FFXIV Dawntrail - I Reviewed a Game Journalist's Job Tier List

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[@Mrhappy1227]

The original article has been taken down since this recording. While I am poking a bit of fun at it here as well, I do not condone any targeted harassment of individuals who produce things like this. Please feel free to agree or disagree but take it more as an opportunity to be involved with discussions more than an opportunity to attack an individual directly.

[@dazzlemasseur]

I can't believe people would get so upset to target the journalist directly.

[@ZombieSlayerTakashi]

I have a feeling it was more cause of overwhelming accusations of AI

[@DavidTheGamer27]

​@@ZombieSlayerTakashihonestly, that was my first thought is that this article was written by A.I. and that's why it doesn't have a lot of opinion and just restates what job changes happened.

[@autotwilo]

honestly deleting this video and not doing something like this again might be for the best

[@DavidTheGamer27]

@@autotwilo why? This was a fun video.

[@Galdamon]

I am all but sure that this article was written by an AI.

[@DarthStuticus]

I am sure sure.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

​@@DarthStuticusI am surer than a normal sure person could be sure.

[@alexandermysels4027]

one hundred percent.

[@codywilson2733]

That is absolutely it

[@DavidTheGamer27]

@@Galdamon Same. But I'm pretty sure most of that site is written by A.I. these days.

[@brandonkey8065]

I used to write for GameRant. This was intentional to draw more attention to it for ad revenue.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

Works every expac on content creators.

[@DavidTheGamer27]

@@brandonkey8065 Was this before, or after, the A.I. writing bots took over?

[@maegnis]

This article was SO weird is had to have been an AI article.

[@PatriotArro]

I think most of thegamer articles are AI generated. They're incredibly generic and often wrong.

[@Yoonoh]

Idk, it feels similar to the articles we had back in endwalker launch and that was before the whole ai craze iirc?

[@bighatastrea]

It feels more like these generic [insert relevant word for your article here] articles where they are required to use "Final Fantasy XIV" 20 times in 100 words so it just sounds awkward. Or these gacha game articles where they dissect it into multiple parts with headlines, and only the last has something about the actual topic. Before that they're like "What is Final Fantasy XIV? Final Fantasy XIV is a MMO made be Square Enix. Final Fantasy XIV released in...", "What is a job? A job in Final Fantasy XIV is pretty much your class. When you equip another jobstone in Final Fantasy XIV, you can play as another job, or class", "With the release of the Expansion for Final Fantasy XIV (summary about Dawntrail)..." It's so annoying lmao

[@Killinshots]

dancer is S tier because its fun to play, which is the only metric that matters

[@diogoroquemarques7904]

once you ho dancer you dont go back there’s a reason for that 💅

[@yung-tuwei2284]

0:58 the fucking glow up is insane!

[@Kirianda]

not even the same person anymore damnn

[@Wolfenstien321]

Where is he keeping the real Happy Hostage?!?!

[@veemon9009]

Bro went from chad on the inside to chad on the inside and outside

[@gloss975]

bro turned into ffxiv derplander

[@MrTkmcmill]

I thought I was being scammed lol…just recently getting into ffxiv I’ve watched a ton of mrhappy…so when I clicked on this video I was like who the hell is this?! lol

[@FUBARGunpla]

as a reaper main whose been absolutely eating this expac, being in C tier is fucking gold. top of the charts C tier gang!!

[@MagiRemmie]

As a Samurai, I feel that.

[@FUBARGunpla]

@@MagiRemmie hahah Aaah gotta love it, we might be some of the toughest classes right now, yet... C tier. Lolol

[@KaedysKor]

Ya, Reapers were already amazing in EW, and their additions just leaned into that. Literally top of the Ex DPS charts atm...C tier. Yaaaa...

[@FUBARGunpla]

@@KaedysKor rofl not a word of a lie, we have a just involved enough rotation to feel enjoyable without being overwhelming, our kits versatile and we're cranking mad dps, i just will never understand some of these games journalists

[@ShadowWolf289]

19:25 I've kinda noticed it too. Seems like they have some really odd animation locking at the end of the animation that occasionally makes them feel a little awkward. Most of the time I find they're ok, but every now and then I notice what feels like a little hiccup between "I've dashed into range" and "Now my next skill is going off"

[@Lorkdemper]

Agreed. DRK's almost feels like a GCD, it's that bad.

[@Asari547]

@@Lorkdemper its a pity, the jumps were so fluid, and now we have those awkward feeling dashes

[@Ti7Vk3y]

Yeah, there is a terrible delay on the new gap closers. My moves dont come out smoothly before and after gap closing on Viper. I gotta really spam a lot to get my moves to come out and it feels super bad. 😢 Wish this was addressed for their planned balance patch.

[@CulturedDegenerate]

Chat GPT working overtime over at Gamerant

[@hiddenmaster6062]

Scholar is still extremely strong. Whomever is saying they are broken or their kit doesn't work with itself does not understand how any of it works and commonly worry about NOTHING. Like fey union. SOme people complain that they get anxiety over whether or not it's charged by the time they "need" it. Almost all of us forget it's even there and it's usefulness in most extreme or savages is constantly down the drain while we need to AoE heal all of the time. To be complaining about not having Fey Union on time is about as silly as complaining about not having Affluent Misery up on time. Everything the bosses do is set on a 30, 60, 90, 120 second intervals, that everything tends to line up on their own, as long as you are using your abilities to mitigate damage, increase damage, and ultimately reduce the impact of mistake or mechanics. Scholar especially excels at simply breaking mechanics and their newest seraphism ability is no exception. Plus Seraphism makes SCHs GOD for 15 seconds. They heal everyone automatically by simply existing. Everything except broil and physick are instant cast. Adlo is upgraded and emergency tactics can be spammed infinitely, allowing you to do massive pure healing. Yes Seraphism doesn't work with eating the fairy, but that's no reason to say it's broken. That's like saying trying to attack with your knives while using mudra insta-fails the mudra there by making ninja broken. OR saying the same thing about paladin's sword of valor combo. Just stop, bro. Seraphism makes it easy to forget you have limited MP with how good it is. And there's some nitwits who think the fairy's position is at all a problem. The fairy doesn't lag behind, she's where you ACTUALLY are on the server. You appear further than anyone else can see you and that's simple internet 101. The AoEs reach damn near the whole stage. Eos prioritizes the owner first followed by the most injured player, so just like with Sage's Kardia, if someone else gets hurt, HEAL THEM STUPID! Embrace is an instant cast, so Eos being on the move is never a problem. It's only a problem for fey union which has a huge range but should never be used during long treks down a god damn hallway. Only at the end of the pull. Scholar is loaded with so many auto-heals it's absurd how anyone think they're bad. If you try to play SCH like Sage, you will suck. If you try to play Sage like Scholar, you will suck.

[@zeelyweely1590]

The fairy position is never an issue anyways because all pet actions can be used without a weave window, even while casting.

[@SuperShesh2]

now to say the fairy position can't be a problem is a massive overstatement, and just saying "It's where you actually are" doesn't change how it feels. I'm a scholar main and I have had *way* too many instances in dungeons where I'm caught up to the tank and not even *I* get the regen. That being said, the fairy's ability to move recently made me extremely happy in ex2 because I can move the fairy to the other platform and we split healing tasks. And *that* feels good and I desperately wish there was more content in the game that let me do that. And yeah, the Seraphism ability is bonkers and lets me be the primary healer which is funny. And good because healers are currently a myth whenever I go to do the ex's and I've gotten bad ones the last 3 times.

[@hiddenmaster6062]

@@SuperShesh2 It's not. The only times it's ever a problem is if you set the fairy too far away. In big pulls. You got excog and adlo is so short a cast, it won't be a problem unless your tank is a fucking idiot not using their cooldowns or moving his ass like he was supposed to. And I don't mean moving when the fight is "almost" over cuz that's just screwing all of you. The only way I can see you created such a scenario that the fairy actually fell behind, is that you activated 2 or more of her moves before the tank stopped. You don't do that. The fairy can't move and cast spells at the same time, including embrace. She moves faster than you, even while sprinting. It's impossible for her to fall behind unless you made her stop. You need to wait for the pull to stop to start using her moves. Until then, use excog, adlo, lustrate or physick. Unless you are over 15 yalms behind the tank, hard casting isn't going to put you too far behind.

[@TheNewThrone]

The article reads more like an opinion piece listing personal favorite jobs

[@VideoHostSite]

As would ANY "Tier List".

[@birgerz360]

​@@VideoHostSite nah, one can make one just as a data aggregate

[@MGC-XIII]

Honestly, I take all tier lists as opinion. Notice how different tier lists are often are.

[@TheNewThrone]

@@MGC-XIII this is the first tier list of theirs that I've seen actually lol so i didn't know how their other ones were presented

[@jowest99]

All the new Gap closers they implemented in DT feel very samey, and don't feel great to press. :/

[@OmegaShanic]

To summarize and discuss Red Mage as a casual player, the additional changes are largely: the same requirements for the aoe melee combo, a new OGCD tied to the 2 minute, another OGCD tied to Manification upon completion of the combo, and Acceleration now granting an additional instant spell through Grand Impact. So it's largely the same gameplay as Endwalker, with a couple new instants thrown into the mix that can take a second to get used to (for AoE, you essentially Impact twice before you would Acceleration again, as the first will be Grand Impact while the second will be your free Impact). The problem with Red Mage is two fold: 1) Pictomancer is doing significant damage, and so either Red Mage, Black Mage, and Summoner need potency buffs or Picto needs a potency nerf (or both), and 2) with more instants, that's less casting, and less casting diminishes our opportunities to even be the resurrect mage without gutting our DPS, which was already a problem from Endwalker. I would much rather they double down on the resurrection mage by either letting us interrupt our rotation to res without breaking our abilities, or just flat instant res, no pre-cast required. I prefer either of those over gutting resurrection, as current Black Mage is what happens if you're choosing to be Picto's "other option" with no resurrection, and/or probably a look at what Picto's damage should actually be after changes. Whichever is worse.

[@Silvershadowfire]

I agree, Red Mage is about where it was in Endwalker. As a casual RDM main, once I got used to the new spells it really wasn't much different than through Endwalker. I also agree they should double down on the 'rez mage' thing. That's what the community sees it as, and changing that will only anger the RDM mains. Then I got on Summoner and I felt like I was hitting mobs with a wet noodle. The heck? I don't have it up to 100 yet but it feels weak. Pictomancer, again I don't have levelled all the way, but when I am *easily* KOing mobs that are seven or eight levels over my head, something's off. Black Mage I haven't touched yet. It was my main before RDM and just reading over the changes makes me sad.

[@hats1642]

In truth, S tier is whichever job you like the most.

[@HyouVizer]

Facts 💯

[@Kaze91]

As a Viper main, yeah, Slither has insane delay now that you mention it. If you use it anywhere close to an enemy, you cant do anything for way too long. The ranged attack also has alot of delay from my experience. Both of those could use some QoL delay reduction.

[@CorynSilver]

As a DRK main, yes. Shadowstride has some crazy delay, sometimes I’ll click it twice just cuz I’m spamming the button until I get into range, and then it uses both charges after I stopped clicking, and it feels like even after it’s done, my GCDs come out a little later than expected.

[@Talcor]

samurai being so low is absurd, it hits like an absolute truck rn. They increased the potency of both ogi and midare and then gave them a buffed midare so now they hit for 2,040 guaranteed crit every minute its insane. Their 2 minute does so much damage.

[@dazzlemasseur]

But it's so boring to play. And they have the worst lb3 out of everyone.

[@Talcor]

hard disagree, except the lb its meh

[@lethaltoconcrete2194]

Samurai lost a lot of its flexibility and with it, its skill ceiling. The new attacks feel satisfying to pull off, but tying Meiko to Tsubame makes the job a lot more rigid and doesn't feel great. Even if they wanted to unlink them, though, the Tendo buff being given by Meikyo means that the problem wouldn't be totally solved (short of adding another button, which they very clearly don't want to do). IDK, I'm personally not a fan of the design there, but I'm admittedly still having fun on the job.

[@bananafishbones5724]

I haven't watched the video yet but I cannot believe how good you look these days. Keep up the good work.

[@AaronthePedantic]

WHM is S-Tier because I can keep everyone alive and do good damage while barely even looking at the screen

[@katnerd6712]

Honestly, I think most players in FFXIV choose the class they main because they simply like it aesthetically or enjoy how it plays rather than whether it's the "best of the best". Having a class be "good" rather than "great" is fine usually in this game. I'm a Dragoon main and the rework scared me. I'm glad how the class plays hasn't changed much. I may be playing Dancer for DT, however because I kind of enjoy how...well...easy it is. neither of these classes are "top tier" but I enjoy how they play. I also level Paladin for my tank class, simply because I enjoy the aesthetic, I know Warrior is more powerful, durable, and easier to play, but I just like the shield. As long as the classes can do the job, I'm fine. From what Happy said Monk is a problem right now and needs addressing or it may get the exodus of Monk players that Summoner got when it was revamped, though for different reasons (I used to be a Summoner main and quit playing it much because it was simply boring after the revamp).

[@WaterLockser]

its definitely what sets the game apart from others I feel. everyone in most other games only play "the meta" but in FF if you truly dedicate your time to the class you want to play most you can out perform those who play the "meta" classes

[@CubicleJ0ckey]

Yeah I hate the meta in this game. There’s no flavor at all, it’s just “DPS number high (or low)”. It’s so shallow. Patch updates for EW were pretty much only potency changes. I’m sort of embarrassed that the changes to most jobs in DT were just “here’s another ogcd.” I’m glad I still haven’t leveled up all of the jobs so that I still have something “different” to do beyond the MSQ, glam grind, and if I decide to stay subbed to raid.

[@miken.1705]

As a RDM main i feel like everything is ok nothing really exciting though what i was hoping for this expansion was Vercure II, reduce Magic Barrier to 60sec and add a regen, and a debuff for enemies. This way to buff up its position as a support dps

[@malenbadger7733]

As a rdm main last tier, as much as i agree with everything said especially after seeing alisae whipping out the vermedica in duty support, the fact sum got another heal in their kit along with phoenix tells me SE is making them the healer and rdm purely the reser

[@miken.1705]

@@malenbadger7733 yea i can see that it is unfortunate though while rezzing is important i dont think it should be all a RDM should be about though, i would have said support skills that give Bravery/faith, or haste ect But the game doesn't really lean to that style of caster

[@reiyun]

Putting Reaper in C over Deaths Design is wiiiiild. I don't like it either but still like really?

[@the.duck.is.ronin.]

Isn't Reaper currently the highest DPS job other than Picto?

[@SyphinPolaris]

@@the.duck.is.ronin. viper is higher than reaper rn, but reaper viper and picto are eating really good.

[@the.duck.is.ronin.]

@@SyphinPolaris As a VPR main and RPR secondary, this makes me happy

[@CoyoteX5]

@@the.duck.is.ronin. highest RDPS

[@ShimoKuma]

Have a feeling the Tillana change happened because people figured out how to keep standard step uptime without actually using it outside of pulling since it was a DPS loss from the media tour leaks. Really hope they change it to just give a use of dance of the dawn and take the gauge cost away entirely.

[@Tivery]

I wanna comment on two things, Monk and Black Mage. Without really talking about damage stuff, but more play style Monk actually went up alot for me, because of the chnages in Dawntrail I ACTUALLY feel i understand it now. With the new gauge for one and the postionals being the combo enders. I actually wanna lvl it now (im like around 60 now) Black Mage, I have been trying and...I just can't. Especially with Picto out now. It just overshadows it for me. Starry muse vs Leylines: Starry is bigger for maneuvarbility, has a party buff, and charges that lead to a big attack at the end. Movement: Picto being able to have an omnidirectional dash not tied to targeting a party member is way more intuitive Resource management (painting vs elemental gauge): while i still feel odd when taking moments to paint, it's stillbetter to have a permanent painting over trying to manage the elemental gauge with as short a time as it has. The error window feels very small and im also just not sure at all what i should be casting when with blm compared to any other caster or job for that matter

[@Road_to_Dawn]

That’s my exact problem with BLM too. I’ve always loved SMN and RDM. Caster is my favorite role. PCT is probably my new favorite job in the game. I wish I liked black mage. I leveled it over time and it’s been sitting at 80 since before Endwalker. I just don’t like how rigid it seems to me, and I feel like you have to be casting the right things at just the right way with basically no wiggle room at all. I have never felt like I was playing it correctly, and I’ve never really understood what I was doing with it. I don’t mind complexity; summoner was like my favorite job in the game before being completely changed in Endwalker, and it was infamous for being complicated. But I’d always loved it because despite its complexity, I always felt like I knew what I was doing and that I had room for error. I’ve been playing FF14 since 2.0, and black mage has never felt good for me to play. It’s like the only caster I don’t like, and I think that’s a real shame.

[@Frostbyte115]

Ive not noticed the end lag on Slither. I will test in Drk when i get to it

[@Raika63]

I kind of think the range increase might be on the oGCDs for movement reasons, similar to gunbreaker continuation (5 yards)

[@Tsuba_Nick]

“That’s a lot of words that don’t really mean anything” as said by Haps around 8 minutes is the best description of AI generated text.

[@lushen952]

IMO there is actually a way of tier listing jobs in XIV...but it's not what you think. Has nothing to do with their potential but rather how low their skill ceiling is. Jobs like SMN are always going to be better than BLM b/c it requires less thinking to perform. You don't need damage to clear fights you need consistency..the more a job rotation takes out of you the less consistent you will be. That doesn't mean there aren't BLM's that are better than SMN's but if that same player were as committed to SMN as they were to BLM they would probably be more consistent. The 1-5% differential between job DPS is completely insignificant.

[@justynburgess2557]

idk if it's lag or not but Slither feels delayed so much sometimes. I noticed it in the 97 dungeon on the final boss the most, during the 4x slash back and forth attack Slither when used would teleport me right to the boss even if out of range, but if used in range itll be like half way there and no further

[@ErzaMan14]

I will say this about dark knight from a casual perspective, I’ve had a great time with it in dungeons both tanking and healing them. Whereas a couple weeks ago it was my least favorite dungeon tank

[@backslash4141]

I almost think they should do with dark knight what they have with the regen/shield healer dichotomy. Have either dark knight or gunbreaker gain a better focus on self-sustain and the other on resistance and shields. Then we can have 2 splits on the tanks: fast tanks (drk & gnb) and slow tanks (pld & war), and then shield tanks (pld & probably gnb) and 'drain' tanks (war & probably drk)

[@mathewkloepfer664]

I feel the heart in what you're saying here, but I respectfully disagree. DRK's defining feature is and should be TBN. This should be irrespective of other jobs/tanks. Homogenization is already way too ubiquitous and we need to lean back into job identity rather than solely role identity.

[@silvergrove8517]

What, so that we can spend the patch cycle hearing about how much every job is homogenized again? Hard pass.

[@isawarenshi]

Did they take the article down? I get a 404 error of I try I look it up myself.

[@iamjps]

nice video man!

[@user-nv6zd2gq6k]

It just sounds like those websites that do tier lists for mobile games. They don’t really play the game they just go by basic archetypes and list them according to “on paper” descriptions.

[@kenshokram]

I thought it was pretty clear it meant that Dancer contrasts with both machinist AND other more selfish DPS.

[@cr082080]

I don't think Picto is overtuned at all and logs prove this. They are n0.1 in one extreme but the other they are middle of the road. They do huge numbers but people seem to ignore the fact that they have high cast times and if they arnt able to stand still to paint then they arn't doing that big dmg. People see big crits and automatically scream overtuned.

[@Road_to_Dawn]

That’s pretty true. They have cast bars on a lot of their stuff, the reductive paint spells are particularly demanding, and the cast times on painting motifs is a bit higher than normal IIRC, which is needed for like more than half your damage alone. You’ve gotta find some serious time to sit still in order to be effective. It’s like with dancer having big damage to balance out their time spent doing QTE dances.

[@craigpridemore7566]

I play ninja and monk and, once I switched to 'non-standard' Monk I LOVED it! Wondering how they're going to screw me at 7.01, if their fix will be worse than the problem. Ninja. Still kicks butt and takes names. Very happy with the haste ability becoming a trait. Loving it as much as my Reaper now.

[@arc4382]

Gamerant and game8 stand out to me as sites clearly using AI to write tons of articles quickly. I do not use them if I can avoid it.

[@OldManInternet]

I like game8's wiki for Monster Hunter stuff, but I never even knew they had articles like this lol

[@AnnoyingSquib]

As a DRK main, I am finding that Shadowstride not doing at least a little damage will often cause enemies Im opening on to barrel past me as I use unmend and then shadowstride to meet them. Then we both have to turn and face each other compared to plunge when I could stop an enemy mid stride so yeah. I hope that gets fixed soon. I am loving the chunky new delirium rotation though.

[@mugendono23]

Gamerant is just chat gpt trash.

[@ItsGattsu]

GameRant is a content mill, not a games news site.. so this article was most likely written by ChatGPT and not a journalist. This is why you're finding it's never specific about WHY a job is good.

[@raarasunai4896]

My own tiger list is a little skewed by weird ping issues. Some jobs have 1.5 GCDs for burst, and some of those, I can weave without issue(Red mage melee combo with Flèche and Contra-six, machinist with heat blast into Gauss round, dancer with Standard step into a Fan Dance), but others I cannot weave without clipping(machinst heat blast into ricochet, Dancer Techical Finish into Devilment into anything) and I cannot even think about double weaving Monk. I’m fairly sure these are limitations of the PS4, but that aside, they are still fun to play, even if I cannot optimize them due to latency issues

[@Luca-re3ve]

talking bout healer i gotta be host i played both sch and sge, i really like them both new sage skill is so satysfying to use and god if it can top people off. I honestly like sch more but the fact that the majority of their spell does no synergyze and interact well one another its really bad. Feels bad to play with a class that is not synergic with himself so i will probably say that even tho i think sch is more fun to play at the same time feels bad to play compared to sage

[@barisaxman2]

As a more casual player, i am loving Bard this expansion. I feel like it gets a lot more procs, especially for trash pulls. I may be completely wrong though.

[@dean0730]

I agree my aeo procs feel so much more common and consistent now

[@WoofDaLock]

Yes the new DRK and GNB have a really awkward animation lock problem that doesn't feel good. It is very annoying.

[@Road_to_Dawn]

26:04 Wait, two Celestial Oppositions?! Did AST get that? I haven’t leveled AST in DT yet but I know we got a second Celestial **Intersection** at 88. Is that what Haps means here? Because a second charge of Opposition, while REALLY nice, would be kinda broken AF. Also, about monk… yeah, shit’s borked and they were just flat-out negligent with it. I can’t argue with that. And I could be wrong but best I can tell, with Anatman being removed they put nothing in its place, so you just get absolutely nothing when you reach 78, and there’s just a big hole there now? Feels bad man. But IMO the job is just so much fun that it can’t be dipped below B tier at the most extreme. But that’s also my personal bias because MNK has always been my favorite melee lol

[@ofcatarina]

Rough divide becoming trajectory is a pure upgrade. Now we have a movement ability....

[@Tsuba_Nick]

2 things. 1. Working with AI daily, I am 100% certain this article was in most part AI generated 2. Love you Haps!

[@redbearington3345]

I liked rdm a lot on controller but that was the expansion I switched to kb/m and dont like it on kb/m My ranking list would mostly be subjective and MCH has always been the bottom of the bottom for me, but I think Viper might dethrone it from that "honor" picto just feels gimmicky and just adding stuff to the hb for no real reason. Like why is it 2 skills to cast 1 spell? 2.0-5.55 I was a dps, but as of 6.0 been feeling more and more just want to be a healer and Sage is definitely my favorite.

[@Lorekeeperhaos]

On the new dashes, not sure. Trajectory felt a bit off sometimes and fine other times, but generally what I end up seeing is DPS sprinting past me and thus making the jump useless. The lack of aggro gen on it is an issue though. No comment on DRK's Shadowstride. On Viper, Slither feels just fine in my experience aside from in PvP. In PvP it feels like there is a noticeable delay. Can't say anything about DRG's SSD replacement.

[@Scerttle]

17:40 it's awkwardly worded but that's how I took it. They're saying it doesn't do as much damage as machinist... and other selfish DPS. Not that it IS a selfish DPS.

[@Scerttle]

19:40 yeah none of them feel great.

[@Scerttle]

32:10 haps being far too generous to this article lmfao

[@nathanrichardson8263]

This list sure was something to read 😂 On the topic of the gap closers though, I find them to be VERY clunky now. If I used my gap closer to get closer to ads in a pull it takes a sec to use the next GCD and sometimes an enemy slips past me and hits a teammate. I'll have to get used to it still but it feels a bit rough personally to use practically these days.

[@1Shayz1]

I feel like the context of this tier list was extremely casual content like Fate farming.

[@jameysotelo540]

to be honest as a person who has actively played with this person, i can basically confirm that that is essentially what they do. they haven't touched anything higher than normal/ally raids and believes logs are not important and that its only a thing for a very very very small amount of the playerbase and its against TOS

[@dazzlemasseur]

​@@jameysotelo540so they're talking for the silent majority . And from what I've heard, the loud minority aka savage raiders disagree with him a lot.

[@Pentvon]

Happy looks like the WoL in Dt trailer

[@raymond314]

WHM is definitely more popular compared to AST and it is insanely flexible during mechanics intensive sections of a fight. Their gcd heals are on demand, powerful, good range and dps neutral / gain on downtime. Hardly any planning required and excellent mobility. All the things you listed about AST is not flexibly but just bloat and clunk. ED is pretty much the only good thing about AST and having more ogcds on a weave intensive job is a downside not an upside. Macro is worse than Lilybell in 95% of the situation, if you manual detonate Macro its a dps loss. Horoscope is dps loss compared to plenary. Currently Lightspeed has to be used for 2min and you can't ogcd heal during 2min because of how busy you are. There are much more but the only gain you have as AST is "More dps".

[@ravynx]

Plunge and Rough Divide should have remained but remove the damage-potencies; they both felt great before. Not sure why they changed the action entirely.

[@MGC-XIII]

I just switched from Viper to Machinist as my main xD (speaking of missing defensives, Viper has none) I like Gunbreaker, but my healer main gf says they're the worst to heal in dungeons apart from DK's, but that is most likely due to the DK's not healing themselves or using defensives. To me Gunbreaker plays like a DPS like Warriors do. She also said that Astrologian doesn't feel as good to play anymore, she was really into Astro in Endwalker.

[@AlphaoftheDeluge]

GNB main here, your gf's not wrong, the job is much more reliant on the healer than Paladin or especially Warrior. It has more self-heal than DRK, especially once Heart of Corundum unlocks, and DT's Great Nebula only bolsters that. But no, it does not compare to WAR and PLD's self-sustain... and that's not really a huge deal. If you use mitigations properly and have a solid healer backing you up, you should be fine. ...as long as you don't use Superbolide at the wrong time, of course.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@AlphaoftheDeluge I myself found it easier to play Warrior (lvl 90) but both Gunbreaker and Dark Knight (lvl80) was a lot of fun to play, aesthetically I like the Gunbreaker more.

[@ShifterVampire]

About Dancer - really? It does reads to me as "Dancer contrasts selfish dps", not as "dancer is a selfish dps". Like, maybe it's my ESL or maybe it's how people talk in NA, but if I would see "X contrasts with Y and with Z" I would read it as "X contrasts with Y and X contrasts with Z" and not as "X contrasts with Y and X is Z". Like, it's changing "with" to "is"

[@SnarkyLesbian]

This is was a really good video, incidentally in opposition to Xenos' video, whose entire argument for every single entry is "Loor Mr Journalist, Parses!" because what makes a good and fun job is only determined by whatever people parse on Trials right now. You discussing changes and playstyle on the other hand is much more important and has more insight than "Best class is what currently best dps score lol."

[@anjoumaaka]

I guess I like dark knight too much cause I haven't really noticed too much clunkiness with shadowstride. Like yeah, it's not as snappy as Plunge, but it's not that bad. With how long the trash packs last in these new dungeons, Shadowed Vigil is actually proving to be better than it looks like on paper, but it is definitely still not quite enough. Overall, dark knight is better than it's ever been in the dungeons, so at least it has improved since Endwalker.

[@Borreas]

"Drawn like a fly to a bright light" brother I made a six pack laughing to this 😂😂😂

[@poweruppikawho9007]

I'm enjoying the changes to BLM for the most part. Flare Star having an extended cast time feels a little bad but with swiftcast being up more often and good triple cast usage that's mitigated somewhat. Thunder changes are nice. My biggest complaint is that your leylines sometimes come off cd at pretty awkward times in your rotation, depending on the fight specifics. Like in EX2 my 2nd leyline is coming off cd while I'm almost done with a fire phase rotation so I wonder if it's just a gain to hold it until after ice phase or if I should use it with a xenoglossy and get the use with a mana font. However, as much as the feel of BLM is, to me, much improved...I look at the stats for ex1 and ex2 and die a little inside when I see blm is doing comparable damage to *red mage*. There is definitely a reason Yoshi-P has said they're buffing blm potencies before savage. Ideally we get 20 potency on fire IV and 60 potency on Flare Star. Our lvl 100 capstone skill with an extended cast time shouldn't be doing the same damage as our lvl 80 instant cast skill. Especially when we don't have an easy way to get our 6 astral soul stacks to make sure it comes out under raid buffs.

[@dzATL]

I personally hate Flare Star. You want to talk about rigidity now in classes? Look no further than BLM. Literally you added a capstone lvl 100 ability that gives you an Audio and Visual cue to the player when it's ready that is SUPER distracting considering it's never right to use it right away. It's always better to cast despair THEN Flarestar to reset your Fire Enochain. It also is super punishing now if you mess up or there's let's say a boss changing flip to switch areas and your Enochain drops. I think they were trying to make BLM more approachable, but now, IMO, have made it arguably the highest skill floor in the entire game bar none. Not only do you have this super rigid rotation that you are severely punished for going off script, you also have 3 second cast times and have to stand still for large portions of the fight when literally every other class sans 1 doesn't have to deal with. You also elminated essentially 4+ seconds of your fire enochain timer since you are generally opening with F3P and then cast "Paradox" as instant-casts. There's also this problem right now where it is arguably the only caster DPS that wants spell-speed, so it makes it tougher to gear since you can use 1 set for the other 3. It also has sync issues with raid buff timers as you stated since you're not always in fire phase or close to a proc. Need I say more? The class is in absolute shambles right now and the DPS isn't even there to justify bringing it. IMO it should be the highest DPS Caster above Picto as Picto atleast brings a damage buff to the group AND it doesn't have access to rez. It doens't need small potency buffs, it needs major ones. Also, Flare Star needs a redesign.

[@poweruppikawho9007]

@@dzATL Making flare star an instant cast would be wonderful, but I don't know how realistic it is. Juicing the potencies is a given, I just don't know how much Square would consider "appropriate", which is why I lowballed with 20 in fire 4 and 60 in flare star, since I feel they're typically very stingy with potency buffs. If I could have whatever potency buffs I wanted, it'd be 30 to fire 4, 40 to despair, and 80 or more to flare star. Maybe 10-20 potency on xeno just for good measure. I'd also really like to see a way to instantly get a flare star cast, but I have the odd feeling we won't be seeing that until 8.0 ala amplify. Some way to store your astral souls for when a boss goes into extended downtime that forces you to umbral soul or lose enochian also feels like a must. Or maybe just make a fire version of umbral soul that just keeps your enochian rolling in fire phase.

[@gendai_ronindgr]

Personally i main whm war blm and sam because theyre the safest bet, all of them are solid A tiers that probably wont ever go down, basically what most would imagine the main role should behave. And i think thats good because most people would want to play them and they let you do the most fuck ups (besides blm)

[@lucasstephens5003]

I'm enjoying PCT so much that I'm afraid they're going to overcorrect it to "balance" it. Also, having to hardcast motifs does create a lot of inconvenient times during long fights, so I think it hits harder to compensate for that.

[@scottishboy112]

One thing I’m still just baffled at… DRK is so low on the damage right? Yet they decided not only to remove Plunge and give them a Gap Closer that does no damage (why put the effort in when you can just… Make it do no damage)… BUT WAR and PLD’s Gap closers still do damage! If they wanted to remove damaging gap closers on tanks, either go all the way or not at all. Hopefully Plunge ends up coming back like Energy Drain did for SCH all those years back in ShB.

[@melchiah19]

The thing with tanks is most people aren't grading it as a tank. They are grading it as a tanky dps. As someone who plays healers and tanks as my main classes i can say it is a nightmare to heal warriors. Like i literally feel like I'm holding their hand through the conent heal all their boo boos. While when I'm healing for paladins and dark knights i dont have that. Like i can ignore them for quite a while before i have to heal them. Now that just might be my experience and the players i keep getting paired with. And when I'm playing PLD i have to tell the healers to not heal me unless i drop below 25% health. And I feel i have to say this cuz of the common misconception about PLD's. When i play PLD i almost never nead a healer to heal me and my sustain is always being kept up even when i have to heal myself because the healer died and can't be rezzed. Edit: forgot to mention my point which is i think Tanks should be evaluated on self sustainability vs just dps or just self healing or just (insert one thing here) which is what i most commonly see people evaluating tanks

[@scubasteve5326]

Ah, my first 100 topping the tier list. You love to see it 🤣🤣🤣

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I know it's not the best place to say, but I disagree with Viper getting some of its positionals removed. What they should be doing with the upcoming Viper changes is giving us players the ability to make the 1-2 buttons keep the same positionals. I don't like the same buttons turning into different positionals, even MNK at its busiest always had consistent positionals. On my mouse+keyboard hotbars, top row has always been flank and second row has always been rear. VPR threw a wrench in there, and redundant buttons can't fix this because they'd still all light up at the same time.

[@seraphlord]

i agree that what they were saying DNC being selfish was intended to be attached to the statement about MCH, i would bet all my money on the fact that this was written by AI

[@KroLeXz]

Why can’t pct be the reaper of caster? Casters are harder to play melee in todays era, so wouldn’t it be towards the top?

[@jade_harley413]

summoner is the reaper of caster

[@secondchancecookies]

My GNB isn’t DT level yet, but my PLD feels so much stronger than my WAR and the WAR has a higher ilevel weapon.

[@adognamedsally]

AI probably. However, I think it was saying this: "DNC's lower dmg contrasts with the other jobs that either provide more defense, or are selfish dps"

[@drob8220]

SCH and AST are S tier and WHM and SGE are A tier so they got healers conpletely wrong. SCH and AST are simply much more flexible and have more tools for all situstions where as the other two are only good at one or two things

[@CaioTeles1994]

Let's be real here... No one can say they see that magnificient shining beacon of a Xeems bald head and they aren't drawn into it like a moth to a bright flame :D

[@MGC-XIII]

It is odd that they don't explain why the jobs are ranked the way they are, they're just explaining how they work xD

[@zwei3179]

i dont like that all gap closers are targeted and got to be pretty high level. I think gap closers need to be non target and gained at all level 30

[@crookedlid9653]

This is AI generated for sure

[@Hyonam]

I love my ninja, so happy they removed huton management.

[@Tashiro64]

especially for ~lv50 content lol

[@Dillon_J]

yea slither felt very slow. it is so weird.

[@Euphamia]

Dragoons cant be played wtih a controller unless you leave half your stuff off your bar

[@femthingevelyn]

this really isn't true, use your extra cross hot bars. dragoon has 25 buttons before the consolidations, closer to like 20 or so if you use them and with the w cross hotbars you get up to 32 buttons, you have more than enough space for it all

[@OldManInternet]

I actually feel that out of the melee, dragoon probably has the least buttons. I actually have a couple empty spaces on my 2nd bar atm

[@Euphamia]

@@femthingevelyn Everyone says that but you have to hold the triggers in mutple different ways to get throw 1 of the 3 different combos. You keep saying 25 buttons but only 8 are on the screen at once and 4 of those your not allowed to use the joystick to move your char at the same time. Is this why dps keep dying because there playing super finger sports on the controller instead of avoiding mechanics?

[@Scerttle]

14:30 Honestly a lot of the proc skills should have MUCH longer usage windows. At LEAST a minute, IMO. Temperance is a 2 min cooldown, you're not gonna lose a use of its proc'd ability by giving it a 1 min timer.

[@KTConna]

Bard is S rank for sure, best ranged DPS

[@Raansu]

The whole monk thing is wild to me. I don't get why they can't seem to get the job right. It gets redone every expansion and its why I keep avoiding it.

[@MrIllMind]

There’s absolutely nothing cumbersome to use when it comes to life surge?? Just use it with buffs on your largest available potency? I feel like he’s just saying words.

[@zordiark9673]

Still liking my RDM and i will keep playing it. I dont care about ppl saying its trash outside of progression.

[@zerotwo8300]

Man i wish they gave us our dots back for paladin :c

[@drgnmstr44]

Tier lists are always subjective and im glad you point that out. This article though is trash, probably AI generated, because as you pointed out there is no reasons given for the ranking.

[@Mihra1986]

Lucky for us they only ranked the jobs and not the expansion stories :P

[@brandonsenter355]

Hey Mr.Happy GNB doesnt have thrill of battle that ability belongs to WAR. The 40% MIT for GNB is Great Nebula

[@jonesy9744]

WTF, Mr. Happy looking like gigachad now? Good for you man! FF14 content all but fell out of my recommended when I took a break from the game. Watching more content now that I'm knee deep in DT. So needless to say I wasn't continuously watching to see any kind of gradual change. And the first stuff I started watching were your job preview vids and patch notes where there was either no cam or it was in the corner so I didnt notice. Play this video and Immediately hit a double take with the chiseled jaw line lmao.

[@Soul0890]

You are not correct about whm. As someone who is a main sage/whm/ast, whm feels really good at 100. I have finished both ex trials as all three and the additional movement and the capstone ability pushes it ahead of Ast. Not quite as strong as sage but in my opinion, it's in a better place than ast.

[@christophersiner8851]

SCH is super busy right now.

[@DisappointedBatman]

Been playing BLM since 2.0, I'm okay with how BLM plays right now. I like it. (Just buff the damage)

[@OldManInternet]

I think if they tweak the potency and give umbral soul at 35 or 50, it would be in good shape

[@juggtuggler361]

I'm a pld main and I still wouldn't put it in s tier. I love pld but it's not the best tank. Most fun for me though, that's what counts

[@Druidlover]

If they had named the article "feelings on Jobs in DT" I don't think it would have received any flak.

[@hiddenmaster6062]

White Mage's lack of mobility is not a problem. They're loaded with so many instant heals and Dia is STILL the only healer DoT that does instant damage, making Dia the WHM's "ruin 2". If anything really, that dash is there to help you use your close ranged attacks like Dancer's does. Why doesn't AST get one? Have you looked at their kit? They don't need to be close to the action. And SCH is the only healer in the game who can heal AND attack on the move 100% of the time. ANd don't give me that "Sage can just eukrasia their dosis" That is not the point. Scholar has ruin 2 and can just shoot at all time, DEALING DAMAGE. Their fairy heals ALL OF THE TIME. Meanwhile Sage has 3 shots of toxicron and that's it. If they stop landing hits with damage spells Kardia is healing no one. If they run out of ammo, they are doing no instant damage. THAT is why Sage has targeted teleports and Scholar doesn't.

[@jimmywaxx1]

Not on topic at all but does anyone else think they missed a trick not adding positionals back to monk, now there's no buff or dot maintenance? I get it could be busy in pb, but could be nullified by having pb act like true north at the same time. At least 3, on your fury spenders, would have added a bit more engagement in between pb windows.

[@MrOctopusprime]

"Why can't this AI that is just aggregating a bunch of words off the internet without any knowledge or understanding not able to justify it's word soup???"

[@animecrystal9]

As a sum/Rmage at one point both are mmmm sum is not very fun anymore and the rotation gets mess up and please for the love of God get rid of the ifrite cast bar or at least make it smaller that cast is very long when you get too it its a wall bs and have the dart ability get change too a defrent button the class is dead pan class now I did like the old sum more with dots better then this red was just slow dt haven't tried yet but have played it long time ago was slow and got rez mess up your rotation.