FGO Hot takes : "Cinderella Liz is better than SSRs"

[@henriquehermann278]

Hi plushie, great video. Quick question gere, what is a might chain? I Heard you saying It a Lot, but dont quite know what It means. Is Just a way to say BAQ chain?

[@PlushieMistress]

Yes, mighty chains are BAQ chains, after a major update to the system a mighty chain will get all 3 card’s chain bonuses (not the 20% np gauge or the 10 stars but the chain is treated as if you lead the chain with all 3 cards, allowing them to get a damage boost, NP gain boost, star gen boost, 20% crit chance up on all cards at the same time)

[@henriquehermann278]

@@PlushieMistress ooh i see! Thank you Sir

[@Jazzpuppo]

While I know all welfares have only one outfit for all ascensions, I wish that Cinderelly’s first ascension was her poor outfit. I honestly really like that outfit and wish I could use it in game. They wouldn’t even have to change np since servant like Moley use their final ascension regardless of ascension level.

[@betulla96]

They would still have to change all the face card animations though and they probably didnt want to. But I feel ya, I also liked her "poor" outfit better lol

[@vollied4865]

CinderEli deserves all the love and headpats

[@jz0248]

Gameplay-wise, she deserves all the materials she asks for and more. Story-wise, she should be sent back to the throne of heroes before she breaks the world, or her master's brain, again

[@lordtea]

@@jz0248 she already breaks my 👂 though

[@jz0248]

​@lordtea hahaha. Ironically, she sings better now. But because she was so annoying in the past, I'm still inclined to mute my phone sometimes too

[@lordtea]

@@jz0248 yes her singing skill is better than of liz but her rhymes more annoying than og liz So I stick with Mecha eli chan 😇🥰

[@-Extra_Lives]

​@@jz0248wait people actually think her singing is annoying? I always thought it wasn't that horrible. Maybe it's because I've just heard really garbage singers

[@PlushieMistress]

Sorry for how late it is and the changing audio quality, its just been endless sirens blaring near my house for the past day.

[@Ottobean]

compared to the last two I would say that this one is pretty timely lol

[@DarKagamineChronos97]

The mage's association are searching you after summoning 2 np5 beasts

[@lordtea]

@@DarKagamineChronos97 Story lore Hakunon arranged ritsuka (us) contract with her In plushie defense, he is a victim 🤣😆

[@VideoGameLedgen]

Cinderella Liz be like “Kintoki… you were made in the wrong era…”

[@mtc8149]

I understood that reference!

[@hollowficate]

Cinderella Liz be like "Kintoki, you're painfully ordinary".

[@hortensia9439]

Narrator: "The strongest Rider in history...versus the strongest Rider of today..."

[@gonnacry3278]

I actually find her singing adorable. Is this what stockholm syndrome feels like?

[@bobsaget9188]

I feel the same. Maybe we are both suffering

[@raymondchen3815]

Her voice is good, she's just a bit tone deaf. We need to lock her in a room with a vocal coach and a piano.

[@AIAlter]

"Ittai yo" 🎶 🎵

[@Totemmu]

Me too lmao

[@gunnarschlichting9886]

Nah. She was always talented, she was just a combination of untrained and so singing without caring how she sounded (wasting her voice) and also accidentally using her draconic sonic breath, resulting in it being painfully loud and (possibly) ruining her natural tone/voice quality. This is in contrast to Nero who, despite having literally the best lessons possible in life from the best teachers available, sounds terrible still due to having 0 talent/natural ability.

[@MWERAL]

Appreciate you going out of your way continuing to do this, plushie!

[@Totemmu]

Great review, plushie! She'll fill the spot of ST Buster Rider I was lacking in my chaldea. Only wish we got her poor version as a costume.

[@lordtea]

She is meta but my 👂 tolerance level is mecha eli chan 😆🥲

[@Reavenex]

Same bro already 120 mecha elie now :'V

[@lordtea]

@@Reavenex bro I want to add u 😭

[@hrocxvid]

The more and more I play FGO, the more and more I like Liz. I don't know why but that's what it is

[@rickynguyen5108]

Probably because we know and learn more about her character and personality, not to mention her moments of funniness. She's a character that endears you to her.

[@lordtea]

@@rickynguyen5108 maybe it's time to see the great personality char like liz and Nero being fate's mascot now rather old blend artoria

[@jz0248]

​@lordtea They're both definitely fun, but I don't see what's so great about their personalities. They're both arrogant, usually selfish, and are sometimes even the cause of problems in events

[@lookingforlove839]

​@@lordteaNero sucks balls. Only time I liked her was as Draco

[@lordtea]

@@jz0248 Tbh that chaotic personality makes the event even in fate grand carnival fun

[@abdulmydudu8957]

She was my first welfare when I started playing FGO, and man I adore everything about her. She is my favourite among all the liz's and my first servant I decided to lvl 120 too. Her kit is basic but yet so effective at what it does, only thing I would only say is I wished her B skill had a more common trait it targets to but thats just my opinion. To this day she is my best Rider and even my go to single target unit to use(I have some clears with her on my channel but not so many of it). Glad you finally covered her Plushie, many thanks!

[@sjames551]

I do, in fact, have an NP2 Rider Caenis and I figure I'll find chances to use both in the future. One for crit shenanigans (and dominating future summer events), and one for blasting out my eardrums during a bossfight as she tries to sing over the boss music. At last, a version of Liz who is outright fantastic instead of middling to poor.

[@jeksewnoleeray1020]

16:50 don't think we didn't see you use her S3 before her S1

[@t_raywen8750]

Kintoki can finally take a rest

[@Evil_Florida]

Excellent video from a person that actually plays the game and knows what the servants are actually capable of

[@eruantien9932]

Small note about preventing the skill seal; Eternity Mirror isn't on NA yet, we get it with next year's Gudaguda event. But, White Vessel's Command Seal is in the Mana Prism shop if you don't already have it, so you can still cleanse it if her NP isn't ready.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

I use Atlas academy

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Personally Cinderella is my favorite Fairy Tale, so I am glad Liz made her justice by having such a well rounded kit While I have Kintoki, I rarely use him since Achilles of all people tends to perform better in longer fights because of his invul and less reliance on his NP. And her comes Liz with the exact same concept, but ST and with ramp up. Tbh she is just what I needed

[@Ottobean]

regular reminder that Gamepress and its tier lists suck

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Rath and Meliran's reviews suck even more

[@ivanbluecool]

At least it's not a biased take on this the vitch channel(joke if you don't know sarcasm in the back of the room) Though being better than a gacha unit isn't hard sometimes. Buster and quick really gotta step up their welfare game more often. Arts gets sieg Valkyrie assassin ranmaru iyo etc who all can loop with the best of them and that's just off the top of the my head. Though yes I'll be glad to use this eli my rider list isn't great and i could use the damage. Design is better than most of them at least Also somehow i actually feel excited to play this event as i really wanted to play 3-6 enemy nodes

[@ryanwest6035]

I don't know why you're saying Quick welfares need to step up while at the same time acting like Ranmaru is great lol. From Xmas 19 to Xmas 21 quick welfares are Santa Nightengale, Summer Yu, Summer Karna, Kiichi Hogen, Mixer & Santa Martha... I would put all of them except Mixer above Ranmaru.

[@ricksanchez6766]

@@ryanwest6035 damn I wish we had summer Karna, I agree tho

[@belphy205]

Im sorry Elly. You may have been the very first servant i summoned, but Mandricardo holds my heart.

[@dendenpower8618]

ngl Rider Liz as might be my sub in for Mandricardio when it comes to caster bosses. I've already gotten the other versions of her (minus Lancer) but Rider Liz might be the one I slot into a team here or there.

[@EugeneKurlikin]

What a killer review man. Ty 🙏

[@ocaradaesquina821]

Before the triple halloween event, i did'nt knew Elizabeth that well, and honestly i just though she was annoying...BUT NOW I FUCKING LOVE HER SO MUCH, I WANNA CHERISH EVERY ELI...and Carmilla, she was my first golden assassin.

[@dummydump6117]

Between Ozy and Liz its weird how both are good and hurt my ears

[@octapusxft]

I just love the entire animation her NP has. Especially the part where she is mad and is preparing to jumpkick.

[@annanymousren]

Rider Kick

[@amaeo5170]

CinderEli was the servant who got me past Demeter in LB5.2, and has been a good standby for taking out any sort of Caster Boss.

[@ilhanovic5219]

speaking of Mighty Chain... WHEN WILL. IT COME TO GLOBAL

[@rokkabrave]

Ngl despite being designed to irk the player, Cinderelli is my favourite of all the Liz

[@slesh_master]

We get it We get it Plushie you found a new favorite to use/solo with

[@FodderAccount-kv9cx]

30% battery with 4T cd That's all I needed to hear

[@scarlettryuken4320]

ppl when u introduce a good buster st to koyan core lol nah kintoki and skadi core still better

[@pokemaniacqolem6495]

the comment about less developed accounts feels quite accurate. Her kit is something I'd've appreciated in earlier years, however... an account old enough just kinda farms most boss battles, on which Kintoki overtakes her again imho. A cycle of life, man...

[@SpaceRodan]

Whether it be As Elizabeth or Carmilla Plushy continues down the path of Bathory!

[@xrailgungamer1129]

CINDERELLA ELI HITS HARDER THAN MOST OF MY ARCHER SERVANTS HUHUHUHUHU

[@char1194]

As someone with an np1 ruler da vinci, that last part felt oddly targetted I-I'll try my best...

[@lordtea]

What th are u doing during her event 🤔😐

[@Kumire_921]

Ouch

[@nara_no_nagi]

She’e at least a support but that hurts

[@char1194]

@@lordtea exams

[@yehudasolomon7919]

Cinerelly is basically a straight upgrade to rider caenis. I am very depressed

[@TethoSama]

i should've came back more earlier 😭, smh I missed this and a lot of welfares. Especially Berserker Jeanne

[@davidsamudio3899]

I say the only Rider that is a clear cut above Liz is just Ozy, Because Lasangle decided to go stupid with him and made him do Omega damage while getting the sun while reducing his CDs while having sun specific Buffs 😅

[@grildrago]

Her design is really ssr like and im glad she is good too. Liz for love p, liz for life

[@shaso567]

I agree that she's a lot better than most other ST riders and SSRs of other classes, but the heart of the matter is that Ozy, Maev, and Nemo are the bars to beat for ST rider nps and those are high bars even if they are lacking a bit defensively in comparison to liz's broken 3 hit immunity while they basically lack immunities at all. The bigger issue is really the competition for tanky riders coming from outside the ST nps where you get so many broken aoe NPs and support characters coming in that the damage loss doesn't matter: Da Vinci, Constantine, Reines, Rider Camilla, Achilles, Odysseus, and Europa.

[@ivanbluecool]

Hot take:i just want the mc to wake up from a bad oberon run.

[@l4h4l11]

I pair her up with a Tamamo and Jacques de Maloy for some really high invulnerable up time..

[@Alphagammabeta]

Goated take Mr. Ploosh, Based. but why you have to diss me like that 5:06 man... :'v never forget... Huyan Zhuo CQ turn 6 missclick incident :')

[@nelisezpasce]

She won me over from the moment she introduced herself singing

[@sparhawk2195]

hot like a candle about burn out.

[@Ayumu31]

just personal opinion but i think she looks better in her maid outfit than whatever type of princess dress that is.

[@danween]

she’s so dope. best Liz

[@TheRedScizor]

Finally my account has a good single target rider besides Ushi

[@ammarazlan4036]

Petition to put rider Liz poor cloth as costume

[@lha1526]

thanks for the video 😀

[@stevegroff6829]

Her nutso NP gain reminds me of a Tesla or Drake.

[@PsuNotPsu]

My favourite Liz!

[@AloyImpact]

So basically she’s cracked.

[@Nearnface]

wowowowowow

[@Flaris]

She's definitely a good welfare. I don't see her being one of my favourites. But she's good at what she does. And those skills are pretty timely these days. The debuff clear on her NP lets her hit pretty hard a lot of the time.

[@drunkfarmer5106]

Got np5 Ozy, but I'll keep her lvled just in case.

[@goofballjim6167]

I don’t like Elizbeth at all. Why? Because not only is she annoying the people who make this can’t be bothered to make a different Halloween Servant freebie for every Halloween? Apart from Halloween Shuten Douji they just have released Lizbeth every god damm year with just a different costume as the freebie it’s annoying

[@wimbeltonhank1946]

The only downside of Eli Rider is that my phone can't run her NP

[@2iq371]

i think Habetrot is still the best rider welfare. and you need to beat LB6 for both(at least on NA rn) tho both are very different. but yes she is the best rider ST uint. people are to fixated on kintoki to much because he was a very strong year one 4 star. but power creep is real.

[@PlushieMistress]

ok im not counting her as "welfare" here

[@ricksanchez6766]

If we’re comparing ALL ST Riders I think Ozy is still the best but she’s just below him.

[@2iq371]

@@ricksanchez6766 we are talking welfares. and Habetrot a welfare or what they call a Reward Servant. she only story reward and not event. but yeah ozy kinda stand on top of the ST rider class dps.

[@ricksanchez6766]

@@2iq371okay just wanted to be sure.

[@lhv2k]

@@ricksanchez6766 Nah Murasaki is way better than Ozy in terms of Rider ST dps, heck Liz is also probably better even though she has way less damage, because Ozy NP gain and face cards are awful

[@KingEndymionrose]

So level her up to 100 is best 😊.

[@INCELCOWORKER]

Also shes rides (You)

[@H4CKP4CK]

dead meme

[@peanutfish94]

yeah rider liz is arguably your best st rider just flatout, kintoki is great but objectively rider lizzy is better. there are some neat stuff you can do like with ozy's debuff succuss up and quick reloading memes with maid salter

[@lordtea]

It's not about her being meta or not It's about are your 👂 ready to be 💉 for her though

[@hisham3651]

I was gonna level liz but since u said caenis is better normally so gonna level my np5 caenis

[@PlushieMistress]

Against normal casters specifically yeah, she kills them a lot faster

[@hollowficate]

7:58 heh, HSR.

[@thatoneguy978]

Better than rider Kintoki is crazy

[@jakeemf-dg6rf]

Don’t care, got Caenis.

[@banics496]

Been saying this since she released people are just to nostalgic for rider kintoki

[@goofballjim6167]

Or people just don’t like Elizabeth

[@cw666thebeast]

So Liz can eat the cernussy?

[@civicrider5556]

How would she fare well against cernnunos?

[@crazyflare67]

From experience in JP she was the reason I beat Cernunnos. Combination of invul and cleanse means she can take off stacks of Cernunnos and not take the hp reduction or curse effects, which lets you really eat through the built up stacks quickly.

[@galupoanthony2996]

Why do you think i have her in lvl120

[@rafaelsilva_3101]

Were it not for her desing which I find sorta boring, I'd use her but I've got Penth for my ST buster needs. I'll level her up but Liz in general is just so boring as a character to me I might not use her much. The only Liz I don't find boring is MK II the least Liz of them all. 🤷‍♂️ Edit: This is an amazing analysis of her kit though, good job.

[@lordtea]

Mk eli chan enjoyer 😭

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Dont go throwing stones while in a glass house my guy

[@lordrushiacanyoupleasesayb3263]

SHE BETTTER THEN KINTOKI RIDER?

[@Shinylustral]

Who cares about welfare Liz?. I just want 5 star liz pls lasengle

[@jz0248]

Why though? Rider liz is a great servant

[@lordtea]

@@jz0248 Tbh every char who has a lot of versions has their own 5-star even Nero while Liz variants are still stuck with 4 stars despite monopoly every class behind Artoria 5-star Liz when 😭

[@sathariel3231]

People for years asking for Rider Kintoki (which we will get in Evocationfest) but have been blinded by it and have not looked at the Cindereli at all We truly are the messed up step sisters...

[@nottius1026]

Alright if she is good then FGO JP should give her as an evocation leaf welfare

[@benaressu]

Probably going to play the game mute when using her, her singing during battle was cute, but its just becomes too jarring like someone scratching chalkboard real quick

[@amai2307]

7:05 especially for the skill seal one. Sorry what? Skill seal is one turn only - it disappears anyway regardless of what you do, so NP cleanse does not affect it in any way.

[@PlushieMistress]

It does, the cooldown doesn’t go down if you dont NP

[@amai2307]

@@PlushieMistressoh, good to know.

[@alispeed5095]

Meh, l dont like her animations

[@lhv2k]

I'd say she's probably better than all the SSR ST Riders, because frankly most of them ain't that great. For buster I'd put her above Ozy because she has one of the best NP gain and facecards of all ST buster servants I've tested, while Ozy is completely awful on that front, so despite her having less damage I still find her way easier to use than him. However, her only issue I found is that her damage just isn't that good, in a team with proper meta supports her damage is only comparable to NP2 Ushi, so I'm not sure about doing neutral with her, maybe with slow clear or solo, but I don't think she's good for fast clear, and there better servants for neutral anyway. Also, being better than all SSR ST Rider doesn't mean she's actually the best, because the best ST Rider by far is Murasaki, since Art is way too strong that in an Art team, even NP1 Murasaki would outperform Liz in Buster team, with comparable damage to Ozy but even higher ceiling, and even though Liz's NP gain is very good for Buster standard, it's nowhere near Murasaki level due to her being Art.

[@amai2307]

Lol Oz is better support than Waver while hitting harder than Liz if you are not solo looping her. And you put him bellow?

[@goofballjim6167]

I’d put at the very bottom for how annoying her voice is. If i am gonna make me grind, with no auto, at least don’t make the in game voice’s annoying to listen to

[@Thissentenceisfalselosers]

CinderEli is remarkably strong for a Servant that keeps sealing her own skills and knocking herself out.