Film Theory: Which of The Incredibles Is THE MOST Incredible? (Disney Pixar's The Incredibles)

[@trevorritzke2099]

Couldn’t it also be that Mr Incredible is a little smarter than we think he is? I mean, if he had exerted a hundred times the force he used in the train scene, he would have stopped it instantly, killing everyone. We know that he can control his strength due to him being able to punch people and not turn them into a bloody pulp. Also, look at him saving the guy who tried to commit suicide, if Mr. Incredible had used the force he used in the train scene, he would have murdered him. It seems like Mr. Incredible could just be using the absolute minimum force he needs to in every situation we see him in for fear of completely destroying what he is trying to protect. In the robot scene, he uses as much force as he can since he either saves his kids or fails and all three die. I just like this explanation more than the ‘family love’ explanation

[@pigmentationyeet6848]

Trevor Ritzke 50/50

[@rootbourne4454]

Trevor Ritzke Yeah, that makes sense.

[@jakubgrzybek6181]

Trevor Ritzke or train had forward momentum, while robot downward. Meaning there is no friction involved with stopping the object. If Mr incredible had bigger feets train would stop faster.

[@fantaientertainment4163]

Trevor Ritzke yep Exactly

[@shawneastridge8180]

True. If Mr.Incredible were to use all his strength to stop the train completely, it would have caused a deadly whiplash to the passengers inside.

[@snorgardark1908]

To be fair, Mr Incredible did not give out when the train hit him, the ground beneath his feet did, so he could be much much stronger than his environment allows him to be.

[@joachimp1184]

Also, people got seriously hurt by the change in speed inside the train. If he had stopped it faster, which I don’t doubt he could have done, everyone inside would be in a much worse state

[@HappyCharlie-c7k]

Agreed

[@sirmant1651]

Plus, he's not heavy. So even if he was super strong the train is much heavier.

[@HappyCharlie-c7k]

Something tells me by his size he is heavy.

[@sirmant1651]

@@HappyCharlie-c7k Let's say he weighs 200 kg. He can't stop a train weighing 537311 kg without getting pushed a lot.

[@mung01re]

Violet might also have the best reaction time of the family. At the start of the film, she put up a field remotely in Dash’s path to intercept him. So her force fields aren’t just insanely strong but can appear basically instantaneously.

[@mulch2]

Dash was moving in a circular pattern, by the time dash realized there was something in his way it would be little to no time to coarse correct. Also take the weird helicopter scene in the cave, when dash realize that a helicopter what’s coming his way he took time about two seconds to change his path

[@2763yearOldYoyleBread]

I think Violet is the best since she is just a teenager and she will become better at some point although she’s already over powered in my opinion since she can technically lift stuff and fly technically. Not including Jack Jack since he’s still a baby so his powers are undetermined at the moment.

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life that is so cool

[@brianrivera4449]

@@mulch2yes but that first part should be something to say for violet cause she beat a speedster at reaction time

[@Elmo_The_Frog]

I think that violet could also beat anyone in her family in a death battle. She could just make a tiny forcefield in their body or brain and then expand it. Instantly she wins as her opponent explodes. It's pretty graphic but it's a possibility in my opinion.

[@trajanfalk9283]

I love how MatPat determines at the beginning that the movie takes place in 1962 and then, a couple of minutes later, uses modern missiles to determine Elastigirl's strength.

[@was3513]

I think he did that because Syndrome has more modern technology compared the time the movie takes place in.

[@isaacwestover1767]

Personally i thought that it was her suit that absorbed the impact because we see when Edna was introducing the suits, that Elastagirl's suit could withstand missiles.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

​@@isaacwestover1767 but this also implies that her suit and even she herself can withstand the shrapnel, which might even be more impressive

[@Messier42-handle]

@@was3513 yes but this is a gulfstream-based plane, which was made atleast after 1970

[@blakenilsen9852]

It's also the suit that protects her not her powers lol idk how he missed that

[@sgtsmartykins]

When I re-watched this movie, I took the message as being not that you have to be born special to be super, but that even people who aren't born with special powers (Syndrome) have the potential to be super, but because he became too obsessed with the approval of others, he lost sight of his true goal and was brought down by his own inferiority complex. If he had used his intelligence for the betterment of people and not focused on Mr. Incredible's discouragement, he could have been just as heroic as the rest of them. It's not about whether or not his intelligence counts as a power, but how he chose to use it. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.

[@val_ue]

I mean, considering the existence of Edna, a very intelligent person who works with superheroes, yes, I agree with what you said. Edna, unlike Syndrome, used her intelligence for good.

[@breadgirl9806]

@@val_ue I couldn’t agree more when you take into account all of the factors Edna has to account for in her super suit. You can tell she is just as intelligent as syndrome if not more (especially in the 2nd film) where she makes a baby safe super suit for Jack Jacks’ 100 powers in a single night. Including one that can track Jack Jack when he is in a different dimension. She could easily turn herself into a goddess herself but she fully immerses herself into art that supports people who can save the world.

[@AbbaZabbaOlyFrn]

I still don't get why intelligence is not considered a superpower. Both Edna and Syndrome display genius levels of intelligence when it comes to their imagination, engineering and inventing abilities. They are also brilliant and cunning strategist in their own right

[@waffleten9750]

@@AbbaZabbaOlyFrn Because intelligence is something that can be learned by gain by most people yeah it's really hard but nothing ( in fiction) is stopping you from becoming as smart as you want.

[@AbbaZabbaOlyFrn]

@@waffleten9750 doesn't that apply to OP supers as well? Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone didn't become that skilled and honed into their powers overnight. You can see that in Violet and Dash, they're barely tapping into what they can do with their powers. But I get what your saying, super geniuses really cannot physically display their super power, they have to use other methods

[@ameliarose47]

The fact that Jack Jack got kidnapped and everyone was like "Oh No Jack Jack!" And Jack Jack was out here like "Nah I'm OP I got this". The funniest part in the movie.

[@NickAndriadze]

It almost made me punch my monitor because how infuriated I was by a literal stupid baby beating my favorite villain. Just throw him away, Syndrome, just end this devilish infant's whole career!

[@ButrintZeqiri]

Syndrom:RANSOM TIIIIIIIME jack jack:YOU BETTER SHUT UP I HAVE THE POEWR TO DESTROY TO WORLD 10 TIMES OVER PIECE A TRASH. everyone else:WHAT THE F---

[@ButrintZeqiri]

@@NickAndriadze O_O

[@kucing3826]

@@NickAndriadze your fav villain just stupid in the way of act and being mature that's it. unless why he chose to revenge on all superhero because he ain't gifted since born and just have technology, doesn't he ever heard of batman?

[@Yourmom-tm5ht]

@@NickAndriadze yes sir

[@f.r.etling]

Also Violet and Dash are kids. Imagine them as adults

[@theawkwarddolphin4752]

I know right

[@theawkwarddolphin4752]

And I bet if *they* had kids imagine how much stronger than their dad they would be

[@rsmith8156]

@@theawkwarddolphin4752 that might depend if they can find another super like their parents

[@SupSaffron]

@@rsmith8156 *Alabama Music Starts Playing*

[@rsmith8156]

@@SupSaffron Ha!

[@hacklordmonster8780]

there's one thing you missed in the calculation: friction. no matter how strong the father is, it's still the rails that hold him. friction only resists up to a certain amount of force, which depends on the rails' friction coefficient and mr incredible's mass, so unless he weighs like a few tons he is gonna slide no matter what.

[@PokeMageTech]

He can’t stop it TOO fast or the passengers go flying and get severely injured. Also, he’s redirecting some of the force downward.

[@hacklordmonster8780]

@@PokeMageTech it doesn't really matter that he redirects the force down, because in doing that he just lifts the train a little bit, so it might add a little more resistance if the friction between his shoes and the rail is higher than the friction between the wheels and the rail (which is likely) there's still a limit to the force he can apply. in addition, rails generally have a lower coefficient to allow the train a smooth ride. i might be wrong and there might be an element of him trying to moderate the slowing down, but either way the point is that that scene is not a good indication for his power at all. tl;dr: while he might be able to maximize the friction by lifting the train, i don't think that would be noticeable enough to allow him the further control over the slowing rate. i might be wrong though it depends on too many variables.

[@Bongcloud_0]

Bro already weighs a few tons💀💀💀

[@TheSucram729]

@@hacklordmonster8780it would probably injure the passengers far more if he lifted them up

[@ToMyDearestFriend]

Exactly. He calculated strength very poorly in almost every instance.

[@chunkyunicorn3996]

When Violet grows up and her force fields mature more/become stronger, she’ll most likely be one of, if not the, most powerful supers in the world

[@Faust4541]

jack jack: hold my beer

[@samuelbugs]

Actually very true!

[@mothell6697]

The new baby i think its like a hundred times stronger.

[@killok8153]

Bud you forgot Jack Jack

[@penielrobles]

chunky unicorn what abou baby jack jack

[@pisti7252]

Considering Violet is still a teen, and we would not know what would she do if that happened to her future kids, she might still be the strongest

[@fruitdrops3822]

Jack Jack entered the chat.

[@NickAndriadze]

But movie doesn't show it, it's all speculation on your side. :)

[@joakrage3972]

Besides dash will get taller which might be able to make him run faster

[@johncarlortiz2672]

12:31 twerk it

[@Thetravelingmonke]

@@johncarlortiz2672 oooh kinda hot

[@callmechriss_4367]

Actually if Mr Incredible stopped the train at once, it would most likely get destroyed in the impact killing everyone in it, so he couldn't use his full strength on it.

[@melodienollenberger5336]

good job tying up loose ends.

[@yourlocalmathgeek4815]

My thoughts as well.

[@ADerpyReality]

Invincible

[@legendarysoil1064]

agreed

[@joostine3720]

@@ADerpyReality exactly what i thought too

[@evanwirth7881]

He forgot a very important part: Edna’s suits. They are the reason elastigirl was able to take the explosion and they enhance everyone’s abilities

[@bababoi15]

Thank God someone else noticed that

[@junglebunny7061]

Yea everyone except dash was analyzed with a suit

[@pair_of_dice]

that's what I'm saying

[@PunishedNegativeZer0]

Are we just going to forget the fact that Mr. Incredible punched the Omnidroid 8.0 well over 30 feet with only his right hand? He didn't even seem exerted afterwards, and it was before he did his exercises too.

[@pranav2169]

a month late to this but the first droid seemed a lot smaller, both in height and width. I'd assume it wasn't too sturdy either, because he struggles a LOT more to lift up the newest version. just my 2 cents

[@PunishedNegativeZer0]

@@pranav2169 the newest version seems like it is digging its arms in though. I think it is pulling itself into the ground. I recon the weight is similar though, as Mr Incredible was able to just shoulder charge the Omnidroid as it held onto that office space.

[@yourlocalmathgeek4815]

I calculated the force required to do this in a previous comment, and calculated it to be just under the strength required to do his feat with the final omnidroid.

[@pipstix5487]

I would like to make what I believe is a valid point: Mrs. Incredible's suit is the thing that saved her against the explosion, NOT her own powers. When she got her suit, the person giving it to her said that the SUIT reflected everything. The SUIT.

[@sloaneclark398]

Eva Russell Edna (the “suit-giver”) proves this by including the scene where she introduces the suits. She blows them up to show off their strength!! 😁 I feel smarts!!

[@dippingsauce9545]

She never said it reflected anything just that the suit itself was virtually indestructible, honestly not saying whether it'd able to protect the person. It doesn't absorb everything.

[@nathanevans1382]

Eva Russell IT DOESN'T MATTER!

[@benjitraverse3826]

The suit does reflect the explosive shrapnel, however the main calculation here is the FORCE exerted by the middles. The suit is very flexible for her meaning there is little to know impact resistance, so the force of the shockwave would be full exerted on her. She doesn’t get impaled by shrapnel and burned by fire, but she does feel the full shockwave

[@toxic_ytgam3r961]

Eva Russell there we go... somebody who actually KNOWS what is going on and actually looks and listens carefully to the movie

[@KJ_Wynn]

I’m late but I thought it was Edna’s “Virtually indestructible” suits that saved Helen, Violet, and Dash in the crash as foreshadowed by the missiles in Edna’s display case

[@Aurich88]

In order to actually protect the children from the force of the explosion, she must have resisted it with her body. If she merely formed a durable blanket around them, she would just become the medium through which the shockwave splats the kids. I mean yeah the missiles in the display case were totally meant to narratively explain their survival, but when you think about the physics the video happens to be right.

[@kanganaga1787]

As someone else pointed out, the wearer still takes a heavy hit, as when Helen passed out.

[@KJ_Wynn]

Ok

[@jaime8309]

Helen's head didn't explode though

[@KJ_Wynn]

@@jaime8309 well if you look closely at the scene, she stretched her neck around so her whole body was inside the suit

[@Bonesintheland]

I came here to see who would win in a death match, but I got an amazing message that family is forever and that our parents love us more then we could ever know. 😭

[@pair_of_dice]

so disappointing

[@justaweirdguy376]

“Who’s the strongest?” Mr Incredible: *Very poor choice of words.*

[@adwans1491]

?

[@ariwinkie3507]

I'm going whith jack jack

[@Jpx0999]

@@ariwinkie3507 jack jack is... The jack card

[@ariwinkie3507]

@@Jpx0999 more like a king lol

[@dando541]

Adwans it means strongest as in brute force, that’s the joke, when he counted the rest of the incredibles that weren’t pure strength, like pretty much the rest of the incredibles.

[@itsmehailey4931]

Imagine Baby Ollie is like “Dad, I need help on my homework.” You’ve just unleashed Professor Pat.

[@mirandathepandakitty1630]

Dad pat

[@zapfilmsyt]

Oh farting fricey nimphey lokinsckihy

[@wilburf3784]

"STEPHANIE ITS TIME"

[@alporan7423]

Math is math

[@mrmiku-yk8jr]

*Little Ollie. babies dont have school

[@funsoisola2767]

There is also the fact that Edna shows Helen how her suit protects her from explosions, so maybe she didn't take on that explosion outright. Looked up the scene and Edna says, "Virtually indestructible," when the rockets fired at the suit, so we can't really tell how much force the suit absorbs from explosions just from Edna's words.

[@leecason4582]

Funso Isola that's true

[@tundrab.r.o8010]

Thank you Funso, i was thinking the same thing.

[@somdudewillson]

Edna showed her that the suit could withstand explosions, not that it would protect the wearer from them.

[@TheSergio1021]

Being knocked out from the blast says otherwise. She didnt die, but she felt it.

[@diraltmcallister3523]

Helen's elastic. Everything got wubwubbed from the explosion, that's all

[@siddgoyal9433]

In your analysis of Violet’s powers, you forgot to account for gravity on the robot - mass and weight are not the same thing. Since the robot is under the effect of gravity, its mass should be multiplied by 9.8 m/s to get the weight. Both Violet and Mr. Incredible are vastly more powerful than your calculations show.

[@allthingsaddi]

Yeah the whole video is full of ridiculous physics miscalculations. Showed this to my physics professor from last year and he cringed the whole time. He says MatPat would’ve failed his class with a video like this.

[@christinahe8442]

He did multiply it by 9.8 m/s^2 to get 181 million N, which is the weight

[@NeroDefogger]

how can this have 135??!! that's precisely the thing, indeed we confuse weight so much we double confuse it, indeed mass is not force, we automatically usually assume the earth's gravity and multiply by 9.8, and we usually have to stop that and actually use the mass in an other way or use a different acceleration or gravity, but PRECISELY this time, what? they are not on earth? they have a different gravity? if that is your point then say so, the only assumption made was precisely the one is usually done, that we are in earth's gravity, and indeed the number is multiplied by 9.8, 135 people really were confused about that? and then I get mad about the ACTUAL things that are sketchy...

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life

[@NerdyCatCoffeeee]

and the robot would be intentionally accelerating downwards, so that's oughta add a couple kg

[@miteihiro3283]

So here's a second theory about Mr. Incredible stopping the train vs catching that robot. I don't think he was struggling to stop the train. If he wanted to, he probably could have stopped it dead in its tracks. I think he was more so struggling with slowing it down bit by bit to not harm the passengers with the momentum of the train when it DID come to a sudden stop. It's actually harder to limit yourself sometimes than it is to just go all out. You have to focus much harder in the precise amount of strength you're exerting. I've had to work with moving large, heavy object and moving them carefully and precisely. It is definitely much easier to give it all your might, than it is to limit yourself to something more precise. All and all, 100% is easier to muster than say, 40.2%.

[@yarglewithwings9112]

also leverage plays a huge part in it - when stopping the train, Mr. Incredible was limited by the amount of friction the tracks could take before being destroyed. He was also in a terrible position for exerting force.

[@sleep170]

oh ok

[@PMSTTR]

Yeah, if he stopped that train in the blink of an eye, everyone in there would instantly die

[@BoobsIndeed]

Not to mention that even though Mr. Incredible can absorb that force, the ties underneath him that he was bracing against could not. So, his feet had to break through several of them before the train stopped.

[@NotSoOriginal06]

Eren Kara bars

[@OllihuAkbar]

When Mr. Incredible stopped the train he was basically just leaning against it, letting it crash into him and slowing it down only with the friction of his stance but when he lifted the droid he was actually in a position where he could use all of his muscle arsenal to push against it.

[@spoonages]

Olli Smart

[@minhi007]

Spider-Man: I JUST STOP A MOVING TRAIN AND ALMOST DIED Mr. Incredible: hold my beer

[@jspaceman]

*injures passengers*

[@arjun-gf9mo]

*baby

[@leopard2a6yes85]

*stopped

[@rileyh07]

Baby child=spidey *Spider-Man is a great character but hasn’t had a lot of time to improve and is clearly still being affected by the loss of his father figure tony*

[@ResaChiic]

elastigirl also ends up stopping a speeding train xD

[@sev8608]

Idk why anyone doesn't notice that Bob doesn't really get hurt from blunt attacks and only gets wounded by the Omnidroid's sharp claws. His durability is off the charts too and he has a jar containing bullets that bounced off him during his prime and in his room with all the newspaper and achievements, one of them shows he swam through a typhoon in an ocean and rescued a ship full of people off the ocean.

[@wastingmytime7258]

A couple quick notes, if I may: 1) When calculating Mr. Incredible's strength using the train, you didn't account for traction. It doesn't matter how strong he was, his feet were planted on wood and concrete, which broke under the force of the train. You can see the wood flying away as he speeds down the track. It doesn't matter how much force he can personally exert, he could exert ten times your estimate and still run into the same problem. If he can't brace himself, he can't slow the train down enough. Not to mention, he wouldn't WANT to stop it dead in its tracks, since that would kill everyone on board. 2) Your missiles are misdated. You made sure the train and passengers were set in the 1940's, but the missiles you referenced began development in the 1970's. 3) You didn't consider Elastagirl's supersuit. Edna Mode SPECIFICALLY stated it was resistant to missiles. In her demonstration scene, she shot two at the suit, and there was no damage at all. 4) This entire premise is based entirely on one definition of raw strength, and doesn't account for usage. Mr. Incredible may have a physical advantage, but his powers would have a hard time injuring anyone in his family. Elastagirl's stretch would make it easy for her to evade direct contact. Dash is just too fast to hit. Usage wise, Violet could potentially have the deadliest powers. Not only can she stealthily attack just about anyone, but her forcefields are solid and can appear anywhere. We see her use them to disrupt electromagnetic fields, so why can't she use them to slice through matter? However, her age is a disadvantage. She has NO IDEA what the capabilities of her powers are. She is one of the least trained of the family. Unlike her parents, with years of experience, she works on instinct, and doesn't even know that her forcefields could deflect bullets.

[@KendrickBFG]

Tilty Misneach my intelligence is being increased by this comment section

[@wastingmytime7258]

Thank you!

[@Reversisms]

I think you meant "Will not want to stop it dead in its tracks"....

[@wastingmytime7258]

Oh, oops! Proofreading fail. Thanks for catching that!

[@ColinPowell-ks1fl]

Nerd Alert

[@lolbitproductions6214]

Imagine how Edna feels about the capes incident. She clearly remembers the date of when it happened, where it happened and who it happened to of all the cape incidents, meaning it had to be a traumatic experience. Imagine the guilt of knowing that 5 people died. (Idk how many it’s been a while) Imagine the guilt of knowing they died in suits you created. Now imagine the guilt of knowing that they died because of a certain design you used. No wonder she lives in an entire mansion alone, isolated from everyone but her customers.

[@wholehog2koisablaze208]

Dam that is...TRAUMATIC

[@kokichiomakingofthegays8019]

Damn, this just got dark

[@seavord]

cool you also read stuff on the internet

[@Dragooses]

P

[@maribelbecerril5622]

Lolbit Productions and the worst part was that the deaths were brutal!!!!

[@viktorstade]

When Bob stops the train, the force he can exert is limited by the friction his feet has with the tracks.

[@anchoriticparliament6343]

FINALLY, THANK THE LORD. Not you, clearly the lord is responsible. (jokesth)

[@Tzizenorec]

Whereas, when stopping the Omnidroid, he's wedged between it and the ground, letting him apply his maximum strength.

[@markkuseoun5652]

Been looking for such a comment

[@-Sober-]

I was thinking the same exact thing

[@lieutenantskeleton3249]

Also going on about the adrenaline that parents get when their kids are in danger he factors that in for bob by it Helen when he calculates hers

[@Bush846]

We gotta appreciate the fact that Matpat and his team took so much time out of their own lives so that they could edit this masterpiece

[@joshuatuiwainunu2017]

With Elastigirl its actually the suit that helps her survive. If you watch it again, you could see that she actually remembered what Edna said about the suit within the moment the missiles were about to hit the jet. Also if you look closely, you could see that she ducked her head inside with her kids to protect it. Between the four I believe that Violet is the strongest, I've been holding on to that argument ever since I was a kid watching Incredibles multiple times. But from all five, Jack-Jack is by far the strongest seeing how he was able to go through Violet's shield in Incredibles 2.

[@emyasoul8858]

@Ryan Lastname If she put her head into the suit to protect it just like she did with her kids, then why would it have exploded?

[@emyasoul8858]

@Ryan Lastname If that's true I can't see it from this video, even going frame by frame. That does explain your question though, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye on that scene when I watch the movie next. ^^

[@tonywayne_irl]

Jack-Jack is not the strongest but has the most versatile power.

[@nicktara9812]

@RyanLastname Even if she did protect her head, that amount of force os still able to knock her out. Heck, the suit might be able to survive direct missile hits like Edna shows, her head is still vulnerable to inertia

[@aspect7438]

I still feel as though Jack-Jack is still the most powerful because as of now he is still a baby who can't control his powers. Once he can he will be impossible to hit with him being able to disappear through dimensions and can appear wherever he wants to

[@lightnight9822]

Mat: “who is the strongest incredible?” Jack jack: “hah easy-“ Mat: “we aren’t including jack jack” Jack jack: **sad noises**

[@abhaymahata2504]

Ha ha ha ha

[@Т1000-м1и]

185th like, also a reply from 3 dsys ago daying hahahaha

[@LowQualityCarbink]

219th like....btw just telling ya Check this edit | | U Jack jack after these two comments:😢

[@motherofbeurds]

Imagine Mat Pat trying to include Jack Jack into these calculations XD Edit: Now that the others said it.... 278th like :3

[@joaquinm9148]

GODDAMN THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@127mfan]

Solid work as usual Matty, there is one small issue though. In the case of Elastigirl, Edna stated that her suit is virtually indestructible and it was even shown to unaffected by small missiles. When protecting her kids, she wrapped them up in a ball and tucked her exposed head into the ball. The explosion hit the suit and not her body. Therefore it is far more likely to assume it is the suit that can withstand such force, and not her.

[@davidhong1934]

Why isn't that woman designing super-strong alloys and plastics for use in daily construction?

[@aniruddhachaudhari3160]

David Hong she must be as shes shown so rich but she must be boasting about making hero costumes more

[@aniruddhachaudhari3160]

So in that way all of them get costumes so we will have to calculate their powers and not the costume because they are wearing those costumes

[@Jaydaguap]

I was just about to comment that

[@revali6934]

Can't think Of a name ~not exactly, Mr. Incredible was wearing his old suit when he stopped the train

[@Boojum_Tree]

7:44 I believe her suit is designed to be super durable, and in the demonstration, we can see that it is resistant to a large variety of hazards, including intense heat. Now, typically, blast force would be a hazard, but this is a character who is naturally durable as heck, and naturally immune to blunt force, like Luffy from ONE PIECE. However, assuming here body has a similar chemical structure to a character like Luffy, who is composed entirely of rubber, heat would be extremely dangerous, as rubber and other flexible materials are not immune to melting. On the matter of the exposed parts of her form, in the original scene, she can be seen tucking her head and arms into the shield as she rolls into a ball. This was just a thing I noticed and wanted to bring up, so yeah.

[@sonic15561]

You forgot frozone. Oh wait, he can't find his super suit.

[@jaseandjames3623]

sonic1556 he cant

[@posho9780]

his wife.God damn it

[@DAEDAEANT]

W

[@jukemasterbf847]

Honey!What!WHERE IS MY SUPER SUi

[@ethanlopez9069]

sonic1556 how does this have no likes??? 😂😂😂

[@RBTGamming]

Regarding the Mr. Incredible stopping the train, maybe he just didn't want to kill anybody on the train with a sudden deadly stop. Also the concrete was giving away at feet, causing him to slide.

[@lelxd]

Royal Tyger's Media this

[@CanisMythson]

It would also be physically impossible to exert a higher amount of force then he did, because it was perpendicular to the ground, meaning the only force he could rely on to bring it to a stop was friction.

[@neokai5511]

Clever, although if that was the case then why did he struggle?

[@neokai5511]

Good physics

[@neokai5511]

By the amount of force he calculated used to stop the train, and the sliding force, Mr incredibal would be theoretically able to lift a volcano

[@tan-tan5913]

Imagine how concerned Mat’s parents were when he was a kid

[@Izzy.likes.singing]

Ikt

[@Yoshi-uw1bv]

Look mat! It's a Disney movie! They are full of fun family friendly messages! Kid Matpat: Actually...

[@o.8.p149]

He probably wasn’t like this until a little later

[@theweirdochannel8735]

@@o.8.p149 yeah, but imagine if he was.

[@danbasford7456]

DadPat, "Sigh, this is why we can't watch nice things."

[@SerbiaCapital]

As a train nerd, I love to hear MatPat using accurate terms for railway stock. Awesome! -Jack

[@theCodyReeder]

So you can only push on something as as hard as you can push on something else if that something happens to be the rail ties your standing on you can only push on the train with the breaking force of the ties which is substantially less than the ground and I imagine is less than the force Mr. Incredible can put out. Also with the train he was pushing at an angle which make it even harder. Though I'm just being a nitpick, I really enjoyed the video.

[@cowbones6864]

He was having to rely on friction in the train scene also.

[@EndieGLITCH]

Cody'sLab He was pushing more with his arms than his legs. Even though the rails were still being pulled with his legs, he wasn’t pushing on the rails enough it enough with his legs to break it.

[@theCodyReeder]

True, in fact this is a good macroscopic view of how friction works; his feet dig into the rough surface of the track bed providing a resisting force. Its not quite the same though since the force reaches a maximum with very little downward pressure I.E his feet break through the material rather than ride over the bumps.

[@theCodyReeder]

EndieGLITCH Huh for some reason I thought the ties where shown breaking, guess I imagined that, it would make sense but if that is the case than it does come down to simple friction which is still the thing he is pushing against.

[@viviannoah8039]

Thank you for everything

[@Anthem127]

Edna would of been super pissed when she found out you didnt use her new super suits resistance to damage when calculating moms strength..... You can say her face was exposed but it wasnt, you can clearly see it when she wraps everyone up. Also Edna was super surprised Dad tore through his old suits mega mesh.

[@TortoRacoon]

I bought one of these elastic vests from amazon, If you hammer them they come out intact but you still smash anything bellow the vest if it's not resistant. The suit from Edna was resistant and shared the same elastic properties as the intended wearer, but was not an armor.

[@sowhat6061]

I’ve actually countered this a couple of times. The suit was made to be damage resistance or for lack of a better term “indestructible” meaning it can’t be destroyed and provides the wearer some protection, however, it is never stated that it desperses all of the energy or the force from any attack. This is further backed up by the fact that she passed out from the blast proving that the wearer does bear the effects of an attack. She would still have to have the natural ability to withstand the force of the attack which is why the FORCE is what was calculated. She still withstood the force of the blast even if she was protected from it.

[@JubbaBubbaJR]

@@TortoRacoon Edna literally says while showing her the suits that they are "virtually indestructible" before shooting missiles at it

[@JubbaBubbaJR]

@@TortoRacoon also, its a kids movie

[@hellostranger6525]

She would also be pissed at Syndrome wearing a cape XD

[@skylathorpe5086]

I want to hire Matpat as my lawyer

[@xijinping4354]

Skyla Thorpe well played

[@arimasuguru8068]

So i prove skyla Thrope Not Not Not guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rflxcrusaderproductions4141]

Same

[@directorwafflejr4120]

I bet u 100 bucks that my moms a better Lawyer Pay up dude :P

[@bruhceyda]

Skyla Thorpe Not if I hire him first

[@Small_child_punter]

This was an incredible movie that I encourage everyone to rewatch. You really appreciate the nostalgia.

[@basixlena]

The fact that Violet was almost over her dad. Is prob the fact she hasn’t trained her power unlike her father. She has tried to hid it. But if she trained like her dad or got older. Yikes she is unstoppable unless she’s allergic to kryptonite

[@mangolian3773]

Jack Jack can teleport and basically face into a different dimension, amount other stuff...so violet ain't that crazy :/

[@treshkun6257]

@@mangolian3773 still crazy compared to the rest of the world Just less crazier than Jack Jack

[@TheUltimateMilkChannel]

Jack jack will murder the entire solar system

[@tiogaboyz4487]

She can make a tiny force field inside you and then make it bigger until you die

[@supportivegoat8063]

I mean like the only person who could stop her is Jack Jack because of all of his super powers and how powerful he is

[@hippopothomas1980]

there is one thing you forgot to take in calculation, sudden stop to the train will kill the passenger in the train, so super dad are actually holding back his strength when stopping the train. or else it too coincidental to stop just at the broken rail at that nick of time.

[@djeeno]

also lack of friction as well as the opposing forces excerted by the friction applied and railroad ties (sleepers).

[@itshard4361]

yeah that actually makes sense. he was holding back so that the train would stop at the slowest rate possible.

[@ellalalalalalalalalalalalala]

oh shot good point

[@ellalalalalalalalalalalalala]

Amazing one, he said *if* it was a sudden stop it would be bad. so he made sure it stopped slowly, so no one would get hurt, so he held back a bit

[@mjm3091]

He also forgot about hero costume that Elastic Girl wore. That was pretty much indestructible clothes, as Edna showed before. But they were not only meant to be indestructible, but also impenetrable - so, Elastic Girl putting her kids inside of her, also protecting her own head, could have pretty much create pseudo-force field.

[@eduardoniemeyer6485]

Helen doesn't absorb the missiles, the suit that Edna made, as set up earlier in the film is missile proof

[@AR-qv7iq]

Eduardo Niemeyer the foreshadowing no one saw coming?

[@thehutch4823]

SVS mmmm no I don't think so. There would be no reason to make the suit missile proof if it couldn't save the person beneath it.

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

The Hutch It’s that way so she doesn’t break it when she stretches. You scientifically can’t be stretchy and be able to actually stop the force of an explosion. Also that statement is like an asterisk you put in the corner of the screen when you make a commercial! “Come down and get your missile proof suit now!” *You will still die if you get hit by a missile :(... BUT YOUR SUIT WON’T :D

[@SavageEntertainmentYEAH]

Fighter jets are g force proof for the most part. You can make almost 90 degree turns withou damaging the plane, however the person on the inside can be killed from the g force. So the suits durability doesnt matter. We even have bullet proof shirts, but the wearer still suffers broken ribs while the shirt is left unscathed

[@ShrexualTension]

And her completely exposed head?

[@kommieafterlife2635]

I would like to point out one thing about your calculation with Mr Incredible and the train: while he may have the strength to push large objects, at the same time the train itself is a fragile object. He is most likely not exerting his max force because if he did, he'd tear through the front (it'd be like that scene in Invincible). He'd have to accommodate for the low (relative to him) tensile strength of the train metal and glass and use selective bouts of his strength to decelerate the train rather than push against it with all his might

[@SlippyJos]

Did he just "forget" about the fact that Edna created Elastigirl's new suit to be able to withstand or reduce damage upon her body? We saw her shoot bullets and rockets at it right? And the suit was unscathed after the test too right???

[@FraserSouris]

Her suit is similar to that of Mr. Fantastic and Spider-Man 2099 in that the suit will never tear but can still take damage through the suit. We saw this as Helen was almost knocked unconscious while her suit prevented damage from burns etc.

[@chabbab6698]

Right? You are an rhetorical genius right?

[@BreezePleeze]

I was about to comment the same thing. That's what I always thought helped save Helen and the kids from the explosion and not Helen's strengths.

[@Mcredking1]

Exactly

[@tovekauppi1616]

SlippyJos yeah, that’s what I was going to comment as well.

[@jigglybells-3-312]

most likely violet didn't expect the massive metal body so she didn't use all her strength you can tell by here facial expression by the way she looks up.

[@thealgorithm7921]

Sorry but this is a pixar movie i doubt they thought that far

[@jigglybells-3-312]

@@thealgorithm7921 well it was worth a guess ;-;

[@bobbiejcampbell3297]

@@jigglybells-3-312 grijq7l vsp

[@Reeceeboy]

@@hexifi she had like 0 secomds of notice

[@Jaronimo9]

Why would she ever think to use less than 100 percent of her power when saving the life of not only herself but also her little brother? She definitely used all her strength, but was obviously still scared.

[@user-wk7yi2ji5h]

I want this theory redone now that Incredibles 2 is out Edit: 2k likes?? tysm guys :D this is now my most liked comment

[@user-wk7yi2ji5h]

@Rocky loll tru but i want to see how it would line up

[@fierypillow3134]

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[@user-wk7yi2ji5h]

@@fierypillow3134 😂

[@frostbite0707]

me too and I hope matt does his math better considering that he ignored that Edna demonstrated the suits being missile proof thus negating most of elastigirl's feat of surviving the missile attack.

[@speedypichu6833]

@@frostbite0707 Pichu! (But the suits won't save your head from getting obliterated, Cinema Sins pointed that out)

[@stevenarvizu3602]

About Mr. Incredible being stronger when his child’s life is in danger, it _can_ be described as hysterical strength, but I believe what you were referring to was neural inhibition which is more well researched. Humans do not use 100% of their actual strength due to neural inhibition, where the nervous system uses a series of inhibitor neurons that are attached to other neurons in the body so that as a signal is sent to to a muscle to move, it gradually loses some of the signal sent which reduces the action potential (the actual movement of that muscle) of a given muscle. While scientists do not know for certain why this exists, what we do know is it essentially keeps you from using all of your strength at any given task. This is likely an evolutionary trait that keeps your body from operating on a knives edge, where using all of your strength without a reliable source of food renders your body incapable of finding something to eat before starving to death whereas a more efficient approach may make you able to last longer between meals as well as keeping strength in reserve for when it’s needed. Scientists know that your body mediates these inhibitors, meaning they are not roadblocks, they are doors that your brain can open or close when needed. What could make them open? Desperation. The mix of endorphins and adrenaline is likely to cause one of the greatest fight or flight responses of your life, which could cause your body to open the neural pathways and giving you access to your body’s full strength, while afterwards you would be incredibly tired and exhausted, you would likely feel almost twice as strong for time. Also the reason this is not scientifically proven is because it can’t be tested with a control, since reproducing an experiment where the subject believes they are going to die is a board of ethics violation, but it is well documented

[@driesberens4452]

When Mr. Incredible is stopping the train, he can't exert any more force than the railroad ties can support at a time, so the incredible feat of strength seen at the end of the movie could simply be his full strength without the limitation in the strength of the railroad ties.

[@NickAndriadze]

I agree. Mr. Incredible is truly, the incredible. More then holds up his title of incredible.

[@its_xany3655]

why didn’t he do the math for the dad holding up the force of the robot when it was trying to crush his kids and he didn’t pass out from it like violet so technically he is stronger

[@mrjohnjohn1219]

That's gotta be some super strong asphalt though...

[@godw1ll99]

@@mrjohnjohn1219 the full force of the train being funneled to a tiny point, his feet, increase damage out put.

[@williamklemp3764]

I had a similar thought, but was based off the velocity of the train. I figure he COULD have stopped the train instantly, but he knew doing that would cause massive injuries to the occupants due to the whole newton's laws thing

[@dylanglover7394]

Hellen could only survive the missiles, and protect her kids, because Edna made her suit to be able to protect her from dangers like that. There is even a scene in the movie of Edna shooting multiple missiles at her suit from a very close distance and the suit is left in perfect condition

[@bbgun061]

Also airplanes don't have 10cm thick skin. Their skin is about 1mm.

[@yuval2440]

My thoughts exactly! Thanks for bringing it up

[@fredhagen-gates8091]

Exactly. It was all the suit.

[@BigaloMax]

Just because in the material of her suit is heat resistant and shock resistant Destin mini can artificially absorb the force applied. She would still need to hold the structural Integrity of the bubble to make sure to force is not transferred to her kids and their bones get shattered. Essentially the suit would only help against the shrapnel and heat not the blunt force energy being applied.

[@retrobentley6818]

Dylan Glover you are right.... Take that into consideration MatPat!

[@NeptunesOrca]

MatPat, your 'Hysterical Strength' explanation for Bob Parr's sudden dramatic increase in strength is logical, but there's something you failed to consider. When Mr. Incredible supports the Omnidroid, we see him support the Force directly, even being located at, or very near, to the centre of gravity, resulting in his ideal situation to support such a force. If you watch the train scene though, there is a very different system at work. You see, the limiting factor of the system when stopping a train is not how much force *Mr. Incredible* can exert on the train, but rather how much force his *feet* can exert on the ground. Because Mr. Incredible exerts this force on the train, we know that he is also exerting this force on the ground beneath him. The only way for him to exert this force upon the ground as he goes is through friction. We clearly see throughout the scene that he is moving, with his feet sliding upon the concrete, telling us that he is experiencing the weaker of frictional forces, "moving" or "sliding" friction (as opposed to the stronger "static" friction). Now, the equation of sliding friction is quite simple: F=N*u. F, where F is the force of friction, N is the Normal force (the force acting perpendicular to the surface), and u (technically a Greek letter 'mu') is the 'coefficient of friction', in this case, the 'coefficient of sliding friction'. Now, coefficients of friction vary dramatically with between each set of surfaces, but we have to make a few more assumptions before we get started. 1. When Mr. Incredible pushes against the Omnidroid, he is using close to his maximum strength, meaning that the maximum force he can exert is 181398476 N. 2. We see Mr. Incredible break crossties as he tries to slow the train. Now, these are pretty hefty pieces of wood, so breaking them neatly in half is normally a feat of strength. However, with the forces we're dealing with, it really isn't that much of a challenge, so we'll just accept that they break, and absorb a relatively substantial amount of the force. To account for this, we'll be generous and say that 30% of the total force is absorbed in the breaking of all of these crossties (though it is likely less). That leaves us with only 126978933.2 N of frictional force to exert. As well, to stop the train, the 30% absorption means that a minimum of 933.1 kN must be exerted to stop the train. 3. We also see Mr. Incredible brace for the impact of the train, setting himself at an angle to more easily transfer the force to the ground beneath him. With a protractor, I measured his chest to be at a roughly 45 degree angle to his feet, and his head at roughly a 60 degree angle. I'll be using the 45 degree angle for my calculations, as it will return a more conservative estimate of the frictional force applied by reducing the normal force (using 45 degrees also makes the math easier for me, because I don't have to do trigonometry). 4. Mr. Incredible is a pretty muscular guy, and relatively tall, so we'll put his weight at about 250lbs, or roughly 1.125 kN. This is fairly insignificant in terms of the forces we're dealing with, so we'll just ignore it. Mr. Incredible's weight will have a very limited effect on the end result, being about 1/1000th of the force of the train, even after taking off our 30%. Right, let's begin. Forces can always be split into their perpendicular components along the x and y axes, so we can say that the force Mr. Incredible transfers along his body can be split into components perpendicular and parallel to the ground. So, in order to stop the train, Mr. Incredible must exert a parallel force of 933.1kN. Since he's at a 45 degree angle, we know that he must also exert a perpendicular force that is also 933.1 kN. This perpendicular force is what we will use for our Normal Force. We know the maximum Force Mr. Incredible can exert is 181398476N (as per assumption 1), but he can only use 126978933.2N of that in Frictional Force, so by using our formula F=N*u, we can calculate the coefficient of friction that would be required for Mr. Incredible to use his full force to stop the train, and compare that to coefficients of other interactions to see how reasonable such a coefficient would be. Crunching the numbers, we get a coefficient of friction of... An astonishing 136.083! Now, to most lay-people, that probably doesn't sound very far fetched. Most lay-people, though, don't have experience with coefficients of friction. Anyone who has seen these equations before, though, can tell you, that coefficient of friction output by our calculations is simply ridiculous. To put that number into perspective, most coefficients of friction are less than 1.The highest coefficient of sliding friction I could find was Aluminum on Aluminum, at 1.4. Static coefficients don't help us here either, with Silver on Silver also coming at 1.4 (Aluminum is a bit of an anomaly, with a higher sliding coefficient than static coefficient). Rubber on concrete (a more comparable example) has a maximum coefficient of 0.8 As such, it's pretty simple to see that Mr. Incredible, try as he might, is *certainly* not going to be limited by his strength while stopping the train, but rather, by the strength of his boots. With any reasonable coefficient of friction, only about 3% of Mr. Incredible's strength could actually be used to slow the train, leaving 97% of his *possible* exerted force completely unused. So although hysterical strength is *an* explanation for why he could suddenly lift almost 200x his previous record, a much more likely explanation is that in his previous record, he was only using up to 3% of his possible output.

[@eelboy3098]

NeptunesOrcaII wha?

[@Gamagal100Channel]

Man that's the most well thought out comment I've ever seen, respect man

[@personhuman2239]

Jesus man.

[@Jacob-qr8pl]

NeptunesOrcaII Here! Here!

[@Mat0llig]

I was just about to say something like that... but with far less math... With the train, it was more about friction than strength. He was, essentially, a door-stop.

[@os5403]

The thing is: all the moments picked out for the superheros were life and death situations٫ except for dash. Helen was saving her kids from death٫ Bob was Saving his kids once٫ and the lives of dozens of strangers a different time. And Violet was protecting herself and her brother. Meanwhile٫ Dash was pulling a prank٫ so the stakes were not as high

[@TenemaesLament]

There's a simpler explanation: Stopping the train with his full strength would have decelerated it so quickly, it would have killed the passengers. He was hoping he had enough track left to decelerate the train without killing anyone

[@Moctop]

That, and the wooden beams under the rails breaks under the force..which is outside of Bobs control. If he was fixed the ground, maybe he could stop it on the spot.

[@Kalakcha]

Yep, dear MattyPatty forgot to account for friction and the ground conditions in his first hypothesis. But we love him anyway :)

[@daianaaguirre6047]

nzkowlfojdy

[@gamingfoxy4751]

Accurate

[@robinfalkner-wedge824]

also friction against the rails, we saw how much damage he did to the track while trying to stop the train, didn't have anything sturdy enough to stop him.

[@juanpabloalvarengalopez3127]

Maybe Bob wasn't even using all his strength to stop the train, because if he stopped the train with all his force, the people ON the train would feel ALL the inertia of suddenly stopping. So he tried to stop it gradually to limit the amount of force that the innocent civilians were feeling. But anyways nice conclusion MatPat. Great Theory!

[@normund8348]

Not to mention if he used his full strength he would just destroy the train.

[@matthhiasbrownanonionchopp3471]

Juan Pi Alvarenga interesting statement

[@finian2]

I believe he did attempt to stop with with all his force. The main reason why it seems to slow down is due to Bob digging his feet into the ground, and the ground tearing up underneath him. Personally I feel like the example he used proved the strength of the train and the ground, rather than Bob himself.

[@quazar4773]

I was thinking that too

[@blanknope4358]

If he stoped the train all at once the beams of the tracks wouldnt support him

[@Martinawhoops]

It's not Helen's body withstanding the blast, it's the suit. Look at the scene where Edna shows her the suits

[@ChrisBailey]

that's the first thing I thought. I'm surprised matt didn't think about that.

[@PommeDeTerre8]

The same could be said about Mr. Incredible lifting the droid, he didn't have the suit when stopping the train but he does when stopping the droid.

[@tbgaming5201]

You are 100% right

[@Daanmytime]

Hannah But the suit isn't the source of his strength

[@sidthesloth5596]

Hannah The suit didn’t make him stronger, it just makes him durable

[@NDG_Hzrd]

I would like to point out, the Death Battle referance at the very beginning of the video. Brought the biggest smile to my face, my two favorite channels in one place BUT I was really hoping to see Wiz and Boomstick in this episode

[@c.i.a.7391]

It’s the suit , not her body, remember E said that he suit was quote “ practically indestructible “

[@PotatoesGottaPotate]

Her face wasn’t covered, it’s her powers

[@noahsheeley2618]

Her face might not be covered but it doesn't stop herself from stretching her face into the little protective sphere

[@c.i.a.7391]

John Kasperwicz it’s not her powers, she put her head in the bubble around her kids

[@CorvidusStupidus]

Take Matpat of the watch list please

[@xcloner9875]

It wouldn’t matter the suit being indestructible doesn’t account for the fact that there would still be all of those pounds of force pushing onto the suits fabric so although the suit may survive she would have been crushed therefore still making her as powerful as Matt pat calculated

[@jacobmartin8332]

I am pretty sure that in the movie it explains that Hellen Parr's Super suit was made blast resistant. If anyone has anything as proof against that, I would happily see it.

[@Darkkan13]

The Zesty Potato. What about her head?

[@Justin_9423]

Darkkan13 she tucked it in with her stretchy rubber powers

[@D.A.R.C.I.]

Darkkan13 having no head protection is probably the reason the blast flexed her neck and head so hard that she got knocked out

[@justussmith5168]

That’s what I remember, I remember when she was being told about her suit that it was indestructible or something like that. Then her head she could of just easily tucked her head in with the kids 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@joe_mama_5911]

thats what i was thinkin

[@Geninacra]

Another factor that you forgot: Friction. Bob could not exert his full force on to the train becouse he would destroy the birdge by clinging the feet in to it. On the other hand, the ground beneath Violet allready was compressed.

[@knockoffterminator2718]

Alekay Argote I thought I was the only person who thought that

[@adilsongoliveira]

Take my thumbs-up, I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it sir!

[@josegar30]

Alekay Argote was about to comment that stopping something is not the same as pushing out force

[@ѕтєниєвяи]

Matt also didn't notice that Violet didn't pass out because she passed the limits of her powers, she passed out because her "shield" hit her head. I'm pretty sure she would've been able to continue if it didn't hit her. And the shield didn't get destroyed because of the robot. The robot just pushed it down, it was the fact that violet passed out that broke the shield

[@Geninacra]

Steph. Maeby. But think of this. The robot could bounce the shield with his... "hands". But Bob stoped the full force in flat. Either way, he is stronger.

[@SashaIsSick]

If you think about it, people with super speed also have super endurance because of the fact that they can run for so long, and so quick. Not to mention, the fact that they would also have really tough or special skin to not give the person friction burns.

[@SierNotsruht]

And extreme reaction speed

[@jamesmorrison1308]

It's because his force exerted on the train is limited based off the coefficient of kinetic friction between his feet and the train tracks; he's sliding. With the omnidroid at the end, he is able to exert more force, because the downward force of the omnidroid is pressing against the ground.

[@AzraelAkumaJustSomeNPC]

Great, someone noticed that you can't exert the max amount of force when you're sliding on the ground. You need a steady surface that can push on you as much as the train is pushing you.

[@Czah5]

This and I also think that it has alot to do with the fact that he is not trying to bring the train to a sudden stop. If he did, the front of the train would collapse, derail and kill many (if not all) of the passengers.

[@tigermixilatorman]

was looking for this comment

[@jasonfreddie1276]

Yeah, his physics calculations seem a bit off

[@RaceBeacon]

James Morrison what i was thinking

[@acelegenda.x6135]

Pixar is just Disney without having all the characters singing every 10 minutes

[@chillyswiss5698]

which is why its better

[@Chanceogal]

@@chillyswiss5698 exactly!

[@chillyswiss5698]

@@Chanceogal :D

[@gdjrfhtgdyyfb7224]

@@Ethan.YT. what

[@donteclarke9955]

@@Ethan.YT. Shut up

[@rengar7086]

When he was trying to stop the train, don't you have to take into account his footing? Also the fact that if he stopped the train too suddenly, everyone inside would be killed or injured. I think it's possible that he was trying to be gentle when stopping the train in order to avoid this, and plus I doubt the tracks could have withstood the same force he could, so if he had tried to stop it immediately, the tracks would have broken.

[@DeadShoes]

I was thinking the same thing. You can clearly see some wooden parts of the track breaking and flying around on first impact but after that he sort of slides over them.

[@maxphilipsen1942]

Yeah and also with elastigirl her suit was made to withstand and protect from explosions

[@colejohnson9902]

Hobbert i was just about to comment the same thing till i saw your comment. So I'll just like yours and hope it gets up there for him to see it. He goes through every detail he can with the jet but not with the train he should also consider the angle he's standing at to the train. And like you said his footing and the tracks breaking underneath him.

[@markbrown3587]

Love the video and all the work you put into it. (I agree with Hobbert) I would agree with the increased strength to save a child but I think it is more reasonable to say that the low numbers on the train were not full exertion because the train tracks could not support Mr Incredible's full strength. When he was on his back holding up the robot he could exert all his strength. - Compare your ability to push a car while standing on a flat road to pushing a car with your feet against a wall. You can never put your full strength into pushing the car because your feet will slip on the road but not with feet against the wall.

[@melaniemontesino6680]

Hobbert 😲

[@Chihana]

I don’t see any comments regarding the fact that Violet took that hit to her force field over and over and over again before passing out. Not to discredit Mr Incredible, but he only took one hit in the comparison.

[@teamcybr8375]

Buddy was always kind of a sociopath. He showed no remorse for nearly getting an entire train of people killed and letting a supervillain get away. He was still screaming that he was good enough. He was always in it for himself.

[@dragonpearl5599]

Good point but he meant that since he was so determined and smart that Poxar shouldnt have made him killed people or something

[@lollypopp4240]

The Brennan he also killed like a dozen people to get to his superior ranking compared to mr. Incredible

[@teamcybr8375]

Dragon Pearl Well, we see geniuses on the good side too. Edna is clearly brilliant. Not to mention it is heavily implied Syndrome sold his weapons to dictators in 3rd world nations. "Turns out there are a lot of people in the world who want respect, and they will pay through the nose to get it."

[@dragonpearl5599]

Yeah i know i said u had a good point but i was just staying what MatPat meant. I know there are lots of genious superheroes.

[@Piyestagram]

Theres a bit of communication error here. The point was that buddy worked super hard to get where he was and very determined that it wad pixars mistake of making him a bad guy when many people should look up to hard work and dedication. Its a shame that a character that gone through that just to get the villain end. Its like naruto not being inspirational for working hard because the writers wrote him out to be a villain.

[@itsbk6192]

But how did he find his supersuit? *top 10 questions science can't answer*

[@javianbrown8627]

It's Bk maybe it was in his drawer... That's where I found my cat

[@cattledogandstaffy]

Edna Mode made all his suits, that's explained in the movie

[@Sicarius_Avindar]

I believe he's referring to the scene where he's frantically trying to find it when his wife moved it :P Look it up if you've forgotten, it's legendary in it's amazingness :)

[@batfan1939]

cattledogandstaffy It's BK was referencing the scene where Frozone sees the giant robot outside his window, and his wife asks why he needs to know. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmPUg3eDfceLl68 They never show her agreeing to tell him, he just shows up to the fight in costume.

[@awesomegaymer5786]

he didnt. he needs to get a new suit every other week

[@plutosstudio]

The thing is... Violet also experienced the hyper strength at the end like Mr. Incredible. She had to save her brother, and of course she would get that rush of adrenaline. Still, she is only 16ish and will probably be stronger than her dad when she is an adult.

[@adventuretime9736]

shes 14

[@shlokshah5379]

Mind powers generally don't work like that

[@mrsirmaam5150]

yeah but adrenaline doesn’t apply to violet colored force fields

[@thehanamarasinghe8146]

@@shlokshah5379 man forgot about Saiki K

[@Lomatsotima]

And she just had learn how to make a bubble enough to fit a human

[@justacartoonlover9658]

I'm so happy I found this. Incredibles was always my favorite PIXAR movie (It's between it and WALL-E). Also regarding MatPat's idea of "what the movie was about" the director's cut gave a little insight on that; it's a balance between the fantastic and the mundane within family bonds. Hence why the whole climax battle is the family arguing over the remote. :)

[@Moonstar79]

Elastigirl didn't survive the explosion by her own means. Edna mentioned in the suit-testing scene that their suits were, in fact, missle-proof. Edit: 14 replies and nobody told me that I spelled suit wrong?

[@agnieszkamajewska7232]

exactly!

[@avivrebalsky6150]

yea! She couldn't had never survived the missiles if she was without the suit. but i really liked the video anyway, He's going deep into details and it concluded right anyway.

[@sergiogee6899]

Yup her suit helped her survive

[@awesomegaymer5786]

unless the suit is 1000s of pounds of metal shes still being crushed on all sides by the force of the missiles

[@Moonstar79]

@@awesomegaymer5786 Ooh, maybe. I think the jet took the most damage though, the explosions being what her suit repelled. Idk, it's a fast scene.

[@FunBoxGamingPOG]

I am not biased, but even I would be afraid to look at MatPat's searching history.

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

*Coward*

[@h8ney]

@@SpagettiSpeltWrong I JSJSJSJSJJSJSJ

[@BabyKicket]

Helo vader

[@Pisanggeni]

@@BabyKicket And I'm from a completely different movie

[@natalee8223]

Hello there

[@StickMaster500]

Obviously, the most incredible superhero has got to be Frozone and his super suit

[@pokefan7446]

StickMaster500 But where is it?

[@michaelamoffatt3770]

WHERES MY SUPER SUIT

[@Venetian.sienna]

StickMaster500 what!?!?!?

[@rubbersoul8830]

WHERES MY SUPER SUIT!!

[@realhuman5119]

He can’t find it, tho :/

[@kaydenlobert317]

Helen's Suit was designed to absorb exposions so I feel that the estimate of the force she absorbed is faltered.

[@damonguzman]

So to clarify, the reason Mr. Incredible was able to apply more force onto the omnadroid than he did to the train is explained easily. When pushing something, the amount of force you apply is entirely dependent on applying force to the ground. Since he was standing on wooden train tracks instead of solid ground, the tracks would be breaking away under the pressure. In contrast, Mr. Incredible lifted the omnadroid on solid ground. It's similar to how in Spiderman 2, Peter isn't able to put his foot down in front of the train and push on the tracks to stop the train. The tracks break away. So instead he has to web tbe nearby buildings and use enough webbing to spread the force out equally to not break the buildings apart

[@Saint_Arod]

Right? Seemed like a huge oversight.

[@ethanrapp5102]

yeah I'm surprised he missed this. I was having flash backs to my Statics class and all the calculations using coefficients of friction we did.

[@Т1000-м1и]

Yeah....

[@baronlewis6446]

But it did break the buildings

[@ronronny943]

That Adrenaline strength is so true. One time I was in a car accident and my car was completely on its side. The only thing keeping it from rolling down a mountain was 3 small trees. With the drivers side on the ground I had to open the passenger door and do a one handed pull up to fling myself out of the car. I’m not a very muscular person and at the time doing two pull ups with both arms was a big struggle. In a life or death situation you really do have great strength.

[@samanthawest8699]

You have been through a lot then I've never even broken a bone or been in a big crash (respect)

[@Т1000-м1и]

This story made me scared for a second because that's such an experience and being scared is not just being scared but also just when alot of stuff

[@ilovemwadforever]

You did a one armed pull-up..

[@trilloff]

He had trouble with the train because he didn't have enough friction... It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you don't have footing, you can't stop a train. The droid was in the perfect position for Bob to lift it straight up.

[@jasonmaritz6269]

as well as the disregard in terms of brakes the conductor would have slammed the brakes doing some of the work attributed to Mr incredible

[@gevanilauzon2079]

He also didn't account the fact that Mr incredible didn't just stop the droid, he lifted it and threw it, which would far outperform violet's feats

[@Grannit666]

I was thinking the same thing, this channel seems to always overlook the way things get lifted/pushed.

[@mykulpierce]

Does Bob's feet break railroad ties as he tries to stop the train too? He's able to hold his form despite two lateral forces pushing in opposite directions at his center of mass.

[@lampion4490]

If that was over 180million N, that means it should weight over 18M kg or 18000tons. that's 3000cm^2 of his feet ... p=f/s so, p=180,000,000N/0,3mˆ2 (3000cmˆ2 = 0,3mˆ2, which is 600M pascals, dont tell me the road would hold this much pressure. Surely not np

[@Jana-uj2ig]

Maybe Dash dosent actually run fast, but perhaps he can create time bubbles around him that slow down or speed up the environment around him. So the reason he didn’t create huge blasts of wind when he places the tack on his teachers chair is because he isn’t going fast. It’s just time perception. That is my theory on fast superheroes

[@andrewgoode7640]

Well Elasta girl was wearing her super suit which is "completly bullet proof" and can withstand missile Soooooo that may not be her strength

[@oliverlindgren4447]

Andrew Goode I thought that first too but the blast force would push her "parachute" together. Holding it up like that must have been her own strength? Or have I missed something?

[@jacksteel1539]

Pretty sure she isn't known for deflecting shrapnel

[@carlwilliams5850]

Andrew Goode good point

[@GoodSoupM]

what? no she turns into a ball to shield her kids using the suit then passes out. After that she turns into a parachute after she wakes up mid air.

[@tammyhonore5468]

And AND that wasn’t a boing it was a privet jet

[@asmen229]

Frozone's wife could have beaten Syndrome because she would have put his SUPER SUIT away

[@SuperAmaton]

Asmen 22 Ahhh nice one!

[@AStrangeTree]

The flaw in the villain of the Incredibles is that he moreso romanticized the "glory" of being a super hero, as opposed to being a hero for the sake of doing good. Because of this, he went to insane lengths to fabricate that same glory for himself. That's why his story arc should not be praised.

[@kevinlu846]

He wasn't doing it for glory , he did it because Mr Incredible didn't let him be his sidekick since he wasn't super. He wanted revenge.

[@QuakeGamerROTMG]

So he would be a target of Hero Killer Stain then.

[@NunyaLastnameington]

Learjet with countermeasures was made after the time frame of the second half of the movie

[@jahdequartz]

I feel like when Violet is an adult she’ll truly be the strongest. It’s still new to her.

[@Faust4541]

jack jack: hold my beer

[@Framlii]

@@Faust4541 there are actually theories that this is normal with babies. They have multiple powers until their personality develops. That is why everyone is so unbothered by it.

[@Faust4541]

@@Framlii oh but i mean he literally shown in the movie to be able to exist among different space and time

[@nutmeggaming11261]

Violet also had very little time to defend the Omnidroid attack, so she likely was not using the full extent of her power.

[@liverpoolfan3314]

Framlii I agree but now that I think about it if it is normal with babies and and their actual power doesn’t appear until their personality develops, why did mr and mrs incredible name dash, dash

[@NinjaKingAce]

Syndrome isn't a villain because he's a self-made super, he's a psychopath who doesn't view superheroes as real people. He kills who knows how many heroes to perfect his death robot, but the real clincher is how he acts after blowing up the plane with Mr. Incredible's family on board. In a fit of rage, Mr. Incredible grabs Syndrome's assistant, and threatens to kill her. Syndrome responds by saying, "That doesn't seem like something your character would do." I'm paraphrasing, but what's important is that Syndrome sees Mr. Incredible as some kind of comic book hero come to life, and that's probably part of the reason Mr. Incredible rejected him as a sidekick all those years ago. He wasn't doing it to save lives, he was just in it for the glory and/or to impress his hero. He didn't seem to understand that being a hero is dangerous. And that's the core of Syndrome's character, deep down, he's a disillusioned fanboy, lashing out at the hero who scorned him. And he was willing to kill heroes and endanger civilians, just to prove a point, instead of making an angry KZbin video like a normal person.

[@Meccarox]

Yep

[@dolanedits825]

NinjaKIngAce me with the Dolan twins😂😂

[@peachypatrick]

Oof, preech

[@MoonFallSlump]

Mr incredible could've mentored him and changed his ways, the boy was an impressionable kid who couldve easily been trained

[@DrMissJess]

he could have, but if Mr. Incredable saying "i work alone" was enough to do that to him the kid was screwed from the start

[@karysbennett3248]

Well, you forgot one main point. Violet and Dash are still considered children. While the mother and father have had 15+ years to perfect their powers, Violet and Dash have barely begun. Dash would of only just finished the stage of going through powers (like Jack Jack) and Violet would still be learning how to use her powers correctly. One could also argue that the only reason Violet's shield stopped working, was because she looked up at the robot, allowing fear to pause her adrenaline (the same way it does if you look down while crossing a tightrope high up in the air). Also, she had already taken several hits to her shield before that, with no time to create a new one and you also have to remember, she is a child and the fact that she was able to survive those first few hits, proves her strength already. Dash's powers are still manifesting so his powers (normally) should continue to grow stronger.

[@vaguemallory575]

Karys !! Wow long

[@nix6940]

He's not talking about potential power, that's impossible to measure. Also, "woulld of" is nonsense, it's "would've."

[@vvinum.]

Nix not to be rude but the actual correct grammer is in fact should of. Should've was a grammar slang term created after that

[@kjcruiser7855]

If Violet was completely Fearless right at that moment car Shield will be still strong enough to withstand all that force from at least 10 ton robot

[@saadwibalaji1867]

ThatD3rpSqquid no??? It’s a verb. He. Should. Have. The abbreviation of that is “should’ve”

[@jackcabaniss9571]

"Hey, we're going to put your kid under a car! Go lift it!" -MatPat 2018

[@TheSPLEEFKING]

You forgot Frozone, his strength to deal with his wife not finding his super suit ore godly.

[@BDSquirrel]

He's not one of the Incredibles. So, no dice.

[@ChromieZone]

BarkingDeathSquirrel killjoy

[@ilias5468]

The Big Moist ha ha ha ha ha

[@everyting_kamkam4334]

Ikr

[@jspaceman]

WHERES MY SUPER SUIT

[@vickiesimpson2264]

Violet is the only one with a non body related power and she STILL has a body related power invisibility

[@tdvgaming7174]

What? How could you do this, IT'S UNFAIR

[@Julian_Ree_Kyrell]

Mr. Incredible wasn't on his limit at the end, because when they are, they pass out, like Violet did some seconds earlier. So in fact, he could even be much stronger.

[@steelpump100]

Actually no, you only pass out when you overcome your limit by a HUGE amount, therefore Bob COULD have more potential, but it's most likely that he has already reached his limit, judging from the fact he BARELY managed to stop the L-Train.

[@zekedia2223]

I think he may have unknowingly skewed it for elastigirl.

[@batumag3403]

Watch the end

[@Eevee-sz7xe]

But Violet went out for like 5 sec. So she can go over more than her limit Role model=Violet

[@toalesovikk7168]

Taking a blow and lifting are two Seperate things. Getting hit real hard can knock someone out but lifting doesn't unless you're holding your breath.

[@hsm4983]

This is NO WAY the standard thickness for aluminum boeing commercial airline skin is 10cm. That's insanely thick. You can double check this with lived experience: you can literally see the aluminum panels as you board a plane. theyre more like a 10th of cm thick.

[@connoresmondo]

His search history must be pretty suspicious.

[@Angel-wh4hg]

Chandler!

[@connoresmondo]

Mónica Geller hey honey!

[@n_0094]

Pornhug. Need to censor that for KZbin, thus *hug.*

[@shxhebx2039]

How to break into a diet coke factory

[@connoresmondo]

amar gutic lol prolly

[@casmaiDN]

It could also be that Mr. Incredible was just holding back when stopping the train. becuase if he stopped it too fast he wouls just slam right thorugh the train not saving anyone. But hey that's just a theory

[@bright2671]

Aaay film theory

[@catlebat8124]

sunny day and cut

[@keiganm1287]

His super power is strength when he lifted the robot he was dead lifting. Stoping the train is a much different applications of power. Take the strongest dead lifters and hit them with the weight vertically they gonna be beat by it.

[@shubhamkandalgaonkar337]

200000 IQ

[@northerngatorade]

a capsies theory

[@jnthnpitts]

You're missing a crucial point. The deceleration of the train took longer because Mr. Incredible didn't want to stop the train outright since that would have probably killed everyone in the train due to their inertia relative to the train's. He could have stopped it instantly, he just chose not to because he knew about inertia. Seems to me like intelligence is also one of his superpowers.

[@monsterking7676]

yep, Kind of like how this channel pointed out a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago how superman would just snap louis' spine every time he saved her at the last second from falling from a skyscraper.

[@NeedSleep008]

jnthnpitts to be fair, even if he didn't try to limit his strength with the train, the deceleration would still be limited by one factor; the ground. Newton 3 would mean that whatever force he exerted on the train, the ground/tracks would have to exert in him, and that's limited to the material strength.

[@robopopelka4921]

The crucial point is the lack of friction under his feet, maybe if he wasnt sliding backwards when stoping the train he would just stop it immediately. It doesnt matter how strong he is if he cant apply his strenght because he cant anchor himself.

[@vitordias8144]

And i think there's another point he is forgeting, if Mr Incredible takes it to a immediate stop, all the wagons in the back would fly and crash on each other, since they're attached to one another, instead of being a single object

[@ahmednaief8161]

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[@friedeggz3707]

You know it’s bad when you understand the math MatPat is doing because you’re learning it in your science class rn 💀💀💀

[@Hazzikaze]

MatPat: “Get it? Prick? Because it’s a thumbtack?” KZbin: DEMONETIZED.

[@sheiliaflyr6520]

Demonetization!

[@whiskeyshaw8818]

Thumbtack: exists KZbin: DEMONITIZED Logan Paul: FILMS A CORPSE FOR FUN KZbin: Meh

[@mulacKa420]

In that seen the techer is huping the are 😆😂😄😂😄

[@danny_douglas]

Mat: STEPHANIEEEEE!! Steph: What? Mat:Where’s my Diet Coke?! Steph:Whaaat? Mat: WHERE, IS MY DIET COKE?!?!

[@kelseypaiger]

Steph: I... I put it in the fridge. Mat: ITS NOT IN THE FRIDGE! Steph: why do you even need it anyways? Mat: ITS FOR THE GREATER GOOD!! Steph: the greater good?... I AM THE GREATEST GOOOOOOD YOUR EVER GONNA’ GET!

[@Zzucia]

Danny Douglas - Lol perfect!

[@firetail227]

Danny Douglas THE COKES

[@NomanUpsilon]

Lol

[@elibonner7892]

Danny Douglas beautiful

[@guccidrift5713]

That moment when MatPat forgets that Edna made Elastagirl’s suit resistant to missiles

[@matthewjones6786]

The suit is "indestructible", it doesn't cancel out the force produced by a missile. She'd still be using her own strength to maintain her shape.

[@fokuu8582]

Does a *THIN* suit help?

[@arceusarceus3091]

And what about her head?

[@willcstgd]

Arceus Arceus Her heads inside of the ball she created

[@samuelandrews3383]

She made a ball with her body and put her heard inside of it. @@arceusarceus3091

[@SuperBeastGamer8952]

In the movie, Edna says that she made Elastigirl's suit missile proof, so the fact that she was able to defend her kids from the missiles could just be her suit.

[@Mico_0-c9w]

I would have thought the reason Mr Incredible didn't stop the train in an instant was because it would cause the train to crumple and derail completely

[@DaBoomDude]

Miguel Peralta also how much grip can his feet give - my guess is that he can't put all hist strength into the train because his shoes are well past their grip limit

[@kingdoc5143]

true

[@devinb.6301]

And because that was before he started working out

[@spiritsofthesky]

Miguel Peralta I was thinking more along the lines that those tracks aren't the most sturdy things. Like you can see him sliding on the platform and the rail ties snapping behind him

[@peaj4812]

Devin B. Um no that is when he was in his top physical condition, when he was active in superhero duties. In other words it happens at the beginning of the movie.

[@dax8155]

Matpat, did you think about the fact that when Mr Incredible was stopping the train, he had to do it GRADUALLY. If he stopped it instantly he would have killed everyone on board.

[@nazadtoibibou4276]

Chanson balawasy clo mahajaga

[@AskunChanel]

thats make a lot more sense

[@doicaretho6851]

What the heck That scene would honestly be much cooler.

[@itsjustdragon2461]

well, it's pretty obvious :0

[@solotommy95]

THANK YOU!

[@TheJakeHurd]

Edit: Thanks for the response everyone! Unfortunately, I did the math and physics wrong and the numbers here are way off... Sorry guys. I pulled a 10' Wario over here. =) I appreciate the attention though. Just goes to show physics is REALLY hard, but I still had fun trying to run with it. Kudos to Damian Kilsby and Jaiden Fairclough for pointing out some of the issues. Hey MatPat, this is a long comment, but I noticed Dash's speed to be oddly low for being able to run across water, so I ran through some physics on surface tension to check your work: First, let's try to use averages where we can. If Dash weighs 32.5 kg, Earth's gravity will hold him in place with about 319 Newtons. Based on his weight, his foot should measure about 22.2 cm (US Size 4) at 10 cm wide. For simplicity's sake, we'll use an ellipse for a single foot's Area (π*22.2*10), so we should have 697.43 cm² or .069743 m². Next, we need the number of Newtons it takes to break surface tension. We'll once again make it easier on ourselves and say the water is 10° C to get a nice 7.42 Newtons per Meter for surface displacement to occur. Lastly, we need to know how long it takes for an object to break that tension. Luckily we have high-speed cameras (thanks Slow Mo Guys) that shows water tension to break around .00436 seconds. Now that we have our numbers, let's do some solving! To remain on the surface of the water, we need to spread our 319 Newtons over an area to get our safe 7.42, so ---> 319/7.42 = 42.992 m². This area can not be used yet, as Dash's foot doesn't cover a full meter, so we need to know how many *feet* or Steps it takes to cover that meter ---> 1/0.069743 = 14.338 Steps. Now, we can multiply the two together to get how many steps it takes to cover a square meter (S/m²) ---> 14.338*42.992 = 616.418 S/m². Only a little more! Now we take our S/m² and divide it by the time it takes to break the surface tension. ---> 616.418/.00436 = 141,380.734 Both of Dash's *FEET* need to be moving at least 70960 meters per second squared (half our previous total since he won't be hopping) or an astounding 158129 mph in order for him to avoid going under the water. *_That's Mach 92!!_* Finally, with the _hope_ that I've done math right, Dash's minimum output should come to a sweet *_2,297,430_* newtons of thrust or 516,483 pounds of thrust. Ultimately, Dash is still the weakest of the family, but he deserves a lot of credit for technically outrunning the rocket his family used to travel from Syndrome's base back to the city. Thanks for reading!

[@chubby_deity3143]

MatPat is all over the place with this one, but in a way, Dash in the classroom may be the most "accurate?", because the suits, to some extend, assist/improve their powers in some way, prime example is mom's suit is explosive resistant, MatPat should have used others moments in the movie, when the rest of the family wasnt suited up. I also find it funny that immediately making a theory with the message of how the viewers get better at watching content and that directors (creators) need to do better and he comes out with this sub par theory

[@cumpord69]

Hurdinator

[@Morshu_DarkSouls]

Andrew Liang MatPats theories have been subpar since the Sans is Ness incident of 2017.

[@buckethatbilly9521]

What about the suit

[@laraa739]

Also wouldn't he be putting down about half his foot's area at a time since he's running?

[@ahnaftahmid8325]

i'm pretty sure the only reason elastigirl was able to withstand that explosion was because of the suit because we can hear edna describe how much force the suit can take