Film Theory: ROGUE ONE's Turn to the Dark Side! (Star Wars: Rogue One)

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Star Wars is one of my all-time favorite movie franchises. And since The Force Awakens was actually good, let's hope we can keep the positive streak going with the first Star Wars spin-off, Rogue One. But already, one big question hangs over this movie: How are they going to explain away the fact that we haven't met any of these new characters in Star Wars Episodes 4, 5, 6 or 7?? It almost seems like Disney has written themselves into a corner with this one. BUT MAYBE these obscure characters are more familiar than we realize. Today, I'm going to show you who these rag-tag rogues really are, and in the process predict not only the ending of Rogue One, but also the events of Star Wars Episode VIII.
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[@thehiggo942]

Mattpat: "I guess they could kill everyone, but is that really likely?" Disney: "Hold my drink"

[@TheMrCHELL]

Kyle H Bwahahahahahahahah

[@Alte.Kameraden]

+Kyle did they really show everyone die? If you didn't notice, they actually didn't show a single member of Rogue One die. They were all caught in explosions, sometimes even off camera. People survived the Nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who says Jyn and Cassian actually died on that beach? There wasn't this massive ground upheaval as you saw on Jedha. 1. Pilot Explosion off Camera. 2. Monk, hit by shrapnel from explosion by blaster bolt against console. 2. Heavy, grenade goes off, sparks/flames go across screen, then camera shows explosion with characters again off screen. 3. Jyn and Cassian, shock wave arrives, camera goes yet again off screen, so you do not see them actually getting hit by the blast. Sure this could be censorship, but it could also be setting up for a plausible res usage of the characters. Lets put it this way. Mobile Suit Gundam Char's CounterAttack they did something similar. The character of Char (darth vadar of the Gundam universe) was claimed as dead in the Novel version of the film. But in the TV/Film world he was officially considered MIA, missing in action. In the film they even show a con trial a glowing line of light as a machine leaves an asteroid at the end, long after everyone else left. This scene lasted a fraction of a second. It had lead many fans to believe Char Aznable was still alive. Fast Forward to 2011 Gundam Unicorn episode 2 The Red Comet is released, a man named Full Frontal is pretty much "Char Aznable." In almost every way, but name. Film staff admit "They wanted Full Frontal to have a unique origin not related to the novel." In the Novel he was a man who they implanted Char's memories, but in the film series, they never explain his origin and leave it to fans to decide. To me he lived, as one of the machines used by "His" faction used the cockpit from his machine in Char's Counter Attack, implying to me that he survived. But yet they never came out and confirmed it, it's how to make a good mystery for fans.

[@linuskarlsson6208]

Kyle H :,D OMG so true

[@marinusvandeventer3175]

Kameraden sorry bruh, there is an actual canon novel that tells all their last thoughts before dying... so they died :P

[@Alte.Kameraden]

+marinus issue with that argument is almost none of the Novelizations of the films are accurate 100% to the films. So in a sense both the films and novels are canon for their own variation of the starwars universe. Despite how much people want to claim them as canon, even of Lucas himself said they were canon, if even one thing varies from the films, how can they be canon if the films are also canon? This is the same issue Mobile Suit Gundam has. It's such a problem that it's officially considered among fans that The Novels and TV/Films are Canon, but of their own variation or alternate reality of canon.

[@stoneflags2467]

Mat: "how are these guys going to fit in with the original trilogy?" Me: " oh easy, they all die"

[@serenemountain6769]

they fit just right into the old trash compactor of the old trilogy !

[@traceybarryhunt9919]

Serene Mountain the originally trilogy is great!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@cyruss6536]

what a sad truth

[@serenemountain6769]

@LuppiesHyper they died what do you expect.

[@serenemountain6769]

@LuppiesHyper i never sad it was bad you just assumed i did.

[@awesomeschnoodle7458]

MatPan: The knights of Ren will play a huge part Disney: Naw they all die in 2 seconds and just look cool

[@jasarigames4481]

Wasted...Befooled....Utterly thoughtless

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

Yeah I really wish they had done something with them other than just relegating them to “they fight, they die.”

[@God_TheOneAndOnly]

“MatPan”

[@stikbot101Official]

their awesomeness, its over nine thousand!

[@radmaster2073]

Ah yes my favorite KZbinrs Droom and Matpan This is a joke

[@paradoxlaboratories8005]

It’s unfortunate that the Knights of Ren ended up being just as strong or important to the plot as regular Storm Troopers. They teased them in a dream sequence for literally no reason.

[@claytonedwards852]

Watching this post-release is honestly the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. "I suppose they could just kill them all off but is that really likely?" Yes, MatPat. Yes it is.

[@mrjohnjohn1219]

Director: "Hold my beer"

[@lukelcs8934]

And that's exactly what made it great!

[@tyseeber3070]

Well hold my lightsaber

[@mindless_drift]

If matpat could revive the theory it would be legendary

[@johndywick179]

In other words it counts like a win but the boring one.

[@jojof5381]

"another group... one that we know almost nothing about but we know is gonna play a huge role in the movies " THE CANTINA BAND!

[@jojof5381]

*role

[@MrMLaidlaw]

you can edit

[@MCMayhemDrdoughnut]

Actually Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes broke up recently. It was very emotional ;-;

[@markgames9229]

Ulrich Faller one of them is force sensitive and the smaller one drives the death star

[@LilFlame2001]

You mean...the jizz band.

[@Mr_Kiwi]

This lined up so perfectly other than the age. Couldn’t they have just been frozen in carbonite then freed once an acceptable leader came across. They could have been captured and frozen by Vader as they are too dangerous to let live, but could be a help. They are forgotten about until Kylo finds them. He then frees them, but spending so long in carbonate makes them forget who they are, causing them to turn to the dark side

[@niclaswa5408]

I like that explanation

[@shisokudo]

When MatPat writes better stories in 15 minutes than basically everyone at Disney.

[@camdotcoms]

“I suppose they could just kill everyone, but is that really likely?” oh, this is going to be fun.

[@adrienconverset6571]

there was the original trilogy, the prequels, the clone wars series, the rebels series, and this one shall be called lazy writing decade of Star Wars...

[@ruru1993]

lmao then they all die

[@henith7850]

Hey! Clone wars was amazing!

[@allisonhowe7190]

Yes, yes it is very likely

[@Chessyab]

everyone in rouge one died. ;-;

[@novaladon2275]

I died when he said they can't just kill everyone

[@originalname6391]

/ NOVALADON / same

[@oscarpitt9851]

/ NOVALADON / same

[@YGSuper]

/ NOVALADON / so did eye

[@genericaccount6063]

/ NOVALADON / yeep

[@theyvlogs4976]

/ NOVALADON / yep

[@ayvahnladdie]

"Theres more prequels!!! Noooooo." 2022: "You got any more of them prequels? I find the lack of quality sequel writing disturbing."

[@Morgoth1889]

Well no one cared about solo even though it was good so I guess we didn’t appreciate what we had when we had it

[@QuiGonLiam]

If palpatine could survive the death star's explosion, why couldn't the rogue one crew survive the death star's blast and become the knights of ren?

[@imbadateverygame2920]

QuiGonLiam because Palpatine is a powerful force user

[@PhantomMarius]

True but Palpatine had force powers they did not

[@thesurvivalistpotato3117]

He could harness the dark side of the force. Remember the whole "the dark side is a path to many abilities some consider unnatural"?

[@familyogle3002]

@@thesurvivalistpotato3117 bout to say that vouch

[@mkei3639]

Because that was a clone, not palpatines original body

[@justicedunham4088]

This is so ironically funny once you watch Rouge One.

[@ROMXNCE]

Justice Dunham Darth Sidious: ironic

[@saltyshrimp1151]

Oh yes.

[@grizzy-thekiwi1144]

XD

[@dmstudios4843]

Ikr

[@athenaandannabethtwinsbubb9294]

I know right? Iv been yelling at him from the start! 😂

[@LeonidasBr]

Star wars continues to be film-theory-proof

[@LeonidasBr]

And yes matpat, they killed everyone :P

[@LeonidasBr]

Le Fedora Cate it didn't get me. I was more moved when darth vader fucked everyone up. Goosebumps

[@erikcarlsson99]

Leonidas Br you could feel the fear in the rebels

[@LeonidasBr]

Incredible scene. Pure terror.

[@gussyvallejos]

Leonidas Br yyyuuuuupp

[@justinpederson9481]

Matpat: "Prepare to be convinced." Me: "Chuckles evilly."

[@imbadateverygame2920]

The prequels were way better than the sequel trilogy, you can’t change my mind.

[@skasktheslod924]

MatPat: “They won’t kill all the characters” Writer: “.....Scrap everything we have, everyone dies.”

[@undeadpeak]

well we see the planet get deathstar-1.0ed but for all we know it did not work and they lived we never actually see them die we just suspect them to be dead.

[@straythrawn7861]

@@undeadpeak dont we see a tsunami sized wave coming in after the impact of the laser?

[@undeadpeak]

@@straythrawn7861 yes, we do see a tsunami come in but again due to the fact we never see them die there are ways in movie magic how they could survive ranging from logical to completely absurd.

[@straythrawn7861]

@@undeadpeak well, I think they were very implied to be dead, since we clearly saw everyone else in the rogue one team die, plus they were sitting on a beach and didn't look like they were going anywhere

[@undeadpeak]

@@straythrawn7861 I know I'm just arguing for the sake of it

[@maclunkey_]

It's so freaking funny to hear matt say that they probably won't kill everyone

[@zero_trashcan]

ThatOneWhiteGuy agreed

[@linagonzalez6080]

ThatOneWhiteGuy How innocent

[@spaghettipersonhello]

ThatOneWhiteGuy especially since they did kill everyone!

[@ayraatanacio3180]

ThatOneWhiteGuy i

[@maclunkey_]

DÅn - DiamondGames9786 that's why it's funny

[@wilsonleddy2195]

I love the way they talk about the trailers, even though they cut loads of it.

[@destroyersaiyan]

I used to feel prequels were bad, but after watching the sequel trilogy I KNOW that the Prequels were amazing!!

[@iamperpetuallyconfused1916]

“I suppose the easiest way is to kill everyone, but is that really likely?” YES. YES MATPAT IT IS LIKELY AND VERY VERY PAINFUL!!!

[@alliegertson6476]

Females StrongasHELL I know so sad

[@xavierf6832]

It built up everything! Oh, he likes her, she likes him, awesome blind monk is awesome, badass gun dude is better than highly trained death soldiers. They already outran one planet detonating explosion, there was a funny droid that wasn’t the usual funny, but the sarcastic funny. AND THEN F*CKING BLOW IT ALL UP AND TEAR MY HEART IN HALF

[@jonnycollison]

Xavier F it was so brilliant though, it's the best ending to any star wars movie. So unexpected.

[@frances3064]

yeah I was sad they killed everyone off too....

[@storymaster21]

and they died. despite having a second robot and all the many plot holes.

[@theresafarr7089]

Mattpat: "They won't kill all the characters!" Rogue One: *kills all the characters*

[@MizzSIR]

but, did they really die?

[@wacky_duck1095]

@@MizzSIR yes, they got obliterated by the death star indirectly

[@MaxRamos8]

Well Vader didn't die, Moff didn't die, Leia didn't die, heck anyone not on scariff survived

[@ShapBro]

@@wacky_duck1095 naaah. No ones ever really gone. I trust 100% in disney that they either forgot about it or that they dont care. So far has it gone

[@zazcraft]

@@MizzSIR No, they just got their atoms splited apart by a Death Star,

[@Kxle750]

Disney: "Amazing! - Every word of what you just said was wrong."

[@taperdude5838]

Mat: doesn't like the prequels Me: YOU WERE THE CHOSE ONE

[@Blizzard_467]

Why he doesn't like them?

[@lsilverzach4838]

MatPat: They’re not gonna kill them all off Rogue One: Kills more then just the main cast MatPat: OH COME OH

[@CHEF-55457]

Lol

[@Farryzz]

Lol

[@niclai139]

"oh come oh"

[@hoodedsweater3876]

MatPat: The knights often will be a big part of episode 8. Episode 8: Nah, how about we don't. Episode 9: Nah, let's do this, but don't say anything about them. MatPat: What.....

[@michuwulleconfusion9510]

“I suppose they could just kill everyone, but is that really likely?” Oh you sweet summer child

[@John_the_Paul]

The most accurate prediction he made was the throwaway one he said would never happen

[@magoschonkers711]

Great reference a reference from a series that was ruined last minute for a franchise that was ruined last minute (well 2016).

[@cjpanda1017]

Rey Theory: False The Rouge One Team Appearance in Future Movies Theory: False This Theory: False 14:06/When Matpat says it’s just a Theory: True Must buy Theory Wear: True

[@KidFlash87]

I wish I all of your theories will come true cuz they are honestly some of the best theories I've ever heard and they would make for great movies

[@bellabutterfly2277]

“I suppose they could just kill everyone, but is that really likely?” 🤦‍♀️Ohhhhh he has NOOOOOO idea....

[@bellabutterfly2277]

Ohh! And they are all dead. Sorry pat😑

[@rmzing]

In his defense, this video was released a whole month before Rogue One was released.

[@giant9211]

Should have waited

[@markgodfrey100]

Then why make it

[@shxwnhx]

Matpat: Is it really likely that they will kill all the main characters? Everyone in comments: :>

[@benman92]

Shawn He Star Wars be like KZbin DEMONITIZE THIS VIDEO

[@just1655]

And he said it while showing the Death Star, the way that they died

[@Downbubbles2]

6:05 *dramatic anime laugh*

[@cursedice517]

I love coming back 3 years after that movie is out and just seeing how far off he got this one. "nah they wont die" Disney: "hahaha" (btw I love his theories i just find this one particularly funny because of how far off it was, but still love his videos}

[@andeh900]

If this theory is actually true prepare for Disney to take down this video

[@creasu124]

LOL

[@anamikarai7240]

AndyForce hey isn't this the same type of story of like the Phineas and ferb special episode

[@featheredlily]

XD

[@Hellbane224]

Hilarious, but unlikely. Doing so would only confirm the theory.

[@chainedbeast3674]

but that would just be them confirming it as true

[@Canadia_Ball]

*MatPat makes a Starwars Theory* Disney: "Come on, now we have to change it."

[@jasarigames4481]

I mean the palps theory held up

[@LunaraFlare]

Probably was too late to change it OR they missed it until after the movie was made

[@mansoorkhanjadoon1360]

@@LunaraFlare It would have elevated rogue one from a good movie to a good movie in a series

[@indahningsih3556]

@@mansoorkhanjadoon1360 imagine if THEY were the knight of ren. It will be so cool and bring some interesting backstory and give rogue one some purpose to the next installment.

[@bluellama2348]

6:05 MatPat: But that we know will play a big part in the sequel trilogy Me: Yeeeeah, but not really

[@nickgalvan2956]

Watching this years later is hilarious

[@ChrisTheGrape]

"I'm 100% confident Jin is coming back in episode 8" - Matpat Welp.................. This is awkward....

[@evesixphoenix8541]

Chris The Grape just cue the massive nuclear explosion.

[@akshatsaraswat9458]

Chris The Grape why?

[@strateg1csn1p3r_8]

spacium Cause they all die

[@MrMooagi977]

just a little overcooked... it's still good... it's still good...-.- but honestly, i think they come back

[@jefflenes2073]

Chris The Grape nope

[@yellowbat79]

its cute how hard you worked on this and then Disney comes and kills everyone...

[@cable78]

🐖

[@ETBrooD]

Director Gareth Edwards and writer Gary Whitta wanted to kill everyone but they thought Disney wouldn't approve so they wrote a good ending where Jyn and Cassian and a few others survive. Then in a surprise move Disney gave the green light to kill everyone.

[@linjohnpola4352]

Why is Disney part of this?

[@chemchaos3089]

Multi Gaming Disney bought lucas film

[@masonchau5790]

yellow bat I believe Disney saw his theory and changed the plot like the finding dory.

[@TheOneWhoKnocc]

I love how everyone thought they hated the prequels until the sequels showed us what a real shitshow looks like

[@saltysurfer]

wow i love how well these star wars theories age

[@SmallEyeStudios]

"I guess they could kill everyone, but is that really likely?" Oh matpat, oh poor, innocent matpat

[@cdf9]

Alien_pixels lmao i know i wa like well.... ima watch anyway

[@mrmainecoongamer2338]

Alien_pixels so true

[@hannahb2428]

Alien_pixels ikr This theory is so good and could work so well if it weren't for the issue at the end of rogue one

[@yehudatheodoros6547]

or do they?

[@theodorekennedy143]

So sad

[@victoriawalke6088]

Matpat: does that sound likely . Disney: *evil laugh*

[@larkeyyy4942]

I actually liked the prequels

[@larkeyyy4942]

Wait ignore that I meant it for the comment above

[@boomerboi9642]

Me when Matpat insults the prequels: It's treason then

[@mongolianfishingvillages1371]

Fax

[@breadley5159]

Rian getting ready to not include in the movie: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*

[@cardsfanbj]

"I'm 100% confident in saying that Jyn Erso is coming back in Episode 8" *Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.* P.S. Leia's "British accent" is actually just her mocking Tarkin (he has a British accent)

[@popupssuck00]

That's just a random justification for her British accent that someone made up at some point. The truth is that it was a mistake.

[@one_man_community]

Oh, 8 is out. How about 9 - 10?

[@gautegustavsen9406]

Like 200!!!!!!!

[@michaelraimondo1452]

Well we all know what happened now.

[@fireraven1267]

THATS WHAT LUKE SAID!!!! UR COOL

[@andres8284]

Is funny watch this video after seeing the movie.

[@GladoStone]

Andres Mundaca watching the movie after seeng this video is a way funnier experience :D

[@ranggawisesha3752]

Andres Mundaca Yeah thats true

[@trevorkaran9970]

Sadly they all died in the end.... OR DID THEY..!?!

[@DigitalDZine]

Oz ieus uuuuuuhhhhhh...ya...ya they did

[@pepesilvia8033]

+Oz ieus I'm thinking that they'll pull an Anakin and rebuild them as ruthless killers

[@neverdeadjustasleep7]

Even when you see this in "pre Rouge One eyes" the timelines still don't match. The group from RO would have to be really old. Jyn Urso Is probably the youngest so that means the rest of the more older characters would be likely too old to even fight anymore. Sure you could explain it away by saving "they're all cybernetically enhanced" but that's quite a stretch for a group of random characters. This wasn't a good theory even before the movie came out.

[@connorscott-mcaliley2347]

Carbonite and bacta.

[@alujis]

0:03 everyone now: "what did you say?"

[@tyrh.6719]

Matpat: *Watches Rogue One* "GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!"

[@timcolasurdo8975]

Omg you can predict the future

[@eddiewarner4299]

Disney "crap he found out umm just kill them yeah" Matpat "umm wut"

[@thementallyasane7872]

Ha that’s probably what happened

[@roie.]

The Mentally Asane they died in the end of the movie

[@lukegrierson]

It seems we'll never see the original cut of Rogue One. It could have confirmed this theory. Gareth Edwards says in that version the characters survived.

[@Max-Blast_Media]

You gotta wonder. This channel's a treasure trove for storytellers, world builders and continuity checkers. I wouldn't be surprised if a few pros check this place now and again.

[@Amokra]

+eddie warner sometimes i wonder .. sometimes i wonder I think they really did :)

[@InimicalWit]

When this movie started, it was my thought: “Everybody in this movie’s going to die, right?” It just made sense. Episodes IV and VI describe how many people died for the intel, so …. And yeah (much like anyone associated with Jean-Baptiste Grenouille), that’s what we see: anyone who touched those plans ….. died.

[@Pl-iNK]

JJ: Makes Episode Seven The Knights of Rea: *exists* MatPat: *theorizing intensifies* Rain Johnson: Imma bout to ruin this man’s whole career.........three times.....

[@SpookyRecoil]

It's hilarious how they all actually end up dying. XD

[@SpookyRecoil]

But, what if they didn't die in the explosion?

[@thementallyasane7872]

Yea Matpat’s theory went down the drain

[@elvisthechef]

The movie could have let the main characters live and just send them to Alderan for some rest and relaxation.

[@JustinSison]

elvisthechef true

[@JustinSison]

ChrisBerriMC that could be possible.

[@yeeboiy4832]

"I suppose the easiest way to do it is to kill everyone, but is that really likely?" Ho ho Mattypatty that's what they did

[@yeeboiy4832]

Nvm i should have scrolled thru comments first befor i typed anyting

[@danieljackson8670]

MacYo _ LMAO

[@ericacardoza1771]

MacYo _ you right, they're all dead

[@yeeboiy4832]

Erica Cardoza yep but JAR JAR DIDNT DIE IN THE PREQUELS AHHGHH

[@CaptainWobbs]

Jar Jar didn't die in the prequels... #Jarjarbinksissnokeconfirmed

[@serenemountain6769]

In the Original Backstory by George Lucas, There was no Rogue One Team, There was only one Ex Empire Soldier named Kyle Katarn, Former Ex Stormtrooper who defected to the Rebellion... and eventually learned that he was Force Sensitive !

[@westonmarks925]

Matpat: makes theory. Rogue One Cast: guess we’ll die?

[@nickylam4129]

This theory sounds really legit, get ready for Disney to take it down!

[@Qwerty-xi2zs]

One of the people he says will become a Knight of Ren is confirmed to die.

[@paulmcgettigan9068]

Elderzeth died in the same way anakin died? He becomes someone else not die

[@lewispether2898]

Lord Swagnemite also the ages of the characters would be a hole in the theory

[@gamingrhek2329]

paul mcgettigan ?

[@DM-Raven]

They'd be way too old for the theory to work, you're talking about 60 to 70 year old people...

[@trigger-6670]

(distant laughing of people who watched Rouge One)

[@sick3795]

I just watched it and im super sad about this theory...

[@martinzivota171]

KCG TheOneAndOnly what happened there ? haven't seen

[@milkproductions8127]

kluk Awesome explosion by the Death Star

[@edwardgiles1970]

Trigger ??? 😂

[@sick3795]

Bonnie Girl But actualy there is some chance of them all surviving just like Vader did ik they went KABOOOM but maby they didnt...

[@balrighty3523]

A few months ago, I watched Mnemonic Man with Keanu Reeves and it was such a fascinating look at what we thought the future might hold. Wrong, but fascinating. Same thing here, though it was nice to go back to when we could have some small measure of faith in Disney's competence.

[@legoholic516]

I forgot about the optimism we all had before the release of the communal cesspool that was The Last Jedi

[@TheAres1999]

The Knights of Ren actually started as a D&D group with Kylo as their DM.

[@lordtallon5610]

TheAres1999 oh my god Yessss

[@samanthafitzgibbon8597]

Can I join?

[@serenemountain6769]

The Knghts of Ren Started when Gorge Lucas Sold is Company to Disney ... They never existed before ...

[@nadinefiedler627]

Really?

[@dogez9873]

This is officially my new favorite comment.

[@jonathandahlberg437]

But wouldn't the Rogue One team be *really* old in The Force Awakens?

[@jackh3570]

Jonathan Dahlberg exactly which is why they are all in suits and masks

[@livingfives3063]

there all in suits similar to darth vader. possibly life support

[@Emery6393]

Jonathan Dahlberg - they could have been frozen like Han also.

[@sakuradeva555]

Yes but when has being old stopped anyone in this series? i.e. Obi-wan, Darth Vader, Yoda, the Emperor, Luke now, Han Solo, Leia...

[@lycanwolfgaming4591]

Jonathan Dahlberg yeah he never did solve that one

[@sillylittlerainbowchild9504]

This is one of the coolest theories I've seen yet, and I'm 3 years late lol

[@voidistrash5040]

Yeah but it’s still really bad they would be like 70 by the time of the sequel trilogy

[@whateverthisis389]

They were kinda mentioned,in a Star Wars Comic(a Canon one)There was a attack by the Empire,but only 5 Mon Calamari ships escaped(I think),Luke decided to name the ships as”Rogue Squad”in honor of”Rogue One”

[@captaintaco2345]

I totally expected this theory to be true until everyone died.

[@ButcherGod]

Spectacular? That is the oldest fucking trope/cop out they could ever use! Killing everyone is just the laziest option they could have gone with, and of course that's what they did...

[@yehoshuasmith5608]

ButcherGod Not really. I mean, not only are they not in the original trilogy, but the act of stealing the death star plans WAS a suicide mission. Youre saying that them killing off A group of rebels with NO official orders going up against a galactic wide empire to steal the plans of a planet destroying death star is a lazy cop out? If anything, they shouldn't have succeeded at all. But they did and now we know how the rebels got the plans...

[@Taini-chan]

spoiler alert! geeez!!!!!

[@gamarcusm7219]

captaintaco2345 I really wanted it to be true

[@tempjohn3510]

Be honest here, if you watched this video and saw it resembled matpat's story, would you come out of the cinema room and be satisfied of the movie? i know i wouldn't, it would just be such a stretch to say they are the knights of ren bc it would be pretty lame to see a bunch of old farts behind those suits, (but it would explain why we dont see the knights, its bc they are at the retirement home in ep7).

[@newtpollution]

This is such a good freaking theory that it's painful how divergent canon is.

[@mahasinalislam2781]

Ssens0 devices at first 4 see e es 2

[@madide3978]

*Matpat:* says the Knights of Ren will play a big role in the 3rd trilogy *Disney:* well yes, but actually no

[@ellenfannin1530]

Matt Pat saying: no they won’t all die Disney: OK so they all die

[@whiterunguard3456]

if the Rogue One team are the Knights of Ren....... Wouldn't they be old af?

[@leenasanderson6739]

philip menton That is exactly what I thought. That would interfere with the theory, even though I love the idea. Maybe enhanced machine cyborg aka vader n general grievous?

[@teroknor1377]

Yes, unless you could freeze them... in carbonite, say?

[@ashmoleproductions5407]

philip menton humans in the star wars universe have access to rejuvenation tech they can easily live to 200 years.

[@lilpaulgaming9321]

leena Sanderson Matt is white and is always right

[@theehumanshield]

but freeze them in carbonate for 30+ years just to fill a plothole, i hope not

[@romanempire2304]

"They wouldn't just kill them, right?"-Matpat

[@connermax8243]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[@kellyhill1852]

Roman Empi

[@nickyyv2137]

Roman Empire I don't agree because he said that the girl in the new wars movie would be to old to be ray's mom so she would be to old to be part of the group right?

[@Phoenix-Neo]

Roman Empire yes, yes they would lol

[@chachafrog4425]

It's in her young age

[@mormanegan]

This is kinda solid theory we do see more of them in those of Skywalker and there all looked similar in side to side comparison so you may have actually guessed correctly mattpat

[@MovieFan1912]

0:45-0:49 The way MatPat says that line is pretty funny to me.

[@Kris-hk6wd]

After watching episode 8 I have only one sentence for u I appreciate your effort and Time in research

[@stanard_bearer]

I also appreciate bringing a better story than the last jedi

[@xAPHxHSx]

This is a pretty good theory! Would be a shame if Disney... Killed everyone in the cast~ 😈

[@bhromorrahman8513]

you know that it looks like all those characters died on scarif but remember that the empire has really badass lifesaving tech. it saved Darth Vader from third degree burns and dismemberment and also saved kylo ren from a blowing up Starkiller base

[@bipedleek241]

Capitaine I doubt it saves people from disintegrating planets

[@JackMcQ62]

CoffeeToffeeTwistyFrosty: they did, and that's why I hate it!

[@busterpegg7248]

CoffeeToffeeTwistyFrosty

[@xAPHxHSx]

Buster Pegg That's my name~

[@owenstewart1484]

There was a lot of reshoots and story changes in the production of rogue one so it could be completely possible that this was in the original story. This is a really cool theory and I wish it did happen

[@darklord884]

Watching this years later, it's ironically sad that this is an idea 1000 times better than them just all dying and the Knights of Ren being the comically incompetent fools they were.

[@ZFire2020]

I only remember they exist because of Lego Star Wars

[@xDagger]

I'm feeling a sense of deja vu back to the first star wars theory about a certain someone being evil.

[@finikksu]

MatPat really wants a main character to turn evil... again.

[@livingdeadmeme510]

haha, me too.

[@tranebur5450]

lmaoooo true

[@Xandypn]

That would be a better plot actually, but... what sealed this one for me was "The rogue" name.

[@FernandoAR760]

xDagger it's called a theory for a reason genius

[@jaschabull2365]

"It's not like the filmmakers will set up these guys only to have them all dead by episode IV." Ha. ha. ha ha ha. Though I guess maybe they were miraculously recovered, and the Knights' armour is similar to Vader's in terms of preserving their should-be-nonexistent lives? Then again, that would raise the question of why the Empire would save a bunch of rebels over their own allies. Like, yannow, Krennic, who, had he survived, could probably have warned the Empire about that exhaust pipe and had it safeguarded by episode IV.

[@jaschabull2365]

Wait, did the whole planet get destroyed? I thought the Empire decided not to send the planet the way of Alderaan, and instead only blast the site the rebels were on.

[@samwalters6170]

The planet wasn't destroyed, but there would be no surviving the blast, in the Rogue One novel the deaths of several people in Jedha city as instantaneous vaporization, along with the fact that all but two of them were dead already.

[@echogarbett2567]

That was an awesome explosion...

[@stephendumore4363]

I said "They do!" out loud when he said that.

[@hunybunbuny]

I laughed so hard at this xD

[@tokyodeathghoul2313]

Since this is so much better than what actually happened i wonder if all the reshooting ad re-editing done before release was to change the ending so it wouldn't have already been predicted. Just compare the trailers to what we saw in the final product.

[@uncommongamer6939]

Mattpatt: prequels are the worse Me from the future: well yes but no

[@benriopelle4568]

Little did he know, they all really did end up dying

[@le_frost5167]

Sokz Illustrated or did they ?

[@ricardososa7534]

Mtg_Boss5 they literally disintegrated

[@le_frost5167]

Lol

[@urubissoldat5452]

Do we know they know that or is all of the information we get the same info the rebels have which would mean they died when really they were captured and the Empire is hiding it. I mean the Star Wars series is always from the rebels point of view and on occasion they switch to the Empire's point of view but is it possible that we are seeing it through the eyes of the rebels and their spies?

[@HannaThomas-py3mo]

No spoilers!

[@KingCriticRules]

Wow, MatPat just isn't good at Star Wars theories. Luke was not evil in Episode VII and everyone died in Rogue One.

[@under_the_night_sky5380]

King Critic It's a theory, doesn't mean it's true.

[@conspiracy_risk7526]

To be fair, Luke didn't even say anything in VII. He probably got less than 60 full seconds of screen time; he could still be evil.

[@TheOrisya]

most of the trailers footages and monologue/dialogue were cut from the movie, I say mat theory is plausible if there were no reshoot :D

[@pizzagaming2256]

King Critic he is theorising nobody knows 100% what is going to happen in movies so he is just stating a plot line that may look like will happen

[@lionsvaliant5188]

King Critic hmmm I wonder why it's called a theory

[@shockerlight7244]

It would be cool if one of the people began to think the empire was only helping the galaxy and there was an epic fight between the two lead characters over their beliefs killing each other, and then the plans finally get scent to rebellion

[@thevendetta6891]

I came back to this video four years later just To have a really good laugh. I can’t believe I skimmed over this one and his part of everyone dying

[@jesse7912]

Watching this after Rouge One and The Last Jedi have come out but honestly its such a boss theory, really wish they didnt waste the opportunity for a baddass plot line

[@lukelcs8934]

Eh, can't say it was wasted, Rogue One was great BECAUSE they all died in the end, at least that was a really big part of the story. I don't entirely say I disagree with you though, Mats theory idea was REALLY cool, though I'm glad Rogue One turned out that way it did.

[@mika-leehendry3137]

Yeah same, I'm watching this 5ever after they both came out. They should hire Mat, it would've been so sick!

[@henryyancey1117]

Hey if they did it roque one wouldn’t be such a waste of time after all lol

[@kyleburns9439]

@@henryyancey1117 Honestly I thought Rogue One was a much better movie than the last two main trilogy movies. A little shoe-horning is better than dozens of abandoned plot lines and recycled ideas/characters in my opinion.

[@glebbokhan9777]

They should hire MatPat as their... whatever the title for the job where MatPat can use his wild theories to actually make logically consistent movies with great twists

[@nathan14568]

"I guess they could kill everyone, but is that really likely?" And... They died

[@zinser8734]

Nathan Craig or is it

[@OP-fj9vp]

Nathan Craig Disney was like oh really matpat hold my beer

[@venyanwarriorsoldaccount4068]

YUUUUUUP

[@cloudhazard2860]

Nathan Craig I wonder how pat reacted to everyone dying.

[@hannibalburgers477]

Nathan Craig force can make people alive again

[@jamesbarnicks4863]

You didn't know the ones who got the plans all died from the first movie? They legit say many lives were given to get these plans in New hope, so when Rouge one came out it was easy to assume they all die.

[@RedJet-bq6fq]

Rogue One and the Knights of Ren were amazingly cool

[@percythemartian314]

It’s 2019, the final installment came out and I watched it. I came home and decided to rewatch this video after the movie. They never do anything with the Knights of Ren and that bothers me. The knights of Ren were as important as stormtroopers. I wish this theory had been right.

[@wannesweuts5147]

@I Guess they also look nothing like the art for tfa they don't even have similar roles I wonder how Trevorrow's knights of Ren would have looked

[@ryanvasquez2914]

Yeah to me, it would be darker if the empire got their dead bodies and reprogrammed them to follow their orders and doing body modifications, making them stronger than they were before.

[@floop1108]

I think there was just way too much going on for them to be able to fit in another surprise in the final instalment. Perhaps they did have this story planned out, and maybe even several other side stories, but Disney just weren't able to fit it in.

[@PennyGraham]

Ironic how Matt debunked the Jyn is Reys mom theory by saying she's too old, then claims that this woman (who is too old to have a 20+ year old daughter) and her much older companions become the freaking Knights of Ren? Imagine, for a moment, these 70-80 year old people doing ANYTHING the knights of Ren are depicted doing

[@Draconicus702]

@@PennyGraham Honestly within Star wars, them being the knights would make more sense than her having a baby at that age. Because it'd hardly be a stretch to say after being captured and brain washed, they could have been experimented on and had their bodies be enhanced by the Empire. Ensuring their ages wouldn't effect their capabilities as soldiers. I mean just Look at General Grievous and Darth Vader.

[@darak229]

I actually really liked this theory, it's a shame they do end up dying at the end. Good work anyways Matpat.

[@declanhugors]

You were right about the Knights of Ren, but they came in the next episode instead.

[@JC-km2se]

Matpat : dispenses good advice Disney : No Ima ignore that an they all die

[@Zach_Henderson]

Matt pat: spends hours researching Rogue one: I’m about to end this mans whole career

[@ShawnieBelle]

"I'm 100% confident in saying that Jyn Erso is coming back in episode 8." Boy do I have some bad news for you

[@jacklajoie9126]

man, that was a cop-out

[@JayBirdTune]

jack lajoie what was?

[@jacklajoie9126]

Jasmine N. P. the ending to rogue one

[@damiankilsby277]

jack lajoie no it wasn't. No one really remembers this, but in episode 4 the rebelion stated that everyone (in rogue squadron) died.

[@coolkidschannel3472]

wolfkid right

[@Spittingfire666]

Coming from someone who watched Rogue One before watching this, I was grinning the whole time.

[@onliwankannoli]

Hahaha... just came across this video. Nope, nice theory, but... Hindsight and all. But... at the end as you described each Knight of Ren you had me going there for a sec...

[@OGEdger]

Spoiler: They put a bag on the head of the blind guy.

[@jtj1128]

Edgar Garcia Oh that was a great moment

[@Willbatross_]

Edgar Garcia "Are you kidding me?! I'm blind!"

[@LemonsInMinecraft]

The whole theater laughed at that part.

[@josephvasquez6678]

Spoiler The droid wants a blaster.

[@ducksanddoodles6917]

Edgar Garcia they all die

[@js8281]

God dang this is waaaaaay too solid of a theory. Some of them feel a little bit forced but WOW

[@js8281]

I pretty much believe this to happen now

[@theduskmonarch6207]

Agreed

[@drdubstep9275]

A flock of Goons WTF EVEN IS YOUR ICON!!!?!?!???!?!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[@sithlorddread8721]

A bit "forced" huh?

[@DracoMagnius]

+Grand Moff Olaf Well I mean there's a droid on the team not mentioned in this theory right? My money's on him dying if this theory pans out.

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

2:46 yeah I'll give you some "Rogue squadron", Del Miko and not to mention Admiral Raddus they named a ship after him but this comment is irrelevant because this was posted 3 years ago