Fentanyl Addicted Father and Son-Scott and Joe

Soft White Underbelly interview and portrait of Scott and Joe, a father and son who are addicted to fentanyl in Kensington, Philadelphia.
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[@courtneyzavalick8109]

I’ve never received great news like this in my life. As horrible and sad this is, it gives me some type of comfort. This is my father and my brother. Recently losing my mother was the hardest thing I have ever gone through and I’ve been looking for them for a really long time and now seeing this video is conformation that they are alive and that is the best news I’ve ever gotten. I’m not sure if anyone could help me contact them or find them to speak to them but all and any help will be helpful. They were amazing men in their sobriety and I just wish that I could help them with getting back to it one day.

[@Idk-nc7kj]

I hope you find them, and I am sorry about your mother

[@bobbiebabb9305]

Pray for them.apply the Blood of Jesus over your family and stand firm in faith,giving God free range to do his will in their lives,to provide for them and protect them and to bring yall together,in Jesus name 🙏

[@p2o8wer]

I’m happy you got some kind of confirmation they are ok!! Kensington swallows people and you can never find them. I don’t know what it is. My ex has/had a sister out there. All she wanted to know was if she was ok. Can’t sleep at night scared nightmares. Just a simple phone call from her sister and I could see the stress leave her body immediately. We fought so hard to pull her out and she just wasn’t ready. We were ready to do everything for her to get her clean and out of the there but no hope. Hopefully she pulled through and made it off the street.

[@reginahodgkins5762]

IM sorry about your mom. Last I saw her, she was doing well and at a meeting under the L. I knew your dad and brother from the trailer park . Sad to see this but glad they are still ok.

[@banksybum317]

@@bobbiebabb9305 Jesus Christ god damn it why you gotta go all cuckoo

[@charissekauhn3130]

Dad (Scott) I hope you watch this and see how lost and sad your son Joe looks. If you can find it in you, muster up the strength to put a foot forward and lead the way into recovery and I believe your son would follow. It's worth a try isn't it? I would love to see the two of you in a follow up video a few months from now showing how the two of yall got clean together. I'm a 48 year old exaddict so I have some room to talk. Its harder when you're older because you wonder how you're gonna start all over again, but you can do it. I have no financial advantages and no formal education but I am living a blessed life without drugs and happier than I've ever been. Please give yourself and your son a chance at a better life and take whatever help comes your way to get off drugs. Prayers from Alabama.

[@cornflakegirl1718]

PROUD of you, God bless you!

[@hnybee113]

Thank you for sharing.

[@CATNAPREAL1188]

Good advice. Let's pray he reads and follows the directions to the straight and narrow path that lead's to the fullest, best lived LIFE ! Prayers and Blessings.

[@tammymakin2492]

Great advisor

[@catherinethorpe4717]

I was shocked how he had no sence of responsibility reguarding his Sons addiction, acts like his Sons friend, not father. Hope he realises that his Son needs a leader not a friend.

[@jetmechgirl9022]

His son looks so embarrassed. The sadness in his eyes is overwhelming. Please know that you matter, and you are more than you think you are. Blessings to you both.

[@grubsludwig]

i know both of these men. my dad was close friends with scott growing up and I have a lot of great memories of scott and his family from when i was a kid. it's genuinely heartbreaking to see them in this state now and i can't believe this is something i have to type. i truly hope you both recover and so does my dad. love you guys

[@foodvixxen3292]

To see someone who is still so proud of his children despite their short comings is amazing. He sounds like a really caring person despite the drugs

[@Skrillon]

Most of us who got fucked off on drugs, are good caring people... Despite the terrible things we often end up doing to support our habits. Opiates especially once hooked, it is a survival instinct to support your habit. Your brain literally enters that mode. You always hear addicts complaining about being dope sick, but most of the time you don't hear about the mental side of being dopesick, which is extreme anxiety and panic. Speaking from my own experiences, I've done just about everything besides sell my body or kill someone to support my habit when I had one. It posseses you entirely.... Sigh I could go on forever... But it's so bittersweet seeing this. My parents and I used to use together.... Completely dismantled my family. My mother died somewhat over five years ago. Drugs weren't the immediate cause, yet they were a huge contributing factor. Their best shot is getting off dope.... But that's literally one of the hardest things ever. I wish you both the best on your journeys. Godspeed!

[@Catalinaobregon]

So proud of his children he shares his addiction with? This is not parental. Talk is cheap. His child needs help. Now. This is nuts.

[@tdog1983-v6c]

Wrong. He’s the reason his son is the piece a sht he is. He wasn’t a father and had no standard and his son probably never had a chance but is a piece a sht himself

[@GM-jv9jz]

@@Catalinaobregon Exactly.

[@rainedelaze708]

@@Catalinaobregon I agree.

[@AngieB123]

This is exactly how I felt when I was using. It all became to much. It wasn’t “fun” anymore. It was just to make it through the day..the every 2 hrs of needing more sounds so familiar. Just celebrated 4 year clean in Dec..can’t believe 5 years is right around the corner. I hope I hope they find their way b4 it’s to late.

[@pambeforethestorm9784]

So very proud and happy for you!! I pray you succeed on your sober journey but I'm sure you've already found life being sober is so clear and so much better!! I hope these two find what you have found.....sobriety and peace. Much love and respect to you ❤

[@spider161]

Would you say that it actually helped you kick the addiction then?

[@AngieB123]

@@spider161 no it wasn’t what woke me up, what did it for me was listening to the song “how could you leave us” and struggling with hoping I wouldn’t be a statistic, woke up on the morning of Dec 27th with all I needed in my hand to take and for some reason I just couldn’t. I knew if I took them I’d be feeling “normal” in no time, but I heard in my own voice “Not today” and for the first time ever I went with it…after having almost 2 weeks I flushed them, and I haven’t looked back, this was after 24 years of daily addiction, trying to quit when I wasn’t ready, trying to get clean for everyone else, this time it was MY CHOICE, I kept it a secret I was clean for 3 months and then I came out to tell everyone else, here I am today with 1669 days clean today, after my moms passing I was tested but I didn’t let myself give in and knowing how proud she was of me, makes staying clean so worth it. I’ve never went to rehab either, I did it all on my own and I’m beyond proud of myself and learning to love myself genuinely for the first time ever. Feels amazing to be where I am, still have a long ways to go but I’m far from being where I was. Sorry for the long message. 😂 but that’s how it happened. Lol

[@AngieB123]

@@pambeforethestorm9784 thank you so much! 🌸

[@spider161]

@@AngieB123 Don't be sorry, I'm happy for you.

[@khalilahd.]

It’s truly sad to see what genetics and tragedy has done to this pair. You can tell his father is really loving but was raised in substance abuse and with Joeys mom passing while he was so young he could only learn from his father. Truly sad to see but I do wish them the best and hope things change for them 🙏🏽💛

[@itskeagan3004]

You know what? I don’t think his father knows how to love. My father didn’t show me love, love is a “weak emotion” to many men. I had to break that thought process and it was HARD after 32 years.

[@terryburnett797]

We are all a product of our own society.

[@icecream_andcookies]

@@itskeagan3004 really? I find that he seems very loving. Maybe not in a traditional way but he talks very fondly of others, of his kids and mothers of his kids. He talks about his childhood playing sports with his dad and the great memories he has playing with his kids. The way he speaks is with care and admiration, I think he is a very loving guy. It did strike me though when Mark asks about what it's like to do drugs with your father/son and he speaks first, and immediately talks about how his son is who he leans on. It does seem that because of his own struggles, his kiddo has turned into his support system instead of him supporting his son. I do think the lessons a father usually teaches and their roles have gotten lost through their addiction and pains. Sending these fellas strength ❤️

[@AV-sq3jb]

Mark I been watching your videos for over a year great respect for you love from Holland

[@itskeagan3004]

@@icecream_andcookies he’s “seems very loving” and showing action are two hugely misconceived things imo. I try not to hold resentment toward my father, his father didn’t know how to show him true love. I’ve learned how to love, am still learning I should say. That required surrender of my ego and many years of “looking in the mirror”. I’m not saying this is a bad man, I’m saying he doesn’t love himself, he THINKS he loves his son to full potential, it’s not even close. I’m 1,000% a better father off drugs and I’m just 21 months sober. I hope someone sober from their family sees this video, someone who can love them enough until they love themselves. His father might then realize how to truly tap into love, once his brain is off those drugs and he starts to heal himself.

[@Andy_Z]

To come on KZbin one day, and stumble upon a video of your uncle (and godfather) and cousin, after years of not seeing them, or even knowing if they were alive, is certainly eye opening. My heart breaks especially for my father, who has to watch his last living family member (both parents & his sister have passed, as Scott mentions), Scott, go through this.

[@MEL2theJ]

I'm so sorry. A nightmare of a thought to see your loved ones in this condition. Prayers for your heart and your daddy's heart

[@lisafrederick8870]

Wow, sorry u had to see them in this situation

[@Eemoneybags]

This father and son together seem so humble and very honest people that ended up using drugs. I really think they will find their way out and up doing well in life. I wish the best for them

[@lisarodriguez6966]

It's incredibly hard for two to kick it let alone just one, but I really hope you're right.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@lisarodriguez6966 They can do it, with the right supports. There is not enough help.

[@lisarodriguez6966]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 I absolutely agree. The possibility will be there as long as their living. The probability, however, is not likely. And no, there isn't enough help out there and it doesn't help that collectively we can't decide on what that help should even be.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@lisarodriguez6966 Agreed

[@CeeKayTheWay]

I got my old man addicted to fentanyl. I didn’t know that what I was giving him was fentanyl til about a year in and it was the absolute worst feeling i’ve ever had. Knowing you got your dad on fent is a terrible terrible thing. I’m proud to say I got us both off it too. My clean date is 5/30/23 and his is 8/10/23.

[@SouthernGyrl]

Almost a year, hopefully you're still pushing through!!!

[@Knifeguy69]

How tf do you not know

[@icepick859]

how did you get clean?

[@CeeKayTheWay]

@@icepick859 I put myself into methadone treatment and convinced my father to shortly there after and now we’re both sober. God helped me a lot also. I can’t speak for my father when it comes to that but yanno 🤷

[@k.e.m.99]

this photo is one of the sweetest I have seen from you, Mark. this is a father who loves with his whole heart and it’s really touching.

[@Catalinaobregon]

This is a father who loves his drug with his whole heart…

[@chloehart3670]

@@Harlow... being an addict is NOT a choice

[@jamestopham7744]

@@chloehart3670 it is

[@wanghaf_Gl0yper]

@@chloehart3670 come on…let’s be real. I have sympathy for addicts because I’ve been one myself. But no one forces you to use and plenty of people make the CHOICE to get clean

[@friendlyfrenzy3498]

@@chloehart3670 it is, my dad is one I should know

[@jacobames8768]

That "you forgetting something" by his son around 6 minutes just punched me in the gut. Alcohol almost always is and likely will forever be a factor in these situations. I wish these two the best and hope they can both come out the other side.

[@aHavenForTheLost]

That hit me hard too. Alcohol being abused when he was a kid really effected him. The father may not realize it but the son sure suffered from it. I use to be an alcoholic and then into heroin addict and then back into alcoholism. It's been over 7 years since I've had a drink and over 12 years since I used heroin. I am so thankful that my children will never have to see me drunk or see alcohol even in the house. I grew up with alcoholics and addicts as parents and I refuse to let my kids suffer the same way. I pray these two find the strength to get clean. They seem like they are the type of guys who could do anything. I wish them the best.

[@andreaedgecliff4977]

Got me too!

[@louieo.blevinsmusic4197]

Opiate addicts usually hate drinking. At least me and all my friends. Once you get your hit then you wouldn’t want anything to mess that feeling up. I still don’t like drinking but eh, I’ll partake once every month or two.

[@emmcee662]

These guys seem articulate and self aware - I really hope they can permanently kick their habits and have a better life

[@cwblackistonio1641]

Well, ol Woody Harrelson is looking younger as the years progress.

[@ryanc9432]

They wont. Trash people.

[@sandmanlopez9920]

Me too 😔

[@msj2677]

When it’s not enjoyable anymore is the best time to quit. I hope these guys get help and become sober.

[@CashanovaXTREME]

Articulate? All he’s done is a few low paying jobs and played in a softball league. I wouldn’t say he’s scholarly.

[@BexEvans]

The way he has his arms around his son in the photo, is so caring and protective and loving. They know their demons. I just hope one day they can find a way to break free. They are both insightful and have a huge amount of awareness. Which maybe in some ways makes it sadder. Keep doing your good work Mark and giving people a voice and educating the rest of us

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️ 😇 💎 🌈

[@juliearnold4096]

He should use those outstreched hands more like a father than a lil brother then wouldn't you think?

[@jakemitchell1671]

Come on....Jeez...."caring and protective and loving?" Please, please, please WAKE UP and face the horrible truth that every regrettable story is not deserving of sympathy. I realize a comment like that sounds crass and uncaring, but it's NOT uncaring. It simply acknowledges a truth: That many (most?) of these "sad" stories aren't the result of bad luck, bad breaks, or an unfair world. Both of these men are of relative sound mind and body. It's not pre-ordained in the stars that they live on the streets.

[@RainsWorldVegasSlots]

Selfish father

[@akadvcyoubeezy6748]

Ironic

[@shannonhuddleston4980]

Both of them seem very sweet and have had bad things happen just like most of us have people deal with trauma differently I pray they both get help and find their peace much love to both of you from Louisiana ❤️

[@neworleans1979]

I couldn’t agree with you more. Fellow Louisiana gal here! Love to ALL!

[@chrismarinov2007]

The father sounds so eloquent and self aware. I hope they figure a way out of this situation.

[@pamelawood9289]

Totally agree‼️

[@fearnotiamwiththee]

Eloquent? Chatty is not eloquent. Get a dictionary.

[@reginahodgkins5762]

I think he seems self aware . But doesn’t know he’s self centered. It’s a hard road, when we think we know everything we usually don’t know much. I hope they both get better .

[@davechristian7543]

@@fearnotiamwiththee didnt u no ppl heir like to use words they dont even no the meaning to lol

[@margie909]

Both so well spoken, insightful, and intelligent. They both could be such a valuable sources for others if they were seen and heard.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Now they have been. 💛

[@TruthHurtsSoGetAHelmet]

No. There’s unhealthy codependency. Love with selfish stipulations. The complete sadness on the face of his son because of the dad’s lack of love and maturity to teach him the right way and the strength to pull himself up out of his fathers codependency.

[@stephownsyourface]

My thoughts exactly!

[@katiehealybarcelon9070]

I respectfully disagree. I wouldn't characterize this father and son as intelligent. They have made many bad choices throughout their lives that has led to where they are; living on the street, addicted to drugs, no significant other.

[@gerkavanagh2468]

Just because your a drug addict doesn't make you a bad person

[@deniserhodes2374]

Amen!

[@katythepsychiclady2342]

Your absolutely right!!!!

[@debbiebasche7760]

So Very True!!!

[@mikebb1000]

Thank you see sir. You are absolutely correct. Most of us are sad and have depression but that doesn’t mean that I’m a bad person.

[@theguyonutube6928]

Eventually it does though usually

[@user-qg8cj4zh5r]

Just turned 21. About 2 years into using Fentanyl, at first all it took was a little bit and the high felt like the best feeling you could imagine, at peace like I was in heaven. I now work 10-12 a day and I have to use every 2 hours to function at work and not feel sick. Today I broke down Bc of the realization that I need to quit, or im be dead soon. All of a sudden this video pops up and im 7 minutes in, I really hope I have the strength to quit

[@bubblesxo]

quit now before ur tolerance goes up. next thing u know u could be a street zombie. stop now 🛑

[@Geoplanetjane]

I was actually prescribed fentanyl patches for chronic pain and when I decided to just stop using them, I knew better than to try to stop cold Turkey. What I did was cut down gradually. With the patches I started by cutting them in half and using at that level for 2 or 3 weeks and cutting them into 4 pieces and using at that level for maybe 3 weeks, then down another half, and so on until the amount I had to use was so tiny that I just stopped altogether. The side effects of stopping in this way made it entirely feasible to do. Try it and see how you can handle it.

[@wingersdingers]

I was doing 40+ a day.... and I just got over the withdrawals literally today is the first day I have felt normal. I did cut down as geoplanet says but MUCH more rapidly, it's possible to take your life back even if you use subs to come off it rather quickly......

[@ackack2560]

You can do it!

[@ShowMeTheMoneyShot]

You can do it, I’ve had addiction problems most my life, cocaine and crack was my drug for years, but I would do anything else when it was around as well. Pills, acid, mushrooms, heroin, Molly, whatever else was around I would say yes to. After a while it just wasn’t fun anymore, it was such a burden in my life and my family that every time I would smoke rock and stay up all night I absolutely hated myself, it made me incredibly depressed. So depressed that even after being clean now for around 5 years I only just recently finally found some happiness in everyday life, to the point where I’m actually smiling without needing something artificial to make me smile. I have energy again. One thing you should do is get on the suboxone program. It can be a bit of a hassle at times, but if you treat the meds the way you’re supposed to it will help you overcome the fentanyl. Believe me, it’s not an overnight fix, you will need to mentally train yourself as well, but it will help you kick the hard shit.

[@krystanoelll]

Hearing the dad talk about his childhood was so nice. It offers insight into how you can have a great life and still wind up in their position. And I think it’s also important to highlight that addicts don’t do drugs for fun. They do it so they don’t get sick. Addiction is so misunderstood in this country.

[@libbyhulkman]

The dad talked too much in my opinion...the son obviously has more hurt he can't share because his dad won't shut up.

[@victoryredcolorado]

Old man needs to shut up and let the son talk. He's responsible for everything yet seems to be oblivious about it. He left out the part, what happened with them and a daughter working at the machine shop to end up where they are at now.

[@lisaibrahim6780]

You need to listen to the story again.

[@edenkentner]

Edit: when Joey said "living is a little bit of a stretch" ... 😢 hearing Scott say he doesn't even have dreams anymore broke my heart. When you stop hoping for things in life it's not a good place. These guys are sincere and completely aware of what this is doing to their lives.... There is so much pain in both of them. I hope and pray they get the help they need to get clean and find peace

[@reginahodgkins5762]

Makes me think of the song change by blind melon

[@maryelizabeth4441]

These two were very genuine & articulate. They seem very sweet & I am glad they have each other. I truly wish the best for these two.

[@judithgilkison8604]

Had my best friend who one would think... Drugs NO WAY- EVER. It all seems so unreal. She was in her 40s going through a very depressing stage. Broke her foot/ given prescription drugs for pain and then became a junky on this stuff. Totally changed her. The addiction to this crap was beyond crazy. She lived to maintain/ existing, like these guys are talking about. Would find her passed out with her eyes open and flies in her eyes OMG!!! In her front yard- People calling the police thinking she is a dead body!!! Many times... Too many... Everyone was so so shocked- She was very intelligent. Well read, college degree, personal asst positions for owners of multimillion dollar companies. The last 10 years of her life she was literally dieing. She only weighed 87lbs and it's all she cared about. RIP Sandy Moreno My Best Friend You are forever missed and loved...

[@TheMilkmaidFarm]

The ending had me tear up. The fact they hope telling their story might help someone else avoid it.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@The milkmaid Yes! They have made a contribution, in doing so! If people see that a wholesome family like this can become addicted, they will think twice. 🧡

[@FyeRye]

Can’t avoid much of this..

[@FixedLineAppalachia]

Great interview- It seems like this is probably the first time Joe has ever talked about his life out loud- and you can see it in his face as he process his own life. That alone is priceless to talk to another human- Well done!

[@lilaworley8935]

I was quite surprised by the conversation and insight in this conversation. Sad that they are this deep together and truly hope Dad pulls himself together to teach his son that this isn't the path he should be on. BE THE CHANGE.

[@taylorjohnson9321]

Yes he pulls himself together enough by shooting up with him. Gtfoh

[@doggfriendly]

Scott you should be proud, your son for what he's been through speaks so well and he is a good son. He listened and left his dad get all that off his chest without interruption. Hope the best for you both. It warmed my heart to hear him say we got each other and that is alot. Not making fun either, this was a good story.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

💚

[@rebeccans7729]

I think they’re close to surrendering to recovery. When addiction becomes annoying, tedious, something you just do to get through the day, I think that’s when you realise you have nothing left to lose. The possibility that sobriety can be better than whatever state you’re in, seems more and more realistic. Or you just realise that if this is shitty, possibly something could be better. I have faith in both of these men. They can do it, it just takes time :)

[@andreaedgecliff4977]

The father is a talker. The son speaks from the heart. I also hope the father makes a change to support his son

[@Catalinaobregon]

Horrific father-son situation. That boy looks like he’s carrying the load that belongs to the father. I can’t stand the elephant in the room….”I grew up in a great family….they were alcoholics” gah! Son needs to get the hell away. Sorry, Joe.

[@delladuran4481]

Mark I believe that this interview along with the comments will help these two fine humans out more than we know, please keep up with them cause I believe we are going to see the change. I'm rooting for them. Thanks guys for educating others that life is short also love the ones your with. ❤💯❤

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

💙 💚 💛

[@karireyes7603]

I love that Scott made a point to thank Mark for his work. I always wonder how Mark chooses his subjects, and whether or not they watch his channel. Sounds like Scott was already a fan!

[@louiepreciado5672]

"We're normal, we're just in an abnormal place." Deep. Scott I hope you guys find your path soon.

[@1stysparke]

the unconditional love is the outstanding feature of this interview ... you guys are wealthier than a lot of people will ever be & I can see you guys treasure it ... around 26mins aprox when Mark asks Joey "whats the most important thing you learned" and his reply ... truely beautiful such a rush of emotions ... hope things get better for ya guys and thank you for sharing was very nice to see ... and as always thank you Mark

[@fy1755]

They are fkn killing themselves putting that shit in their bodies

[@fothrmuckr]

This hit a heart string.. thanks Mark for the countless stories you share. You're always working to hear out these people, who probably aren't heard much. I have the utmost respect for you and I commend you're ability to hear these stories and let them be heard. I often wonder what toll this could take on you as well.

[@BeeKay4444]

Absolutely agree. Mark has incredible talent to nurture trust with these interviewees.

[@amycarvosso7594]

This is so sad to see. It's hard to break the cycle... As personified by this father and son. Thanks for sharing

[@cwblackistonio1641]

The son bears a stark resemblance to Woody Harrelson. Could there be a secret mystery to this shrouded story?

[@amycarvosso7594]

@@cwblackistonio1641 I can see what you mean! His hands are so red and swollen. It's tragic😔

[@khalilahd.]

It’s truly sad to see stuff like this 😔

[@AV-sq3jb]

Great sweet people it's true never judge somebody you didn't walk in their shoes really hope they get and find help they definitely deserve it I'm an ex hardcore addict myself wish you all the best and getting clean love from Holland

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@AV-sq3jb Me, too. So glad you made it out the other side and hope they do, too! 🧡

[@taral3746]

He really does love his kid regardless the situation!! I hope they can get clean they have so much life to live. Their so honest articulate and so self aware!!! God bless you boys I truly hope someone reaches out to you to help you get clean!! Much love!!

[@enzomeister]

Such a heartwarming feeling when seeing them talk together, his dad and him look like such good persons. I hope they are in a better position now and have shelter. God bless them!

[@wunderwaffefries]

I want to see these two succeed and come around to living as a happy family! Anything can happen and I know everyone in these comments wants to see the smiles return to these faces.

[@rosalind442]

Great video with so much to learn from this father and son. This is a sad story of two intelligent men who are aware of their additions but don’t know how to stop. I hope they find the courage to quit and get back on a healthy road.

[@LoriLane-434]

Don't judge a book by it's cover. These guys have more insight living on skid row than the people living in my gated community. Prayers and hugs that you both find your way to your divine purpose. 🌺🌸🌺

[@andrealawent1988]

This poor kid he can’t even get a word in. I’m sorry I’m understand addiction but I’m in shock. Speechless and that’s difficult. I hope he gets away from his “father” Joey I hope one day you can speak for yourself because I am so sad for you. Sigh….

[@chelseahalcomb9051]

These two are not father and son, they're brothers. Not only because this father is as self centered as they come but because this boys grandparents raised him as well. SHAME on this father. This "father" is so well spoken and eloquent because he was given all the resources he needed in life FROM HIS PARENTS. His poor son cannot say the same, not that he'd ever be given the chance to by his father. This is sickening. How people can see this and not see this "father" for who he is is mind blowing to me. But I guess you'd have to know someone EXACTLY like him. This one hit me for sure. I hope this young man can escape this life and leave his father in his past. 💔 Great documenting Mark. A story you don't see everyday that needs to be told. 😪

[@Gram820]

A bit harsh but perhaps you're right.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

They are father and son who are suffering from the same, often hereditary, illness. There’s a difference.

[@katarinahinsey3931]

I do know someone exactly like that and it’s amazing to me how most people don’t see through his self centered non stop story telling.

[@haught7576]

@@katarinahinsey3931 narcissism at it’s finest

[@nattynat79]

One of my favourite interviews. Very opening to the life out there. These guys are truly present and down to earth. I pray they get the help needed to recover and help others. They’ll be great influencers/ mentors.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Definitely! 🧡

[@GrandmaDawn118]

Damn Dad said sooooo many things I can relate to! When I was in my addiction, I would wake up TOTALLY BROKE and somehow come up with enough money for 20 pills dinner for the family and gas money for the next day but now (November 11 will be 6 years) I struggle to keep a job and to have any kind of HUSTLE!! I’m pretty sure it’s depression too but I definitely lost some (a lot) of my hustle I just hope and pray that I get it back. Anyway thank you Mark for all you do!

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Absolutely. And the drug quits doing what it used to, to propel you to go out and get it and keep functioning. Dopamine receptors get burned out and all humans need dopamine…it’s more involved in motivation than pleasure, neurologically. Over time, it slows down central nervous system function that allows us to do basic things people take for granted (take in enough oxygen, use the bathroom…everything). A great book about how this happens is, “Understanding Addiction: Know Science, No Stigma”, which I totally ripped off for my screen name lol. I keep it in my mind always, because it helped me get and stay off dope. I also had (on the 5th try) a great treatment program and a conscientious MAT doc which is nothing short of a miracle, but they are out there. I hope you find all the resources you need to beat this. You are definitely ready for it. 💛

[@travissys3504]

You should be supremely proud of yourself, friend. Excellent work!

[@GrandmaDawn118]

@@travissys3504 thank you so much! I appreciate that!!!

[@GrandmaDawn118]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 thank you so much for explaining that to me! Thank you for just taking the time to reply to me. That means a lot !!!! ♥️

[@blitheringrando1410]

Congrats on kicking your habit, I hope things are getting better on the energy level side of things. Depression will really knock down the desire to get anything done, I've definitely gone through the ringer with that. I know it's cliche and easier said than done, but eating cleaner and exercising more could do a lot for your mental health. I was forced into a healthier lifestyle by health issues, but once I committed to saving my health and my life and exceeded my goals, my mentality shifted. I started seeing more value and capability in myself. Every scary thing I accomplish builds my confidence and energy level is as good as ever now. It just takes some time to get back up to speed.

[@Frysken]

I honestly came to this video expecting to hate the father for enabling his son and within the first minute, I stood corrected. Addiction is a terrible thing. Nobody WANTS to be an addict, but the mind is so powerful that some people just can't help it. It's a nightmarish hell for everyone involved, and I hope these two, and anyone else struggling, can get the help they need and deserve.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Much love! 💙

[@mariefrench8058]

Prayers to you both ,my nephew committed suicide 4/13/2022 ,its so hard for family to go on afterwards ,my heart breaks every single day since he left us . May God help u regain a life again .

[@lizsmith8193]

In the stunning black and white photo , I can still still the love and and lightness in them. they are enmeshed as father and son, but at least they have each other, wish them hope and happiness.🙏

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️❤️

[@tealbagger]

Since the first video of yours I ever watched off skid row I have been saying that you needed to come to K&A and see. Im extremely thankful you are shedding light on Kensington to the rest of the world.

[@icecream_andcookies]

These two are wonderful. Thank you for helping them to share their stories

[@joey3296]

even being in recovery and seeing and doing everything that is associated with drugs..this channel is hard to watch, especially when you interview addicts. it hits home to me in a variety of ways. but I always hold onto hope every time I see an addiction interview. always praying that they find peace that comes with recovery. 1 year and 4 months later I found my soul mate, have a 5 month old beautiful boy and a baby girl on the way. I wanted it bad enough. that's what it always comes down too. you have to really want sobriety bad enough to we're the thought of using becomes repulsive. I pray they find there way. there's a better life out here.

[@tattyk665]

Slightly annoyed by the comment section, it seems a lot of people are quite taken in by the father; think he's a pretty great guy. I don't see the same thing. I see a man that had a life, a wife, a job, did drugs the whole time, a childhood where he speaks about his father playing catch with him, and then decided to bring a child into this world. This child didn't get to play catch with his dad, or get to have a life, a wife, a job. He pretty much was just brought into an atmosphere of this and that is more than likely all he will have. I heard the father talking about his life the whole time, about how his parents didn't know any better with their addictions yet fails to see the irony in that statement in relation to himself. Then he says that millenials are a problem. I see him as a typical Boomer; they can't do no wrong and if they did well, they did their best, is what they say. Shut down any conversation about criticism for their behaviour.

[@Geoplanetjane]

I agree with much of what you say, but stop blaming boomers for all of society’s problems. We were brought into this world by parents who had all kinds to traumas because of WW 2. Some of them took great advantage of the benefits that the government made available to them and some didn’t. They had all kinds of opportunities that would be unimaginable to those of us who came after. What happened to us after that is that gd Vietnam war. Our folks were more than willing to sacrifice us for that brutal fight. All you have to do to understand it is to go the Vietnam Memorial, in Washington, DC. And talk to vets who go there to meditate and mourn their lost buddies and brothers. And after that the job market has been totally shitty, even for those of us who are well educated. Do not blame us for what we have had to cope with; it’s really a miracle that so many of us somehow made something of ourselves.

[@baileyvermillion5441]

Such a beautifully tragic relationship. They have eachother. I wish the best for them in their recovery

[@Jessika_ANK]

It’s so hard to separate whether it’s genetic or environmental bc they go hand and hand so many times. Trauma, generational addiction, lack of education, there’s so many factors to consider when discussing generations of addicts. Their story is so sad but not uncommon. I truly hope one day they become free from their vices and live a full happy life where they can sleep in their own homes and beds.

[@delfineslibres9471]

It's clearly environmental. Derr

[@delfineslibres9471]

Maybe your lack of insight is genetic

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Yes…genetics and family environment give children born to an addicted parent a 50% chance of being addicted. (“Understanding Addiction”, Smith and Hunt). And, I’d like to add, neurobiological. Sometimes that’s genetic, sometimes it’s the luck of the draw.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@delfineslibres9471 Partly, but not 100%. Some are born to non-addicted parents and have a healthy peer group, and still become addicted. These people have brain differences that cause them to respond differently to drugs/alcohol than their peers and close family.

[@marieneu264]

I would like to know what the 8 sisters turned out like.

[@jessicamiller7684]

Man, these two have such potential, especially the father. They’re not dumb or ignorant. They’re well spoken and they perfectly resemble how normal people can fall under this addiction. I’ve been clean for 6 years and I also grew up in a home where my parents were kind of uneducated about alcohol and one thing led to another (Florida lol), but they just truly need some guidance. I really hope they want and find help.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️

[@loribowen8320]

These two could really make something of themselves with the right connections and guidance. I really wish someone would give them a chance to get on their feet and mentor them. They are smart people. I pray that they get help♥️

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Beautifully said. I hope so, too! 💕

[@marymarymary9377]

Love these two! I would hire them to work for me. Would love to see a follow-up on these guys! Wishing them the best of luck! They have good hearts!

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

💗

[@Pages-oh9mn]

I hope through this interview Scott and Joe can find a path out and help others. Great interview Mark.

[@phoebeb.332]

He hits the nail on the head with how the game has changed. It’s why I knew I had to get out. Then the pandemic hit and it was a wrap. I knew my time was running out. My luck too. I’m on MAT now. It’s been such a relief. I got my life back.

[@dancer49lives6]

What is MAT?

[@cindyevans219]

@@dancer49lives6 I believe it’s Medication Assisted Treatment.

[@davidfl4]

Joe seems like a brilliant guy with a lot of potential. I hope he can get out of this life and share his gifts with the world. The same goes for his father, of course

[@PumpkinSpice1960]

Real brilliant!!! Thats why they are in the situation they are in.

[@joez3706]

Joe seems brilliant? Are we looking at the same person? 🙄

[@PumpkinSpice1960]

David F. Must be your generation to make a comment like that!!!! I don't get it, what makes you think he is brilliant????? You must have seriously low standards or extreme low self-esteem to think that.

[@davidfl4]

@@PumpkinSpice1960 addiction has nothing to do with intelligence you ass

[@hannakinn]

I've been watching videos about Kensington for about 2 weeks now. A friend of mine from Jr. High wound up there a few years ago, she was addicted to heroin for decades, she went there after her parents died and her drug addicted daughter and the daughters 2 children were murdered. Her parents had tried for decades to save her, they raised her children, sent her to rehab,, paid for her housing, etc.I have no clue where or how she is now. I guess it was inevitable that she'd wind up homeless once her parents were gone. I think Kensington is one of the saddest places on earth. The first videos I watched of driving tours and walks through the streets of Kensington were actually horrifying to see. It felt like I was seeing some post apocalyptic horror movie, but it's real. People's disregard for the lives of others and their own lives just to feel f'd up from drugs is almost unimaginable to me, even as I witness it on video after video. Some of the Kensington footage reminded me of footage I'd seen in documentaries about the Krokodrill epidemic in Russia about a dozen years ago. I remember how those addicts spent all their time shooting up, not caring that the drug they were using was rotting their bodies from the inside out, or that most addicts using that drug had a 2 year lifespan once they started using. I think it's wrong for the local and national government to turn their backs on Kensington. I think it's wrong for police not to enforce the laws and it's wrong that they allow people to get rich selling addictive contaminated drugs to people that are slowly killing themselves to get high. Jailing drug addicts for using is stupid as is allowing them to leave rehab before their treatment is completed. PA could do away with some of the stupid programs it uses taxpayer and government funds for and build drug treatment facilities that addicts could be sentenced into instead of sending them to jail. The dealers need to be arrested and sent to rehab if they're addicts and regular jail if they are not. There is a lot that could and should be done to alleviate the problem but everyone treats Kensington as if it's something that's grandfathered in, something that can't be fixed, everyone just wants to turn their back on the problem. It's shameful, really. Not too long ago the local news was reporting that Kensington had been cleaned up, they reported the story as if the homeless people. the addicts, the dealers were gone, as if the problems had been magically solved overnight. They aired video of clean streets devoid of passed out people, not a high person in sight, no trash to see, no needle strewn sidewalks. What the TV news didn't show was that the homeless of Kensingtom, the junkies, the dealers, the prostitutes had only moved a few blocks away as police had forced them out of the prime blocks. No one had solved or fixed anything, they made the people migrate a few blocks away, they tidied up the most recognizesble areas, they filmed those areas, patted themselves on the back for the great work they'd done and ignored the real issues. It's no surprise that all the homeless addicts, prostitutes and dealers moved right back into Kensington within weeks but no news crews came out to show that. Where did they think all those people were going to go,, where do they have to go, really? The issues there need to be addressed and solved not swept down the street. Families are failing children, society is failing families our leaders from both parties are failing everyone. Scott, please get clean and get your son to get clean, he looks worse off than you. You guys break the cycle of addiction in your family before it's too late.

[@ddz1375]

Kensington has always been bad. Back in the day Somerset was worse. They're trying to keep all the drug-addicted people corralled into one area and in the meantime they are not helping them or helping too much by giving away everything from prevention point. Free food free noodles, showers, clothes shoes, tents and really there are no rehabilitation centers better equipped to deal with fentanyl withdrawal or rooms to house all of the homeless people. Fentanyl is such a horrible addictive drug that is manufactured to be addictive people can't get off of it because they're so scared of being sick. It's a horrible cycle of death and destruction. My heart aches for what is becoming the norm for my city that I love.

[@wesleyalan9179]

Great interview! The way Scott described why he's ready to quit, that's was my whole reason too, it just became a hassel, and too many worries came with it, f*k that shit. Thanks guys! Scott/Joe/Mark🙏💜 be blessed 🙌

[@patricklary81]

Man, the father doesnt ever shut up. Mark kept asking the son questions and he couldn't get a sentence in edge wise, for his father overtalking him.

[@cwblackistonio1641]

It’s a shame

[@Neonracer1013]

Seriously, I, I , I !

[@waynestanbridge8632]

I think the fathers interference was more into helping his son rather than butting in. I feel he had more of a perspective of things and he took control of the situation. What was said was said and its heartbreaking all the same. Let's all give them the best hope in the world.

[@angelegabe7770]

@@waynestanbridge8632 I agree with you, however, the son seemed to be struggling mentally almost as if he is experiencing delayed reactions from drug use. I know Pop said he was extremely intelligent but, when he spoke I thought he was going to make a point, he just repeated what Pop said, I think that’s why he kept talking IMO… The Father & Son (drug) relationship is sad and heartbreaking to me 💔… I 🙏🏽 they can get clean, and stay away from the Badlands of Kensington ☠️… 😥

[@adrichats]

Lol I think it’s common for parents to act that way.

[@GrandmaDawn118]

If only every city had a “MARK” ….the world would be a much better place! Mark you are such a blessing! Not only to the people who have the pleasure of meeting you personally but I’m sure I’m not the only one that is getting something out of these videos. Thank You So Much! Jacksonville Florida Loves You!!!

[@pamelawood9289]

Tallahassee too

[@GrandmaDawn118]

@@pamelawood9289 well hey fellow Floridian ❤️

[@pamelawood9289]

@@GrandmaDawn118 Hello nice to meet you

[@GrandmaDawn118]

@@pamelawood9289 hey! My husband was born in Tallahassee ❤️ his whole family except his mother is still there. It’s beautiful there. Lot more country than there then there is here lol I’ll probably go in culture shock if I tried to do more than like a week there lol

[@pamelawood9289]

@@GrandmaDawn118 I’ve been here my whole life to but it’s growing they’re putting up stuff everywhere I really enjoy Marks channel and you take care of yourself

[@Rella88]

Poor Joe was fighting to get a word in😩. Good luck guys, I hope you both kick addiction!

[@squashanybody]

😆

[@eddievaliant8956]

He's absolutely right about the fentanyl out there. I was reliant on it for a while. It's really weird. It's powerful as hell YET the half life is short and you're jonsing by two hours just like he said. It's terrible. And he's right "you're paying to go to sleep" but the sleep isn't good. You're up in 45 mins. its so absolutely scary. It was easier and happier times during heroin and to say that is so frightening in itself. Fentanyl is a demon brother of meth. No fun in it.

[@HandbagDiva]

I don’t think there was a quarter the amount of OD’s from Heroin as there are from Fentanyl. Thanks China 🙄

[@thedutchmaster420247]

The shit in Kensington is even worse it has tranq (xylazine) which is an animal tranquilizer and it literally just puts you to sleep and you wake up 2 hours later sick as fuck. Regular fentanyl is definitely better then the bullshit in Kensington rn

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

💯. That’s a vivid description, and so accurate!

[@talbotdorr682]

100 percent accurate man. I was addicted to the fake oxys that are really just fentanyl for 2 years. It was hell. Thank god I’m off them now, but a morbid part of me wishes they would just bring heroin back. I feel like everyone would wayyy rather just have that. Lasts longer, in a crazy way it’s safer, more natural even. Fentanyl is some weird synthetic shit that is just so short lasting

[@phoebeb.332]

💯

[@dougmcdonel8985]

Love this episode! Would love to see a follow-up at some point.

[@KaryKitz]

They seem like such great genuine men! Hoping they can overcome the drug use and not be homeless! Prayers !

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

🙏 🙏 🙏

[@rebekahfisher8585]

What a breath of fresh air! No excuses, no crazy stories. I’m wishing these gentlemen the very best.

[@carolynrupard2699]

I loved this interview! So interesting to see they stick together even through the addiction. Stay safe and well! And I love the matching shirts!!

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

💗 I believe people will learn a lot from this interview. If it can happen to people like them, it can truly happen to anyone. I hope someone helps them and gives them a chance!

[@WoodenFloorsRock]

Wishing these two all the best - keep going if you're reading this Scott and Joe! Support from Toronto

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️

[@BKLisaP]

I think these two have a lot of intelligence and humanity in them and would stand a great chance at recovery with a good program. Their B&W portrait is absolutely beautiful.

[@jessicamiller7684]

Ps. If you’re ever interested in interviewing people who were addicted to drugs or alcohol for a long time and found recovery, I think it would be really cool and am also open to being interviewed. Maybe people who are addicted watch these videos too and want solutions? We know you’re busy, but just a thought!

[@mrasmussen90]

This dad saying “millennials now a days” while he’s the one who raised his son and is using drugs with him. That line kind of blew my mind.

[@tallentstravels5727]

Yes that was stupid.

[@mrasmussen90]

@@tallentstravels5727 yeah I mean he probably just said it without giving it much thought but it was still kind of wild. I wish them both the best.

[@homelessman3483]

That always cracks me up that the generation that says crap like that is the generation that raised the millennials to be who they are

[@mrasmussen90]

@@homelessman3483 exactly. It’s like not only did he raise him, he’s currently doing drugs with him.

[@KatJ3st]

This is the saddest expression of what is happening to so many generations of families.

[@ANIML57]

Thanks yet again for the most important work you do. Never stop!

[@sherrycissokho-parker2988]

Another Excellent Interview Mark Dad and Son Blessings just Blessings I pray for Dad and Son Recovery 🙏

[@beckymellon8135]

I thought this was a great interview and I appreciate the honesty and vulnerability ✌️🙏🏻❤️ I wish this dad and son all the best 🤞with all my love from Montgomery county Pa.

[@muddyfaygos343]

Addicts are seriously some of the most understanding and caring people on the planet.. most of the time all those people you see homeless and addicted were no different from you sober folks.. they just got dealt a shitty hand and it didn't work out in their favor. Im so happy that these two have each other though, whether they're using or not, it's a dangerous and scary place out there. NEVER LOSE HOPE❤️

[@katiehealybarcelon9070]

I sort of agree with you. I think it has more to do with the choices one makes in life.

[@joelmonkley6177]

This is by far the best interview I have seen l love the father's honesty and the son there is no bullshit no bravado it's real only wishing the best for both of them

[@julietwalden669]

So incredibly sad to hear dad say he doesn’t even have dreams anymore. Everyone should be able to dream and have the hope that those dreams can come true. These are two beautiful humans. I hope the very best for them that they find a way to work out of the addiction together.

[@tonysslime7633]

This is what happens when you unknowingly pass on a family curse. Hopefully one day a child from this family will grow up and break this curse.

[@SerenityRose-hg9wt]

🤍

[@veronikavolition6395]

Word! I'm exhausted thinking about it, as someone putting in the work to break mine. Sending them that re-energy energy. _A_

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@veronikavolition6395 You’re right where you need to be. I believe in you! 💜

[@veronikavolition6395]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 wow thank you so much

[@lizvalentine1811]

These two seem so incredibly sweet. I wish them the best.

[@gunnercolt6347]

These two men are obviously great souls. I pray they get back on the straight and narrow. Hopefully someone will see this and have some type of farm work or something so they can go feel nature again and enjoy time away from the temptations. Good luck and God bless you both.

[@lostintranslation8085]

I really enjoyed this interview thank you guys for your honesty. This is such a great channel and really encouraging for many of us. If you dont like it stop watching and move on. Please dont use it as a forum for negative commentary or arguing on who's right, its so ugly to see. It's also really disrespectful to this project! Please everyone just try to be awesome, everyday!

[@truthx7465]

Okay "Scott and Joe" ;)

[@myeyeswentdeaf6213]

Good Morning!👋😃from 6:00am Brooklyn NY 🇺🇸 to whatever time of day it is wherever I’m the world 🌎🌍 you are, my SWU family.

[@Gram72534]

GM my brother! 4:36 am in Colorado! Have a great day to all that reads this!!!

[@rylar6593]

I'm very glad these two have eachother. And wish them health and happiness

[@youtooaromatherapyyoga2991]

I utterly love these two. So intelligent and caring with insight and love for one another! Pops and Joey, love you and hope you can find your way out of this horror soon. I've seen what Kensington is like (nothing like the London Kensington!!) so please stay safe and love for your recovery very soon xxx

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@sophiagrady4138]

Ty for ur interviews you two still have a clear head there is still a STRONG HELP for the two of you!!!!

[@joelyons8238]

Remember Joey, we're not promised tomorrow. Change needs to happen today Joey, today. I'm Praying for the both of you.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️❤️

[@tblair2277]

Scott and Joe are going to make it. They have the ability to overcome their addiction and move on toward a new life with "goals". Be strong, get help and never give up. I'm praying for you.

[@tallentstravels5727]

Of course, I hope you're right. But I see no evidence that "they have the ability to overcome their addiction." None.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@tallentstravels5727 I’ve seen people who seem more hopeless find recovery, including me.

[@lizmurphy4616]

Almost everyone I see on here, I have so much love for..I know how it feels to be that stuck. Hang in there boys, sending love and prayers to you and Mark, thank you for what you do ❤️

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

❤️ 🧡 💛

[@lisemarie5875]

Being an ex addict I'd love to see these fellas kick it and start enjoying their lives 👍 take care guys ❤️❤️

[@RTJames-gq9xg]

Curious. Mark, did you feel they just wanted a bit of peace and ability to live life without the hard hard work of a daily grind? Meaning I sure felt pops wanted to be clean and find his path back. His son, still thinking but sees life could be so good. These two men, they have touched my heart. Unsure what I could offer to help them on their journey of success back- but I’d sure life to give them more hope 👍🥰

[@amysullivan774]

I have watched my share of Mark's videos, but I have never wanted to be able to put a roof over someone's head and find a job for someone like I do for these two. Really wish I had the means to help.

[@charlottegunning1548]

Thank you Scott n Joey for sharing your life. Im 66yrs old n my 47yr old son lives with me in my minivan in Santa Barbara, California. We are living your same life here in this town. It's hard n humiliating n we Just get by, every day. We kno your life n say "Hang in there n God bless n keep you both safe from Evil.

[@sherylmurray9869]

Living is a stretch....this broke my heart. Joey is really lost and has given up.. The father is lost in yesterday. Dad!! Listen to your son,he doesn't have a voice. I hope they both get help.

[@purpledragondc7532]

Follow up on these guys! They can definitely kick this & start over!!!! They have so much potential ♥️♥️♥️

[@thedutchmaster420247]

Joey has so much life left in his eyes still. Get out while your still young. You don't wanna wake up at 45 doing the same shit for however many years. I know how hard that is it's much easier said than done coming from someone who struggles with the same affliction.

[@cianoaichir2725]

As a single father of twelve years..... this is kinda terrifying. Nothing but respect for your respect for your fellow human beings.... regardless of race religion or status... You're stories of our fellow brothers and sisters keep me going.....not for the drama or bullshit....for the straight up respect and love for you're fellow human beings regardless of what's transpired Fair play chief.... you're one of a kind,God bless 🇮🇪❤️ One love from Ireland brother 🇮🇪 Keep doing your thing ❤️🇮🇪 Love both you brothers, please keep going ❤️🇮🇪

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

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