Ferrari 308 - FRONT SUSPENSION IN!!! - Ep#5 - ...But I screwed up :(

[@richthomas1670]

Never-Sleeze is a great product!

[@rparker2824]

Sleeze?

[@HeidiandFranny]

It really is ;)

[@WilliamAndrewPhilipBodie]

You din't screw up. but did learn some thing new. any one els like me. i scew it up and not learn anything. But it's great to see a Pro like you on YT. much better 🙂

[@paulmonte7642]

Another great video Franny. I am currently replacing everything on all four corners, this is sooooo helpful !!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Oh, that's great! I'm working on a video of the brake bleeding right now. Let me know if I can help with anything.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Hi Everyone, In this episode, we get the front suspension in. Even with all of my work to prep I STILL messed something up. It's all good :) I get it corrected and send my work off to Lou Trottier (So sorry for the mispronunciation!!). Lou is a real trained mechanic and a great storyteller. You really owe it to yourself to give his channel a visit :) Check out Lou's 308 channel HERE: kzbin.info

[@LouTrottier]

You did a great job of pronouncing my name. Thank you so much for the shout out. You two are incredible. Cheers and thank you again, I am not worthy!

[@deancampardo2806]

good morning , would you both consider selling the 308 ?

[@jrgenfriborg3508]

Hi Heidi. In SAS Air Line We used cookout. In tight aria. It is the fork end of your ring and fork. Just with a square just at the fork.

[@billhartsfield424]

Your attention to detail is a pleasure to watch.👍

[@rocketsock4297]

Lovely! It might sound strange but i really like you calm voice. English isn't my native language and your videos are very easy to follow and listen to. Lot's of love from Germany!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Oh, that so nice to hear. Thanks!

[@mbrintle6619]

Good video. Franny's patience and doing things the right way (even if it means doing some things over) are inspiring!

[@HeidiandFranny]

thanks so much :)

[@benzina5917]

Very nice video. Lou is local to me and a wonderful guy. I enjoy watching his channel and have even visited his shop for a little 308 talk. Watching this video I do have two observations: 1. Having re-used the nylock nuts (which is totally ok BTW) you really should use a little blue loctite on the nuts as they no longer grip like new. Even if you have to add a little torque later the nuts will be better off than installing them dry. 2. While in there check the age of the flexible brake hoses. They are often overlooked and super easy to replace at this point.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Great points! I have four new brake hoses to install - some of those elusive parts we have been waiting on! Lou is just the nicest guy :)

[@v1rotait23]

Nice job Franny. I watch Lou as well. Thoroughly enjoying reliving my 80s childhood through these red 308s and your delightful 911 projects! OH, to have a project car like these. Cheers from a slowly warming South Pacific New Zealand, David.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much David! We follow the Wynns (a sailing channel) and they are in NZ for a while getting quite a bit of boat work done. They have been showing the rainy weather punctuated by a couple days of nice weather. I hope to visit some day :)

[@susannero6401]

Great video (including great camera work). You have a knack for making intimidating jobs seem manageable with minimal drama. You're an inspiration, Franny.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much! I think the lack of drama actually works against up in the YT world a bit but that's ok :)

[@scottiencali]

Great video.. appreciate the arrows showing the washers and spacers! Cant wait for the rest!

[@frankd2301]

As methodical as you are I’m surprised by that little mistake. Good catch.

[@HeidiandFranny]

It just didn't seem right to me. I'm glad I caught it. I suppose an alignment would catch it too...

[@frankd2301]

@@HeidiandFranny : when I was younger I never took pictures or notes and still always got it right.

[@Matt-ft2nz]

3 thumbs up ! now I know why I love my 997 and why all the Ferrari owners here , sell their cars before the reach 10000 km. Saludos desde Centroamerica . BTW good video like always

[@mikebell1961]

This is my favorite part. Not sure why I find reassembly with new or rebuilt parts so clinically satisfying :)

[@HeidiandFranny]

I like that bit too ;)

[@walterthorne4819]

Great camera work, great narration, great celeb!

[@nathanbenich9204]

Lou is great as well as you are. I love both of these channels! Cheers!;)

[@stewkeene]

Hey there! Nice to see you back again and filming 👍🏻 that car is going to drive so much better!

[@markdavis2475]

Definitely another one of those jobs where you know how to do it, after it's done, and you hope you never have to do it again! Great production, as usual!

[@johncullinan8041]

Excellent video. Attention to detail always pays dividends 🤓🇬🇧🇨🇮

[@tracystuntlady6343]

Awesome work, as always. Your patience and attention to detail is outstanding. The parts look amazing. I am still floored that they lost some though. So unprofessional. I paused the video a few times to check out your jack stands with the wood blocks on them. For my next tasks on my project car I am going to have to put all four corners on jack stands and wanted to do the same thing. Keep up the good work!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks! Someone suggested hockey pucks. I think the hard rubber might be a better material than wood. It might be a little less apt to slide maybe. Since the car has a tubular steel frame there are a surprising number of good jack points. It is built a bit like a race car.

[@horstruss1337]

Hi Franny, great video. When I saw that you did put the four shims on one side, I was thinking on my 308 are two in the front and two in the rear. The caster on my car is in spec, the alignment was measured two months ago. So it should be also okay on your car. It is nice to see that you so much care about the 308, these cars are deserve it.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks for that. Lou said the same and I have another friend who said his car is as mine. I'm guessing there was a but of variation in the A-arms out of the factory. I will get it aligned (I hope). It will be interesting to see what changes.

[@ianritchie1666]

I have used a 500mm pipe over a wrench and a spring balance at 500mm to calibrate torque. 10kg pull equals 50Nm torque. Crude but it works.

[@Number27]

Good work.. I hate doing suspension stuff!

[@HeidiandFranny]

I hear that!! Not my favorite either. The bits are usually heave and a bit stuck together ;) I am really interested in seeing if the handling is much better. What is next for your 308?

[@darrellsimpson6966]

Again an excellent presentation. Would like to replace suspension bushes and shocks on my 328, but a tad old now to get underneath it. Will have to save up. Looking forward to your next episode. Many thanks from Kiwiland.

[@ksteak27]

Love the Ratarossa shirt! Scott's an awesome guy!

[@HeidiandFranny]

He really is :)

[@richardwintle1020]

Another fun video... even for those of us unlikely to ever wrench on a Ferrari! And your Ratarossa sweatshirt brought a smile to my face too. :)

[@davidpsalt]

Never "Sleaze" - every time you say it it makes me laugh!

[@steffydog]

Great work, always worth checking.

[@jayringo77]

Another great video that proves how thorough documenting pays off. Can't wait for the next episode!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much!

[@freerkderuiter8822]

As straightforward as a job like this may seem, there is a lot you can do wrong. Your screwup wasn't bad, Franny and you were in time to correct it. I'm pretty sure I would have done a worse job. The caster angle will definitely influence the way it handles, so glad you got it right. Thumbs up.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much!

[@steffydog]

Great work, always worth checking 👍

[@johnspecht72]

Another incredible video! These videos and your channel are always fantastic! Thank you for your hard work Heidi and Franny!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much John! You're the best :)

[@andrewmichaelcrook340]

Heidi and franny I hope you are both safe 🙏💗 and that the 🔥 are nowhere near you happy new year Andrew from 🇦🇺

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much! We are good :) Happy New Year!

[@jamestharp7880]

Another great video. You are so thorough and careful. 😊

[@jamalhussain9162]

Just a suggestion you might have already considered but maybe use rubber grease specifically for the bushings as they are better suited then copper grease for this application.

[@HeidiandFranny]

I do have some silicone grease. I did think about that, but the bolts are running in sleeves and don't actually touch rubber. I did use silicone grease on the rubber mounts of the steering box. I will use some silicone on the drop links because that is a pace where there is rubber to metal contact.

[@jamalhussain9162]

@@HeidiandFranny thanks for getting back with explanation and hope the build goes well.👍

[@shauntvr4312]

I have learnt so much off your videos thanks 😊 🙏

[@HeidiandFranny]

Oh, great!

[@michelswerissen6544]

Thanks for explaining and sharing.

[@lowreedman]

Great stuff. I like to see the design on suspension that exotic brands use. Well done!

[@HeidiandFranny]

The double wishbone is very different than what Porsche was using at the time. It is neat to see them evolve too.

[@NekoWinters]

Me* rags on modern Ferraris Also Me* "The 308 is PEAK 80s goodness!"

[@misterfeedback202]

Always great videos. Quality is awesome!!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks!

[@roscoejones4515]

Beautiful work!👍

[@fredsalfa]

Thanks Fran I really enjoyed that 😊

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks!

[@stagnite2]

Good work.

[@giorgiorossi2530]

nice job!! Complimenti!!

[@joanneshellings5457]

Super nice job !! Like it : D

[@russelbarns1737]

Hey Franny, another great video, well done. 👍 You'll have a wheel alignment done when you're finished...yes? 😃

[@HeidiandFranny]

yup. I just need to find the rights shop - one that knows how to deal with those shims ;)

[@bondy284]

Excellent video👍🇦🇺

[@josbar313131]

Just fantastic. I love these videos

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks so much!

[@graham6229]

Hi Franny, great video yet again and we in Oz hope you are both well. Tell me, why are you torqueing up the bolt using the bolt head and not the nut please ?

[@HeidiandFranny]

That is a great point! I really need to be more careful of that. Thanks!

[@realbogus]

Looks awesome !!!!

[@HeidiandFranny]

Thanks!

[@ttmezger]

Another great video! I may have missed it, but why use copper anti-seize instead of the “silver stuff” (Permatex)?

[@HeidiandFranny]

I have heard it is better for brake and suspension parts, but I'm sure the silver would work just fine as well... I probably should research that a bit more ;)

[@clstravel]

Great video. Ive just finished the rear on my 328 and I will be doing the front this spring... so this video is excellent! Thank you... also did you get your nuts/bolts plated?

[@HeidiandFranny]

We did. We used Van Nuys Plating. They did lose a couple washers, but the quality of work and price was good.

[@conceptalfa]

👍 👍 👍!!!

[@apb3251]

Thanks for showing the positive and negative of this process. At which point did you know the shims needed to be altered at the top, was it by looking at them or by further research?

[@HeidiandFranny]

Further research. I just didn't remember four on one side on both the top and bottom. Since it was the first wheel I dismantled I hadn't quite locked down everything I needed to keep track of. I was better on the other side.

[@apb3251]

@@HeidiandFranny thank you and it is also possible that some previous repairs by someone else may have put them in the incorrect order, so well done for being so thorough in your checks. Your attention to detail is alike to Soup Classic Motoring channel.

[@997GURU]

Hmmmm....... Franny screws it up.. ???? must be the wine..... on the flip side i am working on my 997, Full powerflex bushing upgrade and KW V3 coilovers with PASM delete, about 50000000 F words

[@HeidiandFranny]

Suspension work can go super smoothly or it can be the absolute worst. It doesn't seem to know much middle ground. Sounds like yours will be AMAZING when it is done!

[@whberner]

Great video! Two questions... First, how did you get the car up on the jack stands? Do you jack up each corner individually and place the stands in place one-by-one or do you have a central front and rear jack location, so that the fronts can be done together and then the rear? I have a 328 which should be similar and I am about to do the exact same rebuild. (Also...I have a similar 4-post lift). Other question is who did you use to rebuild the Konis and springs? Thanks so much.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Hi Wade, I think I did one side at a time. BUT! Do what you feel comfortable doing. There are a few really good places to put the jack stands so that is bonus. I did steal a jack tray from another lift so I would have two. It is really solid which is essential because you may need to hork on some of those suspension components to get them off. The shocks were dome by PSI out in CA. We haven't said much about that because we did have some issues. Check out the next video and I explain what happened... Good luck on your rebuild! F

[@howardscott7521]

Fine work as usual. I'm surprised your lower shims are 4-0 side to side. I've seem em 3-1 and the usual 2-2, but 4-0 is a new one. My sample size is admittedly not large, so anything is possible! Curious as to who rebuilt the shocks.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Lou thought so too... I checked with another friend and his 308 is like mine with four on one side. The other side is three and one I think. It must have taken the factory hours just to install the suspension and get it aligned...

[@surfdaze]

I love it!!! :)

[@frankd2301]

Was the alignment correct when you took it apart?

[@HeidiandFranny]

That is n excellent question! I never felt anything off. It tracks really well at all speeds. Even the steering was pretty good. Also, the tires are wearing evenly so I would say it must be close. I will get it aligned when it is all done. It will be interesting to see...

[@frankd2301]

@@HeidiandFranny : yes because all the shims are based on the fact that it was correct before.

[@motosteggy3980]

doesn't the torque value change depending on where on the shaft of the spanner it's placed? The lever effect will increase or decrease the torque where its attached?

[@HeidiandFranny]

Not is kept at 90deg. The math is interesting. but basically, at 90deg there is no additional length and therefor just a transfer of the torque from the head of the torque wrench. Now, if you are at any other angle then you will need to reduce the wrench setting to compensate. Then the math gets even more interesting ;)

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

Can't you just use a crowsfoot directly on the torque wrench? I mean the spanner adaptor is nice and usable in lots of different situations but a set of crowsfeet is definitely worth keeping in the toolbox (Ducati 4v cylinder heads with a hidden nut....)

[@HeidiandFranny]

You sure can as long as it is 90° to the torque wrench or you will have to reduce your torque setting to accommodate the added length. I have a couple torque adapters that are essentially a longer closed-end cross foot. But, you can always adjust for the longer length - it will just take a minute to calc that.

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

@@HeidiandFranny Yep takes no time at all, useful wee things!

[@arongoldstein]

"never-sleaze"? haha

[@luigy_eb3231]

where did you find the torque numbers of everything?

[@HeidiandFranny]

It is a bear... I started with the service manual and went from there. Still, I've read that the manual has some errors in it :(

[@jjk3205]

Are you saying “never sleaze”?

[@Berbs73]

How much did you pay for that purdy shock? And btw, was this just an upgrade, or was the old suspension worn?

[@HeidiandFranny]

The shocks are original - just refurbished. We will do a complete pricing video at the end of the series :)

[@billstreber5194]

Aww torque adapter is not available at this time

[@HeidiandFranny]

Really? That's a bummer. It seems to come and go...

[@pgtmr2713]

"I'm pretty certain I know which ones go where." :-D The more certain I am, the further in I get before realizing it's all 180* out in 3 axies... possibly 4 or 5.

[@HeidiandFranny]

Lol!

[@oscillon]

Cross products aren't weird math ;-)

[@HeidiandFranny]

LOL!

[@Axelfl6161]

Only people who do nothing get nothing wrong😀

[@Axelfl6161]

Also it’s only a mistake when you leave it otherwise it’s a F@“@ moment😀😀

[@Kerry70]

Great video! You do such a wonderful job capturing all the angles to make sure we can see what you are doing; your editing process must take hours! Just in case you are interested, Car Wizard kzbin.info has a 308 he has been working on, including converting the mechanical distributor to an electronic system with a kit, which he mentions in the video. Can't wait to see it all back together!!! Any chance for a ride? LOL