Final Fantasy II (PSP) by Poorscythe (RPG Limit Break 2019 Part 12)

[@RPGLimitBreak]

Run Start: 2:23

[@cjhedrick6418]

Historian's explanation: The fact that they didn't report Joseph's death to his daughter was indicative of their guilt for failing to protect him. In the end, heroes are also human.

[@Sephirosu91Plus]

Underrated comment

[@mastadev]

they didnt save anyone in leviathan either

[@dtcharo]

I'm in the minority that really enjoys Final Fantasy II and this speed run was fantastic.

[@ClaireDiVODer]

I too also enjoyed Final Fantasy II, far more than I thought I would.

[@NeoKad99]

FF2 has its problems but its setting/mood is amazing for the time, the soundtrack is beautiful, and on top of that I found the small increments of stats you've had constantly made the game especially addicting! And honestly? I don't think the dungeons were this bad, especially since you can save at any point!

[@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774]

i didnt enjoy it but im curious how u can speedrun this

[@eatcomics]

I liked it as well. I just have a soft spot for old RPGs. And I felt like the PSP version had a decent amount of improvements. Glad I'm not alone.

[@okagron]

@@NeoKad99 The trap rooms with incredible high encounter rate are obnoxious and make a lot of the dungeons terrible. Thankfully by endgame those trap rooms seem to disappear, probably the devs realizing that those rooms are crap and unfun.

[@MrNobo15]

"You were expecting Leon, but it was me- DIO!"

[@interesting_output]

I'm still not sorry doing that.

[@Qardo]

Final Fantasy II. Basically nearly Game of Thrones. The moment you start liking a character. They dead. Yet the ones you want to die. They never do or they do meet a fate worse than death. Which is alright to some degree.

[@KyRex1783]

'FF2, basically nearly Game of Thrones' And just as disgustingly terrible!

[@Qardo]

@@KyRex1783 I don't know. I liked FF2. Yet each is their own.

[@TheGaara802]

@@KyRex1783 yes someone who agrees that game of thrones is garbage

[@NecoRobinSempai]

@@KyRex1783 FF2? You call FF15 so strangely

[@xxJing]

FF4 seems like they took FF2 and fixed the issues people had with the ff2 plot points. Like Leon becoming an edgelord traitor for pretty much no reason is manifested in Kain where it’s part brainwashing but also part of his resentment of Cecil for “stealing” his childhood crush away from him.

[@uljk5699]

Who would've thought that HP grinding and wearing an armor are one of the biggest traps for this game.

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

going further, they didn't even grind for MP at all... and while having lv16 toad for the ultimate stuff would be nice, no need to do that either.

[@mikesimmerman4457]

you can just put char casting magic on the team there you hp put char in back have em hit him self wense in back row char will miss that builds weapons all besides bows an so heavy armor or life you can still build hp an all stats just git to know how

[@hentaidude666]

@@mikesimmerman4457 even after editing that I still cannot decipher it. Huh?

[@bling0holic]

1:27:00 _"Seven shadows cast, seven fates foretold. Yet at the end of the broken path lies death, and death alone. Northswain's Strike!"_

[@DocShok]

Cool to see one of the series' black sheep being showcased

[@mariuszj3826]

Awesome run! The commentary wasn't overdone it was enormously informative, to the point, and engaging. I like the fact the runner did not try to be too funny but kept it subtle. Great job and pretty entertaining 3 hours.

[@PhantasmHCS]

The RNG and Encounter Rate near the end of this run was abysmal. Gratz for getting through it even though you went over estimate. I remember coming home and seeing this, and thought "Yep! Never speed running this game"

[@AwesomeHairo]

He was off step count, though

[@iellswo]

I remember playing this game as a kid (The remake for the GBA), and I was just sort of scarred by EVERYONE ALWAYS DYING.

[@neoqwerty]

I got wise by the second one's death to never equip anyone in the fourth slot with stuff that's unique. Then I was so paranoid about Leon leaving right before the final boss I over-leveled and underwhelmed myself. Then I got really angry because of the GBA post-game where you play as the dead guys and I didn't make Minwu useful, so I restarted the whole dang thing to not suffer so much in hell.

[@Red88Rex]

Cool run. I could relate to the Famicom comments. Playing the original version of 2 is a special kind of hell!

[@keffypoo]

Do NOT take a shot every time Poorscythe says 'step'.

[@legendslayer6558]

take my word for it, i only just woke up now after attempting it

[@cringeycronk6710]

Which ever meme lord changed the EST to Lamia Queen, I solute you!

[@kerj8580]

salute**

[@cringeycronk6710]

Kerj Yeah I fucked it up whoops

[@luliby2309]

The volume on this needs to go up a lot. Also I love that someone changed the estimation to 'Lamia Queen".

[@Laenthor]

These streams are always so goddamn silent my volume is maxed up and it's still not loud enough!

[@Vykk_Draygo]

I think you meant these streams are quiet. Silence is a lack of sound, not of volume. I do agree that the streams are far too quiet, though.

[@Panaceamedia]

It's plenty loud and mixed well on my TV or on laptop with headphones or desktop sans headphones. It's only a problem on laptop with no headphones. *shrug*

[@uljk5699]

I can guarantee you that these videos are quieter than me trying to order in a drive-thru.

[@ArtofBrandonTruster]

Ah dammit, me too! We must be cursed. Then, you have other people in the house listening to "The News" at full volume, which doesn't help.

[@ClayRoks]

Jesus, I thought the final fantasy in a nutshell was just for laughs, but no.

[@yubelsgaurd]

i was today years old when i discovered the ff9 pandemonium thing. i knew it was the same theme but didnt realise it even had the same timing if played on 2x speed

[@satelliteexile2089]

TL;DW: "noo you can't just yeet bosses with one spell" "ha ha teleport go fwoosh"

[@MrVariant]

Lol so that's why you lost so much damn HP. Thanks so much 🤣 it's funny how broken time magic generally is. Whether it's this, quick in final fantasy 5/tactics (graviga/demi 2 is half max HP, not current as other games are), or haste in ff1/3 and even Chrono trigger where it's permanent. Shame ff2 pixel remaster took away arcane dungeons. Tons of palette swaps and a backwards bow attack though. Also farmed captains for golden armor and flame bows/times with this one shot teleport at level 5.

[@Xershade]

It's not that the aoe spells are more potent on one person, its this game treats AoE's on one target as if you casted it as single target. So yes technically more potent, but all it's doing is casing a single target spell with the AoE animation.

[@alex_mula]

Man I love how clean the PSP output is. I wonder what their setup was.

[@medleysa]

Maybe a PSTV? I think PSP can hook up via component cables as well.

[@Aaron-mj9ie]

Yeah, I think it's actually being played on the PSTV or SonyTV, or whatever it's called.

[@skuli5526]

FFII is an underrated masterpiece.

[@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774]

yeah sure

[@ruxis8179]

Yea idk about that one It's not a black sheep of sorts for that era for no reason

[@obesus787]

Ruxis it has been mostly praised by critics though overall, while some criticize aspects of it the general consensus is that the game requires the player to apply themselves much more due to the innovation in leveling system and options for personalization as opposed to the first installment which offered little room for customization beyond choosing a class. People hating this game have nothing to come with aside from “I didn’t like this system because I want to min/max and some options don’t work in the long run.” Like... one of the criticisms I’ve seen was that there wasn’t a dagger with the same damage output as swords of the same level... I would love to see them stick that to literally any other entrance in the franchise. If you don’t like it that’s fair, but the game is objectively not a bad game like people say. “It was a total mess”, “you can cheat the game by doing this” etc. 90% of it is chalked up to what you as a player choose to do, the game never forces the player to do anything so if you fuck it up it’s ultimately up to you. Like ProJareds review was basically “I want to beat the game fast and the game doesn’t let me unless I cheat it and become overpowered or I’m gonna go in severely under leveled” which again is just a clear indication he just doesn’t fucking care for the game in the first place and thus doesn’t care to think about how to play it. Essentially the freedom lets you create a wholly unique character by giving it spells, weapons that you want it to have and prioritizing raising specific stats for your play style. Long comment, I know, but I have such a stiffy for this game, it was my introduction to the franchise.

[@DawnofRoxas101]

2:41:14 just the best

[@interesting_output]

all other instances of Dio after this was not from me. Serious. Pandemonium mob luck was awful, but the run was fun.

[@chris9chris99]

Great run, the volume is low, but maybe it is there to cover the fact one of the panelists keeps on makng weird soft noises . Creepy and distracting XD

[@saigvig2076]

Firion's scarf look like smile.

[@KenronTheGamer]

If you're gonna name him DIO at least capitalize the whole thing lol

[@kelvingarcia5399]

No man it's phamton blood Dio.

[@medigoomnis]

Them wivverns and their Dragoons, though...wivverns. Pretty dang quiet, but otherwise a fun run.

[@EmceeTimmyT]

2:03:25 "Its a mystery." proceeds to miss all Teleports... indeed, it was a MISS-tery.

[@CultOfJim]

This is one of the titles I consider fine art- every element just feeds into the "War is Hell" theme beautifully (especially the Famicom and PS1 Origins ports). Granted, it's not the most fun title, and certainly lacks a ton in story- but those elements tie into more of what art is supposed to do (let the consumer derive their own conclusions). Just as Slayer's "Hell Awaits" isn't for everyone, so too is FF2 not for everyone.

[@NabaniSaa]

Dio not in all caps :(

[@xenxander]

My friend was sure that FF2 took place in the 1000 year time span (at any point in this span) between the events of FF 1 and the time travel back in time, to kill Garland in the past. Thoughts?

[@obesus787]

I think there’s some merit to that, consider that Cid invented the airship, these four kids were clearly destined for greatness possibly being the prelude to the warriors of light or something like that. But yeah the airship was a one of a kind in FF1 and was considered ancient and the inventor was forgotten by most. I do believe they intended to make the games interconnected as I believe there was a direct link between FF1 and FF3 (I may be misremembering though).

[@The24thWight]

Heh. Girl talk beaver.

[@mightypancake2211]

I break this game every time I play it. >_

[@elias5429]

Who keeps making these sounds during the run?

[@ianlawvoiceover1056]

Guy on the left. I know exactly what your talking about and it was even more awkward during the stream cuz I kept hearing it as I was falling asleep and getting super uncomfortable.

[@martinfalck614]

@@ianlawvoiceover1056 he had a really creepy smile on constantly aswell. Luckily he was kinda quiet.

[@Razorflamekun]

@@MadLustEnvy To be honest, I'm pretty sure it was his first time at a marathon, and he did a VERY good job on the FF1 TasBOT run. Anyone would be nervous.

[@Panaceamedia]

@@Razorflamekun Yeah, I came to a similar conclusion. It was unnerving here but he was great on the TASBOT run. Dunno why he'd be nervous barely talking on the couch though...

[@Razorflamekun]

@@Panaceamedia He could also have some form of Teret's or something similar that makes it impossible for him to control such noises. We just can't jump to the conclusion that it was done out of malice or to disturb other people watching.

[@kironsk001]

someone explain to me how he hit 7500 on the boss?

[@quincestopher8892]

the blood sword does 1/16th of the foes life per hit and he hit it 7 times, so it was 7/16th which was like 7500

[@magdabrownis265]

How are they capturing from a psp? Every time I try the sound is jacked. Might be my capture card an elgato hd60s but I’m not sure

[@7SGThenkai]

YOUD THINK IT WAS LEON BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO....... alright, someone finish the sentence.

[@vincentanthonycoronel8958]

IT WAS ME.......

[@researchinbreeder]

Dio. Not DIO, just Dio Brando

[@Monsteretrope]

I had no idea you could use tomes in combat o.O

[@ElDrHouse2010]

FF2 protags teleported all the enemies of their land to other final fantasy games you can make that kind of lore the headcannon, the recurring enemies in FFs are all teleported monsters from FF2 lol

[@JRTIntervencion]

Estimate Lamia Queen LMAO

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

FF2 is a really good game unlike what people tell. It all depend on the way you try thing/explore different strategy. I also recommend to check how weapon/spell/stats level work before playing it and you will really enjoy the ride. Some stats increasing mechanic are not obvious like monster rank or why you should have a shield, etc. The music of the overworld is dope, you feel the pain of this world.

[@ravenstires1747]

I think similar to games like the OG Demon's Souls and Dark Souls it has to do with the game requiring more from you understanding it's mechanics before you have fun with it. Souls at least has item and stat tooltips. FF2 has no in game materials to tell you why your skills aren't increasing (needing X number of hits per combat) or your Ultima spell sucks ass. Games that naturally intuit in you how to play them get points for being "good" games. And a game like this that struggles to show you how to have fun with it/communicate it's mechanics AT ALL is why it's "bad"/worse than other FF games. It's good if you have all the nerd knowledge of how it works. I learned just today that shields increase run chances, which is a bonkers mechanic.

[@Captain_Dark]

If I remembered the program I used to download the dragonball super broly movie I would take these videos n increase the damn volume.

[@casualcrisis6349]

fr

[@p1nkfreud]

But you can do that in literally any video editing program (even Windows movie maker) or better yet, download a free volume amplifier and turn it up while you watch on KZbin, no editing required. Just remember to turn it off before you watch your next video or you could ruin your speakers.

[@Marcv1285]

does leveling your skill still works in this version by issuing the command and cancelling them and repeat a hundred time? Also can you still hit yourself just for the sake of raising your hp? I only played a snes translated version, played on snes emulator...

[@TragGaming]

PSP version patched both.

[@leargamma4912]

From what I know, the GBA and PSP versions fixed this

[@Kevinsyel]

Question: How is this Speedrun rigged up? Is the runner using a PSP-2001 with the component cables? or is there some other way they're getting streaming to the TV/Capture device?

[@KyRex1783]

from the looks of the save screen, it looks almost like they're running PPSSPP, the PSP emulator

[@Captain_Dark]

If so then wouldn't there be a line through firon? My ppsspp has a line through him

[@Sawneyrath11]

Poorscythe was on a PSP for this run.

[@neoqwerty]

Given the flickering on the name entry colors, I'm pretty sure it's either the old PSP with component cables or physically rewiring the capture device into the PSP like some of the early non-mirror-box capturing.

[@kiaoszenthos]

It was me Dio!!!!

[@matheusphilipe8614]

Game maravilhoso

[@anjoumaaka]

I don't get why they unequip everything but the shield. unarmed damage hits a point where it's damage doesn't go up enough do compete with weapons and you start using teleport tomes before hitting that point. The gear isn't worth much gil and isn't really worth selling unless you are going to employ some kind of mage strat. I also don't see a reason to do the tomes over teaching the spell to Firion. Surely there has to be a more efficient strat than all the menu swapping to equip and unequip the second shield.

[@certafan]

From my general understanding i take it that outright buying the tomes rather than teaching them cuts on mp management, and possibly levelling if the tomes, when used, are cast at a level higher than 1 (fire 2 for instance) Edit: holy cow, it casts at level 8. I do have to agree when it comes to unarmed damage, probably the cut in damage is made up by further inventory management reduction down the line and animations (duel wielding takes forever frame-wise). The shield thing was explained early in the run as boosting run speed (how, i don't know, something about evasion or agility)

[@interesting_output]

Using tomes allows the characters to cast a very potent version of the spell that isn't generally bound to the character's stats, and the only time they need to train unarmed is to the one magic-resistant boss (guarding the torch). Shields raise evasion, and training shields raises natural evasion and -- you guessed it, allows equipping better shields which means more evade. And higher evade = more successful runs. The tomes are there when the mob's evasion is higher than the party's. It makes for quick clears. Leon has a high Sword stat coming in as the final party member so he gets the blood sword for the final boss.

[@InktheImpassive]

Just don't equip weapons and your good. Is what I think.

[@biomecaNICK]

Either it is ffiv or ffvi, but I remember a "leon" being killed, and now after reding it seems he is the ancestor of squall. I love FF

[@sirbarksalot9139]

FFVI the general of gestahl's army

[@t.adamcollins2162]

Literally none of this is true. Did you read a fanfic?

[@goat9199]

Eeeempty.

[@TirpitzLuminare]

I only managed to get halfway through the run before I was forced to turn it off. The guy behind the runner making random noises after anyone said anything got old really fast... It was incredibly distracting. Not to mention he didn't add a single thing to the couch up until the time I stopped watching. Unfortunate, I really like the runner and game.

[@gerald216]

The dreadnought is where I quit ff2. I had wayyyy over leveled my heal spell, had no potions, and my mp was garbage. So I just quit. I'm sure I could have salvaged it somehow but I was so jaded by that point that I just quit. I did really like the idea of every stat leveling independently, but was not a fan of the seemingly randomness of it.

[@wildzeromusic]

[@kironsk001]

como ele hito 7500 do boss nao entendi vei, foi acumulo de haste ? tentei fazer isso e nd kk

[@THIAG0UVEA]

blood sword da 1/16 do dano no boss ele acertou 6hit e acumulou 7500 do total

[@Avenus112]

This poor game. Square could have done it so much better but they had so many constraints.

[@TheFatestPat]

This is what happens when Kawazu is involved. Comparing this game to FF3, where he wasn't involved, is like night and day.

[@nonyabusiness1755]

Hilariously it WAS done better in Romancing Saga

[@obesus787]

Linkfreak 404 couldn’t disagree more, the leveling system was a stroke of genius in my opinion.

[@neonfatum]

​@@TheFatestPat Kawazu also worked on FF1 so that doesn't make sense. It's a perfectly fine game, most FF fans are literally just too dumb or unwilling to engage with it properly.

[@Vextron-bf6ty]

F for j

[@fb1179]

cough cough cough

[@Xhelos]

F

[@allencrown]

Final Fantasy Teleport, has to be the most boring game I've ever seen.

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

Ah, FF2. The game that most people never got past the first battle in because of it being unwinnable.

[@Crinbo]

Charlie Awerbuch Wat

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

@@Crinbo the first fight in this game is designed as unwinnable. In pretty much all JRPG's losing a fight leads to a game over and you having to start over from your last save. So, many of the people playing FF2 when it first came out got frustrated at losing the first fight over and over again, and just gave up on the game, never knowing that all they had to do was wait a minute.

[@Crinbo]

Charlie Awerbuch I doubt that very much

[@TheGaara802]

@@charlieawerbuch5352 lol you made that trash up no one was that stupid

[@spokiee2000]

You guys know you can just select an atk. Then cancel it and still earn xp on weap or skill right lol hope it helps!

[@TheFatestPat]

I don't think that works anymore on the PSP version

[@spokiee2000]

@@TheFatestPat oh crap. I'm sure it works on the ps1. Version tho.

[@TragGaming]

1: Glitchless 2: Patched on PSP

[@spokiee2000]

@@TragGaming doesn't say glitchless. And ps1 is better :)

[@d3athmate]

It doesn't work in ps1, it was patched then

[@ArtofBrandonTruster]

This is the PSP version and you still walk slow as balls? My number one gripe with any RPG. Give us a dash button, for eff's sake!

[@Auchaser643]

the beans Art & Music it does have a dash button it also has a setting to have you dashing automatically it just wasn't used

[@velvetbutterfly]

@@Auchaser643dashing is only available in towns and dungeons and it is used (with a couple exceptions to preserve the step counter)

[@zealous944]

who else thinks this run would be so much more fun to watch if you couldn't punch everything to death :/

[@SonHoang-qi9xq]

How can anyone possible sit through 3+ hours of something without going to toilet even once?

[@JohnBoosh]

Son Hoang if you can’t go 3 hours without a bathroom break you should see a doctor

[@maybedos]

John Boosh 😂

[@SonHoang-qi9xq]

John Boosh Unless you dont drink or eat anything for half a day, plus youve done the toilet, you cant sit for 3+ hours without a toilet break. Try watching the time and you'll see if I'm wrong.

[@SonHoang-qi9xq]

John Boosh Oh I think you missed the "sit through" part. Stalling the need to pee and you might as well face kidney problems later on.

[@TheFXofNewton]

Stop fucking reading donation comments. - Signed every one on the planet

[@mpoadmin2978]

Holy hell this game was so bad I could never stand it

[@jarlsigurdstorvann9885]

i dont understand this run through. maria has incredibly bad scaling when it cames to hp. she feels allmoste utterly useless. while my firion and guy has 200 hp. she has like 40.. like.. cmon bruh

[@mr.battle20]

My Maria has over 2000 hp, and Firion's just a bit ahead of her. Guy has around 3000.

[@gerudokupo2225]

If you consistently keep a character in the back row, they will rarely get hit, and therefore have very poor HP and defenses.

[@darklink2300]

So hp growth in this game is directly related to stamina, after each encounter there is a % chance for hp increases just naturally and the hp increase is exactly the amount of stamina you have, which is increased ONLY by taking hp damage... so basically just get hit a lot to increase hp faster.

[@jarlsigurdstorvann9885]

@@darklink2300 yeah. but the issue is. in formation stance. when you pull them back. they get less hit, and they get more bow power, wich Maria starts with by default. and so that is always how i played ff2 as she had a default setting with formation stance and bow. she never scaled, and i never understood why. pull Maria in the front row with the boys, and she is more likly to take physicle dmg, and scale in HP as the boys do. i never knew that before

[@unfriendlyreminder5980]

Painful to suffer through all the awful jokes and desperate laughter of the nerds on the couch on this one. So little charisma...

[@DirdeeD]

They should make a new Final Fantasy game with the art style they've used on the box art and status screens for all the early games. Just make the characters actually look like their pictures in the status screen. That'd be really cool.

[@guilletrovato9226]

congratulations on boring my face of, kudos. speaking of design flaw...my god man.