Fiat Multiair Spring How To Install Video

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Tork Motorsports

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@graeme2103
@graeme2103 4 жыл бұрын
Just finished the install on my 124 Abarth - the video was a great help. One thing to note - the bolts on my MA brick were T-45, not T-47 as on the unit John shows in the video. Don’t try to tap a T47 in with a hammer...
@bjorman
@bjorman 2 жыл бұрын
At 20:17 you talk about the oil, there is a oil pre fill hole on top on the timingbelt side, makes the starting easy.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
Yes there is, thank you for that.
@iHUFFstrPOTS
@iHUFFstrPOTS Жыл бұрын
Honestly was one of the most informative videos I’ve come across in the automotive world in a while, thank you for the info 🤘🏼
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@TormentedEnd
@TormentedEnd Жыл бұрын
I HATE THE INTERNET!!!! Every time I think my build list is complete I find another item that is a must have for smoother power delivery/ engine operation for my Dart. I'm not mad, I'm excited lol.
@robotpenguin914
@robotpenguin914 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! multiair oil filter torque spec = 27Nm! got this from the Jeep dealer up the street from me
@learnmyname123
@learnmyname123 2 жыл бұрын
Just did my install this weekend, ordered and received the springs all in the time that another order (from a different company) was delayed at a shipping facility 60 miles from my house. Top marks for delivery time.
@Snoopi25
@Snoopi25 2 жыл бұрын
from your experience, is it possible to replace the springs without taking the brick out? is there enough room for the springs to come out?
@TREKLlN
@TREKLlN 8 ай бұрын
Why can't these springs be used on a 2.4l with the same multiair if all they do is prevent floating and smoother operation. As far as I'm aware their function is identical and shouldn't play with timing
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
They are a different size. If I can get the 2.4 community to come together, I can get started on making these for them also.
@mfajma
@mfajma 5 жыл бұрын
"Tight but don't go crazy" is my favorite kind of torque spec.
@pplolo95
@pplolo95 4 жыл бұрын
snug plus some is what i've been working with lately lol
@ziolupo65cor55
@ziolupo65cor55 11 ай бұрын
Great explanation. thanks .You miss the use of that little ball valve ,visible from the fill cap hole. that little ball valve must be used to fill the system with manual oiler ,for a quick start ,avoiding repeated false start with lack of lubrication of the cylinders. Thanks again helps a lot.
@garrybetts3997
@garrybetts3997 5 жыл бұрын
Mate, terrific description. You would be a Good Fiat Ambassador. Had a 1973 128 and loved it. Now have a 1.4 Turbo Multiair 500x and still love them. Keep up the good work. Garry.
@faxxe71
@faxxe71 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Does it also happen with seasonal vehicles that the oil drains completely from the MA and the car therefore can not be started after a long break? Helps there also the mentioned hint to start the car again? Regards from Austria
@BookAutowerks
@BookAutowerks 6 жыл бұрын
Very thorough explanation of the multi-air; thank you! At what RPM do the factory springs start to float?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and excellent question on when they start to float. Based on what we have seen from the dyno results, it appears to be through the whole RPM band. However, the greatest gains we have noted have been at 5800 RPM and higher.
@SprayIgniteBoom
@SprayIgniteBoom 3 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports “Ain’t nothin’ wrong w/ur car. You bought the wrong car! The car you should be driving is the station wagon over there 👉! This is a sport car that needs to be REVVED!”K.Miller (Ford v Ferrari;-)
@SprayIgniteBoom
@SprayIgniteBoom 3 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports An expat USAF 🇺🇸 member living here in N.Italy since ‘03. Fiat makes some very ‘under valued’ quick cars over here...ok they’re not going to win an outright drag race or top spd run...but tight twisty 2 lane highway in a Evo Abarth Punto... AND a driver’s driver...all you’ll get is tail lights 😜 Most roads here are 1.5 lanes in our country, twisty, undulating, and CONCRETE buildings immediately next to the street...no room for mistakes. It’s also common to drive 55mph (90kmh) in a 30mph (50kmh), blow stop 🛑 signs and get tail gated while doing all of this...by a ‘soccer mom’ 😉⚙️🥸 Thanks for sharing bro!!!!!
@steveknight112
@steveknight112 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! The service manual calls the multiair filter a UNIAIR module engine oil filter and the torque spec is 27 Nm/20 ft lbs. I think even I can do this now. I just ordered the kit.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I couldn't find that specification anywhere :)
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 5 жыл бұрын
you probably know this already but for others learning " air filter " is a misnomer ( and omost got me confused thinking it was compressed air ) and is actually a pressured engine oil feed @ 40-80 psi~ ( im pretty sure ) to the " hydraulic lifters " / actuators brick assembly
@DSMerkonmyface
@DSMerkonmyface 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Dart 1.4 that may be needing a engine soon , it'd be nice to see someone do a video on swapping a low mileage engine or rebuilding a multiair .
@RR-nz2ve
@RR-nz2ve 4 жыл бұрын
In how many miles needs to do that work
@hardtostarboard3938
@hardtostarboard3938 Жыл бұрын
Have you made a video or know of one that disassembles the bottom parts with the clip and little spring to clean them or rebuild them?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
I hope to be making one soon.
@hardtostarboard3938
@hardtostarboard3938 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@jacobjingleheimer
@jacobjingleheimer Жыл бұрын
If I were to drive my renegade to Auburn, can you install springs and diverter valve, and program your tune? If so, is that a quick process?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
I can install all of that, but its not a quick process. MA springs take up to 8 hours to install, typically the install time is 4 to 6 hours pending any issues we run into (bolts stripping, studs with rusty bolts etc.).
@jacobjingleheimer
@jacobjingleheimer Жыл бұрын
@TorkMotorsports thanks for the reply. Need to save some duccats, n ill call to schedule. Spend a few days in Seattle/Tacoma.
@ArthurSperotto
@ArthurSperotto Жыл бұрын
John, doing this on a bone stock Abarth 500, is there a risk of running lean if relying solely on the factory tune to make the necessary corrections?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
Nope, the ECU will stop and lean condition from happening due to the way that its programmed and the sensors that are on the car. You are good to use these on any 1.4 Multiair engine.
@mgamma5001
@mgamma5001 5 жыл бұрын
nice, will you be distributing the custom PCV box, that was really sweet. Seems Chrysler/Jeep has some issues here as I have heard of other vehicles using lots of oil.
@thesheit2340
@thesheit2340 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative. I'm assuming the brick is full of oil when static? Meaning the sensor cannot be swapped or reseated without draining the oil?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but... it doesn't leak much oil when doing the swap.
@omarkrichati6977
@omarkrichati6977 9 ай бұрын
Dude awesome video! And to think I almost bought the install tool. Have a P0302 check engine light on my 2018 Fiat 124. I’m pretty sure that the multi air has failed. I wonder if anyone rebuilds them
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
To my knowledge everyone who has tried to rebuild them has failed in the long run.
@latitudenokia
@latitudenokia 2 ай бұрын
hey. did you fix your p0302 error? is it a multiair issue? i have the same problem. how to solve it? thank you
@omarkrichati6977
@omarkrichati6977 2 ай бұрын
@@latitudenokiadude it was a bent valve. Replaced the whole motor
@latitudenokia
@latitudenokia 2 ай бұрын
did you have this error after starting the engine? or only while driving? my problem is that when the engine is running it is ok, but when I drive the car I get a misfire error. new spark plugs, new injectors, new coils. compression checked and it is ok so the valve is probably out of the question. did you check the compression pressure
@latitudenokia
@latitudenokia 2 ай бұрын
??​@@omarkrichati6977
@ginobragoli1448
@ginobragoli1448 10 ай бұрын
Heard this multiair unit is very prone to failing is that true? Was always under the impression you needed the special installation tool otherwise risk bending a valve?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say its any more prone to failure than any other part on any other car.
@hydrostaticshocker3048
@hydrostaticshocker3048 2 жыл бұрын
I need to do valve seals but can't find any decent video about them. I'm actually surprised that valve seals weren't part of this seeing as how they are basically exposed when tearing it down this far. Also, is there spring upgrades for the actual intake valve springs underneath the multiair block? Thanks
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Not exposed at this point and it would require another social tool to do them.
@krzysm5
@krzysm5 2 жыл бұрын
John, i have 15 jeep Cherokee and after replacing multiair with used 30k miles unit and the engine want start it cranks freely sounds like no compression same thing with original multiair that was on the car lol wtf went wrong...thanks
@RadDadisRad
@RadDadisRad 5 жыл бұрын
Saw you on P&P channel. You seem like a no BS person. I appreciate your candid matter-of-fact attitude. Subbed. Side not I am buying a Alfa Romeo Guilia QV
@villegas9536
@villegas9536 6 жыл бұрын
Great video !!! Do you think you guys could do an install video on the Colombo and Bahraini multi air upgraded cams ? Or even how to replace a timing belt on the multi air engine thanks !!!
@anon99user99
@anon99user99 Жыл бұрын
The "leak points" in the plate allow air to be expelled. Fluid would only drip thru even under pressure.
@SherryBailey-n2k
@SherryBailey-n2k Жыл бұрын
How u change out the solidesthe clips that broke off
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
I don't think you can.
@andrewj2191
@andrewj2191 2 жыл бұрын
The little followers that are in 3 pieces with the spring in them and the retaining ring. If one of these has fallen apart, and you can’t find the retaining ring. Can you get new ones? Or can you just assemble without ?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
You cannot get new ones, and you cannot assemble without. I may have a few spares at the shop, so if you need one reach out to us.
@masspeedcustomss2542
@masspeedcustomss2542 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video ill probly watch it 18 million times good work jon and eddie !!!
@jay1978xboxlive
@jay1978xboxlive Жыл бұрын
Can this apply to the dodge dart 2.4. I just installed one on mine. Now im having the issue of it not starting. I did all the steps before my battery went dead. Im trying not to take it all back apart
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
I just made a request from the community a few days ago about needing 100 people who are committed to making the MA spring for the 2.4 engine. I think we got 12 people confirmed, lol.
@NAUM_DJ
@NAUM_DJ 4 жыл бұрын
Thank huge help! MY 2013 500T IS SMILING SO BIG RIGHT NOW!
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feed back .
@jrtortellini2540
@jrtortellini2540 4 жыл бұрын
Any videos on timing belt replacement or turbo adjustments/replacement ?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, we do not have anything like that at this time.
@garygirouard3328
@garygirouard3328 7 ай бұрын
So the oil bleads out of the brick when the car sits for too long doesn't allow the valve to open and the car won't start!
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
Yes.
@GordonMcDowell2374
@GordonMcDowell2374 2 жыл бұрын
AWSOME video bro. i wish your shop was here in the small town in kansas that i lived, i would have a valve brick job for you with out a question. i learned i had better not attempt this one in my drive way and find someone who knows what they are doing.. I do have one question, when replacing the brick, does the head have to be redone too?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
No, the had doesn't have to be redone. Thank you for the kind comments.
@XAndrewMillerX
@XAndrewMillerX 6 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for my kit to arrive! Thanks for the video as it will make the work that much easier, you’re the best!
@arlequin7002
@arlequin7002 5 жыл бұрын
Was about to purchase this kit online through your site but I see the springs with an option to include the gasket kit. In the video it states the gasket kit is included but I just wanted to verify before purchasing. Is the gasket kit included in the $89 price? Video should be updated to reflect this, if this is not the case. I'm assuming this is not included bc of the price difference $89 vs $150 for just the gasket kit doesn't make economic sense yet its stated in the video, that it's included 22:44
@BlekSheep_1
@BlekSheep_1 5 жыл бұрын
Where else would you get this, much less any cheaper? Let me know if you do but I would check quality first
@BlekSheep_1
@BlekSheep_1 5 жыл бұрын
And yes....I heard $189(ish) for everything in the video.... that's why I am waiting on a reply before purchasing
@arlequin7002
@arlequin7002 5 жыл бұрын
@@BlekSheep_1 Yup, waiting for a reply also but I'm pretty sure the gasket kit is seperate
@BlekSheep_1
@BlekSheep_1 5 жыл бұрын
@@arlequin7002 👀👍
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
All pricing is on the website at damnfastdd.com I do not make the prices for the gaskets guys, those come from Fiat... complain to them if you want :)
@SherryBailey-n2k
@SherryBailey-n2k Жыл бұрын
Those clips that goes into the engine mine broke off how do I change them out
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
I don't think you can.
@tarekgaspar148
@tarekgaspar148 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on replacing broken multi air solenoid?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
You cannot replace the solenoid to my knowledge, has to be the whole unit.
@bobg9873
@bobg9873 4 жыл бұрын
Good video - lots of info. Would you know where can I find an in-car Multiair brick and control signal check, to determine if brick is toast? Thanks!
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Need factory scan tool to determine if the brick is bad, sorry.
@FormulaRoyale
@FormulaRoyale 4 жыл бұрын
Just did the spring upgrade. When I did the first startup, it ran perfectly. No rough idle, no stumbling, ran as if I never worked on the MultiAir. Took it out for a test drive and pulls hard and seems to be working as expected. No CEL codes. Ever run into this? Should I be concerned?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
You did the install properly, congrats!
@noahhorton400
@noahhorton400 4 жыл бұрын
can this be done with the cylinder head still in the car? I really loved the video but that is one major question because I'd like to not have to take the head off if it's not necessary
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@paulstandaert5709
@paulstandaert5709 4 жыл бұрын
I am trying to understand how the variable valve lifting actually works. The cam pushes on a follower which presses a plunger which displaces oil which is used to push open the valves. Do the oil solenoids relieve the oil pressure created by the displacement in order to adjust the valve timing, duration, and lift at programmed intervals? Even with the most modern 0w20 oil, I am not confident in this system working at -25 Fahrenheit or so.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
There is some very good literature on this system on line.
@paulstandaert5709
@paulstandaert5709 4 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports Not really. I have looked.
@ArthurSperotto
@ArthurSperotto Жыл бұрын
@@paulstandaert5709 not hard enough
@giorgiolupinacci7301
@giorgiolupinacci7301 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a DIY! What benefits are these springs over the oem?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
More power, smoother power delivery.
@antonioamendola4474
@antonioamendola4474 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video , it’s on my list of mods on my 500 Abarth
@Azzurra2k
@Azzurra2k 4 жыл бұрын
Can you pop the multiair brick off in car with the timing belt still on
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@moneygrip4464
@moneygrip4464 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't have to use the special tool to compress the springs when removing the multi air?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, just be careful and take your time.
@henrybellosocruz1609
@henrybellosocruz1609 4 жыл бұрын
I did all step by step but my engine won’t start I don’t know if the timing is automatic or I have to put on time 0 to put the valve ensamble let me know thanks
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
The MA timing is building into the camshaft and the timing belt, so if you didn't remove the timing belt, you should be fine. Did you confirm the install and make sure that the assembly went down properly when getting bolted back down?
@ducatimikep
@ducatimikep 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Have wanted more detailed information on this!
@yzack5521
@yzack5521 5 жыл бұрын
I have the problem that the spark plug doesnt burn, and one valves is a bit lower compared to the others..
@MohammadAtaei-iq9sg
@MohammadAtaei-iq9sg Жыл бұрын
Hello, dear friend, can I ask you a question?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
You can.
@chauboii
@chauboii 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explination and important tips+warnings that you can only learn from experience
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, and you are welcome.
@turbogsr702
@turbogsr702 4 жыл бұрын
I’m going to be replacing a multiair brick on my 2012 500 sport here soon. I see that you’re replacing this brick with the head removed from the car. Is the procedure still as simple as this is if I replace the brick with the engine in the car?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
You have to keep it off the head, because the head bolts require you to do those with the head torn down.
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, is those 1.4l Turbo with Multiair engines relieable? What would you say? tnx on answer :)
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Considering they can be built to make 200 HP per liter on the stock internals... I would say that is a reliable engine. Look at it this way, if any other V8 were to make 200 HP per liter, they would all be makin 1000 + HP.
@williamwalker3163
@williamwalker3163 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a question, I have a 2013 fiat 500 pop, non turbo. I tried to push down on the bleeder ball, and it took alot of pressure to move. Now it does not come back up. I will take of the multiair unit if this can be corrected. Otherwise I think I may plug the hole with a screw. Its pumping a lot of oil and I think plugging it would be a temporary fix till warmer weather gets here. What are your thoughts on this. And yes I realize this is an unconventional fix.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't plug it and it will reset itself when you start the car.
@rickcollinsva
@rickcollinsva 2 жыл бұрын
I could only feel bleeder go in when turning car over
@forksspoons
@forksspoons 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is a stupid question but I will ask: these springs can resolve the P1062-17 (Cylinder 2 Uniair Actuation Electrovalve Signal - Actuator Stuck) problem? I have this error only on the colds mornings.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it will not fix a bad MultiAir unit.
@blade913
@blade913 5 жыл бұрын
So is the issue regarding the springs more in response to the fact that the OEM springs lack the decompression strength to close completely, and possibly open completely?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is why we have this upgrade.
@blade913
@blade913 5 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports Ok, just wanted to be clear. Never would've thought the springs would be "under" powered. I would think it'd improve gas savings.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
@@blade913 we have been getting feed back from 100's of people about the springs. Fuel savings, more power, smoother acceleration. Many benefits to the springs with no draw backs.
@blade913
@blade913 5 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports Only question is if it's available for the 2.4L that's in the Jeep renegade! lol
@Shadowfax2121
@Shadowfax2121 6 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy! Suggestion to show those bleeder holes - Shine a light behind them and they should show up on camera better. Probably. lol Thanks for making this - I'm picking a set up for Christmas. By the way, do we need to reset the ECU to reset learning?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
No reason for ECU reset, and thank you on the tip for showing the pin hole with light.
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei 6 жыл бұрын
Did I miss the dyno test before/after springs on a working stage1 car or it's not on the channel yet?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
Go over to the pistons and petrol youtube page and they have a few videos up. I have a video we are working on, but I want to test an NA 1.4 multiair to finish the video with.
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei 6 жыл бұрын
Tork Motorsports great looking forward to that!
@mikeking1912
@mikeking1912 Жыл бұрын
Do you still offer this kit
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Yes we do.
@chappledesign
@chappledesign 3 жыл бұрын
This video is incredible. Q: I got my head off and all back together and MONTHS LATER discovered the "mystery" cover bolt, the one down in the hole, was forgotten! I must have screwed it back into a non bracket flange hole on the top of the cover somewhere. ANYWAYS, is that bolt the same as all of the other ones? 8mm and same height? Thanks
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it is the same size.
@jameskime5533
@jameskime5533 5 жыл бұрын
28-30 ft pounds seems high for the multiair bolts? Thanks
@rickcollinsva
@rickcollinsva 2 жыл бұрын
It is
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 5 жыл бұрын
tork M-S why are you recommending changing the only cam hydraulic actuators springs vs the head intake valve springs ( valve springs are probably more bang for the buck $$$ ? ) ? because the way I understand it at " full load or wide open throttle " the electric solenoids are closed ( that's why in fail safe mode it sounds different at idle is because that system is disabled / unplugged ) all the way and do nothing ( especially after the turbocharger comes on boost / your past the dead spot in the camshaft power band ) and basically the cam makes it a " racing hydraulic roller " profile just like cars without multi-air parts with a single overhead camshaft that is dual patterned off topic but why is dodge not using this the v-8 hemisphere ( and has more potential than Eaton dod lifters that have a habit of failing and wrecking the hole engine even the GM LSX guys don't like them ether from stock form using the same engine part supplier /design ) ? engines looks pretty easy to retrofit to the heads and from researching it would benefit the larger engines more than the 1.5 4-cyd ish size ???
@estevanrios7948
@estevanrios7948 3 жыл бұрын
Do you need to prime the system before starting the engine once install is complete or do you just start it up and wait for the idle to clear up after starting and stopping the engine ?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you must prime the system after this install. 30 to 60 seconds of crank time are normally sufficient.
@rickcollinsva
@rickcollinsva 2 жыл бұрын
What is torque for little screws on top??
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 7 ай бұрын
Its not much, but I don't remember. Sorry.
@BlekSheep_1
@BlekSheep_1 5 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between the Fiat 500 l.4T and the 500L 1.4T? I'm looking for the kit to do my 2013 Dart 1.4T Thanks!
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing...
@chrisdavis5924
@chrisdavis5924 4 жыл бұрын
So instead of the cam lobe hitting every time like your springs do, stock misses that 1 beat, then 2 turns in it finally hits? Losing oil compression via loss of intake air, so will this make chattering knock of the brick go away ?????
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and no it still makes noise.
@chrisdavis5924
@chrisdavis5924 4 жыл бұрын
My 1.4 is tuned very well,but i still feel the higher revs around 4800 to 5500rpm something is missing and I'm wondering if its those springs.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisdavis5924 who's tune do you have?
@chrisdavis5924
@chrisdavis5924 4 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports Eurocomplusion, was running the new maxpower pro from madness, but the 420 code isn't good to run forever.
@randyshoyemi6857
@randyshoyemi6857 4 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports how do i get this parts
@raymondford1857
@raymondford1857 2 жыл бұрын
We're can I get the kit from
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
www.torkmotorsports.net
@vietho875
@vietho875 Жыл бұрын
I get cause the engine to have no compression? Even after leak down test and found no leak anywhere and also no oil pressure occurred so what else could it be anyone no what could it be?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Stuck valve, lifter no compressing, etc.
@PistonsAndPetrol
@PistonsAndPetrol 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation brother!
@gunsfromtheglade
@gunsfromtheglade Жыл бұрын
Where do i buy this kit?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Here you go: torkmotorsports.net/collections/fiat-abarth-500/products/1-4-multiair-upgraded-springs
@pdtech4524
@pdtech4524 5 жыл бұрын
Now I understand the multiair system on my Fiat Panda 0.9 Twinair turbo and how it works! I had no clue 😊 So do the stiffer springs give better engine response, more power etc?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yes and yes to the power and response time.
@SuperSedingAngeL-yr0
@SuperSedingAngeL-yr0 2 жыл бұрын
Him: Be careful with the multiair, they break really easy. Proceeds to fail breaking the multiair. Multiair: wanna piece of me?! let's GO!
@adammacejko1194
@adammacejko1194 6 жыл бұрын
So you suggest to do also on stock car? What kind of impact on my engine would IT have in reality? Thx
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
I suggest doing this to every car. There is no negative impact that I can think of and nothing but positive that can come from this.
@denizgrediushko6267
@denizgrediushko6267 3 жыл бұрын
Hello friend !!!) I have a multiar knocking in the third cylinder, what can knock there ??? (Help me please !!!
@denizgrediushko6267
@denizgrediushko6267 3 жыл бұрын
When the engine is cold, it does not knock, when it warms up it starts knocking, but the mito rides well
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Hard to tell, but I would check the oil pressure.
@jonmalanos
@jonmalanos 4 жыл бұрын
Do I not have to make a bead of rtv all around the valve cover even though I have a new gasket or is it just those specific points? What's the torque spec for the valve cover bolts?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
No, just at the ends where the factory RTV was placed. .
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
I never check torque on the valve cover bolts, if I had to guess 8 to 10 ft lbs.
@jonmalanos
@jonmalanos 4 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports awesome thanks, going to finish the install now
@perrosdemaiz
@perrosdemaiz 5 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend this for non-turbos? What kind of gain would you speculate for non turbo? Would it be detectable at a California smog shop?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, highly recommended for non turbo applications.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
No, not detectable in CA.
@Demoni696
@Demoni696 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all you do for the MultiAir community! I only see the spring upgrade listed on your webpage not the "complete kit". If I choose the gasket upgrade for the spring upgrade do I get the "complete kit"? Or is the complete kit not listed yet?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
If you look under the springs, there is an option box for the gaskets. damnfastdd.com
@giorgiolupinacci7301
@giorgiolupinacci7301 6 жыл бұрын
Found my answer thanks!
@SherryBailey-n2k
@SherryBailey-n2k Жыл бұрын
​@@TorkMotorsportshow do I replace the clip's that goes into the engine
@BlekSheep_1
@BlekSheep_1 5 жыл бұрын
Nice detailed vid. Thanks! I need this kit for my '13 Dodge Dart 1.4 turbo
@chrisdavis5924
@chrisdavis5924 4 жыл бұрын
'13 what number, im 139
@AlvinBrinson
@AlvinBrinson 6 жыл бұрын
Purpose of the bleed holes? Possibly to let air out that has gotten in... Not going to lose much oil pressure through them but air will pass through much more easily. That's where the air goes when you spend 5 minutes cranking after it has sat or been apart.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 6 жыл бұрын
I honestly have no idea. Whats odd, they are not mentioned in any tech manual or listed in any videos I have watched.
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 5 жыл бұрын
from what i have read/seen the "bleed holes" are designed the same way as hydraulic lifters so basically the " lifters" are now being used as push rods without rocker-arms directly on top of the valves and would work with out the computer / the electronic parts like the solenoids ( just collapse the lifters on purpose using a pwm signal ) just then you would need a more street-able camshaft because i sepect that the " stock " fiat camshaft choice is a little " racey for everyone on a daily driver
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 5 жыл бұрын
just as a side note for reference go look at some early flatheads engines and some of the valve train is setups are the same ( concept wise ) way especially on in line engines hydraulic flat tapit lifter ( roller lifters would work too if there's room to fit them ) setups and some later ohv I-6s and i think how you can change the " rocker arm" geometry is to use a different size cam actuator ( 1in x 1in~ ) vs lifter pistons ( 3/4 in x 1-1/4in~ ) = 1.6 ish ratio rocker arm kinda like how a hydraulic floor jack / bottle jack works o and one more thing engine oil is omost incomprehensible but under a vacuum it will cavitat = loss of engine power so its better to pressure-rise it at the valves vs pulling the hydraulic actuator plungers with more force in my opinion
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
@@richardprice5978 problem being... there are a lifter/bleed hole down lower on the assembly, and not only that, but they have a bleed on the end of the assembly also.
@armandoflores9006
@armandoflores9006 2 жыл бұрын
my 2015 Fiat Abarth started fine, move the car back 10 to cleanout garage, an hour later the car just cranked and it sounded like it had no compression.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Common, the MA brick filled with air and now you have to get it bleed and started. When you get the springs installed, you have to get the car started, and let it run for several minutes.
@fixbilolsvik7089
@fixbilolsvik7089 4 жыл бұрын
When its clicking on cylinder 1 you think it would help changing the springs? Or is the whole module broken?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
I would have to hear the click.
@fixbilolsvik7089
@fixbilolsvik7089 4 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports It sounds pretty much like a bad tappet.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
@@fixbilolsvik7089 possibly, I am not there to hear it or test for different things so I wouldn't know.
@johnarcher4189
@johnarcher4189 5 ай бұрын
Would love to know what you did to resolve this Cyl 1 clocking sound. My 2014 Pop has been doing same,…plus I’ve lost compression on that cylinder as of recent. Any experience w/ your resolution that you care to share would be kindly and greatly appreciated. Thanks, John
@maherhannawayya9549
@maherhannawayya9549 4 жыл бұрын
is there a spring kit for Multiair of the 2.4 Tigershark ?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Not at this time.
@airman64
@airman64 5 жыл бұрын
I was woundering how can i rebuild the multiair 1.4 with all original parts ,were do i buy this?thanks
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
You cannot rebuild it, if its bad... you need to buy a new one.
@priestley800
@priestley800 4 жыл бұрын
What’s the torque setting for the cam carrier please :)?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
26 ft lbs, I think
@babyjesus1919
@babyjesus1919 4 жыл бұрын
what is the torque sequence for the brick bolts?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
I am going to recommend the service manual for that because I do not know.
@MistaHolism
@MistaHolism 4 жыл бұрын
Really cool video man. 1)How this engine ended up on your table, don't they last enitre car life? 2) My Fiat shows P1064-00 CYLINDER 4 OIL SUPPLY SOLENOID VALVE STUCK - wonder if you ever had those and how you guys fix that?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
The only fix is a new MA unit.
@forksspoons
@forksspoons 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Did you fix your problem ? I have the same problem with the 2 cylinder. Thanks!
@MistaHolism
@MistaHolism 2 жыл бұрын
New MA unit + head gasket
@King_Lyrid
@King_Lyrid Жыл бұрын
20ft-lbs of torque on the multiair filter, in case any one is wondering.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@irazemljanska6036
@irazemljanska6036 4 жыл бұрын
Is multiair from turbo engine is the same in NA 1.4 ? And can i just transfer missing parts ( turbo some sesors and ECU )to my NA engine?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that they are the same, so you should be good to swap them.
@ragingsloth6605
@ragingsloth6605 5 жыл бұрын
Will this spring I’ll it be beneficial for a 2016 dart gt with a 2.4?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Will not work on the 2.4
@RunForFun729
@RunForFun729 5 жыл бұрын
this kit works in 2013 dodge dart 1.4l turbo? and the kit gives more hp or tq?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, and the dyno sheets have been posted.
@McManiac187
@McManiac187 4 жыл бұрын
I have a louder then usual ticking sound after of the new springs is this normal???
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it should quiet down with an oil change.
@McManiac187
@McManiac187 4 жыл бұрын
Tork Motorsports seemed to quiet down today
@tomespirovski1760
@tomespirovski1760 4 жыл бұрын
@ tork motorsports I live in Australia how can I get these springs!?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
Email, sales@damnfastdd.com and they will get you taken care of.
@kolbpilot
@kolbpilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining how the oil circulation works on the brick. I was wondering about that? The bleed holes (in my humble opinion) are what allows the Multiair oil to fall back down & rejoin the other oil ? Oil has to circulate through the brick somehow, though it seems at a much, much slower rate compared to the rest of the engine.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
I would thinks it's more about making sure that the MA unit has a fresh supply of oil.
@kolbpilot
@kolbpilot 3 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports : Agreed, but the "brick" obtains its oil from from the supply in the sump. Surely it was designed to go at least 2 quarts low engine wise before the oil supply in the "brick" is affected ? The "brick" to me, likes a steady supply of thin, clean oil. It's no big deal at all, but it takes a mechanic's mind to keep up with the oil & the car in general.
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
@@kolbpilot 1 quart low and the MA starts to suffer lift losses.
@kolbpilot
@kolbpilot 3 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports : Thanks. I'm still learning the system.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
The bleed holes are to allow air out. Without them the chambers on the MA bricks couldn't get filled with oil.
@chauboii
@chauboii 3 жыл бұрын
Whats the torque specs on the cover? Tighten from middle outward?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly, do not have those specs in front of me or remember. I want to say it was like 80 inch lbs and you tighten from the center and work you way out
@davechapple9253
@davechapple9253 6 жыл бұрын
How do you remove the head from the car? Without pulling the entire engine. Can this be done?
@davechapple9253
@davechapple9253 5 жыл бұрын
How about this question: Can the valve cover be removed without removing the intake? There is a plastic flange that hangs over the valve cover :-/
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
@@davechapple9253 yes, you just have to take your time and pay attention.
@chappledesign
@chappledesign 3 жыл бұрын
@@TorkMotorsports I just saw this. Were you answering "Can you remove the head without pulling the engine or pulling the entire front end off the car " ? :-) I need to check the head gasket.
@robertconnors1023
@robertconnors1023 4 жыл бұрын
Not clear of the advantages of the upgraded springs?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 4 жыл бұрын
More power and smoother power curve.
@JHOOK1
@JHOOK1 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you buy kit from?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
Torkmotorsports.net
@giorgiolupinacci7301
@giorgiolupinacci7301 5 жыл бұрын
Do you put sealer on the valve cover gasket other than those spots you showed?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yea, but not in this video.
@torerotigreen9198
@torerotigreen9198 5 жыл бұрын
Will this work on a Fiat 500 pop?
@TorkMotorsports
@TorkMotorsports 5 жыл бұрын
Yes and proven horsepower gains also.
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