Fighting Game Ranked Mentalities

[@domdude491]

Worst thing in all ranked is playing for hours and going on a crazy win streak around the end which leads to you being...the same rank as at the start of your session

[@no_nameyouknow]

One reason I actually like the Strive floor system. Your level constantly goes up, win lose or draw, and your "rank" is just what floor you are on.

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

@@no_nameyouknow yeah then you try to get into heaven and you run into a range of players from floor 10 to evo champs. It’s so bad at ten and heaven it just breaks

[@diy-speaker]

@@thesaltmerchant4564 small pepe energy.

[@saxtonnova]

@@no_nameyouknow when your rank gets higher you sart losing more than you get rank*

[@samthemessiah9330]

Man i love being hardstuck in floor 10...🙃🙃

[@PsyShaggy]

Catching yourself mid scrub quote and turning off twitter instead of posting it is the first step to recovery

[@hyphenq]

ME

[@Popirnot]

I fail I post the most scrubiest of scrub quotes on guilty gear subredit

[@Bullgoat]

I do this a lot with comments. Also I hope your doing well :D

[@genejas]

when you end up fighting a beginner, and you do the same knowledge check for a round straight, and at they end they figure out the counter play, that's a great feeling. They're never falling for that one again

[@jordanguelbert7754]

This is 99% what being a kohaku main is like I'm pretty sure

[@solairefan5420]

once I started spamming 5A against a very jumpy Makoto and when I tried to crossup they actually learned to anti-air me.

[@CurlyHairedRogue]

Me: _Proceeds to start doing it again once I forget the very next day._

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

had it happen to me both ways, but the player who was winning previously usually still wins the whole thing, so it still feels pretty bad

[@Crunjer]

One type of mentality is one I actually heard from a friend of mine, its not specificly about fighting games but just ranked as a whole in any game. "You get nothing for playing casual so you might as well play ranked and be rewarded for your time" You could just treat ranked as casual with rewards on top.

[@DEERCRACKERLOVER]

Casual or Rank, as long as the Player is Learning everytime, the time is worth it Most Rank players rarely learn the game and focusing only Muscle Memory

[@matthewdavis6366]

I literally do just this, play it for fun but I get a shiny badge for my efforts.

[@Mage_Nichlas_]

"I could beat Daigo." Sure, if he was on the top tier drugs that you're on for that thought to cross your mind then you got a shot.

[@jeboss2714]

For those who don't know there is an entire book written by Daigo Umehara. It is called "The Will to Keep Winning"

[@007meef6]

top tier content as always Gekko! I've experienced the "wanting to improve" part of fighting games but my mental is not good enough to not care in certain situations lol I try my best to be a good sport and ALWAYS give rematch to people who beat/destroy me so I can try to learn at least something about the character I'm facing. Unless they have a bad connection, in which case I'm sorry buddy I can't stand 5-7 rollback frames

[@Cassapphic]

Yeah I try to play like that and will generally rematch (unless it was that bridget who kept rematching me for like 3 best of 3's and I got tired of facing their playstyle because it was kinda annoying to deal with) but sometimes I'll get tilted, even if it's more often at myself for fucking up an input or not noticing something the opponent did or relying on abd habits.

[@KingDom.mp3]

13:40 As someone who plays to improve and plays ranked, In my experience you never truly drop the fear of losing points. Points just kinda don't matter as much but they aren't worthless. It still sucks to rank down but it hurts a little less cause you can see (or pretend to see) little minor improvements and that counts as mini wins. We're still human, winning feels good, losing sucks it's just that there's another goal beyond the rank.

[@TheTruestZero]

I love "That guy" who after being beaten like 30 times while making excuses, them ONE victory they just bailed out and call you fucking trash for losing once, despite being bodied 30 times.

[@Ramsey276one]

“Oh, he’s still alive… okay bye!” XD

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

yeah... though it's easy to fall into that yourself is a way of consoling yourself

[@Popirnot]

Totally me

[@Zetact_]

With netcode being pretty much won at this point I do believe that fixing up the community aspect is another stepping stone for fighting games. A lot of the issues with mental do come from games that meticulously track your records and flash them on-screen at all times or even just periodically. A lot of players on hearing their W-L ratio either will become desperate to find some gimmick to recover to a level they're comfortable or just not want to play. "But it's not that important" some might say, which is, like, yeah... That's why it isn't really something that needs to be slapped right in front of someone during regular play, having it displayed only really generates a hostile and toxic feel even if they're ones of the player's own creation. And games should do more in their own program that supports community building and learning, not "look up the solution to the knowledge check on a website if you don't want to brute force training mode after every single loss" or "just find a discord server" but like actually provide that kinda stuff in-game. Even something as simple as letting a player give a 'gg' message at the end of a match would help with mental state (some games do have chat or emotes but it's too inconvenient and a lot of players probably wouldn't even see it). A lot of games probably have a way higher dropoff than they could simply because there isn't really much keeping people there unless they know other people who play the game. Even if someone likes the game they might reach the point where they feel they've hit their skill ceiling and anything past that would require way more effort which causes an eventual dropoff since nothing else is keeping them there. The easiest way to get people to have friends who play the game is by building community in the game itself.

[@kinghearts4497]

This. Just this. If Strive didn't flash the "news" and instead showed that chat exists without taking up 80% of the screen I would've been more aware that I could actually talk to people.

[@Cassapphic]

A very small part of this but I much prefer fighting games that say "the other player won" than "you lost because just that slight change in framing reminds you it's another person and focuses on their success rather than your failure, at least assuming they dont have a victory screen you hate which you probably do for that matchup you struggle with.

[@MordredArkwright]

JoJo ASBR is tilting me with this right now lol

[@jimdadude9200]

Bing soy would never say that.

[@Undergamer12]

do not worry he was a false prophet. The real Bing Soy was in uncletopia 360°'ng some young ones

[@blackmailed1072]

In most fighting games I can be really upset after each loss, but Strive I always seek to improve myself. I dunno why but I have a completely different mentality with Strive. I take each moment of loss and analyze what I did wrong in my head & try to counter the habits next time. Success with this varies but I have a really healthy mindset with Strive.

[@UmbreonMessiah]

Gekko, you have honestly made my life better man. I found you completely at random and every single video you've made has made my life as a gamer better. Thank you so much, man!

[@ColorWheelHero]

12:05 Years ago, I almost tripped into that hole. I noticed I was getting aggressive when I'd lose heavily and, at the time, couldn't figure out why. Despite catching on early, my problems didn't just up and vanish, it took awhile for me to fix myself. Those first months of improvement was rocky to say the least, but my drive to learn and fix myself kept me going. Funnily enough, my mindset fixes carried over to other parts of my life too. I'm a much better player, and even person today then I was a few years ago, which is insane to think about. It's quite a thought to think that a quirky little game of yeeting my childhood characters into the abyss would help me out in the long run.

[@leonshirogane5541]

"we are godless monke that evolved too far"- a wiseman indeed

[@Ramsey276one]

1:35 XD

[@Hamisback]

You forgot the smurf/gatekeeper/noob crusher, the guy who purposely go seek out new players & those looking to improve crushes them, and then has the audacity to say "gg no re and no im not going to tell you anything you could do to improve, get good scrub". These are the reason you don'tt find many players actually looking to improve as they've had so many of these interactions they don't think its worst their time if people are going to be like that.

[@Ramsey276one]

They do know how pathetic what they are doing, right? That they deserve getting stomped in the original account later where THEY HAVE TO GIT GUD, right?

[@TrueZawmbee]

Coming from Tekken this problem is worsened by the fact that ranked can put players into lower ranks/skill levels on alternate characters. If you already have high ranked fundamentals there no reason you should be in intermediate ranks imo.

[@DayFul]

That type of player is rampant in SFV, Trying to play casual matches as a silver player is smurf city. Most of the people I play have over 10k matches played and have no business sitting in Silver. I try battle lounge from time to time and it's not much better, I had a platinum Dan player join a couple of times and they just sit there frame trapping me to death. The second time I said fuck it and put my pad down it took them a round and a half to recognise that I wasn't even playing.

[@jhsrt985]

Bruh I love u and proxicon yal are the best new people doing this hand down

[@lemonlord1594]

Ngl, i began to enjoy more of gg strive when i face this test in the park. I mean he beat me up pretty good as i was learning baiken but at the same time, he even change characters for me to get a feel of theie match ups aswell. I barely see him online now on days sadly but this guy is a legend.

[@kindasomeviews]

"Scrubs are the lowest of the low. You probably know someone like this" Yep. DSP, LTG, sometimes SirLionHart

[@Vieyram]

Probably why coaches are so important in sports it is hard to keep a healthy mental on your own when competing. A good coach keeps you balanced.

[@Cassapphic]

Whenever I go for a DP/reversal super on wakeup as much as I want it to land, there's also always that part of me that goes "I hope they respect this because if it happens enough maybe my monkey brain will actually learn how to break the habit of using them to often and thinking of other wakeup options"

[@MLPTechnoColt]

I'm working to improve my mentality, but sadly, I'm definitely a subcategory of "The Scrub." Rather than direct my anger toward my opponents because people who do that are just plain awful, I direct all of my anger toward myself. It ain't healthy, and it's something I've been trying to overcome for a while now. I have good days and bad days, but the bad ones tend to be really bad.

[@underplague6344]

the only time you should tell someone their character is cancer is if they're playing deadpool, in which case you'd be technically correct

[@Juniperjungby]

legit don't believe I wasn't subscribed before

[@tox4850]

Bro, I had the video on fullscreen at 4:51, legit thought my monitor was falling

[@TheTrueCacti]

My fighting game mentality is "Haha grappler go brrr"

[@edwardwilson7459]

My landlord is the legendary AWARE BOT. He knows every match up, knows the options, knows the frames, qnd he uses it to NEVER PLAY DEFENCE EVER. He ungas the bunga and does it amazingly, pulls switch ups that are hard to contemplate and pressures you like a trash compactor. He makes it to high rankings in whatever fighting game hes focusing at the time too. Hes currently celestial in Strive pretty much always

[@gasgasgas4397]

"Basically no luck" DONT FUCK WITH US FAUST MAINS WE RELY ON THE MEATOR TO WIN US GAMES

[@NyukiFrost]

"You're not immune to being a scrub" My guy, it takes way too much energy for me to blame anything but myself. I might as well be immune at this point

[@GrimmShane]

8:25 "They didn't actually lose because .... The Sun was in their eyes" You know, that person was Probably Meursault from L'etranger

[@simoneguadagnucci1515]

He does face the consequences tho

[@GrimmShane]

@@simoneguadagnucci1515 that is true

[@frankaxe6700]

I think I should Look to improve more often thanks bro

[@voidcoupon6930]

Glad we're getting that good neco arc content

[@xavibun]

Treating ranked like it's casual feels so much better to play

[@Ramsey276one]

12:30 [ad break] O_o No KZbin, MANSCAPE is not the answer to THIS! XD

[@absoul112]

12:05 Won't lie, I had to stop playing Strive online because the salt was getting to me while learning Bridget.

[@ryleyallen185]

Bruh I thought you were fucking about the rank mentalities people have, still a banger

[@lunawohlmut4821]

I’d like to think I’m the last type, but I’m more often the random no-thinky bot-like type.

[@nicrules77]

big agree, ranked can be super toxic and can get you in a bad mentality. casual mode/arena can be just as sweaty w/ no points on the line

[@Putlats]

I come in with a “let’s grow” mindset, leave with tilt off the face of the earth because growing is harddddd

[@Jpeg_skeleton]

12:00 yeah I have a friend like that, they just call any game they lose in trash.

[@RagdollArtwork]

I turn into the knowledge checker specifically if the knowledge check works, because 50% of the time it works 100% of the time.

[@albondogus9342]

I think I am the anti-christ “scrub” mentality, not fully “looking to improve” though. I’m always trying to get better and adapt during matches and such. I play loads of ranked, un-ranked, and even have a mutual rival/training partner in each FG I play. I do get into a rage-fueled slump every once in a while, but it never lasts long! A great example of my personal mentality is when I was first getting into strive in its first few months post release. I would always type out on my shitty ps4 controller “gg!” after every match. Eventually I played a match against a player, where, at the end of the match I got bumped up to the next floor. I messaged that guy and said “Good game! I got bumped up before we could have another round.” It was a very wholesome moment between the two of us, and every once in a while we find eachother on the same floor and see how we’ve grown. It’s really fun!

[@Weebabuu]

i never had to catch myself mid scrub quote, all my rage goes towards shit talking myself instead of my opponent

[@skittlz111]

0:45 A wild LTG appears

[@agrihonoberjorn1612]

As long as I’m better than I was yesterday that is progress and I can learn more by getting my ass handed to me than a winning streak feels better to go from getting curb stomped to actually putting up some resistance as well

[@fortythrone369]

Claude debussy's Clair du Lune at the start of this video is just class Praise to the editor

[@Ramsey276one]

6:40 Loved that XD

[@Kinma15]

from lading usually around A ranks now i gotta say it feels like most people ive encountered are looking to improve. some take loses better some take wins worse. Legitamately I feel like the best way to fight off salt is to realize you have off days and also im fighting nothing but unique players so acknowledge them as unique even if weaker. See it as you don't learn much when you win, but when you lose there's plenty of information to soak in and start building new defense and offense and most importantly it shows you how well your utilizing your toolset. I find it awesome to fight a Strong fighter and watch them process the knowlegde checks and counter and actually call that out or throw them off by accidentally disconnecting my controller cause usb c cords die so fast

[@Mimosa717]

9:03 That legitimately took me a second to realize he was talking about money and not weight. British people scare me.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

They make us all a bit nervous. :3

[@jamilicious5937]

The easy way out of a competitive game is me blunderbuss

[@aramondehasashi3324]

0:57 Hey it's me! 😁

[@semantik95]

This is a really great video.

[@dragonmaster3030]

I kinda beat my head into a wall. The way I tend to improve is pretty much facing people higher rank, I may lose 10-20 times in a row but God dammit somethings changing in-between. In fighterz as a saibamen rank I trained casuals with a ssj3 rank, a week later and now I'm demon. Sometimes I've even faced ssj blue players on equal footing. If their was one thing I'd like to change it's not being as defensive, like I'll sit their blocking for like half a match only going offensive the moment I can at least knock you down once.

[@ZiyaB3ast]

Thing about ranked is that is puts you up against someone that is slightly better than you. If you play people waaaaay better than you, you won't learn anything from it. You gotta strive to play people just slightly better than you. Ranked is a really good place to get these matches quickly

[@kingtrashyt]

We try to get better we do exist

[@0rch1d84]

More gekko W’S as always

[@ioriloritori]

Holy moly P4UA footage is this real

[@KamoriAsani]

when i go into non ranked lobbies in ggst, i try my best to play against players above my skill level. I haven't been playing as much as I'd like (only 153 hours) but I have found myself stuck in an infinite loop of getting to floor 10 or getting to celestial just to be thrown back down, and in desperation to get back i keep spamming fights in the floors i got sent down to out of frustration and end up getting sent lower. It's a bad habit, but it's why I've been going to casual lobbies, I lose a lot there, but fighting people in celestial and seeing what they do and how I can incorporate that into my style of play is fun. I like to learn what I'm doing wrong, one of my bigger issues with baiken was my over reliance on her .jS and used to get caught lacking for it, but now I've gotten used to jump canceling 5S or 5K into yozanzen to start combos. Most of my learning has been learning how to apply different moves more effectively.

[@AURTful]

Ayyy "looking to improves" exist, we out here I promise. Every match is a learning opportunity!

[@bwaaFGC]

ive been the Looking to Improve player since i got Guilty Gear, im almost 2 weeks in and i always look for players way above my skill level to learn stuff

[@Ramsey276one]

9:06 O M G XD

[@fiora2822]

yeah i used to have a scrub mentality ngl... then i just kinda stop caring about rank. like just seeing a visible improvement in how i play is fun win or lose

[@SuuBrainrot]

I feel so called out by the knowledge checker lmao My neutral and mechanical skill is pure ass so my gameplan is just centered around cycling various knowledge checks and adapting them based on the opponent You'd be surprised how easily Celestial floor Guilty Gear players don't know various small details about their matchups - and how those can stack up to a loss Please check dustloop everyone!!!

[@SleepyChloeFist]

I'm a Looking to Improve 😭 Playing ranked is torture because most people just wanna win, or are Scrubs...

[@genericbonk]

I'm gonna hate myself for asking it But the song at 7:30 slaps, what's the name of it?

[@BeeLy1011]

MBTL Character Select

[@genericbonk]

Thanks

[@WarriorZ676]

*notices he uses pounds as currency* Oh no Gekko is British, the poor thing

[@SuperBigCheesyTV]

One thing I will say is that one mental im sure that wasn’t mentioned was the one that treats ranked too seriously. I feel like there are players who take it too far when it comes to playing ranked to where they lose out on the enjoyment of casual and they demotivate the environment of what it means to enjoy playing a game

[@F1ng0riginal]

Real talk; I've seen you playing on US East Coast. "Connection was so laggy" is valid when you're crossing regions.

[@jhsrt985]

What's that music😴 at 7:35 ? Sooo familiar

[@kamachuno]

Anti air hit drains my sanity

[@bja808]

In SF6, my highest rank was Gold 5-Stars with Chun Li. This is the highest I’ve ever reached online, and the road to Platinum was close. Unfortunately, I went back to Gold 4-Stars. I kept losing alot because I had so much anxiety that it even affected my gameplay with other much easier characters like Ryu and Cammy. But the biggest issue that caused my anxiety was the SF community. I joined SF groups on Facebook and received alot of negativity. One criticism was my usage of modern controls. Yes, I used modern controls because I got frustrated with classic and decided to go the easy route, don’t judge me. The fact is I felt ostracized by the community and had less support that it affected me so much because of the negativity snd expectations. I’ve taken a break from SF6, but I felt that the negativity really bothered me. Idk if I’ll ever make platinum, let alone back to Gold 5-Stars….

[@the_exxtra1425]

I think of knowledge checks as "gimmicks" since I feel cheeky and just wanna feel like a real ass bully on the internet when I get a chance to do one cheap thing all match It feels like I'm playing with my food and I love it

[@rickkim2809]

As a former league player going to strive i went from scrub to chill imo, simply bc the ranked system is so much less infuriating than league's. I literally said "you're saying if I win a couple matches in a row I rank up?" Damn thats easy as hell and not the mmr fuckfest that is riot games

[@egg.8320]

uploaded on my bday

[@fracture4047]

Do people not have their settings changed immediatly to private? Like I never get any salt at all because of it. It makes improving a while lot easier

[@reeceulf]

11:35 People who insult you in TF2 when you don't melee fight them.

[@philosopherkingzant2037]

I'm a knowledge checker on Slippi If you don't know how to handle float turnip dsmash taunt spam, your stocks will be shiftdeleted

[@BigTruss39]

I’m CRACKED AT LIKE 9 differnt fighting games and I deff vibe check people when I play bc I will steam roll you but I feel mad proud when players learn during the game bc that’s how I learn!! Do it enough you’ll learn the counter play bc charectors are differnt and there’s always a counter pick

[@Ephlaght]

7:30 For a sec I thought that meant abusing OSs in game like safe jumps. Because I abuse the shit out of Nago’s safe jump off of his grab :)

[@harryvpn1462]

0:43 bing soy is looking a lil different

[@erickp3003]

This is why I stopped playing ranked.. but then again, I play +R where there are players with 5,000 to 30,000 total games, so ranked in that game is basically moot. LOL

[@foadmoalem4908]

About the OS abuser, no joke, I make montages on a different yt and the same thing happened while I was getting clips for a bbtag montage, I was playing Aigis/Elizabeth trying for land that sick combo off of Twitter and then the complainant flood gates hath opened: first it was Elizabeth when they played Yu/Adachi, then it was the connection, THEN THE CONTROLLER, *THEN THEY HAD THE BUTTON LAYOUT MESSED WITH* I laughed irl but also died a little

[@Mutekii]

what is that song at 1:00

[@onthedre]

9:00 but character balance is a factor. Is steve not broken in smash?

[@gigaegad9770]

No, he isn't. Not at the level you're probably playing at. If top players can beat top steve players, it's proof that you can beat low-level steve players -- you just have to improve.

[@yourboyzulu]

10:50 - 12:05 is tekken players on ranked match in a nutshell 🤣

[@Shinponn]

Just gotta say before watching the video. I'm a bad adachi main on pc and I feel called out by the thumbnail 🤣

[@RedDragneel]

One mental i always have alot of trouble with is what i call the one trick pony player. Someone who has one option for every common situation and no matter how hardt you punishe them or how many times they wil never ever change it up withs messes with my brain on so many levels. Because im going okay i punished you for wake up buttons 5 times allready ill try a grab this time surely they wont.....he mashed again.

[@Jamal.O]

XD same

[@nathanjoelab]

Let's gooo

[@SirthOsiris]

I feel like at the end of the day, some people just need a fucking hug when they lose. They'll probably feel better to keep playing. Is that important?

[@labdG]

I feel like I'm not exactly represented here. I'm quite new to fighting games and these days I only play SF6. In SF6 I play ranked casually. I don't really do it to improve (although that can be a nice bonus) and I don't care about my rank. I just do it because that way I can easily get matches with people somewhat close to my skill level. Plus the ranked matchmaking is much faster than casual one anyway. xD Maybe this isn't a normal thing to do and perhaps it's even something that only applies to SF6.

[@umbralbushido8636]

ironically most of these mentalities work with other game genres too Especially the scrub _Especially the scrub_

[@OGAntzmo]

How about the one that beats their opponent once and leaves

[@lordimax399]

As someone trying to get good at ggst I am that last one

[@Ramsey276one]

What’s the word on the *HEARTS* censorship? XD

[@Ramsey276one]

0:43

[@Drawfill]

Im definitivly the option select guy lmfao :')

[@blooddumpster3427]

Good video

[@dragonmaster3030]

My main game is Dragonball fighterz, the only other fighting game I do have is mortal Kombat 11, gonna be honest I completely suck at mortal combat though granted I havnt put much time into it. Other games I want to try is guilty gear, BlazBlue, street fighter 6, maybe Tekken(not a huge fan of 3d fighters), most recent king of fighters, SNK heroines(cause that game has like no player base). And lastly dead or alive extreme beach volleyball

[@snootgamenotofficial]

I cant down block. I just cant. People abuse the shit out of lows when they catch my big problem, but Im usually ultra agressive, but I play characters with slow attacks. So I usually abuse 1 of the fastest attacks of my character from time to time to counter their lows. Steal, I get beat up prety hard from time to time

[@mcgee1018]

I have the opposite problem, constantly getting opened up by overheads.

[@molehavecake330]

You forgot the funniest one. The toxic bastard aka me. The type of player who deliberately plays the "wrong" way to make the other player so mad they hand you the win and then massege you afterwards.

[@guy229]

the chad clair de lune