FILM BOYS (a rant)

[@lily_lxndr]

I don’t even necessarily agree with this video anymore, but I’ll leave it up for posterity - it did the rounds at my school and ultimately led to me meeting my my partner! :’)

[@davidmeron4562]

Would love to know how you moved away from this position, if maybe you’ve just become less annoyed by them or maybe found something even like admirable in the kinda dude even with all the jagged edges.

[@mrmoviemanic1]

Ha it's nice to see your old self. People always change and it's cool to see our evolution. Btw I totally get this rant as someone who has done film school too, but I do agree that some of this stuff is a bit first impressions and yer I find people overall just need to chill on everyone's enjoyment of films.

[@queerbinarygendersexualhom8983]

do you still feel the same way about chai sugar?

[@lily_lxndr]

@@queerbinarygendersexualhom8983 Don’t think I’ve had it since!

[@TYsdrawkcaB]

@@lily_lxndr have you tried it again? also it's so nice to see the transition from who you were then to who you are now! i love your videos so, so much.

[@padacuw4722]

I misread the thumbnail as "I hate femboys" and got a bit sad

[@delve_]

Femboys are best boys :3

[@Fireclaw24]

@@delve_ :3

[@zestzonertheoblivious5828]

❤

[@thescauldron8436]

jhjjjhds everytime I hear Quentin Tarantino my brain automatically thinks "ahhh the feet guy" and vice versa. And I'm proud of that sjkdhj.

[@mahrinui18]

Vice versa? You think of Quentin Tarantino every time you think about feet? I am so sorry.

[@nanusantos1696]

Unrelated, but I was somewhat surprised to see a short-haired TransFem, and looking back to your older videos and realizing that's not a choice you made very late into your transition and that you've had it for a long time was super refreshing and cool. You pull it off perfectly and hopefully, I'll be comfortable enough in myself to do the same at some point, i love your style

[@lily_lxndr]

Thank you!! I actually grew my hair out long-ish for a couple years after filming this - those just happened to be the years I wasn’t posting much on here. Cut it short again after that and haven’t looked back :)

[@KatrinaEames]

Lily is just here spilling the tea - the disgusting, chai sugar sweetened, tea. I go to a school that's big for film and the preforming arts and even though I'm an english major I deal with these people all the time! It's so annoying because film boys are required to take an upper level english class and they think it's going to be easy, but then they complain about having to read stories they aren't "interested" in (Think Jane Austen, Charlotte Bronte, really anything by a female author). Every so often I want to point out that literally none of us are interested in seeing their film which consists mostly of a girl in her underwear who despite being in every scene doesn't have any lines.

[@risky_busine55]

Film boys: "girl shit is vapid" also film boys: "Zack Snyder, Wes Anderson, and Tim Burton are auteurs who invented their own film language and say something deeper about human experience"

[@Nightsmith_After_Dark]

I wouldn't say a lot of film boys would include Tim Burton in that list tbh a lot of them would think its too fem if they even knew who Tim Burton was.

[@louderlens]

This was so accurate!! Also my biggest peeve with film bros is them excusing the abusive behavior of directors because to them, the ends justify the means. Among the many other reasons you mentioned.

[@tobe3940]

IKR?! Like, anything I've seen from Tarantino as a person was just HORRIBLE. And these fake "professionals" aka the douche narcissistic misogynistic incel boys trip that fanboying over Tarantino makes them seem like they know anything about filmmaking! And then interestingly, these same bunch of obsessive fanboys of ONLY male directors are almost always homophobic as hell especially towards gay men.

[@GoodAshVibes]

I'm a girly gamer I don't know what a boy is.

[@lily_lxndr]

i think you're better off not knowing

[@roboterror6366]

@@lily_lxndr :(

[@michaelgelunas1113]

@@lily_lxndr Why?

[@joshuawinestock9998]

The real irony is, I'm a bit of a film boy (if I was a film student and not a music one lel) and honestly trying to appreciate a variety of different media that might not have been intended for my demographic or taste is pretty challenging in a very film boy kinda way. Like, I don't think there's anything more avant-garde and edgy than watching Steven Universe and TRYING to like it, and then confronting yourself with the reasons you might be inclined not to like it while forging ahead with the reasons it's objectively good. That should be what wanky art people are all about if they really want to art wank as hard as possible

[@alicemartin3275]

You made me laugh. 😂 Good intent is already the first step out of it. I feel like what helped me out of a ladder-grading mindset is realizing a film can be many thing, not necessarily an perfect artistic representation of the human condition. That's caricatural but that's the idea. Films don't all have the same intent, the same goal... And even when they suck, you can still like them for whatever hidden reason. I don't know if that'll help you, but hey, I wasn't so carefree about art a few years ago.

[@springonion8124]

i don't usually enjoy rants because ugh but this was so entertaining and eloquent and i agree one hundred percent :D i'm sry you have to deal with their bullshit also if you want to make more videos about film school stuff i'd totally watch that

[@lily_lxndr]

aw thanks a bunch! i was worried that i wasn't rly making a case for anything in this it's good to know my frustration came across haha i'm still getting settled and figuring everything out, but would defs want to do more film school-related videos if there's interest!!

[@Shadowhunter82767]

OKAY BUT IM DOING FILM (mostly theory stuff) AS A MAJOR IN UNI FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND ESPECIALLY THE 'MEMENTO' 'FIGHT CLUB' 'TARANTINO' TRIAD IS DISTURBINGLY COMMON IT SEEMS

[@alicewithoutherwonderland2343]

As an engineering student, I really don't see much of this. My art friends are too busy hating things to be passoinate about much of anything, whether its pretentious or not. I know its unrelated, but what really gets me is seeing you much earlier in your transition. I've only just started college a few months ago, and maybe 2 months into really questioning my gender identity. I think you're beautiful as you are now, but seeing this earlier Lily meant a lot to me. I look super similar to what you looked like in this video, and it just gave me hope that maybe I can look like the person I'd like to be someday.

[@thegreen1348]

Oh no not me rewatching your videos over and over while waiting for new ones

[@lily_lxndr]

New one comes out the first week of May!

[@thegreen1348]

@@lily_lxndr thank you for the update, sincerely.

[@Deadsies556]

The whole film bro debate has always struck me as people lashing out against those who shame others for their media choices, by shaming others for their media choices. Not even saying that the idea of the film bro isn’t real, but I think that these debates have just gone on to make people feel bad for liking certain media on both sides of isle. A cyclical cycle of toxic discourse and pretentious minimizing of others interest. I really couldn’t imagine hating on either side for what they watch since we all just enjoy what we enjoy. The only bad actors are those that disparage people for what they like or assume that what they are consuming is above any other form of media consumption. I feel that the need to dismiss the people that like certain movies as film bro comes from an equally viscous impulse that drove that asshole boy to turn away when steven universe was mentioned. Just two sides of the same coin.

[@tobe3940]

You literally and very well described the douche narcissistic boys in every Film school worldwide without even knowing them! Every single thing you said about them, FULLY applies to the ones I've known and holy hell, are they annoying and cringy and SO unpleasant to have around or hear or even see. Well done!

[@GemmaYM]

I get it I get it I get it! I'm studying film too and you just get sooooo many "film boys". I mean, they can like whatever they like, I don't care. But, they just shit-talk whatever doesn't fit into what they define as "good". At first, it was really intimidating, because there were boys who knew how to use industry-standard software and equipment and who had actually been on a film set, yada yada yada. But, when we would sit in class and talk about points and stuff, I could see how close-minded they were and how little they actually knew. There's one guy on my course that said that he hates TV because TV makes you dumb???? Dude, our course is called "Film and TV" also, have you actually watched TV???? It's good, pal! Anyway, great video, I look forward to seeing more, Lily!

[@randombruise]

i want everything you just said tattooed on my back. also i'm in love with you after only 4 minutes and 15 seconds

[@Sentientmatter8]

I once watched my sister tear down a film boy's opinion of Quentin Tarantino and to this day it is the most beautiful thing I have ever witnessed.

[@tobe3940]

However she did it, me and other classmates ALL need it too to apply on the messed up toxic douche boys of the program to make them st*u and let others have a pleasant experience of their learning process instead of being a douche and making eveyone fedup with their constant self-worshipping fake claims.

[@marsmargaret]

this is the biggest truth, honestly,,,,,..... also they all look the same??? white film boys all have the same fashion AND cinema style. bad bad bad. honestly. ALSO a GOOD VID i love you

[@laurasisson9175]

Omg I saw this video years ago and now seeing your new content what an amazing growth.

[@adreaminxy]

10/10 rant. But everyone absolutely should watch nothing but Andrei Tarkovsky ^-^

[@RubyMayCee]

I'm going to start a film course next week and I am NOT looking forward to this. why can't people just enjoy fun tv and films????

[@lily_lxndr]

it's sooo annoying, good thing we can choose not to care what these guys think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@roboterror6366]

I think thats what they're doing O-O

[@cocok.291]

Do film boys know that all media is infact "consumer media"...

[@jukmifggugghposer]

I mean, there’s definitely a distinction to be made there, even if consumer media just means “made for a mass audience” and not-consumer media means “made for a niche audience.” That said, Tarantino and the like are most definitely, by that metric, “consumer media”.

[@rodrigomachado5291]

No it’s not. This is your neoliberal bias which makes you see anything as a product and everyone as mere consumers.

[@kobayashi1194]

As a big movie fan I was a little nervous going into this, but I’m glad that this doesn’t apply to me at all. I see these types of people a little though and they’re obnoxious. Tbh I’ve actually never been into anything by Tarantino or Wes Anderson (except maybe Fantastic Mr Fox).

[@sivgreyson]

i have a really close friend of mine who's a film boy but he's actually great at what he does which. makes. him. extra. pretentiously. annoying. it's just the 'i'm better than you' aspect which gets to me. i'm not in film school atm but he is and that makes him think he's an expert on all things film and i'm the damsel in distress who neeeeeeeds his help on my channel and UGH MAYBE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING REGARDLESS OF YOU HAVING 8 MONTHS IN FILM SCHOOL AND I HAVE 2 YEARS IN KZbin. YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO EXPERIENCES BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND FILM IS SO DIVERSE OH GREAT PROTECTOR OF LE FILM INDUSTRY UGHHH leave me alone but that aside, this video was fun.

[@michaelgelunas1113]

In my humble opinion, I think this idea that you need to see your idealized self represented in media is not a good way to validate yourself & probably does more harm than good. I think ones behavior is something that can be influenced by priming & repetitive consumption of media will certainly do that. If someone isn't confident in themselves internally, then looking for external validation seems like a great way to incorporate traits that run counter to their ultimate well being. We learn through repetition & conditioning which is always happening. If you're looking for validation, you're going to find it & it very well might come w strings attached.

[@lily_lxndr]

Oh to be clear I don’t agree with like, anything I said in this video anymore lol

[@lily_lxndr]

I keep it up because it has sentimental value - I met my partner because of it :)

[@michaelgelunas1113]

I saw somewhere on your channel that you said you privated a bunch of content that you outgrew in some way & I'd have to assume that on other stuff, you saw other reasons why to keep it. This comment was really intended for general discussion purposes. I feel that we live in a time where there are manipulative forces attempting to sway individuals one way or another, and the easiest mark is a person questioning any part of their internal ideal of themselves. I dont think people are the sum of their actions. I'm a person who happens to be blah, blah, blah is more the case than I'm a straight, white, incredibly handsome & articulate male with a huge well that's irrelevant my point is I'm a human who has done actions& those actions do not define me they describe what I've done. Anywho, thanks for approaching my comment in good faith. That is a rare thing in this crazy, crazy world!

[@hamesjargreaves]

Hahaha loved this!! I literally start uni today and have gone in well aware that Film Boys are present and are on my course soooooo i gotta keep an eye out for them ^_^ always look forward to watching your new videos Lilly! Keep up the great work and good luck at College :)

[@Blisterfilms]

Something very interesting to think about. Great commentary on this issue.

[@lily_lxndr]

thanks raphe :>

[@warweasel2832]

Man, this shit makes me realize I have the film taste of a "film boy" (although I don't think I'm "correct", or even knowledgeable about media). I don't know if I should force myself to stop having that opinion, or if that even worse than just being aware of it... This is a real conundrum. I'd honestly like to hear what would be least annoying from an outside perspective

[@thesocialisthedgehog6320]

I don't think there's anything wrong with having these tastes (liking the movies of Wes Anderson, Tarantino, etc.) it only becomes annoying or problematic if you were to try to put down any other directors or styles (particularly feminine and queer perspectives). Closemindedness is what separates a "film boy" from casual fans of the aforementioned directors.

[@maewillow5680]

I have similar experience on my uni. Not with film boys, bc I study music production, so... music boys?? But it works the same - half of my group thinks know everything about music, listen only to old or indie or rock - "true" music (they really call it like that). I have never been in music studio before uni and they act like EVERYBODY know how to use professional software. And mass media? Popular music? My friend calls it "cancer of culture". And I'm the only person on course who cares about charts etc. That's really annoying bc, well, mass culture is often stupid, but can be really enjoyable!

[@alicemartin3275]

Thinking you know everything about music because you know old rock... Lmao. OK even better, thinking you know everything about music. 😂 That's impossible. Good luck with those, I lend you all my patience.

[@hauntedburgerplant]

I just started film school and I love this all so much XD

[@nopizzawithoutpineapple]

Tarantino is among the best modern mainstream Hollywood directors (although I grew tired of him after Django cause everything after that felt like more of the same to me), but, like, you aren't supposed to stop there. It's skillful, but his stuff is easily digestible pop entertainment. There is more gripping dialog, there are more intriguing characters, there is better action, there is more intense tension, there is more hard hitting shock, there is tighter writing, there is deeper engagement with themes, there is more fun to be had and there's less "Hello, I'm Roman Polanski, I'm your friendly neighbor and a filmmaker and there's nothing else notable about me. Thanks for saving my wife, wanna have a beer with me?" Seriously, why does no one talk about how Quentin casually put that pedo fuck in Once Upon a Time without doing anything with him or ar least acknowledging what he did? You just don't put someone like that in your feel good ending

[@tvsonicserbia5140]

Which movies would you point to as being better in the things you mentioned? I'm geniuenly curious. I'd agree with almost all of propositions you wrote, but I still think the very fact you wrote all of those things points to a very unique quality of Tarantino. He tries to embody all of the things he finds important in cinema, almost always within a single film. His cinephilia and knowledge of cinema history is almost unparalleled. The entire history of cinema becomes pretty much palpable when watching his films. The more you learn the more satisfying they become. That's why I think he is so appealing to film students, not just because its funny and witty and shocking. Yes they are very entertaining (well I find Hateful 8, Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction extremely boring entertainment wise, but generally speaking), but I don't see how that makes it easily digestible or shallow.

[@doingitwelldotbiz]

@@tvsonicserbia5140 kinda telling that you breezed past the point about Polanski in order to wax poetic about a so so director. Feel as strongly as you wish about Quentin, but please be aware when you are missing an important point in a critique. I’m not going to disagree about the reasons you have for enjoying his work. Taste is subjective and sublimity is a myth. But, part of the overall problem stated in the video, is that film boys will defend their own, regardless of who else is hurt by their lack of scruples or inclusion in the argument. Like what you like, but be aware that ethics in an industry are very telling of who is being prioritized by it. If you are going to be vocal, six years later, about defending a director who is exceptionally problematic to a loooot of marginalized groups, please expect to engage on that topic. Ignoring it is an exact representation of the problem. You like movies more than you respect the real lives that are affected by influential media. If that’s true, that’s true. But be aware that it’s true and don’t rebut an argument unless you are willing to engage with the entirety of its substance. If that’s not what’s true about you, be aware that many folks will read it as such. No one with that much clout needs to be defended. No one with that much influence will ever know you opened your mouth to offer respects to their legacy. It might make you feel better about being challenged on why certain people are not objectively great. To me, arguments like this make me feel like shit. My existence is justified and invalidated, largely, in the court of public opinion and I don’t have any patience for those who are so hurt that all folks don’t universally worship academic ability. Cultural competence and human empathy are my minimum standards for enjoying media. I won’t die if I don’t consume problematic media. It is a luxurious old privilege to feel that defending a cis het white man with more money than either of us will ever encounter is a worthwhile use of your time and efforts. Particularly when your main point is how many films he knows. Who wrote all those films? Are his movies largely circlejerks to the lasting legacy of patriarchal hegemonic structures promoting the work of just a few people who happen to all have light skin and a cock in their pants? I’d say so. I doubt you’d ever be bold enough to cop to that. Grow up and learn how to value witnessing other people’s perspectives, please.

[@lucybaldwin7423]

i think I'm a film boy.. oh wellll, then again I watch too much GilmoreGirls to be a film boy :)

[@tobe3940]

Well then, Gilmore Girls is your ticket out of that bunch of toxic narcissistic misogynistic incel boys.

[@Natalie17031]

I do media and there's this one guy that I'm friends with, he's super nice but such a bloody filmboy jfc. Like you said, I'm allowed to enjoy things because I want to enjoy them not because they challenge the art form or new media like boy shush. Whiplash is one of my favourite films, but guess what I also really freaking love rom coms. That doesnt mean I'm less qualified to give an opinion on film you little ashgfdhfeliergjgnekkhfguwinvbsm Sorry, think that had been in my system a while haha. This was a great vid and thoroughly entertaining :D

[@lily_lxndr]

yess real talk! i definitely enjoy a mix of the two and there is absolutely nothing wrong w that. we like what we like, and that's cool in itself 👌👌

[@Natalie17031]

+Lily Alexandre exactly 😊👌👌

[@yamicolon7756]

i freaking love your channel so much, aghhhh

[@zoekirk1848]

This was a fuckin romp, you should make more rants here and there

[@unapologeticmoi]

So true. Still looking for female filmmaker on KZbin to watch. Is hard because of how many males they show me

[@tobe3940]

Not so sure if they're "on KZbin" or not but I HIGHLY recommend works of Kim Farrant, Gina Prince-Bythewood, Céline Sciamma and Kathryn Bigelow. Pretty sure there are many more fantastic lady film directors but sadly I haven't managed to find their names yet.

[@sammiesdesk]

Yes, yes, yes . Lily I love you

[@mycool-s1h]

You're not wrong 👍🏻

[@thebanananatribe776]

im so confused the coffee cup is so wide it's like a bowl wHAT -lily

[@lily_lxndr]

i think it's meant for like fancy coffees?? lattes or something. idk man

[@The_Skrongler]

@@lily_lxndr Yeah, pretty much. It's a cappuccino cup. (I learned way too much useless information about cups from my barista course)

[@Goblin_Wizard]

was worried this video was gonna call me out for liking Tarantino.. oh wait it got there ;_;

[@JustJackieeeeee]

Omg this is so true! I'm gonna make a video or something about it because during the summer I had a shitty shitty encounter with a film boy and now I have a thing to call him

[@daylanjones143]

how did you change your voice im clueless

[@ingaragnars4197]

I miss you boo ❤️

[@lily_lxndr]

i miss you like crazy

[@ingaragnars4197]

Gladly ❤️

[@Lucid_Avery]

I think I have been something of a film boy. It's easy to hold up the thing that appeals to your demographic most and see it as the "masterpiece" and the "definitive work". Maybe I'm simply self satisfied with the notion of seeing white men, who I can easily project myself onto, reflected back at me on the screen. I sometimes desire to be that guy. My excuse about lack of representation in their films is that the ideas being expressed may not be exclusive to simply WHAT the characters are, the labels that define them, but WHO the characters are, in their actions and approach to life. I don't know if that's cope or not but I always figured, of a woman who relates to the character of Leonard in Memento, why could she not see herself in him? That Leonard's relatability is gate-kept by the bounds of gender? Personally, I liked to see myself as the character of Jyn Erso in Rogue One, in her frankness and capacity for optimism in the bleak circumstance. Obviously, I don't think I should reject identification with her just because we aren't in the same gendered box. That characters on screen are meant to represent anyone as part of a monolithic social category annoys me.

[@Quinn2]

When every freshman boy in my film class said goodfellas was their favorite movie we watched all semester 🙄

[@roboterror6366]

3:22 i'm gonna spray paint this quote in something i swear

[@goobrey]

noooooo i swear im a guy and im into film, i love wes anderson but i also love avengers movies i cant possibly be this toxic

[@mavisevelyn618]

also a trans girl film major and I do indeed know the type of guys you are talking abt lmao

[@derestwillow1853]

I am a trans women and my favorite movie is The Big Lebowski

[@derestwillow1853]

As a kid I like Indian Jones and back to the future.also all the star trek is my favorite.

[@Jaron]

great video!

[@faeskruff1772]

Chai....sugar... ? Kinda sounds good ,but ive never tried it tbh, vanilla chai latte with soya+honey is yum heh I like ur hair now

[@pappythe1st]

Im a media major and its a problem

[@corpodinchiostro3210]

Thanks (from a Tarkovskij's lover)

[@lily_lxndr]

I’ve actually started to appreciate him since putting this out haha

[@corpodinchiostro3210]

@@lily_lxndr Mirror best film ever imho

[@zachleblanc3476]

Why are videos that this video references unlisted?

[@unamejames]

What director do I need to check out to be more boring and sad? Did you say Andrei Tarkovsky? Studying to be a film boy.

[@MightyEFX]

I usually write my stories in ways that it makes sense for a character to be there and can contribute to the story aswell as making use of the actors that i have at hand, why the fuck would i care about what race gender and what not everyones from when watching a movie though my main inspiration is Quentin Tarantino

[@PetkesPaintings]

“i was an aesthetic KZbinr for FOUR MONTHS” what are you hidiing from is lily?

[@samsimancas4794]

bruh why the fuck is that red cup so massive i hope you still own it tbh

[@benburke3015]

3:07-3:22 Yep, not much as changed since 2016 lol.

[@orlando4934]

aspect ratio

[@lily_lxndr]

i learn from the best

[@starseer73]

you are so cute omg