Finally Addressing the Drama

[@NaturesTemper]

As a zoologist I can confirm that due to how hamsters are built they can easily break a leg from a fall like that. Unlike rats which actually climb and jump for their lifestyle so are actually robust, hamsters are ground dwelling burrowing animals that aren't evolved for even minor heights. Charlie is 100% right to be concerned for these animals wellbeing.

[@stofficial9315]

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[@chunkyrabbit1032]

"bUt ThEy ShOwEd A cLiP oF tHe HaMsTeR fAlLiNg In CoTtOn"- the people with less than 2 functioning braincells who are most likely colorblind too to see that they used a different hamster

[@steinsberry1789]

Your wrong actually, I have 5 ph. D's in zoology.

[@mondracurry3797]

@@chunkyrabbit1032 😂😂😂

[@someasiankid6323]

poor hamsters

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

"I'm in this basement because I want to be " - a man in a basement he doesn't want to be in

[@Gekumatz]

Dont click the links below me not even worth your time.

[@josephjohns2518]

Fancy meeting you here, I'm a big fan

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

@@josephjohns2518 an honor to have you as a fan man !

[@highwaythruhell7882]

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[@thatoneguywiththatonename]

What do you mean he definitely wants to be there, look at that smile

[@RagingCookie127]

I appreciate that Charlie has the balls to insult his own audience when they're dumb enough to try and justify animal cruelty like this.

[@thatoneguy779]

yeah, what kind of idiot thinks animals constanly falling is good for them.

[@CrystalRose1111]

@@thatoneguy779 some people know in their heart that it’s probably wrong but they just don’t give a shit, and make excuses because their entertainment is more important

[@CrystalRose1111]

Streaming sites like twitch really bring out the sociopaths

[@tweenytwinkies]

@@CrystalRose1111 FR LIKE THEY WERE LIKE “its not a big deal get over it” LIKE ARE U FR? These are living things u have to care for dawg

[@GoodSmile3]

That's not insulting, more like teaching common sense for the 100500th time.

[@witchfira35]

Saying they'll survive is hardly a valid argument against this being abuse, that's why people who get abused and live to tell about it are called survivors!

[@konbkob4156]

It's like dropping people 10 feet from the sky and saying "Well they lived"

[@madeleine61509]

If you want definitive proof that they are NOT moving the padding underneath the hamsters as go along the platform, and they are just falling directly onto the ground visible on the sidelines: The timestamp of this video should be at 9:09, and the timestamp of the video he's watching should be at 10:59. The hamster is directly on top of the pillars that support the walkway. In the exact same still frame, you can see the bottom of the pillars, meaning we can see the ground DIRECTLY under the hamster. What do you not see? The box of cotton fluff that people are arguing is kept underneath the hamsters for when they fall. There is no padding. If the fact that they had magical color changing hamsters in the behind the scenes wasn't enough proof, then literal video proof of there not being a box of padding should do it.

[@kel7686]

*survivor song starts playing in the back round* IM A SURVIVOR

[@DinahAO]

exactly! even if they survived they’d likely have physical injuries and definitely emotional trauma. some people just dont see animals at any kind of worth and it’s genuinely worrying

[@sarahamira5732]

Yeah, like yeah I could probably drop my dog from four feet in the air and he would probably survive but that doesn't mean it's a good idea!!

[@l-_olvlo_-l]

I know as a 100% fact anyone disagreeing with Charlie literally hasn't handled a hamster. They're not rats or mice, they're not built to be falling from any height over a foot at the very most.

[@RemovingTheWingus]

You can literally take one look at them and know these stubby little balls of fluff have the same survivability of terminal velocity as a horse.

[@stofficial9315]

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[@tidepodpadthai2633]

Even besides the whole heights thing, why would anyone think any of this be enjoyable for the hamsters? I dunno if hamsters are easily scared like rabbits and guinea pigs are, but I assume so

[@Marco-cl9pb]

true people must be stupid enough to think hamsters are like squirrels...

[@buckethead60]

yeah and they were evolved to burrow not jump so i bet even like a half foot fall could hurt them

[@AshVeilll]

Charlie smiling definitely makes me think “I’m here voluntarily”, definitely.

[@wellusee688]

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[@chadchadderson2329]

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[@mauriciohiure2192]

bro these bots need some coochie

[@mauriciohiure2192]

@YeaMan yeah, Scott Pilgrim vs the World is the greatest manga of all time man

[@turtleman7031]

@YeaMan page *

[@demekagamine]

It's not even controversy, it's people that shouldn't own pets outing themselves as such.

[@tommy2buttz668]

Thought he was going to join MAMAMAX

[@froggysprite]

@@tommy2buttz668 same

[@star7communicator]

Hamsters die from the littlest things. Seeing people exploit this is absolutely abhorrent. Seeing people defend this just as much. 😭

[@hahnkf8111]

People need to do a better job reporting garbage. Not even just animal cruelty, just any weird child oriented dual-marketing propaganda like this in general.

[@LunarEleven]

Seriously! It just makes you wonder what all those people have done to animals before?

[@pheonixfire6638]

To anyone who never owned a hamster those things sometimes literally die if you breath or stare at them weirdly

[@nxz5818]

LMAO

[@kel7686]

LMFAO NO INTENSE STARING

[@BigDaddy0Kev]

A wasp killed mine years ago

[@BozesanVlad]

Your stare must be horrifying. :) But you're right.

[@quistador7]

I'm not trying to defend anybody... but it's a box full of cotton... You can easily hold it out of the shot and then just move it under the hamster. It clearly doesn't fall right away you still have some time to move it

[@icetusk]

Its stupid that he even has to explain this, props to him for not backing down on this

[@wqeqweqwewq7271]

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[@cartilagehead]

1 thumb for wisdom, and an extra thumb in spirit for a sweet Deerhoof av

[@juhalight5921]

Yep

[@daltonmm3675]

does he have to explain this though? is this drama? does anyone actually believe the opposite to where this is drama or matters

[@samuraigaming3042]

@@daltonmm3675 yes hundreds were defending the creators animal abuse it is drama

[@he4vensn1ght]

i’ve kept hamsters all my life, but it shouldn’t take someone with my expertise to realize that these little guys are being mistreated. the abuse of small animals is so normalized, especially on social media, and it’s so fucked. thank you for talking about this charlie!

[@6thdemon]

thank you for taking good care of your hamsters!! abuse with small animals is so disgustingly normalized

[@wyvernslayer4530]

Yall smoking crack? its not normalized

[@6thdemon]

@@wyvernslayer4530 it absolutely is offline. going in to my local pet stores i see wired wheels (hurt their paws) and plastic CritterTrail cages (too small, literal abuse.) its awful and i personally know people who have unknowingly abused their animals.

[@arctoonyx6286]

@@wyvernslayer4530 yes it is lol so many people treat small animals like expendable toys and plaster it all over the internet and barely anyone says a word

[@wyvernslayer4530]

@@arctoonyx6286 why havent i seen it then? I dont see glorification of small animal abuse anywhere. In fact i see it despised.

[@dizzyhq5100]

It’s really frustrating to see how these people aren’t willing to make things safer for these animals, in the process sacrificing absolutely nothing

[@exiledkenkaneki701]

Same goes to the farm cow mothers that have their kids taken away from them while they suffer

[@rasen-shinobi8125]

It's more entertaining tbh

[@natesmith3166]

@@rasen-shinobi8125 oh no not the hampsters

[@ReallyEggieBread]

@@rasen-shinobi8125 that doesn’t make it morally right tho.

[@magnitudemaster9198]

Hamsters shouldn’t be put in these situations for entertainment- it’s upsetting to see people literally abuse animals and get away with it on KZbin. Just sickening.

[@pugzzzplay3555]

As a verified hamster owner, they are not tanks, they are very small and being concerned for their well being from falling is 100% reasonable

[@scorch4299]

nobody cares

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

Oh

[@lovdriff6566]

@@scorch4299 well i do care

[@scorch4299]

@@lovdriff6566 no u dont. shut up.

[@veryepikhuman3958]

@@scorch4299 Then why watch the video lol.

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

The fact that their "behind the scenes" footage is so obviously edited, I'm actually worried it's worse than what we're imagining.

[@rebel4466]

Most likely a "disposable prop" to them

[@nunuuko]

@@rebel4466 Hamsters are insanely cheap, like $15 for a robo. They most likely do use them as a disposable prop sadly :(

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

Yeah, im thinking that too...maybe the hamster are having serious injury and cannot be shown to video (obviously) and they used a new similar looking (which is not lmao) new hamster

[@eanhamric8139]

I’m hoping that the original video didn’t show the right angles. As well as the other footage that showed padding. So they remade how they did it and just dropped the hamster. Really hope it’s nothing sinister.

[@LunarEleven]

Yep and the hamster that was shown falling with its leg was stuck in the original video was replaced with a different one in the "behind the scenes" version so you know for certain it's either dead or injured.

[@CYMotorsport]

What’s more common is something like a broken rib. I was a little weirdo who had a hamster as a kid and had to take ole Rocket to the vet after he injured himself on his wheel. Hamsters of course don’t talk but it’s safe to assume they feel chronic pain despite not telling us. I’ve broken ribs and it’s horrendous. But Rocket just wasn’t eating - I only Learned about the rib after he stopped eating and attributed it to his wheel incident. Which horrified me when the vet explained he was in so much pain he couldn’t eat and it’s common this actually kills them despite not showing many other symptoms. So yeah they can look “fine” and present like they aren’t injured given they can hide their compensating actions better being so small (eg slight limp or moving a bit slower) but they are brittle little warriors. Fuck that video, for Rocket.

[@evelyncampbell1049]

If possible prey animals especially will hide their injuries so they don't look weak. Weak/sick/injured animals are more likely to be targeted by predators. That's probably another reason it was hard to notice

[@jacks0npla7z77]

🤝

[@Pham5500]

For Rocket !

[@piscky]

For rocket

[@the_bruh4321]

Amen

[@PeachMilky_]

Thank you for standing by this, it’s so nice to finally hear a voice of reason on this topic. As someone who really loves hamsters so many of my friends kept sending me that stupid video expecting me to love it. Hamsters are sadly abused by so many and because they are so small a lot of people just don’t give a fuck. 😣

[@hilul6989]

100% agree. same with all small animals-especially rodents

[@jackersbanakers1554]

@@jack-qf3in What do you mean by this?

[@forgottens7712]

He means abortion

[@samuelmontplaisir116]

well if it died I hope they at least ate the hamster to not waste anything you know what I'm saying

[@pelic9608]

As a hamster myself, I approve this message.

[@pandurlolgg5780]

As a kid, I once bought myself a gold hamster. He died from the stress of being carried in a box from the store to my house.

[@Aidan-wu2ec]

💀

[@darkgrundi9543]

i had several and one of them (my second one) was a fucking giga chad. He looked our dog into the eyes damn straight who barked at him and then went on with his house designing.

[@cjham5272]

Negative survival instincts

[@eviljake5398]

imagine hanging from a hight that could paralyzed them

[@louisquartersson4555]

I think te same thing would’ve happened if i didn’t pet my bunny while driving to my home.

[@jaredrufolo2588]

Charlie is totally correct. Debunking isn't needed because why would they do all of this if there was nothing to hide.

[@mejustme269]

I’m not picking sides... but the box had been there for a minute. You can tell because you can see a piece of “glass” off to the left of the box at 9:43 or any shot with the box of fuz. So there’s 2 options. They put it there to make the shot more realistic, or it was just sitting under the bridge of glass when the glass fell

[@vibrantyt]

@@mejustme269 they obviously thought about how the glass fell, but you can literally see the hamster falling at a completely different angle in the shot with the padding

[@mejustme269]

@@vibrantyt yea I’m aware I was just pointing it out because he never brings it up and I’ve seen no comments pointing it out :) the first thing I said in my previous comment was I’m not picking sides

[@lonniex866]

@@mejustme269 Well there's really no sides TO pick, animal abuse isn't okay and they're clearly trying their hardest to cover something up.

[@mejustme269]

@@lonniex866 yes there is 2 sides. one that believes the animals were abused and one that believed they weren’t. :) No one is saying that animal abuse is okay :)

[@alcottic]

I used to own a hamster awhile ago and Charlie is completely right. When owning a hamster, you have to be very gentle as they are small creatures. If you were to scare a hamster with a sneeze or a loud noise it could kill it. It's so fucking disappointing to hear people defend what they were doing to those poor hamsters. EDIT: holy shit this blew up. Well, I hope everyone had a great holiday!

[@LovefulPersson]

*CHARLIE* is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 5k Likes on my new song!! She definitely buy me a professional mic!! *Begging you GUYS!!* Please...I LOVE OU! I'M NOT LYING! PLS!.

[@kiri7678]

I own a hamster and I'm scared to even make too much noise when I enter the room as I don't wanna startle it given how stressed out they can get. The thought of dropping them from heights, putting them in confined spaces and making them dizzy seems incredibly cruel. It's not that these videos are made for the sake of abuse, but it is clear the owners don't care about the safety of the animals at all.

[@lred1383]

To be fair, he seems to misunderstand the physics involved. Hamsters can take falls quite a bit better than humans because of their tiny mass, so saying that it's "pretty high for a little hamster" doesn't really make sense. It's still wrong to do this since it's unnecessary risk of minor damage, but he, and a lot of animal rights vigilantes got the physics of it backwards Edit: guys, i specifically said i think what they did is WRONG. All i'm doing is correcting a misunderstanding that seems to be present

[@leviathan903]

@@LovefulPersson just work a job and buy one yourself like everyone else, if you are that desperate

[@oshabot1646]

@@LovefulPersson your mom

[@ZeoWorks]

My rabbit passed away by falling from a lesser height. I still miss him every day.

[@ultra4254]

rip rabbit

[@robertschnobert9090]

@@ultra4254 rip rabbit 🐇🐰🥕

[@yoaker]

Rip zeoworks rabbit you will be missed

[@fax6821]

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[@imafkingbeastandrewtateise9563]

Looool bruh my cat also died this video is her memorial kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfEc5WQoLWUitE

[@KeybladeKnight14]

I'm really believing that the majority of Charlie's Twitch chat are edgy kids because I find it hard to believe that a full grown adult is defending and justifying animal abuse without any sort of logic.

[@CrimsyCreates]

I'd like to agree, but being dense is pretty ageless. Besides, who do you think are making these videos in the first place? This is not an edgy kids channel, there are actual adults behind those expensive cameras who are more than fine with exploiting and abusing tiny animals for money. I've witnessed adults brushing off animal injuries as being ''not serious'' a lot in my life too. You can't give too much credit to adults, some of them are just grown up kids that stayed horrible and never matured an ounce in their life.

[@RedEzelt]

After catching one of his streams yesterday, I 100% agree with this.

[@ammagon4519]

You're right, absolutely right.

[@peterk.2108]

@@CrimsyCreatesI can guarantee you the people in that chat were no older than 17

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

I'm a vet. If a hamster breaks its leg there's basically nothing we can do. They're usually euthanised on welfare grounds (because we can't fix it, the only other option is the hamster living in constant pain). I'm 100% with Charlie on this one.

[@jasonstarrising]

how come a vet couldn't decipher that maybe the first time they shot the video they only recorded with one perspective, and they avoided showing the box w/ foam in those shots. Then after they recorded the original video, they showed us where the hamsters actually fell with a different hamster and a different shot? edit: I take back my comment, sorry about that. It is weird how the foam box is that small and only covers for the hamster exactly where it fell (near the end), when there are holes beforehand that clearly don't have foam underneath. They try to make it seem like a camera trick when in reality its obvious there wasn't any foam there.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

@@jasonstarrising when you've given as many heartstick euthanasias to rodents with broken legs as i have, then we can have this conversation.

[@DanzelGlovington]

I had 2 gerbils have a few limbs amputated so they could live without the damaged limb

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

@@DanzelGlovington it can be done, but there’s still a pretty big QoL question wrt both mobility and the fact that the animal can experience constant postop pain without it necessarily being obvious. going to surgery with a rodent you also have to consider the fact that rodents have a very high risk of dying under anaesthesia (about 1 in 50 vs. like 1 in 900 with dogs), and realistically owners often aren’t willing to pay for surgery on small furries in the same way that they would a dog or a cat and opt for PTS instead.

[@fax6821]

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[@TheGroundedCoffee]

Proving again why dislikes are such a big thing to have. Screw KZbin and above all screw people who treat animals like this.

[@tomfoolery7797]

KZbin should really have a policy against animal channels, at least some strict guidelines, like the KZbin guidelines for swearing is literally stricter than the guidelines for animal abuse on KZbin.

[@fax6821]

Fax!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIq2oXiXfseBbdE . .

[@yeng1855]

@@tomfoolery7797 It won't matter if it gets them views. The only way is to stoop down on their level and shout it out until it becomes a big deal.

[@Hankz3]

I was about to write the same exact thing, one main reason why KZbin removed dislike button, because they are all just bunch of hypocritical greedy pieces of degeneracity, scared of truth and scared of admitting they support, pedos, animal cruelty, gore and shit ton of anything worst humanity can lead to, im just tired of seeing what people run our planet ....

[@toril2160]

So so true

[@yee8332]

As a hamster owner, I greatly appreciate what you've said. People constantly support or excuse blatant animal abuse videos like hamster squid game with the guise of being "entertainment" or "funny". It doesn't matter the pet: dog, hamster, etc. But small animals receive the most disregard when they are abused. The original hamster squid game was cruel and downright inhumane. Every hamster in the video was visibly panicked and stressed. There was no safety or precaution taken to truly prevent the hamsters from being injured on set. I have no doubt that all of the hamsters in the video were either severely injured, traumatized, or died directly because of the forced filming.

[@xenolenoo]

whoever made it must have known this and used it to make it more similar to actual squid game

[@yee8332]

Further clarification: Hamsters can easily die from not only injuries, but also stress. Many hamster illnesses/diseases, like wet tail, are directly caused by stress and can easily lead to death. Being forced through the obstacle course with extremely high heights and no protection is absolutely stressful enough to singlehandedly cause a death.

[@highwaythruhell7882]

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[@lexerwilliams8880]

Same goes for snakes. A lot of People have a disliking of them so when they are abused people ether don’t see it or ignore it.

[@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394]

Yea, animals are not toys

[@RealRushinRussian]

Watching hamsters hanging on one limb desperately fighting for their lives as funky circus music plays is seriously disturbing and upsetting. Padding or not, how exactly is this entertainment to begin with?

[@quistador7]

I'm not trying to defend anybody... but it's a box full of cotton... You can easily hold it out of the shot and then just move it under the hamster. It clearly doesn't fall right away you still have some time to move it

[@jxr5]

@@quistador7 you can easily show an uncut edit of the hamster falling into the cotton. they didn’t do that so just shut up 😦😦

[@girthydawg9829]

@@quistador7 the box of cotton they showed was below the floor. Not only that but the box of cotton wasn’t even wide enough to cover the full course if it actually was just sitting there not being moved. Actually watch the video

[@quistador7]

@@girthydawg9829 I watched the full video. I'm saying just because YOU didn't see it being moved, doesn't mean there wasn't a person right there moving as they walked along. I'm not denying them hurting the animals, I'm just offering a counter argument that might explain what is happening. But you're such a fucking Charlie Stan that you just defend his position no matter what. Go touch grass

[@milenamilosevic3739]

I know, it was actually very stressful and disturbing

[@dozi6429]

Watching them desperately struggling to not fall was so upsetting, the fuck? They must’ve been so terrified

[@arthurhyatt9217]

Facts! Like what? lol

[@vanillaelf3320]

this was something that really disturbed me also and I was a little surprised that the psychological abuse didn’t come up in the video

[@salimkania]

They most likely died. Internal bleeding, my friends hamster fell from about 3-4 inches and died later...

[@dokadoka4922]

@@salimkania I had a hamster accidentally fall 3-4 inches (-ish?) from the ground as well and she broke her leg. People think hamsters are built strong like rats, and they really aren't. Anyone who has owned hamsters know that they're very fragile and clumsy.

[@billscratchtalks1557]

@@dokadoka4922 true they're so weak that if the drink is too dirty, they die, they literally die.

[@iiuyue]

as someone who actually has owned a couple of hamsters, they are extremely delicate creatures that are NOT built for surviving even minor heights, unlike squirrels or rats who live their life to climb and jump. it is rare indeed for a hamster to die from a fall, but its likely that they could have broken a leg or two. truly disgusting of them to also fake the “behind the scenes”, i’d be very worried about the hamsters wellbeing as well.

[@randomdude9955]

exactly, 10 centimetres and they can easily break

[@randomdude9955]

10 centimetres is nothing and can easily bruise or break a leg

[@ApokalyptikNM]

yeah like i seen flying squirrels jump from very high trees to other trees and survive but with the hamster i was extremely worried especially with the spikes i was literally covering my eyes when i see videos like this or anything, it, or what ever kind of species that is that treat animals poorly should have them taken away and into a better home at this point i can see why people like animals more than some humans honestly..

[@natw5040]

well said @Heyo

[@paprikalp7989]

I assume people like this are people that watched one video where they say that mice won't die when dropped from 2 stories high because of the square-cube law

[@oldtrash6038]

I gotta agree with Charlie on this one. Even if the hamster is fine afterwards its still abuse. If your dad hits you but you aren't injured after it's still abuse. Doesn't matter if the victim is injured afterward it's still abuse and it makes me sick.

[@highwaythruhell7882]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS.

[@brandosmid2544]

Great point

[@xxdarkhexx1472]

Agreed

[@myxeberry6824]

Yes

[@dabillya6845]

,

[@shi2inshi2in72]

Not to mention in the "behind the seans" video, they show hamsters housed together in tiny cages. If you didn't know, hamsters are extremely territorial and will fight to the death with other hamsters (most of the time.) Hamster cages need to be above 460sq inches at the minimum and big wheels with lots of enrichment and sand baths. So even if the hamsters did survive they would still be living a miserable life.

[@itsMeUhDanii]

I can’t believe so many people in his chat were defending the abuse, like wtf?!. Hamsters are so fragile and it scares me to know there are so many abusers are arguing with Charlie.

[@loggen3870]

Yeah they are psychos. Kids who abuse or kill little creatures turn into killers. It's either being edgy or actually they are the owner of that channel

[@Cuumerr]

@@loggen3870 nah I used to torture bugs and animals and I’m not a killer and I think that the hamster video was bad so stfu?

[@loggen3870]

@@Cuumerr no I said it starts with it. Meaning you could see what you were doing was bad. I've killed animals sure but never would I take a humans life

[@h3avenscent]

@@Cuumerr get help

[@Cuumerr]

@@h3avenscent ok band kid

[@greyhoundish]

Veterinary nurse here. Even if they're not physically harmed these situations are still extremely psychologically stressful for the hamsters, which can compromise their immune system, allowing them to contract fatal diseases more easily. Stress can also cause sudden heart attacks and strokes.

[@sierragoin863]

I think of wet tail when I think of stress and hamsters. They're so fragile like a lil flower petal.

[@eliguyah]

The hamsters looked like they where holding on for dear life.

[@drxzt]

@@eliguyah because they're genuinely scared, the video is pretty fucked up, idk whats entertaining about watching a hamster go through all that, and for what?

[@Katharoni]

Your icon being Dawn makes this even more beleivable somehow

[@josephmurphy417]

@@drxzt Well most people aren't aware of how fragile they can be including Charlie which is why in the stream he thought it was cute but switched teams when he learned how easily stressed out they are and how detrimental stress can be for them

[@GerberBabyOfficial]

Anyone who’s owned a hamster knows how easily injured they can get. You can’t just drop one from 10 feet with no padding, let alone sneeze on them without breaking their backs.

[@Schadenfreude4231]

They can get a heart attack or a seizure if you just look at them wrong.

[@shipchaseplays6988]

A hamster can poop itself and die. It's more what can't they die to

[@adkprism]

@@shipchaseplays6988 I had a hamster when I was 7 did research and everything and the mf died because of the sound of thunder

[@youtubefan8646]

@Lawful Spoon you talking about that squeak they make? That always got me it why I can’t have them anymore.

[@shipchaseplays6988]

@Lawful Spoon thats impressive. But it doesn't take my attention away from the "was invincible" 😂

[@hanb3763]

half the people in the chat had hamsters as kids and probably mistreated them and killed them in a variety of strange and horrible ways, but just because their hamsters as kids didn’t die from dropping them on the floor doesn’t mean dropping them on the floor was right. Same thing with this video. Also, that one hamster dangling from the rope would definitely break its foot or back solely from the stress and position of being clamped by its foot. PLUS the fact that hamsters need HUGE enclosures and cannot be housed together, and the chances of this creator giving those huge enclosures to each and every one of their hamsters is so unlikely. I’m sure that they’re often replaced. Thank you Charlie for actually addressing this because so few people do.

[@ettel8358]

"It's a hamster, who cares. Don't be a Karen" was definitely the mindset of the people defending the channel. There's really ZERO reason to make the obstacle so high up, unless they wanted the hamsters actually punished for losing

[@FINNlSH]

People defending the channel are people enjoying small animals get hurt. Its worrying to say the least

[@grangenhocker]

i mean...... it is squid games

[@Industry-insider]

I hate to defend the video but they probably put the padding under when they were about to fall because they would actually get hurt from that distance and someone raised them so what’s the chance they also have no regard for them

[@ettel8358]

Grangen Yeah, they should've had the actors in the show die for real

[@renzmanzano4010]

stop being a sjw its just a hamster

[@rob_the_brobot2630]

It’s completely obvious that the hamster in the glass bridge in the “safe fall” is about 15 shades darker orange than the original hamster. Whoever on stream said Charlie is “jumping to conclusions” is a freaking brainlet.

[@treywar25]

Welcome to the internet man

[@Monafied]

Average twitch user.

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

its prob a max viewer the brainlet that said charlie is jumping to conclusions

[@l-_olvlo_-l]

The fake bts clip should've sealed the deal for literally everyone but this is the internet so

[@gavinpalmer4458]

@ARTIST LABEL shut up

[@4nn13h7]

It’s always appropriate to speak up if something seems wrong. Charlie was right to do so. Even if hamsters happened not to be hurt in this specific video, they’re clearly scared and stressed, and other viewers could be encouraged to mistreat animals by it. Good on Charlie for calling that out and thinking about creatures who can’t speak for themselves.

[@FindingNe]

Yeah even the way the hamster was hanging from the string from one leg was kind of jarring

[@pepper-em5306]

I think that what can happen is that a lot of otherwise good intentioned people are watching the video, they trust KZbin and they see the shot of the fluff that the hamsters fell in and theyre enjoying the video. Then when Charlie started calling out what he thought was wrong these people are defending their own judgement and not the actual video. It's easy to see Charlie's argument but its not easy to admit that you missed it and might have been enjoying a video of animal abuse. People get defensive in that case and will try to say "no this video is fine because I would never like something that had animal abuse and I know it when I see it"

[@4nn13h7]

@@pepper-em5306 I think that’s a really good insight.

[@losergorila_6306]

That’s true, and he has the right to be concerned too, even if he were to be wrong, it was pretty upsetting to see the hamsters clinging on for fear of falling :(

[@butameremortal9424]

Absolutely You never have to defend yourself for defending the defenseless!

[@Big-Chungus21]

This is actually the exact reason rat cages arnt to be used for hamsters, the higher hight of a rat cage could mean that the hamster climbs up, falls down and hurts itself.

[@thelordaboveknowall]

@FiveGreenBottles Sitting on a wall XD

[@kadebrockhausen]

Even if the spikes would not impale the hamsters, I still don't think having the point jabbed into your stomach would feel good! That sounds painful af even if it's not actually deadly!

[@Lussra]

They could probably get pretty bad bruising

[@djraptorthetrashraptor7701]

not to mention the absolutely fucking horrendous internal damage those might cause.

[@entity5279]

@The TacoCat dont tell that to us you weiner, if you actually recovered them tell charlie, do you know how much money you could lose by saying this shit if you actually have the videos?

[@tealablu3759]

I don’t care if they were flat on top, I bet it could still hurt them

[@breewashere]

Shit I walk into non-sharp objects and hurt myself. Poor hamsters... 😔

[@farahlee821]

its seriously disgusting how hard people are trying to prove how it’s not wrong? like have humans really regressed to defending animal abuse??

[@apatheticeye6955]

People have gotten bored because they have no adversity and when people are bored they regress to hedonism and worst.

[@RichardCranium69420]

@@iabproductionsofficial get over yourself mate. That whole "everyone is racist and the world is horrible" bullshit is getting so old

[@Industry-insider]

I hate to defend the video but they probably put the padding under when they were about to fall because they would actually get hurt from that distance and someone raised them so what’s the chance they also have no regard for them

[@Industry-insider]

What if it’s not actually abuse

[@pyroisafemboy6994]

@@RichardCranium69420 pretty sure he just meant people are defending racism when people know full well it's bad no matter what race it is. Calm down son

[@MIMI-tf9hv]

I'm a hamster owner and these videos fucking break my heart. A lot of people unfortunately don't have as much empathy for hamsters because they're not cats or dogs

[@Mrs_Sugar_Min]

That's hamster abuse!😢

[@higoodbye7545]

A venn diagram of the people defending the video/channel and the people who as kids squeezed their hamster or accidentally hurt them some other way is basically a circle if I had to guess :/

[@AxxLAfriku]

NO, NOW YOU LISTEN TO ME! why should i waste my time at school? i am super famous on youtube. tell me, dear mim

[@roberteospeedwagon44]

Microwave it, it’ll give it superpowers

[@obitouchiha2581]

No some people just don’t have any empathy at all!!! Not for animals, not for humans, not for anyone and anything. Like I always say: I see so many humans each and every day, but no humanity

[@jaxgoodboy7886]

The difference between a hamster and a lot of other rodents is that hamsters are terrestrial and burrow-diggers. Squirrels and rats are built to climb and maneuver narrow obstacles.

[@Goat-on-a-Stick]

Something about people causing injury or harm to animals just sets me off.

[@tyty_5869]

I’m sure most can agree

[@kodokijo7341]

Username checks out

[@enricovangelderen6464]

EEEEYYYEEEEE ITSA GOAT ON A STICK WATCHING THE CHARLE VIDOE EYYYY

[@none_o_ur_bidnis]

Jealousy?

[@chillalmalik4344]

Username

[@ketzk]

This is why we love Charlie, calling out this abhorrent bs.

[@dacioana3310]

facts at tis point hes basically a reincarnation of jesus

[@highwaythruhell7882]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@TheRugarat]

@@highwaythruhell7882 no you didnt. Don't click the links boys

[@user-bs9hq2xw3g]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmaqaGl8oLiJms0 VikinGs

[@Tyorne13]

@@dacioana3310 wait if he's jesus are his brothers the 12 apostles?

[@jamesclark6949]

Having worked at a pet store that sold hamsters, we had several incidents of worker negligence where hamsters being mishandled and dropped from waist high, caused significant injury. Hamster injuries are basically a death sentence because: 1) finding a vet that will work with them can prove difficult. 2) a lot of the times nothing can be done for broken bones in hamsters, so it’s either terrible quality of life or euthanasia, and it’s pretty much always the latter. Also we had to be extremely gentle and careful when waking them up or working in their cages because yes, if they get too scared they can have a heart attack and die. We had a couple die from kids simply tapping on their cages too loud. They are very delicate creatures. Edit: grammar

[@woomyzooms3781]

the neckbeards in charlies chat thinks otherwise

[@steelrain714]

How do these things survive in the wild lmao.

[@goosebeans3888]

@@steelrain714 There's a surprising lack of suspended glass-bridges in the wild.

[@thejazzy6012]

@@steelrain714 I think the evolved to be skittish so they could quickly escape predators. A lot of other prey animals can die of shock like rabbits. And then when you factor in how small hamsters are (espuecally dwarf ones) the world must be terrifying

[@BlahkieUnicornz]

@@steelrain714 wild hamsters are a bit more robust than domestic hamsters as domestic hamsters have been super breed into being the frail nervous little things they are. Think like a bobcat vs a Persian cat lol. Also they are live mainly underground so they don't normally encounter children loudly tapping on their nests or being picked up and dropped from 3+ feet.

[@Orciwan548]

I love how fired up he gets for hamsters. Great guy

[@pieceofwood7064]

Find a man who wont backdown defending you like how charlie defends hamsters....im with you charlie

[@ertretyutuu6358]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@craigusselman546]

KZbin Jesus Luvs hampers good for you Charlie

[@roguexivan2909]

wood

[@Killer-vi4ih]

He is JESUS

[@Momijishii]

for real and its nice to watch it

[@tiana1420]

Seriously what a great guy he is to be putting this out there in the public. I had no idea these things were happening.

[@ashroskell]

It’s distressing to think that people took all this time and trouble to make this video, without ever stopping to think about the distress they caused the animals. It’s not even relevant whether they were physically hurt. The fact that they desperately cling to the walkway is PROOF that they’re suffering! Even Charlie barely discussed the emotional harm they did to these little guys, though it seems he was thinking of it. The makers of this video playing the Squid Game? Now that would be a fun watch. ✌️👍

[@boredbored2754]

@@ashroskell desperate irrelevant clowns will do anything for attention, if it gets views they will do it.

[@TehWhiteTiger]

Please whoever defends this. Never get a pet, let alone have children.

[@kuimiko]

@ARTIST LABEL i hope you won’t get 5k likes

[@joes4600]

@@kuimiko 💀

[@veggsbacon1891]

Exactly! Disgusting people out there.

[@Ze_eT]

@ARTIST LABEL As much as KZbin (figuratively) removing dislikes sucks, at least it means you won't get as many views from people who just come to dislike your videos.

[@aj3706]

How some people treat animals can be very different to how they treat humans. So I disagree with the ''children" part. But the "never get a pet" part can I agree with

[@c4tb0mb]

Charlie is the ultimate internet vigilante. He will admit when he's wrong, and he also exposes the wrongdoers.

[@mynameischris378]

You're completely right in this situation. The only "controversy" here is the worrying amount of animal abuse apologists that are lurking in the comments.

[@novaknight402]

Hi Chris

[@indie_keegan]

Chris, my guy, that PFP is horrifying lol

[@breewashere]

You can literally see the ground there was no big ass box like they claimed. 😑

[@lf198]

You mean comments?

[@mynameischris378]

@@lf198 My bad, it was late at night when I wrote that. Fixed

[@ShaneT5S]

"They'll survive the fall, it's fine" Yes, just like how humans can survive falls from multiple times their height. Several bones are broken, but they live. The same goes for hamsters. Sure they may survive the fall, but they'll be broken. And the fact that they used completely different shots of hamsters falling into padding, that's 100% suspicious and questions need to be asked.

[@royalsolar11]

I wouldn't say the same, it's worse for hamsters

[@fax6821]

True:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIq2oXiXfseBbdE . . .

[@boiifyoudontfaggumas4648]

Even with no broken bones, ground shock hurts like a bitch! Feels like your feet are actually broken, and haven't everyone experience being "winded" or "knocked the air out if there lungs" you literally feel like you can't breathe and your dying.

[@AmaryInkawult]

I mean they can, it's just difficult to do and requires specific conditions. Also not one soul actually wants to be thrown out of a plane to test if they can achieve it first try.

[@AmaryInkawult]

A fighter jet pilot survived getting jetisoned without a parachute mid flight and lived to smoke a cigarette after dusting snow off himself

[@cecig_7603]

Chat overestimated how smart they actually were, no surprise there. It's honestly concerning that they'd even try to make excuses for these clout chasing, animal abusing lunatics.

[@BenDover-lw6bb]

It’s so weird seeing Charlie’s twitch chat vs his KZbin comments which KZbin comments have more common sense

[@myquirkisfred9614]

@fine When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. -Matthew 6:6 God is not a new concept to people. They are aware of it. Stop spamming your beliefs in the comments. If they want to find god, they can do it on their own.

[@TheKayasto]

@@BenDover-lw6bb yt is likely more adult than his twitch chat is.

[@chrisi7127]

@@myquirkisfred9614 damn nice one

[@easypete3630]

@@myquirkisfred9614 nice job

[@herdiex1940]

At 10:08 someone in the chat says "at the end of the day its a hamster a rodent id sit on one right now and not feel bad".. how are people this fucking cruel?

[@domereliefhub5248]

they think it’s funny because they live in a personal reality completely detached from real life

[@Adrian-by3gb]

That's just how some people are, and it's so fucking disgusting.

[@marcorodriguez8792]

That is how some people are

[@Nemenis]

Some people see hamster as chicken, as a Chinese myself I love eating dogs. So if you’re offended by that chat, then you’re racist to different cultures

[@herdiex1940]

@@Nemenis what does this even mean brother

[@michaelamyers8549]

I have to take Charlie's side here... it's actually concerning the amount of people thinking this is okay. Glad you're sticking to your gut here Charlie you are absolutely right

[@wwefan11222]

@Von Xherka You'd be amazed, I bet a lot of women are subbed to Charlie.

[@selkie.strings]

@@wwefan11222 I've been watching him for years. Probably one of the best genuine KZbinrs out there.

[@clairebear023]

@Von Xherkashockingly, women are Real

[@solidfrisky6706]

@Von Xherka been subbed to him for years

[@solidfrisky6706]

@@clairebear023 lmao

[@TsubomiKido_hoodie]

Hamsters evolved in flat areas. They are so specialized for flatness that they can barely recognize a cliff. If you've ever had a hamster, you know they will just run off the side of a bed or your hands with 0 hesitation. They are not in the slightest sense built to take a fall like that, especially not syrian hamsters which are just as fragile as dwarf hamsters but with extra weight that makes an impact worse. I had a syrian who died from falling off the bottom of the cage lid and getting a brain injury, like 10 inches fall max.

[@Lissbirds]

This.

[@TheAdrift]

YES! The people out there spouting off about “oh, hamsters can do that body-parachute-thing to reduce drag for an efficient fall” no no no, you’re thinking of squirrels, which were adapted for life in the TREES.

[@jahmair862]

@@TheAdrift WHAT 😭

[@sonchild2881]

@@jahmair862 Give me your ip

[@ashen0001]

@McBoyLeo some of them look cute

[@aimo2550]

its sweet that charlie speaks up about the safety of the hamsters, which are one of the most neglected pets out there.

[@SomeGuyHowGoesIt]

@tretret ertertert nah

[@Industry-insider]

I hate to defend the video but they probably put the padding under when they were about to fall because they would actually get hurt from that distance and someone raised them so what’s the chance they also have no regard for them

[@joielain7839]

small rodents and fish really fucking are abused all the time it's crazy how people treats them like fucking house deco

[@zachary0906]

@@Industry-insider I see where your coming from but the video has the likes and a lot of the comments disabled I can’t get passed that

[@Kendrick_had_a_dream]

@@Industry-insider Stop copy and pasting your comment

[@robintrash]

Anybody who has handled an actual hamster should know how brittle and delicate there bones are. A fall from that height, depending on the angle at which they fall, they could sprain or even break a bone, or give them brain damage.

[@goatvomit]

No dude he's totally right. Hamsters need gentle handling. I'm so upset for these little fuzzy babies... :(

[@highwaythruhell7882]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@alzarax5812]

@@highwaythruhell7882 Discover some bitches

[@stinky_cat5782]

@@alzarax5812 the damn bot has 1000 comments lmao

[@leytonnc1047]

Y would anyone want to hurt a hampter

[@mezrahmasada5494]

Lets say Charlie is wrong (objectively, he's right), why the fuck is there controversy about a youtuber showing concern or care for potential animal abuse. If the worry is canceling the hamster channel, its on the hamster channel to make very clear the hamsters are safe. Which they are not. This being said, charlie is still fucking right

[@ethanstyant9704]

Exactly, how is this a "controversy". That implies a provocative or disliked opinion

[@erismason3441]

People are mad because he's right and they don't wanna hear that their entertainment is causing actual harm to animals, imo.

[@kae2009]

Its bc its a vegan arguement and people hate on caring for animals for no reason

[@goranpersson7726]

@@kae2009 that aint a vegan arguement, there is not a lot of people who eat hamsters. if there wasnt countries with high amounts of poverty and starvation issues I would dare to say that there are none. eitherway no 1st world country people have any real conflicts of interest with vegans on this

[@kae2009]

@@goranpersson7726 this hamster is being abused.. not eaten.? Can you reread my comment? I think you misunderstood

[@lolamb343]

you are 1000% right to stand by this. hamsters are SO fragile. even a small fall can really hurt them...

[@akac1]

literally putting hamsters in stressful injury prone situations, i have a terrible fear of heights, this would scar me for life lol

[@phyzarel1845]

Not even being a hamster owner, my ex owned a bunch of hamsters and not even trying to be negligent a lot of them didn’t make it.

[@soursaccharine]

exactly. just look at those tiktoks of people talking about the stupidest ways their pet hamsters have died

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

Which means the edited one was different one because........ they're not dead right?

[@thatrandommaninthestreet9160]

@@GamerConnoisseurRei hearing many stories on how peoples hamsters have died, that fall would have killed a hamster so unfortunately I do believe it died and it got replaced to “cover” up

[@AmaterianAngel]

Rabbits are super sensitive too. Startling or stressing them too much can just cause them to have a heart attack and die.

[@kylieaudrey6791]

I was always told that hamsters could die from even a fall of a couple inches. They’re little bones are so fragile. This is so terribly sad.

[@sinisterwombat3128]

But, clout!

[@sircheeseman938]

ikr -_- T-T Just imagine those hamsters... trying to move. Can hamsters cry :( ?

[@Cuumerr]

Yes they’re the weakest animal in the world 💀

[@taylorsoucy4023]

A lot of people even think their hamsters are dead when they’re hibernating and it’s sad because they just throw them away and they later on die in the trash

[@szatan9717]

@Qyx Wdym vegan are you eating fucking hamsters or what XDD or is it because people are upset that people are purposefully hurting animals (not even for consumption, they just put animals in danger for fame)

[@Vampire.427]

I think a lot of people are comfortable defending animal cruelty. Truly horrible behavior. I'm glad you are shedding light on these scummy people

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

You THINK? These are the same people who defend spanking and yelling at CHILDREN. Of course they're animal abusers!

[@radiocorrective]

Like non vegans. Everyday I have to hear that crap.

[@christianmcbrearty]

@@radiocorrective I'm a vegetarian not a vegan and I still care for animals.

[@farkasbenii]

@@nomoretwitterhandles mad

[@guitarhands746]

#pickasideyoutube

[@okami7847]

Damn we really don't deserve Charlie, mad respects to him for calling this bs out.

[@ertretyutuu6358]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@ertretyutuu6358]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS.

[@shyamsingla716]

Tbh i am too naive and didn't notice the change in hamster at first glance but it was a totally different one. This makes the whole thing sketchy

[@ertretyutuu6358]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS.

[@aydn1659]

I have never met someone with so much common sense. Probably the most overlooked quality today.

[@hideyourfrown.official6039]

Even spiders get hurt if they get dropped from that high up

[@FreyaWarr]

It’s ridiculous how wanting to treat an animal humanly gets you labeled as a snowflake…settle down psychopaths.

[@fax6821]

Fax!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIq2oXiXfseBbdE . . .

[@utahgetmetwo72]

Right?! Like, it’s not like I’m going to devote my life to ending hamster abuse but I’m gonna lend a small hand when presented the opportunity to even if it’s just a minor cause because why wouldn’t you? Just because they aren’t dying or being subject to something worse, doesn’t make it okay. If being a snowflake means doing my best to make the world as healthy and as happy as I can make it, then call me the biggest snowflake on the planet! ❄️😁

[@star-tio4518]

worst part those comment were made by 7y

[@limeadel303]

Exactly. I know a fair lot abt hamsters and they have poor vision- they are not able to see the edge. Not only that but they can get easily stressed especially because humans and hamsters are very different

[@Kitschune24]

It seems like a lot of things will get you labeled as a snowflake as of late. Though, I guess that's always been a thing, just under different guises. If it makes me overly sensitive to care about the well-being of animals, so be it. Sometimes you have to ruin the fun to get things done.

[@elliejean7715]

Another person who has actually studied animal care here - hamsters are designed to run on flat plains for long distances (often miles in one night), and they burrow DOWN. Anything to do with UP (climbing, jumping, falling) is dangerous because it isn’t a natural behaviour, aka their bodies literally aren’t destined for it. The only reason you see hamsters ‘climbing’ is because we keep them in tiny shitty barred cages where they’re bored out of their mind all day.. and yes, they do fall and hurt themselves, often.

[@MrW1nters]

Pleb

[@decorous10yearsago5]

@@MrW1nters damn, he just said pleb. daaaang

[@elliejean7715]

@@decorous10yearsago5 lmao, thanks for the laugh

[@cloud-homestudio8128]

@@MrW1nters Zero empathy is a characteristics of Subhuman behavior

[@theodorehoff6484]

@@cloud-homestudio8128 its a joke

[@glebstepkin2430]

I was expecting Charlie to be exaggerating certain details, but that fall definitely caused a loss of some sort.

[@ImAngwy]

pfp gave nostalgia

[@josephmurphy417]

Nope what he said was completely true I used to have a pet hamster it was in amazing health not deficiencies or anything that would cause it to get injured easier than other hamsters and it broke a leg twice during the time I had it falling from like six inches from one of those plastic pet play structures that add a second floor to the cage down into about a half inch of paper bedding which is decently good for padding as for them dying of stress from a sneeze I haven't witnessed it but my girlfriend used to have three and she said one died because she dropped her bag after school and it got too scared so yeah I'm pretty sure unless she was lying to me which I trust she wasn't that hamsters are indeed that fragile

[@hunter24574]

i think the original hamster died from the fall and thats why they show a different one in the box

[@crep4114]

@@hunter24574 i fear you might be right

[@theguyof360]

@@hunter24574 why would they even want to kill the hamster? it would not be beneficial

[@tylerjaesmith]

Thanks for talking about this Charlie. At the end of the day, animals are not toys. The lack of empathy for living things is concerning to say the least.

[@r1pp3rr0]

The hamster I had while I was a kid used to climb over the ceiling of its cage. She died for abdominal hemorrhage after a fall from there. Like 30 centimeters. I still remember the vet trying to drain the blood as a nightmare.

[@horsegirlsanne]

@The TacoCat Dude come on, this is just insensitive at this point

[@tealablu3759]

I’m sorry that happened to you and your hamster 😞

[@Cheese_Shoes]

If you look closely, Charlie is actually blinking in Morse code: “This is the greatest kidnapping of all time”.

[@rustloser7178]

@You have to know god isn’t real bozo

[@finncampbell6524]

of All Time*

[@Syther_]

Finally, an original of all time comment.

[@dcp0102]

@@rustloser7178 ok edgelord

[@asdgt2714]

Dude made a funny comment And the replies are dogshit

[@Astralific]

“It’s just a hamster” Still, did they have to stoop so low to hurt animals for a video? Just proves how scummy people are, including the ones defending the channel.

[@itsyaboialex_2494]

Yes

[@ranniwolves]

the “just a hamster” argument is so horrible too, it’s a living being that’s scared and in a potentially dangerous and stressful situation

[@Astralific]

@@yasminaermert4373 I wouldn’t eat a hamster, doesn’t sound right, i also don’t see the your point of assuming that i’m a vegan

[@3fl1ppp]

Exactly. Like it's not "just a hamster" it's a living breathing creature that feels pain and fear like we do. There's a special place in hell for these kinds of people.

[@blakeblack9892]

Cry about it. Something you dislike is someones whole world so shut up and sit down

[@killwind]

Another thing I'd like to point out concerning the box of cotton under the bridge - There is only one box, at least in the shots provided. Even if there are more, the gap between them would still be too substantial of a flaw, placing the hamster's health at risk. What I'm getting at is, the length of the box is no where near the length of the bridge. So, even if the shots provided were not spliced (which I doubt) the hamster would still hit the hard floor if it was closer to any edge of the bridge.

[@Nattakorps]

When I was growing up I was always irked by people who would use excuses like "It's just a cat" or "It's just a dog," animal abuse isn't cool and should never be defended.

[@stofficial9315]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@sweetcaroline9596]

Right?? I almost feel like “just a dog/cat/hamster/etc” is worse, bc if it’s “just” an animal it’s kind of implied that there’s a certain amount of helplessness or lack of intelligence. Like?? You want to pick on something you’re acknowledging is not on the same level as you??? You acknowledge the power imbalance??? Bad stuff

[@youngtate3891]

Man, I can't even look at strays on the street without feeling bad & wanting to take them home. I have four dogs & I feed the neighborhood cats. I don't understand why people act like animals have no feelings.

[@mikaroni_and_cheez]

@@sweetcaroline9596 Yes, exactly!!! Besides, the people that say that can always use the tried and true method of "what if someone kept saying this about you" You'd disagree! "I'm not *just* a human, I'm more than that" is what they'd say And that's what your pets would say if they could voice it. Animal abuse is abuse, period.

[@LoXHumaN]

Huge red flag if they say that

[@keitherickson5152]

Shows how much people learned from squid game, literally the whole point of the show went over everyone heads, all that was retained was "huh huh cool deaths bro"

[@TooMuchSascha]

For real. The whole point was "capitalism pits people against eachother in the most barbaric ways and we need to break the cycle" and all these people got was "Oh man wouldn't it be cool if we recreated that barbarism"

[@SourCoffeeExpert]

The mini games were cool I guess.

[@1WEareBUFO1]

I mean people still watch Saw movies. They're not watching them to root for moral superiority

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@1WEareBUFO1 Saw after the first movie doesn't have any intend to make rules about being more superior in morality or giving *deep messages* to the audience really

[@arenomusic]

@@TooMuchSascha Not just recreating it, literally RECONSTRUCTING it for the SAME MOTIVE; money. Unreal irony.

[@ashleymendieta83]

Vet tech here. This is very dangerous for the hamster. They are probably stressing so much over these situations to be forced in. Little obstacle courses are good but adding drops and scare tactics are not necessary. Rodent or not. Its animal cruelty

[@gabrielhoward2250]

Exactly it’s supposed to be fun for them not terrifying it’s so sad knowing there are people that act like this :(

[@bluechezzwithsocks9117]

@@Parquimetro95 damn bro you got the whole squad laughing 😐

[@hoshizoraaki6551]

@@Parquimetro95 ohh so you're a comedian? make everyone in this comment section laugh

[@MonstehDinosawr]

@@Parquimetro95 everyone disliked that

[@yeeyt464]

@@MonstehDinosawr what did they say? they deleted the thing

[@puurplegiraffe]

MONTHS later the account still isn't taken down. Wtf KZbin?

[@finn4135]

yeah, not surprised tbh. there was this one dude (who i think charlie has spoke about before) who used to abuse his cats and show it on youtube and he wasnt taken down for YEARS. he "inspired" a bunch of other people to abuse animals in a really cult type way. i think hes taken down, but i believe he was called "PelutianEntertainment". he was 15 at the time people used that as an excuse to defend him, but when i was 15, i definetly knew it wasnt okay to torture cats. also, killing animals at an early age is a huge warning sign so i think it should be taken way more seriously.

[@kebabile.]

For the hamster falling onto the “pillow,” you can tell it’s fake by the position the hamster is in when it falls. In the second shot, it falls on its stomach at an always angle, which negates the first shot. If you say it’s because they shifted mid air, considering the drop would take a half a second to a second at most, you would see the hamster shifting to guide its fall to some extent.

[@halomerc5423]

Which means if it is the same hamster n same clip, they dropped them from even greater heights

[@rorystfu]

It's also kind of weird that the support leg for the glass bridge isn't in shot. The hamster fell pretty close to it.

[@top10sarjana64]

The falling hamster is dark brown with no stripes, and the hamster on the pillow thing is orange and have 3 stripes on its back, which means they dont have that brown hamster anymore because most likely the brown hamster died. 7:55

[@09Drdray]

@@top10sarjana64 Sadly it looks as thought that hamster would have fell on its back or tail. Either one would have severely injured the hamster and would have had to have been put down.

[@ultraclownbeam2052]

and its a different fucking hamster lol

[@lindsayaddonizio9236]

Even if the hamsters weren’t injured, those poor things looked so scared as they hung on for dear life! The creators of those videos are disgusting

[@thanosnoctem4473]

ikr

[@aidanlutz8106]

Exactly, if it wasn’t that bad, they wouldn’t have held on for that long.

[@Чадджесуммоист]

I couldn't agree more. The creators of those videos are absolutely vile. The poor hamsters looked so scared and distressed. It's heartbreaking.

[@Aventurinesgirl]

that is exactly what i was thinking

[@ashen0001]

The only reason I can think people were defending them in his chat was just attention whoring and having their orgasm when Charlie reads their message. Because he tends to read comments that disagree with him more often that the one agreeing.

[@gojochillmode839]

I'm really happy Charlie is standing his ground here because that shows he actually cares for animals, unlike the soulless people in chat that actually defended the video. Anyone who owns a hamster would know that they are extremely fragile and can get hurt or even die very easily so that video makes me feel horrible for the hamsters

[@highwaythruhell7882]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@gunner811]

Those people are what we call the developing of "murderers" Ok maybe not all... but it's accurate tho

[@rawmaw]

I can testify that you're very much accurate. My sister has had 2 hamsters before. One of the hamsters once tripped over a little flake on our carpet, barely even fell, and it still broke one if its legs. Hamsters are always 20x more fragile than you think. DW we took it to the vet and it survived from it.

[@hughmongus7379]

I don't think it's about the animals through and through. It's just about having a good moral compass

[@kirbe5039]

@@rawmaw honestly depends on the species, winter white can scale corners of walls and take no damage on fall most of the time, but even then you should never let them because there's always the chance of them getting hurt

[@MythicBeanProductions]

Hanging by their legs like that is actually really painful for them

[@Ilivepuppys]

if we hung from one leg that would be painful for us too

[@mzxa9988]

People who said Hamster are resilient never own one. They are fragile AF, they are NOT like rats

[@crimsonfox8496]

Don't even need to own one to know that they're fragile

[@DeterminedGoat]

Rats aren't the sturdiest thing in the world either, these little guys all have tiny skeletons

[@SubjectE57]

I once tried to cool down my hamster with a spray bottle in the summer, instant heart attack. Felt bad for years.

[@BariBro]

Hamsters organs can even rupture from a 2-3 foot drop. Let alone 4-5

[@sdedy379]

Bruh sometimes my hamster die like they just want to. I don't even know why they suddenly limp and die. I never wanna have lots of hamster anymore because of traumatic event of cannibalism.

[@xeric05]

The hamster channel owners have charlie in the basement

[@stofficial9315]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@ricardoromeika950]

Underrated comment

[@jhawkshaw]

They're about to put him in a Squid Game with a bunch of people who tried to call them out.

[@wqeqweqwewq7271]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..''''

[@THE-X-Force]

@@stofficial9315 Reported for spam again .. tick .. tock ..

[@boozehound5706]

I worked at a pet store, and have had many customers with dead hamsters over the year because their cage was to tall, and they would just die after dropping themselves 10-20 times over. Animals might not be smart, but they have just as much right to live as anything. These people are scum for exploiting a fucking hamster, how sad can you be, doing that for the money?

[@ImSoCold....]

People normalize exploitation, especially with children

[@alphonsemaina8293]

@@ImSoCold.... Children, animals, disabled people any being that is vulnerable.

[@Chris-hz8lj]

@@ImSoCold.... The idea of forcing your kid into Hollywood to “become a star” is appalling to me.

[@etcetinx]

Dude people sell themselves for money not many people care about hamsters frankly

[@Wolf-gt7mb]

@@Chris-hz8lj It’s appalling to most people, but unfortunately it’s common everywhere where parents lack the morals, especially in politics Greta Thunburg is a recent example

[@Shuinon]

two completely different shots, two completely different hampsters

[@goeatsanta5600]

just because a hamster can fall and be “fine” doesn’t mean it’s okay that they purposely put them in a situation that they most likely will. your kid can burn themselves on a candle and be fine after, but that doesn’t mean put them in a situation where it’s very likely to happen.

[@stofficial9315]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..''''

[@superscatboy]

For real.

[@kyutebun9208]

idk who's spreading the lie that hamsters are indestructible forces of nature. they are super sensitive and they get stressed out fairly easily. mistreatment against small animals is so common and as soon as someone tries to acknowledge it, everyone takes the "sensitive snowflake!!1" route. Charlie is absolutely valid for being concerned

[@highwaythruhell7882]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDJZnVvZbuIgJI I RECOVERED CHARLIES DELETED VIDEOS..

[@mikelogan8977]

Lol ppl cryin for a hamster

[@DavDoesit]

@@mikelogan8977 more like people are pissed that they're monetizing animal abuse.

[@Considerable_Ounce]

I agree with everything you said but your wording makes you sound like a lil biss. If you could just find a way to make yourself sound less flimsy im sure alot more people would get on board with ya.

[@TheAwesomeRacoon]

@@Considerable_Ounce people usually dont really care if they get approval from edgy 5th graders

[@Yippe_kai_jay]

i can’t believe in today’s day in age a man being concerned for a small animals well being can be considered as a “snowflake sjw” rather than a person making sure they’re not being abused

[@cassiuscarter2832]

Will you please time stamp the Snowflake SJW part? I missed it

[@Yippe_kai_jay]

@@cassiuscarter2832 2:50

[@GruppeSechs]

@@Yippe_kai_jay You know "snowflake" and "SJW" don't automatically go hand in hand right

[@tastesgood223]

@@GruppeSechs they do to people who unironically use those terms

[@gabephillips2867]

What does sjw mean? Ive never heard it before

[@mochigotbored]

"I'm in this basement because I wanna be, I'm safe, so don't worry about it." Awfully suspicious.

[@Weed69420]

weed

[@Don-ds3dy]

Another reason removing the dislikes was a bad idea, a bad like/dislike ratio would let unaware people on really quick that there's something wrong with said channel.

[@Shark0115]

I always used the dislike counter when I was looking at do it yourself videos to see what was legit before I wasted my time on it

[@littlemissfinch]

Exactly, channels like these could continue to thrive without the dislike button bringing them down. I see no reason for it to be removed, because in situations like these, it is crucial to have it.

[@sleepyninjarin7971]

the fact that the videos he was watching had a good like-dislike ratio is pretty disturbing, but i agree and hate what youtube did

[@georgeculver1043]

There is a plugin called "return youtube dislikes", evidently the youtube removal of dislikes was done very sloppy such that the data is still coded in the page just not displayed unless you are the owner of the video, the chrome plug in just edits the pages code to make the counter visible.

[@thechugg4372]

The original channel already had likes and dislikes disabled on the behind the scenes, yup you could always do this.

[@mrdankie3953]

As someone who owned hamsters as a kid that was horrifying. Hamsters are extremely fragile.

[@breadophile]

that's exactly what i was thinking from the start. i've always heard countless stories of almost silly ways hamsters tend to die, from pooping to death to dying from getting scared by a sneeze. hamsters are prolly the absolute *worse* animal you could use for such a video.

[@chrismov4737]

hamster hell literally

[@PurpleUnicornBarf]

EXTREMELY my friends died from a phone flash. she just wanted a picture 😰

[@mrdankie3953]

@Mayo Monkey None, I was taught at a extremely young age how fragile small animals are and wasn't even allowed too handle then until I understood it. Kinda makes me wonder how many small animals you've needlessly killed.

[@donagataysupandilla6691]

My brothers hamster died just from fear from looking at a cat

[@Amethite]

How is this even drama? don't abuse animals. it isn't ok, end of story.

[@lonniex866]

Reading the chat made me realize how genuinely braindead some people are. I saw someone excusing it because they can "survive a fall at terminal velocity"...

[@zoroverse8358]

Well can i contribute to animal abuse?

[@lonniex866]

@@zoroverse8358 Are you saying you would willingly add to the problem given the resources or

[@THE-X-Force]

@The TacoCat Reported again. Keep spamming, we'll keep reporting.

[@tweenytwinkies]

@@zoroverse8358 ur not funny dude, go talk to your mom or something and figure out whats been causing this feeling of need to see things in pain

[@isaacm.1395]

Hamsters are legit one of the most fragile pets you can get. There are SO many stories of people who are like "yeah I took a picture of my hamster with the flash on and it had a seizure and died.

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

It's not whether they can survive, it's the treatment of the animal... that is the point of Charlie's argument. Just because you'll survive having a paintball shot on your bare skin with a bruise and slight skin damage, doesn't mean it's ok to shoot a person with a paintball. Even if the hamster would be ok (which by what he said they could die from the shock), it's still being treated poorly and directly put in potential harms way. How do people not get the message?

[@dana6317]

well said

[@renzmanzano4010]

Oh no poor hamster *continues eating slaughtered animal meat*

[@justaboyontheinternet2636]

@@renzmanzano4010 because theres a difference between animals abuse, and humane meat production and consumption (not saying all animals are killed correctly, definitely most of them aren't) and how do you know this person ain't a vegan?

[@bigbay1159]

@@renzmanzano4010 Talk about graphing at straws for a poor comparison

[@TheDeanofLean]

@@renzmanzano4010 There is a difference between slaughtering an animal for food and potentially harming one purely for entertainment.

[@valz_dayz_in_hell]

They shouldn't have used cotton either, it's a terrible nesting material that can get stuck through their digestive tract. It's often fatal if cotton does gets stuck.

[@coows]

Theyre obviously highly stressed and probably got bruised. Anyone with half a brain knows that what they are doing this not healthy for the hamster.

[@steamoreeno]

@The TacoCat I also saw your long lost father

[@josh.8104]

Worse: That is absolutely acrylic fiber fill (synthetic pillow filling).

[@valz_dayz_in_hell]

@@josh.8104 •́ ‿ ,•̀ they shouldn't own hamsters

[@person-bi8ux]

@@steamoreeno dude

[@m.t.443]

I love when people are like- "The animal is probably fine!" like that suddenly makes it okay that they're being abused. That's like looking at a kid who was sucker punched by some bully at school and saying- "Eh...they're probably okay." (which ppl do bc...ppl suck) It doesn't matter if the animal is okay Because the animal should have never been in danger in the first place. Also hamsters are...surprisingly sensitive. Yeah they can take some falls, but they're small. They can break bones easily, they can bruise, they can concuss, it would have cost them nothing to just put a few pillows down there in case they fell.

[@youtubecat3809]

“which ppl do bc… ppl suck.” summary of a lot of history books

[@557deadpool]

@@hungrycrab3297 NOW you're overreacting

[@gabriellaedwards2900]

@@557deadpool They're literally not don't even start

[@thatrandommaninthestreet9160]

@@557deadpool it really isn’t an exaggeration Charlie is right with hamsters dying if someone farts badly even if it is a joke, hamsters are highly sensitive

[@557deadpool]

@Existential Crisis Core on Infinite Earths if there wasn't already a billion of them then id care more

[@emilyfaulkner9708]

Those hamsters struggling is hard to watch. I had 4 hamsters who died from either old age issues or breeder issues and it’s always sad to see anything similar to a struggle to these babies😔

[@paradox4859]

"hamsters could survive a nuclear blast" is a funny comment to make considering that whenever i hear the word hamster, i think back to a story i heard in which a hamster died because someone took a picture of it with their flash on i have never watched drake and josh this is a relatives story

[@ELLI0TR0DGER]

Mine had a heart attack because my dog came too close to it

[@JBLONKO]

@@ELLI0TR0DGER 😭bro LMAFO

[@TheKeitaNobodyAskedFor]

drake & josh moment

[@Sonicdude3]

@@JBLONKO not very funny

[@ChineseMustangs]

@@Sonicdude3 kinda funny

[@Jasmine__135]

this is how fucking cool Charlie is. the most drama he can get into is a hamster abuse conspiracy egged on by twitch chat

[@silly_on_]

So true

[@rjun143]

while charlie is cool that shouldn't be the message you're taking away bruh

[@johnw594]

@@rjun143 It’s just an opinion man, nothing he said implies that he didn’t get the purpose of the video

[@ohmygodbecky6829]

@@johnw594 i think arjun’s issue with the comment is it kind of downplays animal abuse. Like, “this is great your drama only surrounds hamsters getting abused”

[@elianazuniga6541]

Y'all ride him so hard. Like I'm a fan... But damn.... 🤣

[@bubblesduclos]

As someone who has hamsters, this is horrible. Even if they did have padding that’s still very stressful for a hamster to fall and hold on for its life for all it knows since they have horrible eyesight. Not to mention the pillow they “landed on” is made of cotton which is also dangerous for hamsters. Also he didn’t show this but at the end of hamster squid game they make hamster fight each other and put hamsters together when they are solitary animals who will fight to the death. I just don’t get how people can have such little respect and care for animals :(

[@easypete3630]

comrade grognak

[@skeeblesss]

good to hear that grognak is against this type of torture

[@eggeggeggegg6019]

and when a hamster gets stressed it dies so it could have died either way

[@calumhouston3308]

As a person with empathy, these hamster videos make me sick. Who have to be a sick individual to enjoy watching the suffering of others, ESPECIALLY something as small and fragile as a hamster.

[@Чадджесуммоист]

I feel you on that . I don't like dem kinda games neither, cuz dey too stressin' for de animals involved. Tanks for speakin' up 'bout it.

[@RedChems]

As you pointed out the hamster in the padding is different (it has a dark stripe down its back that the "falling hamster" doesn't have) and I can confirm they can die from shock/surprise; I had a hamster that died because a book shelf fell over in the same room as the hamster (not ON the hamster, like the shelf falling was just really loud and the hamster died from a heart attack) so you made a lot of good points here and that's really cool that you point out these kind of things where most people would just shrug it off and say "they're probably fine".