Final Cut Pro 11: Why now?

[@trevorjmello.]

Apple please make Motion equivalent to After Effects! I want to cancel my Adobe subscription!

[@Nattodayy]

Praying for a Motion 6 man. But at the same time, I have so many plugins for AE at this point, I don’t think Motion could catch up, even if Apple really wanted it to. What I think would be better at this point would be for Apple to incorporate full Motion into Final Cut. Give me a full keyframe editor, or behaviors control, or even compound clips that work like M5s folders.

[@jessejayphotography]

Move to Resolve and drop Adobe.

[@TwistedShrapnel]

imagine if they revived Shake....

[@himynameisryan]

I feel like AE and motion are for very different use cases

[@himynameisryan]

@@jessejayphotographyswitching from premiere to resolve 🗿 Switching from Final Cut Pro to resolve 🤡

[@alex_pasquini]

My production company (5 person) is making the switch over to DaVinci Resolve currently after many years (I’ve personally been using FCPX since its launch). The Color controls, Fairlight, Fusion and collaborative workflow possibilities are superior. This 11 update for sure has me raising an eyebrow though. It feels too little too late but I’m definitely going to give these new features a trial run and see how it stacks up.

[@stalman]

There’s a lot of people in your boat, Resolve is extremely tempting and Final Cut really has their work cut out for them

[@joachimiseni6428]

I am also tempted everyday to make the switch and here and there I am learning Resolve on the side. But sometimes its the little things that let me stay there. Tiny example I recently had: I tried some Equalizier in the Fairlight Page and compared to the awesome Channel EQ in Logic and Final Cut it felt really weird and slow to use. Or that you cannot do multiple in and out points with favourites. Than the mess with tha Automatic Track Selector which feels compared to the Magnetic Timeline like a late 90s feature to me. This stuff keeps me there. The problem is that Apple doesnt offer a 1Stop production solution like DaVinci. Some stuff u simply cannot get done without relying on other Apps. And Apple Motion didnt even get the new Version treatment this time. But also I have to acknowledge, that in the last 12 months several cool features came to Final Cut. There were Scrolling Timelines, AI Color Correction and Slow Motion(both work pretty well) and now this Magnetic Mask and Auto Captions plus many more tiny features. They are actively making the App better lately. Compare this from 10.5 to 10.6 releases were every Update mostly only was that it works now with Apple Silicon. If they keep this pace in 1-2 years it will be very amazing and competitive again. I will try to stick to it. Also they announced that BRAW should be possible soon within FCP which is also an indication that they listen.

[@TheJ_G]

@@joachimiseni6428I literally just sold off my BRAW only camera because I hated all the work arounds I had to do to use it FCPX and I just don’t like working in Davinci; even though I recognize it’s more feature-rich. If they really are brining in BRAW support that will tempt me back to blackmagic. I just seem to be a ride or die Final Cut user these days after more than a decade of leaning on it.

[@ShapeofLight_PiotrStefaniak]

@@joachimiseni6428 I've tried Resolve several times...but I just can't. I know it's far superior in terms of colour control and control in general, but the workflow, no, I just can't stand it. And as you've said, FCP is just simple, working and with those new updates, even better

[@SoulSearchingLG]

Enjoyed the convo and this is a great time (at least for me) to be sponsored by Riverside lol. I’ve had both Riverside and Descript’s plan options open for a couple of days. Not sure which way I want to go though. I do a solo podcast (interviews coming) but I really just want a way to quickly caption and create vertical clips. I’ve been doing it manually but I’m ready to spend a few bucks to make it easier. In relation to this specific episode, I’ve seen a few folks mention audio issues. On my end, there seems to be an aggressive noise gate. The shortest gaps have the audio completely stripped out. It’s a bit jarring. Not stopping me from listening, and it absolutely feels like a one off mistake or something. First time I’ve noticed with your pod. Either way, thanks for the convo. Love seeing what Apple is up to. Won’t be swapping away from my Premiere workflow, but I can’t wait to see what Apple does with the Pixelmator acquisition.

[@stalman]

Yes the audio weirdness was their auto ducking and I won’t be using it again. I’ll just stick to a normal mix which works great

[@sergeylyubarsky8201]

We got Temu captions! Maybe two years from now, Apple will give us what CapCut did three years ago 🤣

[@ClassicMotorFilms]

If Apple is looking for acquisitions, getting Topaz into the fold would be the thing to send a really strong signal and could save a lot of time to market. IMO

[@stalman]

True but they did also add their own AI slow mo. I think Apple wants to choose which of their feature are important and implement them themselves, although I think they have a long list more straightforward features that are needed first.

[@ClassicMotorFilms]

@ fixing slightly off focus on faces is a godsend. Not that I ever need that lol.

[@jessejayphotography]

Agreed. They need to step up the development speed if they want to show they are serious.

[@melgross]

I think, from what I’ve seen, is that at some point, Apple reoriented FCP away from movie and Tv show editing to the vastly larger creative audience in KZbin, TickTock and other users of that type. So people who were looking back at the time when Apple came close to putting Avid out of business and backed down from that believe that FCP is no longer relevant. Maybe not in movie studios any longer, but Apple is pretty smart. Sell, or “rent” copies to millions, or even tens of millions of people, or sell to thousands or tens of thousands of people. The choice seems obvious. The features they’ve added the last few years and making it available to the iPad, is unquestionably aimed at creators, not big studios.

[@JamesZhan]

And I'm one of those people where the revamp of FCP in version X really made a huge impact. I used to dabble in video editing with Premiere (even edited music videos in it) but never really found video editing interesting nor did I ever even considered a career in video editing-well, one day I gave FCPX a try, and I was completely hooked. The entire interface just feels so much more straightforward and robust. With Premiere, Workspaces work so poorly. The saved layout would never be recalled consistently. The fact that you can undock panels and put them wherever you want sounds cool in theory, but in practice, I find myself getting really frustrated with it. FCPX's interface just feels so simple, so predictable, that I always know where everything is. And obviously this is just one of my many gripes with Premiere, but at the end of the day, I just didn't feel creative working in it. Then there's the magnetic timeline…absolutely game-changer. It makes video editing feels so fluid, so fun, like I'm an artist working on a canvas. So yeah, FCP got me into video editing. I couldn't get enough of it, and I'm now a full-time video editor working at a university, and I LOVE creating videos, but only in FCP.

[@krz909_exe]

The magnetic timeline is one of the key features of FCP. FCPX was a nightmare, I stayed a long long time af FCP7... Since May 2023 ;) it was mature enough for me :) the rest is history :)

[@bloodswarms]

The slip, calling the Apple implementation by the Davinci Resolve name for the same feature, was wonderful. 😉 I find it hard to believe that doing basic edits in Final Cut is faster than doing basic edits in Resolve, or anything else. I edit in Resolve really quickly. One of the other things that made feel like this was just an Apple Ad was the mention of the transcription speed. Transcribing audio is fast on virtually everything. Resolve, or even my budget Pixel 7a transcribes audio almost instantly. Seems like a wild thing to be impressed by in 2024. The CapCut comment was spot on. Apple is so big now; they literally forget about entire product lines they have. Hopefully they'll start to do better.

[@stalman]

Yeah, you got me 😅

[@therubbscreative]

This is where we can appreciate how powerful and advance Resolve is. Companies like Apple can’t compete with Blackmagic.

[@edjerle]

Y’all….it’s 2024 and we still don’t have modular window orientation in FCP 😒

[@JamieSandel]

I JUST WANT TO USE THREE MONITORS PLEASEEE

[@edjerle]

@@JamieSandel ikr smh

[@evindrews]

I'm going to say it: these features are WAY too late and too little. After THIS LONG we basically get AI rotoscoping and.. transcription? Seriously? What about the endless quirks and workflow frustrations? The expensive plugins we have to use because the complete lack of modern tools? This is going to do nothing to keep people from moving to Resolve. The fact there isn't even adjustment layers is telling.

[@stalman]

Yeah lack of adjustment is very weird and this won’t be enough to keep everyone. Hopefully the 11 signals that more is to come.

[@JamieSandel]

It’s like they know that all of us who care about adjustment layers have already done the motion title workaround and are like “yeah y’all got it” 🤪

[@HouseofRen]

I was Final Cut since day one of release but hit a brick wall when trying to calibrate on edits at the start of the summer. Switch to resolve and after a few months I’m faster on resolve especially with the speed editor controller and micro color panel. I use rave about Final Cut and mag timeline. Resolve is just faster overall when putting together story driven wedding films

[@oddbirds8315]

Haha, that's the first thing I thought when I saw the announcement video.. that they stole Thomas way of presenting it. While in fact he got to do it for them! very cool!

[@ScottSullivanTV]

still no adjustment layers.......

[@stalman]

Yeah, isn’t that weird? It must be a choice but I don’t get it

[@HDBnB1]

wdym? arent there adjustment layers in fxp?

[@ScottSullivanTV]

@@HDBnB1 Neither version 10 or 11 of Final Cut Pro have adjustment layers.

[@JamieSandel]

@@HDBnB1you can make a custom title using motion that functions as an adjustment layer. But it’s hacky and shouldn’t be necessary

[@jordanshipley448]

True. Thankfully MotionVFX has an Adjustment Layer title that's free.

[@mclarenf1V12]

I use Davinci exclusively. Used to use FCPX but they started to fall way behind and I took on the steep learning curve of Davinci and love the results and power BUT!!!! I simply love Magic Mask in Davinci especially when I can't control background lighting and color cast at locations I am forced to shoot at. And I just tested FCPX AI Magic Mask and MY GOD!!!! It is TWICE as accurate TWICE as fast. And the cut was better and done in real time. And this was NASTY footage of a deer walking though the forest (which is so hard for Davinci to spot what should be masked). So just WOW! May have to give FCPX another crack. I mean one thing FCPX ALWAYS has is a faster editing experience but was a little 'iMovie Pro' for a while but hmmmmmm..........I'll be looking at it again. I'll see how it handles audio cause Davinci makes a noisy interview sound like a total sound booth.

[@visual_chris]

I would not say that Final cut is falling into the consumer side anymore going forward. One word to explain this: "iMovie"

[@mrivkinr]

Can we change the captions language? For example change the Japanese to English?

[@Robroy333]

Magnetic mask is the same thing as Magic Mask Davinci Resolve has had for years. Also ducking, auto captions . Voice isolation….etc . Seems FCP is behind the game .

[@isaacbedford3644]

Final Cut is definitely the fastest and most intuitive way to edit. Unfortunately, it's lack of recent development compared to Resovle and Premiere, and inferior worflows for audio, vfx, color, and collaborative workflows (compared to Resolve) still hinders it's progress in the NLE cold war. (It's definitley the sexiest looking NLE tho! (maybe a lil too sexy for the more techy crowd)).

[@stalman]

I just hope this 11 rebrand means they want to get competitive again

[@DotCostas]

This is a great demonstration of how AI tools DON'T work for editing and can't replace a human yet. The sound was just horrendous, I thought something was going wrong with my internet connection or my AirPods. The in-video ads were a welcome break for my ears.

[@kinoromantic]

They can't replace a human but they sure help. The amount of times I've cleaned up lavaliere scratch against clothes in Davinci Resolve can attest to that

[@stalman]

Thanks for your feedback, but there’s no AI involved at any point of the audio. All it did was switch between cameras

[@DCuerpoJr]

Weird, I’m also listening on AirPods Pro and didn’t have any audio issues.

[@JamieSandel]

All I want is a color space transform tool, guys. Please

[@2424rocket]

Then learn resolve… It has the best color space in the world. Every Hollywood movie uses resolve for color if not for editing. Stop playing with this toy called Final Cut and challenge yourself, learn the real thing.

[@stalman]

Sounds like you really love Resolve 👍 so do I but it doesn’t work for my clients needs Color management is my number one request for Final Cut, that’s where it feels the most behind

[@Levi_Allen]

YESSSSS

[@matthewTobrien]

Watching this as soon as I get back from taking the fam to see Trans-Siberian Orchestra (screen content edited in Final Cut Pro!)!

[@jessejayphotography]

Why is the development of FC so slow in the first place? Their pace is absolutely glacial compared to other apps and it seems for no good reason. The market is clearly there, they certainly know what people use and want in this space, they certainly have the money (considering they have 30% of their hands in every transaction in the App Store) to develop or buy out technologies to integrate. What gives?

[@stalman]

It’s a small team. But obviously it should be bigger, I want them to be competitive with Resolve

[@ArrivingElsewhere]

I love the new features but still can’t copy masks from one effect to another 😢

[@stalman]

You can apply the mask to a duplicate layer and then add all the effects you want

[@nshanstambolyan6201]

I dont like how you cut your guest off so much. let him talk

[@Csnumber1]

Why!??? Why, do you position the notion that a full number of “upgrade” has to represent a “complete” “rebuild”, suggesting it actually needs other!?? You say Resolve has “what you want”… what!??? Coloring? Color Finale’ is fantastic!! So back to the “number”… “11” signifies, the evolution to the heavy use of ‘AI’ in the platform to complete historically time consuming tasks. And there are at least four ways to apply the Magnetic Mask. This topic or headline makes no sense as the naming of this new iteration of FCP, makes the number “11” make more sense than not!! I don’t want an “overhaul” of FCP… But let’s say they add live video recording and switching inside of FCP, it would deserve the Number “12”!

[@FoodTechLife]

Apple, the trillion dollar company that doesn’t have enough developers so it can dedicate them to one project. It feels like they jump from one thing to another. 🤔🙃

[@stalman]

As far as I know, the Final Cut team stays on the project, it’s just a small team. Too small, obviously

[@VALTECHSTUDIO]

❤

[@hellohogo]

This was super awkward ngl

[@djbakasan]

New viewer, but you keep talking over your guest :/ Not sure if there’s a lengthy delay with this guest or if it’s a common thing, but man, every time you talked over him it was like nails on a chalkboard to me.

[@IdleDaydreamer]

OMG I had the frustration throughout, please let the guest finish speaking! You can see Thomas' reaction at 49:52 😂

[@2424rocket]

You guys are funny, you're such fanboys. . Resolve is so much better than final cut. It’s a joke. Apple limits bit rate. Sometimes I need 16 bit when I’m really pushing it and when I’m using red cameras. You keep talking about speed as if that was The ultimate goal. Quality is much more important than speed. And I get paid by the hour so I’m not in any great hurry. You said resolve is intimidating… Yes, if you’re a simpleton. Otherwise challenge yourself and learn it and you will love it. Just about every major Hollywood movie goes through resolve… Nobody goes through Final cut! I know years ago final cut did not have audio tracks. Does it now? I want to put audio where I want it not where it wants it. .

[@stalman]

If you took that long you’re probably not interested in understanding why an editor makes their choices. No one is telling you to leave Resolve

[@DCuerpoJr]

Final Cut Pro 10 (Now 11) has always had the ability to add and move around audio tracks.

[@makemefeelweddings]

Resolve, final cut, cap cut, all of them have their place. Not being able to see strengths and weaknesses on each one is just dumb. There are multiple users and multiple workflows. I film and edit weddings with Sony and now Fuji mirror less cameras. I Don't want or need the complexity of resolve. I want speed and fast workflow for 2h or more footage where favorites makes me 200% or more faster than you editing the same thing with resolve. If I was doing controlled stuff, feature film, commercials and scripted stuff, sure.. I'll go DaVinci resolve. But hey... Who am I. Just a wedding videographer that learned to edit 15 years ago in avid, Autodesk smoke and also did color work on DaVinci when it was just a color software on Linux. Ahahah

[@genericuser7319]

Those Hollywood movies you talk about are colored in Resolve but very few Hollywood films are cut in Resolve- Avid still reigns supreme in that world.

[@oospagheti]

Still looks like iMovie

[@stalman]

Sounds like you haven’t edited in Final Cut

[@brunosavoca]

most of the videos, nice. this one, omg how boring!!!

[@stalman]

Woah tough crowd