FIAT 500 VALVE SPRING UPGRADE

[@TechX1320]

I know this is a few years old, but for those who might be watching now... clutch and gas will disable injector and spark without having to unplug coils

[@motosapien2310]

Press & Hold or disconnect the plugs?

[@superseriousreviews1168]

This channel deserves to get much more popular! Very detailed and informative.

[@fuzzage101]

Dudes! I was on the fence about doing this upgrade but now am definitely planning on it ... when it gets a bit warmer over here in Maine. Thanks for going so step by step, making it look manageable. Keep up the awesome vids, Crew!

[@BWCDAD]

FYI, from the Mopar service manual, these are the torque settings for reinstalling the multiair unit. Step 1: All to 10 N·m (89 in. lbs.).  Step 2: All to 22 N·m (16 ft. lbs.).  Step 3: All again to 22 N·m (16 ft. lbs.). Check the service manual doc I put together here : drive.google.com/file/d/1maU2UOBwCDsXzq_Ei-4lntsVsC-v_XC4/view?usp=drivesdk

[@HipHopHistoryGuy]

Boston Abarth owner feeling the same!

[@xNYCMarc]

FYI: You don't need to "prime" the system to prevent a dry start. If there isn't enough oil in the Multi-air, the intake valves won't open and the engine obviously won't start until enough oil reaches the top for the intake valves to start opening.

[@efrenr446]

Hey, you guys make the process easier to see than other videos, others have seen that expensive tools need to be used to remove the springs and others say a lot and don't say much about what they are actually doing. excellent explanation thumbs up 👍

[@Oberon_Boost]

Good upgrade! Bellissimo! Greetings from Moscow, Russia!

[@RidgeFernandes1998]

To bleed that system you need to use a syringe and put oil into the small hole with the ball bearing. I worked at fiat and we always had this issue when the cars sat for too long without being run.

[@zapwatt]

"Socket's stuck!" = you need to buy locking extensions. I get mine from Mac and I would never have a tool kit without them. Best addition to my tool box.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Let’s see the dynos!!!

[@eddiew.6485]

@5:57 “Solenoids”

[@jamesbondo5895]

Fiat has been using these systems since before taking over chrysler

[@SuperSedingAngeL-yr0]

I should be able to do this to my 1.4 turbo Dodge Dart, correct? 😃

[@boontindo]

Yes. It's the same Chrysler 1.4 multi-air system

[@nabismith8023]

@ Valleycrew. I just installed mine and then went for a drive.... WOW! Us all I have to say. It didn't feel like much until I felt the mid and top range. It makes a noticeable difference.

[@gabrielfuchs3852]

I HAVE ALREADY ORDERED A TORK MOTORSPORTS MULTI AIR SPRING UPGRADE KIT FOR MY 2013 FIAT 500 SPORT TURBO. I HAVE A FAIL CODE AT UNDER 2000 RPMS ON THE #1 CYL , SO I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE THE MULTI AIR APART AND INSPECT THE COMPONENTS, THE RETAINER CLIPS DISINEGRATE SOMETIMES. I WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW IF I CAN GET A MACHINE SHOP TO MAKE SOME.

[@englanito]

update?

[@HipHopHistoryGuy]

Great video as always! Would really like you to show the Dino score before and after each of your upgrades. Keep it up.

[@giovannicarbone7951]

Guys you are awesome! Thanks for all you’re content and advices! I only wish there where more people out there that appreciate the little Scorpion like us.. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@demodansoundwavemusic9677]

Great vid. im in the uk with an alfa romeo mito multi air. deffo gonna be upgrading my springs after seeing your face at full throttle lol. keep up the good work guys

[@philjowett3760]

Hope you have all seen the recall notice on these springs from Tork.

[@damonbonini6796]

Philip Jowett yes i have got the notice. Cars sitting on standby now untill new ones are in. Thanks for checking in though!

[@longbeachams]

Love vids man I believe this is my lack of power as well! Gotta get this done in future until then stock springs will take a beating! 😢

[@DiasEVO]

very good I did not know of the upgrade! Thanks for sharing

[@postaraco]

respect guys ! excellent work, owner of one Alfa QV 1.4 multiair

[@pdtech4524]

Nice little mod, makes sense to stiffen the springs and I can see why at higher revs the stiffer springs will help to follow the cam lobe more precisely with less 'bounce' and float. Just wondering if I have a similar setup on my Fiat Panda 0.9 Twinair turbo? Mines only a twin cylinder producing 85bhp stock, so even a slight gain would be of great benefit, I know it can be easily mapped to around 100bhp. Don't laugh lol these are big figures for my little Panda 4x4 875cc 💥😁😊⚠️

[@pdtech4524]

@@firstbloood1 You might find more info on tuning the twinair engine searching for Alfa Romeo Mito or the Fiat 500 twinair both use the twinair engine but I believe they share the 105bhp version basically the same engine but higher level of tune done via a remap of the ECU also possibly different intake manifold and turbo? There is a simple plug in device that alters the boost, I'll have a look for the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIfQfWyrrLmrpMk The abarth engine shares the same technology, just more valves, more cylinders and of course a bigger turbo. Overall I'm fairly happy with the stock 85bhp but a little extra grunt would be helpful. I've heard 125 bhp is easily achievable. Not much info on tuning the Panda TA but have seen a few videos where they swap the engine for the bigger 1.4 t-jet abarth doing bigger turbo swaps etc kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmTan2CIeq2EpKM

[@pdtech4524]

@@firstbloood1 A good place to start would be the intake filter, there is probably a K&N panel filter that fits the stock housing? Or maybe an after market cold air intake. A solid metal boost pipe rather than the stock plastic one. Next thing I'd look at is a high flow catalytic converter, or even cat delete, the exhaust looks like a decent diameter for good none restrictive flow, centre box delete if yours has one, don't think mine has? Back box off something a bit sportier with better gas flow? I think the gains on an engine like this are going to be small improvements here and there which overall will provide a decent total gain. Manufacturers dub down the performance of these engines to meet emission laws, improve reliability and make the engines last longer. They do this by altering the map on the ECU, adjusting turbo boost etc When these tuning places remap the ECU, they just replace the stock map with a better map that opens up that restricted power. I'd like to try the 105bhp TA just to compare with mine, if there is much difference? I'm sure I read on one of the Fiat forums, it's just a different intake manifold and different turbo? Mine is currently all stock, would love a 'sport' button that opened up the power though, ECO mode just spoils the fun and seems to just make the throttle less responsive, Normal mode is where the fun starts but an extra Sport button would be cool for the overtake etc

[@pdtech4524]

@@firstbloood1 Keep us updated how you get on? 👍😎

[@pvflyer67]

As usual a great video thanks for posting. have you notice any increase in oil consumption since the big turbo install?

[@mst2212]

Top video guys, just subbed, you maybe young but you know your stuff. Hopefully looking to do something similar from the uk💪

[@learnmyname123]

Yea Tork is local to me, now I gotta go pick these up for the Dragon event, and to cream all you so cal boys at the next Fiat on the Snake. Also we wanna see the side by side of before and after

[@jackdale9831]

I like your Abarth hood. Did it come with the scoop on the left and the vent on the right, or were those holes you cut in the stock hood, and placed scoop & vent in the holes? Are there any extra-louvers you'd cut into the hood to vent heat/air? Do you pull-off to the side of the road & shut it off, if it starts POURING-DOWN-RAIN, as if you were caught in a cloud-burst? Would you have a "scoop-cover" & a "vent-cover," in case you carefully wanted to drive-through the cloud-burst? In some mid-western states, it pours so heavy for so long, if you were on the Interstate, you'd want a Semi-truck to drive in front of you, but you Not "drafting." I know the POINT of your vid was to "show us How," but what might a tuner-shop charge me for the same thing, if I'm "all-thumbs" when wrenching? The head gasket with the kit was not copper. Would there be an "advantage" to a copper head gasket? Thanks for answering my questions. You could list ALL your bolt-on/other parts, benefiting your "parts-guys", and to search-out your vids. I "think" I need 350-400HP, because the new Civic-R has 300 without power-adders. I Know 300'd take bigger injectors--would I need a cam-change, bigger turbo, more compression--Nitrous ? [ because while the Honda R has "300", you'd want to BEAT an R.] I have an AUTO. Probably have to "mod" that, also

[@BOB-cf5tp]

Those vents have a catch system to channel water away from the engine

[@TREKLlN]

Great vid! Any chance you know how to remove the rocker arms with the roller?

[@englanito]

you use your hand top compress the spring a bit and it unclips

[@spinsir1]

Is the web site that link is to not working?

[@westcoastdowny]

What ended up happening with the check engine light ?

[@CARTALKUK]

It would have been because they cranked it without plugging the coil packs back in

[@THESPICYMEATBALL93]

Are these the springs that got recalled ?

[@eddyd9521]

Thank you Damon. I have a 2012 Abarth. I will do this Upgrade to my Car. I think its well worth it.

[@ArthurSperotto]

Did the check engine light clear itself?

[@luciclaudiosichieri1815]

Hi Boss, can you update the link to buy the Abarth 124 springs please. thanks for the content, you are the best.

[@skyking7964]

Great video,i was wondering how does he know so much about the multi air? The kid with the beard

[@phillipstephens5772]

FYI These have been recalled

[@chainring_tattoo]

It appears no one cares these have grenaded several engines. Glad I dodged the bullet.

[@whoucallinstupid]

Chainring Tattoo who’s engine’s were ruined by these springs? Is there media on this in the forums or on FB?

[@mikeashbaugh7773]

Did you replace the militair filter?

[@boontindo]

Did you replace the manifold studs with bolts instead?

[@MrSpacelyy]

So stronger springs. Put more pressure on the rollers and the camshaft. Like a tradeoff. More power, more wear.

[@BlekSheep_1]

If I keep my '13 Dart turbo....you talked me into doing this. Thanks and have fun!

[@ArthurSperotto]

This was a damn good video!

[@JackSoffalot]

Nice job fellas! Enjoyed the video! Thanks

[@danielbuisman7356]

Question for you, you placed an aftermarket blow off valve on the cold side of the intercooler. But what did you do with the original one on the turbo, especially the connector which goes on the recirculation valve??

[@Kstxrd]

I know this is an old video, but could you tell me if you are still running the MA springs and if you still believe they are beneficial? Did you ever dyno to get new results?

[@2lazeblue]

I used to think that ticking sound was something bad, will do this when my warranty expires

[@SprayIgniteBoom]

I’m considering buying an Evo Abarth Punto (6spd and add a LSD). While looking 4 info your channel popped up...not gonna lie1st thought was “these dudes barely know how to SHAVE! Da fook dey know ‘bout mods???” Then U 2 started speaking proper gear ⚙️ head and I said ok 👌 I’ll watch...then u guys RIPPED IT down the street and I was reminded of street racing when I was your ages...but I was in waaaay shittier cars and I subbed. “Keep on ROCKIN in the FREE WORLD 🌎 “-N. Young 🔥👌🥸

[@mind_contr0l9]

Hey guys! First of all nice video. Have you heard about the multiair failure yet? Im watching this video because I wanted to see how to dismantle the multiair unit, because there has to be a loose nut where the springs are, which causes misfires from time to time. Can you confirm that? thx

[@zachwallway2766]

Any chance these upgraded springs come on the 500 abarths stock on certain years mines a 2015. I swapped mine and for some reason the ones I removed look to be the same thickness as the ones I got from tork

[@Maverick0139]

could i install this upgrade springs in my 2012 giulietta 1.4 turbo?? thanks, great work!!

[@alexseegmiller809]

I was wondering if you have a euro compulsions tune if you would have to reflash after an install like this

[@m103904]

Did you have an oil consumption problem before this if so did swapping the springs help?

[@1mtthree]

Got a 2012 500 started it up yesterday she had a very faint slight knock, I assumed oil was maybe cold and once at operating temp the noise will clean up. Well, uh, nope! @ 50,000 miles (with oil pressure warning @ idle rpm issue too) I think timing belt failed it cranks fast... I had a honda that ate a belt and this cranks (when starter engaged) the same exact way... owner thinks it spun a rod I think timing belt, but very low miles for this fail... What is your opinion?

[@igorgroza2545]

Hello my Friend. We are not interested in how it works inside there, but given that this engine has a serious design flaw, namely, it does not start after a long stop (more than 2 weeks) despite the operable kinematics of the control of valves by the Multiair module due to oil leakage from the module and the formation of air pockets in it. This disadvantage is exacerbated by the traditionally high oil consumption in this engine and the user can actually miss the critical moment of adding oil to the engine. In my case, this happened, the oil level dropped, when braking or tilting the car through the suction pipe, air got into the oil system (Multiair module hydraulics sistem) from the crankcase and the engine stopped. After topping up the oil, attempts to start the engine were unsuccessful. At the same time, compression and spark in all cylinders disappeared in the engine. The last oil 5W40 change was - 8000 km. back. The filt Multiair module er turned out to be clean, the mileage of the car is 960,000 km., the condition of the engine is good. Questions: 1. How can I bleed the Multiair module and remove air from it? 2. What is the luMultiair module brication scheme. 3. Why is there a small ball valve on the , from Multiair module he top under the filler neck? what is its function? Some experts in Utah advise pouring 240-280 ml through it into the Multiair module oil and then try to start the engine againe. I tried topping up, but nothing came of it, because the hole (1 mm) is very small. Senserly yours. Igor Groza 18.01.22 [e-mail]

[@johnbaily2218]

so I just got the springs in the mail, what tools do I need?

[@ungbung1]

Where can we buy these parts? Looking for Inconnel exhaust valves double valve springs new retainers.... Forged rods nitrided crank where can I buy?

[@danielescoccia6981]

Hi they can be installed on the original engine and it is true that they have been withdrawn? My car is a 500x multiair with mapping you have to remap?

[@yoyoinmode]

You guys really knowledgeable, thanks for the video

[@buchanan5985]

A review after two years?!

[@SomeOne-on6yf]

Just getting into the Fiat community, but could you swap the 2.4 landshark motor into the Abarth?

[@themarvelousvintage76]

The best engine Fiat ever built was the F.I.RE fully integrated robotized engine it was first released in 1985 and product until 2019 or 20 with the years they changed small things because the start of catalytic converter but engine was put on pretty much all Fiat cars Fiat uno,Fiat punto,Fiat panda was 999c.c producing around 50hp later they increased a little bit the C.C I really miss those cars😔

[@JustCreateYou]

Can I put them in if I haven't got a tune and haven't got no coil packs and no bigger turbo ... ? Dope video btw man wish I had a mechanic friend !

[@tbr.performance]

Abel Perez Yes! It’s a simple upgrade to the springs.

[@keithwittman4741]

Another stock upgrade is a lightweight flywheel.

[@wolfgangkoeppen52]

Hey I was wondering, I just did the mod today and I'm getting a loud tappet (louder than the rest) and I persists still after a couple hours of off and on idling, the idle smithed out and is running fine, im just put off by the really loud tapping noise.

[@lionsinn7966]

Did you ever figure out what that tapping sound was ?

[@wolfgangkoeppen52]

@@lionsinn7966 yeah it went away after a few days, I summed it up to trapped air and low oil from filling up the multair system

[@EatThemApples]

What was your wheel horse power and torque before the springs? Awesome build man!

[@dtorres2288]

Dam you guys are awesome thanks for the help 👍👍

[@JayTee124]

Sick vid bros! VC 💪 Thinking about this spring mod for my 124 spider 🕷

[@sebsshenanigans]

uh, what... people mod these things??? thats awesome!!! ahaha

[@tonybarrera8568]

wow that El Debarge it's a really cool mechanic, should be singing while modding the car Lmao..XD

[@krisn8820]

The rhythm of the night got him.

[@bjorman]

Prefill the unit with oil, prefill hole on the left side.

[@benitojuarez2951]

you now how change the gasket without remove the head ?

[@gerryrom65]

I have 500 pop 😔 do you think I can do the same upgrade 😅😅

[@wizardmanuel1022]

Will this mod work with all multi air engines?

[@benitojuarez2951]

How many pounds of torque for the valve cover

[@edwardfugol6408]

Hello, where is the Multiair Module Filter?

[@tristamrossi46]

What is that brace across the engine bay please what does it do and where’d you get yours from, thank you

[@tbr.performance]

This brace is from 500 madness! Its a chassis brace for the car to eliminate flex of the frame. You will feel a difference if you drive your car hard!

[@WarHippie21]

Definitely adding this mod to the list of shit I have to do!! Thanks for the solid video, Love the content!!

[@stevenlucero3450]

Where did u get the springs

[@Brian595_td04]

i need that for tjet 2018 have something for this engine?

[@frankoldschool16]

Best Little car in the world Bro...my friend Italy have an Abarth 1.4tjet 400 CV sequenzial shift rc111bacci Romano.... Monster , destroied rs3 , AMG,r8v8 ...100 kmh a 260 Is the best ...i love your Abarth Bro...how many horse Power you have?250 260? Respect from Italy Bro:)

[@LorenzoClara97]

Sequenziale? Chi?

[@frankoldschool16]

@@LorenzoClara97 cambio sequenziale ;)

[@perrosdemaiz]

How will this affect California smog testing (CARB)?

[@keithwittman4741]

Since no one has answered, I will inform you that they should not affect smog at all. Springs are only putting a small extra stress on the engine,to be able to close the valves at the higher rpms. Stopping the high rpm "floating",enables the engine to keep production of power. Whereas it dynoed a drop in power at high rpm,due to softer springs.

[@sotos862]

Does these 500 has an ECU remap ;Also I think these upgrade will not give any advantages because of the way that MultiAir Unit works. Cheers from Greece #MtD

[@surfcastingangelopicone6229]

Queste molle del modulo si vendono ?

[@miklosgergelyszentesi3332]

Boys, your video is very useful and very good detailed! I have the same engine in a Punto Evo. Once I already had to replace the whole Multiair system into a new one, but now, that I know, sping changing can save this whole equipment, I am definitely sure, I am going to replace my springs in the Multiair. Subscribe is recommended! ;)

[@aterservice]

al cambiar los resortes no produce despues q se prenda la luz de falla

[@benrichards3807]

Same affect on a non turbo 500?

[@froobtoob]

I'm trying to track down these springs and the only place I found was charging $410 CAD before taxes( with gasket.) anyone have a better price?

[@Dingo346]

Hello, I have a Alfa Giulietta multiair 1.4 150 HP 2017. I'm french. Where can i buy springs please ? Good job !!!

[@jasonschofield37]

@Nick Name i wouldnt either.fiat designed the multiair system for 10 years,im sure the stock springs are designed like they are on purpose.

[@TheOkayestGolfer]

That was a lot of work for nothing. MTD has proven that the springs are helper springs. Everything operates primarily on oil pressure. Here's to placebos...

[@hugolafhugolaf]

Pistons & Petrol has dynoed this mod and proved you wrong.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Wrong. Basic physics will tell you what is going on.

[@TheOkayestGolfer]

Mutliair Tuning and Development has proven you both wrong. Am I going to accept Dyno number from the guy making the parts and subsequently running the Dyno? No. Not that I don't believe Tork has their shit together, but he tunes a lot of shit. Fiats are probably the least of his concerns. His money is in the KDM right now. Secondly, can you dictate the equations, the laws of physics, the forges, the opposing forces, how the physics works behind this? If you can't, don't site physics, you ass hammer...

[@c0dv3t95]

Bro where did u find the spring upgrade kit?

[@tbr.performance]

Tork motorsports! Its the 124 spring upgrade

[@2111988L]

I got a problem withy multiair p1061 could this come from a weak spring? 🤔

[@jakubbatko9945]

And what happen with p1601?

[@obe6655]

What did happen to p1061?

[@aptknifethrowerguy8342]

first time you hit warp speed the vulcans will arrive...lol...i have a 2016 fiat sport...some day ill get an abarth

[@boontindo]

Turn yours into one.

[@aaronplaster5818]

Would it be worth doing it to a stock abarth?

[@tbr.performance]

Absolutely! It makes a difference tuned or not! You will notice it

[@aaronplaster5818]

@@tbr.performance awesome I'm going to have to get some!! Thanks for the reply!! Your channel is great really enjoy it

[@zlataglista]

HI, i can get spring dimensions. It is possible?

[@1uzfe]

Cutest angry car ever

[@bartekferenc9251]

Hi, how did you handle the assembly without a special multiair puller? www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/images/653-18-800.jpg

[@francisrego4937]

What was the code u got and did it go Away?

[@tbr.performance]

Francis Rego It was a cylinder 3 misfire because of the multi-air system not working correctly for the initial start up. It had to purge the air out of the system for it to work properly. Nothing crazy. We cleared the code and it never came back.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

VALLEY CREW you can purge the air by pushing the little button under the oil cap, and performing the start up procedure you were doing. Just drop some oil over the button while doing it and booom!

[@Enzo-zh3xk]

Nice job for the video but I think You forgot something very important. U remove the valve cover and u not going to replace the valve cover gasket! I'll bet you soon u will have oil everywhere and maybe cousing you more problem maybe lead you to blow piston

[@tbr.performance]

Enzo We thought the same thing but surprisingly enough, the gasket was in great shape and we still don’t have any leaks and we’ve taken the valve cover off twice.

[@Enzo-zh3xk]

@@tbr.performance Yes but no matter what u should always replace it or at least make ur own gasket might not see it now but eventually it will

[@olandocooperu7972]

Will these springs work for the 2.4?

[@lucac4752]

FAST! rich life! $$$

[@krisn8820]

His mind would be blown by cars with 5 valves per cylinder

[@Motosthetic]

Ik this is a tempting mod because it’s so cheap, but don’t do it it can damage your multiair brick it has blown many engines. Look up Tork multiair springs you’ll see countless forums of people having issues.

[@keithwittman4741]

Tork springs were recalled due to a manufacturer defect.

[@keithwittman4741]

Tork springs were recalled due to a manufacturer defect. Ok to get now.

[@LorenzoClara97]

What the heck? Why do you have a 500 with multiair? Tjet is way better

[@lorenzomaffeis3675]

Negli Stati Uniti è venduta con il Multiair

[@longbeachams]

Because t-jet isn’t offered in the U.S. If it was I would of bought a t-jet 500/595/695 buy unfortunately we do not have those motors available to us at U.S. dealership!