Ferrari F12 TDF vs Ferrari 812 Superfast

How does the Ferrari 812 Superfast compare against the Ferrari F12 TDF? Find out in this head to head review of Ferrari's best V12 Super GT's
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[@timh1187]

British accent. Weird glasses. Screaming v12. Evil laugh at 3.55. Mr Jww as a name. Equals perfect James bond villain.

[@49fiori]

evil laugh at 13:55

[@I_can_hear_you_not]

But he doesn’t drive a jaguar 🤔

[@timh1187]

@@I_can_hear_you_not jaguar?

[@I_can_hear_you_not]

Timothy Hutton a James Bond villain always drives Jaguar

[@timh1187]

@@I_can_hear_you_not hahaha I was thinking James bond mostly rolls in an Aston Martin. I had to Google it. Xenia onatopp drove a 355 if that counts hahaha

[@BrazenNL]

There's such a disconnect between hearing the engine rev and seeing the RPM counter steady at 3000.

[@TRICKZzHD1]

I think he did it so he didnt show his speedo

[@janosch8145]

I’m with u mate ;) sounds great though!

[@EazyE373]

Jack C yeah I get that but he should just blur the speed so we can still see the revs and body movements etc

[@joeynice123]

Yep.. It wise for someone who makes a living driving and caring for supercars to not self incriminate by showing reckless speeds while moving about the the Queen's island.

[@mubblemann]

@@TRICKZzHD1 No shit Sherlock!

[@iainf6]

The most complete video on TDF and 812 I've yet seen. Brilliant James......👍👏👏👏

[@Steeee.Veeee.O]

Here here

[@Holt196]

15:26 trying to fool the authorities?

[@munraajmangat3534]

I love celebrating these v12’s while they last

[@EmmeCalde]

I love that the TDF pushes you back and forth at every gear change. Must be pure adrenaline

[@AB-80X]

It's not a good thing. It feels artificial and it basically seems like the car can't change gears. Here's a secret. Many TdF owners have had a TCU update done that makes the car much better in this regard. A big issue is that it actually upsets the car tremendously and brings it out of balance.

[@JayRicci7891]

I love both, but honestly I would happily pay the extra 500,000 quid for an F12 TDF. It just looks and sounds like a proper, outrageous, lunatic of a car. Ferrari at their absolute best.

[@JayRicci7891]

@aaron names Limited edition V12 Ferrari's are often the most desirable. Plus a lot of people who were lucky enough to get TDF's originally dont put too many miles on them, knowing a low miliage car will be highly sought after. Kind of annoying considering these things are built to be driven. Ferrari really need to pick their clients better to stop this shit from happening.

[@adodoes8770]

@aaron names not only do nearly all rare cars gain in value (especially limited edition ferraris), but i think that you had to own like 5 other ferraris to even be able to buy the tdf, meaning only a couple of people could actually buy it, only after that you add the 450k, which is the price of the car i think it was something like this maybe a car more or less, feel free to correct me if im wrong

[@Speednote10]

@Ranin Zadviylet They have free maintenence for the first 7 years so that's a non-factor. They should make more examples of their LE cars though which would probably encourage more people to drive them and not just store them in a garage to make money on them.

[@SS-bk2zb]

Looking at the prices there so many at 1,5 nowadays. Crazy what a profit James can make with his.

[@Speednote10]

@@SS-bk2zb Where are you seeing those prices? I just did a quick search and 16 out of the 17 tdf's I could find for sale in Europe have asking prices between €800k-1mil, and that includes a couple of RHD cars. The prices have come down in 2019 and as James has a very "standard" spec I doubt he would make any profit at all if he sold his car today.

[@supermonkey8221]

I think I got the same glasses, I use them when there is an eclipse ;)

[@daveb5211]

Or welding...

[@aljazbolta6132]

If you like to look ridiculous in your sunglasses look no further, these make you look like a total c*ck...

[@taylorjackson6084]

Aljaz Bolta stfu bitch

[@blyat7276]

what are their names?

[@jrgenjrgen1165]

£100k in options is without the TailorMade guys going berserk?

[@AB-80X]

Yes.

[@wormville11]

Can feel the increase in intake noise from the tdf through my phone vibrating 😍 another video smashed out the park James!

[@johnwhood5791]

If the price differential wasn’t so great and it was predominantly a track or short Sunday driver then the TdF. However in the real world as a GT with the odd track day then 812 all the way.

[@diogoramires6053]

The interior on the 812 OMG the combination of colors is amazing even though is the more tradicional spec it looks awesome

[@daniel16.4]

Any of them ❤ be honest i will be the happiest person on earth with a "stock" F12 Berlinetta.

[@Catroqui]

Finally 4k! Thank you James, outstanding content whit the proper resolution.

[@Maurice_Moss]

I'm glad the 2 cars had different colour interiors otherwise that would of got confusing 😅

[@SA-rz6fj]

'Would have gotten'.... how in the hell do people come up with mistakes like this?

[@SS-bk2zb]

@@SA-rz6fj I see it daily. Especially with brits. Of/have can't be so difficult to get right, but I guess not. Such an eyesore frankly.

[@chrisgattim774]

Great vid JWW! Thank you for all the facts and data! Always enjoying your content.

[@DJ_NOOB]

m8 your presentation skills have really stepped up over the past year. Fantastic video.

[@nappingj2457]

As always, amazing content. Keeps on getting better.

[@AndyWJP]

Where can I buy similar welding goggles?

[@victorionut9133]

I believe his sunglasses are Gucci

[@phymat1]

They look fairly similar to the Julbo Vermont Sunglasses that Jamie wears in Mythbusters.

[@roelhoutum6469]

Thom Browne and they are expensive....

[@bonganimiya7391]

hahahahaha

[@chrisbest84]

Another awesome video James! Keep it up mate..

[@animizetv7726]

And your leg!!!!, awesome effort James loved watching every second, so much detail, keep it up!!!

[@platinumman21]

Thank you James for another outstanding video! Also thanks for having another glorious Ferrari V12 video! I love hearing those engines!

[@TMY_GUY]

Awesome review & comparison Mr JWW. Thanks for talking to us like we were right there with you. Your technical expertise & vocab is second to none love your work!

[@hAxHomit]

Your content is just unreal! Keep going, James! enjoying every video 👌

[@ferraridan4883]

Great video! The TDF is the best modern day GT car ever. In yellow, black interior and chrome wheels; it gets no better, period. The only good looking yellow car ever made and probably the best color for a TDF.

[@ruipedrofernandes581]

Another brilliant one!!!!!! Great job James. Keep it up!

[@AnderParis]

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Thank you James! I was waiting for that match.

[@z4k1_zaki65]

Antoine Gresland Same

[@bneexotics2120]

Great video mate ! Cheers 👍

[@maxmarseille2777]

Loving the video James, but even more so those sunnies you're rocking. Which brand are they?

[@imoutofyourleague4299]

He mentioned them in a video a while ago, pretty sure they're a brand called Thom Browne 👍

[@iSwoRn7]

Amazing stuff, thanks for sharing as always

[@robertconner6212]

Really great and informative take on the two cars. Thanks!

[@bryansteed5916]

Such an awesome video comparing two great cars! I love your TDF way more than the Superfast! Well done on the best comparison video there will be of these two cars.

[@martinortiz575]

This is the best way of start your morning.... watching a Jww video of the TDF.

[@wooraahwooraah8076]

Nice video review. Fantastic job well done

[@ahmedmahdi1908]

Great review James, love both of these mechanical engineering masterpieces.

[@jackvisser]

TY for the Excellent and enjoyable Video

[@robertbrady7460]

I Excellent comparison review James Loved it as one of my all time favourites . can't wait to see a road trip with the Conti GT looking forward to that one . Excellent keep it up man

[@hit_thepdx_gym1940]

Such amazing content and knowledge. 👍🏻

[@MarkHossNorthwestrcclub]

WOW! 😲 Perhaps the Best 'Back to Back' comparison of these two cars there's ever been! The knowledge and driving skill is superb, And the cinematography of the filming is beyond awesome! 🙂 This is more like a TV show now James than a KZbin video, To say you're upping the game, is an understatement 😉 Fantastic stuff 🙂 For me, the FT blows the 'Superfast' out of the water, Both in Looks & Sound 🙂 But most importantly the driving pleasure and poise 🙂 I'd say you're a lucky guy, But you sir, definitely deserve all the best from this world 🙂 Thank you for doing such awesome content for us, And taking the time with the amazing editing 🙂 Keep up the great work 🙂👍 All the best, Mark 👍

[@coquio]

Thanks for putting this together. Great content.

[@Vartazian360]

13:57 James Evil Laugh

[@thiagobartolo]

Did you get a custom pvd buckle for your watch?

[@edgarmisplaced7924]

Another great video James, keep them coming mate. Have you given any thought of possibly doing a review of your Porsche Macan? I think you would give us viewers a proper look into that cars performance on a daily basis. All the best to you and your young family! Ed.

[@RenoveAutoService]

You’re a real journalist!!! Great idea to compare those both sisters Amazing cars the TDF stay have my preference I like your LGR sunglasses 😎

[@stephenlane9127]

Great video James. Best of both worlds there. Your TDF is Special! Well done 👍

[@Malaki420]

Can I ask you a Question, I Just received a New issue of Car and Driver while looking through it I came across a Photo of the 2022 Ferrari Purosangue their SUV. What's your thoughts on it should Ferrari have an SUV or should they stick with GT's, Supercars, Hypercars? The article say's it won't have a V12 most likely have a V8 with Hybrid assistance.

[@ConquerDriving]

I don't like to correct people but I thought you may be interested as I also used to make this mistake. Compression ratio doesn't affect engine braking as a higher compression ratio would also mean higher expansion when the piston is on the way down, so they balance each other out. For example diesels can have crazy high compression ratios without a lot of engine braking. Engine braking is cause by pumping loses, as the piston goes down it creates a vacuum between the piston head and the closed throttle body which causes the engine braking. Diesel engines don't have throttle bodies so engineers have to overcome this challenge, one method is the Jake Brake.

[@kisilvan]

Awesome vid. Would love either of those cars tbh. Great back to back 😁🤘

[@soliver206]

Another great video James. Glad to see you getting the TDF out👍👍👍

[@creyetivemedia]

Such a thorough review! Thank you. :-)

[@michaelshek8915]

Awsome back to back comparisons

[@andresbroberg862]

Damn! Speachless... Just amazing content again 🤯

[@johnmontag]

I've been following you since your first video..... You're still the best

[@jac1799]

Felt like I was actually driving them. LOVE your channel. Awesome how you've retained your modesty unlike some KZbinrs and appreciate £250k is 'serious coin'. Interior-wise; 812 in that spec or TDF? Also 720s or TDF?

[@ralphcoccio3799]

Awesome comparison. I've been waiting for that one.

[@paullockwood7219]

Really enjoyed this. Thanks James.

[@summitdetailing6697]

I'd take the TDF out of the two also....for the 'special-ness' that you mention. I think the rear view of the 812 is superb but the front end is not good. Keep up the top drawer video's. Cheers, Chris

[@moeshe500]

Mr JWW Now I see what you mean when you say the relationship between the engine and gearbox is ...SUBLIME!!!. It is next level that thing.

[@almafino]

WHAT a video James! Chapeau! So much fun to watch! Just keep going on this way!

[@Zed_Zone]

Brilliant vid... Superb editing and presentation , this is up there with tv shows like Top Gear!!

[@N1ch0la5C00p3r]

Great video with the switch between a cars

[@recruitmentwebsites]

F12 is so much better looking and you seem to have more fun in the F12.

[@zomglaserpewpew6773]

May I ask what brand of side shield sunglasses are you wearing?

[@shun.0]

Dude. Great video. Subbed.

[@joaoluistavares6046]

Thank you for this video. We all needed to watch these two together. Now let me point to your final verdict. I find it...100% true.

[@apexholland7427]

Great video!!

[@trutroops9656]

will there be a hardcore 812, such as 812 tdf or 812 speciale

[@richardhintonracing]

As they say prices can go down as well as up. In 1988/9 classic and supercar prices took a huge dive when economic factors dried up sales - these cycles always come round again.

[@user-di1hh4qy6r]

One of your best vids man

[@jimcole5359]

Very interesting comparison between the TDF and the Superfast James. One thing I don't understand though is why the tach was showing 4k or less when you were pushing the car to the 9k redline. Did you have to edit that in rather than capture it at the same time?

[@yamenaly3219]

I think the TDF has softer suspension because it is lighter in weight so the suspension doesn't have to keep as much weight lifted (if that makes any sense)

[@shaunlee189]

Reducing weight without adjusting the springs effectively increases the spring rate. So it should be the opposite.

[@yamenaly3219]

Shaun Lee I thought that the lighter the car the higher the spring rates put by the manufacturers to make it roll less ?

[@shaunlee189]

@@yamenaly3219 Let's say that the springs are constant in this situation. When a car is lighter, there's less weight transfer and the same suspension will react less which means less roll. When a car is heavier, there's more weight transferring around when accelerating, braking, cornering, etc. The same springs will have a greater reaction to those forces, leading to more body roll/pitch/dive. So to compensate for the heavier weight, manufacturers would increase the spring rates to cope. In this case, my guess is that Ferrari may have "overcompensated" the spring rates in the 812.

[@yamenaly3219]

Shaun Lee thanks for the info appreciate the help

[@Suvantador19]

I’ve been waiting for something like this! Thanks, now I know which car is cooler

[@R8andGT3Fan]

Loving the aggressive and deep engine note of the F12tdf! And it's the first modern Ferrari I REALLY like since 458 Italia (which I'm starting to appreciate...ten years later, I know). Lovely video! 😊

[@mehdimakboul9691]

Nice video, one question please, what are your sunglasses? ❤️

[@BMW7series251]

Thom

[@felixgarneau4303]

@mrjww I wanted to see again the video of the first drive of your second 458 Speciale, but in Canada, we can’t see it anymore... could you put the link in the response of this comment please?!

[@MrMarcello1990]

Absolutely brilliant mate! TDF certainly a ‘modern classic’ which is most certainly a gross understatement. Kudos to you James 👍🏼👌🏼

[@spook94az8]

@MrJWW what do you do for a living?

[@DIRBert]

Really good real life comparison. Tdf or CGT?

[@sayamahmed649]

The F12 still looks better in my opinion.

[@docmarc36]

812 = SuperUgly

[@harshgulzar8325]

Is it me or the tdf sounds much better than 812

[@30NLF]

harsh gulzar it would it’s a much rawer car.

[@tt55k]

harsh gulzar , I feel it does because it allows more engine noise into the car . From outside both sound phenomenal

[@mikekraft607]

TDF is unreal! Great video!

[@rossxjohnson]

Nice editing on that acceleration. Keeping it within the speed limit ;)

[@kenchenfpv3568]

I think you could really use an investment in a quality lavaliere mic--it will solve the problem of your voice being too washed out by the road and wind noise (as it is right now), and you can still use the DSLR mic for the engine sound.

[@bigjdm5460]

What I love about this guy is that I feel he understands the viewer can’t feel the experience of either car. So he describes things very well and he his very genuine, doesn’t try hard , he loves sports cars. Very good energy. Not to be negative but a lot of guys just get on a straight, hit the gas and start yelling how fast it is for every car and really dnt explain the character and feel of the car.

[@tgb-nm8yd]

A famous Ferrari owner in the Netherlands who put 80.000 km on his TDF says the 812 is a much better car once you get above 300 km/h. The TDF becomes very light on its feet at high speeds and the underbody aero on the 812 is just more advanced. His name is Thijs Timmermans.

[@albyg00]

This is going to be epic James 😍

[@mgrath01]

TDF looks and sounds better than Superfast...

[@projectr2451]

mgrath01 Both sound awesome. I also prefer the F12tdf. Ferrari’s V12 engines in the F12berlinetta, 812 Superfast, F12tdf, LaFerrari and LaFerrari FXXK are the best sounding V12 engines in my opinion.

[@Tkcb2799]

I think my honda looks better...

[@Tkcb2799]

Ben Mackay yea

[@Tkcb2799]

Ben Mackay nah I'm just joking I don't own a honda I just made this comment because I don't like how everyone always likes the older cars

[@johnlummis5119]

James, a confusing thing happened at 15;30 on the video when you were talking about mechanical tappits, you increased the revs significantly but the speed on your dash didn't increase by more than 1 mph from 56 to 57 mph then back down to 56, I just wondered why, the amount of engine noise and the visible increase through the windscreen indicated more than a 1 mph increase in speed, just asking

[@MrJWW]

It was just generic B-roll overlay to give you a sense of being in the car not the actual footage of what was happening at the time

[@johnlummis5119]

ah ok, thank you for replying so quickly and I understand that, regards, john

[@mauroloureiro1781]

@9:10 You can see how much respect he has for Chris Harris when he takes off the sun glasses to make an apologize. That shows the character of a man 👏👏👏

[@Kioken911]

I remember when just the normal f12 came out I about lost my mind and when the tdf came out I cried and now with the 812 I'm just a mess the three v12s wow great video sir

[@targaflorio3239]

Great watch and very informative. Always at your best IMO when expressing your Ferrari ownership experiences. TDF for me. All day long.

[@yousafshaikh6222]

Who on planet earth, dislikes this sorta eargasmic stuff. It's brilliant!

[@philipguacci6452]

Ah, the V12 symphony. Che Bella Machina. I got a ride in the neighbours Jaguar XJ with 12 cylinders in the 1970s. It did not sound like the Ferrari, but boy she pulled away fast! A rare experience.

[@sammyriding]

Love your jacket man. Where can I buy a similar one? Thanks!

[@3arsa15]

Where are your sunglasses from if you don't mind me asking? Very cool.

[@sclems4]

Simply awesome comparison.

[@dr.qwertz1167]

At 15:24 I thought your Rev Counter was broken for a second

[@utkarshkaushik617]

most anticipated comparison of this century

[@joelmorningstar3645]

Thanks for the amazing video here J, this felt much shorter than 20 minutes because I was so enthralled all the way through. P.S. I see a lot of people commenting on the 3k rpm footage while J was giving an example of the high revs of the tdf. My opinions on this (copied from a reply I left) are simple. He didn't have a go pro camera on hand while he did that huge pull. You may notice he randomly does pulls according to how clear the road is of other vehicles etc. That spontaneous opportunity grab on public roads would get in the way of any basic filming plan he might've had. I agree it is jarring and he didn't need to edit in a speedometer "Just Cuz" revvss, but I don't believe he's trying to sell anyone anything here. I'm sure the majority of his viewers can't afford anything near a Ferrari and thus he "carries us along the journey" (as he always says) for the sake of giving us a peek into a life dissimilar to ours.

[@hardf1fan255]

Is the left weel drive tdf less valuable than the right weel drive .. does that count ?

[@MrJWW]

Yes - RHD carry a further premium