Felony Stop Flop! 😳 Cowboy Cops Kill Immunity When They Point Guns at Mom & Daughter!

[@fatherinexile]

2023.07.21 U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Written Decision: cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2024/08/14/21-56237.pdf Father vs. the Fuzz: 2A Fight Heads to Federal Court! 💪🔥 kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHm3iKKkoLetq6c Dad Defeats DA!💥 No Immunity for Lying Prosecutors in Civil Rights Suit! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnXSioGqgNF5a5o Lose 2A Rights for Mean Emails!😳 Susan Bassi’s Emails That Disturb the Peace Are Domestic Violence! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnyyZ6SHnJKWaNE Father Gets $$$ From Corrupt El Dorado County, CA: kzbin.infoi21jCcpJF7w?si=YiLrHHqIxxJcXp2j False Arrest Body-Cam One! 😳 El Dorado County, CA Obtains Warrant by Fraud & NV AG Participates!:kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXuypZp5rM1phbc Kidnapper Judge Cindy Hendrickson Revokes Illegal Order 😳 (2023)! Admits Denying Me Due Process! kzbin.info/www/bejne/noPEiWOdbNeaiZo Ring Camera! Kidnapping Coppers Exposed! 😳 Admit I Reported Corruption But Refuse to Investigate! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX-4g2N9gZ6JpcU Father Exposes Santa Clara Superior Court Complaint Shredding Operation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2WtdJZqprRmZtE Another Interesting Case (lots more on my channel): Lawyer Cites Fake Cases! 😳 Parent's Civil Rights Appeal Thrown Out Due to Professional Misconduct! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5_Qoo2mhcyZoKc UNLIMITED IMMUNITY! 🙄 State Judges Are Supreme Beings! But You Can Win Declaratory Relief! 42USC1983 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHe9dHSaj8p8qdE Gangsta CPS Loses Immunity! 😳 Demands the Right to Lie to Violate Citizens & Kidnap Kids! kzbin.info/www/bejne/op27op-Bd8R0g6csi=q974eNTgxew4MKqE ----- I'm just trying to be a dad after my kids were abducted. Why I am the Father in Exile: How to Fight Corrupt Family Court (Expose it!) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pofKppeQqbOMn7M Voter Fraud and Abduction Admission Caught on Court TV in NV kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqploqGgKp5pZo Judicial Misconduct & Rights Violations Caught on Court TV - Santa Clara, CA Judge Roberta Hayashi kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJjSmGCEgauseZo Secret Judge Club Exposed 😳 at Corrupt California State Bar Meeting! (2023) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnm1hYSeZbyHj80 Santa Clara County California Superior Court Judges Who Deny Due Process and Participate in Misconduct and Felonies: Roberta Hayashi, Cindy Seeley Hendrickson, Brooke Blecher, Thomas Kuhnle. Transcripts and Filings Will be Released Publicly on this Channel.

[@georgeschnakenberg7808]

Father in exile? ❤😢

[@screaminlordbyron7767]

I cant open the pdf without giving permissions i dont want to give. Please post a summary on here.

[@evilsanta8585]

I love how the court always has to worry about not restricting the officers job in future cases but doesn’t keep in mind the American Citizens rights

[@fatherinexile]

And officers should be restricted from doing their “jobs” cause usually that entails making situations 100x worse.

[@reverendfry6088]

That's right. No duty to protect, only subjugate.

[@diegomontoya796]

Same people cant understand, "shall not". Very ambiguous.

[@colinofay7237]

The court should be worried about the OFFICER not restricting the citizens in future. The court is probably thinking about this because of unions protecting utter scummy officers "jobs", they have to do it even if the officer has done obviously illegal stuff, as they need to be concerned about any future cases that other officers may be involved with. Its very annoying to see lawyers argue obviously ridiculous points in such a confident way, as if they're totally correct and actually we are the silly ones for questioning it. Yet I'm sure when these lawyers go home, in private, they talk about how stupid it is and that theyre arguing ridiculous points. But it pays the bills right? At the expense of innocent citizens

[@goodolearkygal5746]

When you don't know the law, you go to jail When a cop doesn't know the law, you go to jail They don't have to protect you, serve you or even investigate a crime for you. I'm not sure why we have them anymore

[@leecrowdy5218]

the problem is a reasonable officer will sh**t an unarmed suspect handcuffed in his car bcoz an acorn fell near him. a reasonable officer is someone who is afraid of his own shadow and the invisible officer safety.

[@ygrittesnow1701]

The irony is no one else would have been able to use such a claim. Cops are allowed to use irrational fear as a justification. You, me and anyone else did this under the exact same circumstance, and the officer that did that would be happy to arrest us.

[@goodolearkygal5746]

​@@ygrittesnow1701 yeah, your self defense claim would be thrown out immediately if you tried this

[@fatherinexile]

@@ygrittesnow1701 And the DA is happy to prosecute us!

[@kerryedavis]

@@fatherinexile That's one of the biggest reasons why these cops, and DAs and judges too, need federal civil rights prosecution. The local cops, prosecutors, judges, etc, are all on the same side. The federal prosecutors don't care if local cops, prosecutors, judges etc, don't like them.

[@josephhodges9819]

No, a reasonable officer will not, You are mistaking a reasonable and an unreasonable officer.

[@mejorgy]

Abolish Qualified Immunity and then we won’t need frivolous litigation at the behest of corrupt police!

[@henryjackman3160]

That won't fix anything. NM ended qualified immunity in 2021. Each city indemnifies the police and NM passed a law to cap all claims at $2 million.

[@Esther-lm6pm]

Forget qualified immunity. Go after the unions they're the problem. They're the ones that file lawsuits and produce lawyers for the cops. They are the ones that don't allow city managers to fire cops. It goes on and on

[@jllemin4]

Abolishing qualified immunity is a bill in congress atm. It just needs to be passed

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

Eliminating QI does nothing but lower settlements for victims. And it will lead to some pretty serious anti slapp type legislation that makes it incredibly dangerous to sue anyone for anything. Which means, even if you have a good case, if you lose, you get punished harshly. Which is beneficial if you have the entire government on your side and someone is suing you. When you win because you had an unlimited budget, you don't even have to file against your accuser, the court does it for you.

[@ImprovmanZero]

It would actually bring policing back to the good old days because it would be focused on doing things right and not being an action movie

[@anarchytelevision8445]

If we the people do not have qualified immunity neither should any government employee or official

[@kingmasterlord]

"all men are created equal" qualified immunity is unconstitutional on its face

[@fatherinexile]

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[@thewatchman6074]

Qualified immunity is a license to abuse a citizens constitutional rights. The question is: Why does one section of society have special laws to protect their actions, over the rest of society? The tax payer does not pay for "officer safety" they pay police for public safety.

[@michaeltelson9798]

And why I’d found guilty of denying the rights of a citizen they get a lesser penalty than a citizen in the same or similar circumstances. They (law enforcement) should get a higher punishment based on the higher amount of protection and authority they have.

[@BomageMinimart]

You realize that police in America are under no obligation to help anyone or prevent harm from coming to anyone, right? Don't believe me? Google "police duty to protect" and read for yourself. If you aren't in their custody, police have no duty to protect anyone. And if you are in their custody, well...

[@thewatchman6074]

@@BomageMinimart Are they also under no obligation to abuse citizens?

[@patt4537]

Their investigation is to pull weapons and wait for the target to make a false move.

[@fatherinexile]

😂 so sad and infuriating but your comment is so true it made me LOL!

[@kalilg2242]

100% lol smh

[@paul-u2y9y]

and the full extent of their "investigative " skills are " Do you have i.d. "? after that they're stumped!

[@fatherinexile]

@@paul-u2y9y 😂😂😂

[@ricken21]

Their whole 'investigation' can be summed up in just 3 words: 'escalate, escalate, escalate'.

[@MichaelFBalek]

A “reasonable officer” is a myth. Like unicorns and fairies.

[@fatherinexile]

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[@nathanpartridge3565]

"No true Scot".

[@wintonlee2169]

Did the police ever think that the car manufacturer maybe made more than one car that looked like the stolen car? According to the police, they have the right to do a felony stop on all cars that look like the car that was stolen.

[@NicholasAlt]

That is not PARTICULARIZED (to the individual) suspicion, it is a generalized suspicion. They need more particulars than ‘red Honda accord’ to pull it over.

[@BomageMinimart]

@@NicholasAlt No; they don't.

[@petertimmins6657]

Policy is NOT the same as law! Quite often policy is contrary to law.

[@stevenhiggins3331]

Policies are not law. They don’t have the force of law and if you don’t follow their policy, you’re still not breaking the law.

[@rhondamccardle16]

Tinted windows should never be a reason to remove free Americans from a car and handcuff them and search cars and make suspects lie on the street handcuffed. They waste our taxes and they sold never have qualified immunity for any reason. They should be strongly held accountable for every choice they make

[@user-sl4ul4nc3t]

I woukdnt say always, but I do get the risk tinted windows pose. And pretending they dont is just dishonest. On the other hand Americans should be free to tint their car windows and have privacy. Pulling a car over with tinted windows and asking the occupants to exit seems reasonable. Its what happens after that, that seems to cross the line.

[@blakeb9964]

​@@user-sl4ul4nc3tthe problem is, pigs abuse every authority they're given. So their authority SHOULD be severely limited. Should be.

[@keithharris2694]

Guilty until proven innocent

[@Esther-lm6pm]

ALWAYS!!! Unless you're a cop. Then, you are innocent and they find you innocent even though you broke the law.

[@lynnf7542]

Cops training 😂 Takes more brains and schooling to be a hairdresser or barber and we don't hand them guns and badges!

[@ED4action]

maybe we should make them swap jobs.. let the barbers pull everyone over and give them a hair cut, and the cops can circle jerk and sweep the floor all day at the barber shop ?

[@ygrittesnow1701]

Or excessive protections for errors.

[@evilsanta8585]

Did the prosecutor say the tint was illegal with no proof 😂

[@fatherinexile]

Apparently!

[@fatherinexile]

@@MDbandit10 The tint has nothing to do with the stop. The tint was the excuse for pulling out their guns, because they couldn't see inside the car. The reason for the stop was they thought it was a stolen car.

[@heyskra]

Qualified immunity should go away. That being said, the phrase "clearly established" has been used to such a specificity there is always going to be a way out for the cop. For example, it wasn't 4:30 a.m. and the suspect wasn't wearing white, so the previous crime isn't clearly established. Makes no common sense.

[@Krakaet]

And it wasnt after labor day! And he didn't have his top button of his shirt unbuttoned! Yea it's ad absurdum to the point where common sense is thrown out the window by the court. As if every one of the millions of possible scenarios where rights can be violated must be reproduced first before you can abolish qualified immunity.

[@heyskra]

@@Krakaet RIGHT!!!!

[@Charlie-Saringo]

FYI , cops and common sense should never be in the same sentence, your welcome 😁

[@blakeb9964]

It's a joke. Just a made up theory to protect cops.

[@stevent5571]

I love how a person has their life ruined by bad cops and the lawyers get a small amount of time to argue. 20 minutes to safe a life

[@Rashnak66]

this is an appeal- the actual trial took much longer.

[@misurefiney1]

Citizens don't have Qualified Immunity. Why do police? We all follow the same laws don't we?

[@bigbubba4314]

Is that a serious question? Unfortunately, the law cannot contemplate every situation. Nor can police officer training. So there are always grey areas. We ask police officers and other civil officials to operate in these grey areas. They must be protected from in some way from being sued from simply doing their job. For example, every person who gets handcuffed has the right to sue for excessive force. No matter how tight the cuffs are, they can be sued. Somehow, the officer should be protected. If not qualified immunity, (which I agree can be abused) , please suggest an alternative.

[@ygrittesnow1701]

@@bigbubba4314 The problem seems to stem from the impossible hurdle that SCOTUS attached to the creation of QI(Contrary to legislative law I might add). Some incredibly egregious acts have been committed by law enforcement. And they have been granted QI because no existing case was there to tell them they couldn't. If there are zero cases that exist then there is no case could ever exist. To me anyway, what this says is that cops can't do their jobs unless they are allowed to break the law.

[@bigbubba4314]

@ as mentioned, I’m not a fan of qualified immunity. But I recognize the grey area that many civil servants must operate in. Where things aren’t “grey area” QI should not exist. Figuring out the edges of the grey area is also a challenge.

[@ygrittesnow1701]

@@bigbubba4314 Unfortunately we've come to see that when given an inch cops or government in general will steal a mile. Leading to another cliche, "It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone." Haven't we seen QI abused to the point that society is sick of the flagrant violations of our rights?

[@EyemBobbyMom]

@@bigbubba4314In California it takes 2 years of training to become a hairdresser, but only 6 months for an officer. I mean, I understand that you shouldn’t run with scissors, but guns and high speed vehicle chases and qualified immunity are a lot more dangerous. By a landslide. So we don’t need QI for undertrained agents of the state. We need fair and efficient academy time combined with officers who aren’t willing to act as a cowboy would rather then an experienced and knowledgeable person would.

[@wcisean]

Looking like 3 actors for the state protecting the other state actors,to me !

[@zacharydavis7184]

Disagree. When I was a 3L(3rd year student) in law school, we had the opportunity to argue a case in front of a panel of the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. Circuit Court judges are almost always contradictory in their question of both parties in every case. Their job is to try and poke as many holes in arguments to get as full of an argument as possible. You can usually tell how judges are leaning not by the questions they ask, but how specific their questions are. The more detailed and nuanced their questions are towards a party, the more likely they are leaning towards siding with that party.

[@Mjones4949]

14 cops and a helicopter. Must be nice to have a blank check with no accountability.

[@fatherinexile]

It really must be nice!

[@lostmysoul1595]

I never knew qualified immunity protected officers fishing for a crime

[@atlantik770]

End qualified immunity and hold these tyrants personally accountable! Your Gest@po Gang Member in blue are out of control!

[@MikeS-y1l]

The fact that cops are allowed to make this level of a mistake and just walk away is beyond me. The fact is these people were innocent, innocent people are free.

[@ralfcebrian8905]

Qualified Immunity should be abolished and officers should be held accountable and not just the tax payer!

[@johnvanriper3363]

Qualified immunity most needs to be taken from CONGRESS

[@rhondamccardle16]

If no Report of a stolen car is made then the cops have no right to assume a car is stolen and they can just arrest or detain forcibly anyone. Period!!!!!

[@ContraNovae]

Sounds like you have had a little too much to think, Citizen! 😂

[@stephanbranczyk8306]

Then by your logic, as soon as a car thief slaps a fake license plate or a stolen license plate on a stolen car, the cops would not be allowed to detain the car thief while they investigate the license plate mismatch issue. Am I understanding your point correctly? Edit: And just to be clear, i agree with the initial lawyer. In this case, the cops went too far and they should have their qualified immunity revoked. Im just disagreeing with your statement.

[@rons9946]

they make up charges because they hate to be wrong

[@lostmysoul1595]

Watch crazy that the lawyer is saying that if officers are scared they're able to use excessive force

[@foxbodyblues6709]

As if cops shouldn’t have to ever be in dangerous situations…thank god firefighters aren’t such scared pvssys

[@DocScrolls]

I guess she has to make these stupid arguments as a vigorous defense… it’s just so stupid and indefensible that any argument would sound this dumb.

[@terrymax5340]

People need to have the tools to protect themselves from death threats from police. , don't the people have rights .

[@Finn-McCool]

Police POV: Our policy, written by our command staff, gives us carte blanche to do a felony stop even though we know nothing about the fine folks in the vehicle. We aren't concerned about their possible innocence, only with their probable guilt! Because we are trained that EVERYONE breaks the law and WE are the strong arm of enFORCEment. We are told that we are Superman once we put on this uniform. Our POLICy is the actual instrument that we swear the oath toward. Not some pesky restrictive fairly balanced instrument of justice called The Constitution. That was simply pomp and circumstance for public consumption in order to appear to have integrity. If we THINK you MAY have POSSIBLY stolen a vehicle, you are GOING TO eat cinders and taste a mouth full of road rash. And THAT is the totality of the circumstance. Policy dictates. Citizen lawyer POV: They cannot do that and here is strong, compelling, legal reasoning as to why, and for the past 3 decades or so they've known. The policy they follow only proves the point that it is a standard of practice to violate the rights of Innocents. Because 13 officers and a helicopter might not be able to catch a fleeing lady in the twilight. And oh yes, tint. The totally of tint. Eat sidewalk for 3 minutes, your LIMOUSINE windows are tinted.

[@fatherinexile]

Great summary!

[@chuckthompson5724]

Cowardice and unreasonable emotional fear is not a reason to violate citizen rights.

[@akzoc]

I think decreased public respect for police may be shaping law. It might be in the best interests of police, prosecutors, and judges to enforce tighter standards among their colleagues. However, I don't think the police and prosecutors are capable of improving their standards. The Judicial Branch may be able to reform, but this seems to be due to ability to appeal precedent setting cases into Federal venue. Having thousands of little po-dunk police departments, with little or no understanding of laws, seems ridiculous to me.

[@I_Am_Your_Problem]

No... Society is responding to legislation from the bench. And no... State appeals do not turn into federal venues.

[@kerryedavis]

That's one of the biggest reasons why these cops, and DAs and judges too, need federal civil rights prosecution. The local cops, prosecutors, judges, etc, are all on the same side. The federal prosecutors don't care if local cops, prosecutors, judges etc, don't like them.

[@gulli72]

Nobody would have a problem with qualified immunity, if the immunity was, in fact, qualified.

[@carlsanders7824]

Imagine an army where the soldiers fire anytime they hear a sound or feel scared. This is supposedly why you are trained as an officer---to mitigate your fear.

[@phineas7785]

The case he spoke about had COMMON sense behind it. The Citizens should not be treated as a POW. TRUST

[@fatherinexile]

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[@rlywtfdude]

Karma is gonna catch up to that Karen that immediately started looking for an out with "ordinary circumstances"

[@fatherinexile]

😂 … good point. But i need to go back and see what she contributed to the written decision. Often the judges as silly questions to prove a point. And they do it with a straight face amazingly

[@davidgrossman7965]

The mental gymnastics required to take these cases seriously are mind numbing. The courts would laugh any of these arguments right out of court, if this wasn't a qa case. These arguments are just junk.

[@RFMeloneer1989]

The possibility of fear. Lady judge nailed it.

[@paulwolf8444]

Stolen vs. carjacking is two different crimes.

[@michaelarregoitia2207]

To the judges in this case. Healthcare CEO, wink wink. And did the judge on the right eat the rest of the judges

[@rockymntnliberty]

It really takes a special kind of worm to represent criminals with badges.

[@Aurochs330]

More like qualified impunity

[@apigsdaughter]

QUALIFIED IMMUNITY ARGUMENT: The higher courts have ruled that it is the responsibility of the citizen to know their rights and local codes… Merrick v. United States (1952) Because a LEO must be a citizen in order to gain employment as a LEO, as a citizen, they, too, are responsible for knowing their rights and the local codes. Because it is presumed that all citizen, including LEOs, know their rights and local codes, their can be no claim of ignorance of the law; therefore, a LEO cannot qualify for any amount of immunity, as ignorance is not a defense. "Ignorantia juris non excusat" (ignorance of the law excuses not)

[@rockhunterjens7884]

Very similar circumstances happened to my daughter when she wrecked her car in a violent snow storm. She slid into a truck as well as the road guards on the side of the freeway. It was after midnight and she had just gotten off shift and was going home. The cops got there, pulled their guns on her and demanded she lay on the road in the slush and snow. She was handcuffed and allowed to then sit in the snow. The cops held her at gun point the whole time. The man and woman in the truck were absolutely shocked at their treatment. They said they were investigating a stolen car that LOOKED NOTHING LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S CAR. At this point she was hysterical. They didn't call an ambulance to help her. They just kept her there in the super cold and wet, cuffed, guns pointing at her. The KNEW what they were doing violated her 4th Amendment rights and a lot of other things as well. The people in the truck were super angry at the cops. Cops threw every possible ticked they could at her. When it went to court, the prosecutor was very, VERY HUMBLE. He apologized and dropped all but driving too fast for circumstances. Basically he was begging her to disregard their blatant abuse of her rights. She had quite a few witnesses that would testify against them as well. Case dismissed.

[@williamclayton9566]

How did you get away with unaliving the cops that did that to YOUR LITTLE GIRL? That's what you did, right?

[@hectorbart]

The suspicion that the police had was not reasonable for that stop.

[@MDbandit10]

stop was tinted windows, that's enough for a stop

[@HuntingtonTownshipWatch]

These cases are difficult to view the videos and more so when reading the decisions that give more details as to the event when a minor child is involved. It is so traumatizing for innocent people. End qualified immunity.

[@p.s.vanderpool6770]

Scary part is that this had to goto a higher court !! And just knowing that these activists judges in the lower courts are either uneducated or thirst for your conviction.

[@breadfan1071]

Jury nullification is the only thing a jury needs to know but they never do.

[@nicclark9791]

Directed at the defense, what ever happened to "possession is 9/10th of the law" Aiming guns at people without a direct threat is a threat to the directtees lives and only having a hunch the car was stolen, was the real car stolen in a ARMED CAR JACKING??? There are so many cars out there anything can go wrong with things, so you have to measure how the car was maybe stolen. Thats bs about to say they never encountered this before because I have seen with my own two eyes many times where cops have jacked up the car looking under neath and nobody was held at gun point in cuffs on there face held down..And all this was done without a warrant or probable cause.To make all suspected stolen car stops a felony stop is unreasonable just in the wording itself "SUSPECTED". Any one can suspect anything but does that give the right too surround people with guns aimed at them, It should NEVER be allowed in a FREE country. Its all lies on the cops, they new this was two woman and was an easy stop to make it a full fledged low risk TRAINING STOP to the cops lives at least.

[@errdale]

This was fascinating, thanks for posting. I was so impressed by the specific questions asked by the judges which compared and contrasted the situation to the case law being referenced by the attorneys. Nice to see the system working as designed!

[@fatherinexile]

I’m happy you enjoyed it. Your welcome! I have lots of these on this channel. I posted them so everyone can learn.

[@Thebackson]

When do the police not follow this process for a stolen vehicle? The answer is never, they always escalate it to the fullest extent in every stolen vehicle stop. So if they do it on every single stop which fairy tale world do they live in where they follow the law and not escalate the situation.

[@the_lost_navigator]

"All Animals are equal. Some more than others." - that Attitude (backed by your present Laws) will be the downfall of the Fourth Reich.

[@paul-u2y9y]

ask the judge "and what happens your honor if people refuse to lay on the hot asphalt or the filthy ground "?

[@ricladouceur6202]

Seriously now a judge actually believes factory installed tint is grounds for police to hold you at gunpoint. In my mind this is police having a bunch of hunches and not even reasonable suspicion!

[@irvy78]

These lawyers are getting proven to be absolutely dishonourable, scummy pos. Would she fight this same argument for her son ? Or kin ?

[@swishyfeet]

That's how our legal system works. It's literally her job. She is expected to defend her client to the best of her ability; not simply agree with the prosecution.

[@TAC817]

The officers are not properly 'trained' and 'experience' shows the opposite of argument whereby cultural norms by police state are a menace to community. It's past time judges stop the bias support for the badge and recognize they are ordinary men in uniform. In fact, the 'Council on Criminal Justice Task Force on Policing' called for "complete overhaul of U.S. police training and national standards". The task force found "most police training in the United States is misfocused, too short, uses ineffective teaching methods, and is out of alignment with both community safety priorities and research about what works to minimize bias and use of force." The task force concluded. “Police departments need policies and standards that hold officers accountable - and leaders committed to changing the internal culture of their departments.” Further fueling the systemic dysfunction are bad prosecutors who become biased judges. So many in fact, the vast majority of judges have prosecutorial backgrounds who duplicitously pursued malicious prosecutions. The idea that judges, like all humans, can show biases because of prior life experiences is now well-established in research (Harris & Sen, 2019; Wistrich & Rachlinski, 2017).The vast majority of judges come from prosecutorial backgrounds where "commonly exhibited biases that stem from and are shaped by one's background, experiences, and attitudes (Dror, 2018, 2020; Dror et al., 2021). "Drawing from prior models on sources of biases in legal decision-making and existing literature on judges, [research] presents a theoretical model of psychological and social sources of pro-prosecution bias in judges with prosecutorial backgrounds." For judges who have previous prosecutorial backgrounds, literature suggests that particular aspects of prosecutorial attitudes and training might lead to a prosecutorial mindset that can later lead to biases that influence their approaches as judges on the bench. Psychological literature has considered more general attitudes about norm violations as key to understanding a “prosecutorial model” of thinking about detecting and punishing offending behaviour (Goldberg et al., 1999).

[@Will-nl6il]

Legal word salad. Officers act without integrity nor complex thinking ability. Over power and figure it out later.

[@CPIcivrights]

The bottom line here is that officers these days act more like they're controlling enemy combatants in a hostile war zone. This is precisely why innocent people are dying every day in our beautiful free country. Poor and inappropriate training for law enforcement in general.

[@stangss1]

2 of those judges are just women so we can assume that they wont be able to fully understand the issue.

[@EyemBobbyMom]

But one of the women is a Gungan king. So we might be ok. I’ve heard that she may also be trying out for the chargers offensive line, so there’s that.

[@Heracles_FE]

What a dingbat the government's lawyer is. She ignored the extraordinary risk to oficer safty standard completely as if 13 officers could not detain 3 females without handcuffs, upright, while they cleared a car or conducted an investigation.

[@marclandreville6367]

According to the District Court (and LA PD), the person inside a stolen car is always armed. Do they think that it is impossible to be able to steal a car without having a handgun in one's possession, even if there is no occupant inside the car? Americans have this cultural attachment to their cars, but police actions are ridiculous.

[@nicclark9791]

I guarantee if this had been the judges or there loved ones in the car there opinions would agree with the plaintiff, for the cops it was a dog and pony show, really they weren't 100% sure the car was stolen, what is the problem of making sure, too lazy to really check or just training on innocent people that we know they do.

[@stephanreiken9912]

'DMV error' is not a valid excuse and should not be considered a valid excuse. The police should have the burden of being competent.

[@electricpaper269]

Sounds like there was probable cause anyway for the stop, based on the DMV error, so a guns drawn felony stop was not unconstitutional. If it was only reasonable suspicion then it would be.

[@hesuschrist9527]

When I was around 9 years old my mom and I stopped at gun point by unmarked car and in plain clothes. I was made to lay on the hot asphalt while they ruffed my mom up and searched the car. Then they made my mom and me follow them to the police station where they fingerprinted my mom then let us go. They said someone with the same name as my mom was writing bad checks that was their excuse. My mom should of sue them. I think she was just happy we were alive

[@2olvets443]

Judge on the right is for the cops. They should have known for sure the car was stolen and that they had the right car before they ever did a stop!

[@koshykuruvilla]

Judges seem reluctant to reign in Police , poor Caliber

[@cliffthatcher4574]

They keep saying "a reasonable officer" like there are actually reasonable officers out there.

[@normancompton3014]

What about a Van with no windows? This judge’s logic is way flawed! Looking for a way to take our money!

[@francisbacon2401]

Pointing a gun at some is attempted murder in firearms training.

[@paulmonin5215]

Any cop who has a lawsuit against him and looses should be fired and barred from any future law enforcement! Common sense?

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

It's _possible_ that there could be a hostage inside that purportedly stolen vehicle. So our department policy is to act first and question later. Think of the potential lives we might save, not the one we're taking.

[@spamhunter100]

These should be weekly news segments on every network to educate Americans. But We get, Judge Judy.

[@wcisean]

Was that even a court procedure, looking like the state protecting the state! What a joke!

[@AuditingWithSmiley]

Thanks for sharing.

[@fatherinexile]

You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@jessicasaenzavila1415]

CANT BELIEVE THEY WERE BLAMING OTHERS 4 THEIR INCOMPETENCE

[@Fluffi_Bunni]

cops have never encountered things like this before but I've seen several videos where the cops say the plate isn't coming back to this car. So how does that happen?

[@williamlewis7846]

This procedure just encourages officers to do as they please and the court will have their backs.

[@snakefinger]

26:47 they have to know ? THEY KNEW ONCE THEY TOOK THE JOB THIS WORK IS DANGEROUS ! DO THEY HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS ? THEY ARE BEGGING FOR AI TO TAKE OVER THEIR JOBS %100. IF YOU’RE GONNA PISS AND MOAN ABOUT OFFICER SAFETY AT EVERY TURN WE’RE THROUGH WITH YOUR STUPID FEELING ! SEND IN A ROBOT WHICH ARE A STEP UP AS FAR AS PERSONALITY COMPARED TO ANY PIGS.

[@OOspazOO]

my ai police women gf is going to be awesome!

[@justinknighton-po4vn]

Their job is only remotely dangerous, and that because of the car wreaks, that they cause, and stick the other driver with all responsibility on fixing their vehicle

[@camndino]

It would be less expensive to train police in the actual laws instead of paying for their lawsuits.

[@josephhodges9819]

The problem is that whether one believes it or not Juries are made up of ignorant people. I do not mean that they are ignorant of everything they do, but that they are ignorant of the laws. They are told "This is the law" and they are going on emotions, not law. They want to trust cops so if something sounds good, they will go with it regardless of whether it is correct. I hate to say it but lawyers in a way are grifters. Most of the time juries are made up of half the people not having an excuse to get off the jury so they are angry and want to get it over with quickly.

[@USMC6976]

The information the jury received made it sound like the policy was the law. If, one government agency (DMV here) can create a false record and that relieves a police officer from being held accountable, we have no rights.

[@WillW91]

It always amazes me how far judges will go to make a cops action reasonable, when the cops should have a better understanding of laws than the average citizen. Ignorance of the law isn’t a defense for all of us, but it the shield that enables cops to openly violate our rights.

[@jessicasaenzavila1415]

# HUMAN BEINGS RIGHTS ARE NUMBER ONE...FAMILIES ARE NUMBER ONE

[@wendyford2252]

That judge asking all those questions that weren’t about what the case was about wasted all the time of the lawyer. He was trying to make a point and she was hung up on something else. The point he was making was how they treated the women, innocent until proven guilty should be the standard

[@bubbalove2261]

That’s Right There’s A TIME LIMIT When It Comes To Your FREEDOM! 🎉 Land of the Free or is it FEE ☠️

[@MDbandit10]

where's video of this stop?

[@adeptusmagi]

jury instructions should be about laws ! jury instructions on policy's that may or maynot in themselves be in contravention of constitutional rights are dubious to say the least ! How many times have we heard cops say " its our policy to ID everyone we talk to" despite the fact this is not actually a legal demand for ID ?

[@SeanHrehor]

All this is a waste of time they'll never held accountable the city taxpayers pay for the stupid decisions that officers make nothing comes out of their pockets or their pensions

[@johnwatson8004]

What area where they searching 5 states,, and I would bet the report of a stolen car wasn't recorded, and made after the arrest!

[@justinmiller5660]

[ wish just one lawyer would ask a judge to point out the "officer safety" exception to the constitution. i don't recall ever seeing anything in the constitution that say these right are absolute unless a government agent fears for their safety, then all your right go away.

[@averylawton5802]

No officer is reasonable as that is not the nature of the job. It is absurd to even argue that as every response they would have naturally is unreasonable to anyone OTHER than an officer.

[@paulmonin5215]

Most cops run on pure ego and absolutely no law!

[@kapdolkim1914]

Imagine of someone pulls into your driveway with tinted window. Do you pull your gun? If left up to the officers, they will always pull a gun and cuff people. And some of these interactions result in them shooting some innocent person - or some person who had a bad / day / week / mental illness. So we go from getting pulled over for being black to getting pulled over for driving a black suburban.

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

Why not just pull it over and ASK for the registration and NOT while at the barrel of the gun?

[@dennismood7476]

This is a case of police being taught that they are hammers and therefore EVERYTHING they see is a nail

[@p.elcott2715]

The ‘pick me’ judge on the right is definitely doesn’t give a damn about these ladies rights.

[@donjohnswaggert]

If she was a pygmy, she would be based and she would be letting this appellate lawyer do his thing instead of interfering with these stupid questions that really anybody in the comment section could refute

[@chrisstewart3768]

These cops are evil. They’re ALL out of control.

[@jessicasaenzavila1415]

MANDATED REPORTERS BETTER BE DOING THEIR JOBS