Film Theory: Titanic is about Time Travel... No REALLY!

[@theblaze5530]

Writers: Make a mistake and reference things that didn't exist back in 1912 MatPat: Time Travel it is!

[@crossyright9493]

Yeah... as much as i like hearing theories, this one is a little too much. Just like Ness

[@LeoStaley]

James Cameron was *obsessed* with accuracy. All of these "mistakes" were about Jack, and all of them were future-centric anachronisms. I personally think it's because rose just made him up.

[@alalalala57]

I still remember when theorists knew how to have fun.

[@elijah6852]

@@alalalala57 Right? People take this stuff way too seriously. Matpat has said before that oftentimes, his theories are made just because they're fun. Not all of his theories are made to be believed. People don't get that.

[@jaydenjewett3796]

Come on man the ness theory was just awesome plain and simple awesome

[@parthbansal2775]

Internet : Jack is actually an imagination of Rose because she wanted a coping mechanism Matpat : That's outrageous Internet : Okay Matpat : He was actually a Time Traveller

[@NathanM72641]

That's are mattpat

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

I actually like this theory a lot more

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

@Michael yeah I agree

[@vincevandensteen2490]

I want to like but it’s at 666 likes so......

[@Coolbk17]

@@NathanM72641 I was the 10th like

[@Eliezer3838]

I love how this went to talking about Titanic, Jack being a Time Traveler, and an alternate history lesson about World War One.

[@pyrotf2245]

Shut

[@lukeedwardb.castillo1332]

MatPat would be a good alt historian using references from movies or games lol

[@Dabeggu]

Just a normal day in the theory channels

[@lukeedwardb.castillo1332]

@@Dabeggu XD

[@fusososososo3507]

Except that Germany surrendered because their empire suffered a coup, not because they were losing.

[@Arandohistorian202]

I think it’s very very important to mention that the German navy HAD a reason to sink the Lusitania because there was apparently ammunition and weapons aboard the Lusitania and the Germans basically said “oh that’s a cargo ship carrying stuff to supply our enemies” so the U-Boat sank the Lucy other then that the German Navy (to my knowledge) didn’t sink any other ocean liners on their regular routes carrying paying passengers

[@BuckClucks]

They had a reason, but it was in breach of International Law the way the attack was carried out. You had to ask the merchant ship for boarding permission to check for war material, and if you found material the ship had to be scuttled and all civilians onboard rescued, or if close to shore, put into life boats and they can make it to shore. Germany attacking the Lusitania never even said that a attack was coming. And it was also a guess whether or not the ship was carrying war material. And in the future Germany sank many civilian ships that had no war material on board.

[@anonymouschicken20]

Wow, it's very logical to think that typical American and British civilian ships carried spies and secret supplies. Most ships sank because of that hypothesis would've been mistakes, but Lusitania just happened to actually carry spies and secret supplies. The Germans just had a lucky hit that time...

[@inyourhousern]

didn’t they sink it because it was in the same warzone the titanic was going into and they had no way of knowing that there was war materials inside

[@famicomnintendo]

They published articles in american newspapers warning people it was risky to get on that ship. Still a war crime but the us should have done more to protect the people who got on the lusitania

[@Dragonette666]

@@famicomnintendo that's how the US goes to war, we put people in harms way pulling BS that we wouldn't tolerate ourselves and then act mortified when the "enemy" does what the US would have done in the same position.

[@aaronemerson8049]

Bonus Theory: Jack actually told Rose that he was a time traveler and instead of dying, he moved on to a different timeline. Rose made up his death to protect his secret.

[@bandotaku]

I like this theory! Also, maybe she actually did end up with him, but he was under a different name.

[@crizmixakaghostyboi2965]

Very clever

[@stealthbeatle4945]

And then jack met the doctor in WWII when an alien healing microbe was transforming everyone into gas mask wearing zombies

[@helenaluk5752]

that makes a hole lot of sence

[@jesslouise1556]

this deserves more clout

[@shaminresandu8771]

This time travelling Jack concept would have been a brilliant plot for a Titanic part 2 movie

[@lauramillan6298]

Bruh! I still want it even though Leo is fairly old for the role😩.

[@jamestomato1744]

Just because we could, doesn't always mean we should (especially with something like the Titanic, I feel it should just be left alone).

[@shaminresandu8771]

@@jamestomato1744 yeah ur right too

[@entity_unknown5289]

finally i got a 666th like

[@PokeTheMysticJelly]

690 likes? Ima ruin this man's whole career...

[@uncleflagzz]

Everyone: chilling Matpat out of freaking nowhere: *_How MINECRAFT lore connects to the assassination of JFK_*

[@omegalightning5715]

I expect this at this point

[@theoctopus5343]

DONT GIVE HIM IDEAS

[@j.c.ingledue6553]

I don't think... wait.... I kinda wanna see this now

[@baylorwuzhere]

MatPat you know this is true!

[@rjayeda1]

THIS ARTIST IS NEXT UP!🚨kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XTnYt9d9mei5o

[@Sundeath41]

Jack: It was a canon event Miquel: you see that boy, I raised him

[@Denji350]

😂

[@kobaltblueknight]

So, I was thinking about this movie recently; and while I do wish Jack and Rose could have lived happily ever after, I think Jack's death was necessary. Not for Rose, but for the audience. As time goes on, the disaster becomes more and more just a footnote in history, detached from the actual trauma of the event. We can look back at the reports of the sinking, and all the death, and realize how horrible it must have been; but it is still just numbers to us. By the time the movie came out, the Titanic had been at the bottom of the ocean for more than 80 years already. Very few survivors were left alive, and for most people; several generations separated them from the wreck. I think having Jack, the charming co-lead of the movie die, after we spent so much time getting attached to not only his character, but also his growing relationship with Rose; was meant to be the emotional punch necessary to make the wreck feel real to us in the modern world. Seeing their adventures aboard the liner, you really began to root for the couple. If it were any other movie, they likely would have gotten their happy ending. But Cameron wanted us to feel the loss, even a little bit, that the survivors and family of those lost aboard the ship felt; by taking this character from us, just inches from the finish line. In that way, Jack is meant ot be a stand in for everyone who lost their lives in the disaster.

[@baqcasanke]

Well said

[@SpudOfWar]

Never would have considered this, thank you for pointing this out.

[@robogreek3157]

Of coarse it was necessary.... It represented the stories that were lost in time. The whole point of the plot

[@willow_de_mori3754]

Never thought of this before, but that is very true. Well put and thought out.

[@vardell9409]

Agreed, well said

[@daviddamasceno6063]

They could make an entire new movie about all Jack's failed attempts to keep Rose alive.

[@N0N0111]

Edge of Tomorrow style :D

[@SalemMP4]

It is the choice of steins gate!

[@arealisticbeautystandard8920]

That would be amazing

[@LVrJ100]

Like The Ground Hog day.

[@caseyyy4785]

yeah like groundhog day x happy death day

[@sarveshbhagwat9045]

Imagine being James Cameron and watching this where he made a few mistakes and a guy makes a theory about time travel.

[@alterego9618]

I’m sure he would like it lol

[@leoaceves2652]

@@alterego9618 True

[@yizao9289]

@@alterego9618 he would probably love it

[@fullliquorbar8829]

@@alterego9618 Yea(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)

[@nateavery2875]

Exactly

[@jaysonjolin563]

When this movie was out in theaters and "My Heart Will Go On" was on infinite replay on every radio station, my local station released a hilarious version of the song where, instead of being interspersed with audio clips from the movie, it was interspersed with audio clips from Airplane. I absolutely loved that version. I wish I could find a copy.

[@Anwelei]

Omg I would love to hear that 😂😂😂

[@Psychetwo]

I feel like MatPat can make a great Lawyer. He's very good at spinning things. Most likely James Cameron and the film crew just made a mistake, but MatPat can convince us all that this was intentional and that Jack is a time traveler!

[@pallavimenon6299]

This is exactly what I was thinking 😂😂

[@9ightdreamer]

MatPad kinda has that kind experience in some way so its kinda possible lol. _Wait! Dont start a theory-_ *BUUUUT HEEEY! THATS JUST A THEORY, A MATPAD THEORY!*

[@zeuxlaught2797]

nah considering the fact that all the time travel elements are related to jack and no one else on that ship does say its very intentional.

[@Dig_Duke_SFM]

@@9ightdreamer *THANKS FOR READING*

[@9ightdreamer]

@@Dig_Duke_SFM Lmao

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

the Time Traveler wasn't Jack Dawson... it was actually Leonardo Dicaprio... he travelled back in time to sink the ship so they can hire him to make a movie about it thus making him famous

[@maggotsinyourshoes]

Hmmmmm

[@seanpurdom6380]

But... He was a famous child actor? He was already famous.

[@ghost35789]

NOW THAAAAATS A THEORY

[@AAAAAA-eg6pe]

@@seanpurdom6380 Yeah, but he wouldn't have been a famous child actor if Hollywood wasn't created... Nor would he have had his big break in Titanic if the Titanic hadn't sunk.

[@scarlex8721]

Thats what matpat at the end of the video...

[@Skellyender]

so this is why teachers don’t like students asking “what if” questions

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

Ah yes a fellow intellectual

[@chaz2187]

They’ll immediately change the subject just to avoid ‘what ifs?’

[@BrotherTheory]

Indeed lol. You are BRILLIANT, SkellyEnder :)

[@NinjaCreeper-yx3tl]

Nice

[@itsasecret4451]

I used to do so many “what if’s” that my teachers just answered with “why?”

[@RMS_Titanic_1912-WhiteStarLine]

1:58 The Titanic didn’t take 3hr 14m to sink but the 1912 scenes in the movie was the same time it took titanic to sink.

[@mythicmud837]

I love how matpat takes his theorist pills and is like “Okay Jack is a time traveler and the Lorax is a type of bear”

[@ICTON123]

And in Food Theory "So you can eat your entire Christmas Tree"

[@idontknowimebored77]

And we love him for it

[@alaiaomanu6318]

wolverine grunting kzbin.info/www/bejne/on-ZiqV7q7Fjbrs

[@dont6927]

Don't read my profile picture 😊 .

[@idontknowimebored77]

@@dont6927 okay I wont

[@dezs.5202]

James Cameron: *fails history class* MatPat: “Obviously it was time travel”

[@zerlichr426]

It's more complicated then that. Rose just don't remember it correcly. She is over 100 years old, and trust me with how time can affect brain no wonder there is some anachronistic's in this. I know Mat prefers to make it zebras rather then horses, but it's much simpler that she doesn't remember it correcly and make up blanks in her memory. Because human mind doesn't remember anything at all, it just recall HOW we remember that event. That's why mandela effect or deja vu exist. It is how your brain alter your memory because more time passes and more blurry that memory is. It's like old magnetic tapes. The more you play them the less charge they have, and more distroted they get. On that note how does she remember him going with that bag. I mean why we have perspective of ANYONE other that Rose IN HER MEMORY.

[@chao6890]

@@zerlichr426 uhuh....

[@Someone-is4lx]

@@zerlichr426 or maybe the writers wrote a time travel story

[@ICTON123]

@@zerlichr426 He knows that, it's just way too fun to overthink things

[@zerlichr426]

@@ICTON123 I know but as someone said in medical field when watching doctor house "you always think horses before zebras". Aka first simple solution then complicated one. And Mat just like throw first theory the most complicated one there is

[@Emily-iy9mr]

This felt like a big English lecture where the author accidentally said something that doesn't match and your English teacher is now like "It's on purpose, what does it mean?"

[@bellamyseals831]

100th like :))

[@MikaylaROL]

It really does feel like this 😂

[@estrellaescobar5723]

Honestly, the Titanic had more than 20 continuity "errors". It could be a coincidence, since the movie had so many details that is almost insane to check all, but also makes you think how is posible that nobody notice before things that are so obvious. I mean, is not like is details that happens in the background for 0.3 seconds.

[@Phantom7251]

jpnewpic88.men xxx

[@sanjanaakotyada4753]

I love how this went from “Titanic dude is a time traveller” to “World War I History lesson (with mathematical statistics” Like, I just came home from school, let me chill dude!

[@jackdawson3288]

Dammit Rose, I told you not to tell them!

[@stingraymaster9168]

Why didn't he build 90's?

[@68222]

Dang, it billy

[@notsocuteotaku8662]

they don't believe her anyways, you good 🙄

[@potatoslayer69420]

Well met Weary time traveller. . . . . . I have to ask you something though Is there going to be! *Drumroll* A decent season of game of thrones? Or *Drumroll again* Will tf2 still be alive in 30 years from now?

[@adhiraajsingh517]

@@potatoslayer69420 *blast beat* wtf did i read?

[@bibbo3167]

Fun Fact: after Jack froze to death, he becomes Jack Frost, as seen in “rise of the guardians”

[@jaxonellbelurin472]

🤯

[@OrangeLordThe14th]

@@jaxonellbelurin472 what he said

[@moscow9394]

That sounds like some cheap director would do

[@OrangeLordThe14th]

It's over anakin I have the high ground

[@moscow9394]

@@OrangeLordThe14th this is the 2000th anakin comment ive seen in 23 youtube videos today and im not surprised

[@Enraged.]

I love how it went from “Jack made sure the Titanic sank” to “America could have lost the war.”

[@Nostra.Damus14]

Do you love it though?

[@themusther161]

@@Nostra.Damus14 i do

[@The_Irish_Rover]

Spoilers

[@DarthAxolotl]

@@The_Irish_Rover if you don't want spoilers don't read the comments during the video

[@Shimanas527]

@@The_Irish_Rover comments are for people who wached the video if you didnt knew

[@EmYli8463]

The ‘wait… time travel?’ followed by the knock-off music is really amusing for some reason😂

[@NoSou1L]

The ship sank because Rose is asserting dominance over the ship with the T-Pose. And jack is trying to hold her back.

[@TheRealWoopSlap]

I'm weak also I feel challenged by the thumbnail

[@kikuoisthebestandnoonecant1915]

lmao

[@NoSou1L]

"Don't let go jack" that has new meaning lol

[@MovedToPhilippinesballvolt]

XDDDD

[@DanielLovesArt]

Matpat: "Because Jack's a good time traveller, leaves no evidence of his existence behind." seconds later... Matpat: "If he didn't exist, who drew that sexy time picture?"

[@c.d.5746]

hmmmmmm

[@LaserBeem]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[@jonulrick4353]

Did he sign it?

[@DanielLovesArt]

@@jonulrick4353 good question, don't know, but it's still technically a sign of his existence.

[@dtavs_exe]

It wasn't signed, it would have been attributed to anyone. In fact even if Jack wasn't real we could say that the picture was commissioned by Rose's fiance.

[@hvallois7149]

Counter theory: jack is actually James Cameron, he travels back in time to save rose so she eventually drops her very expensive neckless into the sea, he is waiting under the water in scuba gear to nab the necklace and make big money off it

[@AdoboSoGuud]

But if he stayed in the ocean, wouldn't he be catching hypothermia and die? It'll take him long to dive down to catch the necklace.

[@jonbojsenkvrndrup8180]

He got picked up by his personal submarine and brought back to life just like in the Abyss. HIS NAME IS JAMES CAMERON! dumdumdumdum

[@devinewolfe1906]

The real kicker is he used the money from the necklace to fund the movie. 🤯

[@yourgrandad4882]

I read this as James Cameron? Wtf edit: I MEANT DAVID CAMERON.

[@BrotherTheory]

That's BRILLIANT, Small Man :)

[@TheNerdyRambler]

Another reason why jack saved rose was that its a destined time event (meaning time is written so well that the thing you would do if you went back in time has already happened so when you go back your just following history)

[@H-MAN-yn3ok]

Does anyone else think right after jack went under water he was like “mission accomplished” and just zapped away into the future

[@derekstein6193]

Que Quantum Leap theme.

[@TRTheIronFist]

yep

[@generalkenobianimations]

But Leo, what about your acting career? "Acting? Where we're going, I don't have an acting career!"

[@LaneCorbett]

Much hugging, High fives, Drinking, and Ravelry were had at mission Control

[@CasualAviationEnthusiast]

🤔🤔🤔

[@leosong829]

Directors: make a few insignificant timeline mistakes Matpat: And then the world gets taken over by germany!!!

[@challenger8bit572]

Or walking arcade machines

[@Marin_Karin]

It's mildly infuriating that you can make butterfly theories on anything and if you planned it well it can truly make sense.

[@RasmusVJS]

@@challenger8bit572 Phineas and Ferb reference?

[@challenger8bit572]

@@RasmusVJS not really just a random thought

[@RasmusVJS]

@@challenger8bit572 Huh, if I had a dollar for every time someone mentioned the world being taken over by walking machines, I would have 2 dollars. It's not a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.

[@Xan-Man]

If mattpat was a lawyer he would convince the whole court room that the defendant was an alien from another dimension that came to earth for our vast supply of exotic butters.

[@Racc_craft]

I can see that actually happening

[@ultimapower6950]

Yeah and fail miserably

[@joannaosullivan9170]

Trillions of aliens have attempted to invaded us for them. Thankfully, Obama

[@HBender]

That’s just Saul Goodman

[@miraculousmongoose]

and he'd win

[@re9246]

Fun fact: the reason it was released December 19th, was because it’s original release date was December 12th. But Scream 2 released December 12th, and it was so anticipated that the studio pushed Titanic’s release a week later

[@lynn-vn8xw]

i wish it was released dec 12 it would’ve been on my birthday

[@FwMaz]

happy very vERY VERYYYYYYYYY VERY late birthday.

[@lorimaupas3712]

Everyone: he wanted to save her Matpat: jacks a time traveler

[@BrotherTheory]

Love it! You are actually BRILLIANT, Lori Maupas :)

[@rhoydplaz2853]

Hahahah

[@generichomosapien4666]

Didnt the past already happen? why would he want to change the past and create a new timeline while trying to prevent creating a new timeline??????

[@krievv]

@@generichomosapien4666 Maybe he came from a different timeline where the US had joined the war early. So if he sank the ship that brought the country into the war, why not?

[@Silentgrace11]

@@generichomosapien4666 I mean, when it comes to time travel this just becomes a pile of endless possibilities. Jack could have previously thought, "Well, what if I can save these thousands of people?" and had gone back in time to manipulate the boat's trajectory? What if this led to him taking some actions which led to Rose wanting to jump off the ship? Then, upon returning to his time, he realized he effed up and that he had to find some way to resolve the issue. And then wibbley wobbley timey wimey stuff occurs. Or this, and or that. The problem with time travel theories is that they can basically talk themselves into a circle of obscurity. They're still fun to think about though ;)

[@Cesus11]

scriptwriter: didn't study carefully the timeline of stuffs said in the movie Film Theory: *time travel*

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@bradek2792]

Yeah I thought of that right away

[@GayAnnabeth]

what I see this as an absolute win

[@BobBob-zg5lz]

The Titanic Writers after realizing their poor research: “Heheheh... yeah... time travel.... sure...”

[@deadsoldiertr]

@@sekoseko1147 f off

[@Telcrem]

@@sekoseko1147 stop this and get a life.

[@teabsaesae9870]

Plot twist: it wasn't poor research

[@ericschultz4004]

Let's not forget the whole story was told from a 101 year old Rose's perspective. A 101 year old who is about to die at the end of the movie could easily confuse Lake Wissota and Santa Monica Pier as something Jack said. I believe that could be a clue as to where Rose did most of her ice fishing later in life and the pier as something Rose definitely visited in the horseback picture between 1917-1923. Same thing with "Molly" Brown. She confused Brown's name she went by on the Titanic with the name she heard for years and years after the sinking just as she confused actually doing the activities with something Jack actually said.

[@tqsuited]

That's a great analysis, I've never considered that before. She couldn't remember all those tiny details accurately like 80+ years later.

[@ericschultz4004]

@@tqsuited I think James Cameron might have purposefully ignored some of those details in order to make the story more of a feel of one coming from an actual 101 year old. And now that you mentioned something, I could dive further into a lot of the internet hating on Rose as a "selfish {you know what}" and bring up what I really think happened in the story. I think Cal was just a really cool guy who might just be a victim of heartbreak and the stories of him chasing her with a gun might be over exaggerated. What might be perceived as a love story by Cameron might actually be disguised as a story about a spoiled rotten person. I don't know anymore. I guess I'm just speaking just to hear myself speak now, haha

[@glitchyoliver3669]

Matpat is like a literature teacher He legit theorist about things that the director couldn't have thought of.

[@Various_forms_of_Doormamu]

Yeah but that’s the best part about lit teachers, that’s the best part about literature as a whole. If you can substantiate your theory with evidence, you can’t completely disprove it.

[@foux7061]

Except we come here because we're entertained, not because we have to.

[@basedhalo]

​@@Various_forms_of_Doormamu Well the ww1 theory is kinda not accurate. Titanic had 2 identical sister ships Olympic and Britannic and when the war broke they were taken by the British government and Olympic has been made into troop transport and Britannic was made into a hospital ship. If titanic would survive, it would probably also be refited as a troop transport. And that would mean that if it would be sunk, there wouldn't be any American passengers on board and US wouldn't join the war early.

[@ic236]

movie: has a bunch of continuity timeline errors firm theory: TIME TRAVELLER

[@xxdinobest848]

Don't click it's a bot

[@someloser8640]

I love firm theory

[@domiofthenorth4911]

Firm theory? Nah, I like my theories soft, homie

[@monke4476]

@@xxdinobest848 did u say click?

[@Xzlibur]

Yes FIRM theory

[@omershaik6374]

James cameron: doesn't check for anachronisms. Matpat: *it's free theory fodder*

[@sekoseko1147]

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[@bredbear9093]

@@sekoseko1147 Ooops... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIDQdZt_ZdyAZsU

[@Polopony20.]

🤣 you got double! I love it!

[@willywonkapants7963]

69 likes

[@Marin_Karin]

This guy gets it.

[@christophercole8114]

Interesting theory indeed. But what I really want to know is how did Rose know details of conversations she had no direct or indirect access to? Conversations such as those between Captain Smith and his officers? The wireless operators? The lookouts? The events of 1912 are told from her first hand knowledge, right? So unless she's just adding in details of history outside of her recollections, how is it that these are part of the movie?

[@rhiannehamad2269]

It's a movie ig

[@Levyathyn]

It was still a story. She probably slid those details that she had found out over the course of the rest of her life into the story seamlessly, for the narrative, and at some point forgot that she didn't know them at the time.

[@arjuntomer9777]

Mat: Jack is a time traveler New viewers: NO WAY!! OG viewers: You ain't seen nothing yet

[@paragon2622]

Ain't ain't a word because I said it ain't.

[@paulamcinnes9405]

@@paragon2622 lol

[@randomkid-0-473]

Im an OG viewer but i was like: 😐 noice

[@paragon2622]

@@randomkid-0-473 Nice, I've never seen Titanic.

[@Moved506]

I'm a veiwer from when the channle started and i'm suprised.

[@saichandra1360]

I am imagining James Cameron smiling in peace because someone finally understood his movie

[@jacobhofius2528]

Isn’t he still alive?

[@kehlercreations]

@@jacobhofius2528 Does the original comment imply that he is not?

[@nathan9901]

@@jacobhofius2528 ok but thats exactly what i thought when i read this comment 🤣

[@Cozmicsaber]

@@kehlercreations yeah it does or at least that's the impression I got. I even googled it to see if dead.

[@speakofthedevil3216]

@@kehlercreations not technically but I had the same thought. I think it has something to do with the use of the words "peace" and "finally", since they are usually associated with death, especially when used in the same sentence.

[@rynvail521]

This week on Game Theory: MatPat makes us wonder what horrific disaster the time travelers are preventing by letting 2020 play out.

[@johnmichael8462]

OHohhhhh.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154]

@@johnmichael8462 yeah yeah We already know how to turn pdf into Word

[@blueturkey95]

Another plague? COVID's forcing humanity to advance their research on diseases and stuff. If COVID weren't happening the next pandemic could've been *MUCH* worse.

[@mixedbaggamer]

@@blueturkey95 preventing the zombies rather than causing them

[@kylerivera3470]

@@blueturkey95 Maybe there is some big war that would have happened if all the countries were healthy, but didn't happen because all the countries (or most at least) were bust dealing with the pandemic.

[@the_glitter_is]

The search for Rose delay would have also resulted in them most likely being in the iceberg area at day instead of night, making it easier to avoid.

[@nadavloss1103]

Someone: lets build a boat Matpat 100 years later: the movie about your boat has time travel

[@coolio3267]

*cough* *cough* actually it's a 108 soon to be a 109 years

[@NewYorxer]

@@coolio3267 Happy birth/death day TITANIC?

[@BrotherTheory]

That's AWESOME! You are THE BEST, Nadav Loss :)

[@artemisamory]

movie: has historical inaccuracies film theory: TIME TRAVEL

[@Mystic_Stirling]

*“Aliens”*

[@samskordi6079]

True lol

[@patricklee7241]

😂 spot on. Plus, this theory isn't new. I heard this theory 20 years ago.

[@SooClassy]

@Patrick Lee youtube wasn’t a thing 20 years ago

[@OMGoobero]

@@patricklee7241 what were you on that saw that?

[@ChengTeoh]

Jack could be a time traveler, but it is much more likely that the people who worked on the movie had some errors in researching. But I do like the tangent you took with Jack being a time traveler changing history to save more lives in the future. [ This reminds me of that time where people thought that an unreleased footage from a 1928 Charlie Chaplin film showed a time-traveling woman in the background walking while appearing to talk on a cell phone. ] [ Just imagine if the Hindenburg didn't explode, would we all be flying on rigid airships? ] [ Added note on 1/10/2021 - not really new to the channel, been a sporadic viewer ever since MatPat hosted "The Runner" ... I was that person who won some monetary prizes from doing sketches of each team in the game ;) - those were fun days. but back to the point, i am fully aware of the style of theorizing Matpat does but most of the times there is a thread of in-world evidence and logic to back up his main point ... this one just seemed a bit lacking. I'd imagine that if he wanted to he could also craft a similar "Time-traveler" theory based upon some of the in-world time inaccuracies in Wonder Woman 1984 ;) ]

[@IceMetalPunk]

You're new here, aren't you?

[@vidlink]

Wasn't that an old fashioned hearing aid she was using in that film?

[@griff1240]

Yeah not time travel just people getting it wrong lmao

[@hart1027]

@@vidlink it was a glasses case I think

[@ida586]

This is MatPat were talking about. He would find every error in every movie and make a video out of it

[@pickle.planet]

It actually took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink. NOT 3 hours and 14 minutes.

[@magicfish8213]

Fine, I'll time travel to prolong the sinking

[@Moonlight_0419]

​@@magicfish8213 Bruh 💀

[@JustAGun_]

I don't know what I want more: for it to be a legitimate mistake in writing that matpat has turned into something amazing, or that the titanic was a secret sci-fi movie this whole time and nobody noticed.

[@davidtucker9498]

I'd rather it be the second, bit it's obviously the first...

[@miraculouscrazy924]

Ok I think that in the future time travel will exist and this will happen

[@GigglingBug1564]

@@miraculouscrazy924 I’m really hoping it does

[@pedrocaetano950]

@@miraculouscrazy924 Time travel isn't possible and never will be. Or else people from the future would've already visited us

[@miraculouscrazy924]

@@pedrocaetano950 Maybe it's very complicated thus very very very very very Expense so Only people with Missions do it . Maybe we see time travelers but they Blend in

[@fqidz]

Writers who just made a mistake: Yeah, this theory is true 100%. Totally wrote it like this yep.

[@DayZeroChannel]

Every story i have ever written (even in class) always has a deeper meaning that goes far beyond a normal viewers comprehensive abilities. Now give James Cameron a few hundred millions dollars.. a few of these probably sneak into the films 🎥

[@kaspertheshepherd3010]

@@DayZeroChannel epic

[@farelrajwa1300]

The writter problably just made a small no attention to detail considering that it was the 1990 and information was much much limited but i would still take credit for the fan theory

[@mighty_polar_bear3786]

The research team that was supposed to keep everything time- appropriate : 😰

[@mighty_polar_bear3786]

@Alfred Richmond Ruff I watched it and found it interesting (and I believe there’s a small chance maybe the directer possibly meant this), but I don’t have to agree with him to enjoy his videos.

[@swhawk]

Bruh, it's pretty impressive how simply finding random anachronisms in the movie lead you into doing this theory about Jack preventing a future where the US lost WWI.

[@sharker5000]

But it’s entertaining! And in the end, isn’t that half the goal of the channel?

[@vain9137]

That’s just matpat bro

[@fernandomarco295]

Nice theory in the end, but normally TFT admits when some of the clues (read: all, in this case) could have just been flaws missed by the script supervisors. Also, yeah, terminator 1&2 have time travel... BUUUUT... Piranha 2, Aliens, The Abyss and Avatar do not :P

[@kevinw712]

Here's the first thing I go to though: so, the posit is that in Jack's original timeline, the Titanic never crashes and sinks. So what his entire mission would boil down to is knowing EXACTLY where a particular iceberg will be in specific moment to make sure the boat hits it. Unless you're saying that he was taking several different trips beforehand to scout where all the icebergs were in the Atlantic, it's not like there's available information in the future on the coordinates of icebergs from the past.

[@basedhalo]

Well the ww1 theory is kinda not accurate. Titanic had 2 identical sister ships Olympic and Britannic and when the war broke they were taken by the British government and Olympic has been made into troop transport and Britannic was made into a hospital ship. If titanic would survive, it would probably also be refited as a troop transport. And that would mean that if it would be sunk, there wouldn't be any American passengers on board and US wouldn't join the war early.

[@JamesGilman-y4f]

Mat Pat can make a theory on anything

[@AgnesBooth-zu7tw]

Could he is no longer on bussines

[@rosesareredvioletsblue5438]

Movie creator: **makes historical inaccuracies in his movie** MatPat: _t i m e t r a v e l_

[@nerotoxin0661]

@@alanwalkers9646 bruh

[@BrotherTheory]

I love him so much! You are BRILLIANT, Eleonora :)

[@colmlooney5843]

Maybe not inaccuracies but rather inconsistencies in storytelling. This is rose telling the story after all

[@emeraldkoala2]

Yeah, but would you watch a fifteen minute video on tiny historical inaccuracies in Titanic?

[@itachiuchiha6912]

@gmail.com

[@xxliquidnsolidxx648]

Are we all gonna ignore the fact that the sinking of the Titanic saved millions of lives because it lead to some new safety requirements on passanger ships like enough lifeboats or better communication and warning between ships?

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@deadpossm2488]

Gotta break a break a few eggs to make an omelet as they say

[@Jack-sf9zo]

While you arent wrong even if titanic diddnt sink there would likely be an incident that would happen to cause these changes anyway, an example even possibly being lusitania, considering the death tole she had even when there were enough lifeboats

[@MrMissingnin44]

Imagine having enough lifeboats. ....

[@rumstun1121]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIXOhJ6dh7OojJo

[@flare0080]

So the takeaway here is that JonTron was right when he said "I don't think it was the iceberg that killed all those people -- I think it was Jack."

[@HexZ_]

JonTron literally living in the 5th dimension

[@youcan_change_handle_3june_]

jontron name is superbly ez to remember

[@Isaiah_Robotics]

11:33 details early in this part should be mentioned,is Britannic which got blown up by a mine

[@fareskaoueche3810]

The Titanic : Goes near the iceberg The Iceberg : «And i took that personally»

[@aalayareddy4809]

313 likes and no replies? Abnormal.

[@fareskaoueche3810]

@Ta'Maira Leventry ✌️Of course it IS good enough , Hope you have a good day , or night ✌️

[@clintonclements6145]

lmaooooo

[@SpooxX]

Alternative title: Matpat roasts Titanic's continuity issues for 16 minutes straight lol

[@that_kaii]

Xd

[@Single_penguin]

@@shells7766 shut up

[@Luthorharkon917]

@@shells7766 okay

[@fidel7428]

Who you guys talkin to?

[@Single_penguin]

@@fidel7428 a spammer

[@tarynbarker2107]

Alternatively: Rose is misremembering some of the things Jack said in her old age.

[@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate]

That’s a lot more likely but a lot less fun

[@0428733]

makes no sense, she wasn't present when Jack won the ticket, so the movie is not a recolection of her memories.

[@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate]

@@0428733 what if Jack told her about it but we didn’t see it in the movie?

[@GGmanlife]

@@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate well that would be convenient…

[@retrokoh]

@@GGmanlife But also plausible. What's more, is that we could be seeing those scenes the way she may have been imagining them occurring. That, or someone should've broken the 4th wall and asked the classic question: "How do you know about the parts you weren't there for?"

[@Urban_Lab369]

I think this the BEST theory you ever made and I haven't even seen the actual film :)

[@discordsmorgan2023]

*The people who made those mistakes in the script/costuming:* Write that down, write that down!

[@fikrijuanda6321]

Would be great adaptation for Titanic 2

[@name.255]

the Williamson turn was discoverd in 1943, soooooo...... shut up mat

[@bxdanny]

@@name.255 The Williamson turn was NAMED for someone who used it in 1943. But it was used before that, just wasn't called that. Wikipedia says it was used in the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05.

[@will-oftheconvictionsforge]

@@bxdanny Thank ya man! ^_^

[@janecat8753]

Titanic: *Contains historical inaccuracies* MatPat: *Jack time travelled to make the moon landing happen*

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIbKlYCvi7KEgpI :-$

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

Don't click or you'll get hacked

[@nonbeliever5027]

@@uhtredofbebbanburg9568 thanks bro

[@realgreenaxolotlreactions1738]

And in one scene he kisses roses hand and says: “I saw that in nickelodeon, and ive always wanted to do it” NICKELODEON WASNT MADE UNTIL 1979

[@trollgelmfao5176]

He is a time traveler! I remember seeing him with a girl named Juliet

[@itsfridayhappyfriday1820]

🤯

[@trollgelmfao5176]

@@Boojum_Tree Read it Right, Leonardo plays Romeo

[@benjaminmenken5693]

I had to watch that for English class

[@trollgelmfao5176]

@@benjaminmenken5693 bruh same

[@LadyOnikara]

And as two royally born boys who interact with the aged Three Musketeers.

[@LeeEverett1]

I could see James Cameron watching this with the biggest smile on his face thinking: "Finally, after all these years someone gets it!"

[@oliviav.3565]

😄

[@guillermogutierrez710]

Could it be that Avatar is Titanic's sequel?

[@victorsamsung2921]

@@guillermogutierrez710 You mean that Jake is actually Jack's son or grandson? It's funny how they both share the same initial J. Wonder if Cameron did that on purpose.

[@user-ib1is7ny7r]

lmao listen james is a genius but he did not think that far 🤣

[@adeebzayan4689]

@@victorsamsung2921 aahh now i see the pattern

[@raphaelcestari272]

MatPat: JACK IS A TIME TRAVELER LOOK AT ALL THESE HISTORICALLY INACCURATE THINGS IN THE MOVIE! The people who worked on the movie: Yeah..... Definetly on purpose.....

[@ashply4306]

Yeahh I was thinking of the same thing😂

[@VietnamKermit]

Kola Bright what does that have to do with this though?

[@Vortex-fz7br]

More fun though

[@Phantom7251]

jpnewpic88.men xx

[@BonesofSmite]

Interestingly enough, despite the sinking being a huge tragedy, it did have some positives. International maritime law was changed, stating that every ship had to have enough life boats for every passenger on board. Felt like mentioning it.

[@Yetaxa]

I feel like that's a big reason *why* it's such a famous tragedy. That it made clear a bunch of outdated regulations, about lifeboats, conduct around icebergs, having wireless manned

[@itsrelevantgaming]

Everyone living 2020 debating about the door, but Film Theory is living in 3020 with this doozy.

[@TheBeyond3rs]

Nah they live in like 5050 with this doozy

[@ecec6852]

The Door? Explanation? Plotline summary?

[@martinmatti9655]

Ya. Thay are good

[@chaihill1837]

Yeah, could you explain?

[@luke873]

Subscribe to airrack

[@jasperofthrones1310]

Everyone be gangsta till Jack starts time traveling.

[@bredbear9093]

@@sekoseko893 Ooops.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIDQdZt_ZdyAZsU

[@blondejesus252]

Is this durv

[@SheffKane]

Lowkey

[@dragonmaster613]

but is his grace strong enough???... oops, wrong Jack.

[@bredbear9093]

@@blondejesus252 No, this is Sparta.

[@F41-h6e]

this is literally history channel in the middle of the night

[@ShadowLynx777]

Hmm he did say the word alien when talking about Alien the movie *history channel seal of approval*

[@i_need_more_sleep9050]

I have never have thought of that

[@monkeylordofdoom14]

There is an island in the north Atlantic!....

[@waflelplays6478]

This is my favorite comment

[@dont6927]

Don't read my profile picture 😊 .

[@cristonsloan]

This is the most contrived and elaborate way of calling out a movie's "goofs" that I have ever witnessed. Well played, sir. Well played.

[@fenchi5387]

Matpat: Shows real ww1 photos Moments later: Shows battlefield 1 gameplay

[@manuelromero2339]

Was laughing pretty hard at that. Also calling the sinking of the Titanic “cracking in half on an ice cube”

[@coltonbell1513]

I’m still waiting for him to find out how fast forest gump really is

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

SHRIMP

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

ALL TYPES OF SHRIMP 🍤

[@grahamgrundy718]

Yes

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

JAKE FROM STATE FARM

[@Griftyfox]

@@iamaepicpersonlol557 Life is like being Jake from state farm, you always know what type of pants you'll wear. Forest Gump-

[@aaronmonterroso9734]

Mattpatt saying "she died cause she real old the end" got me laughing lmao

[@BrotherTheory]

That's very funny! You are THE BEST, Aaron :)

[@Fckwitt]

I feel bad for laughing

[@ryanneumann3582]

Ok, @@Okay1

[@ninjaundue]

I remember my uncle having the vhs version of this and it was like 3 tapes it was cray how much he’d watch it

[@crimz482]

True fact: The movie titanic cost more than the actual titanic

[@Maxx__________]

Well, obviously. They had to rebuild the ship again so they could crash it.

[@yusha1059]

@@Maxx__________ and the time travel costs alot aswell

[@field5758]

Oh... Bad ship i guess, seems like it could just break

[@madtony1608]

@Osama been Laggin you forgot paying for people to time travel

[@YuRaNXue]

These are matpat thinking levels

[@ARC-Trooper-5555]

Another thing to point out is that Jack uses Filter Cigarettes, something that wasn't even around at the time. Also another thing I heard about the "Time travel Jack" Theory is since it's a James Cameron movie, Jack's purpose for insuring Rose's survival is because she's the Great Grandmother of Sarah Connor. Yes, it's far out there but it's something for the people who subscribe to this theory to enjoy!

[@grasshoper3770]

Makes more sense

[@GreyUsurper]

I honestly kept thinking his theory was going to bop into this one directly. His theory is good but not as good as "Terminator: Titanic" if only because his premise is based on the idea that people in an alternate future timeline where the iceberg disaster doesn't happen, somehow have figured out it would happen. Which given no one is there to see the iceberg, the ship famously states it's "iceberg proof" to paraphase it; which also would be way more glanced over in a history where it doesn't run into icebergs, etc. It's a lot of, "we know stuff from history were people were now never at, in the middle of the ocean, at night" to buy into them discovering that this one girl's suicide saved the ship but was disasterous in various other ways.

[@GriFFonRec4]

@@GreyUsurper Whats more likely? That the writers and director all missed crucial details in their props and stories, or that they missed the fact that it would be pretty hard to predict an iceberg hitting the titanic if the titanic didn't hit an iceberg in the future. Your statement is 100% logical and actually is hard to argue against, but at that point we are arguing who made the biggest blunder. They could have just had Jack tell time appropriate stories or have him with unfiltered cigarettes and such, but they didn't. But thinking so far ahead as to how did the future even know there was an iceberg to hit in the first place is more of a missable plot hole in my opinion. All time travel stories are going to have plot holes, just depends on how big and noticeable. Yours is actually a very crucial and insightful one, but ultimately pretty small and missable if you aren't a gigabrain.

[@Ramsey276one]

James Cameron Unified Cinematic Universe

[@陳心晨-i6q]

jpnewPic88.men

[@palivivi]

Showed my mom this video and at the end she just said... DOES THIS GUY BREATHE?

[@elliyoung3050]

No,no he doesn’t

[@Danderfull]

@@elliyoung3050 He's a wizzard Harry! A WIZZARD

[@elliyoung3050]

@@Danderfull yes and Jack has the time turner

[@theuglydumbird]

your mom is asking the real questions

[@jiten9843]

Hmmmmm.......interesting

[@Scaro.s]

There’s a deleted scene where Jack’s walking along some promenade with rose where he says when he was in Paris he didn’t like Dadaism. But Dadaism wasn’t invented until 1916 so that’s another piece of evidence.

[@JediJane26]

Not to mention that maritime laws that would have never happened without titanic sinking. Examples: lifeboats for everyone on board, not sailing too far north/south near the Arctic/antarctic circles.

[@omniverse7976]

Yeah that could have killed even more people. The thing with humans is we learn from mistakes. Without the titanic sinking it would have caused those Maritime Laws to not exist for a few years or maybe ever. Or like how before 9/11 airport security was nothing like it was today and it was really low. After that day we fixed it so it would never happen again. To be honest if I had the ability to time travel like Jack…. I wouldn’t change a thing. We’ve survived this long and we have become a better species for it. For everything that has happened to have been possible it required these tragedies and sacrifices and I wouldn’t change any of them

[@carpdog42]

I don't think that can be definitively stated; if things kept going the way they were, and more passenger ships of the kind were built, then eventually, there would have been an accident, and it would have been horrible... and it very likely would have resulted in the same or similar laws.

[@felipef1nn40]

To think that nowadays, the titanic wouldn't be the biggest... Having a bigger boat sinking...

[@stevenbass732]

In actuality, the Titanic carried more lifeboats than required.

[@omniverse7976]

@@stevenbass732 excuse me?

[@chip5892]

First thought: “Of course it is, why wouldn’t it be? This is Film Theory.” Edit: Obligatory ‘lots of likes’ edit.

[@yaloairosa2679]

I like your profile picture

[@PaganElJordanLoveLover]

@@yaloairosa2679 yes

[@yaloairosa2679]

@@PaganElJordanLoveLover ya

[@ChunkL123]

@@yaloairosa2679 yes yes yes

[@SingingSealRiana]

It is not a new one and it makes sense of well, filmerrors

[@fanofstuff1607]

I would like to add: this boat sinking led to increased boat safety, saving many many more lives.

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@JC_Cali]

That's where I thought he was going but he took a tur = WAR

[@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154]

@@veryhot2382 yeah yeah We already know how to turn pdf into Word

[@Devilspade]

You add nothing he already said that :/

[@fanofstuff1607]

@@Devilspade when?

[@todd5purlock497]

Plot twist: Leonardo DeCaprio is a time traveler who went back to make sure the ship sunk so he could play in a movie about time traveling to make sure the ship sunk

[@cicingel3473]

LMAOOOOO

[@kle5449]

🥲

[@Carbon_02]

It's not a twist is a fact I'm just saying because of my personal experience of being a time traveler also I know you're great great great grand daughter she is very funny XD

[@marzipanmerci1068]

I once had a dream where I was forced to time travel in order to save this particular existent from his untimely death and anonymity, *which still got erased from the history* because he in turn also time travelled to the future in order to make sure that I got sent back in time to save him. This person got inspired by me, went and created a time travelling machine so that he could go to the future to personally send me back to his past where my appearance had inspired him to create the machine in the first place. If that's not a perfect loop, I don't know what is. My mind was blown when I woke up from that awesome slumber.

[@kle5449]

@@marzipanmerci1068 have you seen Dark on netflix? 😂

[@-RandomPlayer56-]

I love how Matpat can take the most outrageous theories and actually make them sound legitimate and make sense

[@IceMetalPunk]

People in the 90s: "The World Wide Web will give everyone access to information, so we'll never have to worry about propaganda or silly ideas ever again!" Baby MatPat: "We'll see about that... Information, you say?"

[@Theannoying_one]

You're so right

[@LucyWest370]

Yeah until you think about them later and you’re like “hol’up”

[@maikol1433]

yup

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

Yeah

[@mdfranko]

Director: makes a few innocent mistakes in his movie Matpat: TIME TRAVEL

[@Super-qp8xe]

No he failed history

[@Super-qp8xe]

@XoxoClowds-es4hi he made mistakes in his history class

[@skull_lee]

​@@Super-qp8xer/wooosh

[@GlytchZero]

“I see this as an absolute win”

[@kairon9225]

Not to mention that Jack, formally greeting Rose prior to the first class dinner, had said, and I quote, "I saw that on a Nickelodeon once and I always wanted to do it" after the formal greeting. Nickelodeon didn't air on television until April 1, 1979, further cementing the theory that Jack is in fact a time traveler.

[@krystlemcadams6587]

Nickelodeon was just a Nickelodeon theater. 😊

[@pinkdinoyt7565]

Me: Well, if old Rose is telling the story of Titanic, then it would make sense some locations and dates don't aline because she forgot what Jack said and tried filling in the blanks herself... MatPat: *TIMETRAVEL* Edit: let me clear something up. I get that it wouldn’t make sense for the directors to purposely add incorrect parts in the movie- I’m just saying I think it’s funny that , to make the storyline make sense, matpat would insist on time travel rather than a more realistic answer. Yes, I know that the movie probably just had some errors to it, I’m just saying that I would theorize way different than MatPat :)

[@ethanmorrow8274]

LOL

[@midnighthobbyt5161]

She was old enough to remember and write what happened in that ship, don't you think?

[@Thilykos]

Yeah, I was about to comment this exact thing. She could easily misremember small details like a lake name, etc.

[@kuluaii]

@@Thilykos okay but like why would a director PURPOSELY do that? yes thats the most logical explanation in real life but he is a sci-fi director. that would honestly be the most boring explanation

[@JS-my4jw]

Me before the theory: OK, I'll see it through. Maybe he has some good points or evidence that cannot be explained any other way to support his theory. Me after the theory: Really MatPat? Time-travel is a more likely explanation of the incorrect details than the old woman recounting the story misremembering or forgetting minor details (like the name of a roller coaster) and her mind just filling in the blanks due to not having a perfect, flawless memory of conversations which happened many decades ago? Yeah, no.

[@andrewzamora2689]

Alternate theory, the film crew was bad at historical accuracy.

[@darkgreenrifleman4871]

You are on the same frequency as me.

[@satansniece5119]

Yeah but that makes things less fun.

[@zanleuxs]

Yeah, and all that other stuff, being in the right place at the right time, random comments that foreshadow the future, that's just plot device by the writers.

[@alam5055]

Yup, and that's a proper Ockham Razor explanation. Not the one mentioned in the video that Rose imagined Jack.

[@zeuxlaught2797]

thats an underestimation, its more likely its a time travel thing since all the time travel elements are related to jack and no one else on that ship.

[@lsg2324]

Some guy to James Cameron: You know, some of these things you put in script was made after 1912 James Cameron: whatever, no one will notice MatPat: It's free theory

[@kennydev8196]

*its free real theory*

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

Don't click or you'll get hacked

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIbKlYCvi7KEgpI :-$

[@kennydev8196]

@@uhtredofbebbanburg9568 tf

[@DarkArachnid666]

Something that was overlooked was the fact that the Titanic disaster lead to laws being passed that improved the safety and quality of radio communications worldwide. It's why modern day radio communications (such as television and WIFI) are split into multiple "channels".

[@everett2367]

MatPat: Hear me out... time travel James Gunn: Write this down, write this down!!

[@r2020E]

@UCCrlFiQFAoY3x21q0Dk2J5g bald

[@twogo6386]

@@r2020E wats dat for

[@julesrules5799]

This is literally a history lesson mixed in with the consequences of time travel mistakes

[@mangamango5569]

Honestly, after seeing this theory, I’d really like to see a version of Titanic from Jack’s perspective. All of the moral and emotional turmoil of having to sacrifice the thousands to save the millions, as well as his perspective on his relationship with Rose. Just imagine it, being conscripted for a suicide mission where you are going to doom more than 1000 innocent people to a watery grave and having reservations about that. Jack might think of abandoning the mission at the last minute, but then sees Rose trying to commit suicide. How can he not save her? Would he feel guilty about his relationship with her or not? These are all things I’d really like to see.

[@itsriivan]

Write a book

[@dhanashreemehar]

We need atleast a fanfic tbh

[@kerdunne3422]

Not to mention in this AU Jack is likely being sent on a one way trip. He probably knows he’s gonna die and go down with the ship never to return to his original time. That’s a pretty hard pill to swallow, anyone can lose their nerve. But he saves Rose at first so she wouldn’t commit suicide but then he sees how unhappy she is so he’s determined to save her in a more meaningful way. He definitely didn’t plan to fall in love but that helps give Rose the strength to not just survive but live. So him going back in time falling in love with Rose and his determination to save her gives him the conviction to carry out his mission with minimal regrets (thousands of innocent lives are still sacrificed after all) but at least the girl that was originally going to die was now saved and granted a better life.

[@Forgesx]

@@kerdunne3422 Who says that he didn't just dip under the water surface and then activated his time travel machine in his pocket?

[@Forgesx]

I feel like if he is that omnipotent to know that saving her would change the course of the world war he does not really have any moral obligations anymore. I mean at this point is more like a god! He probably lived through thousands of different timelines to find the right one where the events happen the way they are meant to.

[@crazycanuckmick]

1:51 Actually - it sank in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Nowhere does anyone say it took more than 3 hours to sink. It was expected to go down in less than 2 hours, but there were circumstances that helped push it over 2 hours. Where did you get that "fact" from? 🤔

[@rjsouthworth5246]

Jack's presence on the Titanic actually caused the sinking in a simpler way: if the lookouts hadn't been distracted by watching him and Rose kissing, they would have seen the iceberg a few seconds earlier and the Titanic would have missed it.

[@rkbkirin5975]

Haha, that is a good point that should have been included. Whatever mechanism Jack is using for time travel, he clearly has access to key points of probability or else how would he have been able to win the ticket in the card game in the first place. He already knew what hand the Swede was going to play and how to beat him. (This rabbit hole just keeps on going!)

[@generalkenobianimations]

Ever seen HISHE

[@blitzyblook3315]

HAHAHA

[@whelpd]

But another thing would eb that after going back to search the crew would have noticed the lack of binoculars in the crows nest

[@offbeatnightcore2776]

I'm no mathmatologist, but I'm pretty sure that's their fault.

[@N_Co_Fish]

The Writers make a few continuity mistakes Mat Pat: he must be a time traveler.

[@Kk-ik1xu]

When mistakes are glorified into hidden messages What a time to live in

[@TyTitan77]

actually, this theory has been popular before mat pat posted this. Search up titanic time travel theory on youtube

[@bucky8381]

Very true. but its still fun😊

[@builderofcastles]

A few continuity mistakes? There were holes big enough to drive a large ship through!

[@keeganmoore99]

Plot Twist: Jack grew up hearing stories about the "Missing Maiden of the Titanic" and about how she was never found after the ship's first journey. He decides to go back in time, meet this woman, and ensure she lives a good life. In doing so, he unknowingly causes Titanic to sink which leads to many casualties. In the end, Jack completes his mission with Rose living on, but leaves much more sorrow in his wake.

[@thegoldengamer9315]

Hory shiet

[@dvh1552]

Jack is a simp

[@David-nq8cv]

Jack: Come with me if you want to live

[@ozll9297]

This is a way better theory that actually makes sense. There is no way future Jack would know about the iceberg and the butterfly effect it causes if the ship never hit it in his timeline.

[@stickmanguy5583]

That was deep.

[@redips123gaming3]

Fun fact: my great great uncle was a crew member of the titanic he was born in England ( I was born in Southampton England he might’ve been born there as well) he did survive he’s name is William weller

[@souptoothick]

movie writers: make a few mistakes cause they didnt really bother to check the dates on random aspects of random lines in a movie matpat: MUST BE TIME TRAVEL

[@meta-xverse]

Exactly. Titanic's plot is simple, nothing that complex.

[@victorsamsung2921]

@@meta-xverse You should watch Cinema Therapy's take on Titanic. It's hysterical and on point, including that the story of Rose & Jack is simple, but *not* simplistic. A huge difference. Nothing complex, but easy to understand by a large portion of the audience. All Cameron could think about was action and big explosions etc. The fact that Cameron got some of the minor details wrong in the script ... is just an unfortunate coincidence.

[@kissynuggett3727]

Actually James Cameron is known for not making mistakes as well as time travel movies so it all checks out

[@rodenithing2]

​@@meta-xverse you have to remember that Cameron tried to make the story of the Titanic around the fictional story of Jack and Rose as accurately portrayed as possible.

[@TemmiePlays]

@@kissynuggett3727 IM sorry dude, but when you mention he does " time travel " i have to argue that its ONLY the Terminator movies, and also they makle a TON of mnistakes...so many in fact that they retcon the time travel at least 5 times in the movie's lifetime. " doesnt make mistakes " riiiiiiiiight

[@MrBrewman95]

I like the theory where Jack is a figment of Rose’s imagination and she used that imagination to break away from her class, family and Cal.

[@trojanhorse1247]

But if it's true, who drew her picture?

[@nojumper01]

@@trojanhorse1247 i did i am the true time traveler

[@trojanhorse1247]

@@nojumper01 oh facinting I should have known that

[@baconboi3108]

Stonks

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

@@trojanhorse1247 you did