Judoka Tries Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling) - Judo vs Shuai Jiao

[@snakeintwistedtree]

Pardon my Mandarin, as I am not sure if this is the correct characters!! Sorry in advanced! I'll put a question mark after the characters/names I am not unsure of. That technique at 3:51 is most like 胯崩 Kua Beng (后中心带崴(?) Hòu Zhōng Xīn Dài Kua Beng specifically). Kua Beng is very interesting because it's this gray area between 崴 Wāi (what Judo would consider a "One-Leg Blocking Tai Otoshi'" and 入 Rù (Judo's O-goshi). 胯崩 Kua Beng can usually happens when 1) One is not fast with their 入 Rù, so the opponent bounces off the hip/waist or 2) 崴 Wāi is attempted, but there is body contact/connection at the hips/waist. 胯崩 Kua Beng is not usually a technique that is intentionally practiced, but people who what to do when it occurs. The second technique s at 4:07 is 盘腿 Pān Tuī. It's not really a throw, rather it's more the name for the action of bringing the foot outward (practiced with the foot coming up in front, near the crutch) and the opponent falls as a result of the action. 盘腿 Pān Tuī is a great counter, usually for 大德合/大得合 (I've seen both characters used) Da De He. The Judoka was going for what looks like 躺刀 Tāng Dāo, one of the few sacrifice throws Shuaijiao has. The last technique at 4:22 was either 入 Rù or 胯崩 Kua Beng. Again, there's that gray area. I'd say it's 胯崩 Kua Beng, because 入 Rù possess a certain subtle quality, but I cannot say openly. I can't give other styles a leg-up for free haha 😏😁🤣 I am NO expert! I have only done Shuaijiao for over a single year (I do have prior experience in Western Boxing, Nanjing Bajiquan, and Jow Ga Kuen though). But most of these techniques I speak of, I can barely attempt, let alone do, so pardon me for running my mouth. I hope I can represent Shuaijiao accurately.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for the names!

[@rogermanley9017]

I did this in 2002 , stateside (they actually let me wear my judo gi, but other than that, the rules were Shuai jiao rules). I took the first place trophy (men’s black bet advanced super heavy weight- I was 175 lbs, at the time, and it was a great learning experience. I got to train , a little , with a different group of guys in Hebei Province in 2014, and had a blast. I met some great wrestlers. Grappling around the world can be be an instant opportunity for camaraderie. Nice post and analysis.

[@shinzu9494]

Shuai jiao should definitely be more popular, it's just very good, it's fast, free rules and has the detail that you must remain standing after throwing the opponent

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

It lacks ground work and its actually very similar to other folk jacket styles. Its not bad, but if you like this then you'll be happy with Bokh, Kokh, Chidaoba, Sambo and etc.

[@MbisonBalrog]

I like that is has barely any gripping rules unlike judo which pretty much allows sleeve lapel grip.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@MbisonBalrog Judo has a lot of grip configurations I dunno what you are talking about. Some of them are not allowed yes, but that's because those are stalling grips used to waste time more than anything. Even then, you can use them if you attack.

[@MbisonBalrog]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de configurations of sleeve lapel. No cross gripping which means you can’t take back. No two hands one side. No pants no belt

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@MbisonBalrog You can cross grip, just not forever in order to try stall out. But you can cross grip, take the back and straight up ura-nage someone. You can also do two hands on one side, again time limited. You can grab the belt, with time limits and the intent of throwing. The pants one is the only outright limitation.

[@ArslanMagomedov286]

Great video! We need more shuai jiao content

[@poleag]

The throw by red at 3:50 is Tsuri-goshi (Lifting Hip Throw). At 4:14, blue attempts a hand-assisted Kouchi-gari (Small Inner Reap). The final throw by red is another Tsuri-goshi.

[@FightCommentary]

In judo, is it possible to grab the upper sleeve like the shuai jiao short sleeve, or is that not possible with the gi?

[@poleag]

@@FightCommentary It's possible. Taking a grip on the upper sleeve or shoulder area is even preferred by some players. Also, there were also some famous players like Toshihiko Koga and Shohei Ono who liked to grab the armpit area instead of taking a sleeve grip. It shouldn't be a problem for a judoka to adapt to shorter sleeves, but it would take time if they're not used to it. The strategy of the judoka in this video of holding the front of the belt and stiff-arming is interesting because it wouldn't be legal in Judo competition to hold an unorthodox grip like that for a long time. He would also get penalties for stalling. But the point of that grip was mainly defensive .. he was trying to keep distance. Another thing: Teddy Riner, the famous player from France, actually prefers that behind-the-neck grip that the Shuai Jiao guy was using in this video. It's great for relatively taller players because they can pull the opponent's head down and break their posture. So it's definitely a grip that's used in Judo. The way your Judo would translate to Shuai Jiao would depend on what specific grips and techniques you use. People who do lots of techniques where they drop to their knees or use sleeve-based throws like (Sode-tsurikomi-goshi) would need more time to adapt. But there are Georgian/Central Asian/Mongolian players who could adapt to Shuai Jiao instantly because their Judo is heavily influenced by their indigenous wrestling styles which tend to have similar uniforms with no sleeves/short sleeves, belts, and smaller lapels.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for your in depth answer! I will pin your comment! So good to see judokas giving me more knowledge! What's your name, if I may ask?

[@poleag]

@@FightCommentary I'm flattered, but I'm nobody. Not even a black belt in Judo. So take everything I say with a grain of salt. :D

[@pablogonzalez2009]

Don't worry about sounding "against Judo". You're only really pissing off the cultists. As a Judoka, or really every martial artist should learn about the flaws of their martial art.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

4:45 "the throw the judoka would not be used to" is particularly similar to the first hip throw you learn in Judo. O Goshi. The more I look into this chinese style the more I learn about "applications" of standing Judo. To me is an style that blends quite well. My apologies for any misspelled words 😂

[@FightCommentary]

Do you grab the top of the collar in judo like in Shuai Jiao?

[@chengjih]

@@FightCommentary The typical grip will be lower, down near the elbow. On the other hand, the mechanics of O Goshi are as a hip technique, and the hand position isn't *that* critical (e.g., you can throw O Goshi from a lapel grip, which would be even higher up than the short sleeve grip). We would still call it an O Goshi because the hip mechanics are the same, albeit with an unorthodox grip.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@FightCommentary Yes. This is in fact ideal. There are many kinds of grips you can take in Judo, and traditional jacket wrestlers often bring in some very interesting tricks.

[@mark9104]

my 2 cent as someone who did judo b4 who got a chance to try shuai jiao (twice) as well, the behind the neck grip is common in judo but there is a time limit to it, I think thats one the reason the judoka wasn't comfortable with it at all, as for his grip on the belt, I think he did it to prevent hip entering by his opponent, which is not uncommon in judo when you were on defensive position, especially given the fact he could not get a preferred grip himself. One thing that I noticed when I tried shuai jiao, their uniform was real hard for me to grip, being thicker, shorter and much tighter than judo gi, so the usual grip fighting techniques don't quite work (when you go for it it just wasn't there as you'd have expected it if it was a judo gi)

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

There is no limit to the behind the neck grip. The belt grip however has a time limit and is frowned upon in Judo... in fact he wouldn't be training it much at all. I think the fact he so freely decided to ditch his training in favour of playing with things he couldn't do in Judo opened him up to Shuai Jiao's experience.

[@mark9104]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de from my understanding unconventional kumikata is only allowed for immediate attack. I could be wrong as I was not actively in judo anymore, but I do remember when they changed it because it was at a time when I still did judo, in my date behind the neck grip was very common and they made it only for immediate attack to discourage passivity, as it was quite a dominant grip. You will get shido for not attacking. As for belt grip, yes there was a time limit, but you can see it was more a stiff arm hand on waist defense he was doing, my guess was because he couldn't get a proper grip, as I did found it hard to secure a good grip when I tried shuai jiao. I do not understood where your last comment was from, maybe you know something about this judoka background which I don't. I personally don't see nothing wrong with fun playing/cross training with other arts. I trained/played with aikidoka, shuai jiao players, even someone who studied systema during my time, there were quite a few aha moments and I personally don't see nothing wrong

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@mark9104 The rules have changed more, for the better since we're actually allowed quite a lot of things now. The behind the neck grip though is absolutely ordinary and has never been considered strange or limited. I am not saying its wrong to try other arts at all, I'm just saying that this Judoka is attempting to use stuff that Judoka aren't actually familiar with, while Shuai Jiao is more exposed to. Its kind of like a boxer trying to leg kick a kickboxer, and then breaking their shin because its a mistake to try play the kickboxer's game.

[@mark9104]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de cool, thanks for letting me know about the rule change. Honestly, I have no faith in IJF at all in rule change at all, they care nothing but trying to push viewership

[@elenchus]

It's astonishing how similar jacket fighting is between the two cultures. Even if we look at a different style like karate, which not only has origins in white crane kung fu, the difference between karate and white crane is enormous, yet these two similarly geographically distant jacket fighting systems are almost identical. Either there is a relatively small amount of optimal techniques and tactics in jacket fighting such that all systems converge on something basically the same, or there's a lot of cross-pollination going on.

[@eagle162]

@@elenchus what exactly is the origin of karate? I keep finding it hard to piece together.

[@elenchus]

​@@eagle162 Unfortunately, it's effectively prehistoric due to the lack of records in the early days of proto-karate (sometimes just called "te" or "tode"). What we know is that karate developed in the Ryukyu kingdom, a small island chain that is now part of Japan, and for our purposes includes Okinawa. Okinawa was a critical trading port in antiquity due to its proximity to both Japan and China, so it is thought that a great deal of culture, including Japanese but particularly Chinese, was transferred to the Ryukyu kingdom via trade. This would have included art, literature, technology and so on, but also martial arts. To get even more specific, Okinawa particularly traded with Fujian, China, which makes sense just looking at these two regions on a map. This is relevant because it makes plausible the oft-cited claim that karate probably originates from white crane kung fu, AKA beihequan. Particularly in the naha-te styles (in modern karate, the style is divided between the naha-te, like goju-ryu, and the shuri-te, like shotokan, referencing the regions of Okinawa that they derive from, in addition to a very rare style called tomari-te), a resemblance can be appreciated. It's conceivable that the Okinawans were already practicing an indigenous martial art prior to extensive cultural exchange with the Chinese, but we'll never really know. I think it's at least safe to say that large amounts of kung fu were exported to Okinawa via regular trade routes (perhaps in the form of the sailors themselves, perhaps in the form of travelers stopping by, and also in the reverse, Okinawans traveling to China) probably from white crane or similar styles, which may no longer be extant in the form they were revealed to the Okinawans. From there, those martial arts took root in Okinawa, where they developed largely, but not entirely, independently from kung fu into a distinct martial art. It is likely, in my mind anyway, that the Okinawans would have received occasional kung fu injections here or there that would have affected their own domestic martial arts practice, but karate is sufficiently distinct from Fujian kung fu styles at this point that I think it must have primarily developed in relative isolation. So that brings us into the 19th century, right before we arrive at contemporary karate. Okinawa was rapidly merging into Japan by the late 19th century and at this point became fully annexed. Not long after, a shuri-te master called Funakoshi, founder of the Shotokan, came to demonstrate Okinawan martial arts to the Japanese, and this was sufficiently impressive that Kano, the founder of judo, essentially invited Funakoshi to stay in Japan and helped to promote karate. The martial art was modified in many ways, which was not unusual in the early 20th century, something we see from Kano and traditional jujutsu, Ueshiba and aikijujutsu, and of course Funakoshi, with traditional Okinawan karate. His new system of karate, taught at the Shotokan, became by far the most popular style in Japan and the world, and of course it splintered into many versions of itself like most martial arts do. While traditional Okinawan karate exists and is still pretty popular, modern Japanese karate is generally what people think of when someone says the word karate. So that's more or less what I've put together between the prehistory and history of karate.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Chidaoba. Bokh. Kokh. Ssireum.Hell, Sambo. In the end wrestling everywhere looks very similar. Doesn't help that Kano gladly borrowed techniques from other places for Judo. Granted, no-gi wrestling looks quite different to this. Much more crouching, leg grabbing and a tendency for more mat work. Jacket wrestling rules mostly all have a thing for 'THE FLOOR IS LAVA' style play.

[@Peter-p7e]

Karate = france sabate

[@fteambjj]

​@@eagle162 okinawan karate from white crane kung fu. The kicks in karate is from savate, one of the son of the okinawan inventor saw some people doing savate kicks and incorporate it in their MA. Something to this is the best i found online

[@greggfarnn2147]

Very cool stuff! Thanks for the content!

[@leodouskyron5671]

I am more boxing but it LOOKS like the judoka was focused on the hips to tell where his opponent’s center of gravity was not able to capitalize on that. This was the Chinese fighter’s party and he through it hard as he throws his opponent. Did a great job.

[@aluisiofsjr]

1:56 Judo guy tried Ko Uchi Makikomi.

[@ThailandTerry2024]

Good stuff, keep up the commentary too …

[@Gieszkanne]

4:19 no he didnt "over power" him. This was a very good counter throw. He hocked his leg and took him totally out of balance. After the Judoka got thrown the first time he lost his temper and got very rude and try with brute force. The Shuai Jiao guy stay calm the whole time and used technique. He has my high respect

[@combatshuaichiaoaustin9444]

100%

[@MA-ji1iz]

Good grappling. I know training Kung Fu in China is like Football in europe for kids, but hopefully more and more chinese people popularize to grappling where they are. China could become a grappling powerhouse.

[@mengmao5033]

Chinese people don’t really mass participation or appreciation for indigenous martial arts like many countries have for soccer. If they had, Chinese martial arts might produce more serious international level competitors

[@FightCommentary]

I just realized this watching again, but they have shoes! I've never noticed that before. So Shuai Jiao is trained in shoes!

[@tranquil_dude]

Red contestant is also wearing shorts (and generally appears more chill) XD The Shuai Jiao environment seems closer to real life than Judo.

[@combatshuaichiaoaustin9444]

All the time just like Catch Wrestling.

[@harinezumi7389]

The Shui Jiao uniform looks like a very interesting uniform to train with, im sure it must be thicker to avoid tearing but it seems to mimic something like a t shirt more than a dogi! I think many judoka could benefit from training Shui Jiao. I wonder if there are any places to do so in my area You should check out Irish Collar-and-Elbow fighting! Its another jacket wrestling art and i'd love to see your break it down!

[@FightCommentary]

I will take a look at that lead. Thank you for that! I've never heard that before!

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Judoka kinda already do, if they come from countries like Georgia, Mongolia or Kazakhstan. Those guys have wrestling rules that heavily resemble Shuai Jiao, and in fact they bring them into Judo for success. The Judo gi is a lot harder to grab if anything, because of its stiff unforgiving nature to the hands. I fuck my fingers up all the time. Before you ask, no. They weren't leg grabbers. In fact Georgian Chidaoba bans leg grabs. Jacket wrestling nations are OBSESSED with lifting upper body pickups. Like suplexes, or the infamous Kharabeli lift. Hell, Judoka in general will employ similar holds when suitable. I personally use armpit grips a lot, which wouldn't be out of place here.

[@mengmao5033]

A fresh shiaijiao jacket is much stiffer than most garments. I think on that aspect, it’s not a good simulation of any streetwear except maybe a heavy canvas jacket. I’m talking so stiff that you couldn’t easily palm any flat part of the fabric and create a grip, which is easy to do with a tshirt or sweater. Likewise, an inside the sleeve grip would likely tear a tshirt in one or two throw attempts. That said, shuaijiao has plenty of no-gi throw variations to fall back on in a street encounter

[@mengmao5033]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3dejudogi harder to grab than a shuaijiao jacket? Maybe, but not because it’s stiffer. At comparable levels of wear, the sj jacket is gonna be stiffer. Mine is so structured that I have trouble taking it off after training.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@mengmao5033 I never got to see a close up of them until recently and you aren't wrong, they are very thick and I think OP made too much of its 'thinness'. If anything, its not at all better to train in thin clothes, as you won't develop as much skill that way.

[@MMAWARRIOR20]

4:07 looks like a kouchi makikomi. It’s hard to describe what the add-on “makikomi “means to an outsider. Basically a takedown with an element of arm wrapping to the uke (recipient) is classed as makikomi. Not that I’m an expert on judo nomenclature.

[@infinitemonkey917]

It has some similarities to a European style of folk wrestling called Gouren.

[@Ming1975]

About grappling uniforms I find the sambo uniform is the best for all round use. You are looking too much into upper part, Shuai Jiao means sweep the leg, foot work hinges and sweeps is why the call it Shuai Jiao (sweep leg). 4:22 the judo throw was interrupted by the leg hinge lock.

[@FightCommentary]

Wrong. 摔跤 is the characters for the art not 摔脚。 Please dont ever try to correct basic mandarin if you dont speak it.

[@Ming1975]

@@FightCommentary Eh? It's not written as 摔脚? 😅

[@mengmao5033]

@@FightCommentaryit can also be 摔角

[@mengmao5033]

@@Ming1975 摔 doesn’t really mean sweep, either

[@AGuy-s5v]

As a Judoka, i don't know if it's that you're "against Judo" I think it's more that you're saying what everyone is thinking. A lot of videos show how well Judo performs, but then we remove Judo from a Judo context and many Judokas find themselves being outperformed in many instances vs other standup/takedown centric grapplers. It's mildly disheartening to see Judokas not demonstrating what makes Judo so prominent. But that's what cross training is for, and IMO Judo is a great toolbox art. From key takedowns to footsweeps, Judo gives you a tool based on particular criteria/stances. If anything we see the point i'm making from Judoka who go to other sports, like some of the MMA footage on this channel where Big throws are done in an MMA setting by being set up by strikes, not grappling. There is a point to Judo, but IMO Judo is much more catered to being a tool, not a style you would approach with.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Every style is nothing more than a toolbox. You take boxing out of its context and it loses too, doesn't mean its at all useless.

[@AGuy-s5v]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de While my opinion is that there are tools that effective arts can teach you, what you said isn't entirely true. Also, no one said any particular effective art is useless, just that when we compare an art to another, we still see anything between fantastic and pitiful results outside the bubble the art in question sits inside. Muay Thai has some great tools, but it also is a great standup art that by itself is a solid art that is an acceptable approach regardless of your opponent. Kickboxing falls in a similar boat, but it isn't as good as Muay Thai. Combat Sambo is in a very similar vein to Muay Thai as it demonstrates a more than acceptable striking/kicking prowess in addition to the grappling that it does. Kudo as well. If you're talking about modern boxing, then by all means, this is despite the fact that boxing is more applicable than Judo (if you haven't seen the boxing vs Judo video then I encourage you to do so to see my point). I see what you're saying, but some arts have much better "catch-all" or simply a broader variety than one facet ( i.e. grappling only having grappling solutions) compared to other arts for the same/similar problems.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@AGuy-s5v Eh, not quite. You don't actually see authentic Muay Thai in MMA for one, it would do poorly due to stance. Kickboxing can be better, but often has its own deficiencies too. Combat Sambo and Kudo aren't fair to place here, since they're basically MMA styles... both of which actually use Judo as components of their game. In fact some of their best guys are literally Judoka who employ Judo heavy games. The Boxing video is something I am aware of and its not really fair since the Judoka doesn't get to use gi or even strike to get into grapppling range. A grappler is a lot less dangerous if you know they're only going to wrestle- even the Gracies early on actually used a kick to initate grappling. Without using striking to bridge into wrestling, it doesn't work. Point is that they really are just tool boxes. Is Muay Thai shit because it loses to Sanda a lot in Sanda rules? No.

[@TheAntonbc]

3:20 absolutely Beautiful counter ❤

[@pablokunpu]

The throw by red at 3:20 scores for shuai jiao guy, no doubts, his elbow touches the floor but way after the judo guy gets his full back on the mat. ( 3 ponits at shuai jiao rules)

[@FightCommentary]

Oh! That makes sense!

[@mengmao5033]

Re grip fighting and short sleeves - even though you can grab the hands and wrists, they’re not as reliable once you’re sweaty. Hence there’s less friction entering into range to grab the sleeves/lapels. That higher speed attack, defense, and counterattack looks and works like… CMA trapping! I think a lot of arts that specialize in bridge range would benefit from cross training wrestling in a short sleeve jacket

[@PazCristo]

Jerry, for Shuai Jiao, you can find 于師父 from晉豪格鬥館 who is the teacher of '館長', and he was on a piece of Taiwanese news because of took down a street robber

[@furianozaurus6457]

Very beautiful sporting! 💪🏻👍🏻🫡👏🏻

[@ethienosinsky5186]

Shuai Jiao is really cool and underrated, the kung fu school where I live only has one class per week and its bad, it's just drilling some techinques and excessive garbage crossfit wasting time that should be spent learning the martial art. More Chinese Wrestling schools should open in Europe and America, I'm convinced there is a market for it in the West, anyone who has the skills to teach would be quite successful.

[@combatshuaichiaoaustin9444]

Hopefully you can make it to our Austin Chapter sometime.

[@ethienosinsky5186]

@@combatshuaichiaoaustin9444 I don't plan on travelling to Australia any time soon unfortunately, but I'm sure I'll find a club when I'm able to move to a proper city

[@RecoveringFpsJunkie]

1:38 More of a "wrong leg" tai-otoshi. Here's a good resource on Shuai Jiao techniques kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpjddH6onJmCpKM

[@Djimbe]

thanks

[@DAVIDRICHARDS-l7y]

Years ago there was a guy that was a Master of this Chinese writing system and Hsing Yi and he was an incredible fighter. Was before the UFC. He would have done very well.

[@FightCommentary]

Tell me more!

[@OldJudoGuy]

At 2:40 judoka attempts a sasae tsuri komi ashi

[@combatshuaichiaoaustin9444]

💪🏽

[@OneFromEasternFinland]

Judo's roots go way back to a number of Japanese jujutsu styles, such as tenjin shinyo-ryu, kito ryu and daito ryu aikijujutsu - and on the other hand, many jujutsu styles have been influenced by shuai jiao

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

You should check out Lavell Marshall. Shuai Jiao isn't the highest level of grappling, but the dude is legit asf and he's currently trying to make it in Mongolian Wrestling. As an American no less.

[@realkungfu-gr]

There is no such thing like, martial art A vs martial art B! It's always people vs people. The blue guy that you call judoka definitely knows the grips but probably he lacks experience in shuai jiao grip fighting because the uniform and the distance are different. In China many judo athletes practice or cross train in shuai jiao so they can have more options. When they are young they go for Judo because it's an olympic sport and very popular. When they finish competing they enjoy shuai jiao in the parks... 🙏

[@elenchus]

With regard to judo broadly, I think there is a sort of outsider and insider mentality going on implicitly that people aren't noticing. To many practitioners, judo is a sport, first and foremost, although even with no modifications at all it can offer valuable skills to people who want to focus on MMA, open-rules grappling, or self-defense. Nonetheless, judo's focus on judo competition necessarily means it isn't focused on performing well in MMA or more open grappling rulesets to the degree that the rules diverge. There is an outsider presumption that this is inferior, an implicit belief that all roads must lead to MMA success, so if something does not contribute to your performance in open-rules combat, then it is suboptimal or bad. That's a perfectly fine view, but it's not inherently correct. There's nothing wrong with judo existing to prepare students for the sport of judo. Right now, judo training is the single best way to prepare for judo competition, not shuai jiao, not BJJ, not wrestling. It's OK to love the sport and train for the sport. There is no requirement that every martial art be a form of prep for MMA, the ADCC (etc.), or even SD. My fear is that if we really opened up the rules of judo that it would just evolve into BJJ again, like it did the last time. I love BJJ, but we already have BJJ. Maybe there could be some sort of additional judo class, sort of like how BJJ has no gi classes, that bridges the gap somewhat for judoka that want to develop their skills for non-judo competition.

[@FightCommentary]

Very interesting points!

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

This is pretty much the gist of it. I actually asked my sensei one time about my concerns of over-rotation, and he just shrugged and went 'You got ippon, its all good'. His son would even say that you can't do Judo without gi, it just becomes wrestling. Judoka are largely pleased with Judo being what it is, and that is being a prestige sport played all over the world and with the chance of Olympic glory. Fighting in the UFC? Nah, that's savage cage fighting. Now I do Judo because I want to be good at fighting and shit, so its not perfect for me. But I simply treat Judo the way I treat boxing- as a way to improve on a specific set of skills. Yes, if we really opened up Judo to whatever it is that people desire it to be... it really stops being Judo. Kosen Judo is just a ruleset, but it could be fun to have as a bigger thing that's not limited to Japanese Universities. Having Sambo integrated more to Judo could work too, as they are a bit looser... but then again they also have stupid shit like no chokes and weaker ground game. Wrestlers do not care that they lack submissions. Boxers do not care that they'd get leg kicked to oblivion. Likewise, Judoka tend not to care if they have freestyle fighting flaws. Those that do will cross train, find value in their skills but also patch up their flaws.

[@THEANPHROPY]

Nice! Thank you for the upload Brother! Now find some Bohk vs xxxxxx please :::)) Peace & Love!!!

[@FightCommentary]

I will take a look soon

[@Feast_of_Fighters]

There has been a long history of judoka going against judoka. Masahiko Kimura's teacher, Tatsukuma Ushijima, went to Beijing to face a Shuai Jiao champion. I made a short video about it on my channel. kzbin.infoWpLJsBWJyAc?si=hFNxB9BrFBJMcqh6

[@jaimemercado8404]

pon el link

[@Feast_of_Fighters]

@@jaimemercado8404 kzbin.infoWpLJsBWJyAc?si=RZjaZ6pSsaCgNqTO

[@Feast_of_Fighters]

​@@jaimemercado8404 Unfortunately, it won't let me post the link. Just look at my shorts for tatsukuma ushijima

[@patrickfowler590]

​@jaimemercado8404 For some reason it won't let me post. Just look at my Feast of Fighters shorts for "tatsukuma ushijima"

[@Zen-ep6mc]

and Chinese Shuaijiao masters all praised him for being strong and having the endurance.

[@MbisonBalrog]

Is this judoka from Japan or Korea?

[@FightCommentary]

China

[@ericgirard-realtor9813]

Shuai jiao is the only real traditional kung fu style in my opinion

[@OldJudoGuy]

That wasn’t an uchi-mata-like technique. More like a koshi-nage or uki-goshi

[@SirPraiseSun]

short sleeve 50 50 lol

[@ObjectHistory]

I think the size difference was unfortunate, still a cool video to check out

[@MbisonBalrog]

Grabbing belt is not allowed in Judo.

[@FightCommentary]

Oh! Thats interesante!

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Actually it is. We got whole moves that are based on grabbing the belt. Obi Tori Gaeshi is a fun and spectacular technique. Of course, it must be used for attack, not defence.

[@The-Golden-Oak]

Was a good exhibition, and I think the Shuai Jiao guy did better over all, but by your commentary it seems you lack some understanding of the Judoka perspective and style.

[@FightCommentary]

Definitely! Not familiar with Judo. It’s on my list of things to learn.

[@redpilljujitsu9068]

Shuai Jiao guy using a lot of Russian/Georgian Judo style grips which is impressive.

[@slothmaster101]

Judo practitioners really struggle against their Shuai Jiao counterpart.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

You'd think Shuai Jiao would then send their athletes into the Olympics then lol. They don't- ultimately top flight Judoka are superior.

[@HardHardMaster]

It's not a very good judoka

[@lxwong]

Very biased comments in favour of judoka. Maybe the less said the better.

[@cruiz7037]

Brute force over technique

[@stearnpokohn7581]

Modern Shuai Jiao is just a copy of Judo.

[@mengmao5033]

It has very different tactics because of the different rulesets. Further, Shuaijiao is derived from Mongolian bokh. Judo is a much more recent sport

[@arnsnicklefritz9634]

Lithium n quartz mines. Twiwan hit by tsunami.

[@arnsnicklefritz9634]

People who survived in maui hawaii had a blue roof. Chinese people are covering their homes w blue tarps. Enjoy the advendure round ine ken

[@arnsnicklefritz9634]

Bruce lee was a good dish washa . Lol kung pow lol 😂 sanga is it, the christian martial art? Lol. They sent a pallet of electric chainsaws to an area without power lol