks of this new setup, I have made some cups of coffee with it that really outshined my best efforts with the Kinu. My question though is how to be sure that the correct SSP burrs were actually installed in this grinder? The box it was shipped in touts the 64mm Gen 2 burr set and I initially just assumed that there is only one shipping box, but it's been eating at me a little. Do I need to actually open up the grinder to check? Did anyone else who has ordered the Gen 2 with SSPs pre-installed also have theirs come in a box that is labeled with the 64mm burrs?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

That’s a great question, I think the only way to know for sure we be to open it up and take a look, or look down into the hopper where it enters the grind chamber with a flashlight and see if you see the gold of the SSP burrs.

[@carsonpoltorack9177]

@@coffeenerdaaron I opened it up and did see the gold SSP burr set! While I was in there I took the opportunity to zero the burrs as well. Interestingly they were not zero-ed when shipped, I didn't pay too close attention but it was around 3-5 clicks from zero - this isn't what I was expecting at all because I already was having difficulty with longer drawdowns than expected at their recommended grind size for filter, and now the recommended numeric setting represents an even finer grind than before after zeroing. All very interesting!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@carsonpoltorack9177 actually 3-5 clicks off chirp is where Fellows sets them. If you were already having long draw downs and needed to grind coarser then zeroing the burrs will make it be finer than it already was at every setting. I would haven’t left it where it was and just coarsened up your grind.

[@carsonpoltorack9177]

@@coffeenerdaaron Ah good to know! I figured there was some advantage to zeroing the burrs and I didn't think about what direction it would take my grind size until I had already closed it up. I ground at 9 this AM and that looked pretty good for filter haha

[@mindybaum9310]

Hi guys. Making a 54G light roast with 8 cup chemex i am up to almost 7 , 6.3 to be exact on my fellow gen2 WITH SSP Burrs. I know underneath the cap it says that that's pretty high and almost at cupping but Going a lot finer seems to be Pulling more at a 6 minute. With the newer machine and the a large amount of grams do you think being at a 7 or an 8 is extremely too high? what number do you think it would be best at without me losing coffee.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for the comment! My first question would be are you happy with the taste of the coffee? That is the most important vs what number your dial is at. The grind setting chart under the lid is not very accurate especially with the upgraded SSP burrs. I would not reference that as a guide to where you should be grinding. I’ve made some 15gm single cup brews ground at 8 on the SSP burrs in and Ode, so it really depends on a lot of factors, the dose amount, the roast level, the density of the coffee, the brewer, etc. I wouldn’t focus too much or worry about the grind setting, focus on the feedback you get from the cup, the taste is going to tell you everything that’s important. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions, and thanks for watching! 😊

[@mindybaum9310]

Big HUG thanks for answering ! Good advice & I do agree about the end game, "taste" but many times I know the coffee could taste better and am just trying to get the BEST out of the bean :)

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@mindybaum9310 totally understand that! I would just play around with it and experiment. For a larger dose a longer brew time isn’t necessarily a bad thing, so maybe for the coffee you’re using a 4-5 min brew time would be good. I would keep going finer a couple clicks each Brew until you start to Sean’s some bitterness then back it off a click or two and see how you like it! 😜🤘☕️

[@mindybaum9310]

@@coffeenerdaaron thanks

[@coffeenerdaaron]

No problem!

[@Telr11]

Nice Video Brother

[@KevinS-ji6en]

So if look at the cost easy win for the gen 2

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Pretty much… unless you absolutely have to have the ultimate clarity and delineation of the flavor notes then go with the SSP! But the Gen 2 will get you pretty close for less 🤑

[@montanausa329]

Can the average coffee drinker justify the price?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I guess it depends on you and your preferences. If by average you mean someone who buys bulk or commodity coffee at a grocery store (which there is nothing wrong with that if you like it) then I would say no. Upgrading things like grinders and burrs really starts to unlock and express a coffee flavor characteristics in a different or more interesting way, but if your not really drinking coffees with interesting flavor notes then it probably won’t make much difference. I don’t think it will make your coffee worse, I’m sure it will be better, but it’s not going to be a crazy improvement or impact your coffees taste like it will with a coffee that already has uniquely inherent flavor notes. I hope that makes sense! 😊

[@montanausa329]

@@coffeenerdaaron thanks by a average coffee drinker I never have done taste test or anything to look I do roast my own coffee so not a complete novice to know what to look for in flavors no experience in that. I have been drinking mainly expresso lately and have grinder just for grinding for that but an using a $80 cone grinder so I guess anything good would be a improvement

[@수수-n7j3v]

hi! im really happy with your video, every video that you uploded are really awesome thank you handsome guy! i really want to know there are any difference between gen 1 burr (not 2) and ssp cast burr!! can you explain more? if you know anything :)

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I'm not sure what exactly you are wanting to know but they are completely different burrs made by 2 different companies. The Gen 1 Ode burrs are the original burrs that Fellow designed for the Ode and the SSP Cast burrs are a copy of the Ditting Lab Sweet burrs.

[@수수-n7j3v]

@@coffeenerdaaron oh i know buy exactly i want to know how many differece any taste or body and flavor and anything else

[@DG1TAL]

They clearly smelled the berry.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

😂