Finally Fixing My Oxford Dean Goods After 5 Years | Model Train Repairs

[@derailed-productions]

Love how Sam has become the guy that doesn’t just criticize model railway companies for putting sketchy, cheap, weak motors in there locos but also comes up with genius solutions that realistically don’t cost a lot. Really says a lot about the industry.

[@SDD3204]

It does indeed. If I was Oxford, Hornby or even Pete's Spares I would invest in Sam's kits.

[@FerroequinologistofColorado]

Sam, you are a mechanical genius. I’m always impressed when you design motor mounts for your locos so they can use a completely different motor on board.

[@pettra1]

Great to see that locomotive finally working properly Sam. Strange and disappointing that the original 5 pole motor wasn't up to much. Also, as you say, it was a pity to lose the twin flywheels. Oxford Rail on the whole do release some really good locos. Best, Pete.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Pete - yeah not sure why the old ones were so shoddy... look very similar to the Dapol ones actually! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@BuggyGamer_]

@@SamsTrains hiii love your videos,

[@bryantan863]

Outstanding job Sam. Another model locomotive with the same coreless motor from Bachmann is now working properly like a dream. I hope you will fit a coreless motor in the Oxford Rail Adams Radial tank engine someday.

[@toniandbazduffy9703]

Well done Sam. It's great to get a loco like that up and running again. My b12 had two motors that short circuited. I would love to have it running again. It's a pity you don't do repairs as I would have got you to fit a motor like the one you fitted in your b12 as I was very impressed by that video. Thanks for the video. Take care Basil.

[@carlcollins8967]

To create a good adaptor for the flywheels, you can buy 2mm brass tube with a 0.45mm wall thickness. That would give you a good interference fit into the flywheel and a 0.1mm tolerance to get it onto the motor shaft, which you could then glue. You get a 300mm length for about £3.50, which should do a few locos!

[@SDD3204]

Simply Superb Sam - Fantastic job. I hope you will market these aftermarket upgrades one day.

[@davidknowles2491]

I wonder what would happen if you put a coreless motor in a Hornby pocket rocket?

[@TheGazzz99]

Thanks a lot for this Sam - I've just used your 3D printed mount and guide and now my Deans Goods actually hauls some wagons!

[@paulsngaugechannel]

Well done Sam. With your 3D printers you have a good tool kit and ability to fit good quality repair items. We can hear how much enjoyment with each success. 😎

[@marklittlejohn1457]

Good to see the Dean goods saved form the scrap man thankyou for the video

[@TheWoodlandhoBo]

Your a clever and patient lad Sam. Well done

[@delphjunction1168]

Hi Sam. Lovely looking loco. Glad you could get running as it should. Also great for putting a crew in it great visibility for them. Well done mucker.

[@Trains4Ages]

Hi Sam, genius again as we have all become accustomed to, very smooth runner now, can i ask do you have a link or some specs on the coreless motor you used please.? cheers Kevin

[@alanhaynes4576]

Very good but did I notice some wheel slip as it crested Gordon's hill? Perhaps a little more weight might help its pulling power and reduce slippage. You are 100% correct about the flywheels but adding weight might offset that a little. Thanks Sam for another great video. Makes me wonder how many more locos do you have that could use a motor upgrade?

[@Dave_at_Its_My_Model_Railway]

A bit of brass tube with a 2mm OD & 1mm ID should do the trick to reuse one of those flywheels, you can check the balance with a couple of razor blades inverted as pivot points, if the balance is OK job done, but if any rebalancing is required then that could be a bit tricky :)

[@regisbraga3833]

Very good work Sam. Congrats!

[@bulwellforestgardenrailway5301]

Really good solution to a (I agree) frustrating loco. The motor on mine has been fine except for a constant buzzing whilst running. The biggest issue for me though is it's complete inability to pull anything more than three wagons without a stupid amount of wheel spin. I noticed the wheel spin on yours when pulling your gwr coach rake at the end. I actually think the wheels themselves are the problem, perhaps they're just so smooth there's no grip on the track. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the wheel spin issue as I'm not sure it's down to weight.

[@gamingwithlukeJToH]

Great repair, Sam! It runs so much better now! Quick review suggestion, as someone who lives in the US, I like American model train reviews. I've noticed that all of your American locomotive reviews have been more classic style locomotives. Can you review an American diesel that was built after the year 2000?

[@philbartlett7898]

Great job Sam You are an inspiration and boost confidence in us viewers Thank youi

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Yes done the job well, All the best Brian 😃

[@TrainBoi227]

The Dean Goods is a beautiful loco, it's great to see you fixing your model.

[@SamsTrains]

It sure is beautiful, glad it's better now! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TrainBoi227]

@@SamsTrains Of course! Your content is always fun to watch

[@trainzville9237]

Hey Sam, I'm glad you have got your Oxford Rail Dean Goods back into proper working order by replacing the original motor with a cheap, but very reliable motor. Talking about the Oxford Rail Dean Goods, I have one too, it had been running superbly well, until it started having problems. Are you still servicing and fixing everyone's model locomotives? Because I'm considering on sending my Dean Goods to you to see if you can fix it. Thank you for your time. Regards Trainzville a.k.a Jordan Shingler

[@tinarash7772]

Good luck on it working!

[@phil36310]

Hi Sam, These small coreless motors do wonders. Less internal friction resulting in much better speed range. Genius to design, build and fit the adapter with excellent results. Your engineering skills are premium. Thanks for sharing and happy model railroading ! Cheers, Filip

[@michaelwhiles5282]

Another excellent and informative video - not the product placement of some ‘reviewers’ Thanks Sam !

[@dcb_trains]

Such a lovely loco

[@andrewpalm2103]

Heh, I was just considering writing a comment about re-using the flywheels, but you anticipated this, Sam! In any case, the loco runs quite well now, eh? Of course it's true that a poorly balanced flywheel can cause problems. But given all the US locos I've seen mass produced with flywheels and which have excellent running out of the box (e.g., old Athearn and current low-end Atlas) I doubt that perfection is required (at least for dual drive diesels). So I think it's a path you should try going down some day. Cheers from Wisconsin!

[@Jimyjames73]

Very Good Sam - Well Done 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@ModelRailwaysUnlimited]

Hi Sam, more brilliant work, I'm a little concerned about the rear of the loco, the rear splasher looks to be bent down towards the cab, wonder if there is something foul of the rear fixing? Can you fit some weight inside to make up for the loss of flywheel weight?

[@scpvrr]

Nicely done. Good point regarding the flywheels.

[@alanchapman6514]

Nice job Sam! Have you managed to find a replacement motor for the Oxford Adams Radial? Mine went belly up and I tried your suggestion to clean out the lubricant, it ran for about 20 minutes and packed in again. It's now an expensive paperweight.

[@EsotericArctos]

In your discussions with Oxford and their admission about the bad motor, did they give you at least a partial refund or credit with this model? How do you find the blu-tak holds up after many hours running and the motor starts getting a bit warm? I find blu-tak can get very soft when it gets warm. Would a dab of Hot Melt Glue maybe work better? I noticed the old motor had brass adaptors? Did they act as a flywheel as well?

[@delaray7]

Bravo Sam. I had one of these and it was sluggish as your old one. Shop blamed tyres so I had them replaced to no avail. They agreed and happily refunded me to get something else. Well done.

[@davidmiller6728]

you're a genius Sam. Where did you learn these skills? self taught?

[@iceeblueburst03]

Nice that you’re able to fix it! She runs beautifully!

[@TOAD69500]

With the old motor it looked like you where trying to make it crawl, but now it's flying along. Another great job Sam, it's always nice to see a broken loco run again.

[@StormmyStormmy]

Great video Sam, the coreless motor route looks amazing, maybe somebody should make up kits for troublesome locos from main brands.

[@athopi]

The cab seems to not be flush with the floor plate, like it is leaning back now... You really should try to gain back its weight loss or you'll still be unhappy with its lack of pulling power eventually. Love that livery. I remember it was already out of stock by the time you showed it way back when, or at least by the time I saw the episode. Shame companies don't keep good looking models on hand for longer. Always seems like they want the fast cash instead of gaining long term cash flow...

[@marcpurkiss3233]

Ive got the br black one and im sure it came sith s motor like your replacement and only 1 flywheel (drive shaft side) so it looks like oxford must have done the same fix

[@maltnz]

Thanks for the interesting video. Thinks - would black tack perhaps be a better option in the base of the holder?

[@chrissouthgate4554]

Excellent work Sam. Nice looking loco running as it should, nearly as good as Copper Nob!

[@mcollier4566]

Is the rear right hand splasher flush to the running plate?

[@kevinhale9400]

Hi Sam. Has Oxford fixed the problem with the motor on your original Dean Goods or does everyone have to do the fix that you have done?

[@terrycharleslewis7565]

Hey Sam very well thought out and engineered there mate. If I was to download the mount info could I get it 3d printed commercially as I don't own a 3d printer? Congratulations on a great fix, regards Terry.

[@SamsTrains]

Hi Terry - yes of course, feel free to do whatever you like with this design!

[@terrycharleslewis7565]

Hi again Sam , sorry to trouble you again, just wondering what size motor you used for the mount- is it 20 x 8 mm, regards Terry.

[@a2020vision_official]

A dab of RTV silicone or other sealant kind of material might have a similar effect to the blue tack and seem more professional, but it's going to be worse in every other way - more smelly, more messy, possibly more expensive. I'll have to remember that one.

[@railwaychannel66745]

hello Sam, my model railway is not working properly and if i put my trains on the track and turn the dial on my controller the controller short circuits

[@danbalsom8733]

Hi Sam. Great video, I have a DG I wish to modify/improve in this manner. Are you able to share with us the spec of the coreless motor? I don't want to buy the wrong size one that won't fit your brilliant mount. Many thanks.

[@Skaranweb]

The rear splasher seems to be sitting at an angle to the footplate though.

[@adamkornacki606]

Oxford rail fixed it and Adams radial ? (sorry for poor english)

[@Playbutton27alt]

Model railway engineering and dedication at its finest

[@conductorzen671]

Nice video. Wouldn't it be funny if you reviewed the Dickensville Express. New Bright NO. 171L

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Awesome video today Sam really awesome to see the dean goods running again

[@Soer1a]

Hi Sam, nice video as always. By the way, I am wondering where do you buy the blue sponge cushion to put your loco upside down when you removing the screw and the body?

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Another great repair/modification/adaptation. The 3D printer looks like a really useful bit of kit for many aspects of modelling.

[@silverline5636]

Well at least people know where to go to "Sam's engineer Inc.", add: "do you have a scrap engine that you want to be save? do you have faulty motors or bad efficiency? Then have no fear because Sam is here with his new engineering scientific technology to restore your pride engine and good working order."

[@intercity300]

Can you do a Santa express 0-4-0 maintenance video please because I have one

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

Motors huh why manufacturers mortors are so easy to do, and yet here we are Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah you're right! :D

[@leonardsmith2568]

Hi Sam, are these coreless motors compatible with a Feedback Controller e.g. GMC-HH. If not, then can you recommend a motor that will fit in the dean goods that is compatible.

[@ufg2036]

Can you try putting a coreless motor in your Bachmann Emily

[@Stinky1a]

Just an observation but it appears after you refit the new motor, the cab splashers seemed to warp

[@odinnln5694]

What about fitting a "stay live kit" instead of a flywheel?

[@rogerking7258]

Nice job, but it does make you wonder what the OE manufacturers are paying for motors if such a cheapo replacement makes for that big an improvement. It'd definitely be a good idea to refit at least one flywheel, but realistically, an adaptor would have to be turned rather than printed in order to ensure concentricity; an out of balance flywheel would cause more problems that it would solve.

[@mandowarrior123]

You're parroting, and that isn't precisely right, a flywheel would ideally be weighted or trimmed to actually correctly operate. Turning is close but not perfect.

[@michaelschultz5127]

Doctor Sam, you are wanted at the surgery ward.

[@DaiElsan]

A brilliant simple solution.

[@JustinFrazier_360]

That's so cool sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Justin! :d

[@Dustinthemaroon9Flocomotive]

I got a question I ordered a hornby dean goods from ebay does the motor in the locomotive stop working unless I don't use it to much or don't do crash scene with it

[@paulcarroll7767]

This was a good video Sam :) keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Paul!! :D

[@paulcarroll7767]

@@SamsTrains your welcome! :)

[@robincumming3384]

Hi Sam Brilliant solution and video. I have had exactly the same problems with my 2309 Dean Goods as you. I have now received two replacement chasses and motors from Oxford (including one with an updated motor like the one that you installed), but it is still not working properly. For some reason the combination of their new motor and their new coupling adaptor that they sent me does not work as intended. Your solution is great. I live in Australia and do not have a 3D printer. Is there any way that you could sell the mounting and the coupling adaptor made by your 3D printer? I am very envious of your solution and would love to adopt it. How can I contact you about this? The 2309 is a wonderfully handsome loco which currently is unusable (my K's kit of a Dean Goods made when 60 years ago when I was teenager, now with sound and DCC, works better!). Funnily enough, my other Oxford Dean Goods, 2475, has the same motor as the 2309 and although its pulling power is poor it is still functioning just about passably. Robin from Sydney

[@luisoscargutierrez6839]

Good video Sam! It inspired me to change motors in older locomotives. Thank you very much. Also very good the Old Coppernab series, it also inspired me a lot.

[@AlongPreservedLines]

Really good to see this dean goods restored after so long, it runs so much better now, good stuff! - TIDS

[@theoccupier1652]

What is wrong with the rear splash guard ... it's way out of line with the middle & front one's

[@busterdragon1]

That's awesome Sam. And thank you for the work in designing & testing of these parts. And another awesome thank you for making these files for to download. Keep up the good work Sam your doing great :)

[@BuggyGamer_]

hiii sams trains!

[@seeleymainline8293]

SAM I just found a man’s KZbin channel called OO Neal! You need to see the models he makes they’re awesome

[@ShasTec]

Sam you might have noticed by now but the cab is drunk and on a wonk. Decent gap between the cab and and the boiler. Great work though. Nothing like improving something with your own ingenuity.

[@yourfellowpancake6335]

What a beautiful locomotive, the livery is really nice as well

[@gamerjosh5686]

I got one of them too but in an rod livery to match with my boch buster. My engine in fact doesn't go slow at all and has no grip. Also the screw that holds the drawbar keeps falling out

[@The-tired-goose]

Great video Sam keep going

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you!! :D

[@The-tired-goose]

@@SamsTrains thx Sam

[@Sumalee21]

Sam, I spot that the driver cab is leaning backward

[@johnlunnun9769]

Pity about the rear splasher! Is it just the splasher or the whole cab, I can’t quite see? But it’s definitely not level with the others, and looks horrible!

[@lindaoffenbach]

Wonderful and clean solution again Sam. Pity about the flywheels but she does run just brilliantly, so not to worry about them at all indeed. Aren’t these micro motors genuinely fantastic for the price. The question could actually be raised why manufacturers, don’t apply these type of motors. I suppose the answer is because they are not commercially viable when it comes to part sales, lol. We can’t see any other reason frankly. However, in the end, people will find their own affordable solution anyway and if really need be, a cradle could even be made from scratch without needing a 3D printer perhaps. However a 3D printed component is a cleaner method of course.

[@DOTD7382]

Salvage or Scrap unlimited time edition

[@SamsTrains]

haha exactly!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ParkstadJr]

just wondering is it possible to put one of those motors into a triang flying scotsman chassis because mine died a few days ago and im looking into replacing it but with 3d printing do you think its possible? have a good one: ian

[@SamsTrains]

Yea I’m going to look into doing that some time soon!

[@RobA500]

Nicely fixed Sam. How about pulling the old motor apart to see what's going on, I wonder if it's similar to the B12 motor problem.

[@MrMurphyprecht]

Do you know what you've started Sam? It's only the beginning, Mazak rot will be a thing of the past as people start creating their own chassis with uprated motors. Nice job sir

[@MiddletownBranchProd.]

Hi Sam, may I request a review of a Broadway Limited model?

[@bluepretsels]

Lovely video

[@kleedhamhobby]

I wouldn't dispute at all that you had real performance problems with this loco, and by fitting the new motor you have fixed those problems. However, I think it's worth pointing out that those who made comments about appropriate scale speed weren't entirely mistaken. From my own experiments and attempts to calculate, it seems to me that we mostly run our model locos too fast. I've done quite a bit of speed checking on my own tracks, timing locos over measured sections, and then doing the math to calculate the scale speed, and I've found that in some cases models would have to always be run at 40% power or lower in order to keep them at scale speeds appropriate to the prototype. For what it's worth, as best as I could tell from looking at your track (of course I can't really measure a section) it seemed to me that your Dean Goods with the new motor was running something like a little under 50 mph scale speed at what you said was 50% power. That's not outrageous. But the maximum speed of the real Dean Goods was about 45 mph, so I think you'd have to always run your fixed model a bit lower than 50% power to keep it within proper scale speeds.

[@brickleyyard4966]

I think model manufacturers have a reasonablety if thay know something to be not right and to go as far to come up with a fix for future releases then u have a responsibility to offer a free replacement part to fix I had a dapol n gauge 9f and there was a fault in the design of the front poney truck and dapol was aware and thay releases a updated part and anyone who has one is still geting replacement part for free regardless of when it was brought To be clear that's the old n gauge 9f not the new one

[@SamsTrains]

You're right Brandley, I'm glad Oxford did the right thing and changed the motors in the end! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

Brilliant ! I'm considering doing this for my Hornby S15, which have the same kind of problem.

[@phil36310]

Hi Oliver, Some time ago I had a similar motor problem with a S15. But Hornby kindly send me a replacement motor for free for they are aware that a batch in the production line was faulty. But indeed it would be a nice upgrade if you succeed to put a coreless in the S15. And if possible share the results with the model railroaders community. Success !

[@Starflight_Miniatures]

Awesome, great work as always!

[@alanlocke2070]

Makes me wish all manufacturer used corless motors. I used to be nervous about them because they all seem to run too fast and some controlles dont like then. But you seem to have cracked it well done.

[@mandowarrior123]

They can run faster but its because they have less friction and are lighter. If they work well with the power low well that isn't an issue is it?

[@classiccuber1109]

cool i gut got a train set coz i saw your vid

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome!! Hope you enjoy it!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@kevinsoanes4433]

Hi Sam. Any change of a link to the coreless motors on ebay?

[@joshuaW5621]

Nice to see it working again after 5 years.

[@star86703]

Congratulations Sam on fixing Dean goods🤩🤩☺☺

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Sam! :D

[@historyotaku]

Very nice to see this engine finally back up and working after such a long time. Out of curiosity though, have you looked into a similar treat for some of your other locos like the Dapol D Class or Hornby Large Prarie?

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Tony - it sure is nice to see it running well again! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jeffreysmith156]

My one runs so badly it is unbelievably dire. I am really pleased that you have found a way of doing the rest of the model justice. Oh to be a fly on the wall to hear any conversations between the likes of Oxford, Dapol and Hornby and their motor suppliers when a dodgy batch occurs. By the way, to do yours truly justice, are you able to straighten the cab? Also, if you had stuck the adaptor on the other end of the motor, would it have been possible to use the existing wires instead of having to extend them? I appreciate that I am looking at it with hindsight!

[@jeffreysmith156]

Actually, I have just gone and given mine identical one a quick test. It seems to be going a bit better than previously: perhaps that is my imagination. Perhaps I was too harsh before but it is no speed freak. It does run slightly better tender first as well. Please keep up the good work!

[@jeffreysmith156]

I see that someone from Swansea is currently trying to sell several on a well-known website. There are all decribed as poor or non-runners........

[@jeffreysmith156]

One thing I do not like about my original motor, apart from its slow running, is that if you apply more than about 60% power, you tend to get occasional electrical "cracking" (i.e. sparking inside). I seem to recall that the model has sometimes shut off and only started running again after a short while. The joys of model railways!

[@dansmodelrailways7886]

Sam, or indeed anyone, do you know if a coreless motor effects the DCC capability at all?