Fighters Vs. Unfair AI - Sins Of A Solar Empire 2

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Can we defeat an unfair AI using only Strike Craft. Is this possible?
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[@AustinThomasPhD]

You are Advent Wrath. You could use the Temple of Pilgrimage to colonize. You don't even need ships to colonize.

[@MontuPlays]

@@AustinThomasPhD not from the very start though, right? That would be quite a delay 🤔

[@InsomniacDream88]

​@@MontuPlays actually I believe it's in the first tier and your home planet starts with a greater one too.

[@MontuPlays]

@@InsomniacDream88 oh well, that would be pretty easy then!

[@gogeta667]

​@@MontuPlaysYup. You can colonize any adjacent system with the Temple. It's very cool.

[@AustinThomasPhD]

@@MontuPlays Yes! With Wrath, you only really ever need a progenitor or a colony ship if you hit a dead asteroid or don't want to use a temple of pilgrimage for some reason. But remember, you can always build them for colonizing and planet development, then replace them later. Your home planet starts with a temple of pilgrimage, so the second you clear the adjacent gravity wells of enemies, they are magically colonized.

[@FedoraReshiramGaming]

o7 for that 1 drone host, may their small sacrafice strengthen the resolve of the unity forever more!

[@tonyc1956]

Interesting tactic. As an original disc owner with 1000+ hours (including Steam Rebellion) 75% of which spent as playing the TEC with some Vasari on the side, I used to hate the Advent. As a matter of fact the only 2 remaining achievements I haven't got are Advent related and I had to do most of them twice as they didn't carry over to Steam. This actually looked like a neat thing to try. Impressive how the game engine handles all those swarms without a hiccup. Thumbs up!

[@ansa3252]

Yeah I imagine Stellaris choking and hang up my PC trying the same lol

[@EveofConflict]

A player on TEC could easily deal with this. The AI just cant cope with this level of Spam. It's a useful tactic until the TEC player puts flak burst on all ships and spams Gardas.

[@Aliff_Klg]

Agree so much, another method is just spam Sovas + corvettes early on and once you get starbase its checkmate. This is the most cheapest Tec build.

[@neudaiz]

Last time I was this early I ended up as a mistake between my parents

[@kieranmalenoir8705]

fighter spam is very strong against the AI in sins 2 not so much players but still very good

[@AccessAccess]

For the record unfair AI is not really that difficult. AI up to nightmare is weak against carriers in general even if you are playing TEC (just not Vasari) and the AI also has a habit of fleeing too easily (it believes it is outmatched when in reality it may not be).

[@Dorumin]

Why are fighters so strong? I always ignore them, they feel ineffective

[@robertwadsworth3411]

Next is missiles only

[@MontuPlays]

That... is not a bad idea actually haha

[@tempe_t3680]

isn't missiles only a standard strategy for vasari tho? even their strike craft shoot missiles so you can do both challenges at once with them.

[@robertwadsworth3411]

@@tempe_t3680 in part yes I'm trying to go for a one type weapon for all three races and than have them fight only using that one weapon in a multiplayer game to see which one is the best

[@zach942]

Marza dreadnoughts with javelis spam go brrr

[@AyoKeito]

So normal game then?

[@chriseash6497]

Fun run. Play Freespace’s Shivans. Bum rush the L-Gate and mograte there. Then wipe out all space faring races to allow the non spacefaring races to become space faring. Then wipe those out.

[@tonysauruswrexu4623]

THERES A SINS 2?!?!?!! 😲😲😲

[@doshka17channel70]

Just launched couple weeks ago on steam

[@tonysauruswrexu4623]

@@doshka17channel70 awesome!! I can’t wait to play it! 😄

[@zoxin9293]

Is Sins Rebellion strike craft spam was balanced by requiring antimatter to build it (for non-capital carriers). So Aeria Drone Host came out of shipyard with 0 strike craft, had to spend all it's 600 antimatter to build it and even then was only 90% stocked. Add to that build time and build time penalty of 90% if the enemy is in the same gravity well and this cheese was at least somewhat countered. Now in Sins 2 it isn't balanced in any way, so in multiplayer you go for carriers or you bleed and lose. This is sad. Thanks Montu for bringing attention to it!

[@lelouchvibritannia7809]

I was actually getting stomped by the Hard AI Vasari Exodus as TEC Enclave. I tried to Turtle and make a diverse army but I just kept losing all my stuff So I just decided to bite the bullet and make nothing but Carriers and more carriers. Even stopped building Titans. Suddenly I could win fights

[@ansa3252]

No surprise. Air superiority wins battles, even in PvP.

[@G4M5T3R]

17:00 If they have the power to win then they wont try to leave.

[@НикитаФролов-ъ5е]

hi, can you share your opinion on faction balance, i read on the internet that advent is much stronger than tec, but yesterday i played a match against unfair AI, and at every stage i felt that i had ways to reliably beat my opponent

[@momchilandonov]

If you wanna do a retro review with similar concepts I would recommend Conquest: Frontier Wars. It seems to be an underrated game due to Starcraft's success.

[@McDadden]

spiffing brit would be proud

[@Fallenangel_85]

I was just thinking, that actually sounds like a normal Advent Wrath game lol Carrier spam and colonization through their special building, which is better then a colony ship. Wait, and then you just build non carrier ships + a colony ship you don't even need? I'm surprised you're not going for impossible AI, without AI mods that's very doable. Fighter only, no bombers should also be very possible. Against unfair, which was nerfed recently too, that's more a walk in the part honestly Just play aggressive, top fleet power and be on "must have only" plan for tech until you're very fluid with a big fleet

[@aecides3203]

This was great to watch. I loved the strike craft swarm in 1 and was a little devastated when it got absolutely obliterated by missiles in 2. Do you know if they've been buffed at all since release? Because they were the Advent's main thing and they didn't seem to work any more. The issue, as best I could spot it, was that the fighters were capable of intercepting enemy missiles but the AI couldn't auto-target them well enough to actually intercept efficiently and the only way I could think of to do it manually was to pause, target a missile, unpause, destroy it, pause, target a missile (which sounded like such pure pain I didn't even try it). Beyond that, I still really miss trade stations in the factions other than TEC - it's probably an optimisation to reduce overall lag (which is understandable), but the convoys of trade vessels travelling through your empire did a lot to make it feel alive and active.

[@andrewgaiennie2002]

It must have been disappointing when they moved through your fleets, looked like they chose to die rather than deal with you

[@igorgorczynski6339]

So Rebelion in starwars gameplay?

[@OmgPuppies]

Thumbnail has a typo.

[@RamielNagisa]

love deploying fighters in Sins 1

[@JohnWittle]

Figthers

[@huskboy0813]

Now this is my play style in Stellaris lol

[@voxkine9385]

Now do a Vasari, fighter only run. Good luck!

[@meklowthelemur861]

VASARI only have bombers....boy let me tell you how salty my friends get.

[@johnshepard7630]

???

[@Arrow77789]

Nice! Do the same with the Vasari (only Bombers 😂)

[@tauridborn2777]

The AI in this game isn't quite as sharp as the old. Notice how the unfair AI parades its ships through a hostile warzone not once, not twice, but three times, taking massive and unnecessary casualties

[@ansa3252]

Ai is a bit modest. It wants to run away, doesn't want to fight. Stay and lose everything or plow through and lose 1/3? I think AI has the right idea here just running away. It's initial positioning is bad though, which led to these events in the first place.

[@TheDuxbuse]

There is no way that this was on unfair. Unfair would have been battering you from 10min mark. They never attacked you. Also if you gave them that many planets all of them would have had starbases and mega weapons. This felt like normal or easy ai.

[@Dorumin]

Hypothetically, what's the counterplay to this fighterman playstyle? Because I feel like the AI goes for this every single game haha

[@Spartan-ir4zf]

You play TEC, put flack burst on all capital ships, and spam the AA frigates. Basically you just want to fill the combat zone with as much PDC fire as possible.

[@meh7793]

Is there anyway you'd be willing to upload in 4k cause 1080p utube is so blocky in this makes the video so much less punchy than it should be.

[@TheReaper569]

Enemy AI seems rather passive and dull... is it a turtle ai?

[@ansa3252]

AI can roll a turtle behaviour yes. Which is bad for 1v1. Try a massive skirmish 1v9 and you will see how different aggressive AI is.

[@jacks_wasted_talent]

No shot this was unfair AI, by the 1 hour mark they should be already at 2k fleet power and you should've gotten harrased by their 1k fleet at 30min

[@MontuPlays]

well, it was? Don't know what to tell you. The AI definitely behaved in some odd ways though, as you can see in the video

[@jacks_wasted_talent]

@@MontuPlays maybe they did some changes since last month, but right now, unfair AI is really unfair, you can't afford to be too aggressive early game, 20 min in the game and they already have double fleet power anyway, if you ever decide to play this again, i would love to watch a multiplayer game on a huge map, kinda like stellaris

[@MontuPlays]

@@jacks_wasted_talent honestly I think the map also changes the ai behaviour. I find I can easily handle unfair ai on these small 2 player maps. But on the bigger FFA maps, usually I get wrecked

[@DJDocsVideos]

Lot's of Crystal addicts arround these days...

[@ericdekker5768]

AI never attacks, only flee's. They never duke it out. Never say, ok, fuck it. Lets do this. Sins of a solar empire is boring as fuck.... the only ones attacking are players.

[@IIIJG52]

the AI will attack you, if it feels like it can win. If it determines it cant win then it runs away yes. The TEC AI often starts by spamming corvettes, which simply cant deal with strike craft spam at all.

[@laserlynx101]

GG

[@preciousoluwadamiloladunsin]

Can you try this challenge again but with a difference fiction pls❤

[@Aliff_Klg]

Lol. Sova + corvettes with starbase spam would devestate your build. Its the most cheapest Tec build.

[@GoNo117]

You played against the hardest AI right? But it wasn't even a challenge so is the AI not very good?

[@ansa3252]

AI cannot handle massive fighter stacks. Even point defense frigates are useless.

[@IIIJG52]

Unfair is by no means the hardest AI no. Its about 4/6 or 4/7 ?

[@kingminos1993]

Can I send a sweet save file?

[@greedowins]

Please let the devs know their game looks cool, but that price point is a non-starter for me. Aren't they planning on releasing constant DLC? Seems really greedy to ask for $100, and I'm not here for it.

[@aecides3203]

It's £41.99 on Steam right now, which is a pretty average price range for a game (actually on the cheaper end of the £40-£60 most major new releases charge). So either you're talking about a dollar with a conversion rate of of over 2-1 (which I can't think of) or you're somehow getting scammed by a different seller who's hiked the price. Either way, that's not really on the devs.

[@DrakeFaust]

The $100 option includes two DLC expansions, the solo story DLC, 2 mini-DLC content packs, and digital soundtrack. Base price is only $50.

[@greedowins]

@@aecides3203 The $50 "Base Price" (Steam) doesn't include the campaign, all the victory conditions, or all the ships. If you're actually playing just the $50 version, good on you mate, but I can't see anyone actually buying "only" the "base game", since so much is missing.

[@gogeta667]

​@@greedowinsExcept everyone who only got the base game to just play. I can't imagine the campaign is going to be THAT great, and the extra ships are also probably not going to be that worth it.

[@Wotinkermation]

​@@greedowins you get everything in base game . The dlc just add in extra content and maps. This not like

[@oneMeVz]

1:20 "Slog"? This is literally my lazy strat 😅