Film Theory: Is This the NEXT Backrooms? (The Oldest View)

[@nicheofnight]

I think one element that really lends credence to the idea of "accepting the impermanence" as a central theme for the oldest view is the fact that Wyatt is allowed to enter and then leave the mall once before it traps him inside. It's like whatever power created it allows visitors to enter once and experience something lost to us, but if they try to keep coming back, it will devour them. It works as a good metaphor for people being stuck in the past and in the way things were, and the consequences of being like them.

[@juliannegee5114]

Love these thoughts ✨

[@EnterAName2823]

Although it is hard to sometimes accept it

[@disrespecc9678]

oh gee, someone found the subtext

[@dan7564]

I assumed it was because the Giant hadn't found him the first two times. As soon as he crosses path with the giant, the mall phases out or in, the lights come on and the exist switches out with a collapsed one. We know the giant can do this not only because of the grown trees but as he goes up the escalators all the trees disappear and it's the usual mall.

[@AJGundam]

What I love about The Oldest View is that this mall has been demolished and exists no where but in Kanes renders. In a Wendigoon video, he says a friend got him all the blueprints for it so this man literally REBUILT the mall in a digital space.

[@mixedbagmixesmusic1967]

Yeah, the Livestream!

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@sethescope]

​@@Jen-henman, someday people will come up with creative things to spam but apparently it is not this day.

[@hmmmmymmmme2572]

Iceberg boy

[@bskinner22rianna]

The fact that MatPat doesn't reference the livestream where Kane stated he had the blueprints and recreated the mall bugs feels ick

[@InverseMoon]

I think it's important to note that while Wyatt was studying Botany, he mentions that he actually switched over to studying Business, which could be significant in explaining why the Rolling Giant targeted Wyatt. For instance, since Wyatt changed his major from Botany to Business, he made himself part of the world--the business word-- that would play a role in the desertion and destruction of the mall; Wyatt's fate may be a direct consequence of straying from studying Botany and switching interests to Business.

[@yrgga]

he targetd wyat foir weak kness

[@jesterjay_]

@@yrgga 33% of those words were spelt correctly. That’s an F grade 😐

[@Obreyze]

@@jesterjay_lol

[@shaunpocalypse]

@@jesterjay_ he ain't wrong thoe

[@joeyswafford3956]

business interests destroyed the mall

[@lukestarkiller1470]

I seriously could’t tell if the place was actually real or not until all the trees appeared everywhere. It looks so unbelievable real. First he mastered the old camcorder look in the backrooms and now he’s mastered the modern phone camera look. This kid is ridiculously talented, I’m glad he’s getting his movie career started this early on, he’s going to be very successful no matter what he decides to do with his life

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@DoritosAndMountainDew]

​@@Jen-henFound the bot 💀

[@SDC-666]

@@Jen-hen not the bot💀

[@alexiscastillo7955]

Love the mall

[@Ooferdoodlez]

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[@zeroxlulu]

It's honestly pretty crazy that my childhood mall is now apart of this big 'analog horror lore'. Glad I decided to document the mall 6 years ago on my channel before it was demolished, It really was a strange feeling walking through Valley View pretty much all to myself, very eerie yet nostalgic, I remember the day vividly.

[@jonmayer]

I wish I could find some footage of the malls I used to go to. Most exist in some capacity still, but look nothing like they used to.

[@angelcake.s]

i literally used to play at the mcdonald’s by the mall as a kid this is REALLY trippy 😭

[@Gunshin01]

Yeah. Before he called out what mall it was I was sitting here like, wow that looks familiar. Like really familiar.

[@kdandsheela]

it's possible that some of your footage was used as a reference for this work!

[@zeroxlulu]

@@angelcake.s The really cool one that had a happy meal shaped play area before they went and remodeled it into looking like any old McDonald's? Lol

[@tommywang948]

The scariest part of the giant is that it constantly feed you false information about itself so that it can create a false sense of security. It then breaks this sense of security violently, creating even more dread than it normally would. For example, it convinced our dude that it won't move at first, but then it did. Then, it convinced him it won't move on sight, then it did again. Then, it convinced him that there's no way it can go up an escalator, which it did yet again. At last, it convinced him that he's dealing with some kind of statues on wheels, but then it reveals that it can literally come off its base. Truly terrifying.

[@littleredruri]

When did it come off its base?

[@tommywang948]

@@littleredruri When the beam collapsed, as our guy is falling, you can actually see that only the base was still there, and the statue itself is missing

[@littleredruri]

@@tommywang948 I couldn't see it 🤷‍♀️

[@PouTheBean]

@@littleredruriLook at the middle left. There is something with red flags, which if you noticed was on the back of the giant. So the giant either fell off its stand and we just can’t see it with the angle, or it can GET OFF its stand which is more terrifying

[@killianversoza7101]

The giant had already outsmarted your outsmarting

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Gotta admit, seeing Kane Pixels explore the genre that he’s made so popular, it is so rad, and so cool.

[@VillagerMemerOG]

I know broo

[@PossiblyCoolAnimations]

Oh no the bots have arrived

[@TheFolanj]

lol first

[@Magst3r1]

So rad

[@null6857]

W pfp

[@FintanFire]

Finding out the mall being a real thing was the most unreal thing ever.

[@VillagerMemerOG]

Facts

[@Ballin_Cat4]

Theres somany hindue bots

[@breakpain999]

only 0.97k ledft@IAmJustAGuy240

[@Fentlover1]

​@@superkidsabi268good for you?

[@ThatGamerPilot]

​@IAmJustAGuy240you are literally begging bot.

[@jacoboniaplay]

So the mall is buried at the base of a tree. It's a grave. Wow. Cemeteries are places of great sadness, but they're also places where you honor the dead. Gives me chills. Hold on to what you can, but you have to let go of what you can't in a way that honors its memory.

[@Lumberjack_king]

And Wyatt was disturbing the dead

[@shawnheatherly]

It's insane that Kane Pixels' version of a break is to just make another impressive series.

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@Chester_The_CatYT]

@thebestgachaever2666​either a dumb person or a bot probably a bot

[@Chester_The_CatYT]

@AtomZ713​either a dumb person or a bot probably a bot

[@ChicagolandGamer]

@AtomZ713 you look like you need a mobility scooter

[@ChicagolandGamer]

@@Jen-hen at least he doesn't need glasses to see :)

[@KHike08]

I’m from Dallas, and I have to say- the way Kane depicted the Valley View Mall is *perfect*. I literally felt like I was there

[@adomination1128]

it was painstakingly and perfectly recreated digitally using the actual blueprints of the valley view center and old photos of the interior and rendered in a render farm. its absolutely insane what this guy can do.

[@randomgerman657]

Same

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@avalondegray9228]

I use to go there as a kid with my mom when we'd wait for my sister airplane to land in the airport in Dallas and it was so surreal to how I remember it

[@pseudoherpetologist2497]

Watching The Oldest View literally resurfaced a memory I had going there with my dad when I was like 8 or 9 that I had completely forgotten. I even had to double check with him to make sure my brain didn't just make it up. Really made the horror experience 10 times better.

[@BettoniFerreira]

What if the giant is actually trying to help? When the giant goes up the lift, one door opens, probably that was the exit all along! As said in the video, when all exits are inacessible, one should refer to Reverchon, the giant! If all exits are gone, refer to the giant! Wyatt asks "what do you want", but the giant can't speak, can't do hand gesture or whatever, the only thing he could do was to show those image more like a warning as "this is death, don't go this way or you will die", Wyatt doesn't understand and run, the giant gets frustrated and tries to stop Wyatt hitting the wall, but it only scares Wyatt even more and he ends up dead... at the end we see his body outside and the Giant is also monochromatic, looking at him, to me it feels like he is sad and disappointed for not being able to save Wyatt, maybe because he knows that place is evil, or maybe because he is nostalgic of people being there with him

[@Matrix77776]

Honestly this series is amazing it’s impressive how Kane found so many photos of the rolling giant despite how poorly documented it was

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@Janeworx]

darn bots are ruining youtube

[@katarinacarrico7887]

Quite impressive

[@ResaChiic]

yikes, i feel bad that half the replies to your comment are bots :(

[@Iamaclone3821]

⁠@@ResaChiicyep, atom and jen are the same person because they have the same videos

[@AidenThePony]

I wonder if the closet that MatPat sometimes records videos in is somehow connected to The Backrooms?

[@FilmTheory]

🤔

[@paigemorabito4770]

Yeah

[@MjfdfrHhgeshmjr]

⁠@@FilmTheory that might be true of what he said like remember the things what it was on backrooms could be why and is connected to something

[@paigemorabito4770]

​@@MjfdfrHhgeshmjrmaybe it's in the editors dungeon

[@Sunny_Omori12352]

it probably is lol

[@Mr_Inspiration]

Speaking of impermanence. I think we can all agree that, with Matthew soon retiring, this analogy horror's true story & purpose hits more at home than it did before.

[@TheKinginRed]

Id just like to point out that Wyatt actually escaped twice, but decided to go a third time and gets trapped, this man had 3 separate chances to leave the spooky hole alone and he couldn't.

[@slippyfruit8538]

I mean, he is canonically fight club red pilled sigma male

[@DeletedTroll]

Considering the theme of nostalgia, that's quite accurate. It's a good, bad and dangerous emotion that many get too attached to and refuse to move on, depending on your situation and what you're nostalgic about. But it's less about being attached to the thing that causes nostalgia, and more about being attached to the feeling itself.

[@Imbettadenu]

To be fair the first two times he didn’t encounter the statue at all But he still definitely should’ve left the first time

[@xdgaming70]

Curiosity killed the cat

[@almessasorrow4950]

​@@xdgaming70satisfaction brought it back

[@myeyesdontbreathe3555]

As a games designer, getting a theory on one of my projects is a massive thing on my bucket list. It really is a coveted honour to get a theory created about your work.

[@ToastBadoinks]

good luck getting matpats attetion :) (thats not me being rude, i actually wish you good luck. just wanted to clarify)

[@BonjeSponge_]

Yooo wait me too, been working on games my whole life! Like no joke it is so difficult to find other devs

[@normalchannel2185]

Good for you, just dont go the hello neighbour route

[@Chronicler9]

@@normalchannel2185 *shudder - the game that should not be named...

[@atomichamster2709]

Good luck to you man! Can’t wait to hopefully see you on here! Much love♥️

[@thenewsl678]

I could totally envision these analog horror series being used to teach the future generations "Old Content" similar to the way we study "old literature" and Matpat's videos being used as we use the guide books and breakdowns of various famous historical pieces lol

[@divine-s]

I’m super impressed with Kane Pixels. Each series he makes he’s never disappointed. His editing, voice acting, suspension, emotion, he all somehow perfects in. Massive respect for him.

[@Awogletfan5513]

@OFFICERJIMMYUTTPwomp womp womp woooomp

[@romanbundy921]

I really like Kane Pixels, too. His content is really interesting, and I love it!

[@ChansinOfficial]

Any gaijin goomba fans here?

[@danoklex8646]

The glazing is insane

[@hudsondraulans212]

I didn't get goosebumps until you said the entire mall is CGI... that is so incredibly impressive.

[@justaemptymall]

Why would you think it's real?

[@guitarenthusiast22]

Thats exactly what i was thinking. I kept wondering how kane could've gotten access to/built such an incredible set. I guess CGI makes more sense, but that's just wildly cool to me

[@Jasondurgen]

@@justaemptymallbecause abandoned malls exist and are trespassed daily?

[@odinpaxton2408]

Honestly the most immersive CGI environment I've experienced its beautiful. His camera movements/ audio FX make it seem way more realistic too, like someone's actually filming it and walking around talking with us.

[@Heretic_for_life_931]

In an interview he said it himself that some shots are from the mall before it was demolished

[@SuperLeDuper]

Another interesting detail is that Wyatt *used* to be a botany major, but changed his major to business, adding to the idea that the botanist is a part of the past, but it still informs the present and has a lingering effect

[@archer9356]

To anyone interested in this series and the backstory behind it. Wendigoon recently reacted to this series with Kane Pixel and Alex Kister, the creator of Mandela Catalogue, being in a discord call. When they weren't tormenting Wendigoon, Kane would talk about the behind the scenes and making of the video while giving lore about the giant statue itself. Also apparently people on tiktok saw the second video and thought this was real child trafficking hidden mall underground.

[@littlemisspicc4601]

That entire stream lives rent free in my head. I loved the part when Mr. The Oldest View showed off his very kind eyes.

[@gregoryvn3]

TikTok is the latest home of the dumbest people on the internet.

[@eldiandevil]

Good ol’ Iceberg Boy

[@ALV5252]

poor Iceberg Boy

[@ALV5252]

@OFFICERJIMMYUTTP oooookaaaayyyy

[@thebigd1452]

16:05 foreshadowing for his own retirement is crazy

[@HeisenbergFam]

If Matt fell into Backrooms, he would peacefully try to ask entities about the _LORE_

[@ethansadamschannel585]

​@@ChristoferPezetLolbot

[@jellycharlie2921]

Lol yeah he would

[@Myerzz]

@@jellycharlie2921haha yeah i guess he would, thats cool guys, we should go out to eat or something that could maybe be fun

[@syndicatelabs297]

🤣🤣

[@marseille3252]

entity: *jumpscare* MatPat: *frantically takes notes*

[@archergal]

Hard to believe Kane Pixels went all the way from making 3d aot animations to being so big of a channel

[@ThermiteKitty]

Saw the one of the rally ages ago and didn't know it was the same guy for ages. At a time where fans were desensitized to the horror of AoT, he was able to portray how scary and off-putting Eren's grim reminder would have realistically been, and that eye towards the emotion and strangeness of situations rather than getting irony-poisoned and self-referential is definitely what makes his work feel so distinct.

[@archergal]

@AtomZ713 Sure he did

[@marycahoon6325]

No way!! I recognized right away that this was filmed at a mall in my home town! I did a film camp there a month or so before it shut down, and it was so surreal seeing it again all decrepit like that. The movie theater stayed open longer than the mall itself, so you could come in and look out onto the abandoned food court, which gave such a strange feeling since I had eaten lunch there every day for two weeks. So cool that it's being memorialized in a big series like this! RIP Valley View, sorry you could never compete with the Galleria.

[@silencearts33]

I have legitimately had dreams about concrete staircases descending underneath trees, as well as a nightmare about being chased by a witch through the aisles of am underground mall, when I was younger. The oldest view touched a fear buried way too deep in my subconscious.

[@StarBeam500]

That is... a really odd coincidence

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@rose-mariedessert3117]

Huh

[@La_Mariposana]

@@Jen-hen you only joined two weeks ago. He can’t do that. Don’t reply please

[@nharo2442]

Dude, same. Couple minor differences from yours (I don’t remember if the staircase started under a tree or not (it was somewhere open so maybe?) and I wasn’t chased in the mall (fell down a chute in a carpeting store)) but for the most part a similar deal. This definitely capitalizes on a dreamlike nightmare effect.

[@carolinewilliams4961]

For anyone else who was wandering what the twig was at 10:28. It’s called Yellow Pimpernel. A pollinator in the Parsley family. And it’s native to Texas.

[@Yeslguess]

I don’t know why any would be curious at first but its interesting now that I know

[@MrFallout984]

14:54 AYO ITS ME LETS GOOOO

[@IMArvidson]

😮

[@Starlight_Crafter]

Gosh it’s insane that he chose this mall in particular, because like 5 or so years back when my family was on vacation in Dallas, we stopped at the mall, not realizing it was closed. There was no one in the parking lot, and it was one of the most liminal places I’ve ever experienced. Even though I never stepped foot in there, I always wondered what it looked like and wish I could have. It’s also been a major reoccurring location in my dreams, so it really stuck with me and impacted me deeply. It’s amazing to see one of the greats of liminal horror use this location as well to tell a story.

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@I_A-c1x]

I'm honestly hoping that, at some point, that Kane will give us the same type of series but with a protagonist who's competent, aggressive, and unafraid. Someone who wouldn't run scared and disoriented and would instead ball up and come out swinging.

[@sekira4516]

that aint a horror movie, that's an action flick.

[@MrMrprofessor12345]

@@sekira4516 You could definitely make that a horror, depending on how you either broke the character, or showed how meaningless their struggles are. Not in even the malicious sense. Just the pure apathy of the environment, the utter lack of anything to care about whether you resist "it".

[@I_A-c1x]

@MrMrprofessor12345 Exactly. I'm not saying we get some Doom commando in to beat up monsters for 20 minutes, I'm saying let's have the protagonist at least ATTEMPT the other approach. To be honest, I like the idea of a big guy getting stuck in one of these worlds with an entity and, instead of running, actually tries to fight it off, maybe even managing to briefly topple it. But once the realization sets it that it's not dying and it won't stay down, the real fight or flight panic starts popping off.

[@Wandasolosurfavs]

​​@@I_A-c1xso you want the protagonist to die faster?

[@I_A-c1x]

@Wandasolosurfavs Most strong people are, by nature, durable. It wouldn't be quick, especially if the guy knows anything about fighting. Even if it was a small, scrappy guy, never underestimate a cornered beast.

[@samdal420]

Imagine dying and becoming a giant art project monster in an arg, honesty if that's not my legacy then I don't want one 😤🔥💯

[@massivepotatoe1751]

If anyone wants to hear what Kane has to say about the oldest view, he watched the oldest view together with Wendigoon, while also explaining how he did things and how he got inspired. I believe Wendigoon posted a video on his second channel.

[@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakery]

The video is on wendigang, his second channel. The full reaction and call with kane as he watches, kane and chat bullying wendi as he cries at the statue on screen 😂

[@Bloodstar582]

​@@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakeryiceberg boy😂

[@Marathon.52]

How could he cry at the statue? It has such kind eyes.

[@FilmFightFanatic]

The first couple parts of the Oldest View actually reminded me of “The Cave”, what is considered by many as possibly the first creepypasta. Mostly because all the scares come much later in the story and the segment building up to it is a very slow and sometimes tedious but realistically long and detailed documentation of an everyday person exploring a completely unknown subterranean area.

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@baydiac]

@@Jen-henConsidering your youtube account is two weeks old, we doubt it. Begone, bot.

[@bfiguess]

​@@Jen-henSureeeeeee

[@justinelighthouse6047]

I wonder what would happen if the giant caught up to him

[@captainrandom_pc]

Wyatt was studying botany, but he ultimately changed to business. I'm not sure if that went unnoticed or it was irrelevant. Either way I wanted to put it out there for other people theorizing.

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

I hate found footage movies, but I love Kane Pixel's work! He really knows how to do horror properly in this style. I can't wait to see the movie he's working on and what else he has in store for the future. Maybe a part 2 for this one? That would be awesome.

[@micahslash]

You don't like Blair Witch?

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@mattstudios740]

@Dougloideyou make meme content, not theories.

[@not_logan]

I actually love the fact of how the oldest view is leaned toward nostalgia whilst the name "the oldest view" could be like a saying of nostalgia because like its old and alot of old things that some don't remember its nostalgic and it just makes you feel warm and cozy from viewing it. cause thats what nostalgia is about.

[@GemmaBearTTV]

Valley View was my favorite mall, growing up. Straight up cried a little watching this series. So many wonderful memories with my parents and my brother.

[@heilamwether8911]

Tbh, I think the biggest thing about this project by lane pixels, is by how well he remade the mall. I didn’t even realize that was 100% CGI. He really is a league of his own.

[@hackerexe5903]

Fr

[@Case2_0]

I went to that mall dozens of times in its near abandoned state (cheapest AMC in DFW) and I genuinely didn’t know it was CGI. I thought it was old videos with the giant added back in.

[@shyceWIKI]

Kane is a crazy good storyteller, this stuff is so interesting.

[@AtomicTitan1954]

I actually wonder if the Julian Giant was trying to save Wyatt in the end. When Wyatt turns to the Giant, a part of the wall falls down, and looks like a doorway. And when all the lights turn off, only one light stays on and it's lighting up that part of the wall. And at 12:50, you can take "The way out is to look at Reverchon himself" literally. Wyatt looks at him, the wall breaks revealing a doorway of some sort, but Wyatt instead runs away and it costed him his life.

[@Lanoom]

At around the 32-minute mark of Part 3, where Wyatt is first getting actively chased by the Giant, Wyatt heads part way up a stopped escalator, at which point the Giant seems to abandon the chase and and starts rolling away. When Wyatt looks toward the top of the escalator, he sees the lights of the whitish upper-area -- which sits above the AMC Theater sign -- flickering and hears what sounds like thunder. He decides to *not* go that way and takes his chance to try another path on the level he was just at, which just leads to another stone wall and the Giant chasing him again. It's that area where Wyatt ultimately ends up going, and this time the Giant takes the now-working escalator and we get the "What do you want?!" scene and what you pointed out with the wall, and similar flickering lights and thunder-like sounds. This does seem to point to the GIant clumsily trying to herd Wyatt toward a proper exit, but...I dunno. I find myself struggling with, if it was trying to help Wyatt, why The Giant would charge at him with enough force to damage the walkway Wyatt was on, pretty much forcing Wyatt toward attempting the rafter exit and his demise.

[@Proerazer]

I love how deep MatPat goes into the lore of simple short series, and I'm very happy that this is an episode that actually ends with a statement instead of leaving it on a cliffhanger. Love it!

[@oscarmeldgaard5407]

It isn't all that deep he said most of this in a video with Wendigoon

[@AFDCP]

ok what if it's a time rift, the reason the entry collapsed was because it had started it's destruction.. and maybe the giant is like Haunted or something?

[@anthonysaylor8120]

When Wendigoon was made aware that the mall AND the Giant were real, god that was comedy gold. I'm glad that this is getting even more attention, it really is Kane's best work so far. I wonder if there's a GTLive reaction on the series...

[@Camo1177]

It makes me sad that Matt missed the most important bits of lore; Wyatt is a business major, and like all business majors, his weak point is the knees

[@dafirelive]

And Kane already confirmed most of this stuff in the wendigoon reaction.

[@rosesongoku6980]

Wendigoon: (super high pitched) NUUUU!…… NUUUUUUUUUU!……. It's REEEEEEAAAAAALLLL?!

[@littlemisspicc4601]

THANK YOU!! I was so hoping someone would bring him up here. I was watching that stream live but I absolutely loved Kane's involvement with the stream. I was also so impressed with Mat and the Filmtheory team for putting together the pieces of the story Kane put so much work into. But hey, look at the giant. He has such kind eyes.

[@totallynotclickbait6114]

Mr the oldest view 😓

[@sorvoe5513]

So Kane Pixels guest starred on a stream by Wendigoon a while back and after Wendigoon completed the series, he gave him links to two hidden videos. One was basically a history of the Giant and it cut halfway through to the mall. MatPat pulled from the video made of the mall being torn down, but what he didn’t show was a section with a foreman walking through the dilapidated mall. There’s a section of the floor behind the man as he’s talking to the camera. And what do we see in a murky puddle on the ground there? A hand made of leaves. That statue stayed in the mall and ultimately died with it. I was hoping MatPat would make that connection, but his analysis of the series was still excellent

[@JakelikesSushi]

I love the oldest view because I used to go to that mall when I was a kid and is really cool that a piece of my child hood turned into something I like keeping the memory alive

[@silveramaryllis]

Wow, I was surprised to see my comment at 7:13. I just wanted to say that since leaving that comment, I have been increasingly invested in this series and watch any video I'm recommended that has anything to do with it. It's so weird to say that a story being told with horror themes has become a comfort series to me but it has. I don't have crystal clear memories of what stores my grandmother and I went to as I mostly visited this mall under the age of 10, but I do remember how much joy going shopping with her gave me. I spent some of the best days of my life there. I am grateful for Kane and his friend who helped him create the mall by hand. I have some of my own theories on the giant, I do not think that being was out to harm Wyatt at all. In my opinion, it seemed to be trying to herd Wyatt towards the emergency exit. In the part where Wyatt comes out of the back halls and starts running through the overgrown mall, you can even see a very brief and blurred glimpse at silhouettes of some other puppets blocking off another wing of the mall so Wyatt has to go up the escalators. There's also what sounds like funeral music playing during this part, as if Wyatt's time was up. And if your deduction that the document numbers relate directly to the dates, Julian's lifetime was the number for an escape. Any time he showed up, it was in a place where Wyatt wandered off from the AMC elevator access or in a place that forced Wyatt to move in the direction towards the exit. As the mall got worse, the giant got more aggressive about pushing Wyatt out. I do have questions as to why the giant is also "dead" in the ending scene. Perhaps with Wyatt dying, no one would ever view the giant again. So every memory of him is now dead. I do truly hope Kane revisits this series in the future so we get more hints as to the story hidden here. I hope he's so proud of this work.

[@UUug-qb1lg]

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[@Judge_0f_Everything]

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[@a1daid67]

​@@UUug-qb1lg why do you not like sharing stories

[@Frabbly]

This is an essay that is actually worth reading. Good job. Thank you for the info and telling your perspective on the topic.

[@JamesThePokemonHunter]

This was extremely interesting, thanks for sharing!

[@widd3878]

I actually used to go to the AMC in the valley view mall before they started construction on the complex, and it was weird seeing all the shut down stores while the AMC sign glowed brightly in the dimly lit mall. I also personally know the man giving a presentation later in the series and would be willing to share further information with you (he is the CEO of the company and the dad of a childhood friend of mine)

[@diamondswiss8026]

Funny enough I have actually been to the Valley View Mall. I visited not extremely long before its demolition, it was all dead except for the AMC. (I was there to see a movie with my dad at said AMC) I remember being somewhat creeped out by the mall but my dad just felt sad at how it all just slowly died out. But he did say that he felt that sense of nostalgia when I showed him The Oldest View. Even though he’s not really a big fan of horror, he said it made him appreciate the memories more.

[@Case2_0]

Was that random Chinese store by the main escalators still open? They had a “closing soon” display for like 8 or 9 years

[@xXbongo_masterXx]

That giant thing seriously scares me! The normal version is nice but in the abandoned mall it’s terrifying. Props to Kane.

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@SGWeber]

Very fitting too that malls are prevalent in liminal space images like the Backrooms. I believe it was one of your previous videos that mentioned how a lot of the uncanny feeling to liminal spaces is that they're ones we're used to seeing full of people. An empty mall just feels wrong because we remember how much life is supposed to be there.

[@yin3229]

Everyone honestly needs to watch this series for themselves. The dread I felt during the 3rd episode is up their even with the actual big horror greats.

[@Jen-hen]

matpat steals my theories for views and is getting filthy rich off them

[@rillegas08_vods]

@@Jen-hen You started your channel 2 weeks ago, have 3 subscribers, and the only videos you have are reposted from a shitposter. you don't have any theories to steal

[@CastHydra497]

@@rillegas08_vods It's a bot

[@Dremag_Gaming]

Kinda cool to see how detailed he managed to get the mall. But also kinda sad to see it, like others, get torn down as well. In some ways, wish I could visit a abandon mall.

[@bosco1887]

I think heard someone say the giant model actually gave Kane night terrors which just goes to how good he is

[@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakery]

Im pretty sure Kane said it himself when on a call with Wendigoon on his second channel, Wendigang, as he livestreamed his reaction to the Oldest View for you or anyone else interested 😃

[@VillagerMemerOG]

Matpat is easily the best person for lore

[@24thmurygin93]

ok sure

[@XD.73-849]

Yes

[@MonkeyBran]

True@hybridtheoryep12

[@EEE-1409]

Jesus bro you got the short end of the stick with these replies

[@kitty79er]

Facts

[@douwantabanana]

watching the oldest view made me actually scared for the first time watching a youtube series, it is just an amazing series and kane pixels did aa fantastic job making it creepy

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@darkedy8707]

I found out about this analog horror like yesterday and I was telling myself “aww what if Mat pat made a theory on this” . Mind you he retired as host by now so I am so so happy that there is content with mat I haven’t seen yet. Still watching though the theories

[@crimpcrisps]

I came here for theories, I leave missing the atmosphere of that mall. It mall was just a bit out of range for us to go to shop. But we did frequently go to see movies in the theater and it was so weird. Only about 4 stores were open, and it seemed liked everytime we went, another was closed. Everytime we'd go up into the theater I'd stare down to taped off section into the dark halls, only illuminated by the skylight

[@Rosenwood25]

The sheer flood of nostalgia that hit me when Mat put up a picture of the mall that I grew up near was crazy. Also GATHER MY FELLOW TEXANS! LET YOURSELVES BE KNOWN!!! YEE HAW!!!🤠

[@pumpkinspicehedgie]

For a while, the AMC was still open at Valley View - it was only a few safety cones and fences and such that kept moviegoers from going further into the mall. This looks exactly how I imagined it would be like to slip past those cones. It was creepy to me, as someone who’d grown up going to other malls in the area. But the Dallas history here is so fascinating. Thanks for breaking it down - this born-and-raised Dallasite learned a lot!

[@geometrak4999]

I think what really sells TOV for me is the atmosphere, and the visuals. Obviously there are a lot of interesting thematic elements to be unpacked but the scale of a project like this is so beyond me - it's astounding. Kane talked a little bit about the process during his impromptu interview with Wendigoon and Alex Kister (which I managed to catch live; it was phenomenal) and it only gave me more appreciation for the time and effort that goes into these videos.

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@thatcreatenoob]

@AtomZ713you talkin bout theories when you probably can't even do a thing called critical thinking

[@h0m3st4r]

@@thatcreatenoob Those are UTTP spam bots. Report them and their owner all.

[@littlemisspicc4601]

I loved the part when Mr. The Oldest View said "Look how old this view is"

[@acethetitle]

MatPat never fails to impress us with his accent pronunciations, and he sounds so good in French. Reminds me of how he correctly pronounces "Elytra" in a Minecraft Game Theory video. That closet he records in has somehow made his voice so iconic. EDIT: Try saying "Julien Revenchon" 5 times correctly. It ain't easy !!!

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@Janeworx]

darn bots are ruining youtube

[@everettw.9610]

To be fair, his pronunciation of Obregón wasn't perfect, but it was still pretty good.

[@mazgazine1]

I'm still blown away by just the walking around, I'd like to see a how-its-made for this one.. The CGI is insane in this one.

[@PlatypusTheorist]

I’ve known about the oldest view and the rolling giant for quite some time (longer than most of you, for umm, reasons) and I have to say this is undoubtedly Kane’s best work yet. The connections to something obscure in the real world, the work he did on the mall with corrupt, and being the first KZbin video to scare me in quite some time. Very excited to see where the series goes in Part 4!

[@wifipigeon01]

For reasons? Please, elaborate 😮

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@domachino]

Never forget the age of Ivorposting

[@PlatypusTheorist]

@@Jen-hen there was some leaks in the discord and Kane went full on 1984 :chivesdog:

[@oriongabriel6966]

The best thing for me in this project is that the backrooms wasnt Kanes. But this is his original project, and it looks absolutely amazing. And the fact that he modelled an entire demolished mall AND the big bad is an actual real thing that was featured at the mall kind of roots this in reality. And I can guarantee this woke some peoples deep and forgotten fear of that thing lol.

[@Blessing6432]

He's gotta do a theory on the movie "Elf"... ...maybe something like "Could Buddy survive strictly on candy for over 20 years?"

[@WJF441]

0:31 Ok that one was slick I will admit

[@LydiaDeKett]

Can we all agree MatPat losing his sanity is keeping ours intact, or is that just me?

[@A1r-3rr0r]

No. That’s true lol

[@VillagerMemerOG]

Yea

[@Janeworx]

darn bots are ruining youtube

[@GameName5555]

why are like 3 people saying "matpat steals my theories"

[@ThatRushyGuy]

@@GameName5555 Cuz they are bots (or people idk) that probably want attention

[@OmarHaitham-gu9sh]

am scared of the rolling giant coming back, as an scraped idea is now an main villain /monster of an Kane pixels series.

[@frong1321]

Dude my bf showed me this series a month ago, I couldn’t finish it cause it spooked me so bad but I’m so happy MatPat is covering this!! 😁✨

[@CosmicFever]

@@alsokawi no way you said that after they mentioned bf ☠☠☠

[@sleep170]

@@alsokawibro... 🤦‍♂️ your channel banner 😂

[@dob-h7q]

who is alsokawi? what did he say? does this tie in with the lore somehow?

[@shadow_man9341]

Honestly, when I saw The Oldest View it made me intrigued in a way very few analog series, or any horror content in general has in a long time. It's all so vague but in a way that it doesn't feel hollow, more like a truly crafted mistery that leaves you thinking for a while after witnessing the whole thing. So yeah, so glad the trustworthy Matpat has done it again and made a theory about it. Keep up, man! (Also Kane did this and the backrooms at only 18 years old? Jesus christ, now that's talented!)

[@flammablebook0737]

Absolutely wild to learn about the fact that the Valley View Mall I've been to before and watched slowly die has become an internet horror location!

[@Turbomun]

Literally the instant you started showing footage of the mall, I immediately went “Wait…that’s Valley View mall.” I actually went there not long before it closed down to take pictures, and it didn’t look too different than it does in the series. It’s so trippy to actually recognize the creepy place.

[@jwalster9412]

I wasn't expecting so much fear from this series, i was genuinely supprised how uncanny and scary it was.

[@drexcitement9579]

I’ve got to be honest even before the statue was shown in the oldest view the thing was horrifying like the arms when not being used are put in that weird way

[@WrathVirus]

The funny thing is both the Backrooms series and this series have both given me pet peeves. The Backrooms: people thinking A-sync created the Backrooms. The Oldest View: people think this is related to the Backrooms.

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@MrMrprofessor12345]

Slipping in a real reply, yeah, that is pretty annoying.

[@piccolo917]

Kane has said that the two series are not related and don’t share the same universe.

[@WrathVirus]

@@piccolo917 and yet people like to ignore that and pretend he didn't ever say that

[@littlemisspicc4601]

When I watched this series, the second episode straight up unlocked a new fear for me. I have never experienced such deep, intense dread while watching a KZbin series. But now I look at that giant and think, wow, he has such kind eyes...

[@Crunchedcan]

Mr oldest view has the kindest eyes...

[@chokomaru5465]

he looks like he gives the best hugs

[@erinbathie-moore8478]

Nothing has truly and intrinsically scared me like these anologue horror videos. This video intro made me jump harder than I have in years. The Backrooms, Old View, and FNAF VHS tapes all scare me in a way nothing else has... I wonder why? 🤔

[@colin9164]

I've been to this mall before it was torn down! It was so surreal watching The Oldest View and seeing Kane perfectly recreate the broken down AMC that I used to explore.

[@TheCubeTube]

As an abandoned mall enthusiast, I love these videos! I randomly came across the real mall a few months ago on Google Maps, and now it’s in this series!?

[@goatmanwoman8641]

You know this message is really good to keep in mind especially with Matt stepping down from the channels I don’t know if you did it on purpose Matt but I applaud you nonetheless. Thank you.

[@RorThor]

Game recommendation: Killer Frequency. You’re working for an overnight radio station when you’re told that there’s a killer on the loose and they’ve offed all of the town’s law enforcement. For the next five hours, you have to juggle being a radio show host and a 911 operator, all the while piecing together what the murderer’s plan is. And the thing is, this isn’t their first time killing… (But honestly, the amount of interactable lore in this game is insane! Really recommend!)

[@seanmorgan9761]

I KNEW IT! I saw the videos on tiktok and IMMEDIATELY knew it was Valley View mall... my childhood mall. That Rolling Giant is 100% real and it used to scare me a lot. It was positioned where it's head was peaking over a barrier keeping people out from going into the rest of the mall. Always freaked me out.

[@jacoboswald5731]

My wife and I went to a mall a couple days ago and I felt this nostalgia so hard and it was so weird. There were maybe 100 people in the mall and back when I was a kid there were at least 500-1000 at all times. So I was definitely getting some weird backrooms vibes. Cool to see Kane encapsulate this!

[@primitiveape210]

0:01 i thought my video was actually glitching he's a menace for doing that 2 times 💀

[@MYSTmke]

Same

[@akeepersworld]

Fr

[@nicholasfriar8612]

Watched wendigoon react to this when I first saw it and he had Kane pixels on his livestream. Seeing the mall was real after watching that horrifying video was like having the monster in the closet be real but also so incredibly cool at the same time.

[@IMYOURDICTATOR]

0:20 tell my why that scared me SO bad, MatPat

[@julian-en2fi]

I was watching in two times speed and nearly got a heart attack

[@tantrumnextlevel9290]

i just love how matpat puts a lot of effort in all his videos .especially when it comes to the ones with deep LOREEEEEE

[@MrMayMay]

Make a film theory video about the mystery gift that Clark Griswold gives his boss in Christmas Vacation

[@KekesBreakfastCafe]

Ooh yea

[@bitsandbytes0]

The feeling of this empty mall isn't dissimilar to when i visited my local mall a few years back, the Ridgemar Mall. Almost every store was closed, and the food court was just filled with abandoned restaurants. Not one open.

[@Omar-cw5gg]

I was lucky to be inside Valley View Center a few years ago. Everything was abandoned while the AMC remained open for a while. The atmosphere stood out a lot to me so I immediately recognized it in the Oldest View. I’m sad to hear it got taken down

[@VillagerMemerOG]

Matpat needs to get hired for a tv show bro

[@24thmurygin93]

of course

[@jackysbin3860]

why would he restrict himself so much and what would that even be ab bro

[@spencerman07]

​@@jackysbin3860theories ofc

[@Jen-hen]

im smarter than matpat my theories are better

[@MeLoNarXo]

Bro 4 bots in a row

[@neru5839]

Hearing MatPat cover the places I used to go as a kid is super cool. I remember when Valley View center was demolished. Right before it you could wander the mall and see maybe two people the entire time, people would only go for the AMC

[@ThalliumInfinitum]

Nice to see Matthew Patthew discuss Mr. The Oldest View giving bigger hugs to iceberg boy.

[@freezinggold8406]

Wendigang made a reaction video to The Rolling Giant and Kane himself reacted with him in the call. Towards the end Kane went into more details about his project and he shows a lot more pictures of the real giant and mall

[@DarkRizing_Gaming]

ya know i just realized that at 1:25 the computer that the video is playing on is the same computer that im watching it on. just the one difference of the logo center bottom.

[@Tom-bs7nc]

Imagine putting a slinky on those stairs

[@potatoboy6094]

I think someone once said that horror is the most human genre, it kind of sucked for me because I hate being scared, but the lore and symbolism in scary media is often the most interesting to think about and analyze

[@spoddd]

There is a video called “exploring Texas dead mall, it is the same mall and I think it has something to do with it, even Kane pixels commented on the vid.

[@Fomo_172]

The first jumpscare got me