Transformers: Rise of the Beasts - The Curse of Emptiness | Anatomy of a Failure

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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is another Transformers blockbuster without Michael Bay, and it pays the price for it. It's the biggest Transformers flop in theaters so far and it adds almost nothing to the franchise. It just makes you wish that Shia Labeouf's Sam Witwicky was still here, and yes, even that Megan Fox was still here. Instead, Rise of the Beasts offers things like animal transformers called Maximals that are barely in the movie and final battles in an empty cgi jungle that pales in comparison with Dark of the Moon for example. The movie is sort of empty, as many modern bad Hollywood movies often are. In today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's see what that means and how to avoid it.
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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023)
Rise of the Beasts is “the best Transformers movie yet.” See it on the biggest screen possible. Watch the final trailer now. Returning to the action and spectacle that have captured moviegoers around the world, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts will take audiences on a ‘90s globetrotting adventure with the Autobots and introduce a whole new faction of Transformers - the Maximals - to join them as allies in the existing battle for earth. Directed by Steven Caple Jr. and starring Anthony Ramos and Dominique Fishback, the film arrives in theatres June 9, 2023. Optimus prime, optimus primal, scourge, airazor, mirage, arcee.
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Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011)
The interstellar war between the Autobots and Decepticons shifts into overdrive following the discovery of Sentinel Prime (voice of Leonard Nimoy) in this sequel from director Michael Bay. Only a precious handful of officials in the government and military realize that the 1969 moon mission was the result of an event that threatened profound repercussions for the entire human race. When the Apollo 11 Rise of the beasts trailer everything wrong with transformers rise of the beasts honest trailer watch transformers rise of the beasts full movie online free 4k clip optimus vs scourge rise of the beasts ending explained fight scene rise of the beasts action scene only action best moments funny moments rise of the beasts 2 transformers 7 8 rise of the beatss final fight battle bumblebee returns how did bumblebee survive bumblebee death rise of the beasts maximals scene optimus primal vs airrazor what happened sam witwicky where is rise of the beasts flop bad movie astronauts discover the wrecked remains of Sentinel Prime on the surface of our natural satellite, they bring him back to planet Earth. But Sentinel Prime wasn't the only alien object on the moon, and when a malevolent new enemy makes its presence known, only the Autobots can save humankind from certain destruction.

[@Filmento]

Filmento weekly video challenge continues. Flash is next. Do you think it'll be a positive or negative video?

[@withertempestprime8718]

Negative

[@cybersoldierforever]

You want to know? Of course it will be negative.

[@LestherGui]

Regardless, a great video for sure

[@getpranked70]

If rise of the beasts was negative flash has to be 😂

[@binary1045]

Could you add Pacific Rim to that challenge? I would love it even if you rip it to shreds (even though it's underrated and great)

[@olympusthedarkone83]

“How is Pete Davidson able to be in every movie… and every woman…” truly one of the mysteries of all time

[@chongsfury4358]

Pete Davidson is in every woman, because he's in every movie, and he's in every movie because he's... brown... I guess

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@chongsfury4358 What?!! The only thing that remotely makes him "brown" is he always looks like he just climbed out of a pile of trash beneath an overpass after an all-night heroine binge.

[@i_cedi9861]

Probably because hes funny, rich and looks good enough

[@eiriksundby]

I usually find davidson pretty annoying in most movies, but his performance and jokes in this movie were genuinely charming. I like mirage

[@vincenta8652]

I bet you he doesn’t spend time wondering who else gets women… that’s low energy

[@KineticKey2006]

props to Scourge for finally get through Bumblebee's plot armour.

[@gorillachronicles]

Shout-out the Peruvian energon that got charged by unicron and just resurrected him

[@MR_stone69]

​@@gorillachroniclesbro death was just plot amour

[@CaptainRockoBD]

@@MR_stone69y’all hate on everything. Shit was awesome. His return was badass asf, had my whole theater cheering.

[@MR_stone69]

@@CaptainRockoBD lol

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@@CaptainRockoBD it was cheap as hell.

[@bored_potato]

Personally, I like their approach to a version of Optimus that doesn't automatically gives his trust to humanity. Bumblebee likely told him everything from his time so far on earth, both about Charlie and the soldiers who aligned with the Decepticons for their own gain. While yes, I get that Optimus is generally a figure of nobility, kindness, and basically everything that makes up a "perfect" leader, and yet something that's typically overlooked by the audience is that he's still a leader who's endured, and is still enduring, a war that's been lasting for eons---so much so that it turned their home world uninhabitable. However, I do agree that there should have been more scenes that explained his distrust like mentioning the temporary decepticon alliance the army had in the previous movie.

[@ap6806]

I agree with this because as it is now, it's like the movie makes Optimus into this distrusting jerk just to have him as a distrusting jerk. At least in Age of Extinction it showed the betrayal, and we knew why Optimus was bitter and resentful.

[@jblazerndrowzy]

⁠@@ap6806In this movie, Unicron is literally around the corner and Bumblebee was most likely dead. I think it’s fair for Optimus to be pissed off for a bit.

[@uDontSolo]

​@jblazerndrowzy but they're talking about how he doesn't trust the humans, stay on topic

[@jblazerndrowzy]

@@uDontSolo And I was saying those points could contribute to Optimus being more jumpy, mean, and not as willing to go along with anyone through pout the movie. Stay on topic.

[@uDontSolo]

@jblazerndrowzy they still we're not talk8ng about that tho, stay on topic

[@megatron2171]

To me the problem with rise of the beast is that, they tried to do too much, that they kinda lost sight on a lot of things

[@Whydoweneedhandles427]

They should’ve made the actual beast wars characters and mirage the main and Optimus and bee enter the main fight. Idk…

[@shenglongisback4688]

Yup should of trimmed it down alot. I always wanted it too have the rise the of beast as the next movie. For the movie that after bumblebee, I wanted it too start where Bee see Optimus all most get jumped. The opening sees how Prime got away .. How Starscream shuts down Soundwave and Shockwave attempts too locate Megs and focus on the Autobots. Shockwave could say "Megatron could still be functional?? Starscream says "Wana bet"!! Leading too the fact Starscream knows what happen too Megatron. It shoots back too Prime and Bee on earth where Bee tells Him what happened to him, then Prime says something like "this world is more fragile that Cybertron, we must not stay too long", "We will recoup We will recover We will STAND STRONG TILL ALL ARE ONE!! Then the title screen.

[@FOF275]

It honestly sucks that standards have dropped so low because a lot of movies/shows have been mediocre. Now something decent is considered a 10/10

[@Axterix13]

That's due to thumbs up/down culture, where something is all or nothing. You either like or dislike, and that's that. Probably shorter attention spans don't help either... no time for nuanced thought, on to the next thing!

[@topoffthecoupe1871]

nah it depends on franchise

[@joshdunne8792]

​@@Axterix13i don't think shorter attention spans is a problem for movies. All movies have to grip you in some way to get you interested in the first place and that has always been the case, whether it's the trailer or the opening of the movie. Facebook, twitter, tik tok and so on encourage short term attention but people still read books, watch movies and tv series and podcasts are loved and consumed more and more each year for hours of entertainment

[@Oh_L_verg]

That’s actually accurate

[@eiriksundby]

I would argue the opposite has happened. Highly Competent movies like rotb are deemed as trash simply because they aren't excellent. We're in an age where if you aren't 10/10, you're a 1

[@daevion5585]

Optimus Versus Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor is still by far the most badass Fight that Prime has been into. It really showcased his skill and worthiness as a Prime/Knight.

[@mryeetproductions]

One problem with that fight was it made the decepticons look so weak lmao which i guess was a problem in all of bayverse.

[@blackmagnetica8714]

​@@mryeetproductions 1. They were in a forest not a city 2. Megatron has a new body he's not used to 3. Optimus is literally a Prime

[@____Carnage____]

@@blackmagnetica8714 and Megatron was literally brought back from the dead only a day prior

[@reptilo7099]

​@blackmagnetica8714 you're right on the first 2 but on the third, bayverse prime is a warrior class cybertronian that is destined to become a prime, he wasn't fully a prime until he had the matrix of leadership thanks to sam reviving him in ROTF.

[@MR_stone69]

​@@mryeetproductionstrue but in most the decepticon are just weak especially the soldiers type

[@LostStudios73]

Your point on why Optimus is conflicted by being on earth is justified. In a deleted scene it reveals they have no ship and that Autobots are being killed on Cybertron making Optimus try to get back asap to save the Autobots. If they kept that one scene it, Optimus character ark would have been 1000x better.

[@gabrieleamancini3990]

That brings up a question in me... Why would optimus, a strategic leader take the most autobot possible on a random planet distant from earth knowing that he doesn'have a ship to get back to cybertron. I wonder if they landed on a desert planet the autobot would have just being trapped there against his own will

[@gabrieleamancini3990]

Distant from* cybertron sorry

[@porsche-sandoesnotundersta8184]

@@PottedSprout yeah confused me too, then suddenly it's a pitstop? Why did they need to even stop on a random ass planet without a means to go back to their original world?

[@WesCaptain480]

@@PottedSprout How are they going to take cybertron back if they cant get to it use logic better. 😆

[@Manifesss]

Deleted scene might as well be none canon audience needs to know that information in the movie

[@theodorehodbor5080]

I think the biggest sin this movie committed was they made fucking *Unicron* of all things feel underwhelming. The way he was introduced just felt so low-energy and bland, like he was just a footnote despite being one of the most iconic things in the whole series. I wouldn't have even complained if they just straight up copied 1-for-1 his intro in the first animated movie, literally anything would've been better than what we got.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

The saddest part of this movie is the people saying we can't critique them for some reason, even though they would shit on the Bay movies every time they had a chance.

[@etam8099]

Average Transformers fan behavior

[@deathblade2639]

Because they look like G1 designs, so its literally 10 out of 10

[@MR_stone69]

​@@deathblade2639sage

[@kadajawi2]

​@@deathblade2639I don't give a f... about G1 designs... don't even know what that is. Michael Bay is good at action. He is great at action. He is great at CGI. Everything else though? Yeah the plot is good enough (it's the same here), but whenever there are humans on screen I just want to skip forward. Sam Wi...whatever is annoying as hell. His parents are even worse. Those scenes would be embarassing in a parody of a teen comedy... Human characters in his movies are either assholes or idiots and do nothing to move the plot. They are hardly characters and scream all the time. Or show their hot body. In those aspects, this is a vastly superior film. Even if it feels smaller, cheaper, there's less spectacle. Now yeah, what do you really watch a Transformers movie for? The characters and story, or the action? But this is a much more rounded movie, that you can watch from start to end, while if you'd cut all the scenes with humans out of Bayformers, you'd end up with a MUCH better movie. In future, they should have Bay for the action sequences and a director that can actually do plot and characters etc. handle the rest.

[@mindgames7411]

The only reason people like this movie is because it’s set in the 90s. It’s mid at best.

[@maydayman9285]

The biggest compliment I can give the movie, is that I don't regret watching it. All in all it's better than recent Marvel, but it's obviously nowhere near the potential the Transformers franchise has to offer

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

Anything is better than recent marvel, doesn't mean it's necessarily good

[@Archivos34]

This comment is like "Either they hit me with a bat or a stick, but I let them hit me because there's no other option."

[@jfoster8624]

Lmao recent marvel? GOTG vol 3 black panther 2 all clear this

[@maydayman9285]

@@jfoster8624 Guardians was amazing, it was more of a general statement. I also enjoyed Black Panther 2, but nowhere near as much as Guardians

[@cybersoldierforever]

GOTG 3 was enjoyable than Ant-Man 3 and Secret Invasion.

[@adityaXsingh]

The person whom i missed the most is Steve Jablonsky. I still often listen to his soundtracks from first 3 transformers, literally masterpiece. Music in this movie was also hallow and empty. Also, after this movie I realised the actual worth of 1st transformers movie, they did it the first time and did almost everything right.

[@oh.boy.cheese.e54]

He helped making the music of rotb

[@relentlessfrags4914]

@@oh.boy.cheese.e54 only part of it, rest of the rotb music was trash hood gangsta rap music. absolute ghetto trash music for a movie that is supposed to almost be an epic.

[@etam8099]

4 and 5 don't have great OST's lmao?

[@fernandorijpkema691]

@@etam8099 4 was great imho, I don't like 5 purely for the movie it's in

[@etam8099]

@@fernandorijpkema691 That's such a petty reason bruh

[@nelsonnovember318]

You know. One thing i really liked abt sam as a protagonist was just how average he was. He didnt need a forced sob story or skills the plot required. He was just a normal kid thrown into a galactic conflict. Thats why it was alot easier to relate to him

[@joe94c]

One thing that Bay's tranformers got right is scale as well. When ever you cut a bay action scene, it feels like absolute titans clashing

[@iancruz6617]

Yea rise of the beast. They look so small and ironic part they move slow. Camera angles bay did to make them look big like when Sam walks to Optimus prime they put camera next to Sam feet to show and make Optimus prime look like Titan size even bubble bee when first time meeting Sam and fox they use this ram to make it look his bigger that a cool Illusion even if the transformers different size.

[@spider-man500]

​@@iancruz6617That and the fact that Bayverse Transformers are actually much bigger than these ones. Optimus here is 16ft tall, the same size as Bayverse Bumblebee, while Bayverse Optimus is 28-30ft tall.

[@ackkenan2346]

@@iancruz6617only in the few movies, after dark of the moon (and I’m been generous because I haven’t see that movie in awhile) he kind of stop caring and it becomes really uninspired

[@eiriksundby]

That's probably cuz now half their body isn't off screen while they're fighting

[@trunghoadang3710]

@@spider-man500 You know that the OG G1 Transformers aren't Bayverse big, right? Bayverse characters are like the definition of inflation when it comes to robot sizes.

[@krislyons2793]

One of the best parts of the Michael Bay movies was the score and soundtrack. I don't think any of the recent Transformers movies have even come close to living up to them in that regard.

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

It’s one of the most iconic soundtracks of the 2000s and 2010s imo. Im almost certain most people have heard arrival to earth whether or not they’ve seen the movies

[@nitroplays7024]

Did you watch ROTB

[@Captianmex1C0]

Yeah especially dark of the moon, Nothing in the other films, Bay or Knight even come close to the autobots return in DOTM, Or Optimus's rage scene, Or his final showdown with Megatron

[@iancruz6617]

Rise of the beast has shtty soundtrack that they had to use the 2007 soundtrack lmfao

[@kennethsatria6607]

But I can safely love the characters more in this one, no theories and speculations needed

[@ellorasg4525]

I personally think Transformers should be an episode series. There is so much content that seems to be just skimmed over, like has anyone read the comics. There is a lot going on in there.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsh7934]

THANK YOU! I love the movies but a lot of stuff is glossed over due to how much is crammed in them, w live action series would work soooo much better

[@ellorasg4525]

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsh7934 and that's just the comics, we still have the novels, manga, anime, cartoon, games and 3d series that have their own universes and topics.

[@Deadput]

@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsh7934 Implying that Paramount is even capable of the budget for a live action Transformers series, they can't fully make it work as movies as is, there is no way a show would be satisfying. Even their best CGI show attempt with Halo wasn't particularly convincing the whole way through, a live action Transformer show would need technological advancements to make managing CGI budget cheaper.

[@mrsam0496]

No movie franchise should ever be turned into a series. It dilutes the franchise. Se the MCU. Fans cried out for series in the beginning phases, to 'flesh out' their favoriite characters. Thay got what they wanted

[@ellorasg4525]

@@mrsam0496 anime, cartoon, manga and comics: Hi, we exist!

[@reddragon2150]

Scourge not killing the human instantly after grabbing him got on my nevres. Also Optimus having his whole squad alive in the end while Primal's squad continues taking L's is down right dirty.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

Keep in mind Scourge can just kill off the Autobots right then and there too. But he has so much power that he rather let his enemies suffer before being killed.

[@MentalProblems89]

I really enjoyed the movie.My problem with it was the lack of screen time of Cheetor and Rhinox.They were soo great in Beast Wars.

[@dafence_]

also the severe lack of beast wars theme 😭but yea this movie was a surreal experience as a beast wars enjoyer

[@philippevernot9553]

Nah movie was at best mid

[@rafdor5131]

Yes, I enjoyed it as well.

[@Johanimate]

Same, I don't even think Rhinox spoke in the Entire movie, like all Rhinox did was ram Pablo, roar, Run around in the final battle and Maximize and pretty much just that

[@xenoemblem7]

@@philippevernot9553 Ever heard of "opinions"?

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

There was something about Bayformers that felt gritty. Like all the characters especially the soldiers were all sweaty and dirty after every battle, pieces of transformers were blown and shot off during every fight, you felt the impact of every explosion and a lot of real dust and debris was always being kicked around. Almost every battle genuinely felt like everyone including the transformers were being pushed to their physical limit.

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

They even talked about that in the tf2 bts how there were "fases" of destruction

[@betterlatethannever2156]

Movies back then tried to be grounded and realistic with tons of practical effects, but with the advancement of CGI and VFX it feels like directors are starting to lose sight of the pizazz that made older films work.

[@iancruz6617]

Yea the battle felt like you're there and they feel heavy. Rise of the beast looks like there balloons and not interact with the real environments s around them. Shows how much step back it gotten

[@LoganSLRLockwood]

This kinda shit is exactly what people criticized so much about the bayformers movies lol

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Exactly! Rise of The Beasts is shot so Genericly, it’s boring. Everything looks too clean and the Transformers look small.

[@Giran_0]

I hate how they killed Airazor with a hug and everyone else who got shot,stab, and torn to pieces gets brought back to life like nothing happened

[@geardog24]

Thank you! It’s like the writers saw how she was getting actual screen time and character development and said she had to go.

[@DavidFleisch]

I was also expecting so much more from this movie. Throughout the movie i kept having this "falling short" feeling. Thank you for so succinctly putting this together. Now lets all acknowledge that the best scene in the film was when mirage was running from the cops.

[@crazygrim4895]

Naw the movie was actually good

[@spider-man500]

​@@crazygrim4895nope!

[@M_k-zi3tn]

​@@crazygrim4895lol no it's not. It's so boring

[@Diloparker]

Yea, I really liked “Bumblebee” and I was so excited to see what they would do next. I was very disappointed in Rise of the Beasts. -The characters were less than “Bumblebee”. (Holy hell I found Mirage annoying) -The Antagonist were boring, and poorly built up. -The CGI is also worse. I seriously don’t get it when people say this was better than Bumblebee. Bumblebee at least had a good heart felt relationship between the main protagonist and the character Bumblebee. Rise of the Beasts either just has the characters explain to you what others are feeling. Or the characters relationship dynamics are so vaporous in the movie I barely feel anything for them. But that’s just my personal opinion.

[@crazygrim4895]

@@M_k-zi3tn how I literally see it as transformers prime

[@SourRobo8364]

I rewatched Transformers 2007 after seeing RoTB. We really took for granted that movie. CGI is 16 years old and looks superior. Also, Steve Jablonsky's score is amazing. How great we had it back then.

[@lazyvoid7107]

The issues was using a different studios then Og studios, I hope they will return to make a other one

[@Vulpes_Shinbi]

ILM vs a budget cgi studio... but the CGI isn't bad at all. The entire feel and look of the robots is more plastic, probably fits, because we are not looking at bare metal or Bayverse designs.

[@Ericspil790]

Now people appreciate bay more huh

[@calebbilling4984]

It's surprising how well some movies hold up in the CG department. Still amazes me how well Disney's Dinosaur holds up despite being from 2000.

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

@@Ericspil790 It,s always like that. People join the bandwagon without thinking, then they realize their mistake too late

[@Chilled_out_Penguin]

There's a deleted scene that explains why they are stuck on earth, basically the Deceptions know where Prime and the gang are, but they keep destroying every way they try to get off earth. It also had an awesome fight between Prime and a Deception. The scene was awesome, it should have been kept in

[@fortimusprime]

Wait, this was mentioned on the Transit Vs. Optimus deleted scene?!

[@N_O_I_S_E92]

​@@fortimusprimeit was supposed to be but that scene is unfinished in guessing they gathered what dialog and models and just threw it in there that would explain transits constant model change

[@fortimusprime]

@@N_O_I_S_E92 ahhh I see. I just watched it and it makes sense.

[@Zodiac3107]

The scene was deleted because it makes no f*cking sense! Shatter and Dropkick were trying to send a message to the Decepticons on Cybertron at the end of (2018) Bumblebee. However, they weren't successful. So no! The Decepticons don't know where the Autobots and the "gang" are.

[@N_O_I_S_E92]

@@Zodiac3107 unfortunately no that's not the reason what I stated has been confirmed to be the reason

[@spiderjai]

I honestly agree. I did like the movie but I only liked the movie because I know a lot about transformers so things made sense to ME. But my dad who only watched bayverse fell asleep twice and was confused during the movie

[@dylanhudec979]

Your dad is a real one

[@eybros]

the movie felt a bit childish. unlike beast wars there was literally no reason to why the maximals had to resemble earthly animals despite being on a completely different planet. pretty confusing tbh for me who even knew about it all.

[@electricrage272]

I'm a very big Transformers fan, and I was really darn excited to see the film But the movie was a mixed bag for me. I enjoyed the Transformers themselves, especially Mirage, but there's a lot of things that made me not enjoy this movie. For one, the racism against white people in this film. People say you can't be racist to white people, but you can. In the beginning, Noah's mom makes an offensive comment saying that he should pretend to laugh at the jokes cause whites love that kind of stuff. And maybe if he laughs, they will agree to give him a job. White people are painted as the bad guys. (The job interviewer and the museum boss) Another thing that made me mad was what they did to Wheeljack. I was on the fence about his new look, but as soon as I heard the accent, I wanted to lose it. Like yes, I know he was in Peru for a while and gained an accent, but that was too much. People apparently aren't allowed to say bad things about this movie, but can shit on the Bayverse films. Yes, those movies have flaws, but the first 3 are the best ones. I may be a little biased cause I saw those as a kid, but I seriously hate how everyone bashes the movies cause they aren't like G1. I love G1 too and was fine with what they did. Rise Of The Beasts made me appreciate the Bayverse even more.

[@alexlazzerly3677]

I still think it's way better than the most recent Michael Bay Transformers movie, but I have a soft spot for the original trilogy. Even though I was critical of them when they first come out, in hindsight, there's actually quite a bit of heart to them, and the action set pieces are memorable. I would say their main flaw is the bad comedy but overall I think they're solid movies.

[@razerx100]

I love the mostly G1 designs (I want to pretend Wheeljack doesn't exist.) but the thing which pissed me the most was how Optimus hates humans. That's totally out of character for him.

[@spider-man500]

Even the bad Bayverse films were far more epic, exciting and action packed.

[@spider-man500]

​@@razerx100Which is funny. All G1 fanboys live for one reason, to shit on Bayverse and anything related to it. Like Optimus being violent or shit. Which is weird considering Optimus was nice to humans even on first contact, he ONLY became angry and aggressive towards them MUCH later on when they betrayed and nearly wiped out they're kind on earth. He had a reason to hate them later on Why the fuck does this much less experienced Optimus hate humans?

[@k.guzhvin4952]

​​​@@razerx100wouldn't say it's hate, more like a strong skepticism towards them. Considering that in this reboot series autobots were in a hurry to get out of Cybertron to regroup and retake their homeworld, they originally didn't plan to live among humans after decepticons kicked them out. Bumblebee's first interaction with humans was being almost killed by them, so I wouldn't be surprised if Prime had similar mindset and didn't want to risk his autobots. Even then, he still got softer towards human characters throughout this movie and in the end fought with one of them together against Scourge.

[@eiriksundby]

I've always struggled perceiving the heart people say is in those movies. As someone who's rewatched them a dozen times as a kid. They are so mean spirited and disinterested in allowing any characters to have any form of dignity

[@thenewsatinbobcat5575]

The crazy thing is they cut some scenes that would've added the things mentioned. Optimus, in the beginning, was gonna fight a hiding decepticon in pursuit to steal his ship to go home. It would've shown the difference between the Decepticons and Terricons in Powers. Also, there was a scene cut that would've added a chase in the temple where the humans get chased by Cheetor and Rinox. Finally, there was an alternate ending where Optimus was gonna get sucked up with Unicron at the end.

[@TammyBoy]

I think that alternate ending would've been used if the film wasn't a reboot to the bayfilms, since it would explain how Optimus prime arrives again to Earth. Just my thoughts

[@thenewsatinbobcat5575]

@TammyBoy I think it would've actually set up Nemesis Prime for a sequel. As there is a cut end credit scene on youtube of optimus floating in front of Unicron's eyes.

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

The deleted scenes won't fix the dull direction tho

[@Archivos34]

Bayverse fans can't justify continuity errors (like Sam having another girlfriend in DOTM) but apparently AntiBayverse can use them to justify yours because since it's not a movie directed by Bay it's the "Best thing that could happen to transformers "

[@nooneknowsidc]

The alternate ending is cool but dumb

[@AlViPatrocks123]

The fact that they mentioned if they destroy the console, it would be a big catastrophe equal to opening the black hole that would inevitably consume earth and then suddenly just decided to destroy it anyway is still confusing to me.

[@lastprime10-11]

I think the main reason it can fall flat to many peoples is due to the way they made it, much like Spider-Man no way home, it’s catered to lots of “older” fans or fans who know more of the mythos, so while you can really see the relation ship between someone like primal and airazor on screen, fans know the story and relation they hold in other media. As for scourge we can’t tell how power full he is supposed to be, but his demeanor and how he casually killed apelinq is supposed to show he’s not someone to mess with, him fighting prime is other example, prime is one of the strongest autobots, and Scourge is just casually toying with him

[@rasengan720]

This movie makes so sense even to older fans you speak of

[@lastprime10-11]

@@rasengan720 I’m speaking in terms of nostalgia my guy, much like no way home was filled with nostalgia, but I agree in a way seeing as it was a short fill it definitely could have benefited with a bit more time to expand

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

@@rasengan720it’s not that it doesn’t make sense. It’s a transformers movie, it was made for children to understand. It’s that the nostalgia is the only interesting part

[@jihanraiyan3303]

But also it pissed me off the way they made Optimus look like an anxious and weak leader

[@lastprime10-11]

@@jihanraiyan3303 I mean i Can understand the anxiety aspect, they really should have delve more into the cybertron plot, but 7 years away from home is a lot, as well as what mirage said he blames himself so it’s understandable

[@zeroraptor_]

The problem was that this was originally supposed to be 2 movies: a Beast Wars movie and the Bumblebee sequel. Executives decided to merge the movies together into one and so there's too many characters and too much story to properly flesh out. If anything, it's the live-action equivalent of the 1987 Transformers movie where there's too many things happening for the audience to focus on. Executives want the profitability of the MCU, but aren't willing to put the effort into building Transformers into a proper cinematic universe.

[@XrozChannel]

Everyone wants that. Universal with the Dark Universe (R.I.P.), Sony with Venom, Morbius and Kraven films, Warner with DC, etc...

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

Your point on "missing dynamics" further convinces me that apparently there is a "macguffin" like scene that would have fixed so many issues of this movie that was cut from the film: the Transit scene. For those unaware, there were test screenings as well as released online of a deleted scene/alternate opening that was about Optimus fighting a bus Decepticon named Transit. After Prime defeats Transit, he interrogates him trying to find his ship (so Prime can get back to Cybertron). In the online released version, Transit just taunts Prime that he destroyed his ship and that he'll never make it back, and then Prime kills him. The test screening version has more though in that as part of Transit's taunting he shows Prime a hologram of Autobots back on Cybertron being tortured/executed with their last words expressing hope that Prime will return and save them; and after Prime kills Transit, he dumps his body in a lake that is filled with many other dead Decepticons. This scene would have fixed so many issues. For one thing, it would have embodied "show-not-tell" when it comes to most of Prime's issues in the film. We understand why he's not only desperate to make it back home but also feels like a failure from the hologram. We realize that Prime's been trying to get back for a while after seeing the mass Decepticon grave (while also seeing that he's a very capable warrior). While it does not fix/justify Prime's attitude towards humans, it at least helps the audience to understand why Prime is a bit more angry in this film and at the least be very "Autobots first" rather than human focused; his people are being slaughtered for 7 years and he's been unable to do to anything about it. In fact, the dialogue between Mirage and Noah in which Mirage explains to Noah why Prime is the way he is was added because they cut this scene out (they told instead of showed). With your "missing dynamics" point, it also addresses the power dynamics issue with at least Prime because we would see Prime be able to defeat a Deception, but then later he can't seem to land a single hit on Scourge. As the deleted scene exists now, it doesn't perfectly fix this issue, but it would not have been that hard to do. A simple modification to this deleted scene would have Prime using moves that he ends up repeating when he fights Scourge for the first time. Vs Transit, these moves are very effective; when Prime fights Scourge though, not only is he not able to land a hit, he's even over powered by Scourge. And when that happens, we'll be with Optimus when he comes to that realization that Scourge is on/over his level and says "Impossible!" In order to make it better, you could cut out the fight scene in the beginning between Apelink (the other monkey transformer) and Scourge so that the fight between Prime and Scourge is the first time we see how strong Scourge is (and perhaps like the Bumblebee movie opening just have Primal see Apelink about to fight but not actually show it, and maybe using Scourge ripping Bumblebee's Autobot logo off and placing it next to Apelink's symbol to show his fate (or if you wanted to change the final battle, have it that Apelink was possessed like Airrazor and is on the bad guy side, but that's a separate idea entirely)). While this deleted scene doesn't fix everything (does nothing to fix the problems with the human characters), the fact that it not only would have fixed my problems with the movie but also would fix part of what you pointed out with the movie convinces me that the movie would have undeniable been better if this scene was included in the film; something that would be have been a simple fix too.

[@MustafaKhan-hz5mr]

The power dynamics point seems hollow. He gave the example of OP taking on megs, starscream and grindor in Rotf sets the power dynamic. Then by the same logic, the power dynamics can be seen in the bee movie. You have to take into account how many decepticons OP kills there and how Bee kills blizwing,

[@avocadoisdead3218]

i ain't reading allat

[@amazondemon]

another fix would've been to sim)ply cut the human characters

[@GuilhermeM1]

My brother i aint reading allat 💀

[@maxraniel]

I aint reading allat but I agree

[@OpheliaTerat]

I wish they'd gotten Travis Knight to direct again and had Charlie from the Bumblebee movie as the main human character again. Bumblebee felt like it had more passion put into it and Charlie and Bee's friendship was sweet. It feels so weird that they didn't have her be the new Sam. Tbh I also wish they'd just do an adaptation of the IDW comics.

[@mkrnightvee4407]

True enough, but these new human characters didn't even feel like characters. Which is a problem when we spend most of the runtime watching them do shit we could have just had the robots do.

[@Whydoweneedhandles427]

@@mkrnightvee4407How was Noah not a character to you?? Genuinely curious

[@cooljim1376]

Careful, saying Bumblebee was a solid Transfomers film sends the Transformers community into a massive tism fit, especially the Bayformers fans.

[@porsche-sandoesnotundersta8184]

@@Whydoweneedhandles427 Counterquestion, what made them be like characters?

[@porsche-sandoesnotundersta8184]

@@cooljim1376 I'm a Bayformer fan and I loved the Bumble Bee movie. Theres a lot of charm in it that you won't find anywhere else and not only that but the Characters were all entertaining and actually felt like real people a first and maybe last for TF movies.

[@user-yu3dg5ml1z]

Calling this an empty movie is SOOOOO PERFECT😅

[@makatron]

Say whatever you want about Michael Bay, but the man knows how to make an entertaining movie.

[@logicplague2077]

Ehh...first one was OK.

[@makatron]

@@logicplague2077 oh plots were garbage and nonsensical, but for sure entertaining

[@darrelltamba]

Yeah I honestly have more fun watching the first trilogy of transformers than watching this movie

[@logicplague2077]

@@makatron To each their own, I've never had any desire to rewatch the first four, and I didn't bother with the last one. I honestly don't even remember the titles of 3 and 4.

[@logicplague2077]

@@makatron After hearing Optimus say "we will kill them all", I said F this shit I'm out. Literally, first time I've ever left a theater halfway through a movie.

[@LoganSLRLockwood]

I think a lot of the continuity and maguffin questions that arise from this movie are a result of Paramount not being very clear about this not being in the same continuity as the Bayverse movies. There still seems to be some sort of internal indecision on whether they want to move on or not, and this indecision actively hurt this movie and its predecessor as well.

[@shariqhasan6220]

Most probably thanks to Lorenzo, the man tries to bring the Bayverse into the new movies so hard. The beast wars movie was separate and bumblebee sequel was a separate movie but just like in TF5, Lorenzo suggested to combine the scripts and that is how we got ROTB.

[@ibrahime927]

This can't possibly be the same continuity as the Bayverse. In Transformers 2007, Optimus and the other autobots arrived on Earth for the first time, and it wasn't set in 1994 like Rise of the Beasts is.

[@LoganSLRLockwood]

@@ibrahime927 it isn't. Even if you consider TLK destroying the continuity, there are things about ROTB which you just cannot really mental gymnastics your way into connecting to the bayverse. On a purely objective basis, it's a different continuity. Unfortunately, you won't catch Paramount ever explicitly saying that. You have to dig for a fan interview with Steven Caple Jr to find any real proof that ROTB isn't connected to the bayverse.

[@shariqhasan6220]

@@LoganSLRLockwood Agree with you. Although someone needs to talk sense into Lorzenzo. I have never seen any other producer simpping for a franchise as hard as he is doing with the Bayverse.

[@user-zy7lw2zd5j]

@@LoganSLRLockwood That is the worst argument. Bay movies have no solid plot. Every next one retcons the previous one and even within one movie the plot contradicts itself on several occasions. So if new movies were not the part of the old one we could not tell. There is no logic in that.

[@mordredsenpai7513]

I see a lot of people praising this movie and putting it at the top of their list in terms of their favorite transformers movies but like... It was just okay? It really felt like a hollow nothing movie. It was fine and all, but I felt like I didn't really gain anything from watching it.

[@littlealbertagirl]

It was disappointing to put it bluntly

[@mordredsenpai7513]

@@littlealbertagirl I feel like a wet blanket. But it was just so damn boring. Say what you want about the Micahel Bay movies and their terrible lore consistency, among other things, but I was never bored during a Transformers movie until I watched ROTB

[@littlealbertagirl]

@@mordredsenpai7513 i certainly won't argue with you on either of those things (Michael bays terrible lore consistency and tf rotd being incredibly boring). I also have an extremely hard time taking the rotb movie seriously give the unintentional puns, poor story writing, bad acting, and terrible music. And I was definitely not happy when I found out that there where two separate movie scripts that might have actually been good that Steven Caple Jr. decided he didn't like and had them both scraped. (good grief, I think I need to just let this go. I still can't help but be salty about all of this though.) Sorry for the wall of text 😅

[@tempkjahdbkdkwjbxk]

The dumbest shit is the dead transformer turning himself into a power armour for the dude.

[@coolbatfleck9952]

To be honest i believe that rebooting the franchise was the best decision they could've done. I have a soft spot for Bayfomers and i knew that this movie wasn't going to top the epicness or the incredible VFX, music and sound design those movies had, and i love that Michael Bay does as much crazy stuff as he can practically, but even then, i feel like by the 5th one those movies were beyond saving.

[@ngultrum1]

The 4th one was kinda made by pseudo-forcing Bay to make it. The 5th one Bay wanted to make with more heart, but studios pulled a WB VS Zack Snyder on him & fucked him over. This Beast Wars thing was something Bay wanted to do himself. You can even find concept arts on net if you search.

[@rabidshell]

​@ngultrum1 everything of what you just said is complete and total bullshit

[@vexlez6888]

It's no even a reboot anymore this bs is a prequel to tf 2007

[@vexlez6888]

Movie standards have decreased big time no way this movie is good

[@ngultrum1]

@@vexlez6888 Which doesn't even make sense as a prequel cause we see the Autobots come to Earth in the film for the first time.

[@bonzillafilmsgamingsreviews]

For me, this movie & Bumblebee is better than Bayverse Transformers 4 & 5. But in my opinion, the first 3 Transformers movies were better

[@cake_aka_fionnasrolemodelcat]

Agreed

[@g.d.graham2446]

My ranking exactly

[@Random_dud31]

Except for the second one. I mean, it had its cool moments, but it was a real mess

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

I disagree, some of the shit bay put in his movies make them incredibly hard to watch, like the constant innuendos (in a cool robot fight movie) piss jokes, fucking dogs, and lack of interesting characters… I was pretty invested in the human characters in this and bee, and I think a lot of the love for the og trilogy just comes from nostalgia, which I get, I grew up with them too, but I can’t stand watching the bay movies, even the first movie

[@shinndig1293]

2 & 3 still suck, the first one is the only one that aged somewhat well.

[@CIorox_BIeach]

Making Optimus look less weird, and giving him more calm lines would have solved half of what was wrong with the film.

[@itselizauwu]

I love the fights in bayformers way more as when the transformers get hit, it really feels like he’s getting hurt, sparks fly and chunks of metal fall off of Optimus during the 3v1. The choreography of the fights are infinitely more interesting than the newer movie where it just feels like a kid hitting their toys together

[@Diloparker]

And they look like toys too. I get transformers fans wanting the original cartoon designs in the newer movies. But I don’t get why. Even G1 transformers fans will say the original designs were childish. Michael Bay took advantage of the fact that they’re robots that transform into vehicles. So for at least the first three movies, the designs were creative, and intimidating. The new movies are trying to recreate the original cartoon. So we end up with transformers with weird blocky bodies, and uncanny humanoid faces. It’s not f%€king photoshop, it’s CGI you can do whatever you want. Make them look like actual robots.

[@pianoman8029]

​@@Diloparkerthe G1 designs were neglected, bay said it wouldnt work...then Travis Knight proved him wrong. ofc if you translate the cartoon designs to live action down to the atom, it would be ugly....but did Knight do that? No, he honoured the source and made those Iconic designs make sense, Better. Like come on....DOTM Soundwave? theres no way any fan prefers him over the Iconic Soundwave.

[@pianoman8029]

​@@Diloparkerfans dont mind new designs....im sure we all loved the first 3 bay films, but deep down in many TF fans hearts, that scene in 2018 is all they ever wanted to see. Like how marvel fans want to see an accurate depiction of Iron Man, Thor, Captain America. MCU became Big because they knew what their audience wants, to see the lore they love presented on the big screen. TF fans never got that Until recently....

[@pianoman8029]

​​@@Diloparkerits not about the designs being childish, marvel comic designs were childish. Its about how you honour the source, and as much as i love Ironhide, Ratchet, Sideswipe in bay....i still want to see them in the designs and colours that made them Iconic in the first place, like how Mirage is in ROTB, granted hes not an F1 car...but hes head, hes colours, hes character....in 2007, they did it with Jazz and Optimus....so why not do the same with Ironhide and Ratchet

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

Have you ever played a action game that involves giant mechs, but then in said game there is no visual damage done to the mech whatsoever when you hit, or shoot the opponent? That’s how this movie feels with its fights after the first fight. Like mechs with no weight to them that have no visual damage done to them if you hurt them. It’s just missing those RPG damage numbers on the side.

[@blaineadams7484]

The more i see characters like these, the more i think this is how writers see people. No context, no prior life, just what they can see in a moment

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

pretty sad if it's the truth. That could explain why people are so judgmental

[@jjones9822]

All for the sake of “diversity.” No more white heros. Instead, we get the Hispanic main character with the racist white boss(because white people bad) and the non feminine, not very attractive black archeologist girl because of course we can no longer have women being objectified in movies. I mean really, how many black female archeologists do you think actually exist in the real world? I personally don’t care what color the actors are but at least try to make them organic rather than injecting leftwing political ideology and forced diversity. It’s so obvious.

[@dkkanofkash8798]

Most movie critics have really fallen out of grace as of late. Movies are supposed to be entertaining. Is ROTB entertaining? Yes. That means it's a good movie.

[@chadderbug7587]

​@@dkkanofkash8798 Cause pretty much every critic is looking for the next Citizen Kane lmao. They 've critiqued so much that they've forgotten what simple fun is.

[@elgato9o]

@@dkkanofkash8798 is that why this movie made negative money?

[@TammyBoy]

The title of the film was misleading from the start. There weren't much of the beast rising plot-wise. It was more of rise of the *Human and Autobot Alliance*

[@radicularchaos3071]

It’s been human alliances every other movie so I feel the title is fitting

[@junneferluzeytonz]

Yeah and as a beast wars fan i am very dissapointed of what they had done to our poor cheetor and rhinox and the rest of their sad screen time AND THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDED DINOBOT AND RATTRAP GODDAMMIT

[@ea3414]

Finally - Someone else who echoes my thoughts. It is clear this multi-billion $$$ franchise is hopelessly mismanaged. Michael Bay was never the issue

[@bigpunchee]

I was genuinely stoked for this movie at first. It's so sad how many movies these major studios have ruined lately. I remember when the excuse used to be relegated to CGI and technology. These days it's solely laziness on several levels.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

I'm not sure if making transformations seamless and have fight battles is considered 'lazy' as an animator.

[@krenos4493]

@@SLESFMOfficialit’s not the animators who are the problems but the script writers here

[@SLESFMOfficial]

@@krenos4493 There is only so much a few minds can do and be entertaining at the same time. If the script writers have to input over 500,000 people just for the movie to not be watched as much, how would that benefit for everyone who worked hard on the movie altogether?

[@tmac731]

As somebody who is a die hard fan of the Michael Bay Transformers movies, this one put a huge smile on my face. I don’t understand why people don’t like transformers movies

[@thunderwolfwyvern6314]

Honestly, TLK is the only one that deserves to get trashed on. I loved 2007-AoE.

[@tmac731]

@@thunderwolfwyvern6314 same

[@etam8099]

​@@thunderwolfwyvern6314Which is a shame cause the OST and the CGI peaked there

[@kriss3401]

you can't be fucking serious

[@WompaStompaCyn]

Because they were awful and clearly made by people that didn't give a crap about Transformers.

[@TCT24]

There’s one thing I’ll always give credit to Michael Bay. Although his movies were very bad, they had unique style to them. Story, plot, and characters weren’t the best, but *AT LEAST* everything was cool to look at. Set pieces, action sequences, and fight choreography were never a problem with the Bayverse Transformers.

[@ShadowFri3nd]

Yeah, Transformers 3 was a masterpiece of an action movie, every minute something happens, might be a sexy girls or big robots fighting but you never get bored, in fact my favorite Michael Bay movie ever is Bad Boys 2.

[@baishihua]

Right the writing is bad but visuals are sure pretty, it had an identity.

[@nitroplays7024]

ROTB neg diffs oll micheal bay movies about charachters emotion and action

[@iancruz6617]

Sorry first transformers movie I can watch that film and others and it felt like I was there.

[@iancruz6617]

@@ShadowFri3nd pain gain my favorite and it's base in a true story

[@TheBlackAntagonist]

People commonly forget that Michael Bay is a classically trained and seasoned filmmaker who just happens to like making popcorn movies.

[@SurajSinghTomarArya]

Transformers 1 is still the best live action Transformers movie.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

Arrival to Earth is in ROTB.

[@hhfggvogtthehy6451]

I’m genuinely afraid that the Transformer fanchise can never recover from the days of Micheal Bay.💀

[@fn9681]

It wont. Unless Michael Bay returns with Shia Labeouf or someone with a similar screen presence.

[@ShadeDraws]

Bay made Hasbro billions in toy sales. He rejuvenated the franchise in the mid-2000s. Without Bay, there might not be any Transformers at all.

[@CrimsonAzure-fh6yb]

This is a toy franchise and the toys have been really peak for a while now

[@pizzadog6923]

@@fn9681 Shia Labeouf is an abuser, his career is literally dead theres zero chance he's ever coming back

[@she-venom9842]

Bayverse brought Transformers back sure he focused too much on humans scenes but without him and steve the franchise would have died

[@frankg2790]

Rise Of The Beasts has the same flaw as Fantastic Four 2: they introduced the final boss too early. Unicron, like Galactus, is supposed to be a world destroyin' threat that gets everybody to drop everythin', regardless of which side they are on, at the very mention of their name. That kind of antagonist needs to be built up over multiple films, not relegated to the sequel.

[@shanonsnyder9450]

It was clearly tacked on to generate excitement for the movie. I’ve seen a few movies do this post-COVID.

[@PsycheTrance65]

Overall I enjoyed RoTB but I agree that they blew their load too early. And it was such a weird decision to have Maximals but completely ignore Predacons. They should have pushed back the introduction of Unicron/Terrorcons to a later movie and made this more Beast Wars-y with Predacons as the antagonists.

[@illyanesterenko8930]

At least Unicron didn't died in the end like what happened with Galactus.

[@windfire05]

This is probably because Unicron was teased in The Last Knight and we were supposed to get a sequel to it but it was cancelled. So they put Unicron in Rise of the Beasts instead because they probably knew the audience were waiting to see Unicron in the live action movies. Sadly, this idea absolutely ruined the story of ROTB because there was no build up and the biggest threat was already introduced so nothing else that comes after Unicron in the reboot series will be as big and exciting.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

Technically Unicron wasn't the current villain. Remember, the Decepticons are a clear threat if they ever find out the Autobots were hiding on Earth, so in basic terms on Megatron's saying, the Terrorcons are foot soldiers who are nothing more than a taste. Once Megatron gets dealt with, Unicron will return after that.

[@ashurathi9286]

Transformers 1 2 3 were an emotion

[@hitomi8797]

I remember when I went to watch this with my friend, he was confused why there were robot animals and asked me if the entire movie was just going to be them and no Optimus. I personally wouldn’t have minded if they continued the story with cybertron and the war

[@betterlatethannever2156]

The empty feeling you describe is the exact way that I felt after leaving the movie theater but I couldn't understand why. Glad you put it into context 👍

[@argost9029]

What striked me the most wasn't bad writting nor lack of impactfull and personnal stakes, it was the lack of spectacular directing. In Bay's movies Transformers were Always Seen from a human sight perspective, they feeled Big, dangerous and powerfull. In Rise of the beasts I just had the feeling of seeing humans in a CGI suit and the ending with the guy literally having a robot suit was the lack of creativity's climax

[@kennethsatria6607]

And the bots get like seconds of dialogue and are used as background decoration in the last two movies

[@spider-man500]

​@@kennethsatria6607Still MUCH better than this Rise of the Beasts crap.

[@kennethsatria6607]

@@spider-man500 Rose tinted glasses my friend, the only bad thing about ROTB is that they might have started out too strong too soon, it sacrificed the depth of the new characters and longer cgi animations for the run time even as the final product is beloved by TF fans. Though at the same time you see work was done in that direction even if it ended up being cut. Like you cannot compare the level of thought at play when they consider what would be in character for Optimus prime to be like if at this moment he was buckling under his choices as a leader and feeling guilt for failing the people he's supposed to protect. But then also thinking little of humans because he's not made an effort to understand them, and is too fixated on caring for his team on the easily hostile planet. They also managed to preserve the Bayverse Prime's merciless attitude in a better way, in that this is desperation and frustration from repeated failures that makes him reckless and emotional. No shark jumping, no speculation or theories needed you see it in the performance and writing. Its a very humanizing amalgam of past Optimus Primes. one that Peter Cullen deserves too.

[@thejonkler224]

Yeah but in this movies the robots have this neat little thing called a personality. Bay fans aren't a big fan of the titular characters having it for some reason, idk why.

[@fortimusprime]

THIS WAS SOMETHING I NOTICED! There's no spectacle to sell the film! Like, in DOTM we had flying Optimus fighting a giant metal snake in the city! That was enough to sell the movie to anyone. This had nothing you could grasp to sell the film.

[@dylanoshea5065]

Bumblebee dies just for the sake of being removed from the spotlight. Which is just... disrespectful.

[@SniperDog5]

You should’ve talked about the music as well. A Transformers movie is simply not a Transformers movie without Steve Jablonsky; the awe his music created when combined with the stunning visuals is just something special that not a lot of filmmakers can achieve.

[@eiriksundby]

People are way too mean to this movie. This is an extremely competent movie in all regards. This movie really does nothing badly at all. It just doesn't do anything amazingly. It's not deep. But it HAS a story, it HAS characters. It HAS a soul. The characters have a history, which has led them where they are and inform what they want and believe. And then these motivations and goals is what drives the entire narrative of the movie. We're not chasing the mcguffin just because the bad guys want it. We're chasing it because there are personal stakes and goals at play. And we understand why the characters have these goals. Optimus and Noah have an actual dichotomy and go head to head over their conflicting goals and it's actually kinda great at times. The maximals might not be very good characters on their own but the themes they embody are expressed through them. Scourge might be a basic villain but he has a clearly communicated set of behaviors that say something about him. This isn't a deep movie. But people saying it has no substance are unwilling to engage with it. We're in an age where it seems like if you're not a 10/10 movie, you might as well be a 1.

[@alucard3317]

No the movie is terrible and should be called out for that, so that people won’t drop their standard so low. It’s atrocious and doesn’t have anything of substance, and if enough people start to think that garbage like this Is „good“ it will hurt the quality of filmmaking

[@subnoob1553]

@@alucard3317pls explain? Were yu see this movie as “terrible” how abt yu go make sum better then 😂

[@eiriksundby]

@@alucard3317 Why. Why is it terrible. Why does being a 6.5-7/10 mean it's terrible. The characters have motivations. They have a background that informs their motivations. They have relationships to other characters. They have a personal reason why they want to be a part of the plot. The story has themes. It's a competent movie. When did we shift to this mindset that being generally competent is the same as being insulting

[@eiriksundby]

@@subnoob1553 thats not really a fair stance. Movie criticism and movie making are two entirely different fields of expertise. It's fine to not be able to make a movie and still have opinions on the quality of movies. Him not being a film director isn't what you should be debating him on

[@eiriksundby]

@@blendedcircuit479 and that's fine. But for people to say there is no substance to it is admitting that they didn't want to engage with it. It's just bad faith. I don't blame people for being fatigued. I am too. I was heavily critical of this movie before its release but i gave it a shot with an open mind and left feeling more positively about it than i expected.

[@liamphibia]

I believe the real reason why everything in Rise of the Beasts feels empty is because we've seen stuff like this countless times only this time it feels so devoid of excitement and intrigue.

[@Drag0n_Bolt]

Still better than the bayformers to me

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@Drag0n_Bolt It's literally just 'Dark of the Moon' with less action, less transformers, less explosions and less booty.

[@thejonkler224]

​@charlestonjew7587 dog the autobots in dotm BARELY have any screentime. Even Bumblebee doesn't even have that much screen time. What the hell are you on about? I like dotm but Literally so much of it focuses on the humans or generic decepticon drones.

[@wargaurdian6010]

​@@charlestonjew7587wym there is no secret alliance or betrayal in Rise Of The Beast, The literal plot of it all is Optimus wants the transwarp key to get home but now he has to learn how to be a better leader and work with humanity and the maximals Dark Of The Moon is about Prime bringing his old mentor back online just to see him betray him and kill his best friend off. Sentinel wants the Autobots destroyed which he thought they did and now they bring Cybertron to Earth. Bots now must prove they are worthy of Earth and save the humans again. Neither are remotely the same except one is a space bridge only going to present day cybertron while the other is the transwarp key that takes place in a different time and future with unicron coming. You can't compare the first of a trilogy to the finale of a whole different trilogy

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

@@wargaurdian6010 Except you can actually compare them, one is good the other is bad

[@mbogucki1]

I actually didn't feel bored or confused. This was everything I wanted from a Transformers movie. 90s is a great setting, the music was dope, the story was entertaining if not great, things transform, other things blow up. I thought this and Bumblebee are the best Transformer films and glad they did a soft reboot as I can ignore the Triple B films now.

[@costa2794]

They could do it even better if it wasnt for covid and mpc cgi problem, but yea, steven did a really good movie, but hope the next time he can put in work all his ideas

[@animationcon2593]

@mbogucki1 same dude same

[@MrLachapell]

I love Filmento's videos but sometimes you just can't with movies like this, I'm not a big fan of transformers but if I buy a ticket to watch transforme I honestly just want to watch a big CG fight with Optimus prime lol

[@E-Mart74]

I think that the rise of the beast should've been a 2nd installment as we need to much focused on the the main autobots that we're previously introduced in bumblebee, to juggle between the two different groups is pretty hard, and in the movie, the beast is kinda left out sven though there's a lot of scenes that are worthy for the title, but it's not necessarily enough for it, it's somewhat like, the beast are introduced, been forgotten for awhile and again be re-introduced just to fight the final battle, Air Razor was cut short (she doesn't even maximize) and all the "deaths" in the movie kinda not having the impact as it did previously for tf1 (rip jazz) and optimus prime in tf2

[@spinorama29]

This movie was so frustrating. I really want to like it and there are a lot of things i do love about it, but for everything i loved about it there was something i hated. And there were moments i burst out laughing when i dont think i was supposed to laugh.

[@RealGordonFreemanFR]

The deleted Transit scene may help with the Autobot-Deception issue that we did not see in the movie. Just a hunch.

[@Zodiac3107]

No, it ruins the story because Shatter and Dropkick weren't successful in sending out the distress signal in Bumblebee. Hence why it's removed from the final film!

[@Vulpes_Shinbi]

@@Zodiac3107 even though there are 100s of Decepticons scowering the galaxies for the Autobots... and Prime left after the others.. and it's been a few years... and new Autobots keep dropping..

[@thebatman7347]

It does, because it sets up Optimus. This isnt the leader we all know, not yet. It makes sense for his charavter and how he acts. I wouldve kept thw movie exactly as it is but qouldve added that scene right after the introduction of the humans and befor the revelation of the transwarp key

[@thebatman7347]

​@@Zodiac3107optimus in the scene himself states that he led decepticons he could find there. So he could find a way home. Also would make sense since megatron is ruling cybertron by himself and withoutnoptimus he obly worries about lesser autobots. Makes sense in worldbuilding

[@user-df5dg8tf4w]

I might be biased because pf nostalgia but bayverse is THE GOAT

[@littlealbertagirl]

Bayverse transformers was how I was introduced to the franchise, so I'm with you on that. Though I can't help but like 2018 bumblebee the most, as well as being happy that it doesn't tie into the bayverse films. And I can't help but wonder what the transformers bayfilms would be like if the transformers looked like how they did in 2018 bumblebee.

[@marshallhutzler5940]

Also, while other movies establish bots and cons need to scan a new vehical to get a new mode, ROTB essentially says "nope they can just choose to be anything"

[@TinTin-qg4tz]

I don't remember anything like that In the film.

[@marshallhutzler5940]

@@TinTin-qg4tz the scene where mirage offers to let the human sell him. He changes into various differant cars.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

@@marshallhutzler5940 Mirage is the only character who can digitally fabricated his body into anything, such as turn himself invisible or duplicate himself without the use of parts. Holograms, is his specialty. So it's not uncommon to fake his body parts to look like they come from a giant vehicle, as long as he doesn't sell too much he's a robot in disguise.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

​@@marshallhutzler5940 When Mirage gave Noah his parts for an exosuit, in basic terms Mirage gave Noah whatever left is his body to protect his promise no matter the cost. Last ditch effort, but it's something Mirage is specially known for. Optimus is for giving and gaining wisdom. Bumblebee is for scouting and communication to the other Autobots. Arcee is for information detail, stealth, and agility given her size. Mirage is resourceful, using his hologram and his own fabrication abilities to manipulate his parts into any kind of weapon, suit, or vehicle. Wheeljack is known for prosperity, known for information on any kind of technology, knowledge of any ancient history and adapts to any sort of situation or problem in any way possible. Stratosphere is known for his size and transportation, given he can carry the Autobots to whatever destination without being caught seen as aliens.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

"Even the comedy is less." That is quite a statement for a series that featured "Deep Wang!"

[@ajh22895]

Also, the mcguffin is a device that can teleport through space-time. The heroes just leave it in pieces on Earth. They can keep teleporting it away forever.

[@itsjustaline]

Funny enough, Primal in the movie said that because maximal is the spreader of life

[@TH_Sofa]

I know it’s not said in the movie, but conditions seemed to me that there has to be energon in the planet. if there’s no energon then no teleporting, so not an infinite way to run away.

[@meroshango9603]

Honestly for me the 1, 2 and 3 from Michael Bay, are just the best of all transformers, the epic music, the epic battles, the good CGI and those complex transformation and sound design were next level for the film industry in that time

[@ceballos-exe]

1 and 3 I understand, but the second? Really?

[@user-eo2jf7wr8u]

​@@ceballos-exethe 3rd doesn't even connect well with the first 2 movies.

[@ceballos-exe]

@@user-eo2jf7wr8u I know, I'm willing to say the only ones worth a watch are the first movie and the most recent ones like bumblebee. I think you know why I kinda like the third one...

[@user-eo2jf7wr8u]

@@ceballos-exe i guess cause of the cgi. But theres also stuff that didn't make sense in these movies. Like the first one, they just end up picking los angeles as the final battle scene. Instead the autobots should've been on the run with the allspark, tried to hid it in a secret bunker somewhere around the world, away from other humans. Furthermore, theres some scenes where some of the robots are missing like certain parts, or unintact parts. But I kind of agree on you in the third one, it was one of the goodest sequels. But the one that recently came out was awesome. Just that it was a little short cause there was too many deleted scenes.

[@ceballos-exe]

@@user-eo2jf7wr8u yeah, then again, it's a bayformer movie, so it's far from perfect

[@ninjamasterfilms1564]

I still really enjoyed the film, as my mind just made connections of power scaling based on the other movies. while they are either in a different universe, or before the Bay-films, they still help set the tone and strength of the other characters. also, small funny man from Pixels (peter dinkley) playing scourge was amazing.

[@ghouldash9761]

Say what you will about Michael Bay and his Transformers movies, but he had his own unique flavor to the movies he directed and produced. They felt fresh, brand new, and very driven to get the plot moving. There was a lot to take in and look at and they made you feel excited to see what comes next. This... this feels more empty than Fast X.

[@eiriksundby]

It takes like 40 minutes until any significant plot development happens in the first 3 movies. And then we get like 6 minutes of excitement and some exposition, then there's 40 more minutes of meandering until the climax happens out of nowhere and now it's 40 minutes of nonstop action. I never managed to relate to the argument of the bay movies being dumb fun cuz like there hardly is any fun in them. All of them are like 2 and a half hours long but the runtime isn't really spent on action. It's mostly meandering

[@d4slaimless]

@@eiriksundby There was quite a lot of action in those movies. It was just rather action for the sake of action. To show cool explosions and robots fighting. I liked the first two though. It was fun.

[@eiriksundby]

@@d4slaimless the action was heavily backloaded tho. These movies are like 2 hours 40 minutes but there's barely any at all until the third act. The rest is just humans skittering around and screaming in eachothers face how much they hate eachother.

[@smolchungus5647]

"driven to get the plot moving"

[@gerardray1232]

you really saying bayverse is plot-driven? Man I think I watched the wrong movies.

[@california816]

I came out of the movie thinking, “It’s alright. But I don’t need to see it again.” Now I know why.

[@Lazlow007]

As hard it is to say this as a TF fan, I have to agree with some of the things you said. And the more you rewatch it, the more you notice these issues. I was hoping they learned something from Bumblebee 2018 and they just follow that formula with more action...but it feels like diet Bayverse. Funny thing is.... MOST of the issues you mentioned were explained in deleted scenes: - Optimus shows his strength in the deleted opening by Killing a bus Transformer, called Transit. Drags his body and dumps him in the river. - There are more scene(s) with Elena and Airazor. Bonding... and it's sweet. So you care more for Airazor. - And there's the original ending, where Optimus does get sucked up in the portal and in the post credit scene, we see him float inside Unicron. It's not a bad film, but can't top Bumblebee for me. Travis Knight, the director of that film has his own Stop Motion studio, and understands animations. And he puts a lot of hearth in his works. This had that too, but again, on a diet level. And now... we have G.I. Joe, so you know we get even less robot screentime and more focus on the Joes. *sigh*

[@artfulcord]

Honestly, since I'm a fan of transformers, it was easier for me to get into the movie, but man this movie is NOT very informative to newcomers. They should have kept the deleted scene Optimus trashing Transit in the beginning

[@austindenas30]

It may not be perfect but it’s a step in the right direction. Giving the autobots personality, giving them character arcs like optimus, more robot focused fight scenes aswell. You can call this movie a flop, it won’t ever live up to the vfx, music and action of the older ones but fans are happy with this. Transformers fans are more happy about it than film critics because these movies mean so much to us

[@user-vy9mk7um1b]

Fanservice (even in such ways, which is supposed to be good) won't get anything far.

[@tarzantabi7845]

optimus, bumblebee the gorilla bot and mirage are the only autobots to actually have personality and development, the rest are just cannon fodder, just like in the bay movies

[@V1sr.vsp7330]

@@tarzantabi7845at least some bots had character, everyone in the bayverse had no personality except for like Jazz and Crosshairs

[@violetrose8779]

@@tarzantabi7845 there's more movies coming in the future so maybe it will finally focus on the others personalities

[@eddys9311]

This is the comment i looking for, filmento didn't know about this thing, a transformer movie is supposed to focused on transformers not human and it supposed to make the bots with personality and character not just a prop for an action scene, imagine criticize a transformer movie because there's lack of human scene

[@lucca5367]

"0/10 not enough grey blobs with crumbs flying off of them every other second, Michael Bay wasn't here to pay us enough, too faithful to actual transformers projects. 0/10 you can tell this was made for actual TF fans and not for us bayverse fans. The humans had actual purpose rather than talking about the age of consent."

[@deathblade2639]

"10/10 G1 designs, consoom g1 designs"

[@justcause8609]

Is it just me or does Hollywood not know how to right an actual likable female character. I miss the days of badass women in blockbuster movies not just screen candy or know it all’s.

[@Pixel_FX]

Not to be racist but I think this movie was a flop because they hired colored/latino, unknown B/C grade director, cinematographer, composers, actors etc just for diversity points not to make an actual final product or for skills.

[@costa2794]

Thats literally say nothing, they hired a dude who actually knows and likes mostly of the transformers media, not only g1, then he cast as a main lead another tf fan, the composer was a friend of steven, so he got the job, amd also he still did a good music (if you hated the rap parts, blame steven for that, not the composer who just followed the others), also the movie was already written before steven was even chosen as director, so he needed to make changes to the script but still following the original story, which lead to a script where steven couldnt use the maximals at full, and also, the movie was made during covid, which a lot of movies where badly damaged by that

[@TomatrontheOne]

I like this movie overall, but if I hate to berate it, I’d say it’s the movie equivalent of a chocolate Easter egg. The outside is tasty and enjoyable, but as soon as you get to the centre of it there’s absolutely nothing there

[@radicularchaos3071]

Nah there’s definitely something there

[@V1sr.vsp7330]

No you can tell actual care was put into Rotb, the bayverse films felt empty in terms of the bots, sure they looked cool but they felt like empty shells used for fighting, in the new films they actual feel more human, so we can actually understand them and form proper connections

[@radicularchaos3071]

@@V1sr.vsp7330 yeah like if anything the bayverse are the movies that feel hollow and empty with no interesting characters etc.

[@KR-P]

That's so true the fighting felt like it lacked weight and measurable stakes. Even Bumblebee has villains pop humans to at least give us a baseline of their power.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

They aren't really trying to fight. They're just giving a distraction for two humans to escape with the key, or trying to before failing to do so by Scourge. Not to mention they can't even fight Scourge without risking them bargaining the humans' survival for the key.

[@TheeLiteClub-]

The answer why CGI was superior 10 years ago is THE SCALE. Big CGI was used only in certain scenes and was used sparsely otherwise. Today everything from the first minute to the end is heavy CGI, Marvel's Volume and so on. That doesn't give the time to CGI guys to polish everything and still meet their dedlines.

[@moritzspooren1731]

This movie feels as empty as my life

[@VeryPteri]

To me, the most unfortunate aspect of Rise of the Beasts is that nothing feels dramatic. Say what you want about the Bay films, but at least those felt like they had passion representing both in front of and behind the camera. But here, everything just seems emotionless, like it's not trying to make itself special.

[@richardch.4356]

So your saying that the bayfilms had more passion than this and bumblebee nah at in rise of the beast the characters have a personality and in bumblebee the decepticons are not a bunch of generics that die with one shot.

[@NicktheBalla]

​@@richardch.4356Found the G1 meatrider! 😂😂😂

[@richardch.4356]

@@NicktheBalla And here I see a bayverse meatrider

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@@richardch.4356 Disagree. Most of the ROTB characters practically felt like hollow shells. The only exceptions were Optimus and Primal. And the decepticons got destroyed way too easily in BB. Bayverse decepticons were much tougher in comparison.

[@richardch.4356]

Later on bayverse decepticons became cannon fodder you say the characters are hollow but look at bayverse the characters that don't even have personality jolt for example plus in bay the show the characters only to for them disappear with no explanation or reason especially with the dinobots and the only movie in bayverse where the decepticons where actually a problem was the first movie the rest of his movie they where a bunch generics and a joke that fall apart with one shot

[@DFD5097]

After so many transformer movies and reboot, the first trilogy is still the best version for me. Personally i so much prefer the first trilogy design for the transformer, the "transform" thing was so much better in the first trilogy. The fighting also much better the clash between metal, the explosion and contact with the machine feel like was so much better than the next version 4-5 and now. The new movies after the first trilogy the fight for me were to much clean, not much feeling in the fighting.

[@Vhie05]

The amount of times i've seen people call Bayverse a trilogy within the past few months really makes me miss the Bayverse, sure people love to remove 4 and 5 (except the Dinobot charge AOE and Dragonstorm charge TLK which people will still remember), and it's clear that within the trilogy, there was a certain direction to be followed. While ROTF is a big problem, I wouldn't mind if the real trilogy was '07, DOTM, and AOE. DOTM is a basically a better remake of ROTF, and I wish AOE had blended the alien designs with the humanoid designs instead of the latter, emphasized the Transformers overstaying their welcome, and end with the most fitting conclusion, Optimus leaves to chase the Creators). That would be a perfect gateway to a proper second trilogy focusing on the bigger stakes beyond Earth. That would've been a lot better than being left with a cliffhanger that Optimus will go for his Creators in space, only for the plot of TLK to on Earth anyway. I am confident it IS a lot better because ROTF and AOE are TF's biggest missed potentials, with DOTM slightly improving what ROTF failed. TLK didn't really need to exist, but it could exist in a way that isn't how it is right now

[@steakdriven]

The biggest failure was the fact that they didn't get Maurice LeMarche, a man known for his Orson Welles impression, to voice Unicron! Well, that and Wheeljack's design.

[@luciusireckon2469]

One thing I've noticed especially in Transformers two when Optimus was fighting all those deceptions. We also have a sense of scale on how fuckin large they're. Especially one, two, and three, but in the newer non Bay movies I don't have that sense of scale

[@kontrabanned]

Bayverse (the trilogy) was badass, this is just trying to salvage what's left with none of the spirit.

[@iancruz6617]

Yea and action they move so slow and choppy like I want to see that crap

[@radicularchaos3071]

Definitely not this movie was just as cool as the others

[@bantuboi3131]

​@blendedcircuit479 you mean the robot dinosaurs who did absolutely nothing in the movie? They were barely on screen and when they were, they looked like a mass of walking junkyard scrapmetal vaguely in the shape of a t-rex. And again, they did nothing. And we're wasted in the 5th movie.

[@cybersoldierforever]

@@bantuboi3131That is why the Transformers fandom is in a crazy place right now. Some wanted Bay back. His critics think this film is trying to get back to Bay's stuff and not care about what Bumblebee has put in. It is confusing and I don't know if they truly want a good transformers movie or not.

[@thejonkler224]

I mean I think this film is already better because the robots have this neat little thing called a personality. Bay fans seem to not like or care about the titular characters in their franchise having it... for some reason.

[@reddobber3854]

About them being trapped on earth, they could’ve handled that better. Like the original opening scene was about Optimus tracking down a Decepticon named Transit for their ship so that he and others could escape. Imo that would’ve been better than the one with the Maximals

[@costa2794]

Ok, but the movie was suppose to have the maximals in the centre of the story, but thats the problem, they wanted a big movie instead of building this up, like they could do two spin off movies, one about optimus which feels bad for trapping the autobots on earth, and the other with the maximals with unicron as a post credit scene, and then make rotb (different from what we actually got( this is how you build such a movie, but i understand the fear of doing a maximals solo movie, since lets be real, pretty much no one outside of the tf fandom knows the maximals and predacons, so they mighty feared that the movie would underperform, but now they dont have any excuse for not doing a maximals spin off movie since even when they were a side char, a lot of people really liked them, and i think if they pull megatron for the maximal spin off, a lot of people will come to the cinema to see a mechanic trex, like how it was for tf4 with grimlock

[@litgaming2448]

In my opinion the ending just felt empty. Because the cgi was really lacking. Normally the finale felt like a grand spectacle but It felt like a normal average battle with no stakes. I would say though Optimus destroying scourge was epic in my opinion but otherwise the final fight just felt like it was there. I actually felt that the fight at the museum was better because of the night setting allowing the explosions to stand out more. And this is a second problem. That boom is missing. One aspect of what made the final battles of the bay movies feel so grand was the huge explosions and amazing CGI. With the complicated movements of all the characters on screen make them feel more alive. I found the story to be nice but what was missing was the cgi in my opinion.

[@SLESFMOfficial]

CGI is both time consuming and really expensive nowadays. As an animator myself, there's nothing more worse than straying from what the director or producer wants to show on the big screen in concept. Having explosions is also very costly, as of course you have to repair the damage after. Not every producer is as limitless as what we got in 2007, but they did try their best. Honestly, there's nothing more to add, because it'll just ruin the point of the movie. The point being the introduction of the Maximals, and their primary role of siding with the Autobots. Along with that, Optimus' trust and friendship with the humans via Noah and Elena through Optimus Primal. I am not sure if anyone even catches this, but because Elena set off that key's beam up into the sky, that means that beam travels to 'energon-rich planets.' That means the next movie will include the Decepticons including Megatron as a result of finding the Autobots' whereabouts.

[@mm123gchannel9]

I feel like a major reason for the movie failing is that it tried to go too big too early. This is a reboot of Transformers film series, with the only other film connected to it being the smaller scale BubbleBee movie, and the last Bay film before the reboot was the big scale and big flop Transformers the Last Knight, which is only about 6 years old. What I’m getting at here is that rather than letting the brand naturally heal up over time by making several smaller scale movies that a new audience can gravitate to and then build up the big scale blockbuster event, they only made one small scale movie and then the big scale blockbuster not too long after the last major bomb, so the general consensus around Transformers films was not given enough time or reason to want another go with it. It also brings issues to the film itself because it tried to introduce a bunch of new characters but doesn’t have enough time to properly develop them, Bee didn’t need much introduction because we’ve already known who he is by his movie, but other characters besides the human characters and Mirage aren’t given much time to let us care for them because ether the movie didn’t know how to balance them all or it couldn’t possibly develop most of them in one movie.

[@santiago.j.mancilla.perez1022]

Honestly, I liked the movie. And you're right, it does have several flaws, like the Maximals are underdeveloped, the CGI doesn't look great sometimes, the Terrorcons themselves are also underdeveloped, and more. But there are some other elements that are actually good, like the voice acting, the music choices, the score, the CGI, and the direction. Hopefully the next Transformers movie turns out better than ROTB in terms of the writing, the CGI, and character development.

[@TheRysumm]

Plot is rehashed trash.

[@LeonTran]

My thoughts exactly

[@justs_]

I think people who grew up watching G1 Transformers, Beast Wars, or even read the comics or are somewhat familiar with Transformers lore are definitely going to have a much more enjoyable time because other than the Terrorcons, those other medias have done the power scaling and character defining moments for us. But for anyone unfamiliar or completely unaware to the lore of Transformers this will definitely come across as a very hollow movie, I think the problem is guys behind the movie were so focused on fan service that they forgot to write a proper story. Overall I had a good time because I am a Transformers fan but I can see how this can be a snooze fest for anyone else, hopefully their next movie is able to tackle this issue properly.

[@suomynona4420]

Idk, the CGI was kinda lackluster compared to the previous movies.

[@Placeholdername821]

its almost like...its the first proper knightverse movie?

[@the1jah]

I didn't know that MBay wasn't directing this film so I hyped it up for my wife and then I realized half way thru there's no way MBay was directing this... So much source material that they didn't use it was ridiculous. I'm surprised filmento didn't talk about the characters having no purpose as well. Smh. They didnt even put a rat in there... Even the Avengers had a rat..

[@deathblade2639]

Charecters like Stratosphere, Pablo(I'm not calling that cringemobile Wheeljack), Bumblebee, Rhinox, and Cheetor from the movie and absolutely nothing will change other than the model count.

[@EuclideanAl]

Using Happy Joey turning to Concerned Joey at 10:58 is pretty fun, gotta say.

[@brayanarias8448]

I totally agree! When watching this transformer’s movie I felt completely emotionless. Bumblebee dying did not trigger anything because we know he is alive in the movies that are chronologically after this one, and his death felt lame and empty too. The finale was very predictable and basic, that transformers suit the main character got felt fake and weak, unless it was conviniéndole to the plot. Lastly, the characters… Those 2 main human characters were garbage, the lady is literally just there for female empowerment and representation (0 time dedicate in developing her as a character), and the main guy felt like he was the luckiest and dumbest human in that world, where he pretty much says YOLO every time a decision comes up and somehow outruns and outperforms the small “decepticons”. It was overall garbage.

[@ngangamela8043]

😂Guy has military background n fixing the tv makes him gud in electronics so he's fit to gang with giant alien robots n save the planet

[@pilotraptor64]

7:55 Actually we already have the context, it was explained in the previous film, bumblebee, that the autobots are losing the war and need to scatter and regroup on earth to come up with a plan. As for how they got stranded, yeah you have a point, we have no clue but it can be theorized that the pods they used to get to earth are a one way trip just like bumblebees, unlike the maximals or the terrorcons who have proper ships. In one of the deleted scenes (that shouldve never been removed in the first place) its stated that the bots dont have a ship and prime has been hunting decepticons on earth to get a ship, and of course them being trapped causes obvious problems and pains as without the bots, the decepticons have full control of cybertron for far longer than what prime planned and are killing the remaining autobots who never escaped.

[@alobaymar]

Nobody watched Bumblebee

[@SLESFMOfficial]

@@alobaymar Then that fault wasn't on the producers then. If the people keep neglecting to watch movies and cry about context on the next movie, we just disrespected their offering about the Transformers overall. Probably going to stop if this keeps up.

[@RPGgrenade]

I can understand referring to it as a commercial failure, but it is exactly the kind of movie transformers fans have been clamoring for ever since the first one Michael Bay made. I genuinely really liked this movie compared to all the others because it wasn't TRYING to be all things at once, with extreme pointless bombast all over the place. I could've had less human characters overall and been happy with it but they made the interactions very true to the characters, and seeing the maximals in literally anything was a treat. Personally don't understand the hate the movie got.

[@chill7056]

Same

[@cahe6161]

Well as a Transformers fan I want a truly well written movie and the human characters presence to the absolute minimum if any, and this movie wan't that

[@kennethsatria6607]

I stand by this, finally Optimus has the character writing he deserved especially after AOE and TLK and the other bots have greater presence, this was great for what amounted to be baby steps into a new movie generation

[@benjamingeorge8241]

@@cahe6161 Yeah, can we finally have a Transformers film that focuses only on the Transformers? This is like watching a Kaiju film and time being wasted on human plot.

[@christopherwashi]

Same and I actually liked the main human character. There could have been more maximals and more from the bots like Arcee. But it's not bad. Made me go watch the G1 movie for the first time.

[@lavoroxan8114]

That Optimus sacrifice thing reminds me of the scene in Transformers 4, where Optimus is quickscoped through the chest in slow mo on the highway. And then literally nothing comes of it. There's not even a visible exit wound.

[@CraigTheBrute838]

Bumblebee is a reboot and Rise of The Beasts is a sequel to bumblebee, so there’s only one McMuffin in the universe as far as we know

[@zohircherifi5616]

Why didn't they give this one to Travis Night who made Bumblebee

[@HeoBaby24]

Because Travis didn't want to. And did we forget that Peter said that he didn't like how he was treated doing bumblebee

[@cvrriculum1322]

@@HeoBaby24studio cut costs not really knights fault but sucks what they did

[@HeoBaby24]

@@cvrriculum1322 but it is. How are you going to have someone else already record lines and then get Peter to come and re-record them to match the lines already made. Just to "cut cost" it is his fault he's the director

[@cvrriculum1322]

@@HeoBaby24 in the grand scale he doesn't really have control over that the studio holds all the power. Doubt travis would do that with a bigger budget like rotbs

[@cvrriculum1322]

The blames fully on hasbro for screwing him over they were just being cheap aholes for no reason

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

The fact that filmento called Sam a better character than Noah made me want to cry 😭

[@raydhen8840]

Fr. I relate a lot to first few minutes of Noah trying to get a job compared to Sam doing the same in DOTM because the former didnt played it like a joke and even has urgency behind it.

[@Vermillion_]

Bro called a stupid Gaudy coomer better than an actual protagonist

[@princen632]

@@Vermillion_ idk maybe because the coomer has more personality that makes him more human than the protagonist that wants to save the world just because

[@nicoary3677]

indeed, better character =/= better main character Noah is a better character since he more grown up but, Sam is better main character since the plot driven him to it (his grandfather glasses) not because "oh i have to fight because the writer said so"

[@Vermillion_]

@@nicoary3677 true true, altough i still don't get how pepole could like Sam more on some regards

[@birumerah2896]

thank god scourge doesn't use his claw to destroy bee like he destroy the old gorilla eh ? instead he just stabbed bee and claim the autobot logo