Finally a Finger Tracking Controllers ALTERNATIVE! - EteeVR Controllers Review

[@Tyrielwood]

► Download Opera GX for free HERE: mtchm.de/v34rm How many Buttons do you need?

[@ForisTale]

At least 3 per controller. InEtee has an interesting idea but a hard no for me.

[@Rebel_at_Heart]

Excellent and honest review Tyriel. Pardon me but i didn't notice... Two questions. 1. Does they have any feedback implemented inside? 2. Can we use it without those steam trackers and if Yes then how/where?

[@Tyrielwood]

@@Rebel_at_Heart thanks man! So yes and yes, they have haptic feedback and they can be used without trackers, but not having anymore 6doF they try to emulate a controller with gestures

[@Rebel_at_Heart]

@@Tyrielwood thank You

[@VRScape]

My absolute minimum is what the Q2 has, although I like to have more.

[@claybones]

I really don't think I'll get any controllers without a thumbstick until it's something that works PERFECTLY

[@smakajo400]

Yea, coupled with an accelerometer and a UI specialized for hand interactions.

[@jonnyparkkinen1013]

Thumbstick and trigger is a must in most games. Other games you can just go with pure hand tracking if you want immersion

[@carlosdot]

Completely agree, especially having tried psvr1

[@xonxt]

or a Hall-Effect thumbstick maybe...

[@ytmaxxammo8591]

Or a trigger I play too many games with guns lol

[@Waffle4569]

Gesture based systems are fundamentally less practical than physical buttons. Even if the gesture detection was perfect, which it never is, the biggest drawback is there is no physical feedback that you just performed the gesture correctly. When you press a button or pull a trigger, you know exactly when you've clicked it in enough. When you move a stick, you can feel how off center you are.

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

I have the same opinion about physical buttons in cars.

[@vicktorfilmbusker5492]

I'm happy that someone's at least trying to make new steamvr controllers. But for me, the best solution would be if meta allowed their quest pro controllers to be connected directly with steam via WiFi and be used woth any headset. The tracking is amazing, the size is perfect and there's no need for base stations. The only problem is that they only work with quest pro and quest 2.

[@davisbub7890]

The pro controllers don’t work in the dark unlike base station tracked ones

[@vicktorfilmbusker5492]

@@davisbub7890 That's true, but why would you need to play in a dark room? I mean, you wouldn't know the difference anyway while in vr. I just think it would be a great option, because they are amazing to use, and much cheaper than base stations and controllers combined, and without the hassle to set it up. Self tracked things is definitely the future of vr.

[@kyleirelandtech]

CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro - Valve Index Thumbstick Isuse 0:14 Etee Reach Out 0:19 The Etee SteamVR Controller 0:33 Should you consider them? 0:37 Sponsored Message - Opera GX 1:27 Etee Controller Information 1:32 No Buttons?! Sure! Capacitive 1:50 Fingers 2:33 Unboxing 2:42 Unboxing: Controller 2:43 Unboxing: Trackers 2:50 Unboxing: Start Guide 2:53 Unboxing: Two Cables 2:55 Unboxing: Inserts 3:00 Controllers Close Up 3:05 Sliding Controller On Hand 3:19 Power/SteamVR Button 3:26 Quick Thoughts on Controllers Quality 3:31 Attaching Steam VR Etee Tracker to Etee Controller 3:38 Hopefully Valve Index Alternative? 3:48 Talking about Inputs 4:09 Quick thoughts of controllers in hand 4:15 Wearing Rings can be an issue? 4:24 eteeConnect Software: Gamepad? 4:31 EteeController Gestures 5:01 Movement? / Etee Thumbsticks? 5:11 Movement frustration? 5:29 Pinch Gestures - Active Controller Grip and Grip 5:41 Touch Pad - Sensitive to touch? 5:55 Pinch Gestures Continued - Active Controller Grip and Grip 6:21 Big Problem? - Gestures Are Complicated - Have to Think 6:39 Being Honest - Can Feel Clunky? - Usage Dependant 6:47 Game Support? - Community SteamVR Layouts 7:12 Where the Etee Controllers Shine 7:29 Where the Etee Controllers might be complicated? 7:47 It was hard to make them work? Issues 8:30 The Etee Team - Previously seen at OC5 8:42 I really wanted to use these - Problems 9:30 Looking forward to the Future of Etee Controllers 9:48 Availability - Etee Website 9:54 I cannot suggest them - As of Now / Current State 10:37 Build Quality 10:43 Companies Deserve a Chance - didn't want to make this video 11:22 What are YOUR thoughts? - Watchers 11:25 I REALLY recommend the Etee Trackers - Light and Accurate 11:38 Closing message

[@Naugrimsilvertree]

I feel like the touchpad sensitivity issue could be improved if it was force sensitive. If it only moved the hand model with light touches, but emulated a joystick with harder presses, that seems more natural

[@Tyrielwood]

That might be a solution as well!

[@keiz_]

Honestly, I'd mostly be interested in these controller for VRChat more than anything, as someone who uses the Quest 2 paired to a PC. Otherwise, I feel like index controllers would be the better way to go. I would be interested to see how these hold up in beatsaber compared to the quest 2 controllers.

[@Mithros69]

Your honesty is refreshing. Thank you! 🙏

[@soubrunoo]

It's just me or this video has a Quest 3 headset on the back in 4:43 and it's from February this year??????

[@Eskoxo]

in conclusion niche product that creates more problems than it solves because someone really wanted to avoid adding a thumbstick on top and 1 trigger button. I think if they were smart since they already created the USB c attachable steamvr tracking module they could theoretically make different kinds of controller attachments like a gun one for pavlov etc specific games.

[@superdiego.g]

They really thought that a controller with nothing but capacitive touch as input would be a good idea whilst making it MORE expensive than index controllers (312 usd), this thing is just not going to sail. This guy has a lot of audacity to even remotely think of calling this an "index controller alternative"

[@juancarlosgonzalez8950]

I'm just not sure that an attachable USB tracker will survive all the wall and monitor punches that my Index controllers have.

[@Eskoxo]

@@juancarlosgonzalez8950 think i rma index ones like 5 times always issues that I actually have a spare set of them soonas current ones something breaks...

[@ZatiCoh]

Unrelated question for you Tyriel, but how do you like the pixel watch? My Samsung watch 4 is give out on me and I’m looking for a new smart watch for my pixel 7.

[@Tyrielwood]

Actually it's not bad at all, I upgraded from a Huawei watch, I have to say that it's very snappy and battery life is very good, but I need to be more careful with the glass, it's so curved that you can't put any cover on it, and I wish the screen was a bit bigger, but for how I use it (notifications mostly and time) well, it's good 👍👍

[@Rhomagus]

Wow! That's exactly what I had hoped the Index controllers would be.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

ew

[@multipass1170]

Definitely a cool concept but I agree I think a thumb stick is needed for movement. And maybe at least 1 button or 2 to help with gripping actions. Otherwise very cool idea!

[@nemonomen3340]

The thing about these sorts of sleek, buttonless controllers is that they’re trying too hard to do what haptic gloves do but without any force feedback. I love the thought of a future where good haptic gloves are widely affordable, but right now you need a controller to feel like you’re pulling a trigger.

[@ArchivedTony]

Anyone know what the game is at 0:59 ???

[@Llamu]

looks like village

[@ArchivedTony]

@@Llamu thanks 🙌

[@jamesyoungerdds7901]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this (I only comment after the first 20s of a video, and never read any other comments 😆), but that thumbstick controller issue can often be fixed with "electric contact cleaner spray". It's still fantastic there are alternative controllers, though, not taking away from that! But I was having the same super-frustrating issue with Quest 2 thumb stick. When I started asking around, this was the fix and it worked! "WD-40 Specialist" makes a version, and there are others if you search (I used Canadian Tire's version), but wow - worked like a charm. Spray it in and around the thumbstick, move it around a bunch, and wait ~1hr. Probably not for all cases, but worked for me and worth trying 💪. But if not, for sure get those replacements 🙂

[@ReeksofChees3]

can't recommend that WD-40 electric contact cleaner enough! every time my Q2 thumbsticks start to drift, even a little bit of that stuff makes it feel like it's brand new

[@lemonsquizzlez]

he has a meta quest 3 in the background? WHAT

[@protoretro1290]

it may be possible to add a few buttons and especially a thumbstick through the usb c port.

[@Beno951]

I love this "knuckle clip" design. I hope more controllers use this in the future. BUT no buttons and no joysticks wasn't the right call. At least not yet. Every game out there still relies on traditional button input. Having these controllers with buttons would be a dream. Oh and even better would be if they worked with Quest and inside out tracking. But I guess that will never gonna happen.

[@Vr_Demon_]

Rather wait for the Deckard package. My index controllers still work perfect.

[@SneakyJoeRu]

Man, it's not an alternative if they are even worse than Pimax controller function-wise

[@Colden534]

Htf did you get a quest 3

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Should get a standard for inside out tracked controllers, so 3rd parties could make controllers.

[@ArchivedTony]

I’ve been incredibly lucky with my index controllers, my nightstand has multiple dents in it from smashing my controller on it and they’re still not broken 😂 glad to see there’s finally a different option tho, I know a lot of people have the issue

[@irondennis1]

would you need an external tracker or are they build in to the controller trackers? either way, these look so convenient and nice to play with despite the mentioned flaws

[@Deighvihd]

They are steamvr tracked, so you need lighthouses

[@Kana_108_]

thank you a lot for the honest review!!

[@kyleirelandtech]

I have preordered these. SteamVR version including the tracker modules.

[@sertralino]

Hand tightness isn't adjustable from what I see :(. Or am I wrong? I want to buy it, but seems like my hands wouldn't fit

[@RockTheSlayer]

ye I would make my own custom headset and controllers when Im older but mixin the psvr2 reload and graphics with pico 4 each headset costs 500 dollors and the contollers thats wht I would defenetly work on

[@The.One.True.B]

Sticks on my index controllers work fine but the battery in the left one died within two years. It won’t hold a charge at all.

[@joebloggs8900]

Seems like this is primarily for vrchat. Without a haptic feedback trigger they seriously dropped the ball. A trigger is essential. They would need a trigger adaptor to contract with the tracking halo to fix this oversight

[@VinTheFox]

Sounds like they'd work well with a virtual controller for when you would need buttons and directional pads instead of a free hand. Kind of like a software keyboard on your smartphone - it's not part of the app you're using but it pops up when you need it. You could hide the controller simply by not putting your hand near it. Haptics might help with using it when you're looking the other way.

[@DeijIsCool]

would the self track if paired with the quest 3?

[@Bluth53]

Thank you for your honest review on this and all other bin mainstream products! F Opera GX

[@pastelthedevil2662]

Wait, so I'm confused. Do you have to use the gesture system, or could you just map it directly to any of the force sensors? Thank you for the clarification, and great video!

[@QuixoticPenguin]

This is going to be pretty epic for beat saber. I'm excited, I'm getting to a point with competitive beat saber where the Quest 2 connected to my PC is not cutting it, I'm considering getting a used HTC vive and these controllers.

[@Tyrielwood]

Well, that's for sure a good use for them!

[@SuperMarijus]

why donwngrade to a vive ? just get quest pro controllers

[@TheGameGuruTv]

@@SuperMarijus latencyy over usb is too high for top tier scores, Display port and lighthouse tracking, eliminates anyy issue with tracking, if you got a beefy pc that is well configured,then its just up to your skills,no excuses

[@TheGameGuruTv]

@@SuperMarijus but yeah could not go back to a vive as well lol

[@datsurb7623]

I would highly recommend reading Rockers thoughts on these controllers before buying them for Beat Saber. In short, the tracking simply does not hold up for fast-paced competitive play.

[@panagiotisgalinos]

All those controllers are last decates devices. The new standard must be hand interacting with hand tracking device - like the positional tracking devices that oculus rift had and CAN be used for this purpose with ML and AI - or feedback gloves

[@mjcox242]

I would consider these if they where cheaper than knuckles, sub 100 GBP would be a price I would consider

[@otislouison8194]

Is that the quest 3 in the background ?

[@thomasphilly132]

Whoaaaaaa now these are... interesting!

[@Loz_Lazlo]

Bro lookin like mr.beast in that thumbnail 💀

[@ValaKneeko]

Im curious y they don't just make gloves that use the same gesture system as the controllers

[@Smapy-ow6sp]

how do you have a qest 3 in february?

[@madsr57]

Ordered mine August 2022 and still waiting. Every time I ask them they keep saying next quarter. Do you have any reliable info on these or should I cancel and get refund?

[@grahamkinzett9477]

I ordered mine in October 2021. Still not arrived. There's been issues due to Covid and then manufactoring problems. I've contacted support several times and they keep telling me to wait a little longer, months go by and nothing. All they've done is directed me to a knowledge base article that doesn't really tell me anything. I'm getting a bit pissed off with continually waiting. If they don't arrive soon I'm cancelling my order.

[@grahamkinzett9477]

They have now thankfully arrived.

[@TheCangar]

Ayo I have had the index from the very first batch and aside from the slight drift at some point, the controllers were totally fine. I rma'd them for good measure and the new ones are also totally fine. I don't know what y'all are doing?!

[@sketch-ot]

How do you have a quest 3?!

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

maybe im just lucky because my index thumbsticks haven't broken yet and its been at least 2 years since i got it

[@jjimapro9756]

So this is called a second pair of controllers for beat saber

[@Wolf_Kami]

I have the Etee controllers i have tried EVERYTHING and i would NOT consider buying the ETEEs right now they need to update ALOT of software.

[@christopherblair3667]

WTF! That looks like a quest 3 in the background! Just a prop? Or the real deal?

[@netshaman9918]

Thx for this !

[@pokepokepoke64]

Why would you build a steamvr controller that doesn’t work with steamvr games

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

I have valve index controllers and if they break a few months after I start using them than I am either buying etees or Vive wands instead. If what everyone says is true than valve needs to stop messing around and fix the durability issues people have been talking about with their controllers. What makes me paranoid about this is I bought mine but I never got to even use them yet

[@BOX-BEAUIDEAL_KOTAKE]

I'm still more used to handles with physical buttons.

[@pauldavies2358]

Pimax made controllers without a thumbstick..and it didnt go well. We just like that analogue feel

[@randomguy-]

This could have been great ... if they added buttons and a joystick.

[@Tyrielwood]

even just thumbstick on top and triggers 😶

[@Mennenth]

These are loaded down with more force sensors than the index controllers. I really wish people would stop focusing on the gestures and use the force sensors as direct alternative to buttons.

[@lorsch.]

@@Mennenth good point. The Index controllers just have force sensors for the general "grip" (and on the trackpad). The biggest miss still seems to be the missing thumbstick.

[@christopherblair3667]

Why are the trackers removable?! that is a week point... It looks like beat saber is going to be a pain... looks like the trackers will fly off.

[@wobniarsheep224]

Considering u can get index controllers for cheaper straight from steam, I’ll just stick with that

[@volman13n0]

I'm waiting for index type controllers thar work with stand alone headsets quest and pico controllers are to Small

[@TheOneWhoAskedForYourOpinion]

kiwi controller extender with the knuckle grip: "am i a joke to you?"

[@justlafver4931]

Wait a damn minute, I'm very confused now. How does this man have a quest 3 in February of 2023??

[@rlam905]

He made a mock up of the specs and dimensions leaked by SadlyitsBradley.

[@sampsmith81]

Nice idea but definitely needs more work. It shows when not implemented well trying to simplify things actually makes it more complicated. With that less immersive trying to remember unnatural hand gestures.

[@Fiztex553]

Wow, just wow 🤨 Tyriel, I get that you are a nice guy and always trying to stay positive, but in these circumstances it doesn't even look appropriate. Anyone who bought this crap have a full right to be pissed, since they don't work as controllers. You can't control shit with those, they should've called those sticks uncontrollers, would have been a more appropriate name for sure. Gesture system for VR is definitely not for games which are out right now, the lack of a simple feedback is a fundamental flaw of such approach. How to even fire a gun without feeling a trigger pull?

[@SINfromPL]

he is a vr youtuber, he HAS TO be positive about everything, cause if he isn't, then he can only talk about new quest 2 face gaskets and controller grips. yeah, fuck him. just another sell out trying to make a living by covering everything

[@darkshadowsx5949]

we need haptic gloves that dont cost more than a used car. so your fingers stop when they collide with virtual objects. that way you actually feel like your holding a sword or something.

[@orzeeee]

honestly....i wouldn't mind allot of the issue if they had a trigger. most of us play shooter games...that would be nice to have

[@hoofstermon2982]

I'm gonna stick it out and hope it gets better, mine are getting sent this month

[@jas9574]

I'm thinking how much people like this could also just be down to preference alongside the actual functionality. I'm also waiting on my Etees. There probably will be something of a learning curve when figuring out exactly how hard you will need to grip woth your finger to activate a trigger input for instance. The force needed I think will be customizable.

[@03boogie76]

It's just a Vive Wand with finger tracking basically

[@netshaman9918]

For movement , use your feet ! ^^ ' with a WoVR for example .

[@MethosOhio]

The Oculus touch controller design used for the Quests works really really well. You're going to have hard time selling me on anything else. I'd love it if they would add finger tracking to those and use more durable/replaceable joysticks. But aside from that, they are nearly perfect. I want buttons and joysticks. I want reliable input that provides resistance and haptics.

[@LightningJack]

Is that quest 3 in the background a real HMD or is it just 3D printed?

[@sembalo1776]

yeah i noticed that too, wondering the same thing. hmmmmmmmm

[@Llamu]

its 3D printed. He has a whole video about it on his channel.

[@sembalo1776]

@@Llamu ooh ok lol nice, kinda suspected that since it looks exactly like that 3d model someone made

[@LightningJack]

@@Llamu But the Quest 3 is there in the background in that video too

[@leinadreign3510]

I like buttons. I can feel them with my fingers and rest my finger even on them without activating. They work perfectly. I really hate touchscreen keyboards because of all the drawbacks (im using an Blackberry sooo... Keyboard for the win ^^). Touch pads cant give you the right feedback, gestures in the air will give you none. YOu dont know if you made something right and will be 100% dependend on your eyes (and maybe ears, if there is a audio cue). But the touch sense will be completely stripped away and stuff starts to become bland.

[@BunkerSquirrel]

My index controllers are super old. they're so old the thumbsticks are failing and they're rusting. RUSTING.

[@ScornfulSix]

Hey if you have a broken/drifting stick, there are tons of people out there that know how to replace them. Me being one of them. Look for someone to do it for you, get those sticks right my dood

[@Lameless]

Why so many chapters on a 12 minute video?

[@SuperMarijus]

look very cool and futuristic for sure, the problem holding them back is developers will never develop games to fully utilize their hardware capabilities and unfortunately thats whats gonna doom them to be a novelty collectible item at best

[@MarStrMind]

I backed this project two years ago, paid full price. They arrived two days ago - and then I learned one needs Lighthouses to use them. Waited two years for nothing and wasted quite a lot of money. 0/10 - do not trust Etee. They never mentioned the Lighthouse requirement. This comment should obviously tell you that I don't have Lighthouses and have no intention, or capability, to install and/or buy them.

[@myriadtechrepair1191]

A non-conventional controller at nearly double the price of a pair of knuckles is a pretty hard sell...

[@peshozmiata]

Why are most steamvr-compatible controller manufacturers allergic to good design? If i wanted to move without a thumbstick i'd just use Vive wands. An Index controller with a dead thumbstick has more functionality than these.

[@CJ821_]

I feel like this controller would be way better if it just included a thumbs ticket instead of a finicky TouchPad. This just feels too soon for what vr currently is.

[@rasputinspimp9043]

That thumbnail tyler god dammit

[@alexarose2996]

Its got smaller not cheaper maybe in 5 years isnt the quest2 is like 350 400 dollar yep its doa

[@blakeks8520]

unboxing: two cables

[@Izzy-cf2gk]

what the hell did you say at the end of this video?

[@omniaesthetic1256]

These seem really slick and well made, but they also seem like a case of a designer prioritizing form over function. Maybe they work better for a productivity setting but, at least for games, buttons are used to engage actions that are too complex for simple hand and finger movements, without having any kind of tactile feedback. Hopefully they’ll make some kind of addon to bring the buttons back. Otherwise, these just aren’t practical for games.

[@Superkia75]

I feel bad because I want Etee to succeed, but I think VR games have moved toward buttons and joysticks, making Etee not suited for most VR games. I also think camera hand tracking ala ultraLeap\Quest will take the remaining market share Etee is going for. Wish them the best, but as your review shows, there just isn't much value to them for the average consumer.

[@niklaskras5498]

why not have something like a glove?

[@superdiego.g]

okay sure but what about the price?

[@brightdragon8578]

that thumbnail says MR BEAST

[@naaaaa-t5x]

those controllers are half the price of an idex itself

[@nolandderlugner1351]

Its either joystick or a catwalk vr, else it dont work

[@K0MAT0282]

Dude for the full thing is 1299$😢

[@3d1stp3rs0n]

LOL, great controllers, but you still can't use them. Is "Opera gx" so good that I can deinstall Chome?

[@ArchivedTony]

Yes it’s fantastic 💯

[@ack0x06]

"... given the design they don't really like you to be married", LOL! So these things are actually geared towards the incel gamer crowd? /s

[@-Sunny--]

300 dollars for that!? would not "take my money"

[@tnylilrobot]

dang such a disappointment. Wish they wouldve just added a few buttons like a trigger and thumbstick so its usable.

[@MommysGoodPuppy]

yean i just wouldn't buy these without a thumbstick unfortunately

[@inceptional]

Yeah, anyone making controllers who thinks that buttons aren't needed at all is an idiot, especially if they even remotely expect the controller to be used with games at some point, and they shouldn't be designing controllers as far as I'm concerned. Also, of course we use buttons in the real world, all the time in fact. They're just not built into our hands. But they are there on a crap-load of the devices we use on a daily basis. So, unless we can somehow magically simulate all those different external physical buttons in some controller that has no buttons, or via some mystical nothing at all physical method, we really do need some buttons on a typical VR controller for it to be practical in any meaningful multi-use sense, and 1005 so when it comes to gaming (same is true of thumbsticks and the like also). Basically, while interesting, these controllers are just utterly pointless when the vastly superior Quest and especially Quest Pro controllers and the like already exist, at least if you consider gaming even remotely relevant in VR. And, just to add to that, right now most hand/gesture control is far too young and clunky as a technology to be a meaningful alternative for anything other than some gimmicky uses, so I really wouldn't encourage anyone who's pushing for that in the here and now. They clearly aren't properly in touch with the reality we're all living in--pun intended.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

No buttons or triggers or stick... Horrible. The future is gloves, but even those should have a stick and two buttons on top of the index finger.

[@SINfromPL]

this comes from a company who considers xbox controller to be impossible to understand for majority of humans on earth

[@FiliusFidelis]

It does look pretty dope, but man, touchpads, not a fan.

[@Migue_BC]

I want a cheap alternative for my G2 controllers (index controllers are too much), but without joystick and buttons...

[@joebloggs8900]

G2 controllers are so so shit. Yeah index is expensive of you need to get base stations plus watchman dongles. Dongles are like 100 usd on top of controllers and base stations. However the index controllers are literally 5 times better than g2 controllers. Tracking is so so much better. G2 controllers just feel like cheap plastic compared. Battery life I found also was incredibly poor compared I've owned vive og vive pro, index and g2v2. Current rig is g2 with index controllers . When I got my g2 I was getting so frustrated with the controllers after going from the index and waiting on the dongles to arrive. Worst vr controllers I've used. I am a shooter player so controller precision is super important. I found the g2 controllers drfted so often. Incredibly frustrating

[@ruevr6753]

​@@joebloggs8900 plastic of index controllers are pretty crap imo. Other than that, they are really good.

[@HikikomoriDev]

Don't really see a reason.... A glove would outdo any of these controllers any day. Don't know why VR is not played with gloves, VR gloves have been around for decades, this form factor here shown is cumbersome, I don't know why they keep expanding on that idea.