Film Theory: Titanic is about Time Travel... No REALLY!

[@theblaze5530]

Writers: Make a mistake and reference things that didn't exist back in 1912 MatPat: Time Travel it is!

[@crossyright9493]

Yeah... as much as i like hearing theories, this one is a little too much. Just like Ness

[@LeoStaley]

James Cameron was *obsessed* with accuracy. All of these "mistakes" were about Jack, and all of them were future-centric anachronisms. I personally think it's because rose just made him up.

[@alalalala57]

I still remember when theorists knew how to have fun.

[@elijah6852]

@@alalalala57 Right? People take this stuff way too seriously. Matpat has said before that oftentimes, his theories are made just because they're fun. Not all of his theories are made to be believed. People don't get that.

[@jaydenjewett3796]

Come on man the ness theory was just awesome plain and simple awesome

[@Eliezer3838]

I love how this went to talking about Titanic, Jack being a Time Traveler, and an alternate history lesson about World War One.

[@pyrotf2245]

Shut

[@lukeedwardb.castillo1332]

MatPat would be a good alt historian using references from movies or games lol

[@Dabeggu]

Just a normal day in the theory channels

[@lukeedwardb.castillo1332]

@@Dabeggu XD

[@fusososososo3507]

Except that Germany surrendered because their empire suffered a coup, not because they were losing.

[@aaronemerson8049]

Bonus Theory: Jack actually told Rose that he was a time traveler and instead of dying, he moved on to a different timeline. Rose made up his death to protect his secret.

[@bandotaku]

I like this theory! Also, maybe she actually did end up with him, but he was under a different name.

[@crizmixakaghostyboi2965]

Very clever

[@stealthbeatle4945]

And then jack met the doctor in WWII when an alien healing microbe was transforming everyone into gas mask wearing zombies

[@helenaluk5752]

that makes a hole lot of sence

[@jesslouise1556]

this deserves more clout

[@Sundeath41]

Jack: It was a canon event Miquel: you see that boy, I raised him

[@Denji350]

😂

[@Psychetwo]

I feel like MatPat can make a great Lawyer. He's very good at spinning things. Most likely James Cameron and the film crew just made a mistake, but MatPat can convince us all that this was intentional and that Jack is a time traveler!

[@pallavimenon6299]

This is exactly what I was thinking 😂😂

[@9ightdreamer]

MatPad kinda has that kind experience in some way so its kinda possible lol. _Wait! Dont start a theory-_ *BUUUUT HEEEY! THATS JUST A THEORY, A MATPAD THEORY!*

[@zeuxlaught2797]

nah considering the fact that all the time travel elements are related to jack and no one else on that ship does say its very intentional.

[@Dig_Duke_SFM]

@@9ightdreamer *THANKS FOR READING*

[@9ightdreamer]

@@Dig_Duke_SFM Lmao

[@shaminresandu8771]

This time travelling Jack concept would have been a brilliant plot for a Titanic part 2 movie

[@lauramillan6298]

Bruh! I still want it even though Leo is fairly old for the role😩.

[@jamestomato1744]

Just because we could, doesn't always mean we should (especially with something like the Titanic, I feel it should just be left alone).

[@shaminresandu8771]

@@jamestomato1744 yeah ur right too

[@entity_unknown5289]

finally i got a 666th like

[@PokeTheMysticJelly]

690 likes? Ima ruin this man's whole career...

[@kobaltblueknight]

So, I was thinking about this movie recently; and while I do wish Jack and Rose could have lived happily ever after, I think Jack's death was necessary. Not for Rose, but for the audience. As time goes on, the disaster becomes more and more just a footnote in history, detached from the actual trauma of the event. We can look back at the reports of the sinking, and all the death, and realize how horrible it must have been; but it is still just numbers to us. By the time the movie came out, the Titanic had been at the bottom of the ocean for more than 80 years already. Very few survivors were left alive, and for most people; several generations separated them from the wreck. I think having Jack, the charming co-lead of the movie die, after we spent so much time getting attached to not only his character, but also his growing relationship with Rose; was meant to be the emotional punch necessary to make the wreck feel real to us in the modern world. Seeing their adventures aboard the liner, you really began to root for the couple. If it were any other movie, they likely would have gotten their happy ending. But Cameron wanted us to feel the loss, even a little bit, that the survivors and family of those lost aboard the ship felt; by taking this character from us, just inches from the finish line. In that way, Jack is meant ot be a stand in for everyone who lost their lives in the disaster.

[@baqcasanke]

Well said

[@SpudOfWar]

Never would have considered this, thank you for pointing this out.

[@robogreek3157]

Of coarse it was necessary.... It represented the stories that were lost in time. The whole point of the plot

[@willow_de_mori3754]

Never thought of this before, but that is very true. Well put and thought out.

[@vardell9409]

Agreed, well said

[@jaysonjolin563]

When this movie was out in theaters and "My Heart Will Go On" was on infinite replay on every radio station, my local station released a hilarious version of the song where, instead of being interspersed with audio clips from the movie, it was interspersed with audio clips from Airplane. I absolutely loved that version. I wish I could find a copy.

[@Anwelei]

Omg I would love to hear that 😂😂😂

[@katritter6482]

it became the new "I Will Always Love You"

[@ConleySmooge]

Shirley. You can't be serious.

[@parthbansal2775]

Internet : Jack is actually an imagination of Rose because she wanted a coping mechanism Matpat : That's outrageous Internet : Okay Matpat : He was actually a Time Traveller

[@NathanM72641]

That's are mattpat

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

I actually like this theory a lot more

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

@Michael yeah I agree

[@vincevandensteen2490]

I want to like but it’s at 666 likes so......

[@Coolbk17]

@@NathanM72641 I was the 10th like

[@uncleflagzz]

Everyone: chilling Matpat out of freaking nowhere: *_How MINECRAFT lore connects to the assassination of JFK_*

[@omegalightning5715]

I expect this at this point

[@theoctopus5343]

DONT GIVE HIM IDEAS

[@j.c.ingledue6553]

I don't think... wait.... I kinda wanna see this now

[@baylorwuzhere]

MatPat you know this is true!

[@rjayeda1]

THIS ARTIST IS NEXT UP!🚨kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XTnYt9d9mei5o

[@Emily-iy9mr]

This felt like a big English lecture where the author accidentally said something that doesn't match and your English teacher is now like "It's on purpose, what does it mean?"

[@bellamyseals831]

100th like :))

[@MikaylaROL]

It really does feel like this 😂

[@estrellaescobar5723]

Honestly, the Titanic had more than 20 continuity "errors". It could be a coincidence, since the movie had so many details that is almost insane to check all, but also makes you think how is posible that nobody notice before things that are so obvious. I mean, is not like is details that happens in the background for 0.3 seconds.

[@Phantom7251]

jpnewpic88.men xxx

[@shaynewheeler9249]

😢😢😢😢

[@EmYli8463]

The ‘wait… time travel?’ followed by the knock-off music is really amusing for some reason😂

[@aysealtn1669]

🚢⌛⏳🕓🕒

[@daviddamasceno6063]

They could make an entire new movie about all Jack's failed attempts to keep Rose alive.

[@N0N0111]

Edge of Tomorrow style :D

[@SalemMP4]

It is the choice of steins gate!

[@arealisticbeautystandard8920]

That would be amazing

[@LVrJ100]

Like The Ground Hog day.

[@caseyyy4785]

yeah like groundhog day x happy death day

[@ChengTeoh]

Jack could be a time traveler, but it is much more likely that the people who worked on the movie had some errors in researching. But I do like the tangent you took with Jack being a time traveler changing history to save more lives in the future. [ This reminds me of that time where people thought that an unreleased footage from a 1928 Charlie Chaplin film showed a time-traveling woman in the background walking while appearing to talk on a cell phone. ] [ Just imagine if the Hindenburg didn't explode, would we all be flying on rigid airships? ] [ Added note on 1/10/2021 - not really new to the channel, been a sporadic viewer ever since MatPat hosted "The Runner" ... I was that person who won some monetary prizes from doing sketches of each team in the game ;) - those were fun days. but back to the point, i am fully aware of the style of theorizing Matpat does but most of the times there is a thread of in-world evidence and logic to back up his main point ... this one just seemed a bit lacking. I'd imagine that if he wanted to he could also craft a similar "Time-traveler" theory based upon some of the in-world time inaccuracies in Wonder Woman 1984 ;) ]

[@IceMetalPunk]

You're new here, aren't you?

[@vidlink]

Wasn't that an old fashioned hearing aid she was using in that film?

[@griff1240]

Yeah not time travel just people getting it wrong lmao

[@hart1027]

@@vidlink it was a glasses case I think

[@ida586]

This is MatPat were talking about. He would find every error in every movie and make a video out of it

[@mythicmud837]

I love how matpat takes his theorist pills and is like “Okay Jack is a time traveler and the Lorax is a type of bear”

[@ICTON123]

And in Food Theory "So you can eat your entire Christmas Tree"

[@idontknowimebored77]

And we love him for it

[@alaiaomanu6318]

wolverine grunting kzbin.info/www/bejne/on-ZiqV7q7Fjbrs

[@dont6927]

Don't read my profile picture 😊 .

[@idontknowimebored77]

@@dont6927 okay I wont

[@California_Condor]

1:58 The Titanic didn’t take 3hr 14m to sink but the 1912 scenes in the movie was the same time it took titanic to sink.

[@sarveshbhagwat9045]

Imagine being James Cameron and watching this where he made a few mistakes and a guy makes a theory about time travel.

[@alterego9618]

I’m sure he would like it lol

[@leoaceves2652]

@@alterego9618 True

[@yizao9289]

@@alterego9618 he would probably love it

[@fullliquorbar8829]

@@alterego9618 Yea(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)

[@nateavery2875]

Exactly

[@Skellyender]

so this is why teachers don’t like students asking “what if” questions

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

Ah yes a fellow intellectual

[@chaz2187]

They’ll immediately change the subject just to avoid ‘what ifs?’

[@BrotherTheory]

Indeed lol. You are BRILLIANT, SkellyEnder :)

[@NinjaCreeper-yx3tl]

Nice

[@itsasecret4451]

I used to do so many “what if’s” that my teachers just answered with “why?”

[@NoSou1L]

The ship sank because Rose is asserting dominance over the ship with the T-Pose. And jack is trying to hold her back.

[@TheRealWoopSlap]

I'm weak also I feel challenged by the thumbnail

[@kikuoisthebestandnoonecant1915]

lmao

[@NoSou1L]

"Don't let go jack" that has new meaning lol

[@MovedToPhilippinesballvolt]

XDDDD

[@pickle.planet]

It actually took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink. NOT 3 hours and 14 minutes.

[@magicfish8213]

Fine, I'll time travel to prolong the sinking

[@Moonlatte_0419]

​@@magicfish8213 Bruh 💀

[@dezs.5202]

James Cameron: *fails history class* MatPat: “Obviously it was time travel”

[@zerlichr426]

It's more complicated then that. Rose just don't remember it correcly. She is over 100 years old, and trust me with how time can affect brain no wonder there is some anachronistic's in this. I know Mat prefers to make it zebras rather then horses, but it's much simpler that she doesn't remember it correcly and make up blanks in her memory. Because human mind doesn't remember anything at all, it just recall HOW we remember that event. That's why mandela effect or deja vu exist. It is how your brain alter your memory because more time passes and more blurry that memory is. It's like old magnetic tapes. The more you play them the less charge they have, and more distroted they get. On that note how does she remember him going with that bag. I mean why we have perspective of ANYONE other that Rose IN HER MEMORY.

[@chao6890]

@@zerlichr426 uhuh....

[@Someone-is4lx]

@@zerlichr426 or maybe the writers wrote a time travel story

[@ICTON123]

@@zerlichr426 He knows that, it's just way too fun to overthink things

[@zerlichr426]

@@ICTON123 I know but as someone said in medical field when watching doctor house "you always think horses before zebras". Aka first simple solution then complicated one. And Mat just like throw first theory the most complicated one there is

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

the Time Traveler wasn't Jack Dawson... it was actually Leonardo Dicaprio... he travelled back in time to sink the ship so they can hire him to make a movie about it thus making him famous

[@maggotsinyourshoes]

Hmmmmm

[@seanpurdom6380]

But... He was a famous child actor? He was already famous.

[@a-friendly-ghoul]

NOW THAAAAATS A THEORY

[@AAAAAA-eg6pe]

@@seanpurdom6380 Yeah, but he wouldn't have been a famous child actor if Hollywood wasn't created... Nor would he have had his big break in Titanic if the Titanic hadn't sunk.

[@scarlex8721]

Thats what matpat at the end of the video...

[@TheNerdyRambler]

Another reason why jack saved rose was that its a destined time event (meaning time is written so well that the thing you would do if you went back in time has already happened so when you go back your just following history)

[@bibbo3167]

Fun Fact: after Jack froze to death, he becomes Jack Frost, as seen in “rise of the guardians”

[@jaxonellbelurin472]

🤯

[@OrangeLordThe14th]

@@jaxonellbelurin472 what he said

[@moscow9394]

That sounds like some cheap director would do

[@OrangeLordThe14th]

It's over anakin I have the high ground

[@moscow9394]

@@OrangeLordThe14th this is the 2000th anakin comment ive seen in 23 youtube videos today and im not surprised

[@H-MAN-yn3ok]

Does anyone else think right after jack went under water he was like “mission accomplished” and just zapped away into the future

[@derekstein6193]

Que Quantum Leap theme.

[@TRTheIronFist]

yep

[@generalkenobianimations]

But Leo, what about your acting career? "Acting? Where we're going, I don't have an acting career!"

[@LaneCorbett]

Much hugging, High fives, Drinking, and Ravelry were had at mission Control

[@CasualAviationEnthusiast]

🤔🤔🤔

[@jackdawson3288]

Dammit Rose, I told you not to tell them!

[@stingraymaster9168]

Why didn't he build 90's?

[@68222]

Dang, it billy

[@notsocuteotaku8662]

they don't believe her anyways, you good 🙄

[@potatoslayer69420]

Well met Weary time traveller. . . . . . I have to ask you something though Is there going to be! *Drumroll* A decent season of game of thrones? Or *Drumroll again* Will tf2 still be alive in 30 years from now?

[@adhiraajsingh517]

@@potatoslayer69420 *blast beat* wtf did i read?

[@ericschultz4004]

Let's not forget the whole story was told from a 101 year old Rose's perspective. A 101 year old who is about to die at the end of the movie could easily confuse Lake Wissota and Santa Monica Pier as something Jack said. I believe that could be a clue as to where Rose did most of her ice fishing later in life and the pier as something Rose definitely visited in the horseback picture between 1917-1923. Same thing with "Molly" Brown. She confused Brown's name she went by on the Titanic with the name she heard for years and years after the sinking just as she confused actually doing the activities with something Jack actually said.

[@tqsuited]

That's a great analysis, I've never considered that before. She couldn't remember all those tiny details accurately like 80+ years later.

[@ericschultz4004]

@@tqsuited I think James Cameron might have purposefully ignored some of those details in order to make the story more of a feel of one coming from an actual 101 year old. And now that you mentioned something, I could dive further into a lot of the internet hating on Rose as a "selfish {you know what}" and bring up what I really think happened in the story. I think Cal was just a really cool guy who might just be a victim of heartbreak and the stories of him chasing her with a gun might be over exaggerated. What might be perceived as a love story by Cameron might actually be disguised as a story about a spoiled rotten person. I don't know anymore. I guess I'm just speaking just to hear myself speak now, haha

[@rynvail521]

This week on Game Theory: MatPat makes us wonder what horrific disaster the time travelers are preventing by letting 2020 play out.

[@johnmichael8462]

OHohhhhh.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154]

@@johnmichael8462 yeah yeah We already know how to turn pdf into Word

[@blueturkey95]

Another plague? COVID's forcing humanity to advance their research on diseases and stuff. If COVID weren't happening the next pandemic could've been *MUCH* worse.

[@mixedbaggamer]

@@blueturkey95 preventing the zombies rather than causing them

[@kylerivera3470]

@@blueturkey95 Maybe there is some big war that would have happened if all the countries were healthy, but didn't happen because all the countries (or most at least) were bust dealing with the pandemic.

[@Enraged.]

I love how it went from “Jack made sure the Titanic sank” to “America could have lost the war.”

[@Nostra.Damus14]

Do you love it though?

[@themusther161]

@@Nostra.Damus14 i do

[@The_Irish_Rover]

Spoilers

[@DarthAxolotl]

@@The_Irish_Rover if you don't want spoilers don't read the comments during the video

[@Shimanas527]

@@The_Irish_Rover comments are for people who wached the video if you didnt knew

[@glitchyoliver3669]

Matpat is like a literature teacher He legit theorist about things that the director couldn't have thought of.

[@Various_forms_of_Doormamu]

Yeah but that’s the best part about lit teachers, that’s the best part about literature as a whole. If you can substantiate your theory with evidence, you can’t completely disprove it.

[@foux7061]

Except we come here because we're entertained, not because we have to.

[@basedhalo]

​@@Various_forms_of_Doormamu Well the ww1 theory is kinda not accurate. Titanic had 2 identical sister ships Olympic and Britannic and when the war broke they were taken by the British government and Olympic has been made into troop transport and Britannic was made into a hospital ship. If titanic would survive, it would probably also be refited as a troop transport. And that would mean that if it would be sunk, there wouldn't be any American passengers on board and US wouldn't join the war early.

[@sanjanaakotyada4753]

I love how this went from “Titanic dude is a time traveller” to “World War I History lesson (with mathematical statistics” Like, I just came home from school, let me chill dude!

[@hvallois7149]

Counter theory: jack is actually James Cameron, he travels back in time to save rose so she eventually drops her very expensive neckless into the sea, he is waiting under the water in scuba gear to nab the necklace and make big money off it

[@AdoboSoGuud]

But if he stayed in the ocean, wouldn't he be catching hypothermia and die? It'll take him long to dive down to catch the necklace.

[@jonbojsenkvrndrup8180]

He got picked up by his personal submarine and brought back to life just like in the Abyss. HIS NAME IS JAMES CAMERON! dumdumdumdum

[@devinewolfe1906]

The real kicker is he used the money from the necklace to fund the movie. 🤯

[@yourgrandad4882]

I read this as James Cameron? Wtf edit: I MEANT DAVID CAMERON.

[@BrotherTheory]

That's BRILLIANT, Small Man :)

[@trollgelmfao5176]

He is a time traveler! I remember seeing him with a girl named Juliet

[@itsfridayhappyfriday1820]

🤯

[@trollgelmfao5176]

@@Boojum_Tree Read it Right, Leonardo plays Romeo

[@benjaminmenken5693]

I had to watch that for English class

[@trollgelmfao5176]

@@benjaminmenken5693 bruh same

[@LadyOnikara]

And as two royally born boys who interact with the aged Three Musketeers.

[@Xan-Man]

If mattpat was a lawyer he would convince the whole court room that the defendant was an alien from another dimension that came to earth for our vast supply of exotic butters.

[@Racc_craft]

I can see that actually happening

[@ultimapower6950]

Yeah and fail miserably

[@joannaosullivan9170]

Trillions of aliens have attempted to invaded us for them. Thankfully, Obama

[@HBender]

That’s just Saul Goodman

[@miraculousmongoose]

and he'd win

[@christophercole8114]

Interesting theory indeed. But what I really want to know is how did Rose know details of conversations she had no direct or indirect access to? Conversations such as those between Captain Smith and his officers? The wireless operators? The lookouts? The events of 1912 are told from her first hand knowledge, right? So unless she's just adding in details of history outside of her recollections, how is it that these are part of the movie?

[@rhiannehamad2269]

It's a movie ig

[@Levyathyn]

It was still a story. She probably slid those details that she had found out over the course of the rest of her life into the story seamlessly, for the narrative, and at some point forgot that she didn't know them at the time.

[@saichandra1360]

I am imagining James Cameron smiling in peace because someone finally understood his movie

[@jacobhofius2528]

Isn’t he still alive?

[@kehlercreations]

@@jacobhofius2528 Does the original comment imply that he is not?

[@nathan9901]

@@jacobhofius2528 ok but thats exactly what i thought when i read this comment 🤣

[@Cozmicsaber]

@@kehlercreations yeah it does or at least that's the impression I got. I even googled it to see if dead.

[@speakofthedevil3216]

@@kehlercreations not technically but I had the same thought. I think it has something to do with the use of the words "peace" and "finally", since they are usually associated with death, especially when used in the same sentence.

[@flare0080]

So the takeaway here is that JonTron was right when he said "I don't think it was the iceberg that killed all those people -- I think it was Jack."

[@HexZ_]

JonTron literally living in the 5th dimension

[@youcan_change_handle_3june_]

jontron name is superbly ez to remember

[@DanielLovesArt]

Matpat: "Because Jack's a good time traveller, leaves no evidence of his existence behind." seconds later... Matpat: "If he didn't exist, who drew that sexy time picture?"

[@c.d.5746]

hmmmmmm

[@LaserBeem]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[@jonulrick4353]

Did he sign it?

[@DanielLovesArt]

@@jonulrick4353 good question, don't know, but it's still technically a sign of his existence.

[@dtavs_exe]

It wasn't signed, it would have been attributed to anyone. In fact even if Jack wasn't real we could say that the picture was commissioned by Rose's fiance.

[@discordsmorgan2023]

*The people who made those mistakes in the script/costuming:* Write that down, write that down!

[@fikrijuanda6321]

Would be great adaptation for Titanic 2

[@name.255]

the Williamson turn was discoverd in 1943, soooooo...... shut up mat

[@bxdanny]

@@name.255 The Williamson turn was NAMED for someone who used it in 1943. But it was used before that, just wasn't called that. Wikipedia says it was used in the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05.

[@will-oftheconvictionsforge]

@@bxdanny Thank ya man! ^_^

[@Cesus11]

scriptwriter: didn't study carefully the timeline of stuffs said in the movie Film Theory: *time travel*

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@bradek2792]

Yeah I thought of that right away

[@GayAnnabeth]

what I see this as an absolute win

[@swhawk]

Bruh, it's pretty impressive how simply finding random anachronisms in the movie lead you into doing this theory about Jack preventing a future where the US lost WWI.

[@sharker5000]

But it’s entertaining! And in the end, isn’t that half the goal of the channel?

[@vain9137]

That’s just matpat bro

[@fernandomarco295]

Nice theory in the end, but normally TFT admits when some of the clues (read: all, in this case) could have just been flaws missed by the script supervisors. Also, yeah, terminator 1&2 have time travel... BUUUUT... Piranha 2, Aliens, The Abyss and Avatar do not :P

[@kevinw712]

Here's the first thing I go to though: so, the posit is that in Jack's original timeline, the Titanic never crashes and sinks. So what his entire mission would boil down to is knowing EXACTLY where a particular iceberg will be in specific moment to make sure the boat hits it. Unless you're saying that he was taking several different trips beforehand to scout where all the icebergs were in the Atlantic, it's not like there's available information in the future on the coordinates of icebergs from the past.

[@basedhalo]

Well the ww1 theory is kinda not accurate. Titanic had 2 identical sister ships Olympic and Britannic and when the war broke they were taken by the British government and Olympic has been made into troop transport and Britannic was made into a hospital ship. If titanic would survive, it would probably also be refited as a troop transport. And that would mean that if it would be sunk, there wouldn't be any American passengers on board and US wouldn't join the war early.

[@crazycanuckmick]

1:51 Actually - it sank in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Nowhere does anyone say it took more than 3 hours to sink. It was expected to go down in less than 2 hours, but there were circumstances that helped push it over 2 hours. Where did you get that "fact" from? 🤔

[@nadavloss1103]

Someone: lets build a boat Matpat 100 years later: the movie about your boat has time travel

[@coolio3267]

*cough* *cough* actually it's a 108 soon to be a 109 years

[@NewYorxer]

@@coolio3267 Happy birth/death day TITANIC?

[@BrotherTheory]

That's AWESOME! You are THE BEST, Nadav Loss :)

[@artemisamory]

movie: has historical inaccuracies film theory: TIME TRAVEL

[@Mystic_Stirling]

*“Aliens”*

[@samskordi6079]

True lol

[@patricklee7241]

😂 spot on. Plus, this theory isn't new. I heard this theory 20 years ago.

[@SooClassy]

@Patrick Lee youtube wasn’t a thing 20 years ago

[@OMGoobero]

@@patricklee7241 what were you on that saw that?

[@tarynbarker2107]

Alternatively: Rose is misremembering some of the things Jack said in her old age.

[@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate]

That’s a lot more likely but a lot less fun

[@0428733]

makes no sense, she wasn't present when Jack won the ticket, so the movie is not a recolection of her memories.

[@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate]

@@0428733 what if Jack told her about it but we didn’t see it in the movie?

[@GGmanlife]

@@Rainfire-forgets-to-animate well that would be convenient…

[@retrokoh]

@@GGmanlife But also plausible. What's more, is that we could be seeing those scenes the way she may have been imagining them occurring. That, or someone should've broken the 4th wall and asked the classic question: "How do you know about the parts you weren't there for?"

[@Urban_Lab369]

I think this the BEST theory you ever made and I haven't even seen the actual film :)

[@itsrelevantgaming]

Everyone living 2020 debating about the door, but Film Theory is living in 3020 with this doozy.

[@TheBeyond3rs]

Nah they live in like 5050 with this doozy

[@ecec6852]

The Door? Explanation? Plotline summary?

[@martinmatti9655]

Ya. Thay are good

[@chaihill1837]

Yeah, could you explain?

[@luke873]

Subscribe to airrack

[@BobBob-zg5lz]

The Titanic Writers after realizing their poor research: “Heheheh... yeah... time travel.... sure...”

[@deadsoldiertr]

@@sekoseko1147 f off

[@Telcrem]

@@sekoseko1147 stop this and get a life.

[@teabsaesae9870]

Plot twist: it wasn't poor research

[@ic236]

movie: has a bunch of continuity timeline errors firm theory: TIME TRAVELLER

[@xxdinobest848]

Don't click it's a bot

[@someloser8640]

I love firm theory

[@domiofthenorth4911]

Firm theory? Nah, I like my theories soft, homie

[@monke4476]

@@xxdinobest848 did u say click?

[@Xzlibur]

Yes FIRM theory

[@natedawg6755]

Was told I needed an understanding of the movie to understand. Paused the youtube video, watched the movie, came back.

[@JustAGun_]

I don't know what I want more: for it to be a legitimate mistake in writing that matpat has turned into something amazing, or that the titanic was a secret sci-fi movie this whole time and nobody noticed.

[@davidtucker9498]

I'd rather it be the second, bit it's obviously the first...

[@miraculouscrazy924]

Ok I think that in the future time travel will exist and this will happen

[@GigglingBug1564]

@@miraculouscrazy924 I’m really hoping it does

[@pedrocaetano950]

@@miraculouscrazy924 Time travel isn't possible and never will be. Or else people from the future would've already visited us

[@miraculouscrazy924]

@@pedrocaetano950 Maybe it's very complicated thus very very very very very Expense so Only people with Missions do it . Maybe we see time travelers but they Blend in

[@leosong829]

Directors: make a few insignificant timeline mistakes Matpat: And then the world gets taken over by germany!!!

[@challenger8bit572]

Or walking arcade machines

[@Marin_Karin]

It's mildly infuriating that you can make butterfly theories on anything and if you planned it well it can truly make sense.

[@RasmusVJS]

@@challenger8bit572 Phineas and Ferb reference?

[@challenger8bit572]

@@RasmusVJS not really just a random thought

[@RasmusVJS]

@@challenger8bit572 Huh, if I had a dollar for every time someone mentioned the world being taken over by walking machines, I would have 2 dollars. It's not a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.

[@lorimaupas3712]

Everyone: he wanted to save her Matpat: jacks a time traveler

[@BrotherTheory]

Love it! You are actually BRILLIANT, Lori Maupas :)

[@rhoydplaz2853]

Hahahah

[@generichomosapien4666]

Didnt the past already happen? why would he want to change the past and create a new timeline while trying to prevent creating a new timeline??????

[@krievv]

@@generichomosapien4666 Maybe he came from a different timeline where the US had joined the war early. So if he sank the ship that brought the country into the war, why not?

[@Silentgrace11]

@@generichomosapien4666 I mean, when it comes to time travel this just becomes a pile of endless possibilities. Jack could have previously thought, "Well, what if I can save these thousands of people?" and had gone back in time to manipulate the boat's trajectory? What if this led to him taking some actions which led to Rose wanting to jump off the ship? Then, upon returning to his time, he realized he effed up and that he had to find some way to resolve the issue. And then wibbley wobbley timey wimey stuff occurs. Or this, and or that. The problem with time travel theories is that they can basically talk themselves into a circle of obscurity. They're still fun to think about though ;)

[@the_glitter_is]

The search for Rose delay would have also resulted in them most likely being in the iceberg area at day instead of night, making it easier to avoid.

[@fqidz]

Writers who just made a mistake: Yeah, this theory is true 100%. Totally wrote it like this yep.

[@DayZeroChannel]

Every story i have ever written (even in class) always has a deeper meaning that goes far beyond a normal viewers comprehensive abilities. Now give James Cameron a few hundred millions dollars.. a few of these probably sneak into the films 🎥

[@kaspertheshepherd3010]

@@DayZeroChannel epic

[@farelrajwa1300]

The writter problably just made a small no attention to detail considering that it was the 1990 and information was much much limited but i would still take credit for the fan theory

[@mighty_polar_bear3786]

The research team that was supposed to keep everything time- appropriate : 😰

[@mighty_polar_bear3786]

@Alfred Richmond Ruff I watched it and found it interesting (and I believe there’s a small chance maybe the directer possibly meant this), but I don’t have to agree with him to enjoy his videos.

[@omershaik6374]

James cameron: doesn't check for anachronisms. Matpat: *it's free theory fodder*

[@sekoseko1147]

Oops............... kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@bredbear9093]

@@sekoseko1147 Ooops... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIDQdZt_ZdyAZsU

[@Polopony20.]

🤣 you got double! I love it!

[@willywonkapants7963]

69 likes

[@Marin_Karin]

This guy gets it.

[@arjuntomer9777]

Mat: Jack is a time traveler New viewers: NO WAY!! OG viewers: You ain't seen nothing yet

[@paragon2622]

Ain't ain't a word because I said it ain't.

[@paulamcinnes9405]

@@paragon2622 lol

[@randomkid-0-473]

Im an OG viewer but i was like: 😐 noice

[@paragon2622]

@@randomkid-0-473 Nice, I've never seen Titanic.

[@Moved506]

I'm a veiwer from when the channle started and i'm suprised.

[@ImJustHeeree]

My teacher made that the title of one of our papers (it was the “near, far, wherever you are” part”. I started singing it and she was like “Yes, that’s correct”

[@xxliquidnsolidxx648]

Are we all gonna ignore the fact that the sinking of the Titanic saved millions of lives because it lead to some new safety requirements on passanger ships like enough lifeboats or better communication and warning between ships?

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@deadpossm2488]

Gotta break a break a few eggs to make an omelet as they say

[@Jack-sf9zo]

While you arent wrong even if titanic diddnt sink there would likely be an incident that would happen to cause these changes anyway, an example even possibly being lusitania, considering the death tole she had even when there were enough lifeboats

[@MrMissingnin44]

Imagine having enough lifeboats. ....

[@rumstun1121]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIXOhJ6dh7OojJo

[@SpooxX]

Alternative title: Matpat roasts Titanic's continuity issues for 16 minutes straight lol

[@that_kaii]

Xd

[@Single_penguin]

@@shells7766 shut up

[@Luthorharkon917]

@@shells7766 okay

[@fidel7428]

Who you guys talkin to?

[@Single_penguin]

@@fidel7428 a spammer

[@coltonbell1513]

I’m still waiting for him to find out how fast forest gump really is

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

SHRIMP

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

ALL TYPES OF SHRIMP 🍤

[@grahamgrundy718]

Yes

[@iamaepicpersonlol557]

JAKE FROM STATE FARM

[@Griftyfox]

@@iamaepicpersonlol557 Life is like being Jake from state farm, you always know what type of pants you'll wear. Forest Gump-

[@realgreenaxolotlreactions1738]

And in one scene he kisses roses hand and says: “I saw that in nickelodeon, and ive always wanted to do it” NICKELODEON WASNT MADE UNTIL 1979

[@FABAK-j12]

He wasn't talking about the network. A nickelodeon was a cinema with an admission fee of one nickel, not a TV channel. (at least not until 1979)

[@fareskaoueche3810]

The Titanic : Goes near the iceberg The Iceberg : «And i took that personally»

[@aalayareddy4809]

313 likes and no replies? Abnormal.

[@fareskaoueche3810]

@Ta'Maira Leventry ✌️Of course it IS good enough , Hope you have a good day , or night ✌️

[@clintonclements6145]

lmaooooo

[@F41-h6e]

this is literally history channel in the middle of the night

[@ShadowLynx777]

Hmm he did say the word alien when talking about Alien the movie *history channel seal of approval*

[@i_need_more_sleep9050]

I have never have thought of that

[@monkeylordofdoom14]

There is an island in the north Atlantic!....

[@waflelplays6478]

This is my favorite comment

[@dont6927]

Don't read my profile picture 😊 .

[@JediJane26]

Not to mention that maritime laws that would have never happened without titanic sinking. Examples: lifeboats for everyone on board, not sailing too far north/south near the Arctic/antarctic circles.

[@omniverse7976]

Yeah that could have killed even more people. The thing with humans is we learn from mistakes. Without the titanic sinking it would have caused those Maritime Laws to not exist for a few years or maybe ever. Or like how before 9/11 airport security was nothing like it was today and it was really low. After that day we fixed it so it would never happen again. To be honest if I had the ability to time travel like Jack…. I wouldn’t change a thing. We’ve survived this long and we have become a better species for it. For everything that has happened to have been possible it required these tragedies and sacrifices and I wouldn’t change any of them

[@carpdog42]

I don't think that can be definitively stated; if things kept going the way they were, and more passenger ships of the kind were built, then eventually, there would have been an accident, and it would have been horrible... and it very likely would have resulted in the same or similar laws.

[@felipef1nn40]

To think that nowadays, the titanic wouldn't be the biggest... Having a bigger boat sinking...

[@stevenbass732]

In actuality, the Titanic carried more lifeboats than required.

[@omniverse7976]

@@stevenbass732 excuse me?

[@DarkArachnid666]

Something that was overlooked was the fact that the Titanic disaster lead to laws being passed that improved the safety and quality of radio communications worldwide. It's why modern day radio communications (such as television and WIFI) are split into multiple "channels".

[@crimz482]

True fact: The movie titanic cost more than the actual titanic

[@Maxx__________]

Well, obviously. They had to rebuild the ship again so they could crash it.

[@yusha1059]

@@Maxx__________ and the time travel costs alot aswell

[@field5758]

Oh... Bad ship i guess, seems like it could just break

[@madtony1608]

@Osama been Laggin you forgot paying for people to time travel

[@YuRaNXue]

These are matpat thinking levels

[@LeeEverett1]

I could see James Cameron watching this with the biggest smile on his face thinking: "Finally, after all these years someone gets it!"

[@oliviav.3565]

😄

[@guillermogutierrez710]

Could it be that Avatar is Titanic's sequel?

[@victorsamsung2921]

@@guillermogutierrez710 You mean that Jake is actually Jack's son or grandson? It's funny how they both share the same initial J. Wonder if Cameron did that on purpose.

[@user-ib1is7ny7r]

lmao listen james is a genius but he did not think that far 🤣

[@adeebzayan4689]

@@victorsamsung2921 aahh now i see the pattern

[@julesrules5799]

This is literally a history lesson mixed in with the consequences of time travel mistakes

[@ninjaundue]

I remember my uncle having the vhs version of this and it was like 3 tapes it was cray how much he’d watch it

[@janecat8753]

Titanic: *Contains historical inaccuracies* MatPat: *Jack time travelled to make the moon landing happen*

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIbKlYCvi7KEgpI :-$

[@uhtredofbebbanburg9568]

Don't click or you'll get hacked

[@nonbeliever5027]

@@uhtredofbebbanburg9568 thanks bro

[@fenchi5387]

Matpat: Shows real ww1 photos Moments later: Shows battlefield 1 gameplay

[@manuelromero2339]

Was laughing pretty hard at that. Also calling the sinking of the Titanic “cracking in half on an ice cube”

[@rosesareredvioletsblue5438]

Movie creator: **makes historical inaccuracies in his movie** MatPat: _t i m e t r a v e l_

[@nerotoxin0661]

@@alanwalkers9646 bruh

[@BrotherTheory]

I love him so much! You are BRILLIANT, Eleonora :)

[@colmlooney5843]

Maybe not inaccuracies but rather inconsistencies in storytelling. This is rose telling the story after all

[@emeraldkoala2]

Yeah, but would you watch a fifteen minute video on tiny historical inaccuracies in Titanic?

[@itachiuchiha6912]

@gmail.com

[@jordanlilley6126]

4:53 is really starting to age well

[@jasperofthrones1310]

Everyone be gangsta till Jack starts time traveling.

[@bredbear9093]

@@sekoseko893 Ooops.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIDQdZt_ZdyAZsU

[@blondejesus252]

Is this durv

[@SheffKane]

Lowkey

[@dragonmaster613]

but is his grace strong enough???... oops, wrong Jack.

[@bredbear9093]

@@blondejesus252 No, this is Sparta.

[@DragonballBlack]

You stretched this one like laffy taffy

[@Ominous_Eclipse]

Who Knew BlackScape Watches Film Theory

[@anthonydarrigo7291]

Literally just saw you in geekdoms comments go outside mafaka (jk ily)

[@BPdoggo]

I don't think a laffy taffy can stretch but I might be wrong.

[@jillsandwich6808]

It's still tasty ;)

[@ooghaboogha4362]

I thought u were JustinY but of dragon ball videos only

[@palivivi]

Showed my mom this video and at the end she just said... DOES THIS GUY BREATHE?

[@elliyoung3050]

No,no he doesn’t

[@Danderfull]

@@elliyoung3050 He's a wizzard Harry! A WIZZARD

[@elliyoung3050]

@@Danderfull yes and Jack has the time turner

[@theuglydumbird]

your mom is asking the real questions

[@jiten9843]

Hmmmmm.......interesting

[@Folixcool]

It’s a teenage love story. And what Jack said is likely a coincidence. Well miss you, MatPat.

[@MrBrewman95]

I like the theory where Jack is a figment of Rose’s imagination and she used that imagination to break away from her class, family and Cal.

[@trojanhorse1247]

But if it's true, who drew her picture?

[@nojumper01]

@@trojanhorse1247 i did i am the true time traveler

[@trojanhorse1247]

@@nojumper01 oh facinting I should have known that

[@baconboi3108]

Stonks

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

@@trojanhorse1247 you did

[@corbinwisneski7219]

Yooooo, what if jack time traveled because he saw the outcome of the war. That’s why he had the moose sack!! The moose sack was used in the war in 1917

[@self4797]

good catch

[@FirstNameLastName-gh9iw]

His father took him ice fishing at a lake made in 1915 to 1917 so he was probably younger and not the age to enter the war

[@JohnDoe-uf8xn]

@@FirstNameLastName-gh9iw Maybe Jack's dad died fighting in the war and his going back in time was to try to cancel it out.

[@JohnDoe-uf8xn]

My theory is that Jack's dad died in the earlier US entrance to the war. Jack goes back to try to delay it. Jack talking about ice fishing was his remembering the good old days with dad. The moose sack was dad's, kept as a keepsake.

[@rakshayadav1799]

We are in 2021 and time travel has not yet been found. Do you think it would be in the 1920s

[@todd5purlock497]

Plot twist: Leonardo DeCaprio is a time traveler who went back to make sure the ship sunk so he could play in a movie about time traveling to make sure the ship sunk

[@cicingel3473]

LMAOOOOO

[@kle5449]

🥲

[@Carbon_02]

It's not a twist is a fact I'm just saying because of my personal experience of being a time traveler also I know you're great great great grand daughter she is very funny XD

[@marzipanmerci1068]

I once had a dream where I was forced to time travel in order to save this particular existent from his untimely death and anonymity, *which still got erased from the history* because he in turn also time travelled to the future in order to make sure that I got sent back in time to save him. This person got inspired by me, went and created a time travelling machine so that he could go to the future to personally send me back to his past where my appearance had inspired him to create the machine in the first place. If that's not a perfect loop, I don't know what is. My mind was blown when I woke up from that awesome slumber.

[@kle5449]

@@marzipanmerci1068 have you seen Dark on netflix? 😂

[@JamesGilman-y4f]

Mat Pat can make a theory on anything

[@AgnesBooth-zu7tw]

Could he is no longer on bussines

[@-RandomPlayer56-]

I love how Matpat can take the most outrageous theories and actually make them sound legitimate and make sense

[@IceMetalPunk]

People in the 90s: "The World Wide Web will give everyone access to information, so we'll never have to worry about propaganda or silly ideas ever again!" Baby MatPat: "We'll see about that... Information, you say?"

[@Theannoying_one]

You're so right

[@LucyWest370]

Yeah until you think about them later and you’re like “hol’up”

[@maikol1433]

yup

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

Yeah

[@fanofstuff1607]

I would like to add: this boat sinking led to increased boat safety, saving many many more lives.

[@veryhot2382]

OHohhhhh kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@JC_Cali]

That's where I thought he was going but he took a tur = WAR

[@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154]

@@veryhot2382 yeah yeah We already know how to turn pdf into Word

[@DevilSpade]

You add nothing he already said that :/

[@fanofstuff1607]

@@DevilSpade when?

[@N_Co_Fish]

The Writers make a few continuity mistakes Mat Pat: he must be a time traveler.

[@Kk-ik1xu]

When mistakes are glorified into hidden messages What a time to live in

[@TyTitan77]

actually, this theory has been popular before mat pat posted this. Search up titanic time travel theory on youtube

[@bucky8381]

Very true. but its still fun😊

[@builderofcastles]

A few continuity mistakes? There were holes big enough to drive a large ship through!

[@ChristopherFranklin235]

The time travel theory is fun, but the simpler explanation, creative license for the sake of relatability. Jack’s anachronistic references, like Lake Wissota and the Santa Monica roller coaster, were likely added to make his dialogue resonate with 1990s audiences. James Cameron focused heavily on historical accuracy in Titanic‘s set design and costumes, so these small details were probably minor creative liberties to evoke imagery modern viewers could easily visualize. The story is about romance and tragedy, not secret time-travel missions - but it’s definitely a cool theory!

[@aaronmonterroso9734]

Mattpatt saying "she died cause she real old the end" got me laughing lmao

[@BrotherTheory]

That's very funny! You are THE BEST, Aaron :)

[@Fckwitt]

I feel bad for laughing

[@ryanneumann3582]

Ok, @@Okay1

[@everett2367]

MatPat: Hear me out... time travel James Gunn: Write this down, write this down!!

[@r2020E]

@UCCrlFiQFAoY3x21q0Dk2J5g bald

[@twogo6386]

@@r2020E wats dat for

[@mdfranko]

Director: makes a few innocent mistakes in his movie Matpat: TIME TRAVEL

[@Super-qp8xe]

No he failed history

[@Super-qp8xe]

@XoxoClowds-es4hi he made mistakes in his history class

[@skull_lee]

​@@Super-qp8xer/wooosh

[@GlytchZero]

“I see this as an absolute win”

[@captnarwal5]

Another thing is that the sinking of the titanic told world leaders that there needs to be more safety precautions on boats like having a adequate amount of life boats and that we do sinking procedures on boats now so the titanic sinking also saved many lives because of that

[@SLagonia]

I think you're missing the more obvious Film Theory here; Jack is a time traveler, sure. He comes back, orchestrates a situation where he can get on The Titanic and sail across the globe on the historic vessel, which in his timeline is legendary. He's not some temporal agent, he's just a rich guy on a time travel holiday, playing a character. But then, he does something he's not supposed to do. He sees Rose about to jump and saves her. This sets into motion the events that cause Titanic to collide with the iceberg. This is why Jack is so surprised when the iceberg hits - This isn't the way history is supposed to go. He still has a plan, though - He'll bail out and head back to his own time before the ship sinks, so he gets Rose onto the lifeboat and then he'll be off... Only she doesn't get on the life raft. Now he needs to stay or she'll surely die. That's why he's so upset with her for jumping off. Ultimately, he dies and she survives and the whole timeline is messed up - And time travel is never invented for some reason and instead of being a time traveler, Jack ends up an actor...

[@desireer6915]

I love this theory!!! This needs waaaaayyyy more likes.

[@Stel367]

Yep just rose basically ruining everything, making almost 2k people die, messing up time, making us cry. You know normal things.

[@Lkid27X]

What

[@Luna_who]

This is genius

[@brendantv8520]

I love it

[@rjsouthworth5246]

Jack's presence on the Titanic actually caused the sinking in a simpler way: if the lookouts hadn't been distracted by watching him and Rose kissing, they would have seen the iceberg a few seconds earlier and the Titanic would have missed it.

[@rkbkirin5975]

Haha, that is a good point that should have been included. Whatever mechanism Jack is using for time travel, he clearly has access to key points of probability or else how would he have been able to win the ticket in the card game in the first place. He already knew what hand the Swede was going to play and how to beat him. (This rabbit hole just keeps on going!)

[@generalkenobianimations]

Ever seen HISHE

[@blitzyblook3315]

HAHAHA

[@whelpd]

But another thing would eb that after going back to search the crew would have noticed the lack of binoculars in the crows nest

[@offbeatnightcore2776]

I'm no mathmatologist, but I'm pretty sure that's their fault.

[@raphaelcestari272]

MatPat: JACK IS A TIME TRAVELER LOOK AT ALL THESE HISTORICALLY INACCURATE THINGS IN THE MOVIE! The people who worked on the movie: Yeah..... Definetly on purpose.....

[@ashply4306]

Yeahh I was thinking of the same thing😂

[@VietnamKermit]

Kola Bright what does that have to do with this though?

[@Vortex-fz7br]

More fun though

[@Phantom7251]

jpnewpic88.men xx

[@Isaiah_Robotics]

11:33 details early in this part should be mentioned,is Britannic which got blown up by a mine

[@ARC-Trooper-5555]

Another thing to point out is that Jack uses Filter Cigarettes, something that wasn't even around at the time. Also another thing I heard about the "Time travel Jack" Theory is since it's a James Cameron movie, Jack's purpose for insuring Rose's survival is because she's the Great Grandmother of Sarah Connor. Yes, it's far out there but it's something for the people who subscribe to this theory to enjoy!

[@grasshoper3770]

Makes more sense

[@GreyUsurper]

I honestly kept thinking his theory was going to bop into this one directly. His theory is good but not as good as "Terminator: Titanic" if only because his premise is based on the idea that people in an alternate future timeline where the iceberg disaster doesn't happen, somehow have figured out it would happen. Which given no one is there to see the iceberg, the ship famously states it's "iceberg proof" to paraphase it; which also would be way more glanced over in a history where it doesn't run into icebergs, etc. It's a lot of, "we know stuff from history were people were now never at, in the middle of the ocean, at night" to buy into them discovering that this one girl's suicide saved the ship but was disasterous in various other ways.

[@GriFFonRec4]

@@GreyUsurper Whats more likely? That the writers and director all missed crucial details in their props and stories, or that they missed the fact that it would be pretty hard to predict an iceberg hitting the titanic if the titanic didn't hit an iceberg in the future. Your statement is 100% logical and actually is hard to argue against, but at that point we are arguing who made the biggest blunder. They could have just had Jack tell time appropriate stories or have him with unfiltered cigarettes and such, but they didn't. But thinking so far ahead as to how did the future even know there was an iceberg to hit in the first place is more of a missable plot hole in my opinion. All time travel stories are going to have plot holes, just depends on how big and noticeable. Yours is actually a very crucial and insightful one, but ultimately pretty small and missable if you aren't a gigabrain.

[@Ramsey276one]

James Cameron Unified Cinematic Universe

[@陳心晨-i6q]

jpnewPic88.men

[@marten2857]

*Plot twist:* MatPat used a time machine himself to make the director put this secret lore into the movie, just so he could make a Film Theory video on the most iconic movie ever

[@johnmichael8462]

OHohhhhh.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIS2d5qNoamVgLc

[@thesong6984]

69 likes milestone.

[@marten2857]

@Crotchwhistle Purple keyword “children” 🤨

[@pinkdinoyt7565]

Me: Well, if old Rose is telling the story of Titanic, then it would make sense some locations and dates don't aline because she forgot what Jack said and tried filling in the blanks herself... MatPat: *TIMETRAVEL* Edit: let me clear something up. I get that it wouldn’t make sense for the directors to purposely add incorrect parts in the movie- I’m just saying I think it’s funny that , to make the storyline make sense, matpat would insist on time travel rather than a more realistic answer. Yes, I know that the movie probably just had some errors to it, I’m just saying that I would theorize way different than MatPat :)

[@ethanmorrow8274]

LOL

[@midnighthobbyt5161]

She was old enough to remember and write what happened in that ship, don't you think?

[@Thilykos]

Yeah, I was about to comment this exact thing. She could easily misremember small details like a lake name, etc.

[@kuluaii]

@@Thilykos okay but like why would a director PURPOSELY do that? yes thats the most logical explanation in real life but he is a sci-fi director. that would honestly be the most boring explanation

[@JS-my4jw]

Me before the theory: OK, I'll see it through. Maybe he has some good points or evidence that cannot be explained any other way to support his theory. Me after the theory: Really MatPat? Time-travel is a more likely explanation of the incorrect details than the old woman recounting the story misremembering or forgetting minor details (like the name of a roller coaster) and her mind just filling in the blanks due to not having a perfect, flawless memory of conversations which happened many decades ago? Yeah, no.

[@bobbywade3282]

This doesn't even acknowledge that massive impact that the Titanic Disaster had on passenger ship regulations. After it's sinking, it became mandatory for ships to carry enough life boats to support it's entire crew and all passengers (as it was not prior). This also being such a huge event, the "sinking of the unsinkable" and subsequent deaths of over 1,000 people provided a high-profile enough tragedy to see it done. 100 smaller ships could have sunk and killed tens of thousands but may not have had the impact of the Titanic. The sinking of the Titanic has saved thousands of lives, even to this day through the regulations put in place after it. Even omitting the whole WWI angle, it's sinking has caused a net-gain in human lives saved; making one mistake to prevent dozens of others.

[@FlamethrowersAgainstSnowflakes]

They need to release the 'Secret Director's Cut' with Jack in the alternate future preparing to go back in time

[@beenheretoolong]

Forget Avatar sequels, James, give us this!

[@boldisordorin9010]

Lol imagine jack thinking: ok i gotta sink this ship, hey look at this lady trying to suicide, saving her would sure do the job

[@KingPerun]

If he planned all this prior ( the ticket saga and the plan to sank) any delay would be bad, so he had to stop it, maybe he was looking for suicide attempts while walking around the ship.

[@whiskeyshaw8818]

Prevent her death to cause more death to prevent even more death! Confused yet?

[@MrJackfaire]

Voyagers would do something like this. 80s sci fi show where they travel through time not preserving it but changing it. "Give history a little nudge" to create the timeline that leads to their future. They will arrive to find that time isn't happening as their history books record it. So they have to "fix" it by changing history. Lincoln's kidnapped not by time travelers but by rebels which means in the "original" timeline the south won. But they save Lincoln creating the timeline they know. I'm not sure they thought of the implications of the show that deeply but it basically implied that our timeline is the result of time travelers messing up history. One of their agents gone rogue is even Jack the Ripper.

[@KingPerun]

@@MrJackfaire I didn't read correctly and thought you were actually talking about real life and ngl I had an egsistental crysis for a minute lol

[@nickpheonixify]

If he can time travel he probably just looped until he got a good ending. After all, if mat's theory is correct, every time he fails he ends up safe and sound since the ship doesn't crash so he can just time travel/jump back to before the poker game and try again.