Finally, A GOOD Leaf Build! - Peglin

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Aliensrock

Aliensrock

Күн бұрын

Peglin Part 72 - in the wrong circumstances, leaf is probably the worst relic in the game. However, get just the right synergy behind it, and it can be a core component of a crazy strong build. What do you think, was the leaf worth it?
Edited by: Dan White and Ben Ranger
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@vincentiusthegreat
@vincentiusthegreat Жыл бұрын
The leaf did survive against the dragon, but had it gone against the QR code or minesweeper boss with their scaling damage it probably would've sucked.
@CaTastrophy427
@CaTastrophy427 Жыл бұрын
I will say that minesweeper has a *lot* fewer pegs to refresh so it wouldn't have been as bad there.
@Nicolas-gt9qf
@Nicolas-gt9qf Жыл бұрын
The leaf didn't make the build that good in my opinion, it was just carried by an already very good build that got way less good after adding the leaf
@darksoulbg24
@darksoulbg24 Жыл бұрын
@@Nicolas-gt9qf Tyler nerfed himself with leaf to not only show that it could be good but to also show that in its current state it is really bad
@Maker0824
@Maker0824 Жыл бұрын
@@CaTastrophy427 No, that makes it even worse. With leaf you have a reserve of pegs that will gradual run out. it will stabilize at some point, but having less pegs (but more importantly, more spread out pegs) is much much much worse for leaf.
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
If you refer to my comment where I used Leaf to win, if I recall, I was up against the Qaballistic Ruins in that playthrough. (Crucially 14?) To be honest, I have no idea how such a janky build managed to win.
@ajm365
@ajm365 Жыл бұрын
I love the idea for leaf, it just always seems to be a lot less fun than what the build was before.
@slovakthrowback3738
@slovakthrowback3738 Жыл бұрын
yeah this, I think that maybe the numbers just need to be tweaked so it refreshes a few more pegs, maybe it could refresh a set portion instead of a static number, so regular refreshes refresh 100% whereas Tea leaf may refresh only 10%
@Schilani
@Schilani Жыл бұрын
Tyler does a poor job with the leaf, to be honest. I mean, this is the third time he took it, and every time he only had at most 2 other refresh synergies. That's like taking the relic that doesn't allow you to gain any gold after beating the first boss, while you still don't have a decent deck.
@travischaikin1626
@travischaikin1626 Жыл бұрын
@@Schilani Maybe so, but it feels like it should is really cool design that people want to use locked behind having more then 2 synergies already. At least with the no gold one, you are locking yourself into what you already have, you make an informed decision based on something that you had a lot more opportunity fix before that, you get offered orbs after every fight. But with the leaf, you need other relics, and you can only get so many, and only a few of them have good refresh synergies. Overall, even if it works sometimes, it still feels slow. Like a lot of the boss relics, it just feels really niche. This becomes a problem when you can frequently get offered boss relics that just all kill you if you take them. Its so disappointing have to skip your first boss drop because they would all kill you if you take them. I had like 3-4 games in a row of that on cruciball 9-10
@Schilani
@Schilani Жыл бұрын
@@travischaikin1626 funny thing, I think the Peglin boss relics are still too forgiving. But that might just be, because I played a lot of roguelikes with boss relics that are truly make or break, like slay the spire. In Peglin most boss relics work for most builds. It doesn't really matter which build you have going on, you can always take meteorite, gift, magnet. Most builds allow the matryoshka shell. You can often take molten mantle with the second boss... you get what I mean.
@henriknobinder7395
@henriknobinder7395 Жыл бұрын
@@Schilani There's a big difference in that taking Molten Mantle early makes your run boring, but it's still strong enough that you'll likely win regardless. Leaf is underwhelming even when you already have a build where it theoretically should be good.
@ryninja5788
@ryninja5788 Жыл бұрын
I kinda wish the leaf refreshed a proportional amount of pegs to the total for that specific level rather than just four, as it always feels like you’re running out of pegs. Maybe if they made it so that hitting all the refreshes was equivalent to one full refresh it would be better.
@Brokenlordike
@Brokenlordike Жыл бұрын
This is really what it should be. Refreshes only refresh 10% of the orbs, but get 10 more Refreshes.
@electrospaghetti8388
@electrospaghetti8388 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, a lot of your power in act 3 simply comes from the sheer quantity of pegs in the stages, which means act 3 itself is anti-synergy with the leaf
@LucasGleason
@LucasGleason Жыл бұрын
With the right builds, that would be beyond op, but then again, every other build dies to leaf
@glebglub
@glebglub Жыл бұрын
@@Brokenlordike max 7% or 7 refreshes (or both) - synergy with the crits also refresh + additional refreshes + refresh orb would be way too op otherwise, unless it scales down with cruciball level
@ryninja5788
@ryninja5788 Жыл бұрын
@@glebglub no, I think having it be inversely proportional to the pegs is better. More refreshes = less pegs refreshed, but still hitting every single one is equivalent to a full refresh.
@Yipper64
@Yipper64 Жыл бұрын
I think you need heavy refresh synergy for the leaf to be worth it. Like the cookie, and such. Definitely one of those relics the whole build should be built around.
@randomjapsi
@randomjapsi Жыл бұрын
or defresh potion
@metawarp7446
@metawarp7446 Жыл бұрын
Morbidorb might be good also Imagine that in the boss fight!
@SinisteaSado
@SinisteaSado Жыл бұрын
Idk I still lost to minesweeper bc I basically ran out of pegs with the leaf, I think there are builds that can carry it, it's definitely not boss relic worthy
@waldette1175
@waldette1175 Жыл бұрын
A fun run I had with the leaf was leaf duplication potion reorbanizer and strange brew
@Gejmer_2000
@Gejmer_2000 Жыл бұрын
they should buff the leaf from 4 refreshed pegs to 5, would help a bit with the "too low amount of pegs to hit" situation!@@SinisteaSado
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
I got a Leaf the Rest For Later to work alongside Defresh Potion, Bag of Orange Pegs and Strange Brew. The relic isn't bad; its peak power usage is actually insane, but... it's situational as hell. More so than other Boss relics.
@insertnamehere4775
@insertnamehere4775 Жыл бұрын
What do the first two do - and I think the boss relic could be buffed to refresh 5/6 pegs at a time at least
@awesomegamer-cv4zf
@awesomegamer-cv4zf Жыл бұрын
it'd be interesting if you could start with a boss relic to build around, maybe with a penalty to compensate? Starting with a boss relic instead of a regular relic and an additional terriball might not be a bad idea
@awesomegamer-cv4zf
@awesomegamer-cv4zf Жыл бұрын
@@insertnamehere4775 Defresh potion makes orbs reactivate deactivated pegs like morbidorb at the cost of removing 1 refresh if that makes sense Bag of orange pegs multiplies your damage based on how many pegs are deactivated
@squiddler7731
@squiddler7731 Жыл бұрын
So the only build where leaf is good is also a build where it's stronger the fewer pegs are active. Kinda funny, cause that means if they ever buff the leaf (say by having it refresh 4% to 10% of pegs instead of a flat 4 pegs), then it'd just get worse with this particular build
@redbuck1385
@redbuck1385 Жыл бұрын
​@@awesomegamer-cv4zfslay the spire has a mechanic like this, where you can exchange your character's starting relic for a random boss relic
@HexCopper
@HexCopper Жыл бұрын
I was so excited when you got Refreshield because I thought that it could still refresh the entire board whenever you reload since it wasn't a refresh peg. But it seems like the Leaf changes all refreshes to be only 4 pegs as even when you refresh from reload it only refreshed 4 pegs. It'd probably cause all refresh affects to only refresh 4 orbs.
@macrobioscopic
@macrobioscopic Жыл бұрын
I cant believe he even pegged a leaf
@WillowToTheMax
@WillowToTheMax Жыл бұрын
It's unbeleafable
@leffeup8117
@leffeup8117 Жыл бұрын
I cant beleaf you’ve done this
@walterhartwellwhite2988
@walterhartwellwhite2988 Жыл бұрын
Now what?
@PROPLAYEN
@PROPLAYEN Жыл бұрын
​​@@walterhartwellwhite2988It's unbeleafable that you forgot a leaf pun, im leavesing
@creeperx3sssboom347
@creeperx3sssboom347 Жыл бұрын
I knew Floran were popular but this is ridiculous!
@andrewevenson2657
@andrewevenson2657 Жыл бұрын
The leaf is amazing if you get duplication potion and refresh moves every shot, and refreshes/crit count towards damage. Then you have 10 refreshes spawing in every shot (regardless of how many you already have) till every peg is a refresh, at which point it becomes really easy to keep the board mostly refreshed. Top that off with literally anything that gives you growth for refreshing, like broccoli or something, and you have an insane build.
@7tales311
@7tales311 Жыл бұрын
I had this with reorbinizer and the relic that detonates pegs around refreshes. ended up doing like 100k a shot or some shit. it was bloody insane.
@8knights841
@8knights841 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised nobody is mentioning the Refillebuster synergy with the leaf. 4 damage for every refresh hit and it's also guaranteed to work because there's always at least 4 orbs to refresh.
@lillypad6936
@lillypad6936 Жыл бұрын
Um, that's because refilibuster is better without. Without leaf, it's basically a delayed +1/+1. With leaf, it's negligible damage sometimes.
@andypandy00
@andypandy00 Жыл бұрын
But consider, that's exactly how it works without Leaf. Just slower, and kind of worse. Refilibuster+Leaf: if 4 used pegs, deal 4 damage. Refilibuster w/o Leaf: deal damage equal to used pegs. There's no situation where Leaf makes it better, except that there's more refreshes so you're doing less damage more often. But never more than you would without Leaf
@mcbrahs7190
@mcbrahs7190 Жыл бұрын
Leaf feels like it would work pretty well with a self damage / necrorb build, to take advantage of all the lost pegs and the immense healing with cookie
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t work. Necorbmancer can’t hit Refreshes. That’s a strict downgrade, especially if you opt for self-damage.
@tsquitz
@tsquitz Жыл бұрын
@@greatsageclok-roo9013 necorbmancer can hit empty pegs, though
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
@@tsquitz That's all it can hit, though... Aside from Bombs. And people who use it will tell you that it is actually not really good at doing that job.
@superdog3293
@superdog3293 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they should tweak the leaf to have it refresh like 10% of the board rather than just a few pegs. That way it doesn't go so horribly into the final bosses or other arenas with lots of pegs
@electromika
@electromika Жыл бұрын
Insane shot timer Tyler's silent laughs is my favourite part of this video
@Owlrrex
@Owlrrex Жыл бұрын
Something I'd love to see just for the laughs is Leaf + Duplication potion + anything that gets refreshes to move (the relic or Reorbanizer). Probably will need a Strange Brew too.
@andrewevenson2657
@andrewevenson2657 Жыл бұрын
I’ve done this in a run, and that makes the leaf overpowered. When I saw him do this video that’s the synergy I expected him to come up with, but the one he did was significantly worse.
@cheeks684
@cheeks684 Жыл бұрын
Getting the relic that makes all orbs morbid would have been hilarious for the Dragon fight
@holyhandgrenade5
@holyhandgrenade5 Жыл бұрын
I think the leaf should be a special event relic or something, it has a high potential but it almost never reaches it. I feel like it’s kinda like the chip in that it changes the gameplay but not necessarily for the better
@crazyabe4571
@crazyabe4571 Жыл бұрын
its one of those relics I'll never take, alongside such traps as the chip, and the cursed mask.
@matroqueta6825
@matroqueta6825 Жыл бұрын
hey at least it doesn't singlehandedly kill you like the wand of skulltimate power does
@eclipseeffigy
@eclipseeffigy Жыл бұрын
Turns out Cookie+Leaf was the real Bulwark build all along, facetanking damage for days! 💪
@dogfooddevin5538
@dogfooddevin5538 Жыл бұрын
The editing you do on these videos will never cease to amaze me, seriously.
@unlivingskunk
@unlivingskunk Жыл бұрын
The leaf build I got was Suspicious potion, duplication, potion, and lollipop. Oh and the thing that makes refreshes activate nearby pegs, freest win of my life
@adumbfurry7036
@adumbfurry7036 Жыл бұрын
It’s always a good day when tyler gives the enemies a good pegging.
@emarci6009
@emarci6009 Жыл бұрын
69th like
@JusDoc
@JusDoc Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on the devs making the extra relic from chests easier? ATM it's just a bonus for Bomb builds, since you realistically NEED both the 1 shot + AOE relics
@CaTastrophy427
@CaTastrophy427 Жыл бұрын
If you're good you can get it pretty consistently with just the AoE bomb relic (enhanced gunpowder IIRC)
@kanga287
@kanga287 Жыл бұрын
hey tyler i love the new upload time. usually im a night owl so i was able to watch the videos at the other upload time as well but when im falling asleep before midnight its nice to be able to watch your videos before i go to bed at night
@GamingProsAdventure
@GamingProsAdventure Жыл бұрын
I think the leaf needs to refresh 5 pegs, it absolutely kills builds right now unless you have a crazy build already
@bloxthebloxxer8234
@bloxthebloxxer8234 Жыл бұрын
i think it should refresh more pegs per extra refresh you have (like from the refresh bag or the other one(s))
@joshuakimpton8224
@joshuakimpton8224 Жыл бұрын
Probably 6, actually, because 5 doesn't seem like enough at the moment.
@BC-ny1fn
@BC-ny1fn Жыл бұрын
The editor doing amazing job highlighting new orbs, I'd be so lost without the icon lasting ty
@BoxTM
@BoxTM Жыл бұрын
the leaf with the cookie is interesting, leaf seems comically underpowered if you don't have damage scaling with refreshes, but with just a cookie it makes you immortal so you deal no(t much) damage but also take 0 damage, I guess it just works!
@beefkidgaming2368
@beefkidgaming2368 Жыл бұрын
The issue is, every final boss but the dragon has scaling damage so you’d eventually get to the point where you’re just one shot
@MrTVx99
@MrTVx99 Жыл бұрын
Hard to heal when you have 0 pegs left on the board
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
@@MrTVx99 But you will always have the Refresh Pegs. So unless you use Ohmygorb! that won’t happen.
@joeomundson
@joeomundson Жыл бұрын
13:25 Tyler looks like a Kerbonaut on a flight
@nightmareman328
@nightmareman328 Жыл бұрын
I just got Peglin on my phone and have been playing nonstop. I was even playing when you uploaded.
@agent3051
@agent3051 Жыл бұрын
I think the intended relic combo for the Leaf is Refresher Course (if I’m remembering correctly) where every X amount of refreshes, you gain +1Muscircle/Spinesse. With the Leaf adding so many refreshes to the board, it won’t matter how few pegs you have because your damage output will be insane.
@rick2suu
@rick2suu Жыл бұрын
thats pretty much what I figured it out, summoning circle is a must have if you want to play good leaf. Reorbnizer and duplication potion also really helps
@DWargs
@DWargs Жыл бұрын
The leaf can be a run killer, or take the run to new heights. Leaf with the AOE on refresh, plus cookie, plus any other buffs you get on refresh like broccoli or the random +x or +y relif can make fights a BREEZE, especially if you can top that off with a lvl 3 Signal Boost Orb. The refresh Axe orb also has AMAZING synergy with this. And all of that compounds further if you have the reworked Ballwark character. I have gotten absurd damage output with that build.
@toddoverholt4556
@toddoverholt4556 Жыл бұрын
Something fun is that summoning circle will summon more circles if you have multiple upgraded summoning circle orbs. 6 orbs of whatever comes after them for 2 of them in a row
@drukson
@drukson Жыл бұрын
i love watching tyler finish off a dragon by pegging
@linuxares
@linuxares Жыл бұрын
Insane shot timer... I don't know if it was your idea Tyler or if it was one of the editors. But just a *chefs kiss* to that!
@masterimbecile
@masterimbecile Жыл бұрын
Insane shot timer is a nice touch. Mr Editor did it again!
@Joshuwa80
@Joshuwa80 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you keep up the information and highlight important things to look at on your videos. I don’t have to keep grabbing the remote to rewind and pause all the time 😊
@alanwolf313
@alanwolf313 Жыл бұрын
I love the part when the wall is just vibing while Tyler's shot takes a comically long time to finish.
@OliviaSNava
@OliviaSNava Жыл бұрын
I think they need to buff the leaf, maybe make it refresh like 1/5th of the pegs on a given map instead. That might make it more balanced.
@TheCynicalOne
@TheCynicalOne Жыл бұрын
Leaf’s balance seems to err on the side of being weaker but it does work with one build archetype: morbid. You’re trying to hit empty peg slots so having ‘worse’ refreshes helps keep the number of empty pegs high. Another one would be the relic that increases your stats as you refresh, meaning even with low peg numbers your spinesse/muscircle will make up for it with big damage. Personally, I just think they need to make it that leaf refreshes more pegs per refresh or allows EXTERNAL refreshes (refreshing on reload, orbs that refresh the board etc.) to refresh all pegs.
@crimsondragon2677
@crimsondragon2677 Жыл бұрын
Leaf + Refreshing Punch could be good. Hit one refresh and they all go off.
@jackbandit2114
@jackbandit2114 5 ай бұрын
Leaf is guaranteed to ruin any build, holy shit. it's so bad this was the last pegglin video ever released. I hate that relic....
@johnsonnguyen6046
@johnsonnguyen6046 Жыл бұрын
I love the new timer moving for the new info. But there seemed to be some sort of pacing/timing issue during the level 3 forest boss fight....
@erichamion
@erichamion Жыл бұрын
Leaf can be amazing in the right context. I got both "First Come, First Served" and "Critical Thinking" achievements in the same run. I don't remember all the details, but it had leaf, Critsomallos Fleece, and the relic that causes refreshes to act as crits. There was probably a Gift. I think there was some serious multiball happening, too (double Lvl 3 Summoning Circles, probably, and maybe a multiball relic or two, but I really don't remember).
@dragonoid3456
@dragonoid3456 Жыл бұрын
The leaf plus refreshorb the orb that moves the crit and refresh spots plus the potion relic that allows refresh and crits move with a copy in its last spot as well as low crits for balladin, is amazing. I filled the board with refreshes from only 10 on the board. Just wish it was consistant with muscurcle.
@ObscureSwan
@ObscureSwan Жыл бұрын
Leaf basically requires some of the other boss relics to even be viable, like Gift and Defresh Potion, alongside a very refresh heavy build. The only orb that I think benefits from hitting multiple refreshes is the Renewed Vigorb, definitely feels like something the higher cruciballs would do, like Refresh Pegs only refresh 75% of the board.
@ForemostPanic62
@ForemostPanic62 Жыл бұрын
When you said "its not so bad" at 24:27 i legit sang that part of the song at the exact same time at the editors put it in.
@Living_druid0911
@Living_druid0911 Жыл бұрын
YESSS! Finaly a new pegging video. But rly tho Tyler’s peglin vids are always nice and refreshing.
@thelizard7609
@thelizard7609 Жыл бұрын
You might want to look up what pegging means
@susamogus8331
@susamogus8331 Жыл бұрын
​@@thelizard7609we've watched enough of tyler pegging to know what pegging means don't worry
@TordBot69
@TordBot69 Жыл бұрын
@@thelizard7609we all know what pegging means man
@TheGamingLegendsOfficial
@TheGamingLegendsOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@thelizard7609 I think everyone who makes a "pegging" joke in the comments understands what's going on. Trust us.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Жыл бұрын
@@thelizard7609 Wooooosh
@soulextinguisher
@soulextinguisher Жыл бұрын
the leaf was good in the dragon fight because of the slimes and health regen but also because the fewer pegs prevent funneling. I did notice that the dragon fight pegs were steeply arranged but I still think the sparse pegs helped.
@whyami5355
@whyami5355 Жыл бұрын
I got the leaf to work with refeshing punch and a ton of bomb synergy (recombombulator+aoe clears). It actually worked extremely well but I would suggest it only if you have refreshing punch.
@carpedm9846
@carpedm9846 Жыл бұрын
I think leaf could be insane with the one relic that clears nearby pegs when you hit a refresh, since you can probably chain them together
@TheSuperSushiMaster
@TheSuperSushiMaster Жыл бұрын
I had refreshing punch (the relic you're talking about) along with leaf, cookie and orange pegs and overwhamer in one run. My first shot on the board one shotted all enemies on the field but subsequent shots were lackluster. I think the relic should be buffed.
@elijahmorris3308
@elijahmorris3308 Жыл бұрын
Never thought I’d see “leaf” and “good” in the same title
@RoboBunny-G
@RoboBunny-G Жыл бұрын
Since the videos are now releasing during my schooltime I'm having to watch without audio, but to my surprise it's not any less engaging! You and the editors do an incredible job of making sure the audience knows what's going on, to a point where audio isn't really necessary and just more entertaining as a video, which is something I haven't really seen from any other content creator I watch
@unknownlegend1150
@unknownlegend1150 Жыл бұрын
Hey Tyler I have some ideas for some ball that would be great if they added A. More sectorbs to choose from EX: light sectorb makes the ball lighter and hammer sectorb gets gets rid of piercing but add 4/4 and is heavy B. New pegs(maybe even be related to special boss fights)EX: a peg that swaps the balls position to a linked peg. C. A ball that changes damage(crit also changes) and gains random ability’s each battle that are hidden.EX: (max level) 2/4-4/6 and level one gives mostly negative effects then level two give positive affects and lastly max level give op effects like multiball and pierce.
@JohnDVil
@JohnDVil Жыл бұрын
Dear Tyler, for optimal leaf build you need other stuff to refresh the board propper like refreshiv and refreshorb to have the many refreshes but still have a intact board, pair that with on refresh buffs like the cookie to make a really good refresh build, and also have the alchemists cookbook(pegs can refresh into bombs) and the relic that lets you refresh bombs for the omega refresh build.
@thermophile1695
@thermophile1695 Жыл бұрын
If you need five relics to keep the leaf from being a net negative, the leaf isn't good.
@lillypad6936
@lillypad6936 Жыл бұрын
​@@thermophile1695 Exactly. If you need some of the best relics in the game to be good, face it hon, it's not good.
@CreatorProductionsOriginal
@CreatorProductionsOriginal Жыл бұрын
Imagine if you got Opposite Rearction + Summoning Circle + Summoning Circle + Potion Ballt in a row
@amaeo5170
@amaeo5170 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, a good Leaf synergy would be Light-Shaft potion and Crit Fleece, since you're likely to hit a couple refreshes a shot with the build. You could go for a cash build with Rephilosipher Stone and Swashbucklorb, along with the gold cat and Pegalardo's Pendant.
@NunyaBizniz-om6xf
@NunyaBizniz-om6xf Жыл бұрын
I have adjusted to and enjoyed the new upload schedule. It's still a little sad, but im happy if Tyler is happy with the changes!
@glitchxero4687
@glitchxero4687 Жыл бұрын
With the right synergy (this video being an example) leaf can give you incredible sustain, it seems like. Slow, like you said, but effective. It would be a good strategy to combine with balls that buff pegs. The longer you survive, the deadlier the board becomes.
@macdjord
@macdjord Жыл бұрын
Build idea: Maximum multiball. Matryoshka Shell, Duplication Station, Round Squirrel, T3 Summoning Circle -> T3 Summoning Circle -> T3 Matryorbshka.
@gudbjrn6495
@gudbjrn6495 Жыл бұрын
perfect schedule
@Bobal27
@Bobal27 Жыл бұрын
The real leaf combo is duplication relic, strange brew, and tactical treat. Your board stays full of greens.
@CaTastrophy427
@CaTastrophy427 Жыл бұрын
The only builds I've had work well with Leaf have been Defresh Potion + Leaf... usually also with orbs that upgrade all pegs they hit
@Roger_808
@Roger_808 Жыл бұрын
my brain is conditioned to feel sleepy after watching an aliensrock video. im still not used to the new upload schedule. ill get used to it one day.
@Hadronikle
@Hadronikle Жыл бұрын
Great round, there are A couple of rogue-like games I think you would be very interested in. Crop rotation and dicey dungeons are very fun.
@Aliensrock
@Aliensrock Жыл бұрын
I have a large playlist on dicey dungeons already.
@TheMilkManSL
@TheMilkManSL Жыл бұрын
It should either refresh more pegs, if only like 6 per refresh to still be a challenge, or not effect other non board refreshes such as refresh orbs or relics to have more synergy in stead of anti synergy. maybe even an entire rework to add only 4 more refreshes but each one refreshes 20/25% of the missing board so it scales the more you start losing pegs, always keeping you at around half your board left
@curiositeperpetuelle8610
@curiositeperpetuelle8610 8 ай бұрын
I guess that with all the missing pegs, the defresh potion would fix the leaf's downside
@AssJagger
@AssJagger Жыл бұрын
The thing about the leaf is its very dependent on other relics to make it work
@elmok
@elmok Жыл бұрын
13:38 the pog when he hit the crit
@dylswerb7492
@dylswerb7492 Жыл бұрын
Watching Tyler's face during the insane shot was glorious
@napkin6184
@napkin6184 Жыл бұрын
I got leaf to work with activated refreshes. Pair it with morbid for more damage. Or it'll also synergize with a bomb build and gunpowder.
@SuperArystoteles
@SuperArystoteles Жыл бұрын
Mirrored orb is not affected by the spinventor starting relic. Leaf synergy: Morbid Slime Gift that keeps on giving Lazorb
@sleepyppl4286
@sleepyppl4286 11 ай бұрын
the leaf needs a massive buff, im talking a minimum of double restored pegs
@glint3404
@glint3404 Жыл бұрын
Leaf is definitely not worth it as is. Either it should be upgraded to like refreshing more pegs or having even more refreshes on the board. Maybe making it a growth type relic that refreshes more with each time you do something. Otherwise, it's something that should be avoided all the time, in my opinion.
@drottningu
@drottningu Жыл бұрын
AH dude the new schedule, AlienRocks!!!
@kleingrrmpf
@kleingrrmpf Жыл бұрын
I finally assembled the Assemball for the first time today! It's awesome!
@GrimvOVER9000
@GrimvOVER9000 Жыл бұрын
I had no idea people hated the Leaf because my first and second run with it were both with the new Balladin and synergies that made refreshing absolutely insane
@izme1000
@izme1000 11 ай бұрын
There's a new mechanic. Ballusion. It makes you evade attacks, but the stocked amount goes down on a successful dodge. I don't know if it's Roundrel only.
@emiaugacha9614
@emiaugacha9614 Жыл бұрын
Yay! Aliensrock and peglin, what a nice day
@entropic-decay
@entropic-decay Жыл бұрын
I think the dragon's board has the same number of pegs, but they've been spread out to be less pyramid-like and more mound-like
@shreddedcheese8604
@shreddedcheese8604 Жыл бұрын
5:02 me walking into a chemistry test
@casheverett6300
@casheverett6300 Жыл бұрын
It doesnt matter that he changed his schedule, KZbin will still recommend this at midnight so I have to stay awake.
@burdenedsceptile894
@burdenedsceptile894 Жыл бұрын
The leaf requires a ton of synergy to work. The only time I ever got it to work was when I got the relic that causes refreshes and crit to contribute to damage and the one that causes refreshes to hit nearby pegs. In a build with those two plus one or two more refresh synergies the leaf can work but I found it to be too situational under most circumstances
@tmbocheeko
@tmbocheeko Жыл бұрын
If the leaf refreshed a number of pegs relative to the board instead of a flat number i think it would actually be cool. Like make each refresh do 1/8 of the total pegs on the board or so, that way it keeps the downside but isn't as hard to work with depending on the board. They could alternatively make it so it refreshes pegs relative to the number of popped pegs, giving it another unique but still manageable downside. As it stands, it just feels really hard to use outside of a very niche build or two.
@WinterBlizzards
@WinterBlizzards Жыл бұрын
Leeeeaaaaf, I’m blown away by this one!
@TalkingHeadProductions
@TalkingHeadProductions Жыл бұрын
I think the fix for the leaf would be if they restore a percentage of the pegs on the board instead of a set amount. About 1/15th of the board sounds about right. You won't be netting pegs unless you've maxed refreshes, but it won't seem like you're losing all of the pegs after 1 shot.
@tacticalninja7096
@tacticalninja7096 Жыл бұрын
First time I’ve been early enough to get my comment seen since the upload change, and it’s cause I skipped class lol. Love all the current series tho, especially peglin and polybridge. Thank u for all the fun videos!
@dylandepetro4187
@dylandepetro4187 Жыл бұрын
I feel like that they should change the “Leaf” so that instead of refreshing 4 pegs, it refreshes 9.5 percent of the board. With only 10 refreshes, that is till a net loss, but at the same time, it is less of a “build killer” and more likely to be used. But the way it is now, I doubt many people use it.
@ViIvaNunner
@ViIvaNunner Жыл бұрын
i dont rememember exactly what the build was but the other day i had a really good leaf build; i think i had cookie but i think i had other refresh synergy like that one that gives a random muscircle or spinesse after every 4 refreshes; and then a bunch of multi ball stuff i think i mightve also had the defresh potion which probably made the whole build work super well. i love defresh potion
@FlameLord050
@FlameLord050 Жыл бұрын
I think the leaf could work out in a build that focuses on refresh triggers. Like deal damage on refresh but otherwise it just doesn't bring enough pegs back.
@murph3292
@murph3292 Жыл бұрын
all you really need for lead build to slap is duplication potion and the orb that shuffles refreshes around, every shuffle gets you 10 more refreshes.
@fujster
@fujster Жыл бұрын
I prefer the longer eps, but just happy for another peggle ep.
@rextanglr4056
@rextanglr4056 Жыл бұрын
the leaf is one of those things that seem good in concept but not that good in practice
@adumbchicken8022
@adumbchicken8022 Жыл бұрын
the concept of the leaf sounds super fun, it just needs a serious numbers buff.
@ChocoBidoof
@ChocoBidoof Жыл бұрын
I'm interested in how he makes the leaf work for a build
@fisker25
@fisker25 Жыл бұрын
Leaf definetely has some crazy synergy. Strange brew is almost required unless you have slimes or gift. Refreshes becomes AOE is fun. Critfleece + refreshes also crits is crazy. Bag of Orange Pegs works great with all the missing pegs. Same with defresh potion. Refresher Course will also quickly become nuts with the stat bonuses. Leaf is definetely one of the most situational boss relics but at it's peak it might be the strongest one there is.
@TheRubySpider
@TheRubySpider Жыл бұрын
Tyler: “Maybe today’s the day I finally make the assemball.” Me, reading the title of the video: “lol nope.”
@DarkKen87
@DarkKen87 Жыл бұрын
If you get the pipe or papers and a flame orb then leaf is pretty good man
@placeholderblankspace
@placeholderblankspace Жыл бұрын
24:35 THAT EDIT WAS INSANE I THOUGHT OF THE SAME THING FOR NO REASON
@nobodythegamer2557
@nobodythegamer2557 Жыл бұрын
For the mirrorb, i believe that the orb that is missing the buff +1/+2 buff is the mirrorb
@Me-ji7uq
@Me-ji7uq Жыл бұрын
Finally a new peglin video
@checkerbaal7530
@checkerbaal7530 Жыл бұрын
The more often you watch THE LITERAL FIRST SECOND of the Video the funnier it gets
@echtjoep02
@echtjoep02 Жыл бұрын
Let's go new peglin video
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