Venom - How To Kill A Movie In 12 Minutes | Anatomy Of A Failure

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While Venom did have fans, overall the movie didn't really leave a great impression. And that's because it might have one core weakpoint that ended up turning a lot of moviegoers off. Let's take a closer look at Venom and try to identify this weakpoint, in today's episode of Anatomy of a Failure.
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Venom is hitting DVD, digital download and blu-ray and Spider-man Into the spiderverse is hitting theaters. With all the negative attention from Venom's theater run, it will be interesting to see what happens with the sequel, Venom 2 Let There be Carnage. Will we see Venom vs Carnage, as we were promised in the Venom after credits scene/end credits scene. Woody Harrelson is a big actor, so it would be weird if Venom sequel with him as Carnage didn't happen. And Tom Hardy apparently really like Venom. Will Sony get Venom into the Marvel MCU? Hard to know what will happen. Overall, the movie has okay fight scenes and action scenes and chase scenes, with Venom vs Riot ending fight and Eddie Brock turning to Venom and so on. We'll see what happens.
There has also been talks about Venom deleted scenes and other venom behind the scenes extras and r-rated version, but we can't be sure if the movie would've been better because of them. Also, how did Venom survive? Maybe they could've helped with that. Why Venom Failed. Why it failed. everything wrong with venom. venom honest trailer. venom cinemasins. venom flop. Venom ending explained. Venom death.
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Director Ruben Fleischer’s superhero film revolves around the chaotic exploits of the Marvel Comics villain of the same name. Tom Hardy stars as Eddie Brock, a journalist who becomes the host of an alien symbiote Venom - acquiring superhuman abilities and a malevolent alter-ego in the process - while investigating the true nature of the secretive experiments conducted by the unethical leader of the Life Foundation (Riz Ahmed).

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@litmus7325
@litmus7325 3 жыл бұрын
HUGE respect to the cgi people though. There two things that animators hate: liquid and long hair. This movies main attraction is characters made of a liquidy substance. For how difficult the project was, I think they did great
@anonymouspokemon4623
@anonymouspokemon4623 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Spider-Man 3's symbiote CGI is as good as if not better than this movie's.
@lloytre5379
@lloytre5379 3 жыл бұрын
@@anonymouspokemon4623 still give your respect tho, it is still painstakingly annoying to render those properly
@beardman6734
@beardman6734 3 жыл бұрын
@@anonymouspokemon4623 The CGI I think for Venom (2018) is really really good, again, its just my opinion, if you don't like the movie, I won't judge you.
@daniell5740
@daniell5740 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t judge an entire movie based on its cgi lol. Good cgi doesn’t make a good movie. The over all of the movie is trash but cgi
@aravsingh2868
@aravsingh2868 3 жыл бұрын
@@daniell5740 he didn't judge the movie
@zoltanperei4789
@zoltanperei4789 4 жыл бұрын
The movie did two things right: 1. the protagonist didn't get his ex back at the end, 2. the ex's new boyfriend is likeable and has mayor part in the movie's plot.
@davidfutterer551
@davidfutterer551 3 жыл бұрын
That and I really liked the chemistry between Venom and Eddie... But it really had some big flaws and wasn't well-thought-out. Still liked it.
@glebbokhan9777
@glebbokhan9777 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, there's 3 things. The relationship between Eddie and Venom is also very good. It's a shame it has so little time to play out. I mean having another entity inside your head and body just HAS TO be more difficult than what it is shown to be in the 2 scenes we got
@emmersw347
@emmersw347 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say the ex's new boyfriend is likeable, but he does play a major part in the plot, so that's a good point
@LittleLightIsaOnce
@LittleLightIsaOnce 3 жыл бұрын
Venom looked cool too
@AtlasCompleXtheProd
@AtlasCompleXtheProd 3 жыл бұрын
@@emmersw347 I think he means they just didn't make him a giant scumbag like so typical in other movies lol, the stereotype gets old
@MissMedeiros
@MissMedeiros 4 жыл бұрын
If you remove all scenes with the symbiote and leave only Eddy Brock, Venom works like a movie of a man experiencing mental disorders.
@BLOODKINGbro
@BLOODKINGbro 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was pretty disappointing, to full of random nonsense
@marko-gj1uj
@marko-gj1uj 3 жыл бұрын
It's a MARVEL movie
@LibertyBridgeProductions
@LibertyBridgeProductions 3 жыл бұрын
Yeh but I kind of think it’d make no sense without an ending or reason for him going crazy or knowing what he’s suffering from 😂. Basically what u mean is if u remove the symbionts scenes it’s a movie about a guy running around doing weird shit
@skadi7654
@skadi7654 3 жыл бұрын
any movie will do
@AtlasCompleXtheProd
@AtlasCompleXtheProd 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen it, so if this version is ever made, i will greatly enjoy watching it :)
@TiddyTwyster
@TiddyTwyster 3 жыл бұрын
I actually genuinely enjoyed Venom, I understand why it didn't get very good reviews but as a non-critic I enjoyed it a lot, even though venom was probably just a disembodied voice on set when they were filming, Hardy and whoever voiced Venom had a really good chemistry going ironically enough
@jakubrejak1114
@jakubrejak1114 3 жыл бұрын
In case you don't know it already it was Tom Hardy himself who voiced Venom.
@stormlock8496
@stormlock8496 3 жыл бұрын
whether we wanted it or not...
@jeao7115
@jeao7115 3 жыл бұрын
@@stormlock8496 we’ve stepped into a war with the cabal on mars
@realperson9104
@realperson9104 3 жыл бұрын
the problem i had with the relation ship is that eddie accepts it way too fast. just goes from horror to a bond without enough middle ground with them trying to figure stuff out
@ardedits540
@ardedits540 3 жыл бұрын
Tom hardy voiced venom and on set he wore an ear piece that would play his lines he read to him and he’d play off that
@Heroaftermath
@Heroaftermath 5 жыл бұрын
0:03 "Hey, I'm sorry about Venom." The movie is self aware.
@MyLife-fm1ly
@MyLife-fm1ly 5 жыл бұрын
Heroaftermath this needs more likes
@ffnendhgrgd
@ffnendhgrgd 5 жыл бұрын
This movie's not great, but this particular review makes it seem worse than it is. Clearly this movie wants the audience to doubt Eddie. To think that such an unassuming guy could never be the main villain of a comic book movie. That's why the long intro and all the "telling". It makes the payoff scenes more significant, not less.
@TheNitroG1
@TheNitroG1 5 жыл бұрын
congrats you got the joke filmento made...Guess he should have beat you over the head with it and everyone who liked this comment.
@siongtzer
@siongtzer 5 жыл бұрын
This comment is underrated, it deserves likes... lot of likes.
@heshamhany8470
@heshamhany8470 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Down_Triangle
@Down_Triangle 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the movie. I know it's flawed but it was really entertaining.
@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99
@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99 5 жыл бұрын
It's better then spiderman 3
@LibertyBridgeProductions
@LibertyBridgeProductions 5 жыл бұрын
DownTriangle what did u find entertaining?
@thing1thing2themediamaniac43
@thing1thing2themediamaniac43 5 жыл бұрын
I really loved VENOM to
@LibertyBridgeProductions
@LibertyBridgeProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Lou Gayming they barley have a relationship they interact for about 15 minutes altogether 😂. Idk it sort of works in that forest scene but only to a degree they don’t go very deep with it and I don’t think there are any particularly strong characters here.
@ViktorKruger99
@ViktorKruger99 5 жыл бұрын
@DownTriangle Suicide Squad fans agree with you.
@xthugniifcent_9695
@xthugniifcent_9695 5 жыл бұрын
Black Panther was NOT better than Infinity War
@TheseusPro
@TheseusPro 5 жыл бұрын
who said it was?
@Zerath0
@Zerath0 5 жыл бұрын
And to think Black Panther was nominated for best picture oscar...what a joke.
@anastasiastellar2658
@anastasiastellar2658 5 жыл бұрын
@@Zerath0 LOL the panther didn't win. You can come out from your room now. It's okay, everything is fine
@anastasiastellar2658
@anastasiastellar2658 5 жыл бұрын
Both of the movie are just super hero movie... love Black Panther because he managed to pissed a bunch of whiny salty snowflakes 😁😉
@Zerath0
@Zerath0 5 жыл бұрын
@@anastasiastellar2658 Yes I know it didn't win. But the fact it was even nominated was a bad joke. Or do you really think it deserved an oscar for best movie? :D
@fredrikthepussycat
@fredrikthepussycat 4 жыл бұрын
What I find interesting about the idea of "show and not tell", is how John Wick succesfully did a "tell and not show" in the beginning. We didnt see how dangerous John Wick was, but we heard mob-bosses talk about him. Then again, one could argue that we SAW the fear the mob-bosses had towards John Wick.
@hottehorstmann9471
@hottehorstmann9471 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! You can build up suspense immensly by telling something and not showing it. The audience will get more and more excited until it finally happens, like John Wick taking out the assault team in his house with coldest precision. I really like this technique a lot.
@soggypotato6381
@soggypotato6381 4 жыл бұрын
The difference is that it shows John Wick kill all of those people in the introduction, where in venoms case, it shows much much later.
@Technoanima
@Technoanima 4 жыл бұрын
Because acting.
@gwenwalravens8030
@gwenwalravens8030 3 жыл бұрын
I'd go even further: examples of tell, don't show Emperor Palpatine in the OT Han Solo Doctor Who
@xjmasterx0907
@xjmasterx0907 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s important that it wasn’t john wick talking about how badass he was and instead it was the mob bosses
@samueloconnor2938
@samueloconnor2938 5 жыл бұрын
“Time jumps in the end of act 1 are never a good idea” Avengers Endgame: “hold my beer”
@neophenom
@neophenom 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha no kidding. To be fair, however, the first 10 minutes of Engame felt more like an Epilogue to Infinity War than Act 1 of the movie. It reminded me of a Marvel "One shot" for some reason.
@jamesduffy7549
@jamesduffy7549 5 жыл бұрын
It worked in the movie but if you think of the wider implications the other movies now have to address with half the world being gone for that long
@nenenomusic
@nenenomusic 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah and that movie was a tonal mess
@trashbrock2320
@trashbrock2320 5 жыл бұрын
@@nenenomusic yeah, it's tone was all over the place. It tried to be emotional but also funny, and failed at both.
@michaelg4490
@michaelg4490 5 жыл бұрын
@@trashbrock2320 only failed with you, a film expert apparently
@Trevan2412
@Trevan2412 5 жыл бұрын
Venom also had the problem of rushing to the ending. Remember that scene about Venom slowly killing Eddie? Yea, that was never talked about again and they acted like it was never a thing.
@GMthunderbreak
@GMthunderbreak 5 жыл бұрын
Eh...it's totally addressed. Instead of eating Eddie from inside out, they'll eat quote, "very very bad people" instead.
@jcdenton2187
@jcdenton2187 5 жыл бұрын
@@GMthunderbreak In that case it was weakly addressed. Eddie acts like he completely forgot about it after he was back with Venom. A simple addition of "alright, i only started eating your organs out of starvation. I like you. Feed me a lot and i won't have to do it" would have sufficed
@harrylane4
@harrylane4 5 жыл бұрын
@@GMthunderbreak the movie would have been stronger if they never mentioned it in the first place tbh. What a weakass justification for your big bad monster hero to be a big bad monster
@SyntheticHalo
@SyntheticHalo 5 жыл бұрын
@@GMthunderbreak Well i wouldn't say that it's addressed though. Eddie just found out that Venom is eating him up from inside & right after that he was kidnapped. Then the next scene you see how Venom starts caring for Eddie for absolutley no reason & tries his best to save his life like they were best buddies all along. THEN they make the deal to only eat very very bad guys. That plot flaw actually ruined the entire movie for me. You can't make Venom change his mind about Eddie within a couple of scenes without giving him a reason to suddenly care about his ''food's'' well being.
@jayreiacira
@jayreiacira 5 жыл бұрын
@@SyntheticHalo Yep, I had the same complaint. The transition between "you're too good a match to waste" and "you changed my mind, Eddie" are completely missing any justification in between. Zero stuff happened that could have changed an alien's mind. Hmm... Almost seems like there ought to be a handful of deleted scenes to explain it.
@Mr.Heller
@Mr.Heller 4 жыл бұрын
There's a movie called "Upgrade" with 3 million budget, it's awesome, and quite frankly, it's what Venom should have been, the themes are pretty similar. Recommend it to everyone.
@Dimitrije_Sukovic
@Dimitrije_Sukovic 4 жыл бұрын
Watched it like a month ago, went in expecting a cheap action flick, left speechless. The action and story took me completely off-guard, it was fantastic.
@titansupes
@titansupes 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It even stars a lower-budget Tom Hardy.
@Dimitrije_Sukovic
@Dimitrije_Sukovic 4 жыл бұрын
@@titansupes Yeah dude lol, all I kept thinking about is how the guy is a discount Tom Hardy, but he definitely pulled the role off well. He was great.
@edmontonboy99
@edmontonboy99 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite moments in the movie is definitely the funniest part of the movie is when the main character Grey activates STEM while fighting off a bunch of guys, he looks in horror at what he’s doing and I was entertained by it because it added a lot of great humour to the movie.
@b0zz1380y
@b0zz1380y 4 жыл бұрын
Edmonton Boy ‘HES GOT A KNIFE’ ‘We’ve got a knife’
@PsyrenXY
@PsyrenXY 3 жыл бұрын
Watching that second interview with Eddie where he was forced to pretend all his favorite scenes made it into the final movie made me so sad. I wish actors could speak frankly about their art without the studios throwing them into contract gulag for doing so.
@reijek990
@reijek990 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately part of the actors job is also to promote the movie as a product.
@justincruz5720
@justincruz5720 4 жыл бұрын
6:47 My only issue with this video. Venom wasn’t exposed to the fire for that long. He got hurt, but that wasn’t enough exposure to kill him. I’m sure both blue and orange flames will kill a symbiote, given enough time. That’s how Riot died, burning in the spaceship for a while before getting blown up. Not exactly a contradiction. However, I do like what you said about “show, don’t tell.” I think that point was very valid.
@TheGravityAxe
@TheGravityAxe 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, you can see Venom retreat from the blue fire. Shows just how vulnerable they are to fire, if it hurts enough to withdraw when exposed even for a second.
@helgenlane
@helgenlane 4 жыл бұрын
Guys... Every living creature is "vulnerable" to fire and would get hurt by it. The thing is, Venom is resistant to most other sources of damage, so fire is the most effective tool. Humans can die from fire, but it takes some time.
@alzef1375
@alzef1375 4 жыл бұрын
If you think about it, Venom hiding from the fire is a rather way of showing his weakness. Since symbiotes can't live without their host, for Venom to allow the best host it's had to be burned instead of protecting him goes to show the symbiote couldn't have done much against the fire.
@nettlesomenpc889
@nettlesomenpc889 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I mean, he was going fast so he was in the fire for less then a second
@leonardjohnquillano3180
@leonardjohnquillano3180 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you
@Azazel8
@Azazel8 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't fire everything's weakness..?
@hunterknight6956
@hunterknight6956 5 жыл бұрын
Skeet Er - Good point
@HowlingGhouls
@HowlingGhouls 5 жыл бұрын
Tell that to my friend H2O Fire ain’t shit to him
@PsypherWolf
@PsypherWolf 5 жыл бұрын
"Fire is everyone's weakness, it's fucking fire." -Batman
@kalstonii
@kalstonii 5 жыл бұрын
Skeet Er not for the human torch
@thesmallraptor4316
@thesmallraptor4316 5 жыл бұрын
Fire also can help. It can cauterize wounds and also warm us
@FelinaFaerlaingal
@FelinaFaerlaingal 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly as far as negative reviews goes, this is mild, well thought out, has some very good point and is very interesting. I don't get the angry fans, but even as someone who loved that movie, I can see that the flaw you point out are accurate and it could have been better if it hadn't had those flaws
@fallenlegend2763
@fallenlegend2763 4 жыл бұрын
Watch channel awesome's explanation for why this movies an insult to Venom fans then you'll understand
@hamstermichael6738
@hamstermichael6738 4 жыл бұрын
It's always like that with Filmento, as far as I know (and that's a lot), it's always facts.
@icecream7785
@icecream7785 3 жыл бұрын
personally it was weird having no spiderman in it since the main point of venom is he's horny for spiderman and wants them to be together, so jus gettin rid of him wouldve been strange, but i still loved the movie
@RodrigoroRex
@RodrigoroRex 3 жыл бұрын
@@icecream7785 That's why venom's relationship with Eddie is the best thing in the movie, cause his goal is to "bad guy kills everyone", and Eddie has to live with him, then we see venom evolve to a more thoughtful being and he "is not the bad guy anymore"
@pietrocatalano4285
@pietrocatalano4285 3 жыл бұрын
@@icecream7785 Well, Venom was created to be an antagonist for Spiderman, but he grew past it. His role nowadays really isn't as an antagonist for Spiderman, he has his own roles and things that he deals with by himself or with help from his allies (usually just whoever he can find).
@abdelali9279
@abdelali9279 3 жыл бұрын
This guy: Venom's a failure The comment section: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.
@Mikethompson303
@Mikethompson303 3 жыл бұрын
They cause.....research it then you really know the answer...including what they shed to those with said medical heme therapy...it's why we who chose according the rights of universal law have a different outcome and response and causation according to whatever ideology you subscribe to.
@basurasagilid
@basurasagilid 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mikethompson303 i had a stroke reading that thanks
@oniplus4545
@oniplus4545 2 жыл бұрын
@@basurasagilid he's speaking the language of gods, mortals like us can't fathom the meaning with our feeble minds
@Ashley-ce6gp
@Ashley-ce6gp 5 жыл бұрын
For those of you saying that he can't call Venom a failure because it made money, he meant an artistic failure. Would you say you can't criticise the Transformers films because they make truckloads of money? Get outta here
@nutskok5394
@nutskok5394 5 жыл бұрын
The Transformers movies aren't failures... they made shit ton of money
@ARCtrooperblueleader
@ARCtrooperblueleader 5 жыл бұрын
H. T. B. - Well said.
@richardcheese4680
@richardcheese4680 5 жыл бұрын
True
@swancorewhore
@swancorewhore 5 жыл бұрын
Kek truckloads
@chilarius
@chilarius 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, just from the artistic point of view: They did it very very well given that we expected a terrible movie by not getting spiderman involved.
@bjornthefellhanded5655
@bjornthefellhanded5655 3 жыл бұрын
The scene where his GF kisses him while wearing the Venom Symbiote just gave Rule 34 Artists more fuel........
@1337l4m3
@1337l4m3 3 жыл бұрын
She-Venom was the best part.
@Exo88712
@Exo88712 2 жыл бұрын
Shit
@mr.creeper6484
@mr.creeper6484 2 жыл бұрын
NO GOD PLEASE NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOO
@deltahalo241
@deltahalo241 5 жыл бұрын
"Okay so we start with a spaceship burning up in Earth's atmosphere" "That's great, brilliant! Really sets the scene and tone!" "Oh yeah, and the Symbiotes are also weak to fire"
@TheKrilicious
@TheKrilicious 4 жыл бұрын
The scene that really took me out of the movie was when the infected girl just somehow were at Drake's lab, walked up to him, and passed him the symbiote 🤣like, they couldn't come up with a more clever way for Drake and the villain symbiote to meet?
@Fearthecow792
@Fearthecow792 3 жыл бұрын
That really messed me up too. I audibly asked "How the fuck did she get in?!"
@LuckyAJC
@LuckyAJC 3 жыл бұрын
did you guys not watch the film drake was in control of her... she didn't just waltz in drake was there looking for the other symbiotes
@sentientkoffee972
@sentientkoffee972 3 жыл бұрын
Missed opportunity to show Riot's ability. They could've at least made a little scene where the girl fights off a bunch of guards.
@MSaleh-vy8rr
@MSaleh-vy8rr 3 жыл бұрын
Especially how Eddie and Venom met a whole ass SWAT unit, and they didn't secure the building. After Venom took them down, his Ex-gf walked in like as if she didn't get encountered by the authorities. She wasn't even scared by Eddie when he turned into a 8ft beast, and yet she took him to the hospital. Also what bothered me is how at the end of the movie, he wasn't afraid by the law enforcement after what he did. It's like after that, he wasn't wanted, and they just stop searching for me. Maybe they'll touch on that in the sequel. That's my guess.
@wait....whatsmynameagain1099
@wait....whatsmynameagain1099 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fearthecow792 even if she had a powerful symbiote it still didn't make sense.
@AlexanderBruyns
@AlexanderBruyns 5 жыл бұрын
It was an entertaining movie, despite it's flaws. And I'm actually glad it's getting a sequel.
@senorken491
@senorken491 5 жыл бұрын
Same here
@cudizem
@cudizem 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah,I've watched it 2 times,and really liked it. I would happily watch it the third time
@silentandcliche
@silentandcliche 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I do hope they clean up a few of the issues to make it legitimately good but, it's not the end of the world if we just end up with another hilarious entertaining romp.
@fitzhugh7463
@fitzhugh7463 5 жыл бұрын
laz kar nah, mediocrity has its place
@angelgu323
@angelgu323 5 жыл бұрын
@laz kar u watch Jim Sterling videos. Ur opinion has no merit
@jaharv111
@jaharv111 5 жыл бұрын
A fair assessment. I really enjoyed the movie, but felt it had some pacing issues. Your recommended fixes would be welcome and set the movie off at the pace it needed for a VENOM movie.
@MrShitthead
@MrShitthead 4 жыл бұрын
it was a subpar cheese fest obviously aimed at 12 year olds. A fine flic for the average MCU fan brain.
@TylerSane5
@TylerSane5 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah cause MCU Spider-man isn't exactly what you said! They don't even get Spider-man right they actually disrespect the idea of Spider-man by making him Iron Man's sidekick look up why Stan Lee made Peter/Spider-man it has something to do with young hero's always being the Robin to whatever Batman, Spider-man was made to buck that trend but MCU Spider-man only cares about impressing girls and Tony plus MCU Peter almost killed his class mates twice already but Stark gives him glasses that are a super weapon?? I though he was done making that stuff??
@TF2Fan101
@TF2Fan101 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I enjoyed Venom. Is it perfect? No. It certainly has flaws, and it definitely feels a bit choppy at points. That said, it was overall a fun ride and I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
@BenLaurence
@BenLaurence 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the beginning of Venom was really hard to get through, but I ended up enjoying the rest of the movie
@Jebu911
@Jebu911 5 жыл бұрын
The pacing was real bad and the reason why venom turned good was weird too but overall it was a decent movie.
@BenLaurence
@BenLaurence 5 жыл бұрын
Jebu911 definitely agree
@claytondrake7650
@claytondrake7650 5 жыл бұрын
Taylor N he kinda was a goof ball in the comics especially his solo series when he became a antihero when he stops and gets over his grudge against Spider-Man, Venoms really only popular because of his dope design.
@tommyboy1986
@tommyboy1986 5 жыл бұрын
the movie was sooo bad from start to finish.
@johanwirf6501
@johanwirf6501 5 жыл бұрын
@Taylor N No he is a decent guy but if im not wrong Venom and the other symbiots are feeding on your negative sides and enhances them at the same time give you the power to act on them feelings.
@alidaraie
@alidaraie 3 жыл бұрын
True story: I happened to catch the movie on TV from the middle and I actually liked it and I couldn't understand the negative reviews. Now I understand that it was probably because I didn't see the begining
@jaelee2930
@jaelee2930 5 жыл бұрын
How To Kill A Movie Start with the actual story 40 minutes into a movie.
@harrylockheed79
@harrylockheed79 3 жыл бұрын
I respect Filmento’s opinion, but honestly, I still loved the crap out of this movie!
@white.cleric
@white.cleric 3 жыл бұрын
Filmento might be right about begging and end of the movie. Beginning is totally off and boring and climax is dull, just two CGI monstrosities fighting back and forth, and then finally good ending is sacrificed to setup the next movie. The middle is good and exciting, where chemistry of two protagonists shines bright. If I would rewatch the movie, I would skip first 15 minutes because I just can't push through them again, and skip the boss fight, because it is just boring to watch.
@danielstevens8610
@danielstevens8610 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@carlosandleon
@carlosandleon 3 жыл бұрын
same
@chechimendez2446
@chechimendez2446 3 жыл бұрын
The movies first half is super boring and the movie is pretty bad but for sum reason I just love it too 😭
@GeorgeKarala
@GeorgeKarala 3 жыл бұрын
i love new and old
@SharpDesign
@SharpDesign 5 жыл бұрын
8:52 "If you don't show the audience your movie, they have nothing to watch.". This sums up so much. I wish more filmmakers knew what this actually means.
@noxkoimax356
@noxkoimax356 5 жыл бұрын
and what does it mean?
@SharpDesign
@SharpDesign 5 жыл бұрын
@@noxkoimax356 show, don't tell...tell gets so boring, basically.
@GoonRenegade69
@GoonRenegade69 5 жыл бұрын
I suspect it may be less about knowing and more about bankable film trends.
@Skaarxiong1
@Skaarxiong1 5 жыл бұрын
so if you shit on a plate and pass it around, people know your shit stinks. that's what you're telling me. gotcha!
@domokilla9944
@domokilla9944 5 жыл бұрын
The Avengers should take notes
@mangowithagun7900
@mangowithagun7900 3 жыл бұрын
Actually in the motorcycle scene when the drone blows up and Eddie rides into it, you can see Venom give Eddie control and goes back into hiding. My guess is the fire doesn't kill them immediately, giving them some time to hide because Vemon was just controlling Eddie's hands so he hid faster, but the evil simbiote (if that's how you spell it) was in full control so it took longer to hide.
@dr.stronk9857
@dr.stronk9857 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they’d have venom have a seizure during the slow mo like in the hospital so it’s more obvious that fire hurts him
@ervinjasar
@ervinjasar 3 жыл бұрын
7:10 Eddie says that "it's harmful to him" that mean it hurts him and anything that's harmful it's also deadly like fire to humans
@CommanderRedEXE
@CommanderRedEXE 3 жыл бұрын
Also, the fire caused by the drone, in reality, only effected Eddie/Venom for like, 3 seconds. While Riot was literally trapped in a flaming rocket, for minutes, until it exploded, with him in the center. The comparison between the scenes was... Weak, to put it nicely. I enjoyed the movie, and am excited to see the sequel.
@galaxybrain_658
@galaxybrain_658 3 жыл бұрын
Also what was up with that orange fire kills but blue fire hurts bullshit. That’s just stupid. One prefers the other. If you jump through a wall of normal fire it might hurt a tiny bit but you’ll be fine. If your stuck in a helicopter that is actively burning there’s no hope. It’s pretty logical
@stannisthemannis8694
@stannisthemannis8694 3 жыл бұрын
@@CommanderRedEXE exactly what i thought like why didn't he ask why the mri killed him as well? the movie has flaws and filmento's analysis of the double prologue was good but he made some far reaching points which hurts the criticism a lot
@VincentGonzalezVeg
@VincentGonzalezVeg 5 жыл бұрын
"like a turd in the wind" - Venom Simebiote™ Sony Pictures
@derrickboomer8531
@derrickboomer8531 4 жыл бұрын
Its comically accurate because venom makes rather out of the box remarks and phrases in the comics
@JadeyJ4d3y
@JadeyJ4d3y 4 жыл бұрын
The first prolouge bothered me because of it's location, it's mostly wrong. I'm a Malaysian myself, and none of the scenes even resemble anything from my country, even the ambulance, the fireman and some stuff. And also, I don't remember any Chinese villages in the middle of the forest in Sawarak that is filled with people and also, thugs? Edit : also, I'm pretty sure that there isn't any international airport accessable in the middle of sawarak, that one is most likely very, very far in Kuching, which yes, may take a very long time to get there with the stupid infrastructure the government here has put up with the roads, no highway, all highways are only in Peninsular Malaysia, aka where I live
@yamadiyoo9658
@yamadiyoo9658 4 жыл бұрын
That is interesting to know. I kind of hate the intro looking back on it as when watching I was under the assumption that the traveling alien was Venom which would make the double intro a bit of an artistic choice as Venom and Eddie consider themselves as different being working together hints "We are Venom."
@Ofjkk
@Ofjkk 4 жыл бұрын
so basically 6 month timejump happened cause the evil symbiote had to travel on foot to the nearest airport? should've added that bit to the movie so it would make sense to have a jump xD
@joshhyde3027
@joshhyde3027 4 жыл бұрын
Just because a place doesn’t look exactly like the real life thing it doesn’t make it bad. That’s like me saying I have a problem with black panther because it doesn’t look like Africa
@Narc1024
@Narc1024 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshhyde3027 Black panther is based in Wakanda, which is stated to be fictional from the start. But Venom name-drops a location which is real, so objectively the scene has to match, though not accurately but more than the movie does.
@Prodigious1One
@Prodigious1One 4 жыл бұрын
Good real life points.
@diegobarbosa1809
@diegobarbosa1809 5 жыл бұрын
Black Panther is definitely not as good as Avengers Infinity War
@LibertyBridgeProductions
@LibertyBridgeProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Diego Barbosa it’s rlly good though ain’t it?
@diegobarbosa1809
@diegobarbosa1809 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course
@shirogami4224
@shirogami4224 5 жыл бұрын
Yup infinity war is much better
@LibertyBridgeProductions
@LibertyBridgeProductions 5 жыл бұрын
shiro gami yeh it is gd
@berkbudaker9503
@berkbudaker9503 5 жыл бұрын
For me even not a good movie bad cgi and boring story.
@jamesomen1602
@jamesomen1602 3 жыл бұрын
Hey this was the best Venom we have ever had on screen.
@sword7405
@sword7405 4 жыл бұрын
7:32 Venom is not killed in this scene because he retracts into Eddie's body the second he is near the fire and neither of them burned because they were not in the fire long enough.
@musicbheem1588
@musicbheem1588 3 жыл бұрын
offcourse, that was a slowmotion scene. You are right.
@notashark5189
@notashark5189 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they stress the pain Venom felt/feeling???
@林泓旭-i1d
@林泓旭-i1d 3 жыл бұрын
@@notashark5189 I think the explosions are more just blasts and shockwaves, not a lot of fire is involved. The makers of the movie probably didn’t even realize that was fire.
@dr.stronk9857
@dr.stronk9857 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Not a Shark, he should have had a seizure like in the hospital to stress that fire hurts him
@melonmusk4815
@melonmusk4815 5 жыл бұрын
As if a million voices cried out “meh, good enough”
@vocetemgostodementiroso3230
@vocetemgostodementiroso3230 5 жыл бұрын
Yap
@Conceptcreator
@Conceptcreator 4 жыл бұрын
jep, the beginning was a problem for me. It made me step away from it
@hexational105
@hexational105 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda liked the whole movie
@hellodumplings8564
@hellodumplings8564 3 жыл бұрын
Ok
@RomainDelmaire
@RomainDelmaire 3 жыл бұрын
The whole movie was kinda of a problem. I wished I left at the beginning too, it was kind of a pain to watch.
@SaggyMarley
@SaggyMarley 3 жыл бұрын
@@RomainDelmaire the scene when the little girl passed the parasite to the villain was also very lazy i felt like
@6Nicolas
@6Nicolas 4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you don't just point out problems, but you also give your solution to those problems. great video, as ever.
@CordellPotts
@CordellPotts 5 жыл бұрын
It's like they said "Tom, just do and say whatever you want, we didnt think you'd take the deal, The script we have was written for Jim Carey" Tom "I can be Jim Carey"
@booklover466
@booklover466 5 жыл бұрын
The problem is the dry relationship of the main character and his girlfriend as well as weak villain. Other than that it was a fun movie.
@shadowofdimentio4618
@shadowofdimentio4618 5 жыл бұрын
Considering how the movie ends, I'm really confused why they didn't try to make Eddie and his ex good friends since they clearly weren't ever gonna get together. Making her less of a love interest and more of a friend would've really saved the movie and made Venom shipping them much funnier due to an even more awkward tension. Imagine a more Cap and Black Widow dynamic. The villain would need a complete rework tho. Like the movie would need a lot of changes to make that work, the most obvious one being to switch Venom and Riot so that Riot and Drake can actually bond and we could cut out a lot of the terrible fluff before Venom meets Eddie
@defencebangladesh4068
@defencebangladesh4068 3 жыл бұрын
the girlfriend was a trash
@razibbaraljoy9978
@razibbaraljoy9978 4 жыл бұрын
In other movies, you want to be like the hero. Doing some stuffs, fights, finally win. But in Venom, you don’t know you want to be Venom or not. Sometimes, you feel bad for the hero for being Venom. And it is the beauty of this movie. Venom comes with great power and problems, the balance between those makes this movie very interesting.
@NoelNolNull
@NoelNolNull 3 жыл бұрын
"If you have a problem with the third act, the real problem is in the first act." -Bill Wilder The opposite can also be true.
@CHMgamemedic777
@CHMgamemedic777 5 жыл бұрын
When KZbin is so stingy that you have to say the letters ''S E X'' to not get demonitized.
@auto--
@auto-- 5 жыл бұрын
phatbaby I like X E S
@legowhite
@legowhite 5 жыл бұрын
that’s the opposite.. if he said “S E X” he would get ads, which in point would give KZbin money..
@AfroGaz71
@AfroGaz71 5 жыл бұрын
@@legowhite Don't think yo understand how demonitization works.
@legowhite
@legowhite 5 жыл бұрын
Gary Reilly I could of worded that better. KZbin isn’t stingy. If they demonetized you then you don’t get money and neither do they
@AfroGaz71
@AfroGaz71 5 жыл бұрын
@@legowhite Ahh, gotcha. That's a fair comment.
@theta1672
@theta1672 5 жыл бұрын
I think they could've fixed the problem of opening and the weak "double villain" thing with just changing the crash scene. It can take place anywhere, that's fine. Just make it so that it happens somewhat like this: 1) Ship crashing. 2) Carlton and the gang gets there and starts capturing the symbiots and some people get killed. 3) Eddie who's already in the same country for other investigative reasons relating to Carlton's company gets there and starts to ask questions/bother them, showing that Carlton and Eddie dislike eachother. 4) Eddie managing to somehow steal Venom to use for evidence but Venom escapes and enters Eddie. 5) Carlton now has more direct reasons to go after Eddie, causing Eddie to loose his job and so on. 6) Riot is in Carlton from the very start, that's why the ship is there, this way we don't get the unnessecary "travel time" or the "double villain" thing since they have the same goal from the start. But hey, this is just how I'd do it.
@MeruOnYT
@MeruOnYT 5 жыл бұрын
Or they could have just made him get the symbiote from Spider-Man like it should have been 🙃
@Rose_Bride
@Rose_Bride 5 жыл бұрын
@ Theta, this was a REALLY good plot idea which would have fixed pretty much all the issues the film had, including pacing. I remember watching the third act if the film, when the Riot symbiote manages to get to the facility and bonds with Carlton. My immediate thought was....really?! They spend the ENTIRE FILM showing this menacing alien first escaping from the ambulance, then hitching parasitic taxi rides from person to person....JUST to get back to the facility that it would have gone to from the beginning had it stayed put?? It all just seemed so... pointless. Not to mention the question of why it took this thing 6months. When the audience is able to come up with a better plot for the film than the writer(s) who was (were) paid MILLIONS to do it, did, well...
@charlespuruncajas9663
@charlespuruncajas9663 4 жыл бұрын
I'd pay to see that story. Also not a Marvel movie but 2018's Upgrade felt more like a Venom movie
@theta1672
@theta1672 4 жыл бұрын
@@MeruOnYT or that, yes xD
@theta1672
@theta1672 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rose_Bride thank you for the praise! Although hinesight is a thing, and we don't really know how much creative freedom they had. Hollywood is a swamp, but yea, if they get paid to do it, it should be better :)
@JustaLuni
@JustaLuni 5 жыл бұрын
it made money so you know sony is going to franchise this.
@pgplaysvidya
@pgplaysvidya 5 жыл бұрын
we need a 2020 venom reboot / trilogy /s
@carlwheezer2766
@carlwheezer2766 5 жыл бұрын
I also think they’re ganna make a sequel to into the spider verse and it’s going to be terrible just like iron man 2 they will cram to much in thing is the MCU kearns Sony always repeats themselves and the dceu changes to much
@jynxed66six54
@jynxed66six54 5 жыл бұрын
well, they arent allowed to use spiderman yet (thanks marvel) so this is the best character the spiderverse will get
@apurba4578
@apurba4578 5 жыл бұрын
@@carlwheezer2766 iron man 2 gets too much hate
@carlwheezer2766
@carlwheezer2766 5 жыл бұрын
Apurba Paul I’m not saying it’s bad I’m saying they tried to cram to much in and it wasn’t as good as it could be there are some great bits and I loved Justin hammer
@darksiderider1233
@darksiderider1233 3 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling a majority of these "missing scenes" Tom is mentioning are the ones that took out to keep the rating PG-13. If this is the case, take a page out of the Snyder Cut book and release an R Rated version of Venom! Anyone else feel that way?
@jowoman7799
@jowoman7799 5 жыл бұрын
But I actually really enjoyed this movie. I didn't really think it was a failure in my eyes. And definitely not box office wise.
@Sunny-er6ec
@Sunny-er6ec 5 жыл бұрын
I think they could have stayed with the 40min cut of Tom Hardy and venom interactions. The only good thing about the movie is Eddy and Venom just get more of them in the movie not those boring characters that take the most of the first half of movie. Though I liked the movie too but after watching the second time I think they could have done better
@dannyventura832
@dannyventura832 5 жыл бұрын
I think the big deal is that the makers ofthe movie didnt want to make it better and just make it passable enough to make money
@theallfather6597
@theallfather6597 5 жыл бұрын
Because people are sheep and like to follow bandwagon hate. They can't formulate their own thoughts and opinions so they shit on things that many other people do to make themselves look "cool". I fucking loved Fallen Kingdom, but God forbid I say that to anyone. I just don't understand why people can't like things for what they are like we did years ago.
@theallfather6597
@theallfather6597 5 жыл бұрын
@laz kar No, YOU are the sheep that follows this hate bandwagon that shits on any and everything. Fuck off
@pieinyourfacestreax5138
@pieinyourfacestreax5138 5 жыл бұрын
@@theallfather6597 well said
@gismo3564
@gismo3564 5 жыл бұрын
I actually got late in to the movie and missed the first 10-15 minutes... And I thought it was an awesome movie 😁
@blindedjourneyman
@blindedjourneyman 4 жыл бұрын
More proof the scene just doesnt fit.
@tincturdiode
@tincturdiode 5 жыл бұрын
"I am sorry about Venom." … *WEIRD EDDIE NOISES*
@averypleasedbakedpotato8609
@averypleasedbakedpotato8609 4 жыл бұрын
Happy venom noises Venom: bad people?
@juliebelle1756
@juliebelle1756 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie except for the pacing, the villain choice + how weak of a villain he was, and Brock and Anne's kinda flat relationship. If I wrote this movie and fixed the main issue, the villain, I would've just made the villain Scream. Scream, for those who don't know, is the yellow symbiote seen in the movie. In the comics her host was the wife of the Riot host along with being the leader of the Life Foundation Symbiotes. Personally, I would've made Carlton sorta secondary and make Scream the main villain with her own host. Something like this: Scream, similar to Venom, is a nobody rather than a loser. On their planet she isn't really acknowledged even though she is actually one of the strongest symbiotes. Scream ends up on earth with Venom and Riot. Have Scream be successfully bonded with one of Carlton's goons and slowly build her up to be going crazier and crazier from all the power Scream has given her. Build a connection between the two where they both feel like nobody's who deserve recognition for being the best at what they do (Scream being a powerful symbiote and her host maybe being a great hit-woman for Carlton's loose ends?) Carlton sees how crazy she's become and tries to kill the symbiote and host, which ends in her brutally murdering him and everyone else in the facility. This happens the same night the rocket is supposed to launch. Venom and Scream get into a fight, yadda yadda basically just the Riot fight. Screams motivations and villainy would be something like how she wants to kill symbiotes and humans for how they wronged her and the host. This makes the stakes much higher and more personal for both Venom and Eddie since both their people are endangered. Idk, just how I would've done it.
@PsychicSiren7
@PsychicSiren7 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this would have been a great idea for either a sequel or maybe a prequel movie, because while I am attached to the plot of the first movie, and the sequel with Carnage was pretty good as well, I feel like scream and any other female symbiote or, heck, any symbiote other than Venom and Carnage don't really get any recognition. And while there might be symbiote hosts such as Mania from the comics or Shriek or Silence, all of those hosts and symbiotes are very obscure and only happen with comic-specific events.
@theregretman4868
@theregretman4868 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, your version of Venom sounds hella better. But that's the issue though, a lot can happen in hindsight.
@milfsfilms
@milfsfilms 5 жыл бұрын
tom hardy basically made the film
@fordprefect5967
@fordprefect5967 5 жыл бұрын
@@ohmygodtheykilledkenny8038 mmm... I don't know about that, don't forget it's also the script provided.
@fordprefect5967
@fordprefect5967 5 жыл бұрын
@@dankuya Mhm, really good voice actor overall
@Bucksh0ts
@Bucksh0ts 5 жыл бұрын
@@ohmygodtheykilledkenny8038 lmao yeah I think you nailed it lmao
@lucapachee9863
@lucapachee9863 5 жыл бұрын
@@Bucksh0ts He's such a talented actor and I seriously don't know what he's doing on screen. It's like the director told him him to act like a paranoid drug dealer while the cops are near.
@Bucksh0ts
@Bucksh0ts 5 жыл бұрын
@@lucapachee9863 he is very talented, but he seemed very dumbed downed for this role for some reason.
@markparkinson6378
@markparkinson6378 5 жыл бұрын
I never really noticed a problem, but it's good that you take your time to deeply analyse the film.
@markparkinson6378
@markparkinson6378 5 жыл бұрын
@Taylor N Thanks for the compliment, Taylor. America should be proud of you. :)
@SmokeymcJoint420
@SmokeymcJoint420 5 жыл бұрын
How could you not notice the glaringly obvious flaws in this movie? I am a massive Venom fan, have been for decades, but this movie was incredibly poorly made.
@markparkinson6378
@markparkinson6378 5 жыл бұрын
I guess the flaws of Venom didn’t bother me as much as they bothered you. But hey, at least with your knowledge, you could write a better Venom film than Jeff Pinkner, Scott Rosenberg and Kelly Marcel. As Martin Scorsese said (paraphrasing) “We learn more from bad films than good ones.”
@SmokeymcJoint420
@SmokeymcJoint420 5 жыл бұрын
​@@markparkinson6378 Liking your own comment, what a weird thing to do. You may have a low enough IQ to where you brain sits there like the lump of shit it is and enjoy the movie, but it doesn't make it good.
@markparkinson6378
@markparkinson6378 5 жыл бұрын
Movies are subjective, Smokey. I’m sure someone with a high IQ such as yours can understand.
@lukenuke8133
@lukenuke8133 4 жыл бұрын
Venom was one of the most fun times I had watching a movie. I like that it didn't take itself too seriously.
@lowlowseesee
@lowlowseesee 3 жыл бұрын
most fun? HA ok
@jaydonmagan4694
@jaydonmagan4694 3 жыл бұрын
@@lowlowseesee Hey, it’s his opinion. Hard to change that. Venom’s a flawed movie, but even then a lot of people like it. I like it. It’s okay if you don’t like it, but this is just how it is.
@JD-jz5gu
@JD-jz5gu 3 жыл бұрын
@@lowlowseesee you didn’t have fun with Venom? Ha
@Rblaster-dm9nu
@Rblaster-dm9nu 3 жыл бұрын
I had such a fun time too
@asellandrofacchio7263
@asellandrofacchio7263 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaydonmagan4694 flies really like shit too
@svisuals4932
@svisuals4932 5 жыл бұрын
Drones: *Exists* Eddie: *_HoLy sHiT_*
@immortalis1001
@immortalis1001 5 жыл бұрын
The villain was weak and ineffective...one one the worst ever.
@PK-MegaLolCaT
@PK-MegaLolCaT 5 жыл бұрын
i dont quite agree with that. while it is true that drake is a more functional antagonist than other villains out there. i think it works very well helping establish part of the relationship between eddie and the symbiotic . after all it is eddie's courage of trying to take down drake when he has zero chances of beating him , what motivates venom into going against riot drake also does a good job of pointing eddies flaws as a person and the fact that they stop him without actually addressing the issues drake was talking about humanity living as a parasite to the planet means that their is now a larger goal to reach and lot of potential grow for the characters assuming Sony stick with the whole theme of humans being parasites in sequels
@bouttreefiddy6163
@bouttreefiddy6163 5 жыл бұрын
How was a billionaire with a symbiote stronger than Venom weak and ineffective? Or do you just not like the actor for some reason?
@immortalis1001
@immortalis1001 5 жыл бұрын
@@bouttreefiddy6163 Perhaps unmemorable, cookie-cutter, uninspired is the phrasing I should have used. Zero complexity, look at me I am a villain and I do bad stuff. This of course has been an issue for a multitude of movies so it does not stand alone.
@bouttreefiddy6163
@bouttreefiddy6163 5 жыл бұрын
@@immortalis1001 Cant argue with those. He was as dull as bag of sand. The actor phoned it in and I have idea how he got the role. Riot was essentially Venom with... more shape shifting abilities.
@GMthunderbreak
@GMthunderbreak 5 жыл бұрын
How is he worse than say, Obadiah Stane, or Red Skull, or Hela, or Ultron, or even that douche Thanos?
@logangaskill4
@logangaskill4 4 жыл бұрын
As far as the "show don't tell" scene with fire, one could make the argument that the exposure to fire was limmited. He is only exposed to fire for a brief period of time, due to the fire mainly being from an explosion. Now, had his clothes caught on fire, or had he been in said fire for a longer period of time, I could understand your point.
@charlieblank3393
@charlieblank3393 3 жыл бұрын
7:32 Actually in this scene you can see the symbiote retracting into Eddie's body due to the flames around them.
@trampotrix0573
@trampotrix0573 4 жыл бұрын
It’s wasn’t perfect, but it was fun. It’s a movie where you can laugh, sit back and just be entertained. I liked it.
@_dev.i.nky_
@_dev.i.nky_ 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly loved this movie, but I do agree that the beginning wasn't the best
@totaltakeovergames7275
@totaltakeovergames7275 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed it. Just putting it out there.
@liamlin8394
@liamlin8394 5 жыл бұрын
TotalTakeoverGamez me to
@diontheweirdo
@diontheweirdo 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@miguelortiz3836
@miguelortiz3836 4 жыл бұрын
That is great about movies, they can be good or bad, and have flaws and good points but that doesn't stop anyone from enjoying them nonetheless.
@moosechuckle
@moosechuckle 4 жыл бұрын
So. I just watched it about a month ago. I bought it, and have watched it 4-5 times since. I loved the movie.
@gremlinfifty2308
@gremlinfifty2308 4 жыл бұрын
I watched it everynight for two weeks
@sadgirlhours4088
@sadgirlhours4088 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for actually breaking down why the movie isnt great in the storytelling aspect. So many people talk about that it's bad but never really explain it. Venom is definitely up there as one of my favorite superhero movies. It bothers me a lot when people trash on it but never fully explain why, so thanks for saying why in a way that actually makes sense.
@fdgvfdasgv
@fdgvfdasgv 3 жыл бұрын
Do they tell you hes not comic book accurate? That would require you to know what Venom is like in comics.
@implodingnerd
@implodingnerd 5 жыл бұрын
I feel, that with great writing, you can tell people something without having to show it. Like Daredevil season 2 when Punisher is talking about what happened to his family. There was more emotional weight just hearing him talking about it without showing it on screen.
@troglodytezero1697
@troglodytezero1697 5 жыл бұрын
Yes if the Actor has the talent to sale it in words. I was also thinking about Riggs in the first Lethal Weapon movie when he tells Murtaugh about his skilled marksmanship.
@alexcazet2694
@alexcazet2694 5 жыл бұрын
Anthony Caldwell yes but I think it’s different because it’s a monologue delivered for the sake of character development as opposed to lackadaisically telling the viewer important information about the movie that the viewer will need in order to make sense of the movies events. The movie is showing punisher describe what happened to his family- the power comes from his acting and the way he has been impacted by the events- it does not merely exist to move the plot along or give the viewer information.
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 5 жыл бұрын
Yer slightly mistaken here. They did show what they wanted, which wasn't his backstory. What they showed was how it scared his mind for life - him recalling the event + proper acting is what shows you that. Seeing an event is an attempt to trigger emotional responses on you. Problem is, it will be ur emotions, not that of someone who got traumatised by the event in a specific way. That specific trauma is shown by the way said person reacts while recalling the event much more clearly. Does require superior acting to pull it off, while showing an event just requires u to throw money at the problem.
@malcomchase9777
@malcomchase9777 5 жыл бұрын
Punisher exists because his Frank's family was killed. You see the effects of what happened from the moment a dude with a skull in his chest starts gunning gangsters down. Having him explain it just gives context to what we see on the screen. Imagine he told the same story while sipping margaritas at the beach and after we see a scene of him fucking a waitress with a smile on his face. The best actor in the world couldn't sell a damaged man out for vengance if the movie is showing us a playboy on vacation. That's "show, don't tell". It's not about never using dialogue, it's about using the action to compliment what you are saying.
@TheCCBoi
@TheCCBoi 5 жыл бұрын
You show and not tell essential elements of the story that drive the plot forward. You can explain backstory of a character by telling - otherwise you have a ton of shit flashback sequences.
@thedon7082
@thedon7082 5 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I really can't stand how condescending some of the fans of the movie are towards people who didn't like it. like, if you bring up a number of valid criticisms of the movie, these people usually don't acknowledge the criticisms and try to respond to them, they just completely hand wave them away and go "well I loved it so screw you". and you should see all the stupid excuses they come up with for why the movie got bad reviews from critics. I always hear "the critics lied" or "the critics are biased towards the MCU" or "critics only hated it because it doesn't have political messages". it's like they just heard that critics gave it bad reviews and they just took it at face value and automatically started complaining, like they didn't even look in to what the critics didn't like about it. some criticized the lack of character development, some criticized the inconsistent tone, and so far I haven't heard them try to rebut against the specific points, all I ever hear is "screw you it was great."
@nelisvanwieren9508
@nelisvanwieren9508 5 жыл бұрын
Theman Joe Well that because not everyone is an asshole critic wannabe with his/her little youtube channel who just watches movies to diss it. Some of us actually watch movies for entertainment.......
@SunsetBlvd515
@SunsetBlvd515 5 жыл бұрын
You just did the same thing though. We all have different motivations and things we want out of watching a movie, but why can't we accept the thing we watched can be improved or was flawed in some way? Food is a great example. Tons of food taste good, it's quick to make, it's cheap, but it can be bad for you or not that nutritious. Why would you criticize someone would tried to identify a flaw. It doesn't mean you can't eat it or that it's toxic or that you can't like it. Everyone says "it's just a movie". Movies aren't above critique. We all want better films. We all want the best value for our time and money. I don't get why people don't get excited about figuring out how or at least supporting conversations that try and figure out how to do that in a level headed manner. This video wasn't as mean spirited as it could have been. It proposed a method to attempt an improvement. It didn't shit on it. It tried to understand it and help it achieve what it wanted.
@blueberryblues5644
@blueberryblues5644 5 жыл бұрын
Theman Joe Most of the critics were really over the top acting like it was the worst movie to ever come into existence. I get what you mean, people say "Riot is kind of stupid" and people lose their minds, but the critics of the movie kinda deserve getting called dumb.
@thedon7082
@thedon7082 5 жыл бұрын
Bloobs McGargen I didn't see any critics acting like it was "the worst movie in existence". they just said they thought it was a mess, which I can totally understand someone thinking. and even though they disliked the movie, most of them said that they thought the comedy scenes between Eddie and the suit, they just criticized the script, which the fans of the movie haven't so much tried to defend but more so completely ignored. sure, comparing it to Catwoman and fant4stic a bit hyperbolic, but it was only a couple critics who said that, I felt most of them were pretty fair.
@blueberryblues5644
@blueberryblues5644 5 жыл бұрын
Theman Joe Venom's critic scores were way too low is my point. No matter what they were hating on, it was overdone.
@christiancountryboyilovejesus
@christiancountryboyilovejesus 5 жыл бұрын
He's not even hating on the movie. He is offering creative ideas of how it could be better. Seriously the haters are the people disliking this video. God bless 😇
@jellomiki
@jellomiki 3 жыл бұрын
When seeing it in theater, my friends and I arrived late and pretty much missed the whole 2 prologues, I liked it better that way.
@techmetal2964
@techmetal2964 5 жыл бұрын
People can have opinions but I still think Venom was a good character any good movie
@Wesley-xf1bd
@Wesley-xf1bd 5 жыл бұрын
show, don't tell... "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs" sometimes it's better not to show... leave somethings to the imagination.
@ValentineC137
@ValentineC137 5 жыл бұрын
I also ran the 100m sprint in 100 meters
@skeletonwar4445
@skeletonwar4445 5 жыл бұрын
If they show us garbage after telling us it was great, then yeah, please don't show again.
@lightningonlycommentsonce5824
@lightningonlycommentsonce5824 5 жыл бұрын
Leaving stuff to the imagination all the time is just lazy writing. Just means you're to damn lazy to flesh anything out.
@skeletonwar4445
@skeletonwar4445 5 жыл бұрын
@@lightningonlycommentsonce5824 Usually yes, but not when it's about a scary movie that builds or holds tension.
@dragonkeeper19600
@dragonkeeper19600 4 жыл бұрын
That was an example of showing, though. Because the point of that line isn't that the Millennium Falcon is fast, it's that Han himself is a braggart and a bullshitter. After he says that line, Luke and Obi-Wan exchange a very skeptical look, showing that A. his claim is ridiculous and B. they don't believe it. That scene establishes what kind of character Han is without anyone listing his traits or motivations and also reaffirms how desperate Luke and Obi-Wan's situation is, that they'll accept a ride from some jackass they don't trust because they need to get off Tatooine that badly. Besides, we do see that the Millennium Falcon is fast later. Its speed isn't only established through dialogue. We see that it can go light speed and that it does well in a dogfight. Telling without showing would be if Han brags about how fast the Falcon is and then we never see it fly. We just cut from Tatooine to them at Alderaan or whatever.
@magwitch1943
@magwitch1943 5 жыл бұрын
My only problem with this film is how Venom changes his mind about Brock and his mission without an apparent reason. He came to Earth to colonize it, infects Brock's body, then the good guys find out about his plan and temporarely get rid of him. Five minutes later Venom reunites with Brock and he's like "I changed my mind because of you" or some similar bullshit, despite the fact that nothing changed from before to actually make him change opinion
@PaulCozma
@PaulCozma 5 жыл бұрын
He changed his mind because he was a loser like eddie. So he wanted to be free from the more powerfull simbiots
@boshwa20
@boshwa20 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, aren't symbiote mindsets affected by their hosts? Venom while he was with Peter Parker helped him with catching criminals....albeit very extreme about it
@magwitch1943
@magwitch1943 5 жыл бұрын
@@boshwa20 ok but in this film it's not even explained
@PermanentHigh
@PermanentHigh 5 жыл бұрын
The whole plot made no sense. Invading the planet? So cliche.
@joehagarty4985
@joehagarty4985 5 жыл бұрын
It's explained within the movie. He finds Brock relatable on multiple levels, they bonded. He decided to follow the nobility he found in Brock, he would rather be a hero with Brock then be a loser outcast grunt in the symbiotic army
@frostycheeks9373
@frostycheeks9373 4 жыл бұрын
As a defense to the blue fire and orange fire argument I’d like to say that he was in the fire for a split second and it likely would have only caused extreme pain to venom for such a small amount of time
@Comegetyomansis4840
@Comegetyomansis4840 4 жыл бұрын
I found myself incredibly bored with the actual characters. I didn’t care about Eddie, his gf or the villain. The only interesting character is Venom
@ggamer1417
@ggamer1417 4 жыл бұрын
I mean...the movie is called Venom, so fair game in my book
@snailknight9060
@snailknight9060 4 жыл бұрын
That's because Eddie's history with Peter Parker and Spider-man was pretty much what made him interesting in the comic and the 90s animated series. Without that there is nothing to him. He's just a guy.
@Fridaey13txhOktober
@Fridaey13txhOktober 4 жыл бұрын
As it should.
@TerminatedAccount.
@TerminatedAccount. 4 жыл бұрын
You have no idea on how contradictory you statement is, the whole point of the symbiont is that Eddie and Venom end up becoming one. Venom is Eddie, Eddie is Venom if you don't like one or the other then you don't like both.
@conniehan6082
@conniehan6082 5 жыл бұрын
Those Robin Hood pictures were truly work of modern art
@Filmento
@Filmento 5 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@magicmanscott40k
@magicmanscott40k 5 жыл бұрын
It's super silly but u can tell a genius made it. A genius wanted to make a dumb film and it works
@plague6716
@plague6716 5 жыл бұрын
idk why people complain on the CGI, look at black panther. it got really high score with way worse CGI
@matthew6335
@matthew6335 5 жыл бұрын
Because VENOM is too white
@bonafiedangeredpenguin5387
@bonafiedangeredpenguin5387 5 жыл бұрын
Actually the CGI is gotten much better on the DVD release
@Jessica-yl2gu
@Jessica-yl2gu 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. There was also the fact that black panther didn't involve "sentient goo". They had to use every trick in the book to make the CGI look AVERAGE.
@TheDrizzle404
@TheDrizzle404 3 жыл бұрын
You were right. The interaction between Eddie and Venom are by far the best part of this movie. I have a feeling the 30 minutes that was cut was more of that.
@beachchickensmedia
@beachchickensmedia 5 жыл бұрын
Dang dude u r so good at these, this is like the best online film school
@hephaestus9901
@hephaestus9901 5 жыл бұрын
"How to kill a movie in 12 minutes" just bring avi arad to work on it
@trevorrogers95
@trevorrogers95 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about Amy!
@Luke101
@Luke101 5 жыл бұрын
Avi Arad worked on Spider-Man 2 so.....
@trevorrogers95
@trevorrogers95 5 жыл бұрын
@@Luke101 so? He didn't make that movie great. As a matter of fact, he's the reason why Spider-Man 3 is not great.
@Luke101
@Luke101 5 жыл бұрын
Trevor Rogers I didn’t say he made it great. I’m saying he worked on it.... 🤷🏼‍♂️ so your comment is invalid
@trevorrogers95
@trevorrogers95 5 жыл бұрын
@@Luke101 Well if all you're going to say is that he worked on Spider-Man 2, then your comment was a pretty useless one to begin with.
@baruscream7279
@baruscream7279 5 жыл бұрын
I really liked this movie, but those fixes are definitely a thing and would improve character development as well as story structure. I would love to see some kind of "Filmento's cut" with the things rearranged in that way.
@loganentertainment1814
@loganentertainment1814 3 жыл бұрын
When I first found out that Venom was gonna get his own movie, I wasn't so sure if I liked it. But after I watched it, I didn't think it was that bad. It'd give it an 8/10. It was the first movie that I thought wouldn't be good, but I was proven wrong. :)
@kallazjopatsu6846
@kallazjopatsu6846 2 жыл бұрын
It was 5/10 for me.
@hardik9616
@hardik9616 5 жыл бұрын
Venom is a guilty pleasure
@joshuagonzalez5950
@joshuagonzalez5950 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@blyzer7373
@blyzer7373 5 жыл бұрын
@bryan diaz varela You don't know what nostalgia means.
@danielz-v4083
@danielz-v4083 5 жыл бұрын
bryan diaz varela you dedicated have no idea what nostalgia mean, buddy. The movie is bad but the audience interested DEFINITELY doesnt have anything to do with it .( Not even actual Venom fans were too surprised since there was almost to no “comic book iconic moment reference)
@kingqunt8567
@kingqunt8567 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda like wanking when you say it to some people
@knockdadeathstroke3799
@knockdadeathstroke3799 5 жыл бұрын
Nah, I found watching The Room for the 2000th time more enjoyable than Venom and I love Venom and Spider man
@greenlizardballs
@greenlizardballs 5 жыл бұрын
"Hey I'm sorry about Venom" - Michelle Williams
@tatianapellegrinelli
@tatianapellegrinelli 5 жыл бұрын
You're like a movie doctor, diagnose the illness and treat it. I really like your videos, they give deep insight into the how-to of writing a good film.
@cherkaouia5541
@cherkaouia5541 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that made me love the movie is the relationship between eddie and venom. Tom hardy is such an amazing actor
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a purist when it comes to Venom. He's an anti-hero at best and murderous monster at worse. PLUS HE'S NOT RATED PG!!!!!!!!!
@MrShitthead
@MrShitthead 4 жыл бұрын
Venom at first: "Destroy the earth" Venom after consuming Eddie: "He's a loser... let's save the Earth" You're telling me you don't like that venom? lmao, the movie was fucking stupid.
@mrknarf4438
@mrknarf4438 4 жыл бұрын
I've loved one of the latest sagas, the one with Knull. I found a depth in Venom I hadn't expected.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 4 жыл бұрын
@@samvimes2061 Well at least I own the house of the basement I live in.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 4 жыл бұрын
@@samvimes2061 Says the child, whether literally or mentally, who decided to troll a comment thread six months old.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 4 жыл бұрын
@@samvimes2061 Hey man, it's cool. And I was just releasing some stress about the repetitive nature of Hollywood and it's need to net everyone into watching a character that was never mean't for kids. You have a good day and be well.
@Sunzu49
@Sunzu49 5 жыл бұрын
I laughed so much at "S-E-X" - made me think, 'Ah, I remember when we all called it that!'
@nikxbharali1999
@nikxbharali1999 4 жыл бұрын
8:08 - It's only when I watched this video, I realised that Eddie's girlfriend was a lawyer. I didn't even realise it when watching the movie itself. So, I guess he's right about the "Show, Don't Tell" thing. It IS very important.
@krahvata
@krahvata 3 жыл бұрын
This movie is like an action rom-com and that's precisely why I liked it. Also, the fact that the romance is between Eddie and Venom makes it so much better. I never read the comics but I always knew from the internet that those two were basically canonically married in every single way.
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else also find it weird when terms like 'something being someone's krypronite' is mentioned in a Marvel movie? Like do they even think about these things for a second to realise how dumb that sounds. I mean a more generic phrase for someones weakness already exists, say Achille's heel or something. . .Don't just make a reference to something that shouldn't even exist in your universe to begin with not to mention is a bit awkward when you consider it's a reference to the literal rival comic book universe.
@rubberbandman3rd
@rubberbandman3rd 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps but maybe in this universe dc is only a media company and the superheroes aren't real
@kevinblack8222
@kevinblack8222 4 жыл бұрын
I find that to be a problem too. Its like Marvel is saying comic book is real but Marvel themselves been playing a major role in the comic book history. Some DC characters were even inspired or developed later on because of Marvel inspirations and vice versa.
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinblack8222 Oh basically all comic book heroes are copies or combinations of heroes from other publishers. It's actually a super interesting topic to research. Me and a GF did it for one of our Trivia game nights once. Well, that wasn't the whole focus but was one of the rounds. She came up with 5 supewr heroes that were either copies or heavily inspired by another comic book hero and i had to guess which hero it was. Yeah, we're kind of lame xD
@Here_is_Waldo
@Here_is_Waldo 4 жыл бұрын
To my knowledge, it's been a long running thing that both Marvel and DC exist in each other's Universe as a comic book.
@danm4863
@danm4863 3 жыл бұрын
This movie is SONY not marvel
@darnit1944
@darnit1944 5 жыл бұрын
How did Venom sympathizes with humanity by climbing up a building?
@willfanofmanyii3751
@willfanofmanyii3751 3 жыл бұрын
Because he has access to Eddie's memories.
@theballzeateralternativeac3668
@theballzeateralternativeac3668 3 жыл бұрын
*wHo kN0wS?*
@MrSensitiveNipples
@MrSensitiveNipples 5 жыл бұрын
I mostly gave the telling of fire as a weakness from venom a pass, because it was a comedic and character building moment between the three of them.
@fonzylopez5806
@fonzylopez5806 5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention...it SHOWS fire hurts the symbiote during the motorcycle chase. I mean he mentions it but its already been shown visually.
@velvet40011
@velvet40011 3 жыл бұрын
If it was rated R then i think i would've loved him much more like the new Joker film.
@gtwwayyg1
@gtwwayyg1 5 жыл бұрын
That awkward moment when the ad in this video is one for Venom coming out on DVD
@JambopaulGamerInPJs
@JambopaulGamerInPJs 5 жыл бұрын
While I personally enjoyed the movie quite a bit, I will admit that it has a lot of problems. This video is very well articulated and I think many of your points are valid.
@pheonixsheppard9012
@pheonixsheppard9012 5 жыл бұрын
You could use his same argument to trash a lot of "hero" films that are successful though, and didn't get nearly the hate Venom did. Thor, Iron man, and Capt. America all did these same things he said, and weren't nearly as blown apart.
@JambopaulGamerInPJs
@JambopaulGamerInPJs 5 жыл бұрын
Good Point.
@pheonixsheppard9012
@pheonixsheppard9012 5 жыл бұрын
@@JambopaulGamerInPJs his points are really good though, and now that I've seen this video, I will forever have it in my head about extra beginning prologue issues. Lol.
@MarkyMatey
@MarkyMatey 5 жыл бұрын
A wonderful trainwreck.
@rearlyric3460
@rearlyric3460 5 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Parker perfect review right there 😆 I enjoyed it while I was watching it but that was mostly because of the fact that venom is cool and it had some funny parts. Wonderful trainwreck
@davidnally2426
@davidnally2426 5 жыл бұрын
@bryan diaz varela it's basically a good bad
@jjsalazar371
@jjsalazar371 5 жыл бұрын
No u
@JohnSmith-df6oi
@JohnSmith-df6oi 4 жыл бұрын
Venom was written and filmed as a R-rated movie. Only at the 11th hour during final production did some genius big wig decide that a PG rating would be better... cough cough.
@seabassmarrero3200
@seabassmarrero3200 3 жыл бұрын
Well well well, if it isn’t my old nemesis...
@senorken491
@senorken491 5 жыл бұрын
i may Like This Movie but yeah You are right with this
@definitelynotkraw
@definitelynotkraw 5 жыл бұрын
i like how the eminem song is just him having a heroin overdose while a free trap beat plays in the background
@zoidberg1256
@zoidberg1256 3 жыл бұрын
ah yes villain dies to rocket explosion so venom must instantly from small drone explosion
@Nai_101
@Nai_101 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the dynamic between venom and eddie. Loved the visuals too
@walkerthegr8
@walkerthegr8 4 жыл бұрын
Filmento: Show don't tell! Also Filmento: Why did they show that? shoud've cut it out
@vitorgouveia5378
@vitorgouveia5378 3 жыл бұрын
yes, remove it from all the context he gave earlier
@Sunny-er6ec
@Sunny-er6ec 5 жыл бұрын
I think they could have gone with something like a scene of spaceship crashing in the prologue before the Title. Than should have gone with eddy in his new broken down bad boy apartment where he is shown to be a sad guy who is missing his ex. (that shows that something happened between them that was really serious and not some stupid thing like in the movie this is something where telling would have worked rather than showing maybe make him look at some old pictures of them having fun but just that) the character arc should be him coping up with reality that they are not together anymore Than he gets approached by that scientist lady who he suddenly freaksout over because he recognises her. Which establishes that there was something serious that happened between him and the LIFE that make him lost his job and his girlfriend that he loved. Let the scenario be mystery and the important details be conveyed through the character interactions we need to only know as much as we want for the story. Than let the whole movie play like usual just add that super cut 40 min of Tom Hardy that apparently got cut out. I think that leaves us with a decent movie
@sirlunacy8066
@sirlunacy8066 5 жыл бұрын
Wow I was wondering how you were going to call Venom a failure, but I Love storytelling, and I agree with pretty much all your points Filmento🤔 Very well articulated sir.
@ishaanijk5822
@ishaanijk5822 4 жыл бұрын
The story you portrayed in the end seemed amazing. They definitely couldn't make an amazing story but yet it being a hit is just the reason they should make a sequel where they don't have to make a prologue and a back story of the rise of the venom and get straight to the point. But heck I love your version, that would've been amazing
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