[FFXV] Dawn of the Future (the canceled DLC) new canon ending

[@PAXperMortem]

I wish we had gotten those DLCs...

[@byksEBM]

Agreed. Dawn of the Future just released (English official) just, wow!

[@byksEBM]

@@skydreams3856 I got mine through amazon (downloads to their kindle app) - there might be a script uploaded by now... lol

[@TT-dm4bf]

@@byksEBM can't seem to find it tho

[@disneyboy3030]

@@byksEBM maybe someone can make a mod adaptation and finish what they started.

[@ironrex6979]

I’m glad we didn’t since it would ruin the canon story

[@hellonearthiii4671]

I’m pissed they just abandoned this game and’s comrades.. FFXV was so fucking awesome. I collected so the weapons, Royal Arms too and did all the dungeons. EVEN THE GODDAMN 100+ floor dungeon when you can’t use healing items and can only heal with spells and every campfire checkpoint. Literally everything.

[@Kopie0830]

They played us like a fiddle bud. They should have thought of the story more before releasing the game...

[@vincentakabane9997]

Too bad, they can't afford to finish it so they have decided to make a novel instead

[@archzrga6501]

the 11 gig day one update is a dead giveaway. but for all it's worth. i am ok with how it went. i would blame the insane amount of promotions and gimmicks that they put to contribute to the hype. which i think probably resulted to these addons. it felt like it was done in the heat of the moment and then it's gone.

[@zerosorigin8387]

Isildur Son of elendil Don’t jinx it

[@IAmKentori]

Isildur Son of elendil ff16 trailer just looks like some medieval game it’s doesn’t look unique like 10 did

[@cykurosaki1337]

I think an interesting point was that when Noctis shatters Bahamut’s mask, he sees that Bahamut looks like him / Somnus.

[@Joe_334]

Like Shulk, resembling Zanza, from Xenoblade Chronicles. Not even going to object, if they took that route. The writers threw a curve ball making us think Ardyn was the true villain. Then his story came out like the later seasons of LOST did.

[@ricsouza5011]

@@Joe_334 well ardyn is a villain in the way the story was presented, albeit one that the public in general sympathizes because he got screwed by the gods.

[@FerociousMit]

@@ricsouza5011 ardyn is a straight villain. He was going to kill Regis and destroy Lucis years before. Bahamut stopped him and told him he had a fate, that ardyn would be able to see his goal come through, but he had to do it in the way the gods demanded, ardyn being a Lucian, would also have to die in order to achieve the goal of destroying the Lucian line. When they made the game, they canonized him agreeing with bahamut, because he was evil, he was willing to do anything to follow through with his goals. Sure they eventually made other "timelines" but that doesn't wipe away what ardyn truly thought in each moment.

[@victorwarner2734]

​@@FerociousMit ardyn was a good fellow. Anyone in his position knowing the truth would've broke sooner or later

[@victorampo1137]

@@FerociousMitit’s like didn’t pay attention lol

[@isostormgamer5584]

I accept Dawn Of The Future an alternate timeline, as of now, the game has 4 timelines. We have the original game, The omen trailer where it's a timeline where Noctis didn't have the bros by his side, it's pretty much a bad ending, but this is then stopped by Regis by sending the bros with Noctis. Then we have the Episode Ignis alternate ending where Ignis doesn't go blind, Ravus lives and Noctis lives and apparently defeats Ardyn without the Sacrifice, and then we have Dawn of The Future where it's a big happy ending. I really like the theory that Regis is behind all of these alternate timelines since he can't bear the fact that his son has to suffer the consequences for the sins of the past and just wants him to be happy. But overall I still think the original ending is still the canon ending.

[@SAR-re1fx]

There´s more timelines, there are images in the book where Aera (Ardyn lover) got infected by the scourge and another one where Noct and Luna have two kids, Ardyn doesn´t die, and all go camping like a big family. So there´s like 5 I guess?? Plus the Versus XIII

[@halkun7191]

Wtf FFXV could have been its own series at this point. Or pull a Fire Emblem and have multiple routes and endings. Now I see why FF7 is going to have its own series. Its just so pact with lore that it just can't be done in one game. And if it could, the quality of it would have to drop for the costs.

[@kyronix560]

They did the right thing segmenting it.

[@WhyDizzy]

@@kyronix560 at least they learned from their mistakes

[@UsonoHoushi]

Base on my understanding... FF7 is The dawn of the future, with some tweaks.

[@BeWaReJay]

Uso no Hoshi Somehow Prompto changes his name and becomes the main character?

[@PolarPhantom]

god I hope VII Remake's future parts deliver on the promise, cause the first part is so dang good.

[@ceePx]

I love how Noctis' actual reign as king after sitting on the throne only lasted for like... 60 seconds?

[@byksEBM]

oh boy Dawn of the Future is out this week

[@HwoarangGamer]

Dawn of the Futute doesn't make me feel better, because I get even more pissed! All of this should be in the game! Square-Enix committed a sin with whoever bought the game and is a fan of the series. The game had everything to have an epic story. But, the complicated development of the game and the cancellation of these DLCs put everything to lose! I wanted to see more content from the story, such as Lunafreya, which appeared little in the game, in addition to how Noctis was inside the crystal. I liked the game. But all these problems frustrated me. A canonical end of the game through a book ?! Unacceptable! It was supposed to be in the game!

[@melancholycollie1466]

Sometimes.. As a God in an eternal realm of light, I get a little bored and over 2000 years just manifest some shit stir and make a whole bunch of people suffer and die... Cuz you know...

[@Darth_Melek]

Hopefully one day they will get to actually doing this. Nothing is never impossible.

[@boywillyam68]

Its already 2023... nothing will happened since Tabata left Square Enix and left the DLC without finishing it. Well we should accept the fact that this game already forgotten, but still we can enjoy our childhood memories with this game and bring it to the next generation how good this game is

[@Darth_Melek]

@@boywillyam68 Ehh honestly I was thinking in a range of about 10 more years. There'll be new consoles by then and more games will be remastered and maybe this one will also be reamstered with the dlc being finished just for that.

[@yasuo731]

​@@Darth_MelekI would do anything to make this happen in the next 5 years

[@Darth_Melek]

@@yasuo731 who knows. Maybe it’ll happen in the future. The Clone Wars had a final season that got cancelled. The final chapters were novelised. A couple of years later the final season did come out. As long as the community will be verbal about this, eventually it’ll happen

[@yasuo731]

@@Darth_Melek From today on I'll annoy the FF developers every day to remake ff15 xD and i play ff15 rn again,iam obsessed🥲 thanks for giving me hope

[@hashtag.ethanz]

My lord that new alternate ending you explained of Episode Noctis made so much sense and the way you put it out and explained it was so easy to understand, a great story gone to much loss due to it not being in the hands of the great Nomura.. such a masterpiece it would’ve been smhh

[@ironrex6979]

The new ending is horrible that’s why it was canceled and Nomura had nothing to do with the FFXV train wreck.

[@xxigeorge]

The "killing gods because they are evil" concept is very common in Final Fantasy, mainly VI and XIII, so Bahamut choosing Somnus / Noctis because they look like him but them rebelling and not being his little puppets makes perfect sense. Not blindly following orders just because a divine power said so and exposing said power as evil is pure Final Fantasy.

[@09connorr]

Can we just note how shitty it is that Square would have hidden the true ending of the game behind DLC?

[@SAR-re1fx]

Square Enix said that the novel are just cancelled DLCs with alternates endings, the canon is in the original videogame.

[@2runplayz]

@@SAR-re1fx Can we get this Ending in the Main Game?

[@spriteking3944]

​@@2runplayzNo

[@joancruz2785]

Honestly, I have come to terms with Dawn of the Future being the canon ending even if the original story doesn't work anymore. Perhaps that was the point of the new ending. The characters fought to challenge fate and get their happy ending, even if it meant ruining Bahamut's plan and making the original story not as satisfying. I know this is kind of a long shot but it makes me feel better about the new ending. Besides, now I can relax and go around exploring Eos in chapter 15 happily knowing that everything was okay in the end.

[@harveycustodio2625]

I don't think the New Dawn ending is the New ending... I think they planned it from the start but the DLC's was cancelled...

[@archzrga6501]

that's like saying getting this girl you really liked but has no significant meaning on getting into the relationship, but it just makes you feel good that you got her for satisfaction's sake

[@666stryder666]

Pretty confident it isn't cannon. Dissidia opera omnia seems to be playing off the original ending where Noctis dies. Could be wrong, but going off of most of the dialogue Ignis spouted, deft sounds like Noct died.

[@archzrga6501]

@@666stryder666 it was a good coming of age story with selflessness and valuing the ephemeral factors in life as a moral. i just view dawn of the future as an alternate universe much like in those neptunia games. good story with a tragic ending vs bad story with a happy ending at the very least, DotF provides an alternative safety net for audience who are unable to mature from the original story

[@NC-gx3zt]

Is not canon, accept the original ending, is bitter? Of course, but that make this game so great, at least noctis is with luna in the afterlife, and the bros gonna help rebuilt the world

[@AkaiKnight]

For me, nothing ever going to beat "Dad, trust in me". The original ending is sad yes, but there's so much weight there that i was able to forgive alot of the janky storytelling beforehand. It really left an impression on me. Also nobody is explaining how Bahamut is evil or what he wants. This new ending just sounds like, "oh the first ending was too dark, lets make it so everyone survives and nobody loses anything"

[@saixenophase]

It's the equivalent of a fix-it fanfiction.

[@AkaiKnight]

@@saixenophase you mean the new canon ending is just them trying to make People feel better about the darker ending

[@saorse5918]

I'm saddened by the canon ending but I wouldn't change it mainly cause the canon ending made me cry and that shows how much the game ment to me.

[@kaimagnus5760]

I like choosing the Resist Ending for the Ardyn DLC because then you can paralle him to Noctis. Ardyn, he who suffers in defiance of fate in the name of spite vs Noctis, The Chosen King who accepts his destiny and saves the world he cared for so much.

[@kokomello2858]

Final Fantasy XV is full of stuff, it has some of my favourite characters of all time, it has an awesome story, I would just like to hear Noctis and his friends live another adventure with them, see how their lifes are going, just see them once again

[@arvinjay336]

I honestly kind of wanted more adventures with the bros after Luna's death it would've been nice if we could have explored Nifleheim a little more..

[@Sami-Moon]

this DLC would have been amazing and finally addressed all my issues with the endings.

[@nslater1388]

I will say that if all this was planned out properly, it would have been a great story. Dawn of the Future only works if you know what Noctis does to save the world. Ardyn giving his life in Noctis’s stead only has impact if we had gotten to see Noctis do that very thing. Luna needs better character development, so at least DotF gave us that. But for me, nothing will top Ignis’s alternate ending.

[@shisa0599]

I may be wrong on this but for me, in the main game Bahamut is only a plot device but no evil god pulling the strings. This is exclusively to the alternate ending where the game needs a new antagonist so to speak, since Noctis and Ardyn are joining forces more or less. I think we didn't get played by Bahamut in the ending of the main game. This way, all the sacrifices in the main game and especially Noctis' ending are not in vain and still meaningful. This ending is just a bit darker since we don't get a happy ever after but rather Noctis and Luna in their 'final fantasy'. We have to not only look at the story of Noctis and Ardyn differently depending on whether we play the main game or read the alternate ending, but also the character of Bahamut imo. At least I like to think so, since it would end both stories in a meaningful way.

[@Eskolol]

The Episode Noctis ending sounds like a real Final Fantasy ending. A Happy end. Afaik all FF games end up happily. FF15 ending tasted bittersweet with Noctis assumed dead and everyone mourning over him.

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

Guess you forgot the heroes of ff1. Literally just got forgotten.

[@ozairchishti1264]

@@IIDEADBIRDII Yeah and FFVII originally ended with Meteor crashing down and us not knowing what became of humanity. FFXV is far from the first time that FF has had a bittersweet ending with other examples being the aforementioned FFVII, FF Type-0, and FFI. FF always ends on a hopeful note but it doesn't always end on a necessarily happy note so idk why a lot of people seem to claim that happy endings are more befitting of the series or considered "real Final Fantasy endings" compared to the sadder ones in the series.

[@AmonsRealm]

FF10 had a sad ending

[@josueloya2683]

6 ends with the world destroyed.

[@narutofan4545]

@@AmonsRealm tidus comes back

[@LSB44446]

So they wrote the good ending for the game as canon and didn't include it in game? (Just to be clear)

[@Death6990]

Yep just because the dlc’s were cancelled which most likely was because they sold poorly

[@Weathersohot]

No it’s not canon. It’s alternate universe.

[@Weathersohot]

@@Death6990 they weren’t sold poorly, they just didn’t want to continue the development

[@Mike-xz8by]

@@Death6990 The director left to form his own company so fuck him for leaving this undone

[@invadazim4320]

@@Mike-xz8by I thought he left after square cancelled the dlcs

[@ZackieSenpai]

Thanks for covering the DLC that we should have gotten. I feel so much better now. Here's one SUB~

[@TreyeParker]

Dude I don't care about a book.. I care about the game ... Give us the freaking DLC

[@thisismatvei5635]

FCKSQUARENIX

[@Quilavar]

So, there is one big puzzlepiece I just can't seem to fit into either narrative. And that is the Cave of Eos. I remember the time around the launch of the game, when we had barely anything but breadcrums of a story that once were or was supposed to become. There were all these theories about another summon named Eos, sort of like Zeus in her role, and that all summons but Ifrit attempted to usurp her. That the statue in the cave looked awfully similar to Ardyn and that it was speculated that he may be a decendent of her and so on. Is there anything in either current version of the game that even attempts to justify the symbolism of the content of that dungeon now? I haven't touched that game since its inception unfortunately.

[@byksEBM]

Eos was the original "Etra" re-purposed ...then it just became the name of the planet

[@tamarcussingleton9251]

I'm still love this game!

[@5tonemebeforesucces776]

If square Enix ever makes a ff15 remake this should be the plot for sure

[@alexfirth21]

Book comes out this summer in America, I am definitely reading it.

[@sunzalea3257]

Alexander Stewart same

[@OneBasedGod]

When??

[@Mikalia_chan]

I didn't know it existed, but I just ordered it now.

[@sebastienc.2257]

I like the ending of XV more. Life isn’t always roses and daisies.

[@roion6707]

Nomura would agree with you

[@zinc_trioxide]

Sure, they can abandon it completely and working on FF16 but if they have a drip of love left for this game they should have gave us the level editor at the very least so we can make the DLC on our own... ...and ofcourse some other fun stuffs.

[@xen3588]

that first person gameplay at the end is cursed

[@Senshitengu]

The novel is so good, its time they made into a game.

[@baconpuppy2648]

I personally think that they should've made the good ending to be in the base game because then none of the events that happened would feel pointless. Besides that nice vid

[@roion6707]

If they had their own vision they should have just thrown out the nomura stuff from the start and just used their own ending cause it definitely feels like too many cooks in the kitchen right now

[@AlexanderNoxF]

i have always thought that this game deserves a remake more than 7, a remake where they actually get to explain the plot, show us more interaction between noctis and luna and has an actual open world. The first step to do this: keep nomura away from the project lol

[@justinbuergi9867]

Thx for this video. Really wanted to know how this was all supposed to end and really wanted to see the gods get punched after episode Ardyn

[@Zinkolo]

I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you. The dawn of the Future would have made the original story much more impactful and left a stronger impression. It would mean that his journey was just as meaningful but he realized that not everything is black and white and that Arden is the true hero that was supposed to prevail. They set aside their differences to defeat a common enemy. You're definitely being contrarian about this too since the cut DLC definitely sounds way more poetic and better than what we originally got with a happy ending and an epic set of events to proceed it. I think you're just saying you hate the DLC because you know that we'll never get it and you can't cope with that fact

[@abyssbun444]

I feel like this Bahamut being bad thing could’ve been addressed if there’s a cutscene showing that his perspective of humanity changed in the original ending.

[@ironrex6979]

The thing is the novel isn’t canon and makes no sense with the game. In the actual canon Bahamut actually cries for humanity during Comrades. This novel is complete BS. Plus who the heck wants Bahamut dead? That’s disturbing.

[@EzzenLee]

For me, FF is always about go against the destiny, the inevitable (which always portrayed as some kind of gods in FF). A tragic story would just go unfit with FF (pointing at FF15). The story in the novel is ok. I would be so much okay with the game if this has been included to the game.

[@jamesbrincefield9879]

It’s really depressing that this game’s vision will never be properly executed. If it had been I feel like it could’ve easily been one of the standout stories of not only the entire franchise, but gaming as a whole. For a game that was literally left unfinished I’m kind of surprised it turned out as coherently as it did. What most excites me and/or makes me sad is thinking about what all was left on the cutting room floor after it’s extremely long and troubled development cycle. Clearly this game was meant to be a huge multi-faceted story judging from the amount of multimedia tie-ins, the season passes that were planned, etc. For however many of those actually got made, I wonder what didn’t due to time, budget, and general lack of direction? I doubt we’ll ever truly know the whole story but it would be cool to find out all the “what ifs” even it it’s not in the form of a game. With all the moving parts of producing a normal game along with the addition of brand and film tie-ins, I’m sure there are a ton of people out there with some really juicy information. I’d love to see FFXV’s failures and successes all put together in one place someday as a documentary or a book. One of the very first snippets of information we heard about Versus XIII back when it was first revealed basically described it as an immersive sim. Where it would take place in the 1:1 scale “modern” city of Insomnia and have all kinds of logic systems and stuff. They wanted to mix high fantasy elements with a hyper-realistic and familiar game world, which is a really interesting idea and seemed to be one of their main pillars all throughout development, it just got less and less ambitious until we got the FFXV we know today. Part of me thinks Forspoken was intended to be one of this game’s spin-offs considering how it also mixes Fantasy with a modern setting, and I feel the same about the little we’ve seen of KH4. It would be interesting to look into those games and see if we can extrapolate any details about what the completed FFXV would have entailed.

[@futking6400]

I am pleased with this new ending, previous one was like all characters were deceived by bahamuth and it was annoying me so much

[@byksEBM]

tbh it feels like a fully explained ending the only thing i miss really is Ravus who was alive in Episode Ignis

[@Darkslayers_son]

Right?! It was bull

[@ironrex6979]

Bahamut did nothing wrong in the canon game so I don’t know what your crying about. Ardyn due to the Starscourge became a cancer that needed to be put down.

[@futking6400]

@@ironrex6979 haven't you played episode Ardyn?

[@ironrex6979]

@@futking6400 Yeah Starscourge messed with him. That’s why the “ghosts” are purple representing illusions from the Starscourge. Second ending isn’t canon too.

[@howardFL]

the prophecy and dawn of the future plot are Tetsuya Nomura ideas, which before Hajime Tabata takes over and changes Tetsuya's plot. That's why you felt the paradox after you've read the book. I got the information from a former SE employee, he made a hours-long video about the difference between Tetsuya and Hajime versions of "FF15" and the whole story of FF versus 13(the ending is similar to the dawn of the future). I could post the link below if you want, but he explained all the information in Chinese.

[@hiroshi754]

Yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@howardFL]

​@@hiroshi754 www.bilibili.com/video/BV1rt411E7FJ?from=search&seid=9146248966364878206 You can watch all the contents or just click P4 on the side and jump to 29:06 for the main topic, some of the contents are removed due to sensitive information.

[@hiroshi754]

@@howardFL Thanks for the link!!!!!!!!!! I feel like my world has been completed~!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@howardFL]

@@hiroshi754 That's how I feel when I watched the video too. I wish SE could remark the DLC back, it's a great storyline and contents

[@worthy17]

Still don't know why they abandoned this game. I really liked it and for all the other new dlcs to be canceled is lame. Feels bad. The "good ending" seems waaay better and better written

[@Zinkolo]

Because during a live stream one of the writers abruptly said they were leaving during the middle of development. A real dick move honestly....

[@caithid1951]

Because the Director left Square Enix

[@RIELSG]

Imagine if Final Fantasy vii remake part 2 doesn't sell and they cancel part 3

[@caithid1951]

@@RIELSG I'm gonna mad af and curse SE for my entire life lmao

[@RIELSG]

@@caithid1951 I'm already pissed it's not a proper Remake. Hell I would take a true FF7 remake with the graphics of the Xenoblade series

[@NewAnderL]

So this DLC was supposed to bring the "fight against destiny" of the series all over again...no,thanks.

[@Schale.kivotos]

12:51 what the point?.... what are you talking about? the meaning of noctis sacrifice is so no one will interrupt bahamut plan.. That's it... And yes it will be pointless for noctis but not for bahamut the one who make the plan he get what he want -His contract with lucis family end because all lucis bloodline gone -now no one bother with his plan -no one can possible beat him now -he can finish his plan and 1 more thing "why you need to fight with someone who maybe possible to ruin your plan and beat you if can make that "someone" to kill himself?"

[@jewii3824]

it sounds like we couldve had a ff9 style story, with a diverse cast and interesting back stories. Quite unfortunate that we don't get to see any of that due to time constraint, poor management and the infamous, problematic luminous engine

[@brandonleewright4285]

To do all the work it takes to produce and provide it all

[@samuelbarrios7749]

I loved the original XV story it made me sad but it was a realistic story I loved it

[@alfanalivan3987]

Nice explanation dude

[@aeronbern1769]

I loved this game! And prefear original ending. Your second half of the video made me regreat less of the the cancelletion of the seconds dlcs.

[@LSB44446]

This poor game went through so many problems, when it was VS XIII, then XV on release, then the addition of canon and noncanon DLC, and then this damn book... it's tragic.

[@tts375]

My theory is they might consider making this a spin off game, after hearing all of this, it has such a high possibility of being a spin off like how they retcon the story, I’m hoping they would.

[@GuiltyKit]

Dawn of the Future is pretty much everything the story felt like it should be. I don't think any of it is cheapened because the deaths and original ending weren't earned from a narrative talent point in the first place. Bahamut never made sense in the first place. Cutting this off from FNC irreparably damaged the story. DotF at least makes it coherent. I disagree that it was pointless.

[@HL-lk5ln]

COME ON THIS ENDING IS WAAAAAAAY BETTER!!!

[@freyrik]

Lunafraye is basically namine from another demension. #thursathursday

[@gurnoorsekhon6402]

Ffxv is a project that could have been even more amazing but i love it regardless. Hope yhat FFXVI can surpass it's expectations in every conceivable way. It seems to have an actual combat system and doesn't seem to be rushed so i have my hopes up.

[@heartbeatbeat6071]

This should have been the ending!

[@veryconcernedjesus2584]

All this happened cuz a fucking shiny rock didn’t like Ardyn

[@HeavenOnHigh]

Okay, geme the short version of it, not sitting here and going through all of this again.

[@vryciek8392]

Now this is a very happy ending adagium and the chosen king respectinh together

[@ceePx]

they should've released episode aranea

[@byksEBM]

We all needed these DLCs... I really hope Project Athia is Sol Aldercapt's story... but even if its not, they can and should revisit FFXV in the future!

[@brandonleewright4285]

That your all going to be There for it is what we had to prepare for

[@darthsoulkiller2377]

The base game ending is 100% a Tabata ending. The story was heavily changed when Tabata took over, Nomura had a very different story which you can read as there are leaks. & it’s sort of a Tabata thing where the main character dies, examples being FFXV, FF Type-0 where everyone dies & then Crisis Core. The DLC ending wasn’t Tabata’s original ending, it was just made as a response to multiple fans wanting a happier ending.

[@KilluaZoldyck-qx9jf]

It truly is a unfinished masterpiece huh

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

Definetly not a masterpiece, but definetly unfinished.

[@KilluaZoldyck-qx9jf]

@@IIDEADBIRDII what I mean is that if they had the chance to finish it it had the potential to be a masterpiece

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

@@KilluaZoldyck-qx9jf no it still wouldn't be a masterpiece. What this guy just outlined has way too much bullshit to make this a masterpiece. With all the changes these dlc wouldve added would make the plot more convoluted than the simplest metal gear games. That's not what this game needed.

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

@@KilluaZoldyck-qx9jf either way these planned dlcs although cool wouldve added too many plot holes and would invalidate much of the main game especially the prophecy. As ff15 was when royal edition came out. It was the closest it could be to a great game. But the way ignis' dlc added the alternate ending where noctis didnt die already made the main game seem flawed as it was.

[@winterspirit3734]

I love final fantasy but with all this now don't know what's what anymore

[@jh9794]

This ending felt what the game should have been to begin with. The ending from the original release one had no real weight to it. Double so when you realize the sacrifice is just a cover for an AH God you know is the real bad guy. Which is a fact in both endings. Didn't help half the story wasn't in the game. If this was a convoluted secret true ending then I'd have loved it. Because you'd feel like YOU missed something. Using the DLC to slowly reveal the way to get the ending through what choices you make. That way the DLC were still stand alone but also tied into both sides. Right up until the end with episode ardyn where it's straight up revealed bahamut is an AH and your blindly following his plan.

[@T.O.Wallee]

There's a lot of FFXV's sentiment to me as it's the first Final Fantasy single player story game when comes to next gen console on ps4 during that time. Despite how much I hate the story pieces went all over the places, FFXV still have a piece in my heart. The entire story isn't bad at all to be honest, it just that they don't conclude everything in one game which they suppose to do in the first place as Final Fantasy is always a game story rather than numerous ridiculous spin offs. It's kinda remind me of Kingdom Hearts but at least they didn't release movie, anime, novel, beatem up genre, and dozens of dlcs.

[@lucasrodriguez8957]

I agree, the only thing I would have like to play from dawn of the future is Araneas chapter because it seems really fun in my mind when I was reading it.

[@sunsetkami8792]

Thank you for talking about the game in 2020 I’m playin it all over again before FF7 and I have a love for this game but I feel like square should try to put more time into this game after ff7 but i don’t know

[@joancruz2785]

I wish we could have gotten a FFXV-II in a world after either ending. It would have been cool to play as adult Iris or Noct and Luna's children, maybe even play a completely new character.

[@sunsetkami8792]

Exactly like I have a passion for this game and I wish the game had a straight direction but things happen just like the director changin and a lot of the game just felt like different ideas mashed together

[@OwnD1]

FF7 Remake corrected upon the empty world building that FFXV lacked

[@calendarfactory8566]

@@OwnD1 ?

[@dennishasan8061]

@@OwnD1 And added more problems with the shit story changes and ending. So a net gain of 0.

[@sternosaur4132]

The point of the ending of the main game is you got played by bahamut, dawn of the future the damage was still done to the cast of characters, but the dawn of the future ending is to get back at bahamut for playing them that entire time. I wish you would explain more about what plot hole you're referring to, because to me it sounds like you're basically saying "oh if you're already losing or getting fucked over because you got tricked and you learn that you've been tricked this entire time, you should just say fuck it and keep going along with it anyway". Everyone loves a good story where humans get a chance to defy the gods, especially stories in which the gods see humans as just mere play things, Bahamut wanted Ardyn dead because no human should ever match or succeed the power of a god. Bahamut is an asshole, that's just the kind of god he is in FF XV.

[@Anasyub]

The fact we could have more! Like i still go back to play this game coz its just so amazing, its so amazingly diverse and the open world is amazing. They put so much work into it and the dlcs r great too but instead of the fucking comerades they could have just made more dlcs :(

[@JoshuaAdim]

True it really was the best game I ever played especially watching kingsglaive afterwards

[@hallyuotaku2777]

if they done it right and able to make all those plan without problem this FF title could rival FF7 in terms of fame or maybe even surpass it, also in the Dawn of the Future player can play Noctis, badass Luna, Aranea and Ardyn in a party. just imagine that game, it's like the all star character of FFXV

[@corvoattano4319]

Final fantasy 15 and suffering. Suffering and sacrifice is the main themes of ff15. The original ff15 ending and the characters sacrifice mean nothing. Bahamut will destroy the world after everything the characters have been through/done. There sacrifice would be pointless no matter what, they were all pawns. In the dawn of the future ending they could have kept the original happy ending with still having strong themes of suffering. Literally everyone has been through hell, the worse physical and emotional pain imaginable. They could have done a “scars of the past” type thing with ptsd or something else along those lines, I have a feeling they could have pulled that off incredibly well. The characters would all have there demons. Especially noctis and Luna, the cutscenes about that would have been amazingly emotional and profound. Alas it would never happen and we would never see it on screen. Dawn of the future is cannon even though we never get to see it. I prefer the dawn ending because while there sacrifices would be less impactful, they would live. In the og ending they all would die anyway because bahamut would just destroy everything, still making all their sacrifices void.

[@byksEBM]

FFXV is complete. Dawn of the Future is out !!!!

[@kenneth27205]

In what timeline ?

[@brandonleewright4285]

Oh quality evolution is another term for it

[@kermitwithamustache3885]

You know, everyone complained about Versus XIII being better If the base game has the story of all 8 dlcs, the removed content from the demos and trailers, the two animes, the movie, and the novel, the whole story would be rich of lore and overall good.

[@byksEBM]

It's a masterpiece broken up into tiny pieces... for what idk it sounds like a good idea on paper, but how they executed/marketed/handled FFXV was awful

[@Hyperfixatedx]

this game would've been an instant classic if they kept all the story in.

[@TrvisXXIII]

The chick at the end of the DLC poster next to Lunafreya looks way too much like lightning

[@brandonleewright4285]

I know they are doing just fine

[@ruihanazawa2906]

All the endings was from Tabata. Hard to imagine Nomura had an ending in mind when he didn’t have a start or middle. From his history of games, Tabata likes “those” kind of endings - Crisis Core, Type Zero and Final Fantasy XV. I much prefer the OG ending of XV, not very often you get that kind of ending in a Final Fantasy game. Dawn of the future felt like something to appease the fans and Tabata is known to accept feedback and make changes for the fans.

[@UsonoHoushi]

In some ways. FF7 is an... Improvent of The dawn of the future. Replacing Bahamuth with the Harbinger of Fate and the whispers and the original FF7 being what the Whispers are guiding the story to. But, like Ardyn and the people, Cloud and his group DENY the fate "given" to them. So... Yeah we are technically playing The Dawn of the Future through FF7.

[@kermitwithamustache3885]

Kinda far fetched, but I can see where you’re coming from. I think we should wait for the remake to be completed to have a complete analysis of the parallel

[@UsonoHoushi]

@@kermitwithamustache3885 Yeah it's not a 1:1 copy. But the similarities are there. And it's neither a good or bad thing YET. It is an interesting concept. Just hope they don't mess it up in part 2. Oh. And hope we can pass our part one save to it. (OR at least give us SOMETHING for playing the first one)

[@kermitwithamustache3885]

Uso no Hoshi I just hope they bring up Genesis being still alive. I know all the licensing issues but even a brief mention would be nice.

[@UsonoHoushi]

@@kermitwithamustache3885 yeah. The point of this change does seem to feel like it's meant to properly connect the stories we were given so far. Like what's happening to pokemon right now. Only with what seems like time traveling.

[@Abzyoutbero]

Hear me, I agreed from what what the Dawn of the Future will make the sacrifices go away. What if the main story from the game continues where IRIS is shattered from the death of Noctis. Where she eventually got the power of Umbra and time traveled and somehow manage to merge the timeline where Noctis and all the gang merge with the version of themselves with their sacrifices they made.

[@killerjoke2945]

These are the DLC's that would have had appeased the FF XV haters... They really should have developed and released them as games. That is the true tragedy here.

[@drunkendelver1966]

I played the Pocket Edition, just to get an easy grasp of the story, and honestly, I think the way the story plays out in the original game (sans the novel) is much more emotionally powerful. Sure, it doesn't do the usual Final Fantasy thing, but to me, that's what makes it stand out so much in my mind. Instead of defeating the evil, manipulative god in a "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" ending like usual, the whole thing plays out like a grand Greek tragedy. Here's the briefest summary I can do: A good man, gifted with divine power and loved by the people for his deeds in service of them is betrayed by his brother to uphold his vision of what his kingdom should be. That man is wiped from history and replaced with a monster whom the world grows up to fear. That man is later brought back by an opposing nation, and sets out to topple his brother's false kingdom after learning he was supposed to rule. However, the leader of the gods stops him, and tells him that his suffering has all been preordained by his plan. This man stands before a god, the very god who blessed him with his powers and built him up only to make him suffer for his piety. He stands before a god and rejects his plan, his station, and everything he stands for. And he is punished for it. Eventually brought back to Eos, he vows to become worse than the monster the gods intended him to become. He'll help fulfill their "plan". And then he'll kill their Chosen One right in front of them and laugh as they are forced to watch their grand design burn to the ground. Unfortunately, despite his powers, he is still just a man. And in his dying breath he proclaims his hatred for his destined adversary, this kingdom founded on lies and atrocities, their crystal, their gods and everything they have been made to believe. And the world fulfills the gods' plan, unaware that they are merely pawns on a cosmic game board. The original story of Final Fantasy XV, while it wasn't what a lot of people wanted, is distinctive, tragic, and it's fucking beautiful. TL;DR: Final Fantasy XV has a beautiful story, and I will die on this hill. I personally reject the novel and the new ending, because it flies in the face of what the original story is trying to say.

[@huynhvuongviet2410]

I get what you are saying and personally, I love it too but my heart just cannot handle this man. Ardyn deserves better then to be used as a suffering pawn of the gods.

[@simpleevan3583]

I wonder if it would have happen we might get chaos bahamut again.

[@AbdulRaheem-dh9ih]

Ffxv definitive edition for ps5 anyone? With the OG scrapped gameplay as a cherry on the top

[@scikenz5261]

I'm like only 1 min in and I'm laughing so hard. This is a good video

[@mnsega]

They need to remake this game with all the dlc in the game

[@P_SEC]

I thought Bahamut’s ultimate plan was to get rid of the Caelum bloodline because they are the first line of defense for humanity or something 😶 could be wrong…

[@armanozyurt5051]

I wish they did this as a ff15-2 just like other games in the series

[@MrMilkyCoco]

I dont know how people like this alternate version...its nice with a happy ending but it sounds so stupid and sounds like it was written by a 10 year old haha I feel like this ending wouldnt have had the same effect as the original did for me. Now if it started as the main story then it would work. Cause at least everything would be explained...however if these came out as dlcs, itd be weird. Suddenly everything becomes for naught. Every character becomes a mary sue or gary sue...nobody dies yay ! No sense of worry that somethings gonna go wrong. And all this being controlled by bahamut who ends up being pure evil and wants to just destroy the world. Idk bout you but him as main villain gets old and ardyn as the main physical "villain" we fight was actually really interesting. And lunafreya being taken over to become a daemon the hell is that lollolol. I guess in a way the dawn of the future sounds more like a kingdom hearts game than anything. They never truly end with a death of a main character and always have some happy ending. I dont know why people get so upset with "bad" endings like they think every game has bad endings these days ...dont make me laugh LOL And the ending wasnt even bad either

[@anthonycolon2859]

Couldn’t they have just made another movie I really don’t read books.

[@brandonleewright4285]

Filter quality is like leveling up

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

I just love how everything you explained sounds like a clusterfuck of storytelling and wouldve made the game worse tbh.

[@brandonleewright4285]

Like That phase until your at maximum quality possible life size

[@Osiris2994]

Final Fantasy 15 is part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis series, right? So it wouldn't that mean Bahamut is trying to clean up the mess made from Type-0 and FF13?

[@iwantyoutocallmemeruemkomu5918]

Does that mean that square dropped this game since it got so much hate and we will never get the completed one? Wow just... maybe the new ff 16 (if they do one) will be complete... But I sure do love Noctis and I'm totally angry at the fact that we will never ever get a full game with all the dlcs and endings.

[@shibaanimegameedits2961]

Can’t they just make an anime with this ending

[@roion6707]

The anime was a commercial for the game/dlc with no dlc they don't have a marketing budget meanwhile at square... what about the fans? ummmm get steve from accounting to put it in a book

[@DerekWong967]

What the fuck i just finished a playthrough of the main vanilla game (not royal) and found out there are 5 million DLCs tacked on. No wonder it felt like there were some missing plot points and storylines. I don't think i can be bothered to play each of them, I already got my closure.

[@lance1966]

That would have been amazing to see in Gameplay

[@mohdimansaifullizan6193]

Noctis & Luna Dawn of the Future❤😢

[@NotAverageAfro]

I'm sad that this game got canned cause they could have easily have made another one and tied everything up. I am however glad that they did drop it and have done what they've done. The lead up and release of this game was so toxic with the Nomura haters and Nomura worshippers both being as pigminded as each other. YoshiP heading up 16 is a blessing. Hopefully now the FF franchise can steer itself back towards where it was before