Valve Index Controllers VS HTC Vive Wands | Should you upgrade in 2020?

When the HTC Vive was first announced, I was finally sold on virtual reality’s potential; but it wasn’t the headset that convinced me. It was the 1:1 tracked controllers that were unparalleled at the time; they were clunky, featured gigantic touch pads instead of joysticks, and still to this day cost $130 apiece to replace--but they were the only thing out there, and they were amazing. Here we are four years later--and many vive owners are left wondering whether it's finally time to update their controllers.
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[@Rin_Nya762]

Thought I should say this. Beat saber has an ingame saber tailor. You don't need the mod anymore. But the mod is still better in customization wise. But the in game fixes the issues you stated. (From what I have heard from friends who use index controllers) just letting you know :)

[@TopSpecMedia]

Just figured this out recently! I pinned your comment to hopefully help prevent people from hearing misinformation :) - Aaron

[@Rin_Nya762]

@@TopSpecMedia ayy, first time ive got a heart and a pin at the same time! Thank you so much!

[@sayu181]

Your youre ur u r yo'ure 'youre 'u'r u'r welcome

[@mellowmanta8975]

thank you! I just put in an order for the index controllers and was a little worried about this. Perfect.

[@Rin_Nya762]

@@mellowmanta8975 I'm still waiting on the full kit ;-; But from what I heard, you can mimic the wands placement if you do wish, it is finicky but there are placement tutorials or shall I say numbers, on reddit and other places, it also helps to spend some time to mess around with it to get it where you're comfortable with. Hope this also helps :3 And keep in mind, this is coming from someone who plays beat saber pretty much religiously. So I was also worried when I heard the words "saber placement is very off and feels weird" stomach dropped. But then realized what saber talor was for. But then they added the in game adjuster. Soooooo, that helped me with my doubts. Now I cant wait! cause I heard the index controllers are amazing for beat saber mainly cause you can relax your hand while playing thanks to the controllers gripping your hand and not letting it slip off! So I'm excited! :3

[@jackedwards1255]

How is this quality only giving you 1k subs? instantly hit the sub button when I saw the quality!

[@TopSpecMedia]

thank you!!

[@triczzy9253]

i thought the same like wtf his quality is really good

[@pickeljuice9325]

playing with the index controllers on beatsaber is so much better, adjust saber angle and youre golden. end of story.

[@slaplimited6085]

Great review, being a VIVE owner and first seeing these controllers first announced made be slightly jealous and when it was confirmed you could use them with the VIVE it felt like a necessary upgrade but I’ve been waiting for a video like this to pop up. After watching this i think you’ve helped make my decision in purchasing these. Like you said you get Half Life with these which actually makes the price of these come down to 200 in reality.

[@TopSpecMedia]

Glad it helped guide you! I’ve actually just paused playing alyx myself right now to respond to your comment :)

[@metrinui]

This is a VERY quality comparison/review. Keep up the amazing work! You have my support!

[@TopSpecMedia]

we are so appreciative of your faith in us! More to come!

[@limontree476]

Super helpful and insightful! I bought the Vive Pro back in November and really enjoy it, but the knuckles tech for the index looked really tempted. Initially I was planning to sell the Vive and get a full index kit before I discovered that they are compatible, but now that I know this and have heard great advice on their quality I'm putting in an order for just the controllers right now. Now to sit back and wait the expected 8 weeks

[@TopSpecMedia]

Hope they come quicker than expected! I've seen some success from some other people in this comment section haha. I'm happy you enjoyed the video! - Aaron

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Awesome. Surprised this channel isn’t bigger. Great objective/subjective info / decent production. Thanks for your time & words.

[@sampelnick4530]

Ordered index controllers to go with my vive and it seems like they are shipping 6 weeks early!

[@TopSpecMedia]

fingers crossed you get them soon!

[@lucashenriques4242]

is it possibvle to track controllers witouth the headset?

[@frailvr3826]

Lucas Henriques what do you mean?

[@zigmundfreiheit7222]

@@lucashenriques4242 no? the headset and controllers use base stations to track them and the controllers wouldnt be seen anywhere except for in a headset

[@GeelDePedra]

@@lucashenriques4242 you can use the HTC Vive base stations and headset, and use the Valve index controllers yes.

[@ethansoo1070]

Valve index controllers are better than the vive for beat saber because of weight distribution. This is well known in the beat saber community, but thanks for the vid. It helped!

[@titansbeats3483]

I have the wand 2.0 and just bort valve index controllers for 1107 I'm in NZ so new Zealand doesn't sell them controllers so I had to buy off eBay from USA but again my friend had the 1.0 wands and he was losing tracking like crazy and he was like rank 8000 and now he got valve index and he's 2000 something in the world I'm 3888 at the moment and my tracking for the wands I reckon play good with every game but beat saber with jumps and pog maps it's tough very heavy and my wrist bursts in pain from the speed and it can't keep up with the speed I passed the hardest rank song SC sacrifice that heavy metal song and I got 59 with the wands pretty pround to finally pass it never fort I was gonna be able to any time soon but with me with my wands some days tracking is good and others it lets me down well for easier songs tracking is hella good it's ranked like 13 to 16 star songs that start to be a problem I can still pass at times but it makes me miss notes at times where I see I cut through but says I miss and it does this alot lol it's likenmy controllers have there own mind I don't feel like cutting this block today ohh I will cut all the other ones so u get one miss so annoying but like for any other game I love the wand controllers I also use bgrip so flip controller upside down and put two fingers in the hole of the controller and then I have alot of grip also my grips are wearing out like keep getting lose fornthe wand controllers 9nky ever a probeom in beat saber on really really fast maps

[@LimbaZero]

I was preorder group (HMD + controllers). Total update to vive experience was good and for vive pro fov and audio+mic was better. If you are still using original vive recommend to make HMD update if you have good computer :)

[@snackdaddy185]

Thanks for the video. I was finally able to place an order from valve yesterday. Btw they were called knuckles in development but officially called the index controllers.

[@davidandrus323]

Great review, well done video

[@TopSpecMedia]

Thank you!

[@iGetPoints]

So few views for such a high quality video, thanks!

[@TopSpecMedia]

thanks! :) hope it helped out.

[@TrueShotVR]

I love the way You're talking. Great video.

[@acetown2263]

Got a free vive from my brother when he upgraded to the Index, the only caveat was the wands with the vive were kinda janked, and the touchpads glitch out sometimes. They still work decently well for most games, but I'm so hype to buy some index wands, and eventually an Index =D

[@SamN22]

Love your videos really underrated ✌️

[@jordirapper]

No question about it. You should. I do still prefer the Wands for very specific games. I actually use them for Beat Saber cause the Index feels off (yes even with the adjustments) and the vibration is way stronger in the Wands.

[@slimyelow]

totally agree, even though I never tried the Index yet

[@scorpie4795]

This guy is underrated you earned a sub man!

[@GregFliesVR]

went to the comments to make a count dooku reference but someone already did. Nice great review man!

[@TopSpecMedia]

Thank you!

[@DoctressZ]

you can edit the angle of the sabers in the settings

[@TopSpecMedia]

Just found this out. They must’ve added this in an update because it wasn’t possible when I tried it a couple months ago.

[@TornadoSandwich]

I use a community binding call “finger swords” that does exactly what it sounds like, makes the sabres parallel your extended pointer finger

[@jasonle9596]

@@TopSpecMedia Judging by your explanation in the video, your right it does seem like a light annoyance at first for a newcomer. However I tell myself to remember that wherever you point your thumb, it's where the blade will shoot out. So you can either treat it like Count Dooku's lightsaber or as others have pointed out adjust the blade angle on Beatsaber

[@mick2d2]

Thanks for the review! (Subbed!) Been thinking about getting these for a while, but lack of "finger" compatible games is a bit off putting. Any idea if VTOL VR supports index finger tracking?

[@basementmicrowave3989]

here before 100k subs. Your gonna blow bro pinky promise

[@Willisvenom_0]

Posting on my Sons account so apologies for that, but I've recently got a Vive, got it refurbished directly from Vive themselves about 2 weeks ago in the UK, but after watching this video I'm definitely considering getting the Valve Index controllers because I play mainly Boneworks and Pavlov VR at the moment, awesome video and great comparison, I'll be subbing :)

[@TopSpecMedia]

Glad you enjoyed the video! Enjoy the controllers if you end up getting them :) - Aaron

[@shearooney4467]

Good review!

[@evolicious]

Great review! I'm a OG Vive pre-order'er batch 1 back in 2016 and was a pre-order first-batch for Index. Everything you stated was spot-on! Would be great to also mention for those looking into a used OG Vive to make sure to get v2 wands (blue strap) which have been around for about a year now. The v1 wands had tons of issues with the trackpad pad getting worn out. I've got 7 of these fuckers sitting around and only one of them is in working order, while my blue strap v2's have been heavily used in the Onward league and are yet to have a single issue.

[@trysky360]

Wow i dident know there were different verisions of the wands i have the ones with blue strap and they have no issue. Good to know

[@andrewnagus7007]

beat sabers settings has a controller adjust option where you can change the position and rotation of the sabers to match what you like

[@darkoverdarkch]

Holy! 3:18 When you threw that I jumped bc I just got those xD

[@gordonbourbonbiscuit]

Hey dude, so I'm 40 now, my hand joints arent quite what they used to be, probably because there is some arthritis running in my family and I'm likely getting early twinges of that, especially in my right hand and I use the Vive Wands atm, I think having to clench the grip buttons which run along the sides of the handles is really messing up the knuckles of my middle and third finger on the right hand. Do you think the Index controllers might help take pressure off them?

[@ThunderDraws]

yeah the knuckles are just great, grabbing stuff by actually grabbing it feels super natural - e.g. guns in pavlov I just hope the stick drift issues are actually fixed I wish there was a wireless kit for the index though, that's a big plus that the vive (pro) has

[@genox633]

Nice

[@joeberman1285]

Update on index controller ship times. 8/13/2020. I ordered them on 8/9/20 they have already shipped and are said to be here by Tuesday 8/18/2020.

[@dathyr1]

Well it is Nov 2022 and for the Index hand controllers, some say the Index Controllers are also not that durable. I just purchased the Valve Index and also wanted to get the base stations setup and working in case I want to jump to another VR headset that uses this tracking. My hand controller interactions are very minimal, since I do mainly SIM Racing and sitting down. My prior VR headset is still the Rift S and works great for what I do in VR.

[@DarkBlade337]

I just changed my grip on the index controllers for beat saber. I use what I call a cutlass grip. Basically I hold the grip so the knuckles part of the controller goes over the front of my hand like a hilt on a cutlass sword. It seems to work for me.

[@defendersofthefaith8157]

Nice review. Good job.

[@TopSpecMedia]

Thank you :)

[@JDGames15]

i have a question so im looking to get into pcvr and i have a tight budget of $230 and on offer up which is a website where you can buy and sell stuff and i found some htc vives in my price range so should i get a htc vive or save up for a newer pc vr headset??

[@przemekstarkiewicz9939]

damn you, you fluent and overally nice person, I just ordered mine for Vive Pro after watching this piece

[@raimondo7696]

Is there a major difference in headset? Like should I just get the full index setup (headset, trackers, knuckles etc.) if money isn't an issue?

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I just upgraded my vive wand controller batteries. IDK if my old ones were representative or not, because I got them used, but I was able to add significant battery life with a 3rd party battery replacement and if there was any extra weight, it was negligible.

[@exakelgaming]

I've only had my vive cosmos elite for nearly a month and i am already eyeing to replace the vive controllers with the valve index controllers.

[@225and]

i got the valve index controllers and it is amazing so much better than vive wands no more accidental pressing and uncomfortable controllers + climbing feels amazing

[@leosypher9993]

I went from a cheap oculus CV1 to a vive, the headset is great, far more durable, but the controllers ... wow, its actually amazing that someone saw the HTC wands and thought they where a good idea, and yes these headsets came out at around the same time, the vive wands have no sort of gesture tracking or anything, the grip pads are shotty at best and the track pads do what you want them to do only half the time

[@vrforseniors9830]

My Vavle Index controllers are used with an HTC VIve. My controllers sometimes stop working and the icons pulsate in the Steam VR Window. Any thoughts?

[@bb_cov]

I just tried boneworks with the index controllers and it is really hard to play but once you get the hang of it I thing it will be quite fun

[@Ratpack30]

Haven't tested fully yet, i do know that my 2016 vive controllers last for around 5h but my newer controllers that came with pro 2, i would belive they last well over 10h with gameplay, depending on the game? I would love to have index controllers (pro's and con's for both when it comes to VRChat) but they're not available in my country :

[@Trazer-xv4gw]

I ordered mine after 2020 christmas and it said 2 week shipping but i got them in almost a full week and I am having the time of my life

[@benhanson4018]

I own the vive headset with valve knuckles. I do love the knuckles but be very careful with clicking the thumstick as using the click will start to make your analog stick start to ghost and you'll never stop moving in game which is a nightmare. I'm now on my third pair but this time I have unbound anything that uses the click so I don't ever use it

[@matty4z]

this has probably been asked but: can you use the valve index controls with the 'HTC vive' (not the pro-version) ?

[@UOAPlays]

9:42 "You can also purchase Index controllers when they eventually reduce in price" 3 years later and Valve STILL won't budge on their price lol. Awesome review though! I think this video was the final push for me to buy a pair of Index controllers.

[@user-sh7ij6ut2y]

I just upgrade my Vive controller to index and I'm not regretting it holy cow it was amazing especially when sleeping in vrchat cuz I usually found my Vive controller on the floor after I woke up but now index solve that problem

[@restokeZi]

Looking at buying a Htc Vive Cosmos Elite, with index controllers is this good, and will it work?

[@Target_Rose]

I have been using both a vive cosmos elite and a quest 2 for a while now. I really didn’t like how clunky the vive controllers were, recently mine started acting up. In games I can’t walk straight or right. I just ordered the index controllers and am excited for the improved immersion. In my opinion I always liked the quest controllers more than the vive.

[@robrrrrrrr8422]

If you got the new controllers would it still work with the old vive?

[@slimyelow]

I have to say that I love the wands compared to the rift controllers when it comes to gun range sims like Lethal VR. The trigger pull has a tighter action before the actual click. Also the thicker grip, nice haptic feedback and the added weight make it feel more like you are holding a hand gun. I am not sure how this is gonna feel with the Index. Also saber games like Sariento make me feel like I am holding a hefty weapon. The base station tracking of course is second to none. I luv my wands and today they go for a measly 40 bucks a peace.

[@xGrifDog96x]

8:37 Its count dooku's lightsaber xD I came here wondering the difference between the two controllers and as a index owner i absolutely love that they decided to go with this style instead of an upward slant, it feels so good in beatsaber and to anyone out there wondering what VR headset you should get, if you can afford it i highly recommend getting the index (its worth the wait). Valve is trustworthy and have amazing customer support when it comes to RMA's. Best controllers on the market and probably will be for years to come, gaben is the man and valve is still the top dog when it comes to reinventing the gaming industry.

[@GrizzTheBear]

Suppose I have an HTC VIVE Cosmos Elite. Is it possible for me to use the Valve Index controllers?

[@vrforseniors9830]

How do you take a screenshot wirh Valve controllers and a Vive headset?

[@definingslawek4731]

Do the rumblers feel tighter and better? or about the same?

[@reyluna0]

vive wands definitely last more than 5 to 6 hours, mine have always lasted 7 to 8 hours in one single charge, or at least they feel like that

[@cybrhckr]

I think that's what they said in somewhere officially. maximum of 8 hours or something.

[@reyluna0]

@@cybrhckr they do haha

[@matty4z]

did the 'climbing carnival' world in VRchat with my VIVE stopping for 1 charge midway

[@reyluna0]

@@matty4z well that's a huge map anyway hahaha

[@matty4z]

@@reyluna0 dont need to tell me that mars was a one time thing :/

[@deyroxrust]

im hoping to get the vive pro eye, and i was gonna get the index controllers, but i want to get used to the vive controllers before i start anything. soon enough im going to be fully immersed into vr with the haptic suit, index controllers, eye tracking, 7 vive body trackers (2 for feet, 2 for legs, 1 for waist, and another 2 for arms). i think it will be a great experience as the vive pro eye has revolutionary tech. im not trying to brag, im just a person in a small group of people that are resulting to get the most out of vr for the fun of it! please dont send hate, thx

[@TopSpecMedia]

If you want the ultimate VR experience would you consider buying a valve index over the vive pro because even though both headsets have the same total resolution, the index has a higher refresh rate for the display (up to 144hz!). Just some food for thought -Chris

[@numptyco]

The weight on the controller can be an advantage sometimes as it can mimic an objects heaviness

[@TopSpecMedia]

Yeah I get that argument, my issue is mainly that the weight is distributed pretty poorly and they get quite annoying to deathgrip over time.

[@LightningMcQueen95420]

Do the Knuckles work with a HTC Vive Cosmos Elite??

[@ravynx]

Agreed that it bugs me to no end how wand/sword/paddle games just can't get the Index controllers right out of the box. I used to love Racket Fury (ping pong) on the Oculus and when I swapped to the Index it feels like the paddle is angled way too far forward just like the Beat Sabers. STILL no support out to fix that compatibility issue in Racket Fury though it looks like Beat Saber adjusted it.

[@garytippin7370]

Nice video and audio

[@TopSpecMedia]

Thanks we put a lot of effort into those elements

[@SneakyJoeRu]

I just did a video about battery replacement on my ru and eng channels. Speaking of longevity. My batteries died in 2 years and Valve refused to change them or help with a battery.

[@DehMilkman]

So basically when I got my tax return, Quarantine started, I was planning on getting the index but low and behold, it was sold out. 8+ week waiting list, not to mention price gougers sweeping the whole internet of every games system out there, I was reluctantly forced into buying the vive elite. I like it so far I haven't had any problems with it except 3 major gripes. The bases are the old version 1 bases and not the updated ones. HTC is shipping this bundle with the old Vive wands [they should have upgraded them by now, they've had a giant lead]. and last one is the cable comes loose from the headset relatively easy if you flip up the display frequently. I don't know if the last one is because I'm just being too rough or its just not built secure enough. All I know is I was freaking out when my headset kept going grey screen every time I adjust my view. It took a few days for me to learn the cable can be disconnected from the headset itself. So I unplugged it and re-plugged it in. It seems to be fixed but it would be better if this wasn't an issue to begin with.

[@angelnoel5464]

Is there one with any finger tracking? I only care about doing asl in vr chat

[@BKaattt]

I rock beatsaber with the knuckles. Doing songs on expert+ without issue, well besides my skill being an issue xD Also for games like vrchat the knuckles are just a much greater experience, having finger use in a social setting is much more immersive.

[@perceptionzzz]

I like the vibe controllers they are sturdy and I do not have stick drift problems that's the only problem with analog sticks I have that's why I choose to play with the vibe ones instead of the index controllers

[@cim4191]

Im a owner of a HTC Vive Pro and i want to buy the valve knuckles since months does anybody know where I can buy them single without the Valve set Edit: oh I’m stupid it’s in the Description xD but thanks for this really good video 🙏

[@TheZiiFamily]

Im beginning to think i want a vive instead of a valve so thats why im trying to figure out whats good for wireless

[@yeahitsaaron6854]

you're so professional for only having 1k subs

[@TopSpecMedia]

Thanks!

[@DeadProstic]

I plan to get some knuckles controllers and turn my vive Wands into foot trackers

[@evraegrace7461]

A very real use case (and the reason I am here) is upgrading a Vive cosmos to the lighthouse tracking, as you can not use the controllers that came with it.

[@TopSpecMedia]

I wasn't even aware you could use lighthouse tracking with the vive cosmos; that's pretty neat because I remember hearing that the inside-out tracking was pretty clunky compared to what oculus has been doing - Aaron

[@evraegrace7461]

@@TopSpecMedia It has a swapable face-plate that adds the sensors. I got the cosmos on sale as a test to see how much I would like VR, and while I haven't had the problems I saw in a lot of reviews (I think they made improvements in software patches), I am thinking about upgrading

[@Kappie.]

When you dropped that controller I cringed!!! 😂😂

[@mashy712]

Beans for Teens They can take a beating. Just not their touchpads or joy sticks.

[@haffijr]

im really confused, where are the A and B buttons on the wands

[@TheGamingGlizzy]

My headset came with Alyx, I have the vive cosmos elite, and my friend got a index, and he can’t use the knuckles wirelessly

[@pugstudioz3594]

where do i get the index controlers?

[@1xtaki]

as an Owner of the original vive I can say some thing to that. Yeah the vive wants are kinda heavy and feel huge when holding, but till this point vive is still using them in the newest cosmos elite, with that its a fact that the vive (not pro) isnt supported by vive anymore which is sad. they just dont produce anything from that series anymore [ My Point of View in Germany]. The "Knuckels" are only called that way by the community but the name is "Index controllers" and the Devkit name was "Knuckels" since there wasnt a name for it at that point. The Index Controllers are great but not as well made as the Knuckels DK3. I got a friend who own Index controllers and I used them and compared to the Knuckels I got and they feel cheaper. [ To mention I got my Knuckels DK3 from a friend of mine who used them long time bevor having to sell them]

[@willcph4591]

this is so underrated

[@StickyNoteStudious]

Quick question, where can I buy the valve index controllers, and the controllers only? I have an htc vive and it works great, but my vive controllers stopped working about 2 days ago. Can anyone help?

[@TopSpecMedia]

You can buy just the controllers straight off steam’s website or apps

[@StickyNoteStudious]

@@TopSpecMedia got it! Thanks!

[@JCMaldonado13]

I would love a comparison between the Index and Touch controllers..

[@TopSpecMedia]

I have a few friends who have rifts, but I'm not quite sure that I've had enough experience using them to give a full detailed comparison. I'll keep that in mind for after quarantine though haha - Aaron

[@Mutantcy1992]

Just got the index controllers and...idk if there's something wrong with my hands but they just seem like a massive downgrade from the wands aside from the center of gravity being much better. And why are the haptics so weak? That's not my hand's fault.

[@ingramsilver6996]

If I get valve index controllers for vive do I need valve base stations along with vive base stations

[@TopSpecMedia]

No, we used htc lighthouse with valve index controller and it worked fine

[@ingramsilver6996]

Top Spec nice

[@furraw5128]

cosmos elite if i buy the valve controllers its work ?

[@danvexwx6926]

I think so, since both use SteamVR tracking and as long as they use Base Stations.

[@GabrielTobing]

Btw, do the knuckles work with base station 1.0s?

[@Victor_Lixys]

yes

[@exakelgaming]

8:44 so like Count Dooku's lightsaber?

[@QuantumRealm-]

Man I love dooku saber controllers.

[@starspangledbat]

😂

[@MashisHere]

does anyone know if I'd be able to use the value index controllers with the vive cosmos elite?

[@viktorbjurstom4024]

Can you use the index controllers with the original vive base stations?

[@danvexwx6926]

Yeah, they work for both 2.0 and 1.0 Base Stations.

[@motakyatto3857]

With Knuckles in Beat Saber, you pretty much have Ventress' lightsabers.

[@danvexwx6926]

Man, I've been really thinking if it's worth to get Valve Index, given that I may risk with stuff, since I live outside of US.. With that said, I'll have to ship it to my aunt so she'd resend it to me and if there'd be any problems, then I'd have to ship the back. That's like paying fees for a car, yet here you just pay for an Item's Factory Mistakes. With everything mentioned before, could anyone please tell if they have been experiencing any problems with their controllers or if newer ones don't have any issues at all? Thanks in advance

[@kinggodzilla7273]

honestly dude id prefer the wands over the controllers

[@danvexwx6926]

@@kinggodzilla7273 I mean, they aren't that bad, yet lack of sensors is something I find poor compared to other controllers such as Touch or Index

[@kinggodzilla7273]

@@danvexwx6926 personally the only thing thats a turn off for me is im a neat freak and they get dirty really easy and are kind of hard to clean. another thing is the track pad. i hate that the index doesn't have a trackpad. lastly the power button placement sucks

[@blaxly]

You're opinion is yours and i respect that but about most of the people i know in the beat saber community say that index controllers are better because they are light weight.

[@mikeyfazz8194]

How do I connect them to my vive?

[@Alex-jh6wr]

did valve fixed drifting problems? after Covid. because i want buy a kit. Can somene say?

[@larry6582]

I dont think so. Look at reddit valve index there is plenty RMAs of knuckles. Just canceled my index order today because for 1 000 ‎€ i want some reliable hardware and their good support for RMAs is just not excuse. They should adress this and do some kind of hardware revision. Still there is 8+ weeks to ship so maybe wait for HP reverb G2 or Oculus quest 2 has leaked on bloomberg and rumors are that it will have better refresh rate, FOV, and full finger tracking so with link and more decent price that could be new index killer. But nothing is confirmed untill oculus connect 7 conference.

[@Alex-jh6wr]

​@@larry6582 too bad for a flagship device. Valve ignores that thing , unbelievably! So i think: the hardware for Valve is impossible without mistakes. Steam machines, Steam controller and Valve Index too((( too bad!!!

[@tristenr1293]

It sounds like you need to learn Count Dooku's saber.

[@Channel-iu6de]

Are these Index controllers still the best in 2021?

[@christinakhatiwada4790]

I am you 811th subscriber😊

[@TopSpecMedia]

👍 :)

[@Zakrulan]

HTC does sell pre-owned vives. But they are usually labelled as (Certified Refurbished) aka those which had some defect, got sent back, htc repaired it and decide it to resell it. I bought such a Vive kit, a Cosmos Elite (Certified Refurbished) it was cheaper than a brand new but works just like a brand new, got no issues with it except these damn Vive Wands, I really dont like how it feels in my hands. Clunky af. Im planning on getting a pair of Index "Knuckles" since from what I saw so far from this and other vids it has quite a nice grip and feel.

[@TheOneWhoisDrunk]

I absolutely love the knuckles but my gorilla hands barely fit so my strap is pushing up against the inner part of the tracking ring. The wands feel so much better for Beat Saber since I can get a solid grip even with sweaty hands. The knuckles slip no matter what. Probably even if added some cloth wraps to keep them secure. They would still probably slip. The wands tracking is definitely inferior. Sometimes it's a little jittery. Also I have already adjusted my Index controllers rotation and offsets so they feel about the same as the wands but just not with the advantage the tight grip compared to wands.

[@Mutantcy1992]

Cleaning the sensors with alcohol helped my wand tracking

[@TheOneWhoisDrunk]

@@Mutantcy1992 I will give it a shot, but even when new the wands have been kind of jittery on occasion.

[@mercedezsantos5000]

2:03 when I use curved lightsabers in blades and sorcery

[@alexruch]

Can you use the knuckles with the htc vive?

[@TopSpecMedia]

Yes, that is the setup we used to compare the knuckles to the vive wands.