Film Theory: Is Thor STRONGER Than The Hulk? (Thor: Ragnarok)

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THOR: RAGNAROK is hitting theaters, giving us another epic Marvel movie that features our favorite heroes: The Avengers. This means The Hulk and Thor will yet again be featured in the same movie, giving us another chance to watch in awe as they enact astounding feats of strength. So far, Marvel hasn’t given a straight answer as to which one of these ultra-powerful heroes has the most brawn, even though they’ve gone head-to-head multiple times in the movies and comics. But that ends today, Loyal Theorists! With the power of math, science, and research, I will reveal which Avenger is strongest!
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[@katievogt3036]

6:50 I DIED!!! (My fat cats name is Gandalf, we tried to put him on a diet but in revenge he pooped on our pillows)

[@TheTheorizer]

BWHAAHAHAH ha

[@TheTheorizer]

im a stoopidity

[@NoU-jc4kq]

me and my pets HAHA COUGH COUGH HAHAHAHAA

[@Bodge18]

When you're pinned and still only get 9 likes

[@DekuOfPower]

YOU! SHALL NOT! LIFT!

[@haadnaqvi1323]

...Did you just compare Hulk's max deadlift to Thor's grip crush?

[@suckle]

thats the same thing i was thinking. add in the Hulk is trying to kill everyone and thor is trying not to hurt him

[@vincentcascio4756]

These 2 right here know what’s up

[@juganous2267]

yeah thats what i was going to say so im just going to up vote yours

[@MadMrCrazy]

Haad Naqvi it's probably worth pointing out as well that a max amount of force needed to crush a gauntlet isn't necessarily the amount of force used.

[@martincarranza114]

Thank you!! I was thinking the same thing lol hope he gets to see your comment!

[@AnoNYmous-bz2ef]

1:39 "Who would win in a fight?" Stan Lee is still right though. He wasn't asked who is stronger, just who would win a fight.

[@rwoosh2447]

Ano N. Ymous 2:12

[@marshyhmr7766]

The video is about who is physically stronger, dummy

[@dif4797]

@@marshyhmr7766 The comment is about Stan Lee dummy

[@twhiteofrd_1102]

This is what I was about to comment

[@sangkim6556]

@@rwoosh2447 matpat said Stan Lee was wrong, but mat was talking about pure strength, while Stan was talking about who would win in a fight

[@ainzulgone492]

He compared arm and leg strength without thinking about the fact, that the legs are several times stronger than the arms. With this, Thor's grip strength gets easily bigger than Hulk's leg strength.

[@denisdaily6055]

12:21

[@itachi4634]

10:45

[@temper1287]

10:45

[@gojirarex5138]

@@temper1287 why are you saying time

[@stealthven2352]

it‘s two times but yes

[@TheRagdollrejects]

So hulks entire body strength can output marginally more force than Thor’s hand... I’m not sure that proves the point.

[@temper1287]

10:45

[@CrimpyDip]

@@temper1287 Didn't have his powers, just a regular man, plus even if it wasn't because of that, the ground has more mass than the ship. *facepalm

[@zacharycarrier2890]

@@CrimpyDip right? Like does matpat even watch the movies lol

[@axellindolsson1020]

@@CrimpyDip mjolnir is not the source of his powers dude

[@gyohoho2878]

@@axellindolsson1020 Odin took away his powers until he was worthy dude

[@chrisgarciacallies4490]

Hulk: *deadlifts 3768000 pounds* Thor: *applies almost the same amount of force with his fingers*

[@daanvanrijn4117]

Exactly, Hulk used his legs, arms, feet, and torso. He's no match for the mighty Thor.

[@fabiocamahco155]

Either way thor beats hulk in ragnarok without his hammer

[@RoronoaZoro-rx5hd]

No you are rong

[@user-ju5rt6ph1o]

@@fabiocamahco155 Technically, Thor was about to completely decimate Hulk without his hammer, but then got screwed over by the thing on his neck, but our point still stands. Plus the while comparing thors finger strength with hulks deadlift. Deadlift=entire body fingers=fingers

[@minyu613]

Also that comic which Thor says you know I could never beat you. Read it. Thor wins.

[@asianpersuasian3758]

I want a redo on this theory. You know since you compared deadlifting to grip strength...

[@explosivedolphinz8710]

7 w 7 in marvel agents of shield (the TV show tied with the story of the MCU) hulk left a giant fist sized indent in a pure vibranium wall. That was with one hand. Demolished the iron grip feat entirely

[@Jader_OnWii]

Yeah ik matpat compared hulks MAX RAGE deadlift to Thor’s single hand grip strength like wtf

[@excccx2154]

Explosive Dolphinz which episode

[@chubswubsbubs6311]

How do they make vibranium things if vibranium is so hard to bend and cut

[@Jader_OnWii]

Benjamin Rigdeway they cut vibranium with vibranium like how you have to cut diamond with diamond

[@codeorangefilms3674]

Matpat: Who is physically stronger, not who would win in a fight. So let's look at their fights and who's won more.

[@Helloiamraymond]

I just have a problem with MatPat saying because Hulk is physically stronger that means Stan Lee has to be wrong.

[@PapaBear_Gaming]

@@Helloiamraymond as many folks mentioned, he's also comparing different types of muscles and saying the strengths compare across perfectly

[@floop1108]

I just realises that at 10:20 MatPat shows a list of people who are worthy of lifting Thor's hammer, and Steve Rogers is on it (followed by "maybe"). Well that aged well.

[@fantazticcapsfan5208]

Bruh

[@whatever.3442]

thor vs hulk thor : beats hulk hulk : u cant do anything without hammer thor : u cant do anything without gamma

[@geekyluna1909]

he is still one of the leading scientists...

[@extremealier4143]

Wrong (Thor's hammer is basically an equipment and gamma is something that Made hulk. There's a difference)

[@christinapalanca246]

True that is so true

[@extremealier4143]

@Jivantronic what difference does it make?

[@itz_ya_boi_isaiah331]

@Jivantronic it is like a split personality for him once he gets angry hulk takes over

[@adriannoris]

"Thor can wield Mjolnir while nobody else can" 2019 me : Pfft.

[@draytonmoore5644]

I know everybody can wield the thing ( captain America, hella , vision )

[@ramonnapolano6308]

Drayton Moore Hella technically wasn't able to lift it. she stopped it in his flying path and shattered it

[@kosakukawajiri16]

First my Friend: •Vision isn’t technically a human •Hela didn’t lift Mjlnor , she stopped it in its path

[@DrHeavenly]

@@dmstudioX keep in mind hela can't be worthy anymore after odin's rules for the hammer

[@jcanimations92]

Odin died.....so no enchantment

[@adogwhoapparentlyknowshowt4391]

Literally comparing hulk using every muscle in his body to lift the hammer vs Thor's hand

[@charlesdarwin1564]

@@temper1287 he was a regular person at that point

[@mattgilliam]

You should redo this theory now that we have some moments in endgame to help show some true potential of thor's strength. Like when he restarted the neutron star forge of Nidavellir. I think that it would be cool to look at the physics of this scene to see just how strong you'd have to be to even come close to this feat of strength.

[@dragoontime]

Would be a cool video, but come on hulk stomps.

[@vatsalsrivastav5195]

@@dragoontime not MCU Hulk. In comics Hulk is a beast but in MCU Hulk is very very weak.

[@TheAarongauntt]

That awkward moment when you compare grip strength to deadlift strength and assume it's the same thing

[@Tech-cy9yo]

fax lmao

[@joshrichey72]

That awkward moment when you forget he talked about Thor trying to dead lift the hammer and the ground did not budge.... Also if it wasn't for "Sparkle Fingers" Thor would have lost the fight in Ragnarock. Just saying.

[@zacariasnelson5753]

That awkward moment when you forget Thor got his powers taken away because he was unworthy throughout, like, half of the movie so he was just another schmuck trying to pick it up without his super strength because it wasn't there because it was taken away. By Odin. In the beginning of the movie. The whole point of the movie

[@elmoisacocainaddict557]

Joshua Richey those are his powers stupid hulk gets angry Thor has thunder

[@emilio_who]

Tru

[@samjohnson4165]

10:47 the reason that Thor’s feet didn’t sink in to the ground is because when he was banished to Earth he lost his powers and strength which is also why he had a harder time beating up the guards to get to Mjølnir

[@MAC-jn3fd]

Sam Johnson Did sink or didn’t

[@The_Deztro]

Yeah but hulk was also mortal so yeah

[@captainobvious7441]

@@The_Deztro yes the Hulk is mortal but he still has strength the normal person couldn't dream of having meanwhile when thor was trying to get to mjolnir he was stripped of all his power making him just some dude you'd see walking down the street

[@zmawells]

The Destro As they said in the video, and in the movie, Thor -and the rest of the Asgardians- are intact mortals, with just a higher lifespan. We are talking about Thor with his abilities. But they were completely stripped when deemed unworthy.

[@samjohnson4165]

@TheTwistedTempo Thanks, I meant to say didn’t 👍🏻

[@Grandflea02]

I can deadlift more weight than eddie hall can exhert through gripping. Thus, I am stronger than him.

[@temper1287]

10:45

[@devibruin9061]

@@temper1287 he didn’t have his powers in that scene

[@jimmilton0765]

3:37 he said that to make a bluff to hulk who was possessed by an asgardian which made him more stronger than he regularly is and literally blasted him into space saying "DID YOU NOW"

[@typeouetco1626]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bluff, he really just wanted to throw this line

[@Cbev1994]

No infinity war spoilers but we may need to redo this discussion now lol Thor really flexed this time around

[@mega_jamzzz]

Cbev1994 yea this theory really needs to be redone (spoilers) because hulk got destroyed by thanos

[@MentalAsEver]

Aaaaand Thor has a super cool new hammer :/

[@8911145533]

aaaaaand Banner even admits that Veronica was enough to kick the shit out of the Hulk (aka the green asshole)

[@Gummi-zx6kf]

ikr

[@jaisontaliaferro1571]

I luv hulk, but he pissed me off with his scared ass in infinity war

[@FireMikeMC]

Well when Thor Crushes Iron mans Suit, Thor doesn't even break a sweat. Compared to Hulk, who where really pushing himself..

[@vincentschwass49]

Wait that's true

[@grqfes]

and thats thors non dominant hand grip crushing vs full body muscle deadlifting

[@pjdianalan7934]

@@vincentschwass49 yes.

[@ThePatrioticScotsman]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@jacobjean5656]

Hulk can do the same thing why do you think iron man made the hulk buster and he was only pushing himself because it literally won't move an inch of unworthy.

[@jjjlove2260]

Hulk was always one of my top favorite marvel superheroes ever since I was a kid. I was really disappointed to see that the MCU didn't make more use of him considering that he's such an immensely powerful force.

[@joshuahunt3032]

8:33 Either Jarvis is understating the power overload slightly because he uses a British voice setting, or because that extra 75% doesn’t need to be stated when a 400% charge exists already.

[@joaquincordova8508]

You need to consider the fact that Hulk had his whole body to use, not only his feet, as you move the leg muscles as well when trying to lift something properly.Thor only used SOME hand muscles, but mainly the thumb, which operates separately from the arm when squeezing . I dont know you, but to me, the ratio of strength to size of muscle is in Thor's favour.

[@cieliona]

That's what I was thinking. To add on, if Thor's hand can deal almost the same amount of strength as Hulk's entire body, then wouldn't Thor technically be stronger? Because, as you stated, he only used some of his hand muscles

[@qwopandminecraft]

Also he used his left hand which he doesn't even wield his hammer in hardly ever. Thor is seemingly right handed but dealt the damage with his left hand.

[@carryoutgull5822]

I completely agree with this. Also, im surprised mat didnt notice this, i mean it is fairly obvious near the end of this video. Surely he should of made the link when he was researching and creating the script but what do i know.

[@greenmax360]

the point of the comment isnt necesairily to prove him wrong, no one is arguing the research he did. The point of these videos, as he has mentioned before, is to get people thinking. So people discussing a flaw in some of his evidence, or something he just happened to overlook, is what he is wanting.

[@willis936]

Jacob Benjudah It's fine to try but I don't like the authoritative tone of the conclusions. Any proper person of science is careful in what they say.

[@dragonic22]

Film Theory: Even WITH the hammer, Hulk can beat Thor Thor: Hold my Stormbreaker

[@starlightseason1462]

General Tozen Haha move aside Mjolnir, Stormbreaker is in the house!

[@4.4anthonyseeraj66]

Storm braker does not have the curse oden put on it Because oden is dead when it was made

[@dragonic22]

Anthony Seeraj I’m not following...

[@4.4anthonyseeraj66]

@@dragonic22 oden put the curse or rule on milnier but the rule or curse was not put on storm braker just saying didn't mean anything by it

[@witherthegamer9718]

@@4.4anthonyseeraj66 bro nobody needs your help your Grammer sucks

[@dexterjohn6816]

Mat pat:Hulk is stronger Infinity war: I gonna put some dirt in ur eye....

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

I'll pretty sure my legs output more force than my hands.

[@sleepykunderkat8660]

I feel like matpat should come back and redo this vid after infinity wars and especially because comparing a deadlift and a grip strength are 2 extremely different muscle groups

[@adamhubbard606]

Thor was about to win in Thor Ragnarok without mjölnir

[@fast.food.ninjalarry954]

This is about the strongest not the best warrior !!!

[@Mustmustik]

And hulk wasn’t even that angry

[@miraclemittens1099]

That was because of lightning, not strenght

[@brysondeardorff8872]

Either way Thor is stronger

[@spideyshady4739]

@@Mustmustik How can he not be angry when thor did a lightning punch into his face

[@cathiaaskew1106]

It made me sad when I heard Stan from that interview. :(

[@nedgalac7583]

I don't think MatPat compared the 2 correctly. When the topic of strongest Avenger rolls around I think what they mean is who has more destructive force behind their attacks, not who can lift more. Those 2 things are completely different. Just because I can lift 60 tons it doesn't mean I can punch with that force.

[@ericr2617]

But that was only Thor's grip strength with his off hand. Hulk was doing a full on dead lift. That means that Thor has about 700,000 LBS of strength less than Hulk using ONLY his left hand compared to Hulk who was using his whole body. Thor's grip strength is almost as strong as the Hulk's max dead lift. Thor is way stronger

[@markkavanagh9635]

I noticed that too... seems like a simple oversight by MatPat

[@ronakvanaff3131]

I agree as well, dead lift vs manly handshake grip seems obvious who's the winner

[@donaob4145]

This is really just the same thing everyone else is saying.....

[@Prophet173]

Came here to say this

[@timothyisidro569]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[@Theskafan]

You proved hulk's max PR for deadlift is Thor's firmest handshake.

[@lillevi444]

JAGER MAIN thats what I was thinking 😂

[@RiccardoF]

My foot can strike harder than my hand

[@stanbroadman8348]

He did scale in the side of the hand vs the size of hulk i believe as it was a test of strength not power.

[@gjjk84]

riccardovamos so an Thor's.

[@firempire229]

Kollector that's exactly what I thought

[@spectrability4217]

at one point in the comics, hulk punched time itself and shook the multiverse with a clap

[@DarthViperious]

Yes Mat, Stan Lee was wrong about his own creations. You truly understood that deadlifting and grip strength are the same thing.

[@ThirstyEdits]

nah

[@Vorchitect]

Okay, so, the math you did that Hulk was stronger was based on Hulk crushing the floor vs. Thor crushing Stark's gauntlet. Obviously, Hulk was giving it as much effort as possible, but you can clearly see that Thor crushed the arm with ease. You can't use that as evidence. EDIT: Also, the muscle groups were way different. Hulk was lifting with his legs and back, while Thor was just using his hand. Obviously, the legs and back are WAY stronger than the hands. Matt's argument is incredibly flawed.

[@empy0615]

Vorchitect that's where I was going to go

[@Helvedear]

Backwards thinking. You clearly see Thor angry faced, teeth out and all crushing his arms like he’s out to crush him while hulk is focusing on using his upper body strength to lift the hammer and his feet end up sinking into the floor. Plus it’s flat out a sign when feet end up pulling off more of a strength feet than someone’s arm strength.

[@2Kscoo]

Vorchitect but don't you have to consider what the gauntlet is made out of as well and he compares it to that because Thor does not really do anything better then that to compare strengths in the movies

[@EnderSpy007]

Exactly. Also, Hulk essentially did a deadlift, which uses the absolute stongest parts of the body to lift something. Thor was using a squeeze, which is far less powerful and is much more delicate. Even if they were both trying as hard as possible, it still would be an entirely unfair comparison.

[@naor200990]

I agree it's not the fairest comparison but the amount the Hulk used with his foot is a bit larger than Thor's, he said Hulk's power is *per foot* which means he used more than twice the power than Thor. It doesn't mean he's stronger for certain but it's a pretty good evidence to back up the theory, in my opinion

[@oppositeofbatman]

Actually when Thor lifted Jörmungandur the whole earth shook and the snake is actually holding the earth together so it doesn’t fall apart. In the same story he also fought an old lady who was actually pure old age but Thor only fell on one knee when the woman grabbed him. That means that not even age can destroy him, Thor is literally too strong for time.

[@starlightseason1462]

Satan it’s just a mixture of both mortal and immortal I guess =_=|||

[@sneakpeakmaster]

Don't forget that he also has his belt that doubles his alteady godlike strength. The hammer doesen't give him his strength.

[@DemonMj]

Lol no, it's that when asguardians get older they become much stronger. Why do you think odin is such a powerhouse? He's super resistant to aging tho

[@oppositeofbatman]

@@DemonMj lol, no

[@AmondoDazz]

Oh cool, thanks for the info Satan.

[@lifeisabitch5749]

I was thinking the same think when I watched the movie thank you for resolving this confusion 👍👍

[@kyleseverene7823]

Great video love the video it was really good and interesting

[@livingdecimus4398]

Matpat seriously? When you did the strength calculations you didn't take into account that legs are on average stronger than arms and thor was only using the strength of his fingers to crush Iron mans armor

[@joshualamm3621]

Brock Ross Today I learned Thor's hand muscles are nearly as strong as Hulk's leg muscles

[@rorrim0]

Joshua Lamm I know out of all the people who've had read this reply at least one wants to make a masturbation joke.

[@yoshiguy123]

When you wrote that comment did you take into account the force was coming from hulks arms not his legs?

[@joshualamm3621]

Both arms and legs from the looks of it. Deadlifted himself into the ground. Just having some fun though. I was thoroughly entertained by the video, which is the point.

[@znkrd]

Who would you Believe? MatPat Or Stan Lee the creator of Thor in marvel

[@Metrion77]

To be fair, Stan Lee only said Thor could beat hulk in a fight.

[@eppufart2232]

Stan Lee

[@sporf_sporf]

@@Metrion77 THIS. Stan didn't say Thor was stronger, just that Thor would win. Thor is a warrior born, Hulk is raging, and sometimes near mindless engine of destruction.

[@joh172]

@@Metrion77 Thor would have won a fight against hulk in ragnarok but he got shocked

[@williamirwin4675]

I would believe matpat

[@samlionb]

6:21 Omg why mat i litterally spit my water out

[@gyzardo3648]

It’s so funny I literally laughed out loud

[@morgancarter5788]

The reason he did not dent the floor is because MJOLNIR. Gives him his strength

[@eli3998]

No he didn't dent the floor cuz he was a human then and only when mjolir came back to him did he get back his good powers

[@MrThirtyH]

Hulk digs his feet into concrete by putting his entire enraged muscular system to work. Thor outputs nearly the same amount of force with a single hand. So clearly, this means Thor is weaker since that particular number is smaller. Bang up job.

[@didact-]

MrThirtyH ikr

[@Recklessvagabond636]

The force that hulk put out isn't the total, but the force per foot. So double it.

[@NealonHD]

and he didnt put all his strenght into crushing iron mans armor

[@godz-_-9928]

Ya that force if for one foot did you not pay attention

[@alexanderpape7024]

Well, this is MatPat, someone willing to go above and beyond to do the bare minimum required to get 12 year-olds to like his shit

[@kaelanmarriner2871]

Who is watching in 2019 and almost cried hearing his voice again at 1:41 May he rest in peace - Stan ;(

[@kyonnelettman6266]

Me,Rest in Peace Stan

[@estebanmontoya5809]

May he rest in peace 😭

[@NanamiZephyr]

R.I.P. Stan

[@starlightseason1462]

Kaelan Marriner 😭😭😭

[@emanuel6693]

Why would I cry I don’t even know him

[@confuciusisconfusing]

10:21 stop and see the list.....predicted the endgame!!

[@sharkt9877]

5:00 it was more then just a plate. The planet it self was going to be destroyed. Like split apart.

[@wongtonnoodles2288]

Surtur: Ah , Thor , Son Of Odin Thor : Surtur , Son of a Bitch

[@hugemango2011]

LOL

[@nutragamer9080]

Best opening scene ever... had me crying

[@jdr8223]

true lol

[@geekmuscle657]

Hold on give me a minute. Let me swing back around

[@michelleloveschuwu466]

Lightning Electric LMFAOOOOO🤣🤣

[@thestrangefishlikeentity9967]

I'd say this theory has to be thought of a little more. Hulk put a lot of his effort into the floor cracking part, Thor didn't even break a sweat, much less a grimace, when crushing iron-mans arm.

[@daboss640]

with nothing but some wrist and thumb muscles, it would take way more strength to crush iron man's arm

[@dr.mamtaratti5547]

Are you stupid. Hulk is nothing in front of Thor

[@lillol4]

Well no it wasn't a mistake on the part of the video, because the video said the hammer itself was a mute point...

[@baileyroute3671]

Thor was doing a crushing motion and hulk was pushing. Thor had it easier

[@DevTheBigManUno]

naw man, once you get down to numbers w/ force needed it all levels out. Also the act of using the entire body as a sort of driver is far easier than the act of using your hand to crush something. Thus why you can crush say an Apply with your leg but not squeeze it apart.

[@bexyPTX]

Fun watching old theories about movies I’ve seen

[@bennyaverygardner9681]

Also a fun fact about Jormangunahydgflawe is that it's actually one of Loki's children in Norse Mythology sooooooooo... can't wait to see them tackle THAT

[@bennettparker4579]

I feel as though the fact of what muscles are used has been wrongfully overlooked. You cannot simply compare the force that they exert in these feats. Thor was able to exert that much force with only the muscles involved in closing his hand, as opposed to the muscles used by the Hulk in an attempt to lift the hammer. The Hulk used his upper body and core, which are generally significantly stronger than the muscles in one's hand and wrist. tl:dr The comparison used to draw the conclusion cannot be made due to the difference in muscles used.

[@markhackett2302]

If your fingers were broken, could you lift anything, despite the fct your legs are still fine? No. Because if you can't put enough force into the grip to maintain hold, your fingers slip. The limit on your lifting power is the strength of your grip, not the strength of your legs.

[@frog6948]

Bennett Parker Agreed

[@explicit6400]

Apples are not oranges

[@frog6948]

FafaGaming well duh

[@kover975]

Good point, didn't think about that. I also thought that he overlooked the fact that, while we know hulk is using all his force to lift the hammer (as he fails), Thor seems to crush Iron-man's gauntlets pretty easily, so there's nothing saying that's the peak of his strength. Also, with respect to thor trying to lift the hammer, I think matpat forgot that thor was basically turned into a (granted, very strong and tough) human until he became worth again (as shown by the fact that the big bouncer looking dude was more or less able to go toe-to-toe with him)

[@Ismail-kv3ex]

You proved yourself wrong by comparing deadlifting to grip strength

[@potatostomatoes4599]

Was just about to comment this, what a fucken idiot 😂

[@aidansuxs]

420 dakmemes stfu

[@suppyboyson9400]

@@potatostomatoes4599 You try to make a better video and not make mistakes.You can give constructive criticsm,but swearing at him without giving him any feedback is just stupid.

[@potatostomatoes4599]

@@suppyboyson9400 calm down nancy, your not my mum you cant tell me what to do

[@hannamouse1]

and I assume that you've got 100% on every test you've ever taken? I'm just saying because you called matpat an idiot for making an error so unless you are an incredible genius you are being incredibly hypocritical.

[@ronaldhasagun7585]

Seeing this theory after watching ragnorock is just

[@benjaminvasey8441]

Hulk was lifting the hammer with all his might. Using his arms, legs, back etc. Thor was only using a single hand. Yes it was 300,000 newtons less, but that's comparing Thor's grip strength, to Hulk's dead lift

[@griffinpiercer]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@sillymcwilly4866]

Thor was also depowered to normal human strength at that point too so it was literally a normal human trying to lift the hammer.

[@marynabertnyk609]

Benjamin Vasey THANK YOU even with one hand it didn't even look like he was trying Plus the strength of the iron man suit is probably WAY more than just 4 times stronger than steel

[@simeonharden6488]

Y'all do know Thor lifting the hammer has nothing to do with strength there is a enchantment on the hammer that only allow worthy to lift it Captain America picked it up Thor girlfriend as long as your worthy you can pick it up fine hulk is unworthy but he picked it up with sheer strength which he shouldnt be able too

[@undergravitydownforce714]

You can most certainly apply a lot greater force when dead lifting compared to a hand strength, so how on earth didn't mattpatt think of that? Also I haven't seen infinity war so don't leave a reply that uses info from it please

[@KittensPurple]

Matpat,that was a great video, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT GASTON FROM BEAUTY AND THE BEAST! HOW DOES HE EAT FIVE DOZEN EGGS A DAY AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO A PERSON.... HE EATS 60 EGGS EACH DAY.... PLEASE MAKE A THEORY ABOUT THIS.... THE WORLD MUST KNOW

[@GamerBrenden]

Jenelle YEAH,WE NEED ANSWERS GOD DAMMIT!!!

[@diggy_the_first]

it's probably doable. small eggs.

[@pokerraper1]

I got the answer! HE DOESN'T.

[@tobaccotim6763]

even with small eggs, that mans cholestoral is probably enough to kill LOL

[@obsidiandawn9824]

Best comment.

[@gamespotlive3673]

The cat-lifting one is actually a real myth from norse mythos.

[@AM_Edits001]

Now that infinity war has been released i think thor's new moment of strength should be where he opened up the dyson's sphere to make stormbreaker

[@noahsalmons22]

Those comparisons are so flawed that’s Thor’s hands versus hulks deadlift

[@jacobjean5656]

One of things is unlifitable and the other one can be broken by most avengers

[@sergiu1605]

@@jacobjean5656 It cant and mjolnir is liftable

[@jacobjean5656]

@@sergiu1605 it is lifatable but only by people who are worthy or have extreme power and hacks. The hulk is not worthy and does not have extreme hacks.also iron man suit is breakable by most avengers remember when Captain and Bucky beat Ironman up and broke his amror.

[@sergiu1605]

@@jacobjean5656 They only destroyed the helmet. And they were 2. Hawkeye would fight with Tony for hours and still cant brake it

[@jacobjean5656]

@@sergiu1605 hulk would destroy tony in his regular suit in one second

[@CatholicismRules]

I'm glad so many people are noticing the unfair comparisons.

[@Selvokaz]

like how your legs are twice as powerful as your hands or arms?

[@MASTERGRIEFS]

Yeah, except he wasn't lifting with his legs, he was lifting with his hands, which was the force that pushed him into the ground, you can't push down harder than your weight without an external force, and the force was applied by his arms.

[@GoblinsAreReal]

MASTERGRIEFS when you lift something from the ground you use your whole body to do so

[@kingkooda7886]

rcsteel music yes this is true but ur feet apply more force then ur arms are applying to lift the object hence why hulk was breaking the ground if this was a fair test mat pat would consider that he needs to test hand on hand and foot on foot. A Foot and hand comparison is not fair because hulk weighs more I assume which would appeal to the force hulk is giving through his feet

[@echoxulan2188]

rcsteel music he’s lifting with his arms , if you try lifting a weight that was too much for you your feet sink into the ground the more you try , that’s essentially what’s happening , he’s not lifting with his legs , he’s putting all his might into his arms

[@davidlove3293]

Man this is a great video but after learning Norse mythology it’s so hard to watch haha

[@mallietec9877]

Dear matt patt I rewatch all of ya film theories and game theories love them all,but my question is. Do u thing this theory still stands after endgame?

[@Spiffa]

That last point is ridiculous your leg strength is more than your arm strengh

[@PremonitionGamingVid]

Usually by about double, if not 1.5x

[@SavvageCabbage]

But he's using his arms to lift the hammer and applying the force like a lever to himself down to his feet pushing it down.

[@orpheusmuse3786]

It’s not even arm strength, it’s grip strength, as in the strength of the tendons in one’s fingers because he’s not punching the gauntlet, he’s literally squeezing it.

[@gungho2304]

its fun watching messages of people that have no idea what they are talking about... trust me a foot is stronger than a hand but in terms of the feats they were performing it turns out to be about equal

[@orpheusmuse3786]

Greeny how?

[@MarcosAmparo]

You know who's stronger than every Avenger? Winnie The Pooh

[@MarcosAmparo]

Js

[@azizbanaga2844]

Amen

[@likeactualsoulmates]

Marcos Amparo that just became amazing .. They should make a movie out of it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@downsonjerome7905]

He atac He protec And he even giv suc

[@TheMasonRacin]

Eh, no

[@MrAliarcid]

I love how he says when he says the amount of forced to destroy the earth while a lot of people take the time to see how much Force any show freezer Galatis every Supervillain who tried to destroy the earth

[@melindapop8961]

He definently changed his answer after the movie

[@andre-5412]

Just wanna mention that hulk uses the strenght of his entire body while trying to lift the Hammer but Thor just needs his forearms and fingers to crush iron mans suit

[@zeenzones6928]

@@cycle4893 ???.

[@Africa41]

With his non dominant hand

[@anthonyvasco6356]

UltraMagicOwl Playz he meant seeing hulk try to pick up the hammer and seeing the amount of force his foot put out was not just from hulks leg, but from his whole body. Mat put this measurement against Thor’s one hand strength feat and concluded hulk is stronger, but if Thor can do almost what hulk can do with one hand, what’s saying Thor can’t do way more if he uses his whole body

[@MegaTexasCountry]

UltraMagicOwl Playz he is talking about when hulks feet are sinking

[@voidrev909]

@UltraMagicOwl Playz its supposed to mean he used his entire body power to break the ground

[@SherbertHusky]

Well Thor crushed Iron Mans gauntlet with one hand and the hulk was using at least both his arms and his back. So Thor’s two arms must be stronger. In the scene where Thor is trying to lift the hammer while he is unworthy Thor does not have his powers so he has only human levels of strength.

[@stevensanchez1192]

TheSkyHadAWeegee Not mention that hands are weaker than legs, Thor's legs must be hella strong

[@official.izanami]

The Film Theorists Is the big surprise that you're a scam account, or that I just reported you?

[@jackiechan715]

As I told another comment, we aren't calculating his arms or back, only his legs. The amount of force he's using to smash his feet into the ground is not affected by the amount of force he's exerting with his arms or back.

[@stevensanchez1192]

Shadow S. Korosu That's not scientific at all

[@izcondoralexander]

Thor uses mjolnir to focus his power, but thor without his hammer is still damn strong plus can summon thunder. He beat up hulk without problem.

[@FMP1yt]

I like how he says that he is not seeing who will win in a fight and then immediately looks at their fights in the comics

[@dermotshaw6775]

A 2nd episode, now that phase 3 is done, would be awesome

[@duderyandude9515]

But matpat legs have 4x the potential of your arms so you would divide by 4 on hulks side for an even estimate

[@halflard9982]

And Thor only used his fucking fingers

[@thepixelkings3491]

What is this? (This is to a spam that was here, for the future people)

[@free_playstation_2]

And Hulk's feet is bigger than Thor's hand

[@JakeSnake07]

Spam. Report it.

[@Blank-ww3ph]

Matt is wrong

[@nanaleo7855]

Hi ! I was wondering, where do you get your marvel comic books ?

[@LeeLeeqw]

Might wana redo this one Matt patt. It would be fun to see

[@alexlimfilms]

2:12 "I wanna determine who is literally the strongest, not who would win in a fight" *proceeds to determine who would win in a fight*

[@shade08538]

Lol true

[@doge_king2532]

I never realized that

[@danonyt1611]

I just realised that as well=)

[@UselessSpen]

Matpat you forgot a key point-- Muscle groups. When Hulk drove his feet into the ground he was using every muscle in his body trying to lift the Hammer. Compared to Thor who was only using his hand to crush Iron man's armor. If one hand can crush that much what happens if he uses two, Lifts with his legs, or idk puts his back into it. You got Hulks total body strength now we need Thors to make a good comparison.

[@94e88]

Steven Langevin You have take in to account that Mat compared the alloy to literal steel beams, not to thin sheets like on the suit. Mat just took a steel beams max load, timed it by four and used that number, which is not right in anyway. So Thor would actually be much weaker if Mat would do his research and not be lazy. And even worse, he said that the alloy was 4x HARDER not tougher or more durable, see hardness has nothing to do with durability, hardness just usually makes things resistant to abrasion but makes the material brittle. This episode is one of the more innaccurate and lazily researched ones. Also, it seems like he wants Thor to be the winner, so that's that

[@drakingp2119]

It's time to stop Get some help dude you really have got to stop copy pasting this thing.

[@thatonefunnyfatkid3206]

You should make a comic channel comic theory I really like the comics and I think would be a good idea

[@silvervaliant]

A redo is needed!

[@snwitzles]

Hulk was doing a dead lift. Thor was squeezing. Different muscle groups.

[@andrewreil3938]

Thor generated that force with his fucking forearms. Thats insane.

[@borispasch7153]

Yeah! And Hulk used his whole posterior chain which is like 10000x stronger than just the forearm muscles. Also when Hulk tried to pick up the hammer he looked like he was using all of his power on the other hand Thor crushed Ironmans suit effortlessly. Btw: I really like your vids but i think you messed up a bit this time.

[@johnguy3211]

This

[@asherang7]

Thor is stronger pound for pound and he has fighting srats

[@vincentkeiperiv2192]

I think I found a problem with your theory. Your ending conclusion was based on the force one of Hulk's feet produced, but when lifting Mjolnir Hulk was using his entire body to try and pick up the hammer. The force he produces when trying to pick up Mjolnir would then be from his entire body. When you compare that to Thor using one hand to crush Tony's suit it can be seen that Thor can produce 3,456,000 pounds of force WITH ONE HAND, not even both of his arms. If I am missing something could somebody please point that out, but looking at it this way makes it seem as though Thor is much strong. P.S. love the show and have been watching for a really long time. Keep it up it brightens my day every time I see that you guys uploaded something.

[@ItsVxctor]

Vincent Keiper IV the hammer is spelled for thor to pick it up.

[@Felix-gm9im]

Vincent Keiper IV You're missing a big point fam. In movies, hulk is seen ripping through industrial material, as well as many of iron man's suits and shit just as easily as Thor. Not to mention, also in the movies and In the comics, iron man's suits are not only able to be disintegrated by a hand, but also by a bullet (which in this case would be weaker by A HIGH amount), a punch from captain America (who is human with peak human performance, so imagine Batman levels of strength), a missile, and many other things. The alloy is obviously weaker than he stated, also it's factually flawed because he compared the alloy to a real life counterpart, which wouldn't technically be a counterpart at all due to the fact that the fictional plot allows this metal to potentially be weaker than stated. A real life source doesn't always apply 100% to a fictional source. In real life. There's more to this but I don't feel like going too in depth.

[@official.izanami]

The Film Theorists Fucking stop already.

[@petsan97]

It's weird that so many seem to forget it since he even showed it in the video, but comparing what Hulk did to the Hulkbuster, an armor specifically made to beat him, makes Thor's grip strenght look cute by comparison.

[@kelvyiturralde8111]

Did you just say that Captain America is just a human at peak strength? Captain America is the Super Soldier - he has been seen flipping trucks and lifting small cars.

[@hassanqanbari8531]

0:36 really missed that intro👏👏

[@Nathan-W]

6:12 is the best. The accent MatPat puts on is the absolute best 😂😂😂

[@gavinwilson1411]

Holy hell watching this the day after Stan lee died, it feels really nice to hear Stan lee talking about what he loved most

[@haillobster7154]

I'm glad to see Thor finally man up. Or god up. Because he was usually a pathetic disgrace in the Marvel animation.

[@Colin-sw2bh]

R.I.P Stan Lee (he will be missed

[@MortalKombatfan-rz5je]

Rip Stan lee

[@thatcrystalpie]

*sniff

[@Missingno_Miner]

Rip stan lee, also i notice this video is asking, who is stronger, a god who fights with an unliftable(except to him) hammer, or a radioactive mutant that can barely lift it

[@Jifpete]

U forgot that thor was beating the crap out of hulk before the grandmaster decided to paralyze him.

[@sabu4539]

He said this isn't about if they fought its about strength and he also said that if Hulk gets more angry he gets stronger, so Thor kicking his will make Hulk angrier thus his strength increasing surpassing Thor. Also Hulks power is not only physical strength he has multiple of powers, one which is rapid healing similar to Wolverines, Hulks durability is fucking insane.

[@Joseph-sg3jz]

SA4B Thor was still going to win he easily could have knocked Hulk out once he had been kicking his ass.

[@goddessoflove4ever]

SA4B no ones talking about winning a fight. Hulk couldn't match Thor's strength one on one fisticuffs in that scene. MatPat's just wrong again.

[@andreamazzeo4306]

Also if we are talking about who wins the fight (And Matpat isn't talking about that) Thor probably wins because he is a more experienced fighter and has other powers like thunder ecc. .That said, a draw is probably inevitable because they are both incredibly resilient and neither of them have been able to even scratch the other.

[@lysoutrighter8260]

@SA4B How can a dead Hulk gets madder? Thor summons a lightning bolt and Hulk is dead.

[@kingspooky5400]

After he awakens his power hes MUCH, MUCH stronger

[@blockmanintros]

10:21 holy moly even film theory predicted it 2 years before it actually happening

[@ericaltenburg]

Incredibly minor spoiler alert: So are we just going to ignore the fact that Thor basically beat the Hulk in Ragnarok? The only reason why Hulk "won" was because the grandmaster rigged it.

[@ttrevina]

Even though it's a spoiler, it should be a part of the theory if he wants it to be fair

[@Kovi_99]

I don’t understand why that makes Thor the winner it’s not like hulk was knocked out or anything in fact he was doing just fine

[@magicfist482]

thunder powers is not brute strength...

[@samanastasios4974]

Just because it was rigged, it doesnt mean Thor would win in a fair fight.

[@Karudzik]

Isnt that Thor with "sparks" like Super Saiyan? ddnt he discover like his true potential after that talk with Odin? I hope Hulk will do a mess again in Infinity Wars

[@evanprobst3755]

Okay I’ll be honest. I think a lot of the evidence here is just design choices.

[@danzrt]

it may be, but to be fair the source material is not very reliable. In the first Thor movie Thor is shown to be just as strong as a normal person without his hammer. Later on different movies his strenght is pretty much the same without his hammer the only difference being that he can't fly nor use lightnings

[@TheMan8884]

5:18 But how did rocks not shader in his hands from grip strength that pulled earth together It would shader he should not be able to grab earth's rocks not shattering them

[@roaryes7536]

At 8:28 there was no mistake if you look at it in slow motion and when Jarvis said 400% it was at 400% it started at about 385 (put it in .25 speed to really see it)

[@SuperAp0calypse]

Your conclusion is wrong - Thor did not have his powers when he tries to pick up the hammer, hence his feet not sinking into the floor, as he was, essentially, the same as a human wrestler - strong, but only about the strength of someone like The Rock. Also in Thor: Ragnarok he punches Hulk when he finally uses his new powers and sends the green guy flying, as he was holding back the entire time trying to get through to Hulk to help him, rather than fight him. If The Grandmaster hadnt zapped him, who knows what would have happened. In the comics, Thor has multiple abilities besides strength. Comics Thor is more powerful than any version of the Hulk, especially when he has his enchanted belt of strength, Asgardian steel armour and the Odinforce, or more accurately Thorforce, when his father died and passed the power to his son. Also, never question Stan Lee on his own creations.

[@zackatkins5505]

fr

[@Dr.HooWho]

Thought thor was physically stronger than a normal human, i doubt his strength was that low

[@dreambiglistentomymixtapes983]

About time someone puts some knowledge into the comment section

[@0umbrellacorp]

If Thor is that weak without his hammer, then the Hulk takes it easily. Not exactly a fair comparison if Thor is only relevant due to a super-magic item. "Hey guys who would win in a fight. Some kid I picked up at the orphanage or the Flash with the Infinity Stone of Speed?"

[@pyrovas8832]

Vidya Games no he doesn’t get his powers from the hammer dipstick have you even seen Thor ragnarock or any of the comics or other movies

[@kninenights]

*sees MatPat saying 'so hulk/Thor must be the strongest right?'* *checks time stamp* Okay, what's the catch?

[@corndoghead1]

Knine Nights ... Mat Pat is like a double sided sword...

[@timothysexton2086]

uhm also....hulked tried with 2 hands not 1 like thor......so divide hulks by 1.25 roughly... and thor wins out right

[@contrabardus]

So has Hulk, multiple times in fact. Banner/Hulk is dead right now in the comics.

[@Qwertyuiop-lg7ko]

THE KING OF MEMES In fact is even less, because the strenght that we use with just one hand is several times less that the one that we use using both hands

[@CrazyMagicTutorial]

THE KING OF MEMES he didn't calculate the pounds of force hulk was applying to the hammer he was calculsting the force hulk applied to the ground by his single foot, to crack it.

[@danielstrange9794]

Actually in norse mythology, the serpent (along with Hela) is loki's child. And, slightly off topic, he also had another son who took the form of a wolf named Fenrir (a familiar name for harry potter fans).

[@user-di2sv5zy4k]

Actually it was the character called molecule man who dropped the mountain on to of the hulk along with the rest of the superhero’s in secret wars, not the beyonder

[@yongjieng5111]

Wait what? Why is the conclusion drawn so unfairly to thor? Why are we comparing what essentially is a deadlift ( how hulk generated the force) vs a squeeze. I'm fairly sure even people who don't workout knows or at least can imagine that deadlift is the strongest lift that humans can perform with weights. You're basically using your most powerful muscle groups in that movement namely your glutes, hamstrings and lower back. How is that remotely comparable to more delicate muscles of the forearms? If anything, assuming that the skeletomuscular construct of both hulk and thor complies with that of humans in terms of force output/ cross-section area of muscle (proportionate to their respective overall sizes) also accounting for joint structure involved in force production then Thor must be stronger than hulk based on the numbers matt postulated. Larger muscles in simpler joints generate forces much greater than smaller muscles in more complex joints, so if Thor can generate forces so relatively lesser with a squeeze than hulk can with his lower back and posterior muscles along his legs then it follows that thor would be able to generate much more force under the same movement.

[@richardrichard4408]

Hulk pulled something of with 4.1 sextillion. Thor with plus three zero's with the same muscles

[@Vorchitect]

Yong Jie Ng Yes, EXACTLY!! There's also him saying that blackholes are invisible, and that Sister Location came before the Bite of '83 (using evidence that clearly stated that it came AFTERm) All of these things are making me quickly lose respect for his findings. He's GREAT at doing research and finding evidence, and also doing some conplex math here and there. However, he is terrible at drawing conclusions, as he ignores or disregards clear evidence. I mainly watch his videos for the details he finds, not really the conclusions he makes.

[@biggybigman]

But at that point Thor didn't have his any of his Asgardian strength. He was comparable to an above average human in strength, as per his fight with the shield agents. Plus he crushed Iron-man's gauntlet with hardly any effort while hulk was putting incredible effort into lift the hammer.

[@Raees.S]

And Thors powers had been taken away from him at that point.

[@juan-jacquesfourie9590]

Thank you! At least someone talking a bit of sense!

[@nef36]

When Thor can almost match Hulk's deadlift with his grip and still be deemed weaker

[@sherryelder9511]

Just goes to show even "gods" have a hard time with the hulk

[@primetime4373]

@@sherryelder9511 that’s not what it shows nor was that the OP’s point The point was that MP’s conclusion makes no sense, especially with the evidence he himself presented

[@primetime4373]

@@sherryelder9511 If Thor’s fingers and forearms output nearly as much as Hulk’s legs and torso, logically Thor’s Legs and Torso should be able to lift immensely more

[@mnstrchkn136]

That 'how bout dať after the aurmor was charged was epic

[@randomguy6738]

Stanley Lee's voice... idk why I just love it

[@Hilophyle]

Who else thinks matpat should redo this theory???

[@ericberkowitz3320]

me

[@matijabozic1678]

Hilophyle Thor is stronger

[@ejiacavarice2367]

Me

[@bompscout1999]

Hilophyle me

[@temper1287]

10:45

[@hikmetmelihozdemir4389]

The hammer has no power. It just focuses Thor’s powers into a single point. This was mentioned in the movie.

[@deltrasros8916]

Ya but there's a problem what about the comics

[@deltrasros8916]

John Marshall again it's in the movie not comics

[@4vro]

You do realise this whole video is about saying that we're running on movie logic u fucktard

[@Chuck_Norris_]

also he's comparing thor when he does not have the odin force so stock characters should be banner vs thor with no odin force and hulk vs thor with odin force in which thor will win easilly with said powers

[@deltrasros8916]

xXbghytXx I’m sorry but that’s the point if you don’t get it reply

[@RollingSkill]

Bruh does he realize that that “banner strongest avenger” was a f*cking joke

[@tonkhk]

he was just wondering man

[@Scarry-pb2tp]

Relax lol it’s not that serious

[@taypas5606]

jeez thats what mat does calm down man

[@mynameisrayaan]

"Mat, did you forget a leg has maybe 2× strength of your arm, so even if I lower it to 1.5× it'll still be 5,184,000 of force, sorry to break it to ya :) "

[@aidanrogers4438]

*SPOILERS FOR RAGNAROK* I've just realised that MatPat is wrong as in the film we see Thor starting to harness his powers without his hammer, and he almost very nearly beats Hulk until the Grandmaster activates his Thor's security chip, electrocuting him. So Thor would've beaten Hulk, and Thor is stronger now he's able to harness the full capabilities of his lighting powers.

[@YungSkwid]

exactly

[@aarnavchaturvedi2552]

My man

[@lotusblack704]

Batman Jr. I think he's aware but even mentioning that point in the vid spoils it so...

[@dekusceptilehybrid9962]

BY THE POWER OF THOR I will use this to TURN ON MY LIGHTS

[@CoolGuy-pz5et]

Matpat did say its not about who would win in a fight, just their overall strength.