FIGHT CLUB and Toxic Masculinity with guest Gabe Kapler

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@CinemaTherapyShow 2 жыл бұрын

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@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Testosterone is just a Fuel. It's feminism . That causes fear in his power and sexuality

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Tyler started blaming capitalism. He what he created was Antifa

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Feminist always play the daughter card but what if your daughter is product of sperm jacking .and homeless paying child support. Or your daughter is horrible person just her mother who you married.

@kazumajay 2 жыл бұрын

Guys you have to talk about Rocky Balboa and his psychology

@charityheath1273 2 жыл бұрын

Please do the Phantom of the Opera🤗

@camdenbaucke5477 2 жыл бұрын

A great line from a fellow therapist was “a child benefits from a great amount of discipline, which needs to be matched and overwhelmed by a great amount of love.”

@darthplagueis13 2 жыл бұрын

Generally true, however there's also a risk involved. A lot of shitty parenting is the outcome of people thinking that this is what they are doing when in fact, they just constantly do unpredictable 180's between screaming at their children and pampering them, which results in children being raised to become socially inept people who have a hard time accepting boundaries. Discipline is a commonly misunderstood concept because it's not about being needlessly harsh, it's about establishing rules, making the child understand why those rules exist and being entirely consistent around them - if your child either does not know why it is being punished or does not understand why what it did was wrong beyond being told not to do so, then you have failed. It's a good general approach, however there's a lot of people who would not respond well to this phrasing because what you don't want to happen is just give off mixed messaging to your child.

@wwbit 2 жыл бұрын

sounds like a bipolar parent, children need steady, consistent, safe and thoughtful a whole lot more than "discipline" with smothering, self-serving "love" proclamations... Tough love is a fraud.

@Crouteceleste 2 жыл бұрын

You don't need discipline if your child understands the goal and the benefits of your rules because you have taken the time to explain them, and that they feel safe enough to follow them while still experimenting with their choices… Children are not good little soldiers marching towards what you want their future to become because you think it's the best course of action.

@renaigh 2 жыл бұрын

sounds like Damage Control to me.

@ghouling1111 2 жыл бұрын

However- many fail to understand the diference between discipline and abuse, for example- hitting is never discipline and no amount of 'love' can make up for the trauma that hitting causes, it only teaches that those that 'love us' hurt us and that love is pain.

@battery2720 Жыл бұрын

The insperation behind writing the book is so fascinating. The writer was beaten up on a vacation, and when he returned to work, no one asked him why he had bruises on his face. No one wanted to create a connection with him. He became fascinated with this idea about connections, and that's what got hum started with writing Fight Club.

@angelemeana2754 Жыл бұрын

Please don’t make sexual jokes or advances or swear God wouldn’t like that and there are children here May God bless you and your family and help you Give your life to Jesus Christ and repent. I pray that God will lead on the path to Jesus Christ and send the Holy Spirit to be your helper. I pray this in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray Amen! Jesus Christ loves you. Give your life to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness for ALL OF YOUR SINS. Even the ones committed in the past and repent. He’s coming soon. Please pray and repent. GOD IS ALPHA AND OMEGA!!! THE BEGINNING AND THE END!!! GOD SENT HIS SON DOWN TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. PLEASE GIVE YOUR LIFE TO HIM!!! PRAY AND REPENT AND GOD IS COMING!!!!!! THERE IS NO TIME. FELLOW CHRISTIANS GOD WILL BE COMING DON’T LOSE FAITH!!! PLEASE!! PRAY FOR STRENGTH AND DON’T DOUBT HIM!!! Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:10 “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” 2 Peter 3:1-18 “1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. GOD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HY SPIRIT IS ALPHA AND OMEGA!! 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” GOD, JESUS CHRIST, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALPHA AND OMEGA.

@battery2720 Жыл бұрын

@@angelemeana2754 Where the fuck did I make a sexual joke? None of the shit I just wrote was about sex. The fact that you confused me talking about relationships between human beings as sex makes you the sinner bud.

@doctorheck2186 Жыл бұрын

@@angelemeana2754 Bullshit

@MsFlyingSnake 2 жыл бұрын

I love that in the book****spoilers for the book ending***, instead of being dragged there against her will, Marla shows up at the end with a group of people from all of their support groups as an intervention because she recognized that he was at a turning point where he would accept help. It ends with him in an institution, exchanging letters with her.

@cerisejaxel9636 2 жыл бұрын

That’s really interesting! I almost think I prefer that ending. Fight Club is a good movie, but I’m not really interested in seeing it again, or reading the book. So I appreciate the spoilers. Thanks.

@angelemeana2754 Жыл бұрын

@@cerisejaxel9636 Please don’t make sexual jokes or advances or swear God wouldn’t like that and there are children here May God bless you and your family and help you Give your life to Jesus Christ and repent. I pray that God will lead on the path to Jesus Christ and send the Holy Spirit to be your helper. I pray this in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray Amen! Jesus Christ loves you. Give your life to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness for ALL OF YOUR SINS. Even the ones committed in the past and repent. He’s coming soon. Please pray and repent. GOD IS ALPHA AND OMEGA!!! THE BEGINNING AND THE END!!! GOD SENT HIS SON DOWN TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. PLEASE GIVE YOUR LIFE TO HIM!!! PRAY AND REPENT AND GOD IS COMING!!!!!! THERE IS NO TIME. FELLOW CHRISTIANS GOD WILL BE COMING DON’T LOSE FAITH!!! PLEASE!! PRAY FOR STRENGTH AND DON’T DOUBT HIM!!! Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:10 “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” 2 Peter 3:1-18 “1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. GOD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HY SPIRIT IS ALPHA AND OMEGA!! 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” GOD, JESUS CHRIST, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALPHA AND OMEGA.

@cerisejaxel9636 Жыл бұрын

@@Ojas97 Makes sense to me!

@Kiki-cs8xv 2 жыл бұрын

As a simple summary: you can't threaten someone into achieving their dream. You can inspire with your example. You can challenge someone with tough but achievable steps. But you can't make someone do better by giving them a "be better or die" ultimatum.

@yetanotherbassdude 2 жыл бұрын

I'd never really thought of it this way before, but the Raymond scene is actually a great example of how people in positions of power can lie to themselves and to others that the awful things they do are really for the greater good and are helping others, when in reality they're doing irreparable harm. Raymond K. Hessel's life would probably have been ruined by the PTSD from his experience, and he'd probably not even taste his breakfast the next day because he'd be so terrified that Tyler/Narrator would be coming back to kill him. Inspiring others to better themselves requires risk and consequences for failure, but that has to be tempered with support, love and respect. Violence or threats of violence have no place in that, because even if someone does achieve things because you made them afraid, the damage you've done is inevitably worse for them than the improvement they made through their achievements.

@Cora.T 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ladynoluck 2 жыл бұрын

It also shows the toxicity of what appear to be positive messages. “Pursue your dreams at all costs!” Even if you don’t have the money to afford it so starve to get the money. Even if you know that you’ll never get the job you want or it’ll never pay you enough to live. Even if a practical approach would lead to that dream in the long run or in a more realistic way-you’re a failure if you aren’t making steps to your dreams.

@ChaosRocket 2 жыл бұрын

I think the main problem is really, why on earth would he believe this crazy guy with a gun? Who is actually going to buy that enrolling in college is what will keep you safe from him? Nobody threatens people to make them go to college, he’s not going to believe for a second that this was the actual motivation and that going to school will keep the guy away from him. Any normal person would simply buy a gun to protect themselves from future attacks, not enroll in school.

@LyriaSiders 2 жыл бұрын

It is kind of similar to what Jigsaw is trying to do in Saw: making people fear for their lives in order to make them appreciate life. However, I also think that completely misses the mark and instead of making people appreciate life it just makes them have to live through it riddled with trauma.

@woogha 2 жыл бұрын

I was recently assaulted at my work. The broke my hand, tossed me around like a rag doll and shattered my sense of safety and self worth. I lost my job as a result. It was my passion. And in an instant everything was gone. I still can't enjoy things 3 months later. I don't sleep. I have constant nightmares about the assault or about the people in my life discarding me because I'm not as useful as I used to be. The pain meds for my broken hand caused a psychological break. They finally got the guy. But my breakfast still isn't beautiful.

@DeePeeZee 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry. You didn't deserve that. I hope you are getting support for this.

@woogha 2 жыл бұрын

@@DeePeeZee thank you for the kind words. I'm trying to get support. It's hard to get mental health support in Mississippi with no real job. But I'm making it. The only way out is through.

@AnInsideJoke 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any way you could appeal for an unlawful or unwarrented firing (for when you are feeling comfortable enough again to return to the workforce)? Because it's almost sounding like they're trying to lay the blame for the assult on you or something, and that's not right.

@woogha 2 жыл бұрын

@@AnInsideJoke unfortunately no. The termination was because I grabbed product before it was paid for and that's when I was assaulted. They claim I caused the situation. And I am shown on camera defending myself which was apparently against the rules. I may be cleared to go back to them after a period of time but MS right to work laws are pretty clear that I have no legal standing for any firing. I just hope to sue the guy who assaulted me once I am able to get a lawyer.

@FlyingWolve 2 жыл бұрын

That's some shit...Iwhich you all the best luck in the world ❣️keep your head up and try to talk through it or heal yourself with the good things in life to overcome this shitty experience..it might take time but don't ever feel bad for that or blame yourself that would be horrible, it wasn't your fold, all the love for you man❤️

@nomisunrider6472 2 жыл бұрын

I like how everyone who has ever worked minimum wage is teaming up to defend Raymond here. And I’m glad for that woman who spoke to Gabe and explained why this scene was so terrifying. All I can see is violation, the way that this man’s life will be lived in fear from now on, frantically trying to please some unseen murderer rather than choosing for himself. He’s going to throw up his breakfast tomorrow thinking about how his life and choices have been taken from him, and it will be years before he regains his sense of self.

@plainegrace5712 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! They can rationalize it all they want, it's a movie about terrorists. And I've worked minimum wage, and barely made it for years.

@jliller 2 жыл бұрын

"He’s going to throw up his breakfast tomorrow thinking about how his life and choices have been taken from him" That assumes he felt like he had control of his life and meaningful choices prior to the mugging. Maybe he already felt powerless, with no choices and no control over his life. That's kind of how I'd expect someone to feel If they dropped out of college and now work at a convenience store.

@nomisunrider6472 2 жыл бұрын

@@jliller Perhaps, but nothing makes you viscerally aware of how much control and security you actually had than having it all ripped from you.

@messinalyle4030 2 жыл бұрын

So-called "anti-capitalist" Tyler is basically telling Raymond to pull himself up by his bootstraps. I could imagine the most asshole Republican ever doing the same thing. Tyler isn't doing anything about the root of the problem. He's not applying tough love. He's just applying more needless pressure to a guy who likely felt like he was about to break to begin with.

@chromesthesia 2 жыл бұрын

@@moon-moth1 he runs a cult

@Firegen1 2 жыл бұрын

Weaponise our unhappiness. Now that is an epic line. That is exactly why this channel rules. This film screams the challenge to it's watchers yet it's so many years on the sheer amount of quiet spaces of the internet that do just that.

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Communist manifesto . Fight club predicted Antifa inpors do a lot more damage then incels

@Firegen1 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 Yeah... no. I saw you write something twice as bad earlier on. Piss off Red Pill.

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

@@Firegen1 you'd pissed off to if you lived under Maduro or Castro b. Or soon Pelosi .

@Sojo214 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 Pelosi, the woman doing insider trading, lmao.

@jfranklin42 2 жыл бұрын

As a teenager I never questioned the grocery store scene. As an adult. Having faced threats of violence before, although thankfully not to the degree shown in the film. It just comes across as naive and frankly shallow. Getting mugged didn't give me any greater appreciation of life or help me achieve my goals. It just made me nervous around people. The damage an experience like that could do, would probably be something that charicter would struggle with for years.

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

It’s different when it’s a firearm being pointed at you. A savage beating just sucks, but not getting shot..? There’s a certain degree of thankfulness that comes with the situation. (The first couple times anyway.)

@cbpd89 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Trauma isn't galvanizing, it's traumatic. Surprised that needs to be said, but it does.

@kingofallworlds 2 жыл бұрын

Every one responds differently. Having been in a similar situation, it made me stronger. There is a line that, once crossed, there is no returning from. But if that threshold isn't reached, it will make you stronger. It's like building muscle, going to threshold but not passing it (which would cause injury) moves that threshold higher each time.

@AWSVids 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I believe the film takes the same position, as everything that "makes sense in a Tyler sort of way" is revealed to be the product of mental illness. But I do wish that, in order to make that point clear, they had showed Raymond later, and he's NOT doing better. He's full of anxiety and fear and is clearly traumatized by that night. I think this would have been an effective factor in Norton Tyler waking up to Pitt Tyler's bullshit.

@Ramroma3 2 жыл бұрын

@@kingofallworlds in all honesty I’ve kind of lived through that two through an abusive relationship where he would slowly push me differently every time when I try to talk to people about it I was constantly told that I was overreacting that I was being silly with every boundary crossed. Eventually I was completely dehumanized, And I have no will to live. I was alone and I thought I was going crazy

@sydposting 2 жыл бұрын

So glad you three are collaborating on this series. So many young people watch this movie and take away the wrong messages, simply because of how charismatic Tyler is. Hopefully these videos will reach folks like that and save them from a lot of mental hurt. 🤗

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

This is basically Antifa

@sydposting 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 What do you mean by that?

@Riku-zv5dk 2 жыл бұрын

@@sydposting Seeing their other posts, really not worth getting an explanation

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

@@sydposting the fight blaming capitalism

@TAP7a 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 do you know what antifa means

@ElleKelsheimer Жыл бұрын

RE: The convenience store worker scene- I read once about a couple that was mauled and very nearly killed by a bear. One of them considered his survival as a new chance at life and was super grateful, while the other was paralyzed by trauma and plunged into a impenetrable depression. It kind of goes to show you that people can have a very broad range of reactions to near-death experiences.

@TheMom2phoenix 2 жыл бұрын

The veterinary guy would end up terrified, deeply in debt feeling as if he always has to be in classes he didn't have the money for, and looking over his shoulder for someone who's going to decide he should die. Thinking that threatening someone into chasing their dreams is going to be a net positive isn't just naive, it dismisses all the things that put the guy in the convenience store to begin with.

@nicolecurrie2896 2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, the dude threatened to come back and harm him if he didn’t do it. That poor guy is going to live with that for a long time. How can you be seizing the day and enjoying hot path if he’s constantly thinking he’s going to be killed. It makes sense to me that it’d be a woman that brought up this possibility in conversation. I can’t speak for her, but I’ve felt threatened by a stranger before (thank God it was nothing as insane as in the movie- getting followed home from the bus by a guy who wouldn’t leave me alone, down a few roads and nearly to my front door) left me feeling awful and jumpy for days, far from grateful that he didn’t hurt me. The next day I sure as hell didn’t feel like going for my dreams. I’m not hating on the film, even if I’m not a huge fan. It’s more how it can hit very differently depending on who’s watching.

@Ysckemia 2 жыл бұрын

early today i had a short discussion with an old woman (around 80 probably) about some trashes at a corner of a street. she told "the homeless will take it", i said there's no homeless here, because here it's the countryside and they mostly live in big cities... she replied "there will be soon, since "they" don't wanna work!" she then kept ranting and babbling... but the "they don't wanna work", i found that so harsh and stupid to say!! that old hag may have worked hard all her life, but she doesn't have any clue about how life goes for us younger generations. she lived her youth during "the 30 glorious" when life was sweeter, cheaper, and jobs easier to find... now she's old and she got no empathy, no understanding for the others.

@korganrocks3995 2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolecurrie2896 Like they said in the video, it makes sense in a Tyler sort of way, but hopefully when you think about it you realise how insane it is. Unfortunately, teenage boys aren't known for being reflective, so a lot of them took the wrong message from this movie. That's the risk a filmmaker takes when they don't spell everything out for the audience.

@elix1133 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I came to the same conclusion

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, who says he’d be eating breakfast the next day? Personally, I’d be packing what wasn’t replaceable, or I’d already be gone. 😅

@ashleyalexandermorris9645 2 жыл бұрын

With the “how does his breakfast taste” scene I’d think that the man would feel trapped, traumatized, and stressed out. We don’t know why he stopped school and him going through a near death experience doesn’t get rid of his barriers-they just make them more urgent to overcome. So he may or may not overcome those things but is he even going to be able to appreciate what he’s doing or will he constantly fear that man in the dark coming out to boogeyman him? I’d say Tyler sentenced that man to depression and pain no matter what.

@bagfootbandit8745 2 жыл бұрын

And this is why the sensible solution is to remove or reduce the barriers, instead of either toxic masculinity or toxic positivity (hustle culture, MLMs etc, the "you can make it if you think positive" crowd)-- the onus is on the individual up to a point, but that's not always the root cause of the problem.

@Ramroma3 2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I felt, I’ve been through a salt and some near death experiences, they don’t make you stronger they don’t make you excited want to live a full life, they make you tired, they break you down

@ladyoni 2 жыл бұрын

THIS. In my experience there was a lot of time coming down from hyper vigilance from questioning everything you do. Is it safe? Was it my fault? And I was lucky, I made it to my car, and got away. Nothing actually happened. I couldn't imagine if the men who tried to grab me knew where I lived.

@Ramroma3 2 жыл бұрын

@@ladyoni I feel like this is especially because we live in a world that victim blame so much, what were you wearing? What were you doing that late at night? Why did you talk to him? Why are you not smiling? Why are you so unfriendly

@robinm1331 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. He essentially let the guy believe he has a murderous stalker. He now lives in a horror movie.

@katisawriter 2 жыл бұрын

I remember my husband and I reread the book and watched the movie. He turned to me and was like "oh wow this hits differently at 35" 🤣 same. Using our unhappiness against us is really relevant in the past 6 years. Oh man. So true.

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Testosterone is just a Fuel not cause violence . Plenty with low testosterone are videos violent and plenty with high testosterone are nice and warm and sweat. In fact it's also testosterone and lack of sertian

@blauespony1013 2 жыл бұрын

"We have no Great War, no Great Depression" hits different in 2022 ... very different. I love your take on masculinity and I love how you show it through movies.

@arokh72 2 жыл бұрын

I was about to say something similar. Though as at the time of release of this video there is no great war, such as the World Wars, many people in the economic first world (I'm in Australia) are suffering through a form of depression with supply shortages and increased prices of basic items, such as housing, food and fuel, but little to no wage growth, to the point where just living is becoming unaffordable, if it wasn't already.

@nomisunrider6472 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can see how people who are otherwise unmoored and disconnected from the world could see that and think it’s profound, but if you’ve actually been through difficult times (and frankly I think we all have due to COVID) it just sounds like a spoiled child whining about his perfect life while talking about how it must have been so great to suffer through economic instability and death because then he wouldn’t be bored. Oh honey it must suck SO much for you to have a stable job and peaceful life, tell me how more about how awful it is that you have all your needs met and more because it means you’re “giving into The Man”.

@OfficialROZWBRAZEL 2 жыл бұрын

the book was 1996 and the movie was 1999... all they had to do was _wait._

@wordforger 2 жыл бұрын

One way this movie is VERY 90s for sure.

@TindraSan 2 жыл бұрын

oh to be a straight upper-middle class white guy in the 90s

@Kittykat5kits 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has had to wake up and have breakfast after an assault, that breakfast tasted like ash. It tasted like I was going to be attacked again and could die at any moment.

@TheDisell 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. That breakfast tastes like dissociation and fear.

@CapeEniEer 2 жыл бұрын

after assault i went to work to my coworkers that i love and everything felt like ash too. My body was smiling and laughing and going along with everyone like i always do but my mind was staring at everything with a dead eye

@pollyrg97 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying what I suspected was true. Kind thoughts to all of you sharing this experience - I'm so sorry for what you've been through.

@eileensnow6153 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDisell my PTSD: you remember the breakfast??

@Lucifronz 2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the person who assaulted you didn't tell you to do something good for you, they just wanted to hurt you, so it's really not the same. Not justifying his actions, there are much better ways of motivating someone, but your situation was no doubt barely even tangentially similar.

@vagabond989 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when I was 19, I was seeing the school counselor in college because I was at the brink of academic probation. When he asked me about what I felt the problem was, I told him I was just discontent with everything. I told him about my frustrations about how the things that society valued just didn’t make sense to me. That nothing felt worth working towards. I was only worth something if I had a career. As a non-confrontational and well-mannered young man, I always felt emasculated, unheard, and undervalued. And then I told him how the times I only really felt alive was in my Taekwondo classes. When I was sparring, exchanging blows, fighting another person. Even if I got knocked around, was hurt, bleeding, it was something that always felt visceral and liberating to me. In those moments, the rest of the world just seemed to fall away and those moments made sense. My counselor responded to my revelations saying, “Do you think it’s kind of like Fight Club?” I looked at him and sincerely asked: “What’s Fight Club?”

@gren8te319 2 жыл бұрын

1:20 "a really well spent 10 bucks" is a nice description for such cheap outfits looking so good

@cjamused7005 2 жыл бұрын

I really love Gabe's insights. Talking about what the reality of being threatened with death is instead of the idealized version. I had a near death experience and the food didn't taste better...I got ptsd :P

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

My handle aside, I’ve seen this comment a couple times now (and I’m sorry it happened to you), but it does make me question, “What so broken about me that I didn’t have the same experience as everyone else?” 😕

@cjamused7005 2 жыл бұрын

@@locomadman Thank you for that! But also remember just because an experience is common doesn't mean it's the only one. If you don't mind sharing what was your experience?

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

@@cjamused7005 Well… please understand, if had a tough life. Not entirely proud of all of it. It’s a shorter list to say talk about the things that I haven’t been through. But to be specific, I remember inappropriately laughing as I recounted a tale involving a loaded firearm, when I look up and saw the look of shock & horror one the faces of the people I was telling the story to, and I just couldn’t understand why they didn’t see how I could be giddy about getting out of yet another messed up situation I had gotten myself into yet again. I think that was my first real moment of clarity in that regard.

@cjamused7005 2 жыл бұрын

@@locomadman oh I feel that. Humor is my survival mechanism. I have a friend who also has had a bad time growing up and in general. Her go to reaction is to talk about things that horrify people pretty casually. Totally get it and I'm sorry you've had a rough time. I think something happens when you have to build up defenses against repeated pain/trauma. I know for my near death experience, I reacted really poorly afterwards (hard time sleeping/panic/etc). But for crappy situations that have just been a reality of my existence since a kid, I just laughed about and go "well this might as well happen."

@evapadilla8342 2 жыл бұрын

@@locomadman You are definitely not alone with this kind of reaction. I was a bank teller and I was robbed one day. Afterwards I just felt giddy and giggly w adrenaline. Everyone including an FBI agent were expecting such a different reaction that I felt like I was broken inside for not being as appalled or scared as they expected. But honestly, everyone reacts to trauma, violence, and just plain unexpected events in totally different ways . I don't even have any history of major trauma other than a date rape many years ago, I doubt reactions like this are necessarily a result of long trauma histories. Just my two cents!

@ambarrios5575 2 жыл бұрын

Artistically speaking I like how at the beginning of the movie the narrator used to be kept in the shadows , but as the time progressed and Tyler began to become more and more menacing ,Tyler was the one embedded mostly in shadows signaling he was a shadow, a proyection of the narrator. Poetic cinema

@guciowitomski3825 Жыл бұрын

"Where is my mind" is actually a song about a guy who is swimming in the sea, sees a fish swimming near-by, freaks out and jumps out of the water. And is basically thinking to himself "what is wrong with me" And by the way, that's a real life experience of the singer that inspired him to write the song.

@kyze8284 11 ай бұрын

So that’s what that song is called and why it feels so real

@CacophonyScamp 2 жыл бұрын

None of my near death experiences have motivated me when they have been caused by people. Tyler is giving the justifications I have heard all my life from abusers and people who take power over others.

@kyze8284 11 ай бұрын

Close calls with death and seeing others being threatened in a similar way pushed me, but you’re right. When it’s done directly to us it seems to have the opposite effect

@LittleHobbit13 2 жыл бұрын

_"The same boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg."_ People are motivated by different things. Just because a death threat might have been seen as motivating to Tyler doesn't mean Raymond would respond to that motivation the same way. There may have been other factors as to why that guy didn't become a vet, factors that might not even be within his control, and now he's gotta worry about being murdered in 6 weeks because he didn't meet someone else's goals that they imparted to you via a traumatic experience. That breakfast would _very_ likely taste like shit.

@grandsome1 2 жыл бұрын

10:35 Holy cow, I think most of us guys saw that scene as inspiring, we 'got' the point from Tyler's perspective. But in reality, we'd probably get PTSD from that kind of tough 'love'. That female friend is really sensible.

@221b-l3t Жыл бұрын

Yeah I got mugged. Not at gunpoint but the guy put me in a chokehold and I was a teen back then. Did not make me appreciate life more. Just terrified me and I was even more scared to go out and even less trusting. Just made me cynical and afraid. If this happened I would be absolutely too terrified to even leave the house until the cops got Tyler. If a guy at gunpoint says he knows where I live and will check on me, I would move to another country and be afraid for the rest of my life that he'd eventually track me down. He's clearly a phsychopath that doesn't value life. He decides for others if it's fine to hold them a gunpoint to teach them a lesson. That's 101 violent narcissist behaviour.

@FiresCollide 2 жыл бұрын

Another take on Tyler Durden's wardrobe: It's far more feminine than the Narrator's. He wears fur, mesh, women's clothes, robe, etc. So not only is Tyler Durden allowing the Narrator to get closer to his "masculinity," but symbolically, his visuals are also saying that to be fully whole, the Narrator also needs to embrace femininity - or at least, not to dismiss and devalue it.

@ApequH 2 жыл бұрын

That's a greath take! In the last scène Marla and Narrator silhouettes look almost the same from behind, I'm sure that's on purpose

@chrisblanc663 2 жыл бұрын

Um… what does Tyler call sex again? I interpret his style as taking charge of his life, damned be what others think. So he takes what is traditionally female clothes for his own. He’s all aggression, power and persuasion on his terms. Maybe back it toxic masculinity, I think of it as too much masculinity, after feeling neutered all the time.

@brazwen 2 жыл бұрын

Hard to tell because lots of Kings and Emperors wore those kind of clothing.

@roxane1237 2 жыл бұрын

there is a whole website called Tyler durden which takes on the theory that Fight Club is a metaphor for transitioning from man to woman. check it out, even Chuck Palahniuk shared it on his social media.

@chrisblanc663 2 жыл бұрын

@@roxane1237 that sounds interesting, I’ll look it up when I have a chance. My upfront view is that it’s like seeing the Virgin in your oatmeal. After all the movies theme is about a man striving to reclaim his manhood that society has taken away.

@Ona1979 2 жыл бұрын

I used to have Dissociative Identity Disorder. When it first became so full blown that I couldn't ignore that I had it, it felt like my mind was a science experiment that had gone horribly wrong. Something would trigger me and another alter would take over my body I would have no control over my body language, how I talked or my actions. I was horrified. I had a three year old alter who was triggered by frustration and I couldn't stop her from throwing a full blown temper tantrum and I got bruises on my legs. I thought that me having that condition meant I was a freak, I couldn't hide it and I had become completely unlovable intolerable. When my brother found out that I had it, he told me that I was freaking him out and to go away. That was the last time I saw him. My father told me that my brother was right to tell me to go away, because I was too bazaar. My mother told me that she was afraid to me. When I entered the room or tried to talk to her, she would leave. In the end, she wouldn't hug me back. In understood that I had become too different and my family didn't want me anymore, but the father who rejected me, was a violent, sadistic narcissist pedophile who liked to look into my eyes while he was hurting me and the mother who was afraid of me, is a sociopathic person with Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. My husband was a danger to me and I couldn't tolerate the abuse of my family or my husband anymore. I went to a domestic violence shelter and left town with out telling anyone. I cut off contact with everyone who I'd ever know. I hadn't been permitted to talk about the abuse that my father put me through. Especially to mandated reporters. My father always told me that all of my siblings would be taken from my parents and I would destroy my family. He also told me that my story was so bazaar that no one would believe me. I've tried to kill myself a lot of times, because I thought that it was the only way out. It felt like it was the only way to stop the pain. After leaving town, I decided that my father's secrets weren't worth dying for and I told my therapist everything. I talked about what I'd been through, freely and without any remorse for what it would do to my father. The feedback that I got, helped me realize that most people are not like my family and that healthy people cherish and protect their children. I was told that I was the normal one in my family. Healthy fathers don't rape and beat their children. The man who constantly accused me of being intolerably bazaar, wouldn't be tolerated by society for what he did to me. What my father did, was a freak of nature. Not me. I did find harmony with my alters. They gave me what I'd never had. A family, unconditional love and support. They were there for me at all times and I knew that they would never, ever abandon me or harm me. I loved each and every one of them unconditionally. They were my strength. I knew that trauma therapy could result in integration and that integration might be the price of healing. I know that alters can't die. They can become dormant or integrate, but their essence and their strength are never lost. It took 43 years to escape my father and break his conditioning. I fully integrated about two years after I made myself safe.

@gregariagirl 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm so glad I scrolled down and found your story. Thank you for sharing. I'm so glad you escaped the abuse. And I'm glad your alters were there to protect you and that their strength is still in you.

@evygaspar 2 жыл бұрын

That is not how DID works. You can't be "aware" of your dissociation while it is happening (like some weird locked-in syndrome), and it is all just you at a point in time; so you wouldn't be able to recall your "dissociated personality" episodes as separate events after the fact. While facets of this story may be true, that is not part of it.

@sharonoddlyenough 2 жыл бұрын

@@evygaspar Different people experience DID differently.

@delusion5867 2 жыл бұрын

@@evygaspar dont gatekeep mental disorders

@Raven-yl7ql 2 жыл бұрын

@@evygaspar I'm sorry, but that's wrong. As someone who has studied DID and other mental health conditions like it (I am not a licensed professional, I have only done a few psychology classes), you literally can't say that there's only one specific way someone can experience something like that. What OP was describing is very likely a form of "co-consciousness", where you are aware of your alter but have limited control over what your alter does. In other cases, when an alter is fully dominant, you may experience amnesia, which is what you're describing. However, telling this person who has obviously struggled with a lot and has hopefully gotten the chance to heal from it that she is wrong because she doesn't fit one specific phenomenon of a very complex mental health disorder is honestly really gross and you should be ashamed.

@koolkel00 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a lady and I found fight club fascinating. Because I've always had this curiosity about what it feels to be a man, what that means, what pressures men go through that I haven't because I am a lady. And I also have struggled with anger and catharsis and sometimes wished I had a place to go to beat the snot outta something and blow up the capitalist machine! Sometimes I still have a hard time relating to my brother, because he's a kind hearted compassionate person, that constantly struggles with the testosterone fueled pressure cooker that is being a man. I understand there are some things about being a man I just will never fully get, because it's an experience I'll never know. But there are also some attributes about being a man that I wish I had in myself, strength, power, assertiveness. But my brother made an interesting point about how masculinity isn't toxic, until you make masculinity and being percieved as masculine your entire identity, and that really spoke to me. And I think that's a major part of what fight club is about. About finding proper outlets for rage and discontent and that powerful assertive energy, and not being afraid of those parts of yourself because they are part of you. But don't let them control you and let them turn you into a harmful arrogant monster that imposes their will onto others. It's a beautiful statement on what it means to be a man and I think we could use more conversations about healthy masculinity in our society.

@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 10 ай бұрын

For me as a man, the though part isn't the testosterone. I don't really have the ability to express anger and hardly ever become actually angry/annoyed. All that strength/power/assertiveness/anger is something I lack. I still have the urge to take down the system and execute the man by cannonfire like we all have (I might be a bit to illustrative there, but still.), but it's not really an issue for me. It's the inability to express/understand/even recognise emotions. It's that you feel like you aren't allowed to feel, aren't allowed to cry, aren't allowed to feel pretty, or cute, or loved. You aren't allowed to do anything besides be angry. Sure, testosterone is part of it, but the most significant part is how society treats you. Because whenever a women is crying, or hugging her friends or being excited, it's fine. But whenever a man does those things they are litterally seen as lesser. People say things like: "Man up!" "What are you? A woman?" "Ew, they're hugging! That's gay!" "That's weak." Not only does it make it seem like women and gay people are "lesser", which is obviously bad. It also makes men who are emotionally expressive feel weaker, lesser, like a failure, like they aren't ("proper") men. Which makes men cut off and surpress those parts of themselves. And this happens at an early age already. When I was like 2/3 years old I went to a peuterspeelzaal (Toddlerplayroom in Dutch) for the first time. Since I only have sisters, I went in a lovely pink princess dress. It took one day for me never to wear that again. Before I even really started to remember things I already got pressure to conform and that "Men can't wear dresses.". My mother, who is very accepting and supporting of most stuff spoke about it like it was completely normal that I stopped wearing dresses. What is so normal about restricting a persons outfit based on gender? Women used to not able to wear pant because of that. Now women can, and I think that's great! (Though I don't get why there are no pockets on those pants. Seems kinda sexist to me.) I'm just wondering why men can't wear skirts or dresses? We already know it looks good, and there has been precendant before (Kilts are basically just Celtic skirts.). I see no reason why. But it's not just not being able to wear dresses as a man, there is much more. But because I don't want this reply to be much longer than your comment, I'll just refer you to someone who has made entire video essays on this and skip to the ending. If I were you I would go to a channel named: "TheBurgerkrieg". He's made good video's on masculinity, other societal issues, and more importantly: Shadowrun, Vampire: The masquerade, DnD and other TTRPG's. So you know he's trustworthy. I'm not going to give links, because youtube doesn't like replies that do that for some reason (I'll try in a seperate reply). But here are the names of two episodes I think may interest you: How To Be A Real Man (Full Guide) The Thing Society Steals From Men. They sound like something Andrew Tate would make, but I swear on the name of Sir Terry Pratchett it's nothing like that! Trust me on this! Anyways, I think the solution is basically what you said, just going much deeper inwardly and actually seeking to understand ALL emotions. Really build some emotional knowledge. And also make society much more accepting of "wEaKnEsS". Make a world where EVERY person be able to express themselves fully. And yeah, more conversations about healthy masculinity, like this one, in our society! The answer is basically just Ted Lasso. Go watch the series Ted Lasso as well. I promise it will not dissapoint. Their Amsterdam episode is especially good, perhaps the best depiction of Amsterdam/the Netherlands I've ever seen! Hope this helped understand men. I myself am also trying to understand women better, so if you have anything which helps with that I'd love to hear it! If you got this far without stopping, being distracted, getting bored or falling asleep I congratulate you (Though I won't believe you.). And I whish you a very happy rest of your day, week, month, year and rest of your mortal existance!

@koolkel00 10 ай бұрын

@@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV Wow that was a really insightful and helpful statement, thank you! I gotta say, I completely agree with pretty much all your points, (especially those Dnd and sir terry pratchet related,) and I've asked those questions about societally acceptable gender expression myself for years now, and eventually came to the conclusion that it takes a lot of courage and a lot of emotional strength to go out and live life without letting other peoples expectations of your gender define you and how you present yourself to the world. Especially for men who have an interest in feminine fashion in particularly conservative areas, where it can be actually dangerous. I am somebody who enjoys wearing feminine clothes sometimes, and masculine clothes sometimes, and I will say that when I was younger as a girl who liked masculine clothes; instead of outright ridicule or being made fun of to my face, I think it just made peers avoid me or giggle behind my back. Or just not know what to do or say to me. I do believe the fact that I was a girl made the difference in how I was treated differently. I also think my family had a huge impact in my self esteem and my "rebel against the crowd and authority within reason" attitude came from. My Dad encouraged me to me an individual, and to not take criticism from people who don't know or understand who I am and don't show me the same respect I try to show everyone. While gender is indeed a construct made up and defined by us and by society, and how we choose to express it shouldn't matter because what makes us unique is what makes strong, it takes real effort and resolve to try to stand our ground against a judgemental social group, especially when we're children. And while that resistance to conform to social norms is something I'm proud of, I won't pretend it didn't cause a lot of isolation throughout my upbringing and into adulthood. Though as I have grown I've become more confident in the feminine parts of my identity, (especially because my mom worked nonstop and never really taught me anything about it) I've gone on a journey to figure out what expressing femininity means to me, what parts make me feel empowered and what parts don't. Being an adult I have more control over what groups of people I can choose to be around, than I did back then, and that has helped a lot. I know being a woman in today's world makes me incredibly angry, especially when it comes to the overturning of Roe V Wade, and suddenly women in America are losing their rights to bodily autonomy, and many of them have died because of that conservative legislation whose goal is taking back mens control over women's bodies no matter how many die which is a terrifying reality. (Oh what a time it is to be an American 🥲) I also think it leads to a lot of condescension/coddling towards me in working environments, because I'm a young woman working a security job, and I experience a lot of times where older men, and even older women coworkers step in for me where it isn't necessary, and I didn't ask for it, probably because they just assume I can't do it, or that people don't respect me, because I'm not as big or intimidating. When in actuality, I feel I'm very good at my job BECAUSE I'm not as tough in appearance and approach as other security guard, and coming at things from a patient but firm approach. The core essence of my job is being responsible and trustworthy, and even more than that, it's being able to get people to comply with the rules of the place I'm guarding, or asking them to leave. But it turns out! People are far more willing to leave peacefully and quietly when you ask them with respect and understanding, instead of intimidation and control. It has worked for me literally everywhere I've guarded, from big gruff truckers, to condo concierge. 99% of the time it works easily. But I still get condescended to by older staff regardless. I also think it sucks because then they ask my male coworkers to step in and take over for me when it isn't necessary, and that makes me feel guilty because it's giving them even more burden and responsibility than is their fair share, and makes me feel like I'm not trusted with responsibility I know I can handle. Which can make me feel small and like a burden on the other staff, when I wouldn't have signed up for the job if I didn't think I could handle the whole scope of responsibilities. Yes back up is necessary sometimes but I can't tell when it isn't needed, and I know I can and will call for it when a situation deems it necessary. (That, and if I joined this job back in the 80s, I'd be doing rounds in a SKIRT which is simply ridiculous) Back to the point though, I think living outside the sphere of masculine expectations I think is pretty liberating in and of itself. I know that a lot of aggression comes from insecurity over your worth and validity as a person being connected to how manly you can be for a lot of men out there. And that can cause a huge detriment to ones abilities to form intimate social bonds and that can be very isolating. But being an introverted lady that still sometimes struggles with avoidance and confrontation, possibly because I didn't have any female role models in my life that modeled that confidence for me, it's something I had to discover on the Internet and in myself. I haven't seen Ted lasso, but I've seen both cinema therapy episodes on it, and they've got me sold!! I love how he doesn't let pride hold him back, as well as his willingness to consider and accept outside influence and ideas, and I really wanna watch it sometime!! I appreciate your taking the time to give a well thought out reply, I know it probably took a minute! I guess the best recommendation for media about what it means to be a woman I could give, is to watch the Barbie movie, it says SO MUCH about the female experience and what it means to be a woman in the world we live in. I hope that was helpful, feel free to ask questions!

@thatonekidism 2 жыл бұрын

The convenience clerk scene also interestingly ignores the expense of schooling on top of the expense of rent, food, etc. He very likely can't pursue that schooling because it just costs too much, no matter how much he MIGHT appreciate this new lease on life

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

There are two sides to it for sure. I agree with what you say, but he has betrayed his own dream.

@cowboynyc Жыл бұрын

The expense of a community college is negligible.

@AlienAteIt.MyNoraTees Жыл бұрын

Or has decided that was no longer what he wanted but still has the I.D. in his wallet.

@bookmasterharry4432 2 жыл бұрын

The scene with the gun reminds me of a twisted version of something ATLA. In one episode, someone tries to mug the best character in the show, Iroh. Iroh looks at him, says 'what are you doing?' And the guy is like, 'What does it look like, I'm robbing you.' And Iroh replies, 'Not with that stance.' He then steps forwards, grabs the guys knife hand and shoves him, taking the knife at the same time. He helps the guy up, gives him back the knife, then shows him how to properly stand and hold it. It cuts to them drinking tea, with Iroh giving him sincere advice and encouraging him. When the guy asks why, Iroh says, 'Sometimes all you need is a little encouragement from a friend'. Tyler was trying to do that same thing, but in a terrible way. The guy from ATLA would wake up the next day, happy, encouraged, believing he can follow his dreams. The other guy will go home, go to bed, wake up(if he even got any sleep), and be too terrified to even eat. To even get out of bed. That's my take on that scene.

@SarahRichardsGraba 2 жыл бұрын

I love ATLA and have never made that connection lol 😆 but you're totally right. I think the main difference is that the mugger in ATLA still had agency. Iroh wasn't threatening him into being a better person. He could go right back to mugging without any further consequences from Iroh. Tyler takes away Raymond's ability to choose that for himself. I'm a teacher and a parent, and I see other teachers and parents try to do it the Tyler way...all. the. time. Not literally putting an (empty) gun to the kid's head... But on an emotional level, pretty close. It's not effective. Might get you results in the short term, out of fear or coercion, but it doesn't work for real, lasting change.

@VegaNorth 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a whole series devoted to analyzing scenes in ATLA

@bookmasterharry4432 2 жыл бұрын

@@VegaNorth same.

@ZarrysLux 2 жыл бұрын

as an 18 year old I feel very lucky to have found this channel, although i wish i had found it sooner because I probably would've been a way better person and not make a lot of bad decisions. But again I am just so grateful because you guys have taught me a lot through your videos and inspires me to become better. i can't thank you guys enough

@residentialbookworm1625 2 жыл бұрын

You learn that life is a constant evolution. You may wish you had found it sooner to help you be better, but later you will also see that backslides happen and you'll have to find the best parts of you again and again. It's a process, and it never ends, and there's mistakes, but it's always worth it. It doesn't feel like it, but 18 is so young to start working on these things, these large and difficult topics within ourselves. Many people never start. I'm both proud and grateful of and for you 😊❤️

@elfteiroh 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll just tell you this: it’s not everyone that do listen and learn. If you started becoming a better person and making better choices after finding this channel, it’s because you actually listened, and made *efforts* to better yourself. Be proud of yourself, and continue like this. You’ll certainly become a great person, and who knows, maybe you’ll end up influencing others around you to follow. :3

@MotherOfOwlbears 2 жыл бұрын

The person you were lead to the person you are. That means they couldn't have been too bad. Wanting and working to be a better person is more grown up than so many people with decades on you.

@spooniesarah 2 жыл бұрын

Better late than never hon :)

@pahvi3 2 жыл бұрын

Proud of you! I started dealing with shit way later

@spacebutterfly2873 2 жыл бұрын

What I get from the speech about "having no Great War" is that they feel as angry and sad as if they WERE fighting a war, but because they're not they can't figure out the cause of those feelings, nor do they have a concrete goal to fight towards to alleviate them.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

We didn't get the great war, but we got the Reset (tm) instead. And now the economy is collapsing and hysteria has set in.

@whatsup968 2 жыл бұрын

The scene with the store clerk was definitely likely to be interpreted differently by men and women, especially in a privileged sphere. My guess is that anyone who has been made unexpectedly afraid like that is more likely to interpret that scene differently from how the character of Tyler intended. Personally, the feel of danger and loss of control I have felt when men scare me does not make me feel anything other than anxious and unsafe even after the situation has passed. So a lot of teenage boys watching this probably did take it at face value. That scene was part of the message of the film I imagine

@skullsaintdead 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, when I see how celebrated that clerk/gun scene is, it just makes me frightened of how ignorant some people are (usually men who've never felt threatened for their lives). They think it would be empowering, despite never having experienced it themselves, often telling you to 'just get over it' when you don't miraculously stop having anxiety/depression. I've endured stalking, harassment, attempted rape and death threats but none of them made me 'appreciate life', they all made it harder for me to trust men and worsened any anxiety/depression.

@chrisblanc663 2 жыл бұрын

The message of the movie isn’t an inspiring one though… that scene does show the message, but it isn’t inspiring. It’s poop your pants scary and dangerous. Per the ending of the film. I can’t imagine anyone watching that movie and starting a fight club chapter. (Here’s looking at you BYU students😉). I first saw the movie when I was 14 and I got the fact that Tyler’s message was manipulative and dangerous.

@whatsup968 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisblanc663 Yeah that's exactly what I mean There is the message from the creators of the story/film, and the message from Tyler, and they are contradictory This scene reveals both of those messages very well, though one is plainly stated in dialogue and the other message is still more hidden and can require critical thinking I'm really really glad you engaged that critical thinking! (and also didn't start a fight club lol)

@AstraIVagabond 2 жыл бұрын

The toxic masculine naïveté to take Tyler’s message at face value is really concerning. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how abuse works. Even in the absolute best-case scenario, where (the clerk) Raymond’s next morning meal will taste delicious because he’ll feel lucky to be alive, that _relief_ would just be an effect of regaining _most_ of his sense of safety. The benefit could never outweigh what was robbed from him in the first place, in the same way a falling ball cannot possibly bounce higher than the point it was dropped from. All Tyler did - all any abuser does “for” their victim - is rob the clerk of a good chunk of Raymond’s (emotional) potential energy, then take the credit that gravity (hopefully) couldn’t keep him all the way down. Abuse is evil. We have that concept with good reason. Abuse is traumatizing. Trauma doesn’t break everyone, every time. But even when it’s transformative - something no-one has the right to count on enough to force it on another person - there could, there should, have been a better way to teach the same lesson. Any value gained from trauma comes from strength the sufferer already had, and if it were so nurtured may have been used to grow without breaking. Abuse is useless. Abusers aren’t heroes, or ahead of their time, or just misunderstood. They aren’t telling like it is. They don’t do their victims a service, and they don’t deserve their victims’ gratitude. If they receive it, it’s probably a product of denial, as the victim still doesn’t fully realize what was lost. They aren’t noble and they aren’t wise. They’re just dangerous. People grow through _challenges._ Challenges we can handle, that we can reasonably be expected to take on without being broken by them. That’s not what trauma is. Finding that line can be genuinely complicated, but it can usually be done with care. An abuser probably isn’t willing to put in that care. What they really want is the way that’s easy, that makes _them_ feel strong, but that care takes more than all the brute force they can show off. It takes acknowledging the hard limits anyone inherently has, not overwhelming them, and pushing the limits they have right now. That’s what a good teacher is capable of. That’s how you really make someone into the best possible versions of themselves.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

I always hated what they did to him, but Raymond had also betrayed himself before that. Many of us lose our dreams at some point. Not that what they did was the cure.

@Sirkento Жыл бұрын

Dude I got to say your take on the ending scene was incredible. As someone who is working on overcoming narcissistic personality disorder, the idea of visualizing myself looking out the window seeing the buildings collapse to the ground and having to realize I did it but then looking toward the future where I take accountability for my actions and I fix the future cuz I can't change the past. That is affecting me in a very real way and I'm very grateful to you.😢

@MotherOfOwlbears 2 жыл бұрын

The scene with the convenience store clerk struck me as accurate. Not what Tyler said, but that a guy that experienced boredom and an unanchored sense of self as though it was the worst thing, thought it was true. That poor clerk probably couldn't freaking afford college. And he isn't likely to eat anything for breakfast.. He will probably be scared to death believing he was watched and stalked, and he probably lost his freaking job. Just seems like an entitled take that Tyler has. Edit: I made my language more family friendly. 😬

@jenXer 2 жыл бұрын

On top of that, we have no idea of what this man’s mental state is before this happens. Is he already depressed about his life? Is he already dealing with low self esteem? Is this incident going to breed paranoia? Depression? PTSD? Suicidal Ideation? He experienced trauma and his response to that trauma could go in many directions. Yes, he could find it motivating to make a change for the better, but I could also be the impetus for a change for the worse.

@deehappy43 2 жыл бұрын

Trauma lives with you for years after an assault. Which that was.

@imperviousdonut 2 жыл бұрын

Going deeper on what everyone said here is that Tyler assumed he was just some boring guy waiting life. Someone mentioned his previous struggles and there are so many people just here in the US alone who are living paycheck to paycheck just trying to survive. No one wants to live a life of misery but it's nearly impossible to raise yourself alone out of a life like that. Look at all the different types of people who literally just want to be able to walk down a street and be able to survive to their destination.

@constancecampbell4610 2 жыл бұрын

@@deehappy43 Yes. Period.

@pawprawks 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly - he said 'too much school' and my impression then was that Tyler interpreted it as - he didn't have the motivation to do it. But there are a million reasons for 'too much school'. I remember being shocked that anyone thought this man would even be able to *remember* the next day following this trauma, let alone have it be the 'best of his life'.

@FullMoonHowl 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciated Gabe's input, especially in sharing what he did about his impression versus his female friend's of whether that man's breakfast the following morning would be good or not. I think maybe Tyler had the good breakfast, partly because he's enormously self-assured and partly he's convinced he bettered that life. That man, though? He legit thought he was about to die. Feeling out of control in a traumatic situation is what creates PTSD. Not to mention, he already probably feels awful about himself, working nights in that place instead of having pursued his dream for whatever reason. This film really is a great character study!

@elix1133 2 жыл бұрын

I've never seen this movie, but watching that vet scene I was thinking to myself "this poor man is going to be fucking traumatized, now being a vet and that night are forever linked in his mind. Even if he does follow his dreams or whatever like tyler wanted him to, it is in exchange for lifelong trauma and that career will never feel the same to him. He may not get that same joy or fulfillment now that he would've before tyler came into his life and that's fucking awful. He got the thing he always wanted but in a warped way that he never asked for." Maybe my mind will change as the video goes on but I thought that was interesting to note. Edit: I've basically come to the conclusion after finishing this that the question I have for myself in reference to this scene is "is it better to 'give up' on your dreams on your own terms or be forced to go through with them without any input on the matter being able to come from you, and a secondary question: is it still your dream if you can't choose to do it or perhaps better phrasing, choose to leave it?"

@TheDisell 2 жыл бұрын

I think another interesting thing to consider is that dreams can change and shift and if someone can find happiness and stability on a path that leads away from their dream and isn’t the “picture of success” is that so bad?

@darkhorsedouglas4789 2 жыл бұрын

As someone with depression and anxiety from childhood PTSD you avoid things that make you even think of the trauma. Yeah you can work through it with a therapist but you'll always have those moments when the thing triggers memories of the trauma. The idea that he might actually become a vet after this and live a successful fulfilling life in that career is absurd. The idea he'd even remember to eat breakfast the next morning and not go through the next day in a panicked haze is naive at best.

@elix1133 2 жыл бұрын

@@darkhorsedouglas4789 exactly. If he did become a vet within the scope of the movie it would only be because he genuinely was afraid of what tyler would do and it definitely would not be easy or enjoyable. He'd be terrified constantly of tyler showing up again.

@bebel9 2 жыл бұрын

Those were my exact thoughts! I don’t think he’d be able to separate being a vet from the trauma of this night, and that will forever taint that dream any accomplishments related to it. Someone in another commented phrased it perfectly when they said Tyler was taking away the other guy’s choice, and having your choice taken from you, having your agency so violently removed, is deeply traumatic. It could be that that guy would someday be able to go back to school someday and become a vet on his own terms. It could be that he would find a new dream or happiness somewhere else. Regardless, that was his choice to make, and now that choice is gone because it will be tied to a moment of absolute fear and powerlessness.

@AstraIVagabond 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate every comment here that points out how traumatic the aftermath of Raymond’s assault would have to be, and how there’s no guarantee Tyler actually empowered him to do anything within his material conditions. You make another excellent point on top of that. Even assuming Raymond achieves a dream that’s survived this long, to become a veterinarian, as a result of Tyler’s threats, would it make a positive difference in his life at all? From my experience, losing various passions over the years despite my best efforts as a result of internalized pressures to perform, from sources far less traumatic than being threatened with literal murder, I’d have to guess no. Agency is vital to self-actualization. Coercion can kill even the deepest of loves.

@tiffanypersaud3518 2 жыл бұрын

I recently talked with a friend of mine who has dissociative personality disorder (DID). They do lose a lot of time when they are switching, but other times, they are aware when they are slipping into their different alters. That you said when they reach a place where all their alters are okay, and they’re okay, makes a lot of sense. That Tyler and the narrator in “Fight Club” were the same person makes a lot of sense. A lot of the time with DID, the alters are born from extreme repression, in order to continue to protect the person, or to deal with things they were too vulnerable to address in the first place. They’re all them, but different versions of them, so to speak. When I met Tyler, he seemed like a very passionate person who wanted to be a leader and wanted to inspire. And when he would inspire people in these twisted ways, I would want to know what made him get so twisted up in the first place (I also ask myself that question, for myself and others when we ‘justify’ tough love when being gentler may be required in the situation). Tyler, unfortunately did become a cult leader, and the only way for the narrator to get his attention or to listen to him was to threaten double-suicide. Not everyone with dissociative disorders are dangerous (they can be though). And I’m happy at least that the narrator in the end (the few minutes at the end anyways) felt his own power not by following Tyler, but by leading himself.

@jillianguilford5191 2 жыл бұрын

As a person with DID, I've had friends with it - Alters are typically dangerous to the body we live in, not to outside people.

@Clarissakayleigh 2 жыл бұрын

I studied Fight Club in My English degree talking about the toxic masculinity, and what it means to be MASCULINE, and you guys mirrored a lot of the stuff i said in my thesis

@tiffanypersaud3518 2 жыл бұрын

BEAUTIFUL! I am SO glad there is a thesis study.

@Clarissakayleigh 2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanypersaud3518 Theres surprisingly quite al ot coming out of the woodwork now. espeically with the inclusion and acceptance of Men's mental health and mental health in general. It was really interesting to watch this and see the outcomes that Jonathan a licensed therapist said and how my thoughts and connections mirrored his, seeing as i only studied Education and English. I was like wow ok maybe there is something her. It was a nice smart moment for me. I do not ahve many :P

@tiffanypersaud3518 2 жыл бұрын

@@Clarissakayleigh HAVE as many smart moments as you will! Thank you for choosing it again!

@Clarissakayleigh 2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanypersaud3518 Thank you. I will try :p

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

TM is a political phrase, not a scientific fact. It's a useful phrase for power structures to keep down those who would overthrow them like in past periods. If it was subversive you wouldn't hear it all the time from the establishment.

@earthaforester3141 2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe Tyler had the best interests of the convenience store clerk in mind. I think it was a power game to valid his own perspective on life. The clerk could very well have PTSD now, which could be a serious roadblock to his happiness, security, and success for the rest of his life. Tyler neglected to realize a couple of things: one is that he assumed the clerk was unhappy with his life to begin with, or that he may have been working toward different goals. The other is that the clerk said he didn't finish school because of financial reasons; forcing him to go into debt to go back to school completely overlooks a larger societal issue - that most people can't access higher education because it has become financially unsustainable. Tyler thinks he's better than others because - what? - he has the magic glasses to see through society's bs and the rest of us can't? He's going to liberate everyone?? The truth is, most of us already know the system is bs, but we feel powerless to challenge it. Many of us feel so overwhelmed and downtrodden, and that we can't risk going after our dreams because the consequences of failing are too great or that the cards are stacked against us (because capitalism is literally a rigged game, especially for marginalized groups). Tyler didn't do that guy any favors. He may have just made the guy's life even harder by making him feel even more powerless and afraid. He is not a man of the people. He is just another abuser. That's why I hate that scene. Anyone who thinks it was supposed to be eye-opening and liberating for the clerk has probably never been a victim. If we could all wake up in the morning and transcend all of our traumas and obstacles, most of us wouldn't be unhappy to begin with.

@jliller 2 жыл бұрын

"one is that he assumed the clerk was unhappy with his life to begin with" He's a convenience store clerk. If you're happy with that life your aspirations are very low, or living in a Kevin Smith movie.

@bromo8874 2 жыл бұрын

@@jliller and honestly? If someone is genuinely happy like that then good for them. It's not anyone else's place to insert themselves into that person's life and force them to "chase their dreams". The need to try to force your own idea of happiness on to someone else at literal gunpoint is PEAK narcissism.

@crescendo5594 2 жыл бұрын

I think your point misses the purpose of that scene. That scene lays the foundation for the narrator to see a loose thread in his internal vision of the traits he thinks he’s lacking. It’s not supposed to be profound. It’s supposed to be jarring and logically inconsistent. It doesn’t make a lick of sense. Even if he was right about the clerk having an appreciation for life. His only motivation is fear of retaliation. The narrator gets a glimpse into the idea that a powerful, confident personality isn’t necessarily all it’s cracked up to be. We can’t forget that Tyler’s character exists to be flawed. The ridiculous logic serves the story.

@DimaRakesah Жыл бұрын

It reminds me a lot of men in the manosphere. They have decided what a man "should" be, what he "should" do and what "should" make him fulfilled. Money, power, sex, ego, violence, misogyny. All they really do is prey on other men by creating such a strict hierarchy that leaves the majority of men behind and holds up a select few at the expense of everyone below them.

@mithrae4525 Жыл бұрын

@@jliller Your comment says quite a bit about you, but more importantly kind of misses the point of the movie. Tyler is pretty much contradicting his whole philosophy in order to get his power trip in that scene. Elsewhere, pretty much everything he does is opposed to the carrots and sticks of modern society: On the carrot end, forget about stupid "aspirations" to be a millionaire or movie god or rock star; go live in a slum, get your face punched in; we're all part of the same compost heap. For 99.9+% of humans throughout history, including the majority of people on this planet today - and for folk living in the hunter-gatherer world Tyler dreams of - the relative ease and comfort enjoyed by even lowly convenience store clerks in America would be practically heaven. Saying that he should or must "aspire" to something higher is exactly the kind of capitalist/societal indoctrination Tyler elsewhere opposes (and for that matter various folk like Buddha, Diogenes, Jesus and Gandhi also). On the stick end of course, there's the various acts of vandalism and eventual demolition of project mayhem, trying to bring down the whole system; that system is the problem, in Tyler's view, if menial workers feel held back or ground down by it... not their status or perceived lack thereof in itself. But obviously by bullying and threatening the clerk Tyler himself has become the stick trying to force others to do his bidding (a progression from the violent but wholly voluntary fight club, to the opt-in but then militantly controlled project mayhem, to complete domination of the totally unwilling - dozens of victims as we see later).

@sugarbaby1974 2 жыл бұрын

Shout out to Trevor, his incredible editing, and his clever subliminal cuts. Well played, sir, well played. ;)

@denizsarkaya5410 2 жыл бұрын

was looking for this comment! can't believe almost nobody said anything about it!

@marylewin1392 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, what the Heck! I can't pause fast enough but it's crazy!

@TwiztidMenace 2 жыл бұрын

This movie was an instant favorite of mine as soon as it came out, I was about 12 years old. At that age every line was like gospel, but after watching it several times over the years at different stages of development and looking at it in different ways it's more like a guide on 'how not to make the world a better place'. A younger me would be like "Yeah! Sometimes you HAVE to take it to extremes like this to make a difference". Thankfully I've always had some interest in psychology and listened to breakdowns of movies like this one and learned there's many different levels of understanding and much healthier ways of dealing with aggression than starting fight cults and blowing up the establishment. There's an darker, but similar, saying to "It takes a village to raise a child" that goes "A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." If you look at society as the village I think It describes Tyler Durden pretty well.

@SvaeJat 2 жыл бұрын

That 1 frame of Jon's "old version of himself" cracked me uuuuup!!! 😂😂😂

@jaciem 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has dealt with several traumatic incidents and situations, I know everyone reacts to trauma differently, but if it were me? I wouldn't have even tasted the breakfast; it would've been eaten by rote in a severe state of dissociation. I certainly wouldn't have felt inspired and I probably would've lost whatever job I currently had because I couldn't function properly. Also, I question whether Tyler's command would truly be enough to overcome any systemic issues (tuition costs, transportation difficulties, shitty home situation, personal responsibilities, etc) that may have prevented Raymond from continuing his studies.

@slimmccoy8863 2 жыл бұрын

It's a side-quest on this story, but how do things turn out for Raymond? -Does the assault motivate him to reach his goal of being a vet, and have a successful practice? -Does he reach his goal, but no longer want it, and get a job that's not his dream? -Does he fail/abandon the goal because of (insert factors), and spend the rest of his life in fear of Tyler's return? I'm thinking his story probably doesn't have a happy ending.

@thevalkyries8680 2 жыл бұрын

Providing space for men to be vulnerable and HUMAN is fundamental to the shifts that need to take place in this world. It's hard to imagine WWIII being started by men who are secure in themselves and participating in community. Thank you again for another wonderful video. Yall are really out here doing the work.

@the_glitter_is 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. We also need to allow women to be angry and exhibit rage like we do men.

@brennanlatham9188 2 жыл бұрын

If you can't imagine it, then you either aren't paying attention to history or have a very poor imagination. It's plenty possible for someone to be entirely secure in their identity and also simply be evil and even more so for an egomaniacal world leader to be secure in their self image

@Hou413 2 жыл бұрын

@@the_glitter_is do we? I’d agree if you mean that we should allow women to be assertive and stand up for themselves/their beliefs/their needs without being ridiculed or dismissed - that is, being taken as seriously as men often are in the same contexts. But if the argument is that aggression and violence should be just as acceptable for women then that just seems like an extension of toxic masculinity (though now that I think about it, I suspect you mean the former since your comment seems to focus on the emotions and mine on the behaviour - and everyone should be able to experience the full spectrum of emotions)

@anni1348 2 жыл бұрын

@@Hou413 No, the point is that women are allowed to express and feel anger, since it's a human emotion you can have regardless of sex. Because women are extremely often thought to be happy and kind all the time and never openly show their Anger. And expressing your Anger doesn't mean violence towards other people, you're misunderstanding something here. You have a wrong interpretation of Anger.

@nixi7688 2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, it's the way Hitler managed to rise to popularity. Take all these men dissatisfied with their jobs and struggling with recession and essentially blame it on the Jews. Tyler Durden and Hitler had a lot in common, so you can see how they managed to rally so much support.

@danwilliams2551 2 жыл бұрын

If you look up clips of the store clerk scene, it's tons of young men calling it "powerful" and "In Tyler We Trust". Young men who have never had their lives threatened and have likely never been in a fight, and have no desire to, but want to hide behind this movie as proof of their masculinity. It's depressing.

@valentinabarrientos 2 жыл бұрын

This.

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

Y'all just can't let men enjoy what they enjoy can you?

@bromo8874 2 жыл бұрын

@@painunending4610 you know this is like the third or fourth time I've seen one of your comments. i think it's interesting that instead of offering any kind of counter argument as to why everyone here is wrong, you just keep resorting to discussing "allowing people to enjoy things" when that's not really what's being talked about. I think a part of you probably realizes that the comments here might actually have a point but you don't really wanna admit it...

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

@@bromo8874 I just think people should be allowed to enjoy things the way they want to enjoy them. I'm a very liberal person and just disagree with all these policing tones. Let people like what they like the way they wanna like it I'll admit I don't really have any counter arguments because this stems from a place of emotion, not logic. I know it's pathetic but I'm kind of crying a bit as a type this I just feel threatened by this stuff honestly. Please just let me and other men be who we wanna be. These people are blatantly disregarding how these young men feel and why they feel it I read these comments and it feels the same as when someone tells me I'm not being a 'real man'. It's people policing masculinity, and I don't like that I'm sorry if my comments offended you. I guess I'm just trying to be heard. I shouldn't have been as antagonistic as I was sorry

@sanschmidt5457 2 жыл бұрын

@@painunending4610 I don't know if you will still read this or not. but I'm glad that you wrote this longer comment to specify how you feel about all of this. because my first instinct when I read your first comment in this thread was to judge you based on things i assumed about you and coming from my own point of view. and I'm sorry about that now. I'm really sorry that you feel like crying and less of a man reading all of this comments. It reads as if you are a sensitive man and that's something society can be really harsh about and it absolutely shouldn't be the case. I hope that I am right in assuming that you are still a bit young and will naturally grow out of the beliefs that you have adapted from other people that men can't be sensitive and must be a certain way in order to be manly. i myself fought with major internalized misoginy but I overcame it with active reflection as to where my beliefs came from, where they really mine or borrowed from others? was i a garbage human being only because i am a woman or does my character determine my worth? those were all things I found out for myself and nobody can take that from me, whether they agree with my conclusions or not. and I hope you can go a similar way and learn to love yourself for who you are and not for how accurately you portrait what society deems "manly". take care, friend

@Xina-Nail 2 жыл бұрын

Breakfast the next day -- in a cheap, dirty motel room, afraid to go home because a psychopath knows your address... not being able to afford veterinary school because of the cost of defaulting on your rental agreement to move out immediately.

@NinjaGidget 2 жыл бұрын

Lord help all those poor artists that try to make satire about toxic masculinity. There's always gonna be some percentage of the audience who think, "Aw man, Jerkwad McDouchebag knows what's up: he's saying what we're all thinking!"

@ApequH 2 жыл бұрын

And then there are those that think "what kind of %*&! would make this" thinking that they mean it. (If been that one)

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

And that's perfectly fine. People are allowed to interpret art seperate from the artists intentions

@bromo8874 2 жыл бұрын

@@painunending4610 its strange that you keep commenting this over and over. First about the Joker being problematic and now about this. Going on and on about what people are and aren't allowed to do when nobody was talking about that. Of course people are allowed to interpret art however they want. That's not even debatable; you literally can't stop people from doing that. The point is that the interpretations some people come to are questionable (and occasionally harmful to themselves or others)

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

@@bromo8874 I comment it over and over again because I believe it and want it to be heard If the interpretations some people are coming to are questionable well then ok. That's well within their rights to interpret it that way If people are hurting themselves because of these interpretations that is also in their rights. I'm a big believer in personal freedoms, even if it means the freedom to make mistakes That stops when you end up hurting other people. But I see now evidence of art alone doing that Why do you have a problem with me right now? I don't feel like what I'm saying is wrong. Please do not tone police me

@addiehillman6383 2 жыл бұрын

@@painunending4610 *snort* tone police. Wow.

@fifi237 2 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed all of Gabe's commentary

@CinemaTherapyShow 2 жыл бұрын

He was a great guest, and we loved the perspective he brought to the show!

@KR-ue1gd 2 жыл бұрын

My thought on the best-breakfast-ever scene: Tyler positions himself so he doesn't see the clerk's face. If he were really trying to "tough love" him into doing more with his life, he'd brave the connection of eye contact so he could see how his words landed, change tack as needed, et cetera. But for him, it wasn't really about helping the clerk (in a psycho way), it was about boosting his own narrative and self-image as the tough, scary, savior/sage. He didn't need to see the clerk's face for that, because the clerk was a prop.

@devinreed5725 2 жыл бұрын

As a person who loves this movie, and a person having a hard time with some of these topics, so much so that I'm getting therapy soon, this was very helpful and inspiring. Thank you.

@j.s.c.4355 Жыл бұрын

The part of this movie I loved was the “ In the world I see…” speech. In the movie, the buildings come down, while in the book, the narrator stops the bombs just in time. I was rooting for the buildings to fall, and to this day, the “In the world I see” speech is one of the most inspiring messages from any film I have ever heard. I dream of Tyler Durden’s future. We’ll be pounding corn on the abandoned super highways, and wearing leather clothes that will last a lifetime. Is it bad that I followed Tyler all the way to the end?

@JeshuaSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын

I just realized that some of Tyler's goals are similar to John Kramer from Saw. John puts people into situations to test their survivor spirit and expect they come out better on the other side, if they survive.

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Antifa

@JeshuaSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 huh? I don't understand the relevance.

@elisebrown5157 2 жыл бұрын

I saw that too, especially in the convenience store clerk scene. Yet we all know how mentally healthy John Kramer's survivors turned out.

@HannahAdamsSister 2 жыл бұрын

When I first watched it when I was a teenager I was like 🤯 there are some good messages, don't waste your life, do what makes you happy, have passion. Don't be taken in by the fake happiness of materialistic things. But then all that is buried by narcissism, the toxic masculinity and the mindless violence in the name of liberation.

@eliscanfield3913 2 жыл бұрын

With that circumstance, I'd probably be too traumatized to all of a sudden be brave.. You are a man if your heart says you are, whether you have testicles or not. No testicles just means it's a lot harder to have kids. Be Aragorn, not Tyler Durden

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

I don't wanna be Aragorn. Why can't I be what I want to be?

@johnwalker1058 2 жыл бұрын

"Be Aragorn, not Tyler Durden" Might be good to put on some merch, like a T-shirt or something.

@Izabela-ek5nh 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody said it is good to be Tyler Durden tho. The film itself points how sick is "being Tyler" :) Fight Club is my fav film tbh, so many layers, so many aspects, so rich and complicated - love it (but I don't treat it as a "listen to Tyler, kid" thing! It is not meant to be it, rather the opposite :)

@seano5112 9 ай бұрын

No that's not how that works.

@discreetscrivener7885 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t speak from experience, but I imagine that how one feels after a near death experience might depend on the nature of that experience. Like… surviving a car accident or a rock climbing incident vs an assault would leave you in very different places in the aftermath.

@obscillesk Жыл бұрын

I wonder if that kind of ties into Tyler seeing himself as a force of nature. Things that happen to you vs things that people do to you, cause I think there's something there

@Zelda123JEL 2 жыл бұрын

Alan looks like he’s actually in a fight club. Like I didn’t see it when he was telling his story, but I see it now.

2 жыл бұрын

20:16 that's how I felt at the end of A Cloclwork Orange, the book. The movie doesn't give that feeling of growth, empathy, and understanding that the book does. But Fight Club does that beautifully.

@Estarfigam 2 жыл бұрын

To be a man, you need to take responsibility for your actions. Know your limits and draw lines you refuse to cross. If a man needs to cry, he has that right. He does not have the right to be violent towards another unless in self-defense.

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

Eh depends. Sometimes violence is a good thing. If someone raped my mother I'd stamp on their face until it collapsed, and that would be the right thing to do, in my opinion Your just switching the definition of a 'real man'. What if people don't fit that, then you're still left with men who don't feel like real men

@jayliezambella 2 жыл бұрын

I think this idea of needing to prove u r a real anything is v dangerous. A good person doesn't have to prove they r good they just r. A man doesn't have to prove they r a man they just r a man, as a person is just a person.

@trustmaker1014 2 жыл бұрын

The next day breakfast convo... my first thought about that is 2 things: #1) the man chose to stop pursuing that path for a reason. Now he's being forced (at least from his perspective) to continue down that path when he might not want to. #2) that breakfast only has potential to be good if it didn't have Tyler's looming threat causing stress and anxiety about the future abuse he's likely suffer at the hands of the the same man who traumatized him last night. He's not suddenly set free of monotony. He remains afraid for his life under the power of a stranger who has control over him.

@_muggo 2 жыл бұрын

Has no one mentioned the disturbing face split-second flashing beside Jonathan and Alan's heads at certain points in these two Fight Club videos? P.S. You two create great videos, thank you so much! Also, it's comforting to know that Gabe Kapler is advocating for mental health for men, especially in a field like sports. Hopefully it spreads to many more fields like construction and onward where there is a lot of toxicity. Thank you for your admirable work, Gabe.

@crystalc4398 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was looking for this comment, I thought I was going crazy!! XD

@Linaxtic 2 жыл бұрын

I just really appreciate your commentary about people with DID because two of my closest friends (they're actually married to each other) have DID and I've been learning a lot about it through them and one of the things I hate most is when media portrays it as ooh scary they're gonna hurt you (Unbreakable, Split, and Glass for starters) and all that does is stigmatize them and make it harder for them to seek help.

@Polycomical 2 жыл бұрын

Given what just happened at the Oscars, this might be the most timely Cinema Therapy episode ever.

@obubbles4835 2 жыл бұрын

what happed?

@nastyfyme 2 жыл бұрын

@@obubbles4835 Will Smith slapped Chris Rock in the face...

@rockswe 2 жыл бұрын

@@obubbles4835 Will Smith smacked Chris Rock in response to a joke on Jada Pinkett Smith's expense.

@freakychick1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@obubbles4835 Will Smith smacked Chris Rock over a bad joke about Jada Smith and then said to, "Keep my wife's name out ya f-ing mouth."

@nastyfyme 2 жыл бұрын

@@obubbles4835 and male actors were mistreated by the female host (I am sorry but I don't remember this actress name)

@queenannsrevenge100 2 жыл бұрын

Three cheers for Gabe and the guys for teaming up. These two episodes were pure gold.

@Riku-zv5dk 2 жыл бұрын

$10 says Alan breaks the first and second rules of Fight Club this episode

@RainAngel111 2 жыл бұрын

The breakfast question. You could write a whole essay on that. I don't think it's a coincidence that a woman suggested that Raymond is not going to have the best breakfast of his life. We women have for a long time faced the majority of abuse and intimidation. How to handle dangerous situations is part of our education as women. If you've been abused, hurt, threatened, that isn't inspiring. That doesn't uplift you. I think Raymond may be as likely at the end of 6 weeks to consider suicide over living in terror the rest of his life. Sometimes in the journey to recover from abuse, you can find an inner strength that elevates you to a better place. Makes you a stronger person, but that isn't a result of the abuse. It's the result of fighting, every day, to claw yourself out of the pit someone else has thrown you in. When you finally get out, you do not thank the person who put you there for making you stronger.

@Nu_Wen 2 жыл бұрын

exactly! No matter how Tyler likes to think about it, the abuse isn't what makes people stronger, it's the will to fight! the will to get yourself out of the darkness and as you said the will to "claw your way out of the pit they threw you in". It's YOU, that made yourself stronger, not the abuser. the abuser gets absolutely NO claim over how strong you became.

@korratheaustralianshepherd5804 2 жыл бұрын

you guys sneaking in the cigar burn blips - love it!

@Creature_of_Knight 2 жыл бұрын

When Jon was talking about how tough feedback and criticism has to be backed up with a lot of genuine love, that little clip of Whiplash felt appropriate. When I was in highschool jazz band we played music from that movie and watched a couple clips. The teacher is threatening, and frankly scary. In a movie setting they pull it off to make it look like the students were pushed to excellence because the teacher brought them there, but in real life that kind of teacher? Who barrates and openly threatens and insults his students (who are minors btw)? Sure a certain kind of person could improve themselves with that, but I think the majority of kids would be damaged in a lot of ways with that kind of teacher. I think they'd become distrustful of adults at a minimum. Not to mention the issues that can arise from being daily berated, threatened and insulted at school, by a teacher no less. I haven't seen all of Whiplash so I can't speak for the whole movie. The music was awesome, I know that

@TheYoda559 2 жыл бұрын

I had a couch like that. I ended up quitting and hating the sport. Something, something, if you love the game you will per·se·vere, but like why would I want to be abused by a coach that was an a hole and chose favorites who assaulted people. Sorry, writing this is therapeutic, I am putting things together. Why would I want to get yelled at and told to go home by an adult when I was there to play. I think the worse part was that I was l told that I should get over it and It's like an argument that I know that I am right, but not heard, and now I am heard, and I don't need to argue anymore, and am healed. Thank you.

@ZUUL117 2 жыл бұрын

As a combat veteran who now works in corporate America, I really needed this video to happen. Thank you. What happens after you come from war to now just sit behind a desk and have your "ball$" taken away from you?

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service sir.

@grandsome1 2 жыл бұрын

I imagine it must hard detach oneself from the warrior persona, especially when it's probably the reason you're still alive. Correct me if I'm wrong. But, hey you're not just that and your balls are still hitching in your pants. Glad you made it home.

@differnet 2 жыл бұрын

You are still a hero. Every man or woman who gets up and does what needs to get done to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head is doing a good job. And in between, you do something to make the world better. I understand because I felt completely alive when I served, but now moments that I remember is helping someone.

@tinad8561 2 жыл бұрын

In my experience as a corporate employee in mixed veteran/corporate-shill environments… veterans tend to have very different definitions of “risk,” “urgent,” and “emergency,” which makes for a lot less drama about the work, which is nice, but sometimes more interpersonal drama because of the perspective difference. Don’t know your situation or how much you are missing the adrenaline/comparative simplicity of deployment, but I can see where flying a desk might be an unhappy paradigm shift.

@ZUUL117 2 жыл бұрын

@@grandsome1 Thank you

@birdpaladin9332 2 жыл бұрын

There is a righteous way to be an "angry young man" and a self righteous way. The sad part is that the self righteous think they're righteous and feed into their narcissistic delusion of grandeur. Tyler is the self righteous type who thinks pointing a gun is going to solve a cashier's need for money, education, and time for veterinary school because he projected his personal problem of motivation on a complete stranger. People can argue the point that maybe it was motivation that stopped the cashier, but the fact that we're left speculating his situation is proof enough that the interaction was alot less about him and alot more about Tyler. Tyler's actions were about himself and vindication, and not anyone else.

@bromo8874 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. That entire situation is only about Tyler. He's not helping the clerk, he's just making himself the new "god" for him to cower in fear of. Tyler wants to walk away from that situation and say "I did that. I helped inspire that man", instead of "He did that. He chose to chase his dreams".

@nataliesue2485 2 жыл бұрын

Tyler reminds me of "the agressive alter" that I've learned a lot of people with DID have. They're usually very scared of that particular alter. But at the same time, they say that one protects them.

@sadesemolu 2 жыл бұрын

That last scene was definitely evident of that. Tyler was like "Hey, I know you don't like me but know everything I'm doing so for you. Trust me."

@TheOnlyToblin 2 жыл бұрын

It did ring a bit of a protector alter. But it's, for story purposes, turned up to 11. Most DiD people are neither violent, nor aggressive.

@Stettafire 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like that's a dangerous assumption. Most people with DID are not violant.

@slimmccoy8863 2 жыл бұрын

@@Stettafire Except in Hollywood.

@TrueYellowDart 2 жыл бұрын

Great video(s). More people need to understand that Fight Club is a very deep book/film and that the allure of Pitt/Durden is absolutely part of the message about being wary of charismatic leaders who seem to have all of the answers. Also, I love how you kept having to end the clip of the buildings coming down right before the final penis splice happens.

@jdan3277 2 жыл бұрын

Lol I go on KZbin and see this what a good start to my day

@Jessie_Helms 2 жыл бұрын

An early example of that “tough love to an insane degree” is the song “A Boy Named Sue” by Johnny Cash. “This world is rough, and if a man’s gonna make it he’s gotta be tough. I gave you that name, I said goodbye, I knew you’d have to get tough or die, and it’s that name that helped to make you strong.”

@slimmccoy8863 2 жыл бұрын

In a similar vein Thulsa Doom: "Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart, I gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe. Crucify him."

@chiarardn2401 2 жыл бұрын

Please, do "Burning Bright" next! It's such an underrated movie about standing up against domestic abuse!

@tobiaslawrence8928 2 жыл бұрын

Is that the movie with that tiger?

@chiarardn2401 2 жыл бұрын

@@tobiaslawrence8928 yes, it is!

@MrKaelas 2 жыл бұрын

Even at 18, when I watched this...once Tyler takes the dark turn I went "Oh no". I think I had more of Jonathan's reaction. I didn't really enjoy it while it was happening, I was kind of a peaceful soul for the most part, but afterwards it did make me realize I needed an outlet for my aggression. In a way, after some introspection I think it helped ME find the same balance the Narrator did in a much less violent way. I mean, we still went on about the rules of "Fight Club". And my guy friends all started regularly wrestling and "fighting", we didn't throw punches because we didn't really want to hurt each other, all the time in our backyards. So I'm not sure all my friends got the message but I feel like that was a relatively healthy response and way to get our aggression as a group. It was interesting to me that the last people that would start a fight at school seemed to have the most aggression, but looking back that was probably because they were holding it in and that was their only outlet. Anyway, as always I loved the video! You guys gave a great analysis.

@Molly-Pop 2 жыл бұрын

This is such a brilliant film and book, I'm so so happy you all are going over it. I recommend this channel to almost everyone all the time

@sianthesheep 2 жыл бұрын

I think this is a great breakdown of toxic masculinity, and a great movie, but it also plays into the harmful and unrealistic stereotypes seen in many films about the presence of violent alters in systems of those with dissociative identity disorder.

@trannigan3349 2 жыл бұрын

Lol That real quick blip of Jonathan's face

@StanKwiecien 2 жыл бұрын

Nice in joke.

@potterfanz6780 2 жыл бұрын

Alan's too

@SinHurr 2 жыл бұрын

Might be worth mentioning, when the buildings finally pop, Marla jumps but Tyler/narrator doesn't flinch.

@AudioRevelation144Hz 2 жыл бұрын

Gabe is the voice of healthy masculinity, authentic, direct, firm, fair, love. Brilliant 👌💯

@Nicole-mn9oy 2 жыл бұрын

Me : sees the video only fans tinders.club/AGNEZ " Alright I think that's enough for today " My mom: makes soup Me : OK IM DONE Ello everyone if you are bored comment in my comment cause I'm also bored. :).

@swimdownx6365 2 жыл бұрын

Ironically college education is worse part of fight club Antifa

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

And thoughtful too! How many people wonder how that guy’s breakfast would taste the next day?

@sugarbaby1974 2 жыл бұрын

@@swimdownx6365 Dude, you're just throwing words into a sentence and you haven't made a lick of sense in this entire comment section. If you're trying to make any kind of point, you're failing spectacularly.

@Riku-zv5dk 2 жыл бұрын

@@sugarbaby1974 He's a right wing nut job throwing out random conspiracies, don' expect sense

@vishveshtadsare3160 2 жыл бұрын

Message of the film - if you do not control the beast it will devour you and everyone creating total chaos.

@StevenJQuinlan 2 жыл бұрын

With regards to tough love, may I quote the very wise Cadeuceus Clay, Pain doesn't make people; it's love that makes people. The pain is inconsequential; it's love that saves them.

@katwebbxo 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Gabe's friend on the breakfast scene. I imagine I wouldn't feel any positive emotion other than relief for being alive. But the negativity of the situation would be the main focus.

@Kittykat5kits 2 жыл бұрын

Look, men. There is a HUGE and obvious difference between “tough love” and trauma. Tough love, as love, will never injure the object of their love. Abusers injure the objective of their “love” and the proof is in the pudding. My father beat my sister and me because Dr. Dobson told him too. I don’t think that it’s much of a stretch to say that his “Tough love” is directly correlated to his 100% success rate in raising daughters who have been raped and fell in love with controlling abusers and who have no respect for him or patriarchy. Edited for spelling

@soirema 2 жыл бұрын

Though love can totally leave a person traumatized

@kodidane5824 2 жыл бұрын

That's not tough love, that's abuse.

@kodidane5824 2 жыл бұрын

That's not tough love, that's abuse.

@MidnightEkaki 2 жыл бұрын

i dont think anyone should respect patriarchy it shouldnt exist

@pahvi3 2 жыл бұрын

Most of what is called "tough love" isn't actually love at all, but abuse. Calling it "tough love" is people's excuse for that abuse.

@TheSimpleMan454 2 жыл бұрын

In the scene with Marla, you may also notice how much warmer and brighter the lighting is, how soft the music is, and how much lower the background noise is.

@babs3241 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, what a different way to see the same thing. I didn't find the scene to make Tyler look right. I saw it as making him look threatening, which pretty much only happens if the person isn't right. Maybe it's a woman thing? Seeing a man with a gun being aggressive doesn't take me to "he's right." I takes me to "He's a violent psychopath who you get away from as fast as possible and go straight to the cops with all the information I can give them. I once saw a guy threatening his girlfriend (jumping on her car hood) and I gathered what (small) courage I have and told him to lay off right the hell then, because she clearly wanted to get away. I didn't want to. But seeing a guy like that... you have to do something about it because it is NOT RIGHT by definition. Even if he says something true, I would question it _because_ he said it.

@BarbedFire 2 жыл бұрын

I think that when Alan says the scene makes Tyler look right, he's talking about the cinematic framing rather than his actual actions. The talk about the positioning, of being higher up which could cinematically imply control of the situation, but could be either a cold and aggressive control, or a strangely benevolent higher-understanding sort of control. Then the shot of just Tyler and the Narrator intending to make you focus on what he has to say, which is when he "justifies" what he did. Then, what they don't seem to discuss is the reveal that the gun was never loaded. It gives an easy explain-away for the scene, telling the audience and the Narrator that Tyler never intended to actually harm the guy. This enables the Narrator to brush it off, and he summarises it all as "right in a very Tyler-Durden-way". So the actions themselves are heinous, and any serious reflection on the scene brings you to the conclusion that it is not actually going to help Raymond, and will only traumatise him. However, the scene is deliberately shot to try and stack the deck in Tyler's favour using those framing tricks, showing that the Narrator is still buying in to that twisted ideology.

@jazzjensen Жыл бұрын

The freaking picture that flashes up for like one frame at 26:48

@Shadow1Yaz 2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU SO MUCH for pointing out that a lot of DID systems don’t want to be “fixed.” And that the alters live in harmony. ☺️

@jillianguilford5191 2 жыл бұрын

I'm poly fragmented. We strive to work in harmony with each other. We view ourselves as siblings and love each other.

@AxelQC 2 жыл бұрын

In the late 1990s, there was an exploration of anti-materialism and how materialism was toxic to American society. American Beauty explores this in a different way. That conversation was completely erased after 9/11, which was a shame. In a world dying from climate change, it's very important to talk about materialism and its substitute for real living.

@amandaski 2 жыл бұрын

"No great war, no great depression" **sweats in Millennial**

@seaborgium919 2 жыл бұрын

oh good I'm not the only one who was thinking about that

@SarahAbramova 2 жыл бұрын

2020...

@locomadman 2 жыл бұрын

My Grandpa, who lied about his age to he could go fight overseas in WWII, used to say exactly the same thing; the worst part of my generation (Gen X) was we had no Great War. …He’d have hated Millennials even more, but the thing is he never came back, not really. He wanted to be a priest before the war. After, not so much.

@egekazkayas8968 2 жыл бұрын

Where exactly is that Great War again ?

@SarahAbramova 2 жыл бұрын

@@egekazkayas8968 you mean like WW1?

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 2 жыл бұрын

10:19 - I interpretted that scene like Tyler _thinks_ that guy is going to home and be so relieved and grateful that he didn't die that he's gonna be highly motivated to seize the moment and not take it for granted, like he's got a new lease on life that he has to make the best out of it he possibly can. But, realistically, that guy is probably going to have PTSD and live in terror that every moment could be his last....and _maybe_ he'll channel it positively something like Tyler thinks he will, or maybe he'll just crack and completely fall apart because of it and be completely worse off than ever before, but who really knows[ it could go either way depending on the individual person].

@Rated314 2 жыл бұрын

Given the shenanigans at the 2022 Oscars, the topic of healthy masculinity is wildly necessary.

@HopeGardner3amed 2 жыл бұрын

Omg yes. So disappointed in Will Smith. No longer really a fan.

@rasmusn.e.m1064 2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. It's so weird that no one is talking about how it's not Will's responsibility to stand up for Jada. It's *her* responsibility.

@aabc1824 2 жыл бұрын

@@rasmusn.e.m1064 he is her husband it is his responsibility to defend her . if your wife or husband is being degraded you don't just sit down and do nothing. yes maybe the action of will Smith wasn't the correct way to defend Jada but still he is your husband

@TheOnlyToblin 2 жыл бұрын

@@aabc1824 No, it's not. If she needs defending, she'll tell you. You don't assume that you need to "protect the fairer sex". That's just built-in misogyny. We've been told they need to be protected, that they're "weaker". Fuck that.

@aabc1824 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOnlyToblin are you so focused on sex that you haven't read that I said " if your wife or HUSBAND" implying that a woman is not going to standby when her man is being insulted and dragged down because of his illness. I feel sad for your significant other if anyone can insult them infront of you and than you doing nothing about it and then be like " but you didn't ask for our help " . What's next a man's wife getting raped and he shouldn't do anything about it because it's build in misogyny to assume she couldn't protect herself

@Texicus_Reddicus Жыл бұрын

I had the same thing watching whiplash when I was younger.. I felt like Andrew was beating fletcher at the end and it wasn't fletchers abuse but Andrews determination that got him there. I saw his father looking in awe not horror. Watching it now is very different

@MyMotherTheCar 2 жыл бұрын

I love how hundreds of fight clubs sprang up after this movie released. But few of them lasted more than a couple meetings, because actual fighting hurts a lot more than watching other people fight.

@PhoutianPhill 2 жыл бұрын

12:32 I felt this in high school soccer. The coach was more tough, love, and it made me not want to play and get yelled at. The coach wasn't a horrible person, but he wasn't the 'best' for me and I didn't have a good sense of what being an athlete meant.

@DimaRakesah Жыл бұрын

The idea that you can physically assault someone and traumatize them into following their dreams is so insane to me. That poor man will be lucky if he can leave his house or hold a job or eat his breakfast the next day. To me, Tyler didn't help that man at all. He made the possibility of achieving fulfillment in life 100 times harder because now he has to do it while fighting through the trauma he has experienced.

@Hdresdendoc 2 жыл бұрын

i may be late, but I'm loving the references to the single frame Tyler Durdan appearances

@CappyJ 2 жыл бұрын

I think most of the reason I didn't enjoy Fight Club was I watched it with a bunch of people who thought it was just super cool. They had all seen it before and were shocked I hadn't. I just sat there saying "This is ridiculous. That's so unhealthy. That's abusive. It's flawed logic". With an understanding of the films intended message, I maybe would've appreciated it more. But I just ended up angry that so many people interpreted it as "Don't follow rules, do what you want".

@jliller 2 жыл бұрын

"Don't follow rules, do what you want" is what a lot of people want to hear.

@SarahRichardsGraba 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of my favorite movies, but when I watched it with a group of young guys in college, I was like, are you guys not watching the same thing? They were so hyped up on the cool factor that they completely missed the messages. 🤦🏻‍♀️ It was very annoying

@sfaira4072 2 жыл бұрын

I got to watch it knowing how much some people love and praise the movie, and suffered every minute. Every grey, unhappy, nihilistic scene was a torture and the tone of "Fuck all, you're free if you go into violence" annoyed me so much. It's nice to see it analysed like that, I definetely needed any worth of this movie pointed out to me.

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with 'don't follow rules, do what you want". That sounds like a pretty good message to me

@painunending4610 2 жыл бұрын

@@SarahRichardsGraba stop policing how people enjoy art

@zuzuthefirelord164 2 жыл бұрын

my take on a "best breakfast in his life" is like rebirth experience, truly, you went through super traumatic event, got to live and started to feel like that life is worth fighting for, especially after being in long depressed state, like you can achieve you dreams and be the man you always wanted to be and you feel motivated like you never did before, it's like a reboot of your full system, it shakes you up and you ready to go But I do see the opposite side of view as well, how it could lead to numbness, high anxiety and fear of being in danger all the time Essentially, it super aggressive wake up call, but I cherish this scene so much, and every time I reread or rewatch it, it gives me power to go on through the darkest times, cause I understand, that I create my own destiny and I can achieve everything I want, if I put my mind in it