Film Theory: How Wonder Woman FAILED Us!

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WONDER WOMAN is Amazing for many reasons. It's a Superhero blockbuster starring a woman and directed by a woman, which is long overdue. However, the story is by a man who clearly needs a lesson in storytelling. That's right, Zack Snyder, I'm coming for you. This movie, for all it's spectacle, has some MAJOR logical flaws. I'm talking flaws so basic that the movie's entire story is undeniably impossible as a result. Buckle up, Theorists, we're about to explain why one of 2017's biggest movies defies all reason and logic!
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[@randomdude7386]

Matpat everyone knows they ran into a convienience wormhole that allows them to arrive where the plot needs them to be

[@silascomputer]

Thats right LOL 😂

[@dando541]

Ah it all makes sense now!

[@DendieselGaming]

Or convenience Poseidon moved them along, he does exist in DC after all

[@teakryn6748]

Absolutely correct, lol

[@cliverivett6050]

obvioulsy

[@kenobadogomba376]

"The truth is what you believe" FUCKING UNICORNS ARE COMING EVERYONE STAND DOWN

[@SniperSnake-yz5dz]

thanks for the laugh

[@thewitbew6042]

Stand down?what😂😂

[@FirstNameLastName-zd5rk]

Keno Badogomba these is halarius

[@nickvalentine6243]

HALF LIFE 3 IS COMING OUT EVERYONE WORK OVERTIME SO YOU CAN AFFORD IT!

[@fia_oc]

Oh you bet there coming, you all better prepare yourselves.

[@invalid_username5526]

"That trick is so old..." I kept waiting for the payoff. Got me good, MatPat.

[@littlepeeteir3190]

matpat: "he could have got to the allied ships in London" me: yes fly into allied ships in a Enemy plane and 100% don't get shot down by artillary

[@imashadow699]

OR Run Out Of Fuel... 😅

[@slevinchannel7589]

Well, i have a problem with the Movie. Cause it's objectively bad. Main Character is running on Feminism alone, she has nothing other that charges her Battery. Just feminism - and that's in fact the worst of all characters. She's a hollow vessel for vague ability sets and completly hollow believes, repeating the statement "Truth is what you believe." Only idiots believe that the Truth is what you believe - this is a naive, dumb Mindset, in fact. She's just a badly written character.

[@paulghencea9037]

@@slevinchannel7589 She said The truth is, it's not about deserve, it's What you believe.

[@tekkengod2120]

@@paulghencea9037 WTF does that even mean🤣

[@tekkengod2120]

@Kristopher Leffingwell I did and was disappointed in it tbh , It had an amazing cast but lacked vision.... I recently watched it again to give it another chance but it only made it worse.... Not to mention WW84 was even worse and made me hate one of my favourite childhood hero

[@MrFedoraFilm]

Here's a better Wonder Woman Theory... Where was she during World War 2?

[@Gameorama91]

Hey, there's always the chance for a Wonder Woman 2 lol

[@TheFettuck]

She was probably fighting Cheetah somewhere outside of Europe.

[@nigmosh65]

Gameorama91 In BvS she said that she walked away from civilization 100 yrs ago, meaning she probably gave up and never interfered with the 2nd world war.

[@MySicknezz]

I hope they make some kind of easter egg or something or just one line from her saying something about she been there, I wont like to watch another WW movie in another World War

[@ranwolf1240]

Wonder WOman2 is in the works. though it's supposed to take place during the "Cold War", but that could be anywhere from the late 40s to the early 90s

[@Djiril922]

Huh. They lost me when they both went to sleep at the same time leaving no one to pilot the boat. At that point I just figured a wizard did it.

[@glitchwolf1384]

Given they're taking a boat from an island filled with the chosen of a greek goddess, and there are plenty of magical artifacts on the island, I wouldn't be too surprised. Honestly I expected the boat to be magic, probably teleporting at some point.

[@thelorp5186]

By the power of "Wululu"

[@derpyshark3305]

It was me a flew in on a invisible jet flew in attached it to a boat and flew it to land and gave the jet to her a few years later Yup

[@bigphilip2182]

Yer a wizard Diana !!!!!

[@thenewyoutuber4798]

Currents

[@drowned_rat]

6:35 KZbin:What did you say? What did you say? Matpat: um..... KZbin: *DEMONITIZATION*

[@infernius1368]

You can't forget 11:50

[@AngrySpud-jv9tl]

It was a joke, in subtitles it says fokkers which was a type of plans at the time

[@monika-Chr]

The fokker dr.1 was a german triplane during ww1. But that was funny, good play on words lol.

[@monika-Chr]

AngrySpud3839 yeah the fokker dr.1 was a german triplane during ww1

[@sabusabusabasabasubasubasu8957]

@@monika-Chr stop matpat covers in the video

[@coconoisette]

You never learned about solar-powered self-driving lightspeed amazonian boats?

[@florians9949]

More like lunar powered teleporting amazonian boats.

[@animatedbirdcarcass]

More like convenience plot holes

[@kendybanana3815]

Ah yes those things got one of those in my garage.

[@fwickuuwu]

oh yeah... it's the first boat i learned to sail

[@crookie7656]

Amazon has everything these days

[@Awesome-dr7gk]

MatPat, theres actually a really funny story to why Zack Synder made this mistake. You see, Zack, the writers and Ben Affleck walked into this bar.

[@zathanz0]

Awesome1 10/10 that made my day lol.

[@Ryan-wj5ok]

Awesome1 what is this? An original and funny KZbin comment?

[@lucianoariasduval]

cinamesins would say: 8:52 why are there persians rowing a greek boat? *ping*

[@alipheesefateburnxvi708]

Hah, nice one!

[@dailydoseofvitaminc6565]

Dirty Plumbus that is the joke

[@Joker3384]

Wow. So basically everything about the rest of the movie hinges on the success of the boat ride. That's scarier than the rest of the movie's twists and turns if you ask me.

[@yumaonion1408]

Will 2139 ha

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

Diana is a *Roman* goddess,her Greek counterpart is Artemis.

[@Alonzi.]

TheWitch KingofWolfs. Does that make it better?

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

UrbanRose No,just I had to point that out

[@Alonzi.]

TheWitch KingofWolfs. Also everyone has commented that 😂

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

UrbanRose I haven’t seen one comment that mentions it but I’ll take your word for it.

[@Alonzi.]

TheWitch KingofWolfs. Please scroll through the comments and you will see what I mean

[@nyanblaney]

Zack Snyder movies in a nutshell Here's something nice Now here's that thing in a washed out color pallet LET'S ADD IN SOME EXPLOSIONS HERE'S A SKY BEAM!!!!!! AM I CONNECTING WITH YOU YET?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!

[@tfordham13]

No i don't understand

[@JianCB2]

7:59 Did you just fucking steal a joke from the same video we're watching...

[@just_some_southeast_asian_guy]

Sounds like Michael Bay are you sure it's not Michael Bay

[@lanajane778]

@@JianCB2 umm yeah i'm pretty sure that @Earl Brooks was making a joke. quoting the video. people are allowed to quote the video saying that matpat's joke is funny. stop being rude af

[@JianCB2]

@@lanajane778 There aren't any indications for that, there aren't even any quotation marks.

[@zooarkanimals4606]

I feel like he's that one guy that sometimes sits next to you in the movie theater that's talking throughout the whole movie

[@_aliceme_9225]

I'm that guy 😂

[@garystinten9339]

Zooark Animals Adam ruins everything ring a bell.?

[@joshr6589]

_Alice Me_ same

[@danthelastred]

So Me

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

Saying that doesn't make sense

[@GirlWhoLovesTurtles]

I actually used to think the same thing about the marksman's story line but I had it pointed out to me that his story was actually a lot deeper than I originally thought it was meant to be. The typical way that a story about a marksman with PTSD would normally end would be with the marksman magically getting over his PTSD and saving the day by shooting someone, which I'd argue would just make his PTSD worse if anything. Wonder Woman did an excellent job subverting a lot of typical tropes and Charlie's was really the best because in any other story, he would have gotten to the scene where he's ready to give up and he would have either left only to come back later in some big, dramatic, convenient, and incredibly unbelievably moment, or the others would have convinced him to come along and told him that ha can still shoot if he just tries. Instead of either of those things, Diana encourages him to come with them by suggesting he sing for them along the way, showing that she values something very humanizing about him rather than his ability to kill. Charlies arc could have been better, I won't deny that, but there was certainly an arc to speak of and it wasn't as bad as I've seen people suggest.

[@crimson496]

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH BRAINS GETS IT PIN THIS MATPAT I SWEAR TO ZEUS YOU BETTER PIN IT

[@billydu9934]

Sir Crimson nope. Matthias Patrick is a twat nonce. He only pinned a comment defending him and completely denouncing, condemning opinion and criticism. MATPAT PINNED A COMMENT AGAINST FREE FUCKING SPEECH.

[@crescent_midnight7929]

Anyone else a Greek mythology nerd and got super annoyed when he said Diana was a Greek goddess! No, I’m crazy, Okay!

[@user-xq9di1vv1d]

Issabella Donna im greek and trust me it was painful

[@almarjohnl.delosreyes4542]

She's a roman goddess not Greek

[@tqy8456]

You are crazy

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

Yep

[@CYBER_N0T]

Forgive my shameful knowledge of DC (and Greek mythology, my only qualification to speak on this is some research and reading Percy Jackson), but Ares is in this movie, and he’s a Greek god. Plus, there’s a comic (believe it’s Injustice) where literally every god shows up and they all are Greek gods. Maybe for the sake of the DCEU Diana is a Greek god, because there seem to be very few Roman gods in this franchise. Artemis is Diana’s counterpart, maybe they just didn’t want to call her Artemis

[@arknova7602]

Mat says that Diana is part of Greek mythology: Me, a history geek: Well actually, Diana was a ROMAN GODDESS and Artemis was the Greek version. :p

[@itsamiamia]

Same

[@felop1187]

Roman and greek mythology its literally the SAME

[@arknova7602]

@@felop1187 there is some major differences

[@arknova7602]

@@felop1187 like how Athena aint a war goddess anymore

[@sofiasulca8150]

@@felop1187 yeah get your facts straight

[@mildymorbid]

A few things, first Zack only did the story not the script meaning it likely read something to the effect of Diana leaves Femescura with Steve and make their way back to London where... Secondly it's never stated that it's a Brittish tug boat, it's possible that it was an allied ship that Steve talked into taking them or It's possible he used the phrase tug boat because any ship taking them would've tugged them there and instead of explaining the differences between ships to Diana, a woman who knows practically nothing about the world he used tug boat as its pretty self explanatory. Hope this is thoughtful and not condescending, love your work!

[@RandomStuff-hk3yy]

Maston Dane did you just call it FEMiscura

[@edwardcardona717]

Gotta say, you spelt Themyscira wrong. Also, he never really took the time to oversimplify things later, and most of the time where he realizes how little she knows about the world comes after the boat ride. The allied boat in general thing may work out, but it still may take too much time, considering how slow the tugboat would be going. 14 knots ain't much to go 3300 miles.

[@liteningstrike12]

Well, lets say best case scenario then. What was the fastest boat at the time?

[@bryanzol3040]

Maston Dane Still would've taken time no matter what type of boat it is. Right?

[@bryanzol3040]

In early 1900s

[@DarknessPrevails]

Let me put on my wunderwear.

[@FBIAGENT-uh3zm]

i watch your videos my dude... Damn... More skin walkers pls

[@jazy921]

i'm guessing your comment has to do with the quote on the video that goes "Dress for the job you want" and you want to be a pornstar?

[@corgiluver9368]

Darkness Prevails You CANNOT ruin THIS movie MAAAAAAAAAT it's to good but I'll see it was amazing

[@mrs.potatohead8471]

Darkness Prevails This should be pinned!

[@aresavalos719]

The movie sucks to me

[@mallowjim1107]

6:35 The closest we'll ever hear MatPat swear 😂

[@pbjent]

Yeah, he's so wholesome. Like Farkle Minkus.

[@OliverOnic]

He got me in the first half

[@eastofeden890]

Dang matpat for a minute there I thought you were going to remind everyone that the Amazon's were children of ares and their main concern was war

[@ushaaggarwal8748]

That is true but in the movie context zues is their creator and raised them to avoid war

[@Buterballer]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't they diana's deciples?

[@eastofeden890]

@@Buterballer no I don't think they were but I could be wrong!

[@mirayasingh5614]

@@Buterballer In myths, the Amazons worshipped both Artemis and Ares.

[@RazeldaPeacecraft]

MatPat I hate to say it, Just know i only point this out for love (for the film theories), the main thing that you are forgetting is Themyscira itself. In the comic books Themyscira is called Paradise Island and like it stated in the movie "the island blessed by the Olympian Gods, no man was allowed to physically set foot on it" and what is not stated is that the Island can move to any location on earth (like the island in lost) possibly by Zeus or the Queen.. Using that logic then the island at that time of the plane crash could have been where you said it was. then when the plane crashed into the island it could have moved closer to london and moved again when Diana left to ensure that the location of the island can not be found by outsiders. Zeus knowing that all this needed to happen. I do have to give Gadot Props though she was 5 month pregnant during filling of the movie.

[@arandombard1197]

It doesn't say that in the movie therefore it didn't happen.

[@khalisahnzee6842]

Marken Gamer a planes not a foot bruh

[@alonelyperson6031]

LOGIC/MOVIE MAGIC !!

[@FaithOriginalisme]

1. It's not that no man is capable, but that no man is allowed. 2. The island moves according to its inhabitants' wishes, even moving through time.

[@John-nl6ji]

Steve and his plane were the breaking point of the whole shield in the island. After he crashed, men came after him and discovered it. The scene where Diana saw the plane entering, it looked like it broke an invisible barrier

[@georgequilitz8530]

Here's my theory: What if Ares wanted Diana to get there? What if he wanted her help, like he said when she was trying to kill him? That would explain getting there in one day, and how they were "lucky enough" to get a tugboat!

[@atom104n]

That's honestly a good idea. this comment is sorta under 'liked' cuz this seems like what would have likely happened. But there are still not evidence to help it out, plus if Zeus was trying to make it hidden (to the ancient Greeks anyway) wouldnt he have placed it in a place outside of the areas that the Greeks has been? And if this was the idea, it could be literally anywhere in the seas. Still good theory and thanks for reading. And this is just a COMMENT, A COMMENT THEORY _using an over used joke based on the quote of the video's youtuber_ ! Have a great day :>

[@georgequilitz8530]

Professor Bacon sure, but this is a movie where the antagonist is a god. there's probably magic involved

[@ezestaples9439]

She did not kill Ares she killed Hermes but Hermes is the god of travel and thuggery

[@georgequilitz8530]

...no, Ares killed Hermes, along with all the other gods.

[@Dragiero]

If they made it there by the means of a deity shouldn't the spy have noticed how soon they made it back comparatively to how long it took him to get to Turkey in the first place? Didn't Ares also mention first seeing her in that one room in England? Not sure about that lat one but these are my thoughts

[@opiateutopia]

The original script of the movie had an explanation for the fast travel. They were ment to fly on Steve's plane, because it didn't crash previously. Somewhere along the way writers crashed the plane, replaced it with a boat, and it never crossed their mind again.

[@Ben-mo2mc]

When watching "Wonder Woman" in theaters I was confused when they went from Diana's home to London over night

[@equinox_doe]

MatPat: Her whole name, Diana, is based on the Greek goddess. Me: ExcUSE me sir but Diana is the Roman goddess of the hunt. Artemis is her Greek counter part. (PS no hate, I love the channel, and your videos, I just read too much Percy Jackson) (Edit a y e a r later, hello to the people who corrected my spelling as if that were something important. Also, I am aware that Rick Riordan’s books are only based on mythology, not a completely accurate representation. Despite that, it is accurate enough for me to know that Diana is Roman and Artemis is Greek. Hope y’all are holding up in quarantine, and I recommend the Magnus Chase series if you like Percy Jackson and are looking for something to read. It’s got a wonderful story and wonderful representation).

[@cody7931]

I read all the Percy Jackson AND the hero’s of Olympus

[@anthonyplunkett8264]

FAXS

[@angelocrespo5523]

I read this in matpats teacher voice from kindergarten.

[@hansolav5924]

I would think it was pretty common knowledge that greek and roman gods are pretty much one and the same. greek under a roman label, for the most part. stealing gods were quite stylish back then, I understand. :)

[@-namesupressed-8746]

You: I just read to much Percy Jackson. Me: ExcUSE me but I believe you mean too.

[@NotserpHrrib]

Zeus teleported the boat while the two slept, and when Steve (who at this time is still not entirely convinced on Diana's reality) woke up he resolved that they 'got lucky'. This explanation is actually hinted at in one of the comics as well, through one of Ares' insults that without Zeus, Diana's mission would have inevitably failed. Excellent video as always though MatPat, always love seeing these numbers crunched, no ill will whatsoever, just wanted to bring that little fact to light.

[@oggie_champ2636]

Notserp Zeus is dead in the movie, just wanted to let you know

[@NotserpHrrib]

Oscar Rowley SPOILER ALERT: Zeus is not really dead, they pull the same plot twist in the comics as well.

[@geekarmy5874]

Notserp you're a legend for your comic logic. That's not sarcasm, You've earned geek respects

[@ifyoureadthisyouregay85]

Notserp sorry but not every has watched the movie 35 times

[@creeperave3768]

DailyTop5s literally the only part of the comment that is truly in relation to the movie is the part about Steve thinking they "got lucky" which is also mentioned in this video.... I haven't seen the movie once and I knew that part thanks to this video.... the rest of the comment is comic book lore... seriously, context clues honey...

[@melware1372]

Matpat: And even her real world name Diana is a reference to one of the most famous Greek goddesses. People who read Percy Jackson: okay LISTEN

[@gdkraken]

Bruh people who know the names of greek gods are not only crazy-only-one-series-book-readers

[@maxysnaxy6648]

TheUltimateKraken no they are

[@Emily-cy6ej]

I mean....

[@someone-ru6il]

ayy

[@Garfewloid]

@@gdkraken It's a joke Don't take it so seriously

[@em7pug26]

No one else laughed when he said, “The whole Greasy Area”? Just me? Ok...

[@durandabeast6378]

Made me smile

[@anirudh7225]

*What if Themiscira changes its location every now and then?*

[@Caveboy0]

I think this is the answer

[@theo-pm5ui]

Don't read my profile picture oh shit

[@295nick]

Don't read my profile picture Sounds about right

[@mikezeitgeist2]

or . . . Boats made by magical amazons go faster then ordinary boats.

[@jonahfassano11]

mikezeitgeist2 exactly!

[@tylerwhetstone527]

I love how this channel is about science and its real-world applications and implications, yet most of the comments I've seen have basically been, "But Matpat, what about frickin' MAGIC?!?! You didn't think about that did you! Theory disproved!" No, he didn't think about your silly magic boat, and the *theory* (look up theory if you don't know its real meaning) is not disproved. *muttering to myself* Magic boats...are these people serious?

[@imperial5374]

*Golf Clapping Thank you. I'm glad that at least one person in this never ending sea of comments understands.

[@jedpaneda6459]

bro chill, it's a comic book movie where a whole war ended because of someone's death. lool you sound so mad

[@MrBlast14]

Tyler Whetstone THE WHOLE MOVIE IS ABOUT MAGIC Lmao why is magic such a crazy nonsensical idea in the movie where the main character is literally a God

[@tylerwhetstone527]

jeduhh I'm not mad at all. I understand that it's just a movie and everyone's opinions are valid (to a point). I just thought the comments were humorous.

[@tylerwhetstone527]

Stein Your comment is the kind that I find funny. Yeah, I get that there's a magic lasso and gods and other things, but the fact that everyone is so up in arms about is funny, especially on this channel.

[@sophiachalloner8951]

5:08 diana is her ROMAN name the GREEK goddess is Artemis.

[@austinshultz2157]

Finally, someone else who spends their days geeking out over mythology

[@wendellsawyer4386]

Which is a different movie.

[@Alonzi.]

sophia challoner everyone has commented that

[@amandawaldolol]

Does that mean she needs a bow and arrow instead of a whip?

[@amandawaldolol]

Does that mean she needs a bow and arrow instead of a lasso?

[@protorhinocerator142]

7:08 Steve's not an idiot. He knew he wasn't making it the whole way to London on a tank of gas. Me in 2021 knowing that in the new Wonder Woman 84 movie, Steve spoiler spoiler spoiler a jet aircraft the whole way around the world and back on a tank of gas.

[@christinaify]

Themyscira doesn't have a set location, which is part of the reason why once you leave you can never return. So who knows, when they crossed the fog they might've been spat out into the English Canal.

[@christinaify]

@Alyssa Kazmierczak it is cannon in a few of the comics I've read - granted that was a while ago.

[@terra9393]

or the island always moves betcha dint thinka that didja?

[@jacobrengen]

christina1986ify and they caught ride via tug boat

[@pokegirl1799]

christina1986ify that’s actually really probable but the island must always be moving locations which could technically mean that they could have been spat out ANYWHERE and they could have just gotten REALLY lucky

[@sarahlaporta8570]

@@pokegirl1799 for all we know they could be spit out in Australia.

[@noname1195]

When MatPat uploades a theory and you have to go watch the movie just so you can agree with him

[@agamenmmon7210]

Except for when it's wrong *cough* Rogue one *cough* Force Awakens *cough*

[@oscarneri810]

AH2002Games well that was before the movie was out in theaters

[@mohamedlotfihalila1912]

AH2002Games cough fuck you cough

[@agamenmmon7210]

the great lotfi Real mature, Oscar Neri, he makes other mistakes too; for the Better Call Saul theory, he stated what everyone knew the first episode...

[@bradleywest295]

He made you watch a crappy movie XD

[@enderwolfie8393]

2:28 She actually says "It's not about deserve, it's about what you believe" She didn't say truth, she said deserve

[@tekkengod2120]

WTF is that even supposed to mean.... Care to elaborate, I haven't watched the movie since it's release so I might be missing some context

[@LilacMonarch]

@@tekkengod2120 Ares says something like "humans don't deserve to live" and then WW gives that reply. Basically even if humans deserve to be destroyed after horrible things they've done, she believes they're better than that

[@1_atlas_7]

@@LilacMonarch -Which is pretty funny considering Ares believes the opposite, and if believing is the deciding factor, he’s just as “right” as she is.

[@EllieBenson17]

Whether theories age well or not I love watching them because there was still time and effort and until proven wrong you usually do a great job at convincing me of your theories or if they’re proven correct or blows my mind because it’s all so well done

[@BobbyWolf1]

Imagine being on a boat with Gal Gadot for two months. I wouldn't complain.

[@ryanmckenna7710]

Neither would I my friend neither would I

[@devongene9584]

honestly same

[@ghostwas_here]

imagine being on a boat with mattpat for two months.... i would explode from knowlage.

[@danthelastred]

You would remember he said that there was no food

[@saranshgautam6551]

@Ethan Fleck Would you eat her when you're hungry or prefer to get eaten by her?

[@cgarrand08]

MatPat you forgot that the possibility that they might be mythical ships. The Phaeacians in the Odyssey had ships from the gods that could go anywhere in one day! If that were the case this would be possible. :) QUOTE WIKIPEDIA: The Phaeacians possessed remarkable ships. They were quite different from the penteconters, the ships used during the Trojan War, and they were steered by thought. King Alcinous says that Phaeacians carried Rhadamanthus to Euboea, "which is the furthest of any place" and came back on the same day.[4]

[@alonelyperson6031]

There is a comment battle above about the "mythical" ship

[@FaithOriginalisme]

It's not a magic ship. It's a magic island. Themyscira has the ability to teleport to any location or time period its inhabitants desire.

[@Ariaelyne]

That would be pretty clever, though Snyder should have communicated such a possibility better in the movie.

[@UKisBest]

They use the same teleporter as they use in Game of Thrones. ie its a plot device to stop the film stretching to 4 hours of useless time period where the characters move from one place to another.

[@keima8000]

cgarrand08 steve already said there was a tugboat so no that aint it

[@gmoneyperez2276]

Me: Fokker Teacher:hey no swearing Me: saying a plane is swearing?

[@RyanX830]

According to the old movie ,wonder woman's home was in the devil's triangle

[@imashadow699]

Soo... How's German's OLD Plane Can Get There ,, All The Way From Turkey 😅?

[@depressedgojisaurusrexandc5372]

Bermuda

[@ryanoconnor5773]

This isn't breaking the theory but Diana is Roman mythology, Artemis is the Greek version of Diana

[@shannoncampbell-lair7601]

Thank you thank you myth follower

[@alexismathison8341]

Yeah, but Diana is the Roman form of Artemis and the Greek gods we’re all killed by Ares in the beginning so they chose Diana, the roman goddess that pretty much copies Artemis, who is the leader of the hunt. And if I remember correctly in one of the mythology’s there are a group of people called the amazons which are like the hunt so it is saying that Diana is like Artemis who leads the hunt who is like the Amazons. This is my guess that makes the most sense to me at least

[@jagot1046]

Artemis/Diana is a hunter who uses bows and knifes and is a eternal maiden (virgin) / man hater and sister of Apollo also this is Greek mythology not roman it is Artemis not diana

[@mohammadk79]

Isn't Diana literally the daughter of Zeus?

[@HydragonofDeath]

clap clap clap clap clap so..... wheres the bow ?

[@nonetheyoshi9093]

Thanks MatPat, you helped me with my English exams through your theories, as in, the way you analyse them gives me a template on how to analyse the stories and poems we're given. I've gotten from a level 5 to a level 7 through watching your videos, so I just want to say thank you (So many likes, thanks guys!)

[@mmx123]

NoneThe Less Good Luck with ur GCSEs, they are hell in English to get through, especially cos you are going to sit the new system perhaps

[@nonetheyoshi9093]

mansi xavier thank you, they're the WORST, the new system is ten times harder!!

[@hunterzolomon2713]

NoneThe Less peasant . I got a 9

[@nonetheyoshi9093]

Hunter Zolomon congratulations on getting a level 9, I hope you feel good about yourself calling a slow learner a peasent

[@Vekcrazah]

Hunter Zolomon who cares tho? The point is change, not high scores

[@kelseadirmann3434]

Well if part of the magic that keeps the island hidden is moving the island around the Mediterranean, then it could've let them start much closer to the Atlantic. Also Zeus has vested interest, so it's possible that he intervened.

[@geniusgamer3840]

When you said "Greece-y" at 5:11 you put me so off kilter that every time you said Greece I interpreted it as grease for the rest of the episode. Dang it, MatPat.

[@mengl29]

Diana is a Roman Goddess, the goddess of the moon and hunting. She is the equivalent Greek goddess Artemis. Diana wasn't a greek goddess xD I suppose since the Romans technically copied the Greek gods, Diana is essentially artemis, but still the statement made towards the beginning of the video is inaccurate. By the way Mat keep up the good work, love your vids, just thought I would leave some 'constructive criticism ' to correct the slight error made in the vid.

[@simongray731]

in this case i think he means Diana as in wonder woman, cause that's her real name. It's just coincidence that WW shares the name with the roman goddess

[@mengl29]

I only mentioned this because between the middle and beginning of the video, he said that her name was shared by a famous Greek goddess. However, I see where you are coming from. Thx for the feedback

[@simongray731]

oooh sorry my bad

[@mengl29]

no need to apologise :D, you are still right :D

[@mengl29]

besides its a very small part of the video it is easy to miss :D

[@Croecho]

1) Themyscira isn't in a static location. This is hard to understand - but it exists wherever the Gods want it to exist. 2) Movie obviously does a bad job of telling us, since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes. Poseidon would simply crack his knuckles and change the seas for her. And no. Ares did not kill Poseidon (as much as Hippolyta would like us to believe that).

[@stop_it7460]

At the beginning it says that Ares killed Poseidon in the DCEU, not in other universes.

[@aaespeccaectralclesclesapp1284]

Makes sense. Mat is possibly right when it comes to science and of the sort. But he didn't include Greek Mythology which totally changes everything. Of course Im not sure if it mentions stuff like that though. :/ Also your quote Croecho "since they start off with "The Gods are Dead," but Diana, like other Demi-Gods, has the favor of the Gods wherever she goes." " It makes no sense, the gods are dead yet she gets help by the gods. What does that mean? She has the powers of such?

[@Hrsh868]

Me: * sees the title * Also me: i already knew that, because its DC!!! BADUMCHING!!!

[@fatfatima5307]

WWII exist Wonder woman: igh just gonna head out

[@fanqiejiang1749]

The thing is...the island appears randomly in random places

[@imashadow699]

But The German's Plane *Will Not Change* As Far As That Plane Can Go, Is Italy... (IF The Island Is Not In Somewhere Near Turkey, *Then The Plane Will NEVER Crash There...* Sooo Yeah, Unless The Island Is Moving More Faster Than A Jet..... Which Is Impossible..... It's Still No Use 😅)

[@irrevenant8724]

@@imashadow699 From memory in the comics the island pretty much just magically teleported from place to place. So it's theoretically possible - especially if you assume whatever force moves the island wanted Diana to succeed. But if that's the case the film *really* should have at least mentioned briefly that the island had this capability...

[@zacharygilmore1075]

The movie didn’t establish that, though.

[@generalcodsworth4417]

So literal teleporting deus ex machina saved the movie, great!

[@dinamosflams]

One of the places seems to be in mediterranean climate of near London, as It seems

[@JCReive]

I thought Themyscira is never in one location it was how they stayed hidden from Ares also why Diana may never find her way back home. although the pacing of the movie was off like i felt they cover a vast amount of ground on foot with like no time passing, the film could of used some more transitions to make it feel as time passed. also maybe magic boat?

[@tompatterson1548]

its the crimean peninsula, the actor is slavic

[@Ponera-Sama]

Even if the island wasn't in the pinpointed coordinates, Steve did started his flight in Turkey, and that puts enough distance for both the plane and the boat.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

See my comment. You don't need a magic boat when you have a magic island...

[@Ponera-Sama]

So the island can teleport in an instant and take them exactly to the point they need?

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Ponera Grimoire Apparently not, otherwise they wouldn't need to sail overnight. However, it's possible that it periodically changes location (as part of the enchantment making it difficult to find) and was closer to London when they left it. Diana's mother warns her that if she leaves the island she may never return. This could be an Amazonian rule of law or she could be referring to how difficult it would be to find it again...

[@JasperPino]

It has bin 3 years and I finally get the joke at the beginning

[@cosmiccomics270x5]

Dear Matpat it is stated in the comics that amazons are master craftsmen so you could argue the are using some enchanted perfect boat but idk

[@tiffanyangelia8590]

Well I think Diana got shipped by a ship from Amazon Yes bad Joke BUllY ME AS MUCH AS U WANT!

[@thecrystalunicorn1946]

:/

[@hypermundane4330]

Decent joke

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

Pretty Awesome... Amazon Prime (Diana) *does* guarantee overnight shipping.

[@mjdavis8657]

There should be a theory on Mr. Krabs's wife from Spongebob

[@mjdavis8657]

Pastel Witch, I mean a theory on how a crab and an unknown mother can have a whale for a daughter.

[@soulreaperkid8127]

Maiah Davis Adoption

[@PapaGohn]

YYYEEEESSS

[@wonderwoman851]

Maiah Davis yes

[@blissyay3382]

didn't the creator of spongebob debunk the crab meat theory?

[@StoneSailsSculpture]

Swords only weigh a few pounds. A seven foot claymore (and this is huge, even for a claymore, biggest of antiquity actually) comes in at 22 lbs. There's no way diana's sword weighs more then 10ish lbs. Plus, silk is one of the strongest natural fibers and is 2.5 to 5x's stronger then steel. So yeah, it can be done

[@Netherdan]

5:48 excuse me MatPat but what the Wright brothers flew was a GLIDER. Santos Dumont flew the first PLANE ever. You can't catapult something a few meters off the ground and call it a "plane", it needs to be self propelled!

[@chipgaming3300]

Not even gonna touch on the fact that Doctor Poison was an ancestor of the Joker and the gas she planned to release was a beta version of Joker's gas. In one of the ending scenes we can see that when Doctor Poison's mask falls off and what looks like a joker smile. The first laughing gas was used in 1799 but wasn't used anytime in world war one. The director of wonder-woman herself describes her as someone "who has had all kinds of damage in her life". Mental diseases have been known to be hereditary; and that's most likely what Patty Jenkins meant when she said that. Since this movie is revealed to be a backstory, this could definitely be a relative to joker. Jack Napier is the jokers real name. Napier is a Scottish name. For a small amount of time there was an immigration from Scotland to Spain. Doctor poison is Spanish and could potentially be from Spanish and Scottish descent. The name was also very popular in New York, which is where Scottish and Irish Immigrants landed and stayed. Jokers fist name being jack is obviously an american name. My theory is that doctor poison's mom moved from scotland to spain and had two kids. One being poison and the other being a second child. This second child moved to america and married someone. The mental insanity transferred from The mom to her two daughters

[@CazRaX]

Jack Napier is an alias, he has used many of them over the years and Jack Napier has actually never shown up completely in print only in the Tim Burton movie.

[@Sup-rh4eu]

Chip Gaming Imahine if it truely was like joker gas and you just saw people laughing like crazy and you see a woman with really red hait whos uneffected POISON IVY HAS REACHED US!!!!!!

[@gavinleibert220]

Chip Gaming from spanish

[@castle9165]

Chip Gaming I think doctor poison was hired by America because that’s kinda their thing

[@melinavalenzuela5897]

BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY

[@JonnyDarcko]

The whole Greece thing isn't much to go on for location. The people of Themyscira are reincarnated souls of women who were killed by men and created by Hippolyta and Antiope. After Ares tried to take over the island and after Hercules and Hippolyta defeated Ares, the Amazonian people DECIDED to base their island on Greece culture when they rebuilt. They adopted Greece culture, they weren't created into it. Greeks were actually enemy's of the Amazonian's. All lot happened with Hercules, who went mad and took over the Amazon island and forced the Amazons to leave their home. The remaining amazons found a new home in what we call the Bermuda triangle. This island became the new Themyscira and guarded by the magic sphere to protect it from new attackers. After that the original Themyscira gets destroyed. This Wonder Women movie takes place at the NEW Themyscira and can be easily found somewhere in the Bermuda. So they literally live next to the USA, weird right? But this doesnt help much since the closest the Burmuda is to England is 5,472 km. They are still screwed. Just saying.

[@alexalexandroy7509]

Actually in the Original plot its somewhere between the Aegean dude

[@alexalexandroy7509]

the new thymyscyra isnt in Bermuda either but somewhere in MEDITERRANEAN obviously

[@beesgold1487]

Mej

[@turbonerdo6838]

This film’s mythology is so loosely based on Greek mythology that you really can’t use actual Greek mythology as evidence. For Christ sake, Ares killed all the immortal gods for some reason. And let’s not forget that Ares is an utter, 100 percent bad guy, despite none of the actual gods being "bad", and the only actual villains were the titans.

[@donbaysa9528]

Just a question, isn't Hercules Roman? Isn't Hercales the Greek alternative?

[@monkeyman3648]

matpat is unique cause 1 he makes fun of things without offending anyone and 2 he entertains me with education and that is hard to do something like that

[@jeom3808]

This is my favorite kind of theory, the kind who’s subject is some unexpected and almost comedically absurd thing that is also oddly mundane and as so is used for fun factoids and important details of the real world and how it works. And because it’s almost laughably silly and absurd, you can enjoy the theory without feeling like the movie/game/series in question or the message of it is ruined.

[@notwh9497]

But wolverine was in World War One Oh wait wrong universe

[@nicholasrichard6847]

CaptianCupcakez!! :D you saw the hishe, I bet. (Shout out to hishe, or how it should have ended, great channel.)

[@CanIgetsubswithoutvideos-is6gd]

XD

[@valemadre69]

nicholas R. He was also in the June Rebellion

[@TheLGNDAslan]

Hi Matt Can You Please Explain Me How Did Wonderwoman Got Her Sword 'Godkiller' Back As Long As I Remember Her Sword Was Destroyed By Aries In "WONDERWOMAN" Movie And In "BatmanVSuperman" She Had That Sword. Thanks For Reading

[@wigiiman]

She doesn't use the Godkiller in BvS... it's a different sword.

[@sabbathjackal]

Syed Shaf Ahmmed her sword is not the god killer, She is. Its just a regular sword

[@mikehop849]

Syed Shaf Ahmmed Zeus probably reconstructed it somehow because he's the main god of Greek mythology and he can do anything apparently or her mother hippolyta or something like that or Gaia or someone

[@mikehop849]

Syed Shaf Ahmmed oh right he did die

[@seanblack1320]

It's a different sword. If you look at the hilt in BVS it doesn't have the snake design on it.

[@megandaley9263]

2:57 I just watched 2 cinema sin vids. You two are my favorite movie channels. Yes your vids ruin my childhood but I love them

[@josephreber43]

"The truth is that it's not about what they 'deserve'. It's about what you believe..." Slight misquotation, MatPat.

[@irrevenant8724]

*Major* misquotation. The whole point was that Diana faced the truth that mankind was warlike and flawed and in response chose to believe that we could be better than that if given a chance. She wasn't saying anything even close to "truth is what you believe". Cinema Sins is notoriously bad for missing the point. If you ever find yourself making the same point as them, it's worth giving it a closer look and trying to figure out what you may have missed.

[@1_atlas_7]

@@irrevenant8724 -True, but I think matpat’s and cinemasins’ point was that the theme in general sucked, they didn’t care how it was worded. And I’d have to agree, while on the surface that statement holds a lot of meaning and sounds really powerful, it’s really not. That statement only applies to “good” guys. If belief is the key factor, which it is Diana, then Ares is just as justified if he believes humans are bad.

[@irrevenant8724]

@@1_atlas_7 Arguably, sure. Is it unrealistic to hope that things can be better and fight for that? Is it more realistic to see the darkness and give into it? Maybe. And maybe not. It's a matter of what principles you choose to live your life by. That's the point. Ares believes humanity is bad and deserve to be destroyed. Diana believes humanity can be better and are worth trying to save. Either of them could be right - maybe both are. Of the two, Diana's path is the only one that could potentially end up with a better world rather than a worse one. Especially as she's willing to fight for it. Do you believe the future can be changed and work towards that? Or do you give up before you begin? You can equally justify either.

[@1_atlas_7]

@@irrevenant8724 -Yeah, definitely understandable and a little optimism is always good.

[@likesjasminetea]

Awesome theory. Just a little correction though, you are talking about Turkey in the video while it should of been the Ottoman Empire as Turkey as a country was established after WW1 :) (also the flag is a bit different)

[@elbozo5723]

oof

[@shadithakis]

Yea that was really annoying

[@ghostwas_here]

dangit you beat me to it! sorry it's just my dada is turkish and hes constanly rambling on about history /_\

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

@@ghostwas_here Maybe you should express yourself more respectful

[@cookiefaceyt2002]

THANK YOU

[@DCanimecomics]

Mat I love your vids but in the comics it is even told that The island of themyscira is never in the same place for the reason of never being found and always shifts out of reality that is why when wonder woman leaves she takes years to ever go back because of the magic that is used to protect the island from the outside world it's even said that Hera was the one to put protective spells in order for exile amazons to never return which Wonder Woman becomes when she leaves with Steve so it could be that when they sailed out of the protective barrier they were a lot closer to London due to the island its self trying to help her Ik it sounds like reaching quite a bit but the movie uses comic book logic which usual mean there is always an explanation for what happens that doesn't seem to make sense in real life I mean the island exists out of time and "space" due to magic yet Steve finds it one time and no man ever finds it again -_- soooo

[@LTDoge-dm3jr]

Jordan Garcia brooo.... The island appearing and disappearing randomly makes the whole thing even MORE confusing. How sure are we that they spawned near London? Plus, no matter how good a navigator steve is, navigating their exact location, direction, and where to go for the allied ships is going to be IMPOSSIBLE. Navigating the direction theyre heading based on the night sky assuming that they had a clear sky wont do much since all theyd know is where north south west and east are but thats it. Unless the boat had the magical property of Jack Sparrow's compass then and only then MAYBE just MAYBE they'd get there. Good point though. But it makes it all the more confusing hahahaha.

[@michaeliv284]

Did they mention that in the movie?

[@Kain128]

We haven't seen that as canon yet in the movie timeline, and we haven't even seen the invisible jet, and we're not sure those will be explained yet, but good theory

[@konnokyo]

psst. comics is not movieverse... else they could have flown in diana's invisible jet. Dude. soooo

[@abhiramnair3699]

Jordan Garcia thymescira is like summer home for jla..go watch animation too

[@rigidpixil]

3:55 Mat, I’m pretty sure he failed more than just geography in school

[@marcoottina654]

10:55 The fastest wind-fueled boat (which travels at top speed of 121km/h) would make the trip lasting 2 whole days, but they ship in just one night, i.e. 8 hours (just rounding), i.e. 1/3 of a day i.e. 1/6 of that "fastest trip". So, basically, that boat would have constantly travelled at 121*6 = 726 km/h . O.O That's HUGE.

[@rae5938]

What I don't get about this movie is that the movie revolves around Greek Mythology, and yet her name is Roman. The goddess Diana is a Roman God and her name in Greek is Artemis, so how come she is called Diana?

[@aaronmiles3963]

Does this really matter for the theory?

[@TheRedAether]

ariana.shelton7649 its kinda like how apollo and helios get confused with from time to time

[@Shanethefilmmaker]

Because she was named Diana in the comics. That being said it's no surprise if certain Greek characters both real, myth and fictional at any given time period would have Roman names. Considering the Greeks themselves have intermingled with Romans in the past both in real life and in fiction. Take for example Appolonia of the first Godfather movie. When they first described her to her father they mentioned she seemed more Greek than Italian. So if a half Greek half Italian could live in Sicily then it wouldn't be a surprise if Diana of Themyscira had Roman blood or if Hippolyta just liked the name.

[@Verebazs]

If you want to get that much into it, the Amazons weren't even Greek. Not in mythology, not in real life. Mythology puts their origins either in Lybia, or in present-day Ukraine. The Scythian women whom the Greeks most likely based the Amazons upon lived in the latter area. This is just another case of pop-culture diluting and mixing things together.

[@axelayalajimenez5324]

ariana.shelton7649 i have a question for you, which name sounds better? Diana does, shes a character BASED on the goddess artemis, they mustve thought it would be funny to give her, her Roman name just for fun, who knows? Sure the name is wrong but its based on artemis, how do i know? What names do they use for the other gods? Ares, zeus, and the others which are all the greek version because if it were to be Roman, Ares wouldve been called Mars

[@KillikisTheHungerer]

The people in the comments saying about how Diana could have sailed faster to the warzone because of her relation to Poseidon being her uncle made her sail faster, or some god/goddess helping her sail faster are all wrong. 1) During the course of the movie, it is said several times that all of the Olympians fought in a war against Ares that got them all killed. Except for Ares. And don't say the whole, "gods can't die, they're immortal" bullshit as Ares himself says that only a god can kill a god, and that Master of War slaughtered the entire Greek pantheon single-handedly, making the idea that Uncle Poseidon helped Diana along in her journey not possible. 2) Just because Diana is related to Poseidon, doesn't make her share the same powers. That typically would be the case with direct descendants of gods but not nephew/uncle relations. That would be the equivalent of saying that Diana can just bring Steve Trevor back from the dead because her other uncle was Hades, the King of the Underworld, or even bring back the Amazons that died in the First Encounter with the Germans. Please watch the damn movie before launching into speculations based off of only opinion and no film knowledge.

[@alfonso75217]

Jackson Gray thank you

[@liendren]

i was pretty sure that themyscira is another dimension, in the comics its "a place you cant get to unless you already know how to get there" as in you can scour the entire earth and not find it. sounds like another dimension to me so i dont see any reason they cant enter our dimension at any point on the globe.... but the movie is a different "universe" and the "caught a ride" line kind of implies steve navigated which might ruin that explanation.

[@Zsil33]

Yeah also I thought that if there was some godly power making it faster, wouldn't Steve have noticed? Surely he knows he can't sail from Greece to London in a day

[@LividSky]

Finally,someone with some sense.

[@cOmAtOrAn]

Amazons were given gifts by the gods when they were created, so that they could be better diplomats. We know that, because Diana tells us so when what's-his-bucket questions her ability to speak in any language. I don't think it's much of a stretch to suppose that the gods also gave them magic boats so that they could get to conflicts-in-the-making before they became, you know, actual military conflicts.

[@angelandhoudini1036]

Okay, this isn't a hate comment but you got a very small thing wrong. Diana is the Roman goddess, not Greek. The Greek one is Artemis. ( Sorry, I'm a huge fan of Greek mythology )

[@leonidasnicholas6269]

Same I'm also a huge fan of Greek mythology who is your favourite god

[@muddyerbbine6254]

but I mean, didn't the romans just absorb and change the Greek gods once it took over Greece?

[@garytaylor3880]

@@muddyerbbine6254 that's irrelevant and still doesn't change the point. Two different pantheons of gods and two different cultures. Rome copied elements of Greek religion but still added their own flavor. There are minor differences.

[@user-wt4fm7gf1f]

As a real life greek I can confirm

[@leeisaliveinmyheart8790]

Muddy Erbbine that’s irreverent

[@Blais3]

Greek empire??? Greece never had an empire but city states, what you are referring to is Macedon empire from Alexander the Great conquest, which fell apart after Alexander died

[@LaurenTheorist]

MatPat, what about Poseidon? Maybe he helped them out!

[@wiebelstaart2858]

Poseidon is a bitch. Just ask Odysseus.

[@marcgarcia9445]

Lauren Anderson Poseidon is dead

[@metal1diamond446]

Ares killed all the gods

[@lloydadalberto676]

Is in a prision of America, Morty!

[@finalbossbowser]

That could have happened. It totally makes sense. However, the movie doesn't mention help from Poseidon or any other sea god. It would have been really easy too. Steve: "I'm not complaining, but how'd we get here so fast?" Wonder Woman: "I prayed to several sea gods to speed us on our way." Steve: "Neat."

[@rubyadkins9375]

HOLY SHIT YES. I'm gonna be honesty Mat Pat, it's been hard to sit through a lot of your videos recently, but this type of video (sticking to pure numbers and facts with no opinions) is my favorite from your channels. Please try to keep this up, I want another golden age of the theory channels

[@noryleehodges1683]

this may sound like a complaint but trust me it's not your videos have made me not just watch tv shows/movies but study them and a lot of them make sense (some of them don't because I don't get things sometimes) channels like yours make me laugh and make me try to make sense of some of the shows I watch. keep up the great work

[@betoallen8354]

I love your videos matpat. Says no clickbait at the beginning then shows a map of the Alexander conquest most of which was not ethnically Greek. And would not have Greek architecture.

[@ChurchoftheLatterDayShrek]

if there's one thing I've learned from superhero films, is that if your name is Steve, never ever go on a plane

[@TheRealQuickSilver]

More people need to like this. This made me laugh so hard.

[@DannoFilms]

To be honest, I could care less if anything in your videos might be wrong (Even though personally I agree with nearly all of your videos). I'm just here to watch really interesting videos that over-analyze movies, games and TV shows we love because it's entertaining and puts your brain to work. MatPat isn't a supergenius, he's a theorist. Nobody should be able to tear him, or anyone down because there opinion differs from someone's own. Ignore the hate MatPat, 5 million people would have to disagree with them. ;)

[@swoopwhoop6026]

Hail Giratina The true god These videos are interesting and entertaining but if we're fed false information, the value of the video goes through the floor. We're also here to learn about our favourite games or movies, false information doesn't help that. Not sure about his video yet, haven't watched it yet.

[@pokemonpwnmaster123]

could i say one thing? why does his videos have to be correct? It's a theory after all, you either accept it or you dont, heck it's a fictional movie so it wont happen in real life you may even add, again it's for fun. most of the time theories arent even accurate so if youre convinced then you agree with the theory if not then you dont case close

[@xboxaddictboys]

well lets be fair. The film/game theorists is all about how to use science and facts to explain something a game/movie presents to us. This is not supposed to be his opinion, it is supposed to be factual so if his videos are "wrong" as you say, what is the point in watching them? The reason some people "tear him... down" is because he is objectively wrong, not subjectively.

[@Lv5Zubes]

While I agree about not putting down people for their opinions, the people were pointing out facts he got wrong which irritated those viewers. They weren't doing that because they didn't like his opinion.

[@pokemonpwnmaster123]

why do you assume his fan base is little kids? I am a long time fan and see most of "criticism" as hate, because it's literally just calling him names and making fun of him instead of pointing out what is wrong with the theories or research.

[@steelytemplar]

Magic can be a bit of a cop-out as an explanation sometimes, but I think that it is justified here. Themsycira is clearly a magical island and we don't know all of its properties. We are shown that it is obscured by a magical fog, but there could very well be much more about it which could explain how they arrived in England so quickly. For example, there could be some form of space-warping property which allows the island to have entrance and exit points at varying places around the world. Since such a thing isn't stated, this is entirely speculation, but I could see there being a mystical exit point in, for example, the English Channel. Also of note is that Steve wouldn't need to meet an Allied ship. The Allies had been keeping forces in Thessaloniki in Greece since 1915 and he probably could have landed in that area. It doesn't really change the theory, but it is an interesting side note.

[@the-outsider8458]

Did you ever do a theory about the guy running on water in your intro? Just curious, love the channel guys, much appreciate all you guys do

[@OjamaIndigo]

Matpat are you ok because you honestly sound sick of this stuff. I understand though, people hate on you so much it's unreasonable. Hope you feel better buddy. I love your work and you're extremely inspirational. Never stop and don't listen to what those jerks say. I care about you buddy.

[@nashidragneelhashonor1274]

X naM ageM Reversed 😃 i liked ur comment

[@OjamaIndigo]

Nashi Dragneel has Honor thanks!

[@TRW1_0]

Take this like

[@scriptextender]

X naM ageM Reversed yeah them jerks just jealous because they dumb

[@Elmithian]

X naM ageM Reversed Maybe he is overwhelmed by the amount, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of the criticism is correct. I am just guessing that most humans have hard time mentally handling the negative feedback since our cynical minds tends to focus on the negative first.

[@kenobadogomba376]

When MatPat bashes your favourite superhero movies, but you love MatPat more.... you're fine

[@mikeshogunlee]

I don't know........... Mat did smack talk Andromeda that one time...... SHUT UP I LOVED THAT GAME, *AND YOU ALL KILLED IT!!!!*

[@toxicrain23]

Keno Badogomba or you could break his theory with the same thing that breaks almost all of the film theories magic. Magic island that is magically cloaked I don't know and maybe magically moves so perhaps it can't be tracked on a map.

[@TheMetaright]

When did he bash the movie? Surely you don't believe any criticism automatically constitutes bashing, right?

[@shakesylla1909]

Keno Badogomba I never watched the movie I cud but I didnt

[@Tselel]

That whole romantic relationship was really unnecessary though imo.

[@freshandtrue9939]

Issue with Wonder Woman was how easy the guy infiltrated the enemy's base. Could use more evil villain generals instead of only the commander and the poison girl. Overall a good movie though.

[@michaeliv284]

The biggest issue was Diana had no arc. She just jumped to "it is Ares" over and over

[@RiseLoki2771]

Great video, buuuuuuut, when you mentioned that her backstory was intertwined with Greek mythology then you used a picture of Hercules, however, Hercules is a ROMAN version of the Greek hero Heracles.

[@austinshultz2157]

but on that note, Disney is going to rule all TV including DC and they already matched Hercules with Zeus, I mean that's like saying Heracles was the son of Jupiter. I guess they are preparing for the inevitable *tHaNoS SnAp*

[@Takaiiro]

Okay. Normally don't comment, I watch, I enjoy, I debate with friends. But, since I recently realised I don't have any friends and have low grade schizophrenia, here's what me's have come up with. Magical island. The Amazonian's state to Diana that once she leaves Themyscira she can never return. But why? What's stopping them remembering the general landmarks nearby and doing what the Germans did and just sail right on back? Or using technology in the future to locate Themyscira? It's simple; Themyscira isn't a fixed location. The island itself moves. Sure, Steve crash lands there after using his fuel to get away from Turkey and is pursued by Germans, but then he stays there for a while so the Amazonian's can decide what to do with him. During this time, it is fully possible the island has moved close enough to London for them to hitch the ride they need to be relevant to the plot. This also closes the hole of Diana never being able to return, because let's face it. Wayne would be able to find a fixed location shrouded in fog with no problem thanks to his satellites if Diana couldn't through the 1900's.

[@ladylynn9972]

si10 that's actually a really good theory, damn.

[@littlekuribohimposte]

Your logic is "It's magic, we don't have to explain it." That's stil impossible. Convoys of ships went from the United States and Portugal to Great Britain, so it could not have been in the Atlantic. And if it wasn't in a convoy route, German U-Bats were literally everywhere and would notice a new island, which would have been radioed in, and caught by intercepting code-breakers. Meaning, at best, they were by the coast of North Africa, which proves MatPat's theory of them not having enough time.

[@theonethathungers5552]

si10 nice theory, but is it canon?

[@zacharia4061]

but if it was moving anything more then 2 miles and hour it would be noticed and it wasnt moving that sweet 60 miles and hour for it to maybe work

[@maxwelljohnson6185]

Wow, didn't think of that. 10/10 underrated criticism.

[@anon_duck5497]

Lol I'm starting to think Wonder Woman might make it if she just swam.

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

While she sees Sonic.

[@luckymandragoran8471]

When the Wright Bros flew the first plane, pilots didnt exist. I have often wondered if a trained pilot might be able to keep that first plane in air longer than they did. The craft clearly had the ability to stay in the air given its size and distance travelled. They didnt have the reactions or practice in flying so who knows... I dont know what powered the thrust for that machine but it could be that they could have flown way further if they knew how to fly

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

It's a good thing that she can open up her heart despite "evolving beyond that."😄😄 It is true it was overall meh, but it's heart warming and has a decent way of portraying that humanity isn't all bad. I like your criticism though.😊😊

[@cillianbrouder]

Maybe it was a magic Amazonian boat?

[@NobleVI_343]

Cillian Brouder I think it's because Themysceria is an alternate realm- similar to Olympus- it isn't of earth- and the wall of glass they went through is like the bifrost- it's a gateway, and the boat can be pre-navigated to fit the user's will- it is magical after all. Themysceria- even in comics- was never a physical place on earth. It was a realm. So what Pat is saying- is debunked, IF Themysceria is not of earth, and only if. Because when they went through the portal- it didn't always take them to the same place every time.

[@yiminglow9881]

Yeah using the Magic plot devices that is not going to work

[@NobleVI_343]

Yi Ming Low we're talking about comics here, bro- their physics are hardly ever realistic

[@commenter5716]

Or she had help from Poseiden

[@dannyprasil6623]

Cillian Brouder that's what I thought or it telported them there

[@evanma6198]

Congrats matpat you started a vid with an actual joke not a pun

[@jojocortes2285]

awesome KZbinr Ma I didn't get it

[@Kulilin420]

jojo cortes he did a rule of 3's joke

[@TylerMarsh43]

jojo cortes that trick is so old, can also mean that girl/woman is so old

[@springtraplemon9363]

jojo cortes i dint get it either

[@alissaswan5060]

jojo me neither

[@cosmicriptid]

Fabulous deduction Matt, except for one teeny tiny flaw. Themiscyra is a MAGIC Island. It's geography isn't in any one fixed place. It is wherever it needs to be. Which most of the time, yes, is in the Mediterranean. If it needed to be a few hours from Londen however, it could be. Not to mention, the boat is also magic. It wasn't an oversight that no one was piloting it, it takes an Amazon wherever they need to go. So even if Themiscyra was stuck in the Mediterranean, the magic boat alone could have got there in time

[@cosmicriptid]

Yes this does leave a plothole of how Steve wasn't surpised or worried, but he probably saw England and thought what the heck guess it was a magic boat and tries to hide how strange it is to him

[@royal.secret6719]

Hi Matpat I’m new to your Chanel and I love it❤️ and I just wanted to add my own tiny theory that u may have missed. What if Zeus had interfered and sent the yuh boat for Steve and Diana with Steve sayin “we got lucky” and later in the movie before Aries was killed he said his fathers name. Both childrens of a deity on blessed and the other punished.

[@yeetyeet1146]

What if her uncle (Poseidon) helps her? Like he the cool uncle. EXPOSED Jk, Diana is actually related to Moana. XD

[@yeetyeet1146]

DcComicsNRD boi, I forgot about that.

[@TR1GR4MPR0DUCT10N5]

Actually, Diana is a Roman godess, so, Neptune is the name you should be using. Oh, and fuck DC.

[@LovelyLala]

Diana is a Roman goddess but she's the daughter of Zeus and was named Diana by her human mother. She's not the goddess of the moon and ijn this universe Aries killed the original gods.

[@luizavazquez7029]

DcComicsNRD you can't kill a god. They're immortal according to actual Greek mythology

[@LovelyLala]

You're an idiot and not a real dc fan. It's cannon to the movie and universe of wonder woman, and in mythology Zeus killed his fasther cronos and multiple gods die but only typically gods, demi gods or hero's with the blessing of a god can kill another god. In wonder woman it is revealed that the god killer is not the sword that Diana stole from the Amazon's upon leaving but rather her, daughter of Zeus, for only another god can kill a god in his own words. In the legend of Aries and the Amazon's Aries killed the other gods and Zeus created the Amazon's and gave them Diana. You sold.

[@claireelyse5992]

but maybe it was magic- maybe the gods were working in their favor, but I guess that doesn't explain it because Steve isn't surprised at how fast they a arrived. and who knows, maybe themiscyra is in a wierd magic almost wormhole like thing

[@aaronmathew7810]

Claireness Punkster that’s what I was thinking

[@newt3786]

Claireness Punkster ahh Hermes (or Kronos) always speeding things up

[@philipn83]

I was thinking the same, but you are 100% right. Steve should've been surprised at the sudden change of location.

[@Zutraxi]

spoiler: All the gods are dead except Aries and as we later find out Diana. (at least that is what the "mother" and the other amazons say)

[@him_That_is_me]

Claireness Punkster not to mention that by DCU canon (if this train wreck of a plot is indeed canon) the entire Greek pantheon is dead.

[@ultra3068]

"Your miss independent or at least ya try your first story is you running off with a guy!"

[@allyvandergaast8746]

There's nothing wrong with a woman having a relationship with a man. She can be strong and independent and still have a loving mutually respectful relationship with a male member of the human race.

[@ultra3068]

@@allyvandergaast8746 ...

[@allyvandergaast8746]

@@ultra3068 May I ask what ..... Means all I was just trying to say that a someone can have a relationship and still be there own person. Besides no one ever tells a man that they can't have a relationship with a woman and still be independent. I don't see any reason why it would be different the other way around.

[@ultra3068]

@@allyvandergaast8746 Dearest, Ally. I regret to inform you that this is a quote from ERB. Not to be interpreted as a anti-feminist comment but a hit at Wonderwoman herself. This is not to be determined as a relationship problem with a gender difference but a reference for Wonderwoman fans and, ERB fans. Best regards, ULTRA P.S. The "...." on your comment on my comment was you leaving a feminist gender equality comment 7 months later.

[@allyvandergaast8746]

@@ultra3068 I wasn't trying to be feminist this time nor was I advocating for gender equality. I just didn't understand. Your probably right in the end no one is wholly their own but perhaps a relationships make us better maybe they make us something more than the whole of our parts. By the way I like your username does it mean anything?

[@adamdiner]

Triremes were highly maneuverable and relied more on rowing power than the actual sail. They were more at the mercy of the sea rather than the of the wind.

[@cybertronian9909]

Maybe the island had an enchantment so that those leaving would get where they want to go after passing through the bubble. The gods are dead, but obviously magical enchantments still exist (the bubble concealing Themyscira). In addition, the island shifting position would explain how nobody found it after so long.

[@in4mal_baker270]

yeah i was thinking that it would kinda be like nonexistent in the real world and it would basically be able to go any where on earth so when you leave you can go where you need to

[@theomiossec1482]

If I don't mistaken, it's the same thing in the comics.

[@jerQCote]

Cybertronian that'd be very similar to Calypso's island from the mythology

[@cybertronian9909]

SuperPunMaster It's just my theory. A FILM THEORY! It's just a plausible theory that could explain the timeline of the movie, it's not necessarily true.

[@arianna9425]

I like this idea a lot, but if Steve's crash range was still about the same, how quickly would the island have to 'shift' to actually get them near enough to England, not including geographical luck (to an extent) and the amount of weather disturbances that could cause (which you could chalk up to magic as well, I suppose, since there's literally a magical bubble) as the island would literally be leaving a vortex of air disturbances and water as the island dissapears or shifts or whatever it does. At best (as in, best for humanity's future) it'd maybe create some large waves or a whirlpool with the water. I'm not sure though. The wording's kinda important. I never read the comic, just watched the animated film when I was a kid, so I'm not sure whether Théo's comment was referring to 'shifting' or 'teleportation' as how it went down in the comic, but that would definitely effect how the movie turned out. Also, even with the idea of teleportation, unless we're going by the 'geographical will' theory comment the chances that they'd teleport close enough to England are slim, and if the island was shifting it'd have to be moving pretty fast since it's, well, a giant island and water resistance is still a thing. Idk there's a lot of holes in this, but I think this is my favorite counter-theory in the comments yet. Perhaps if we went off the idea of geographic will (so if they just exited the magical bubble and appeared at a magical coordinate or at a coordinate they consciously or subconsciously willed the magic to drop them off at) this would certainly be a plausible idea, though probably not the right one. So please add on your ideas!! And off topic from this idea, I'm pretty sure in the animated version the gods were Roman, and Diana is the roman goddess of the hunt as well as being greek I'm pretty sure. Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I'm running solely off of caffeine as I've been pulling all-nighters for school and really don't have the brain power to cross-reference the animation/comic/movie/mythology.

[@sammeyDay]

Themyscira is a constantly moving island. Which would explain why it's so hard or impossible for Diana to ever return to the island. The island wouldn't be in the same place it was when she left. Could the islands "mythical" movement (during Steve's capture and interrogation) put Diana closer to London at the time they left sailing? Therefore cutting travel time considerably. I'm really curious about this.

[@loveandpeace6903]

yes but if it were closer to London Steve's plane wouldn't have made it to Themyscira

[@letitswissarmy]

could it have maybe moved closer to london ? idk i'm still w matpat but tryna give the benefit of the doubt

[@christopherfriday5569]

Doesn't change the fact that the plane would have to land near Themyscria 'somewhere' near Turkey. And from the video we see that the plane landed right on the very brim and edge of its zone of flight. That was the best possible outcuome.

[@letitswissarmy]

Christopher Friday no, like, he landed on the island when he did while the island was by turkey and it moved super close to london

[@letitswissarmy]

Christopher Friday *after he got on it - because "it knew" or because of fate/destiny or magic or something idk

[@fazalahmed6337]

Plot Twist: Aquaman saved Bruce Wayne in Dark Knight Rises. Aquaman dragged Clark to the shore during the explosion in Man of Steel. Aquaman pushed the boat so the movie can end in time. He knew if he hadn't done that, we would've been watching Cannibal Woman instead of Wonder Woman.