Venom 2: Let There Be... Something

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Do you know of any tours with those basket weaving histories?

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

I see the biggest plot-hole of all. Venom wants to sustain himself - understandably. But his Human wants to stop him. Have not watched the Movie but... ... is his Host-body not affected? Is the Human not starving? Cause if not, that is a major plot-hole.

[@Hotrodimusprime]

Dispite my distaste for mainstream marvel movies. LTBC just offered nothing new and killed off a classic villain just for the sake of the good guy won.

[@thecompareablezombie]

Imagine in a world where we had 4 Amazing spiderman movies or 6 Sam Rami Spiderman movies.

[@ne3856]

@@thecompareablezombie If we got any more Rami movies, my heart would crumble with joy

[@youngishjon2326]

The Venom films really should have a more mature age rating to fit the character and stories they want to tell. It could really improve their quality.

[@DaveMan1K]

Not sure how bad the rating system in America is, but here in the UK, both Venom movies are rated 15 (essentially our version of R).

[@TrueCarthaginian]

Different writers, director, and studio would also do wonders.

[@TheSt1092]

But then he can't cross over with Spider-Man which is what Sony want eventually.

[@damianstarks3338]

Agree with you here but I still like venom.

[@seankock7649]

You do know gore isnt all what vemon is He has more goofy stories then gore stories

[@frocat5163]

"Yeah, that was a movie." - Probably the most accurate review of 99% of the movies produced over the past 10 years.

[@whatsgwarnin3450]

especially this one

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

There are 2 movies released every single day on average per year. Maybe watch other than the companies you claim to hate so much??…🤔 cause I guarantee you it’s not even close to 99%

[@thevlaka]

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 nope. Theyre right

[@megasystem8473]

“Duh all new movies suck cuz I don’t actually look beyond the same 3 franchises”

[@krecikowi]

I just watch new Dune, and yes it was movie. It was not amazing movie, but I actually enjoyed it! I only missed some type of chemistry in the movie. It was little... BLA. Really.

[@ZimaSKratkuMajicu]

"Member when Venom was teased and we thought it would be an R-rated horror?" "Ooooh, I member!"

[@brandname6]

Underrated comment

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Yep. Giving a Venom series the PG-13 limit is like taking a Ferrari and putting a block of wood under the gas pedal.

[@darkaoshi27]

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@hanburgundy4317]

"Member when we grew up with Venom and Carnage in comic books and children's cartoons and then for some reason convinced ourselves that PG-13 is too childish for Venom?" "Um..." "I mean, stomping in people's faces, eating preachers, and killing folks non-stop is just too childish, amiright?" "..."

[@s3an_of_the_d3ad53]

Yeah. Sonny would’ve only done that if they actually wanted to make a good movie for once lol

[@marklowther3228]

Spot on, mate. I really liked how Shriek, who had been locked up since childhood, can drive a sports car like Mario Andretti.

[@och70]

Because she's a stunning and brave wOmAn oF CoLoR, and for no other reason.

[@brandonscott9747]

@@SuperSpectrom Seriously? Have you been living under a rock for the last decade?

[@divinecomedian2]

@@SuperSpectrom did you read the OP? Dude explains why it's ridiculous that she knows how to drive so well

[@mauricealexander1981]

Was thinking the same thing at that scene

[@slygreenbloom8226]

Kind of like how the joker was video taped at a dodgy nightclub in the joker movie...that we all loved...cause massive tv camera would be there for some reason? Don't overthink yourself into hating something you intially liked.

[@MasterChibi]

"We want to eat your brains" - Agreed Venom, agreed.

[@russian_knight]

You should never eat brains those fucking things can contain a lot to diseases especially when consumed And I would know about those types of things, Believe That

[@jayegeecorporate8788]

No film was more of reliable cookie cutter superhero movie than Black Panther. Still dont understand how its soo beloved

[@thebatman4279]

@@jayegeecorporate8788 We all know the reason why... 😏

[@Delimon007]

@@jayegeecorporate8788 WAKANDA FOREVER! Seriously though some delusional people thought that shit was real 😂

[@jamescannon4186]

Carnage can’t be separated from Cletus in the comics since they are bonded through his blood. Also, they ARE a perfect match, I always viewed Carnage as being pretty much CKs subconscious mixed with the symbiote, which is why it’s so absolutely insane.

[@marcgonzalez9690]

Yeah this carnage was only visually correct.

[@DyneTyrreal]

@unspeakable Flame 2 I had fun with it, I am looking forward to the sequel and eventual sony spiderverse.

[@jeffreyali1456]

@Idk__ that’s your problem cause there are worse movies out there

[@jeffreyali1456]

@Idk__ you want giant disappointment, look at the last Jedi or rise of sky walker over even ghostbusters 2016 and more. I’ll admit though that given carnage’s character. This needed to be rated R and much longer. Plus cletus and carnage were much more bonded in the comics and more. It’s far from amazing, but it’s not the worst thing in the world so relax

[@xL0stKIlah]

@unspeakable Flame 2 of course. Are you actually defending this garbage lol

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

“A bigger contradiction in terms than referring to James Corden as an entertainer” made me laugh harder than Jonah Jameson in Spider Man 3 😂

[@Lelldorin84]

He looks like a pervert. I can't believe he is married to a woman.

[@taunteratwill1787]

@Alessia Reported. 😎

[@mvprhino9733]

I can't like this comment enough - the rabbit hole about how many celebs hate James is a glorious adventure to partake in.

[@alexman378]

That was in Spider-Man 2.

[@LifesGuardian]

@Alessia Pathetic.

[@DamienBlade]

It slightly confused me how Venom can take over Eddie's hands and draw what was on Cletus's walls perfectly in seconds with robotic accuracy, but can't seem to make an omelet without destroying the kitchen.

[@miqueel5410]

Mandated marvel comedy moment

[@Nickle_King]

To be fair, I know people like that.

[@darwinxavier3516]

Venom was trying to cook multiple things from halfway across the apartment without even really "looking" most of that time. That's still pretty decent coordination. Those drawings were right in front of both of them and were done one at a time.

[@grunt1688]

Maybe he just likes the destruction

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Venom is clearly an artist and not a chef.

[@nicoleb7106]

About Shriek, throughout the whole movie I was wondering how she got her powers and why it was never explained and also why no one else with non-extraterrestrial powers were introduced or even mentioned.

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

I read the comics and I have no idea how she could do all that. Don't blame the movie, the comics were just as ambiguous.

[@hanburgundy4317]

They literally stated in the movie that her powers come from "mutations", and then they send her to Ravencroft. It's HEAVILY implied she's a mutant, but y'all don't pay attention to dialogue just so you can complain later lmao

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

@@hanburgundy4317 I haven't seen the movie yet. Let's be honest, movies today gloss over important details.

[@dasillosa]

@@hanburgundy4317 This hits on the spot. People watch the movie while looking at their phones and then complain that the story skipped details.

[@marcgonzalez9690]

@@hanburgundy4317 heavily, vaguely implied. Yes. I caught that, but even still, her treatment was extremely vague.

[@Laxhoop]

It just confused me what they did with Carnage and Cassidy in this movie. In the comics, they’re a major threat because they’re actually far more compatible than Venom or anyone he’s ever bonded with. They’re so compatible, that Carnage has bonded to Cassidy’s blood, rather than his muscles or flesh, like most other symbiotes, making it far harder to remove Carnage from Cassidy, if not impossible to do so. It’s an integral part of Carnage’s character that Cassidy completes him, and that Cassidy feels the same way. While in the other hand, Venom and Eddy are always fighting, with Venom only keeping Brock on his side, because they both hate Spider-Man. In fact, the comics even have a point where Venom was bonded to Flash Thompson for a while, yeah, Spider-Man’s bully. And Venom was actually so unsure of whether or not he preferred Flash or Eddy, that he split himself in two, because he just couldn’t decide. Meanwhile, these Venom movies completely flip this on its head, suggesting that Venom and Eddy are actually far more compatible than Carnage and Cassidy, which makes the dynamic between all 4, far less interesting, since the hero’s don’t have to fight against a far better duo. The movie even goes as far as making Carnage far larger than Venom, when in every other incarnation, Carnage is less than half the size of Venom. It’s all surface level stuff, to make Carnage seem intimidating and more lethal than Venom, when they’ve undermined the **actual** reasons for why Carnage should be more lethal than Venom. Of course, the movies can’t go the route of having Eddy and Venom not be perfectly compatible. There is no Flash Thompson for Venom to become conflicted by, not even in the MCU, which, according to the ending of Venom 2, Venom is now officially a part of. So why bother having the interesting dynamic, where they have to put their differences aside, if everything that’s been established, will never give either of them any real challenge in that regard? Why put in the effort, if there’s no way to show that work to the audience? Modern movie making, and especially superhero movies, in a nutshell. Anyways, I’ve rambled long enough. No one is going to read all of this. Goodbye.

[@Zeburaman2005]

So that’s why Carnage always uses _I_ when referring to himself, whereas Venom invariably uses _we_ ! I’ve always thought it was just a way to show how big of a nutcase Cassidy was, yet I had never made that connection with the much closer symbiote bonding process than with Eddy.

[@DaScorpionSting]

Yeah I really didn't like the bonding they did in this movie

[@darunealbane]

I stopped watching mcu movies about 6-10 yrs ago due to my disappointment in how the chars are done

[@webbedshadow2601]

I AGREE, I haven't read much of Carnage at all BUT EVEN I KNOW that the Carnage symbiote is supposed to perfectly bond with Cletus Kassidy to the point they are basically the same personality unlike Eddie and Venom, they screwed up by having Cletus fight with Carnage at the end...Cletus also didn't feel enough like a psychopath in this movie.

[@ripghotihook]

Definitely good insight to the characters.

[@brauliozt8754]

When they introduced Shriek I inmediatly thought: "So her power is screaming very loud, and loud sounds are one of symbiotes' weaknesses... she's going to be the downfall of Carnage, right?"

[@thatperformer3879]

Nah she’s just a diversity hire.

[@kek397]

Someone for the the target audience to relate to

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Nah she's there purely so a dozen fans can go 'oh look who it is'. And that's it.

[@erebusvonmori8050]

@@MrMisanthrope84 Now I feel bad. I was one of those fans.

[@GoldenWolf115]

@@MrMisanthrope84 who cares? The real problem is that's the ONLY reason she was there. I hated this movie.

[@jordanrich5839]

I'm amazed at how much I've come to loath CGI usage in film. I used to be so excited to see the latest blockbuster, with the best visuals yet, but now I find myself looking for handmade set pieces instead. I watch the first LOTR last night and said to someone next to me that, "This movie is timeless." The use of real sets ,coupled with tasteful CGI usage, allows the movie to be viewed 50 years from now and still look good. So many of the movies that are being released now have no desire to be timeless classic, but instead want to be the new shiny thing.

[@sindhusekar1]

‘Cassidy’s about as compelling as a three day seminar on history of basket weaving ‘ 😂😂😂

[@babelhuber3449]

...on the outer Hebrides 😉

[@hellishhybrid1839]

How the hell do you make a serial killer who is so insane and uncontrollable that the alien symbiote attached to his body actively wants off and is kept there through sheer force of will boring? How? That shouldn't even be possible.

[@skobywankenobi]

If its Mongolian basket weaving, I know a good resource for that frenz

[@CassCream]

Wow, I don't even know you like that bro.

[@KE-yq2eg]

I'd love to learn basket weaving

[@MrJeffcoley1]

I saw the previews for Venom: Let There Be Carnage, and I knew it was going to be a silly, lightweight, ridiculous movie. My expectations were met.

[@thesimpledude186]

man the darkness surrounding carnage was just absent you know? carnage didn't feel carnage

[@shmosel_]

Sometimes you just want ramen.

[@off-meta-michael]

Yea, it sucked. The 20 second end credits scene was the most interesting part of the movie.

[@darthmalagus]

@@thesimpledude186 Cassidy is what didn't feel right for me. I thought Carnage itself was pretty spot on. But instead of a psycho murderer we got some weird tragic villain love story that doesn't go with the character at all.

[@darthmalagus]

@@off-meta-michael eh, the fight was cool at least. I didn't expect much in way of the story but it'd probably help if they didn't recycle the "Venom and Eddie aren't getting along" BS from the first film.

[@benhagstrom2185]

Carnage was always the coolest character that they've never been able to bring out of the comics well. Even the old cartoon series didn't do enough with him. He could be Marvel's Joker if only someone could get him right.

[@skorpion7132]

I get what you're trying to say. On the instance of being savage and all about causing chaos, they share something there. But Joker wouldn't hold a candle to Carnage even if he tried. nevertheless, imagining if the symbiote would fit with the joker as well as with CK would be funny.

[@Flcracker921]

The '94 Animated series could only do so much due to it being a Saturday morning kids show I think they did a much better job than all the other illustrations or this live action peice of 💩

[@Tokmurok]

​@@Flcracker92190s TV show did way more than it had to

[@Flcracker921]

@Tokmurok these LA have done SERIOUS disservices to these characters

[@Flcracker921]

@@Tokmurok Hate that it ended on a cliffhanger like Unlimited

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

The problem with Venom is that they are trying to go for the edgy anti-hero who is morally questionable but don't want to fully commit to it. In an alternate timeline we could've gotten something like the Joker, where a sympathetic villain goes down the road of darkness. Growing from a pushover weakling to someone with some backbone and perhaps going too far in some places, before just embracing it. They clearly don't want to commit to either one and might have been forced to shovel in the regular film filling that makes the world and characters pretty interchangeable. The love interest, the evil organisation, the bad guy who wants to harness the aliens for their own game, etc. All stuff that exists and is serviceable, for a plot, but won't surprise.

[@DiggitySlice]

You know these are based on comics, right?

[@mkocel]

@@DiggitySlice thats no excuse for shitty writing. the talent is in the translation and thats their ONE JOB.

[@pink-_-621]

@@DiggitySlice Loosely based on the comics, they pick and choose aspects from the comics. Though if they'd just go off the comics completely then venom movies would improve.

[@7thwardlord181]

I legit have no ides what tf u talkimg about but it sounds like some nerd shit

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

@Krystian Zięba the ones that had spiderman in them, which this venom doesnt

[@vangoghsseveredear]

Yknow, the shitty thing about stuff like this is companies go "oh well clearly they don't like Venom", instead of going "our story sucked, was boring and uninspired, and people are absolutely sick of boring and uninspired stories that don't take risks".

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Your comment is completely truthful, and I wished that Studios Executives would listen to more people like you.

[@RyoMassaki]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Doesn't work, because the reason why they can't or won't listen to the potential audience is the same reason for why the movie sucks in the first place. They are stupid, they don't know their audience AND the source material and they are so arrogant to believe that they actually do know - the perfect storm of Dunning & Kruger effect mixed with arrogance.

[@Diree]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Sadly, that's not how the world works. People want to believe what they want to believe and never see how THEY screwed it up.

[@davidpalmisano5115]

Maybe they should've just followed the comic books instead of completely ignoring them. Lol

[@muhammedraashid3667]

@@davidpalmisano5115 venom is a goofy antihero in comic too apart from the few violent first issues. What the fuck are you talking about?!

[@jyidorne8042]

This should tell enough: I watched this movie, then completely forgot I had watched it until I saw this video. And now I'm struggling to remember almost any details from the movie.

[@loganmurdock4679]

I couldn't even finish the movie..It was way too much icing and not enough cake for me

[@DeeplineStyle]

@Idk__ouch

[@TY-km8hj]

@Idk__ nowadays I avoid getting fried to watch films that I'm excited for but I really wish I watched this high so I could've switched off and enjoyed it a bit more. Its so fucking mediocre it hurts

[@Hamsterfishindustries]

They cast Mickey Knox to be carnage. That was perfect. Then, they stripped away every single thing that made that character work, neutered the script and made it a kids movie. That was dumb as fuck.

[@Smitty-hr2mg]

Agreed. I would have loved to see Carnage break out of prison, and slowly pick Eddie apart by hunting down everyone and everything he ever cared about to torture him before eventually killing him. And of course, leaving in his wake... a trail of... carnage. Meanwhile, Eddie and venom must solve some sort of race against time mystery to beat Carnage to the punch and take him down before he could finish his work. But you can't do a great story like that and walk away with a PG-13 rating. Man, I wish producers had some balls.

[@Amrah75]

NBKs a movie that changed Woody forever and then we get this. 😑

[@lithuaniaball]

@@Dave-rd6sp you people are so self obsessed, literal alien organisms that struggle with basic concepts have to be interested in what's in your pants. how pathetic.

[@yustooopid7090]

If there was ever a Marvel character perfectly suited to a straight up R rated horror film, it's Venom. Instead they made a PG13 slapstick comedy. Bland about sums it up.

[@cubethepixel3025]

What about spawn

[@Ithoughtthiswasamerica]

@@cubethepixel3025 spawn isn’t marvel

[@Сайтамен]

I heard they made Punisher pretty hardcore in Daredevil and his show.

[@cr0ssfiregaming795]

This is how venom is supposed to be. It's really only his newer comics that are darker and more r rated.

[@naamari]

Carnage, Kilgrave, Bullseye and Jigsaw are some of the most diabolical and insane Marvel villains (IMO). Luckily at least the last three got good TV-shows to compliment them.

[@Naomi.Robertson]

Don't lose your hardcore The Event Horizon audience. We need the Sam Neill meme to be shown once in every episode. You're one of us and you always will be.

[@randomunavailable]

Ahhhh!! AHHHHHH!!!!!

[@DefineHatespeech]

That meme cannot die, we won’t allow it

[@markrichards7377]

I haven't seen this yet but he nailed the first movie to the ground in his summary. Plus, "It says a lot about the state of cinema today that 'reliable' and 'cookie cutter' have somehow become ringing endorsements" is poetry.

[@nunyabusiness7477]

@@Dave-rd6sp going woke isn't taking chances it's following whatever you want to call the narrative or trend of the day. Movies should be an escape from the reality of everyday life, not a reminder. No it's not the same as or even necessary to try and stay relevant or in touch with times.

[@risingdoom]

@@Dave-rd6sp what comments?

[@risingdoom]

@@Dave-rd6sp how the fuck that is a love story? It's just so weird

[@markrichards7377]

@@Dave-rd6sp I had no idea Venom has gone woke. That's a shame.

[@heraldofwar]

Making the Venom films PG 13 is right up there with big brain decisions like George Lucas selling Star Wars to Disney and casting Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther!

[@lordjimbo2]

brrrrr eisenluthor was a train wreck

[@glebbokhan9777]

Hey, Lucas probably got billions on that deal! While PG-13 Venom.... yeah And Eisenberg's Lex Luther is not something a gentleman brings up at the dinner table

[@TheLoraxshadenough]

Yeah, both movies should have gone for a mature rating instead of the PG-13 rating. It feels like the studio wanted to lean Venom like Deadpool in terms of gore but the corporate heads and shareholders decided that a lower rating can bring in a larger audience.

[@ravinathdev]

Sorry but Jessys lex was amazing and I liked it

[@shen5533]

@@ravinathdev for you.

[@SaitohYatate]

When I was a kid, I always dreamed about "Maximum Carnage", back then my favorite crossover of all time, having a live action adaptation. But now, I find myself hoping that it never happens, and the execs at Hollyweird have a change of heart and focus on something new and innovative.

[@henriklarssen1331]

Ah damn Maximum Carnage was by far my favorite Comic Arc as a Teenager. Dead Bodies everywhere a huge Battle between tons of cool Heroes and Villains and on top of that the ebst threesome in Comic History with Venom, Carnage and Spidy. Spider-Man 3 already killed my first big hope for a good Maximum Carnage adaptation with that tiny ghoul like Venom. Then Venom 1 killed my second hope for that, i didnt even watched it. And yeah listening to this here kills the last bit of hope. I know adult movies and marvel dont go well together and a huge cast with the likes of the Fantastic Four, Captain America and so on isnt easy to do and most likely would take 2-3 Movies. But at least a smaller Version of that would be great. Ah whatever iam pretty much done with Comic Movies anyways, but cool to see another Maximum Carnage enjoyer. =)

[@richardrichard688]

Well this film was... kind of Maximum Carnage if it was short, shit and had most the characters missing including Spider-Man. I kind of wanted the Green Jelly song at the end when I went in but by the time the credits came around, I didn't want the song wasted on this turd. The villains are killed off so a proper MC can't happen.

[@kuroxiii9481]

@@richardrichard688 I feel Absolute Carnage can happen, since it literally has Carnage reshaping his head, and they've said they want Grendel for 3

[@richardrichard688]

@@kuroxiii9481 I'm not familiar with that story.

[@kuroxiii9481]

@@richardrichard688 Been a few months since I read it so cliffnotes is Cletus comes back again, this time connected to Knull (the Klyntar hivemind mentioned in the post credits) and twists a bunch of heroes kills a bunch of people, standard fare. Also with Venom all but confirmed for No Way Home we could get a better Red Goblin. Also Grendel is Knull's pet dragon iirc

[@DoktahDoktah]

My favorite part was "Venom 2 pushes PG13 to the very limits." That's still PG13.

[@duncanwade1026]

I was really expecting Venom to be R rated. Kinda disappointed it didn't go above and beyond, as I'd imagine Venom to be excessively violent and bloodthirsty.

[@KhanMann66]

If this were 10 years ago you bet it be bloodier.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@KhanMann66 , Flashpoint and Under the Red Hood are hard PG-13 rated films whereas films like Venom and Let There Be Carnage are both soft PG-13 rated films, so honestly if Sony wasn’t going to make Venom and Let There Be Carnage then they shouldn’t have gone for a soft PG-13 film and went for a hard PG-13 film like Flashpoint and Under the Red Hood.

[@georgesikorski9891]

It doesn't even though

[@Bread-fl8vm]

Man i just saw Dune 2 and couldn't believe that got away with a PG-13 rating. They could have done way better

[@johnlochness]

"Let There Be Carnage" sounds like Hollywood short-hand for "We're all out of original ideas so we spent more money on long CGI fight sequences".

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

But they didn’t even do that all we got is 1 REAL fight lmao they actually tried to do the opposite and did the more personal story which made zero sense and was cringey at best. god going through this corner of fandoms comments can’t even get the hate wrong anymore. Just hate for hates sake. And I hate this movie more than anyone. But god damn the bigger these creators get the more they become the very thing they claim to be against lol

[@theunknown2682]

Here’s my take: Eternals: well that’s 3 hours of my life I’ll never get back Venom 2: Well that’s 2 hours of my life I had nothing better to do with

[@LRR001]

Idk venom 2 was like a 2/10 Eternals was like 9.5/10

[@jacoblangdon7333]

@@LRR001 you flipped your titles on accident

[@LRR001]

@@jacoblangdon7333 na kid, eternals was a masterpiece

[@jacoblangdon7333]

@@LRR001 Kumail Nanjiani was the only saving grace in the movie. It crashed and burned almost immediately after he left

[@LRR001]

@@jacoblangdon7333 no he wasn't, he was trash.

[@SheldonAdama17]

The MCU Spider-Man movies never really did it for me. Spider-Man feels less special when he’s merely “a hero among heroes” and his tech was basically given to him by someone else.

[@floridafool]

And that's we call him Iron Boy.

[@CS_GOD64]

Facts. He was a genius in the comics and in the early animated tv shows.... And he just got turned into Tony Stark's side project. That's why Ps4's Spider-Man is better. It shows you that Peter is a genius who can build his own tech while being a badass.

[@FivesCT-mn1is]

@@floridafool and its not funny anymore....

[@fransesco97]

Hes the best spider man though

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

@@FivesCT-mn1is cope

[@MrMisanthrope84]

The reason why Tom Hardy needs the Venom suit is to heal his broken back from carrying this franchise on his own. It's also frankly bizarre to see Stephen Graham in a movie about CGI liquid aliens knocking the tar out of each other.

[@in4mus85]

@linkuei83 Oh I'm not sure about that one. He was awesome in this is England as well

[@J64866]

Hardy is terrible as Eddie.

[@f1ibraaa]

@@J64866 unpopular opinion i think but I definitely agree. The writers made it a joke

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

Really ironic to say that Hardy has a broken back.

[@geronimogerardot]

I'm probably alone in this sentiment but a basket weaving class in the Outer Hebrides sounds pretty damn peaceful.

[@justforever96]

Hey I could dig that.

[@LittleMopeHead]

"Unfortunately none of the new hosts are compatible with him and he ends up burning through them quicker than Kathleen Kennedy burns through directors who demonstrate a shred of individual creativity." 👏

[@aleusgaming9482]

I want a venom that the first two trailers promised. A dark, mature and violent take on everyone’s favorite symbiote. I want the horror movie esque tone the teaser hinted at

[@why8298]

You’d have to make venom a full blown villain for that to happen, and he just isn’t that.

[@aleusgaming9482]

@@why8298 not quite, it is possible to create a character that you care about while also making them this terrifying unstoppable force. Someone you really don’t wanna fuck with.

[@Xingmey]

I just want marvel movies to end.... no one needs venom or whatever

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

That would take creativity and a willingness to take chances. So no chance in hell of that happening.

[@kinggigan6044]

This being an hour and thirty seven minute movie makes everything happen so quickly, so when things do slow down it's brief and mostly played for comedy. A longer runtime could have helped ease that rushed feeling I had when I left the theater.

[@darrenorange2982]

The church is a reference to the comic books, also it has a large bell. This is typical story point for Venom related stories, it was not just tossed in randomly it's taken from the source.

[@darrenorange2982]

@@Dave-rd6sp I'm just making a general statement.

[@dynamite_dynamite5954]

@@Dave-rd6sp are they gay in in original source material?

[@nestormelendez9005]

@@dynamite_dynamite5954 " I'm coming out of the eddy closet" Awkwardly clapped

[@khahinmetameta7826]

Spiderman got rid of the symbiote by using the church bells, venom tried to kill spiderman using a church bell.

[@dynamite_dynamite5954]

@@Dave-rd6sp ahh semantics... good day day sir

[@ghosthunter7496]

That scene near the end, where Venom is holding on to his girlfriend, stopping her from falling, while Carnage is trying to kill him, that was straight up the climax from The Amazing Spider-Man 2!!

[@fallenwolf3368]

I thought for sure there was gonna be a neck broken.

[@ash-gr3gr]

but amazing spiderman scene was visually and cinematic epic

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@@ash-gr3gr Lol. that scene was the only good part

[@corriblehunt4554]

Stephen Graham is my favourite actor. I get excited to watch anything he's in. When I saw him pop up in Venom 2, I was so happy. Then very sad.

[@CorporalFriendlyShark]

Drinker sounding less drunk these days, which is surprising considering the film industry’s continued descent down the metaphorical toilet.

[@hankdedalus]

Maybe some movies are so bad they make him sober.

[@zoeadkins9095]

Maybe his tolerance is reaching Adamantium levels. Might become The Critical Snorter soon enough.

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

You sure it's only the "metaphorical"

[@markparkinson6947]

I guess Dune helped his sobriety.

[@markparkinson6947]

But honestly, I’m just glad that good movies are still being made.

[@keith3106]

At this point, any movie who doesn't carries "the message" is a masterpiece to me

[@CuT7yFlaM]

Yeah but they're kinda boring still. Venom 1 & 2 could be really interesting as other comments mentioned, there's plenty of room for interesting arcs and source material to use to make really strong movies, adult ones at that. This one is so family friendly that a SERIAL KILLER that ESCAPES PRISON with a MANEATING ALIEN SYMBIOTE doesn't leave a single drop of blood. It's ridiculous how the contradiction between what they try to tell you and what you see doesn't seem to bother some. I don't usually nitpick like that but gotta say it's disappointing to still hope for anything remotely good at this point. But I agree that not having "the message" is like picking a 4 leaves clover lately.

[@JonathanGaeta]

Still better than Eternals

[@zenituragaming5043]

Ikr those kinds of movies are literally leftist white male genocide WTF sjw propaganda

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

Then you’re part of the problem. You’re just asking for shit as along as it’s not woke. It’s still shit regardless. We should be having BETTER standards, not WORSE. Wtf?!

[@tartrazine5]

The movie was about the value of a quasi-gay relationship so it kind of carried "the message".

[@franacha]

God I despise when a movie end with a established relationship only for the sequel to come and show it broken

[@arcdecibel9986]

Fun Fact: If Venom was actually comprised of cells small enough to breach out of his host without doing damage and could move around that fast, he would also set his host on fire from friction heat alone.

[@nah_man78]

Thank you for this piece of knowledge, stranger. I applaud you for the laugh you've given me.

[@d.tsukuyomi1869]

Then Venom would die or at least be severely injured because fire is one of his weaknesses.

[@Noperare]

How Venom volume works in the movie always bothered me, I dont mind that he is basically liquid, but that 600 liters of venom need to be stored somewhere.

[@miqueel5410]

@@Noperare in the comics he’s not much bigger physically then brock - who is essentially an Arnold level body builder. Same reason carnage is thin and lanky in the comics - kassidy is basically a stick figure.

[@MrTaxiRob]

Kyle Hill has entered the chat

[@teadrinker1260]

The movie was just so weirdly edited. At one moment Carnage was beeing hooted by the prisoners and right in the next shot there was no one.

[@PirateKingBoros]

I feel like there were a lot more murderous scenes but Sony said no cuz they wanted it to be PG-13.

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

Production problems.

[@riftvallance2087]

It definitely felt rushed. I generally liked the movie but if they took a little longer developing it I'm sure it would have come out better

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

maybe you should express yourself more respectful about the editing

[@jawessome]

After seeing the film last night, a few thoughts: The first film wasn’t terrible but it was just ‘okay’. I believe Venom’s greatest hurdle was it’s trying to tell an origin story without being able to incorporate Peter Parker in any way. Ehh.. they tried. The action sequences however, felt a little less inspired, less ‘Venom’ and more Stretch Armstrong and acted as more of a crutch to make up for the fact he wasn’t able to web-sling etc. I felt ‘less is more’ may have been more effective as all we got to bear witness in the final act was the CGI equivalent of watching a silly string battle with awful camera cuts to try and inspire less yawning. Anyway. Moving along to the sequel, I imagined we could have moved past all the little stumbles as both Eddie and Venom got through their teething issues. I was expecting to see him hit the ground running. Perhaps he now had his life sorted out. Reporter by day and vigilante at night allowing the symbiote some freedom as the lethal protector? Nope. Still a loser. The ‘No eating allowed’ signs were almost like the punctuation mark to follow on from the wackiness an unstable relationship provides, right? The only lethal protector we got was more of a passing joke that never really felt funny. More of a promise of how things could have been were the script given some actual care. So they latched onto very select bits of the Maximum Carnage storyline and all we got out of it were a couple of two dimensional jeering villains coupled with a bland revenge backdrop. There was no real stake ominously lurking behind whether the hero wins or loses. By the time the post credits scene rolled, it was the first time I actually hoped there would be no implied cross over. A limp, lifeless sequel that comes across as nothing more than an afterthought.

[@sirfairplay9153]

It was fucking garbage..not even close to okay!

[@spaceunicorn8423]

@@sirfairplay9153 Like the Fast and furious movies.

[@sirfairplay9153]

@@spaceunicorn8423 exactly, utter shit!

[@Delimon007]

@@spaceunicorn8423 Eh, those movies were pretty good up to tokyo drift, I rewatched a lot of them recently and they're still pretty decent. The 2nd kinda sucks though, bad.

[@aspiringjoker2883]

I actually hoped that Harrelson would kill it as Carnage, he's always been a top tier casting choice in my eyes.

[@duncanwade1026]

He's a pretty good actor, but I think he was only cast in Venom because he played a serial killer in Natural Born Killers, and Cletus Kasady is a serial killer.

[@aspiringjoker2883]

@@duncanwade1026 by that logic one could have also cast Zac Efron, since he played a serial killer once. There are a lot of different ways to play evil/insane, and Harrelson is able to play the specific kind of evil Carnage requires really well. Cameron Monaghan and Robert Knepper are my two other candidates.

[@DoomRulz]

He did. But he deserved more screentime.

[@firrycel]

he is great i think no actor could have done better with this story :))

[@thebatman4279]

He is pretty much perfect for the role but he had abaolutely no chance to shine with that dogshit script.

[@clockworklemon9243]

The venom comics are the only "marvel" comics I ever actually took interest in reading. I loved Maximum Carnage. This disappoints me greatly. Same as most modern adaptions. "Lets take some characters, rewrite their entire character and story then shovel it out to the stupid masses"

[@spimbles]

yeah, man. symbiotes are some of my personal favorite characters in all of marvel, with Carnage having been my favorite comic book character for practically my entire childhood. i remember being SOOO excited for this movie when it was simply a rumor back in 2016, but now that ive seen it after waiting this long, im immensely disappointed. they didnt do Carnage or Venom a shred of justice in honor of their comic counterparts. they are almost entirely different entities from one another because of how dumbed down and child proof they made Eddie and Cassidy. Woodie Harrelson wasnt even that bad of a pick, he portrays a broken mental patient very very well i thought, but the material just... sucks. Marvel is hot trash this year

[@GreatDerg]

Have you read Punisher Max, specifically by Garth Ennis?

[@Zontar82]

@Lujack Shaw all of the worst from modern Marvel. Congrats

[@SoulSoundMuisc]

They had the original Carnage/Venom trilogy in the school library when I was a kid. Those were the only comics I read cover to cover, several times. I had access to other comics, my dad was a big collector (hoarder, really) and I was never all that interested in many of the stories or characters. It was like a mental block. I wanted to read the stories from beginning to end... and then realized that this was impossible. The alt universe stuff, the multiple origin stories, the retelling. The use of the characters archetypes to plug a hole, characters written and drawn by different artists and writers. It drove me nuts. But that original venom/carnage? It was pretty cool.

[@scottewing2031]

Yep. Maximum Carnage. was fantastic - and a little leap forward for 90's Superhero comics.

[@slyswiper4150]

The symbiote works how it’s is literally a parasite it can enhance your body and help from inside the body so people can see it but he talks to Eddie in his head since he is literally in his head. Venom isn’t a very complicated character when it comes to how he works just for people who r not familiar with his character could be confused at times.

[@Bread-fl8vm]

Yeah what was that ramble about at the end of the video.. When he's inside of Eddie people can't hear or see him. When he's outside of Eddie, they can. I didn't think it was that complicated

[@billlosapio7571]

The original carnage Spider-Man series back in the early 90s still gives me goose bumps. Spidey pushed to the limits of exhaustion and despair trying to defeat carnage while trying to manage venom as an ally, finally collapsing…. And then…

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

I totally member begging mom to buy me those specific ones, she looked at Carnage and asked the guy at the Comic shop and he had my back dude was like "oh it's fine for him", I reckon I had nightmares lol.

[@jorn3432]

"Yeah, sure. Ok." "Ah, whatever." "How? Don't know." "Fucking thrilling." "WTF?" All that was missing was "I smell shite!" My life at work. You know me well drinker. Thank you! 😆

[@vanguardian2864]

The Amazing Spider-Man is quickly becoming the most unfairly criticized, underrated set of superhero films ever.

[@shrivatsa7759]

I'm kinda tired of this" shitty movie gets old and shitty movie is now good " thing. Bad movie is a bad movie whether what time it was made.

[@bernardo.bridon]

"Tom Hardy looks uncomfortable and out of place most of the time" I can't pinpoint if that's because Tom himself was feeling uncomfortable and out of place, if it was such a good acting that you could feel the discomfort and dislocation of having an alien parasite living withing you... or both.

[@WatThaDeuce]

I was having similar thoughts when that was brought up. Maybe uncomfortable and out of place was what he was going for? Seems suitable for the character.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

I think Tom Hardy carries the movie. I also think the movie should've been him trying to reconcile with his ex it was the only compelling subplot.

[@CraftyCarrot]

I went into this movie expecting absolute ridiculousness and I was graced with just that and that’s all it took for me to love the movie

[@xExotic]

This series easily should have been rated R. It’s so weird seeing this movie try it’s best to censor itself in order to keep that lower rating

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

"Uhhh F this guy"- Venom 2021 Best line of the movie

[@LycanVisuals]

I'm looking forward to seeing Spiderman face off with Venom, however I always wondered how it would go if it was rated R.

[@anodyne4670]

I've seen a lot of Venom x Spider-Man arts to be able to imagine up hundreds of situation.

[@Zarreth]

This venom is more like ultimate comics venom. No spider abilities so it really depends on if he's still immune to his spider sense. Ultimate had his dna so they explained it that way but thats not the case here. It's going to be interesting though. Especially since it came out right before the next spiderman so the sony/disney deal might have been spiced up with Sony doing their own world building to tie into the main marvelverse. Like vulture showing up in the morbius trailer

[@captaineri.223]

tom gets the symbiote attached to the iron spider & the integrated suit in NWH. sinister six is already dead.

[@Сайтамен]

It will be in No Way Home, so PG-13.

[@sunnymammajamma6455]

That’s the thing with Venom, he can be visible, invisible and only in Brock’s mind and he does use his abilities partly through arms and legs. It’s all faithful to the Venom comic book. As it goes for generic story, agreed they played it too safe. They downplayed Cassidy and Carnage. I guess they had a budget for CGI and couldn’t develop Carnage as much as they wanted.

[@JewishFrog]

A wise man once said; “the smaller the breasts, the closer you are to their hearts!” A wiser man once said; “bigger breasts are the expansion of the heart!” And the wisest man once said; “you must cherish the entire woman, as she’s the only doorway to her heart!”

[@jasonenns5076]

Fellow groyper...

[@MykeLewisMusic]

Who cares about her heart unless you’re gonna eat it?

[@ASHtheSLUGCAT]

All boobs are cool imo.

[@someguynamedmike4766]

so boobs? that's the moral right? right?!

[@dansmith1661]

The gigachad once said: Put a ring on that and have lots of kids.

[@herpderp9108]

They could’ve introduced Carnage in the first five minutes to give him enough time to go on a violent R-rated rampage if they wanted. He’s not the most complex character, but the fact he has no qualms with ripping someone in half for fun and that he’s unspeakably hard to kill makes him horrifying and thus fun to watch. Shriek also didn’t need to be there since he originally just stumbled onto her when he was breaking out of prison during the Maximum Carnage story and she just enjoyed the mayhem. Plus, she had chalk white skin and black hair just like Domino does. Fucking diversity shit. Not only that, thanks to Carnage and Cletus being so well bonded, even Kassidy is ridiculously hard to permanently hurt. Sentry ripping him in half in orbit didn’t stop him for long. I think Kassidy has been able to regenerate from very little too. Yeah, it would take probably a second movie to explain why he’s able to do that, but Venom simply biting their heads off was lazy and stupid. I don’t remember the last time anyone was able to fight him one-on-one but it has been a while since I read many comics. It would have been interesting to see him go up against the Avengers if they would have brought Venom into the MCU a while back. Scarlet Witch probably would have been the only one who could stand up to him at all if she didn’t immediately go for the kill. Unfortunately, that wouldn’t have happened since all the bloodshed and gore would have upset the PG-13 audie….err, network execs.

[@remusventanus5341]

Are you me? Cause you just wrote my exact thoughts.

[@herpderp9108]

@@remusventanus5341 I may be. Is your reflection doing anything unusual?

[@jimthar17]

I had a feeling from the trailer that she was race swapped. I know nothing of the character but the way they over focused on her in the trailer told me something was off. Let's not forget, they did the same thing to Domino too.

[@theeffete3396]

Yeah... Shriek: stark white skin and jet black hair. Sony: "Let's cast a black girl." Groan... It wouldn't have been too bad if they flip it and gave her long white hair, but they just made her so bland and forgetable and so obviously tokenized. Venom was one of my top 5 favorite characters back when I read comics in the 80s and 90s, and I was a little hyped for this movie when they said it was loosely based on the Maximum Carnage story. What a gigantic disappointment.

[@Nickle_King]

It amazes me this idea even made it to paper. Carnage in a PG-13 film? Why not just make Hannibal Lector a lesbian vegan? Carnage is pretty much an embodiment of psychological sickness and mania, so why even try to stick him in what might as well be a movie for children? But, like you said. Not only is Carnage in a PG-13 movie, but he's broody, has a girlfriend, and given the symbiote because...he bit somebody? Who thought ANY of this was a good idea!? i need to listen to the main theme to Maximum Carnage to clean myself of this shit. it has far more balls than anyone working on this movie.

[@AstroBear22]

This movie is one of the most I’ve ever looked forward too and was genuinely angry when COVID closed cinemas around me while it was on. So much so I got an Amazon account JUST to watch it. But in saying that, after watching it, I was so disappointed. It just felt like they threw away so much potential and after enjoying the first Venom so much, I’m just sad man.

[@obiwancc]

Honestly, I've kinda accepted what they're going for with the Venom movies at this point. For what they are, I actually like them a good bit, but yeah, it most likely would've been better if they went for a more mature tone.

[@metalgearzwei]

honestly same. i can accept the Venom movies as they are, but they would be amazing if they were allowed to go full R rated and disconnected from Disney.

[@HORRIOR1]

Yeah, they have changed so much from the comics, that comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Which I do kinda like. No reason to have the stories be the same beat by beat. The plot could use more meat on its bones, but I do love a movie that is unashamedly just characters trying to live their lives, instead of pretending to be something deeper than it isn't.

[@hanburgundy4317]

I honestly don't see why these two films get so much hate. I grew up with Venom and Carnage in cartoons, so the whole "it's not rated R!!!!" complaint is pretty baseless, IMO - especially when you consider what Venom and Carnage both do in this movie, i.e. stomping in people's faces, eating a preacher, impaling folks, etc. They just don't show the results of said violence in gratuitous, Tarantino fashion. But, I guess that's what people want, and if they don't get it they complain. Are these two films 10/10 blockbusters? No. But they're pretty good, and I don't think they deserve the negative hype. That said, I do agree that the film was missing something: my input would be to add another half hour to an hour to the movie and really focus on Cletus Cassidy as a serial killer - even once he becomes Carnage. Have Eddy get into understanding the mindset of Cassidy in order to track him down, and really give us more of a crime drama.

[@goosegas2087]

@@hanburgundy4317 Personally, they're ok for what they are, but they aren't very memorable, hence why I don't watch them; I've got better things to do.

[@mkultra2456]

@@hanburgundy4317 The main reason both these venom movies are forgettable is because THERE IS NO SPIDER MAN lol. The 90's animated show's adaptation of venom and carnage I liked the most.

[@floridafool]

PG-13 Carnage makes as much sense as a MCU Blade.

[@Patrick-ob9qx]

Honestly, I was kind of excited after the orginial venom. I was really wanted an alien anti hero that would be a vigilante that bit off people's heads. Was a interesting premise. It was then thrown away in venom 2 for a entirelu different plot and made me incredibly bored. The interactions between eddie and venom were not entertaining and for some reason I felt like venom and eddy didn't even really beat Carnage in the finale. The movie also did not story building around the symbiotes which was confusing as I thought that was the entire point of the character. When all you get is "oh ****, that's a red. We are dead" from venom about carnage it just annoys the hell out of the audience as it implies a story/characteristic without expanding upon it. ALSO: the love interest of eddy should not have come back into this movie. Literally useless the entire time.

[@darthcinema4262]

And not killing her was a mistake

[@wizzleuno]

Definitely, ooh it's a red one really pissed me off if you have to be a expert on the subject matter in a film to understand it then the filmmaker has failed we're two films in and technically we dont even know what symbiotes are

[@stingingcake853]

I remember hearing the "red one" line and thinking, "oh, we're going to get an explanation!" as being the very casual spiderman fan I am, I only know carnage really as the scary red venom. when that didn't come and my roommate looked it up and acted like it was fine even though she had to look it up. I'm a firm believer that movies should be selfcontatained in that sense.

[@VeryProfessionalGamer]

I remember playing ultimate Spider-Man on the GameCube. I remember beating the game and unlocking venom mode. I remember that the tutorial for venom mode involved you literally devouring a little girl at night that just lost a red balloon, with her having only one voice line „hey, my balloon!“ well… another if you count her guttural scream as tendrils grabbed her and pulled her into venom. THAT is how venom is…

[@Player-re9mo]

Damn dude, I had no idea children games can get that fucked up.

[@JakeTheArmyGuy]

The Spider-Man crossover will happen once the MCU swaps Peter Parker for Miles Morales which, given they are embracing alternate realities, you know they will. They just can't wait to swap out a likable, well-loved character for someone more *dIvErSe*

[@FlyingFocs]

He was actually cool in Spider-Verse. Live-action version would probably suck, though

[@SkitSkat8008]

Actually miles morales is a real good character. His character is presented greatly in spider-verse and in the ps4 game

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Toms Spiderman is just someone that fits the "kid" role in the mcu that just happens to be wearing the suit. He doesn't act like Peter and his spiderman is less than sub par. I'd take Morales seeing as it's who they are trying to make him feel like.

[@brandonscott9747]

@James Scott Miles Morales was created for one reason and only one reason - because Peter Parker is a white male. It was all identity politics BS, and that makes the character a diversity token no matter how much you like the movie he was in.

[@adamj.cuthbert7528]

Peter Parker in the MCU is a white Miles Morales. They gave him Miles' fat Asian friend from the Ultimate Marvel comics.

[@downspiral]

1:55 Hey if you're poor, ramen noodles for dinner is a thrilling experience!

[@Rinksiderips]

DRINKER: "It's like the movie was generated by some f*****g computer algorithm or something... Designed to take no chances or do anything remotely unexpected." SONY: "Oh, f**k... He's on to us..."

[@CuT7yFlaM]

Why do censor with asterisks? We can read the word, we know it, why pretend it's hidden? Everyone else, the video included, has said it here. There's nothing to hide or prevent.

[@creativedoof]

@@CuT7yFlaM I think KZbin tends to delete messages that look unsavory. I typed in a word with one * instead of two **'s within a paragraph, and said message was deleted within seconds after I posted it. Or, maybe I screwed up. I don't know.

[@CuT7yFlaM]

@@creativedoof oh yeah that's possible, my bad. Forgot how unforgiving KZbin can be at time.

[@JohnSmith-ch9sm]

This is a very accurate review. The first Venom movie could have/should have been much better, but was... okay. This one was also... okay. But when so many movies that have been released in the past two years that didn't even reach "okay" status, this is a winner by default.

[@mad4song01]

This probably explains why this movie beat Shang-Chi the f*ck out the water in box office opening despite both only being released in theaters.

[@Dreadjaws]

For all of its issues, I really enjoyed the first Venom film. The story was basic, yes, but the interaction between Eddie and the symbiote was fun and gave the movie a "buddy cop" vibe that set it apart from the increasingly generic superhero fare dominating the box office. Sadly, the sequel decides to separate them for drama and neither character is interesting enough on their own, which means that the entire second act of the movie is nearly unwatchable. Then the movie suffers from the classic "We have a few good ideas here and there but don't know what to do with them, so we'll just point them out and expect the audience to fill the blanks for us" style that the MCU has perfected (so much that people are still convinced to these day that those movies are clever rather than mere popcorn fun) but that few others can properly get away with. Stuff like the aforementioned backstory for Kasady or the idea that red symbiotes are a familiar sight. The whole thing is exacerbated by the fact that Carnage was never a particularly interesting villain, and failing to improve his character was a major missed opportunity. I can't say I regret having watched the movie, but I probably won't be watching it again.

[@blocklycowssecondchannel8918]

you basically explained everything i was thinking. well said

[@shanthagopian7559]

I enjoyed the first Venom so I kinda had a few hopes for this one as well and honestly it was quite fun. Ofcourse its not top movie quality but the quips and banter between the characters was nice enough. and that end credit scene got me more excited for Spiderman No way home.

[@sirautismo6284]

I liked the part where Carnage said “Let there be carnage!” and then the movie just ends. Brilliant writing we have going on here.

[@rons_seb]

Lmaoo does that actually happen Sir Autismo??

[@sirautismo6284]

@@rons_seb No, the movie keeps going. Carnage does say this, though.

[@GoldenWolf115]

@@rons_seb I wish it did. If only I could get my money back.

[@peedfarded]

@@sirautismo6284 Not for very long.

[@SumDumGy]

I rejected the Venom films from their inception once I learned that Spider-Man wasn’t associated. Spider-Man is a pivotal element in the development and creation of Venom on every level. As far as I’m concerned, no Venom exists without that connection. It can’t be shoehorned in two movies after the fact either. Sony does not want my money.

[@randaranatunga7259]

As Amanda the Jedi said “it’s basically a romantic comedy at this point”

[@saymyname2417]

It actually kind of is. It's concepted like a double sided coat. Gay and yet not. Remember Grimm and Supernatural had the exact same thing going as a basis!

[@riftvallance2087]

@@saymyname2417 Its a pretty basic bromance story. 1 part buddy cop 1 part disfunctionial relationship. I think it worked just not Terribly imaginative

[@saymyname2417]

@@riftvallance2087 - I find bromances absolutely annoying. And apart from pushing the gay thing they have no other effect than to pester the audience with unnecessary bickering.

[@riftvallance2087]

@@saymyname2417 Don't really think of it as a gay romance thing. The symbiotes are sexless sentient goo. He acts masculine when attached to a male and feminine when attached to a female, so doesn't bother me .

[@saymyname2417]

@@riftvallance2087 - I see what you mean but that doesn't really matter. It's the way two characters are written and behave - namely like a bickering couple, even when they are technically not like the Winchesters who are brothers or when they are hetero buddies in a relationship with women on the outside like the cop and Werewolf in Grimm.

[@hordakprime6172]

So long as it doesn't suck I'll watch it.

[@elitheOG]

Venom: let there be corny forced cash grabs

[@diegohaung2831]

MCU: that it is we gonna take it over here

[@ClipCoyote]

You have been surprisingly kind lately. Spot on here about Homecoming and Carnage.

[@Shiirya]

I think its fair here, venom movie arent what we could call good, BUT i think they tried a bit to do something. There was some intention to do something vaguely interesting and original but they didnt had the good writter or director for it, so there are good ideas here and there but thats it. So yeah its ok movie especialy for the first one, the second is a bit disapointing, anyway like he said when talking about some instant ramen, you watch it when you are bored and just want to watch something and dont thin too much

[@Captianmex1C0]

Probably because he got a lot of shit after his Loki review

[@Shiirya]

@@Captianmex1C0 did he ? i dont remember exactly his review but if it did make some bad critic even if im not agree with all he say in general, loki was ok but defenetely had many flaws. People just praised it because it was massively advertised, because it was a good moment for marvel and various project, there was some interesting idea and most of all tom hiddleston magicaly charmed everyone both in hollywood and the audience. Hiw lokie character in the movies was realy exeptional, and the guy is talented, but one thing realy shocked me in the serie, his acting isnt as good as in the movie, so if he can play good in the movies or less good like in the serie, clearly time to reshoot a scene again and again to capture the perfect acting and a good director and skilled people to make it nice and clean, does apear as important, not every actors can carry everything onf their shoulder alone, it requires a staff behind.

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@Shiirya he got shit because he tried to critique about "Woke" or body positivity because one of the Officers was obese, and then said the main Villian never Got punished or Hated because she's a woman, People corrected him saying she just Survived in the end like many other marvel Villians.

[@Shiirya]

@@Captianmex1C0 Oh i see, he is not completely wrong tho but yeah i do remember now, i even saw i made a comment on his loki review. The biggest problem is that sometime i dont if he is real or if its just for his "character" but he missed some important points sometime, like he tunnel vision into a critic and fuck everything else. Making him saying big bullshit like he didnt even watch what he is criticising, as it was literaly explain in the movie or so. I would say on like he was half right half wrong, and that is the problem when you try to critic something like dumb culture like woke or those kind of shit, if you make even a tiny mistake it create a breach for those morrons to jump in and attack you and try to justify whatever they want. To be fair he is overall interesting about what he talk and as sound as it sound we need more people to stand for what is right and actualy beeing against woke culture IS the right things to do ! But he abuses sometime, by not beeing enought mindfull about what he is watching, or need to do a slight research to prevent few mistakes

[@TheStrykerProject]

Well, I couldn't bring myself to finish the first Venom movie, and I thank you, O' Exalted Drinker, for sparing me the loss of another 1/2 hour or so.

[@drosims7993]

I like when venom said “I’m going to let that slide…we’re hurting” shit was funny as hell 🤣 But yea this movie was the most average thing we have gotten in the last few years of comic book movies. Venom and Eddie’s banter was the highlight of the movie…

[@GoldenWolf115]

Below average due its butchering of the source material. Comic accuracy would've made average, bearable.

[@dariusonly1384]

The MundanneMatt joke will sadly go underappreciated. Props for still making a boulderking joke in 2021.

[@FarseerB1rdy]

Just about to say, what a great little jibe. Love it.

[@Captain-Palsy]

The Boulder King never gets old 🤣

[@mikerhoa]

He's making videos again.

[@OB.x]

oh man i laughed too hard when he said that

[@TommyCeltic]

Goodbye Boulders..... Dead Air

[@skorpion7132]

I have one real question. I remember Carnage mostly from either the comics or videogames as the epitomy of savage, evil and chaos, not caring about anything or anyone and who enjoys killing for the fun of it. So first and foremost, I'm having trouble understanding why people seem to want the villain in this case to be compelling by depth... Why? Carnage is not the character that fits that approach and he never was. So why do people expect that CK, and Carnage specifically to have some major form of deep and elaborate take as if you're looking at Thanos? Carnage to me was never the villain you need to care about because he's some damaged chap who happened to end up spit out by life. No, Carnage is that villain you're terrified by because he has no moral compass and does what he does because he likes it. Carnage is pretty much the embodiment of his name: Carnage. And in that light... is Venom 2 worth it?

[@TY-km8hj]

I think its more ppl wanting to look into the sick twisted relationship between CK and Carnage that we want. No one else would get them but each each and seeing that would've been compelling and also add to the fear factor. I haven't seen anyone wanting the depth of thanos qith a masterplan, just him being a savage and looking into the psychology of it

[@pepekovallin]

I don't why people don't want 1 dimensional villains anymore, I mean, sure, it's great to have a villain that has a greater goal, or even a good motivation behind extreme approaches, but there's also a good place for villains that are villains because they are just bad, it just feels great to watch a bastard having his ass kicked by the heroes. But no, I think having a villain that is just evil and/or greedy is too much for some people to handle

[@pepekovallin]

@@FatherNagic some people tried to defend this aspect of the movie because "in the comics is just like this, they say they're going to do lots of things and then it's something not so dirty", but we're still watching a movie, we need to feel impact of everything, but we will never feel impact in a bite on someone's fucking head, if it doesn't come out a single drop of blood. defending venom 2 for being too goofy, or having stupid fight scenes is just excusing lazy writing

[@Legion849]

The biggest problem with Venom and the sequel is that there's no blood. So everything comes off as cheap and meaningless

[@KaneMeadowsGaming]

There is zero carnage in this movie, not even a single drop of blood. There's a scene where he throws a cop off a 4 story railing, then catches him and gently sets him in the ground 😂 They turned the perfect symbiote into a joke.

[@darthkek1953]

I'd love to go to the Outer Hebrides to learn about the history of basket weaving. I'd also climb all the mountains, drink all the whisky, annoy all the women and lose fights to the fishermen.

[@mercyjokes2d696]

The fish wives I know have decimated men with one lash of their tongues. You'd best hope the men fight ye first!

[@mercyjokes2d696]

But the ultimate goal of learning the time honoured craft of basket weaving? They'd leave your hands alone so you can accomplish that task.

[@RobinMcBeth]

To the fishermen? You'll lose to the grannies that weave the baskets ^^

[@darthkek1953]

@@RobinMcBeth I know of such women. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Gran

[@JewishFrog]

"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings." ~ Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice

[@derbuckeyetribe9789]

Do you work for CNN? 😂

[@SpaceJawa]

Can someone translate this into English?

[@thebatman4279]

I couldn't agree more 🙂 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@devinbuettgenbach2941]

@SpaceJawa it's a very complicated way for movie Bob to show off his pieces of paper saying he's smart

[@logosrising865]

Agreed. ÷ movie Jim's peepee

[@Watchingvids13]

I stopped watching movies, until you approve them. You’ve been on point for my taste in films

[@JewishFrog]

"Real content has never been tried before." - Hasan "Chicken Nuggie-Tested, Mother Approved" Piker

[@JacobBen94]

Carnage died while he was separated from Cassidy but he’s meant to be joint to Cassidy at a blood level, it was shit.

[@chaosandgore5099]

Not to mention that his symbiote is just an extension of Cletus Kasady's mind. So there is no other voice in his head. Just his own. He is supposed to be the poster boy of perfect symbiosis. There is no symbiote, not host. Only Carnage.

[@GoldenWolf115]

@@chaosandgore5099 *EC-FUCKING-ZACKLY*

[@theogonia1983]

I dunno about all this, but I'm now ENAMORED with the compulsion to look up the history of basket weaving in the Outer Hebrides!

[@pilummurialis6490]

I met Tom Hardy's stunt double before Venom 2 was announced and said that the sequel needs to be a hard R rating and not hold back on gore, he said "I completely agree" and I am close with a Venom fanatic who has filled me in on all the lore and she told me the series done by Donny Cates, is by far the darkest thing ever, especially compared to the film, which while getting accurate, it should be doing more to really have it's world really brought to life, the humour is spot on though between Venom and Eddie, and Tom Hardy actually has the personality of Eddie Brock down, the script is really what is not working though

[@InspectorSpacetime333]

That last sentence really seems to sum up most Sony flicks of this type. They all include talented people but it's like they have very little concern over whether they're working with a good screenplay or not. It's strange.

[@GoldenWolf115]

Yeah. Gotta disagree with this film being accurate... like... *at all* ...

[@RegisTraiter]

Donny Cates was good until he got too big for his britches and became a cuck.

[@deadcheckofficial1815]

Man I've been reading the Venom comics since the fuckin 90's and nowhere did I ever see big brooding Eddie Brock act like an autistic pussy......Tom Hardy just isnt a good fit, and the sooner people take off the rose tinted glasses for him, the sooner they'll realize that. He's great at other things. He's shit in these films.

[@deadcheckofficial1815]

@Gabreya Bradley I said nothing about anything else he's done.....

[@jaosilva464]

Venom being a dark and angry character is what I love about it. But them Venom movies fucked that up and probably won't make it right. Besides, how come we expect something good out of a movie written by the screenwriter of Fifty Shades of Grey.

[@LegacyComics100]

I mean Eddie lost his job, his girlfriend, his family, his life, and even had cancer in one comic adaptation, mostly all because of Spider-Man and Peter Parker, so yeah he has his reasons. Scorpion should have a personal vendetta against Spider-Man instead of J Jonah Jameson.

[@someguynamedmike4766]

If I had known that last bit I'd have never seen this film

[@armageddonmma8907]

The Drinker needs to do a video on Fifty Shades

[@RodgerRamjet]

Hardy is the perfect casting ever for a character like this.. you cant HELP but empathize, and adore, his portrayal.. the personality they gave Venom, if they DONT stray from it far, is again, about spot on. yes, it needs some help, and would flesh out into easily a 3 or 4 movie franchise with some better writing and plot/storyline. i just enjoy this movie, and cant notch it into the trash bin..

[@DoomRulz]

My only real beef with this film is that Carnage (and by extension Cletus) deserved more screentime. We've been asking for Carnage for years since the canceled Spider-Man 4 and while he was well-rendered, he deserved more. Also, that mid-credits scene was fire. I haven't been that hyped for the sequel since Thanos cameoed in The Avengers.

[@tfyk5623]

Same that was insane. I hope that venom slaps spiderman around

[@Rolf97]

One of my major problems with it was how they made Cassidy and Carnage be at odds, when in the comics they were so in tune that when Carnage was attached to Norman Osborne, Osborne became convinced that he was Cassidy... My favorite bits were definitely Brock and venom giving each other shit

[@seanmcclure]

Prophet. The post credits scene was pretty much killed. Spot on Drinker!

[@Laxhoop]

Never before, have I seen a PG-13 movie that so desperately wanted to be rated R. Carnage literally mouth-f*cks a man to death with his tongue in this movie, and it’s done so quickly, and boringly. Like, how do you make that boring? Carnage is a character like Deadpool, he cannot be done properly without an R rating. His first real appearance in the comics, had him peel a dudes skin off.

[@Zeburaman2005]

7:22 “How would that even work between different species anyway?” The answer to that question resides on DeviantArt.

[@edgarfranllamas2792]

Your almost at the 1 million. Your earn it. Great job.

[@okenwaayomikun]

Venom 2 had better action than the first movie, but there is something about it that I can't put my hand on that feels like it could have been done better.

[@gamemediafan1714]

Maybe the fact that the movie was obviously trimmed down to the barest basics in post production is a big problem?

[@webbedshadow2601]

You know what...I want to say the first Venom felt more like a complete film, Venom 2 feels like it's lacking half the movie, and that's a problem with Sony or the director

[@darkoale3299]

@Harold075 You misspelled Shang-Chi.

[@NennysProkuktions]

I found it quite enjoyable. Not a once in a lifetime masterpiece, but I enjoyed the humor and I enjoyed the spectacle. I find no obligation to demand anything more from such a movie.

[@-Down-D-Stairs-]

I hear ya

[@WhatDoYouExpectToHappen]

Sad that demanding to hollywood to make a smart layered with good humour is hard nowadays

[@eloquentsarcasm]

While it certainly wasn't Dunkirk or Hacksaw Ridge, it also wasn't Ishtar, Ghostbusters 2016, or the entire Star Wars sequel trilogy either. It was a fun couple hours that I don't regret spending.

[@Dtitilator]

I got to agree 💯 I had a great time being entertained but as soon as I left the theater and a couple of days later I don't even remember anything that really made an impression about the movie. It's like watching a fireworks display that get you to go wow but as soon as it ends... nothing.

[@ftuT]

I agree with you. It reminded me of Glass. Not that high expectactions, but in the end it was kind of "Oh, so that's it". At least in Glass they do want to subvert expectations and not do anything spectacular. But here, this evil, powerful threat just wants to get married in a church instead of taking the city.

[@ifragpsn6431]

Pretty spot on. The one thing I will say is that the pacing of the movie was decent. Only the rave scene dragged on, and contributed very little to the plot, it seemed only to exist as the obligatory shout-out and genuflection to woke culture.

[@wrath231]

I agree that was probably the cringiest thing in the whole movie

[@spookystone846]

The problem I had with the movie was carnage’s writing. He’s definitely a sadistic killer like he’s supposed to be but carnage and cleatus are supposed to be one, they refer to themselves as “I” while eddy and venom refer to themselves as “we”

[@connordorman117]

That really bothers me too. The whole thing with Carnage is they were completely bonded to the point they were one person.

[@forgottenrights351]

Wouldn't "I" imply they were the same person, thus being even closer than Venom and Eddie?

[@mg1721]

They both are so compatible, that Carnage has bonded to Cassidy’s blood, rather than his muscles or flesh, like most other symbiotes, making it far harder to remove Carnage from Cassidy, if not impossible to do so. It’s an integral part of Carnage’s character that Kassidy completes him, and that Kassidy feels the same way. Hence, Carnage always uses I when referring to himself, whereas Venom invariably uses we. His symbiote is just an extension of Cletus Kassidy's mind. So there is no other voice in his head. Just his own. He is supposed to be the poster boy of perfect symbiosis. There is no symbiote, not host. Only Carnage.

[@ryatt1]

It's still weird how a relationship between Shriek and Cassidy with Carnage ever worked in the comics tho.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@ryatt1 , it’s probably like how DC’s Shriek and Black Canary can control the loud vibrations, so if Carnage isn’t around her screaming at the enemies then he’ll be perfectly fine.