FINALLY! Lightroom's Biggest Flaw is Fixed..

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

✅ QUICK QUESTION: Do you agree this has been Lightroom’s biggest flaw?

[@birdswithbeau]

For sure, I feel like the LrC remove tools have always been almost a joke compared to Photoshop.

[@noscamiam]

@MarkDenneyPhoto I don't use photoshop and to make the need to use photoshop less than ever, I agree the lack of this tool was (not anymore) the biggest flaw. Now I just wish I could do HDR photo merge on my mobile device.

[@noscamiam]

@MarkDenneyPhoto Thank you for your videos BTW, always helpful. The other big improvement with the last update is being able to make multiple selections and then apply the remove - great time saver for small fixes.

[@douglasdollars]

This is a flaw, but if LR allowed me to delete items in a smart collection from disk I'd pay an extra $10/year in a heartbeat.

[@echoauxgen]

dust removal always hard! But have you ever seen a big blob faintly, that is dust or something on the back of your lens. Just to remind clean your lens rear glass before attaching. The front is not so much a problem except fogging up and that will take some time for your lens to adjust to.

[@jamest3251]

lol, "and now we have a mountain on top of a tree" That pretty much summarizes my experience trying to remove objects from photos in Lightroom.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

🤣🤣

[@mediamannaman]

Happy to see it! I do give Lightroom a chance to remove objects, but still often have to edit in Photoshop to get it done better. It's like Adobe has a Photoshop kingdom and a Lightroom kingdom, and they refuse to share their code with each other. It's a shame, because their overall product offering would be better if they would just work together.

[@Imperialhsu]

One of my favorite Easter eggs about your videos is how you sneak some retro tech on to your desk in each.... I love playing "I spy" to see what you've placed each release!

[@marioherodotus996]

I was going to ask "what's up with that xxxxx" until I read your comment! I didn't realize Mark was doing this!

[@wmkocken]

Love the flip phone, VHS tape and Gameboy. Good video, too!

[@carbonsmartskies]

I just wish you would fix your clock.

[@careylymanjones]

Adobe's biggest flaw is the subscription pricing model. Just sayin'.

[@ReidThaler]

People still whining about paying 33 cents/day for Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, web gallery creation, and syncing photos between your devices? It's 2024, what else can you buy for 33 cents? If you don't like the model, use something else.

[@careylymanjones]

@@ReidThaler Pricing model wasn't the last straw. The last straw was Adobe's insistence that it had the right to my photos. And I DO use what is, frankly, a better product. DxO PhotoLab 8's noise reduction is at least 100 times better than Lightroom's. It's sharpening tools are better, too. DxO's lens correction modules know how much sharper a lens is in the center than in the corners, and sharpens accordingly. I basically just tweak the defaults a little. No messing with masking the edges with Unsharp Mask. PhotoLab HAS Unsharp Mask, but I hardly ever use it. And if PhotoLab doesn't have Adobe's AI selection tools, it's selection tools give you more control over the selection. With Adobe's Select Sky, the AI selects the sky IT'S way. With a Control Line, I can mask off just the clouds, or everything BUT the clouds, and I can control how hard the edge of the selection is. It IS a little more effort, but the end result is usually better.

[@Weyco23]

$10.61 a month for me, price has been the same for years. That argument ship sailed a long time ago.

[@careylymanjones]

@@ReidThaler I DO use something else. Something that frankly, is better. DxO PhotoLab's noise reduction is MUCH better than Lightroom's, It's sharpening tools are better, too. PhotoLab's lens correction modules know when your lens is sharper in the center than in the corners, and how much, and sharpen accordingly. I never use Unsharp Mask. PhotoLab has it, but I never NEED it. DxO's color science is better, too. They have color correction modules for most current cameras to correct for any color science issues with the camera body. And DxO's selection tools, while not as simple as Adobe's AI, give you more control over your selection. Select Sky in Lightroom, and it selects the sky the AI's way. Drop a Control Line, in PhotoLab, and you can mask the clouds more heavily than the rest of the sky, or vice versa. It's a little more work, for a LOT better result.

[@nealeblackburn6019]

@@Weyco23 By and large I like it better than paying $1500 for the adobe suite every couple of years and its now flexible enough so I don't end up having to buy the bits I don't need and never use

[@LenShigemoto]

Thanks!

[@clausgiloi6036]

I see a bit of a flaw in this... in that there is no need for LR to change the trees to remove the cloud! Ideally wouldn't the program keep the image as authentic as possible consistent with the intent of removing the cloud?

[@Trespas]

This is what I noticed and immediately thought "wow, that feature is not impressive at all". Especially if it supposedly detects objects, then it should leave said objects as they were.

[@Hrochnick]

He had a really big area covering much of the tree so lightroom didn't really detect the cloud, it just removed everything within the area and generated new stuff to continue and not cut off the edges. If you make the mask really tight it will just take the cloud away and not mess with the tree at all.

[@herby19661]

That looks like a beautiful area. I've lived in Colorado for 20 years and have had precious little time to truly explore the state. I think you just gave me my next excursion. And, thank you for the wonderful videos you make. And I agree with you I am loving the new remove updates.

[@RodneyO1919]

One of my all time favorite phones on your desk! Immediately took me back. The Gameboy, VHS tape and of course the Rubix Cube is a solid nod to that time period. Oh yeah, almost forgot, great info on all of your videos. You are one of my go to's for information to get me out of an editing pinch or to learn more techniques

[@johnkrogman4708]

Thanks! I tend to hang on to my old processing habits and often miss out on new features--as I did with this one. It's easier to subscribe to channels like yours and get these updates with real world examples than reading the 'What's new' info Adobe puts out.

[@WisePhotographyForYou]

Good stuff! Looking forward to trying these out in the morning! Thank you for the explanation.

[@DennisMoncla]

Mark this tool has saved me countless hours flipping to PS to fix things! It has a major flaw if you have cropped your image before removing distractions from the edge. It will keep rebuilding the object as the object still exist outside the the non destructive crop in Lightroom. This took me hours to understand as sometimes it was flawless and sometimes horrendous. You want to remove edge distractions before cropping! Else wise you have to un crop it and re crop it. If you send to PS to remove PS can’t see outside the crop and will remove it perfectly as well.

[@billbenson9904]

What happened to the power line removal tool? I saw it in a video but not in recent update.

[@leemathieson1872]

Nice video Mark. It's definitely improved. I used it to remove two small posts and a blurred figure behind a fence in the background of a long exposure shot a few days ago and was impressed by how well it did it.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thank you!

[@ArtHeld]

great demo. Thanks for pushing the limits - it makes a much more realistic demo.

[@chrisbartlett8146]

Fairly impressive. I had never used LR remove tool because I considered it useless and usually sent the photo to PS to remove distractions.

[@ko300zx]

You mention breaking large areas up into smaller chunks and having more success removing that way. I find that every time I try this, it replaces a smaller section with something similar to the remaining areas of the object rather than removing it. It certainly evaluates the selected area as well as the surrounding areas when generating the replacement, so it makes sense it is going to evaluate other parts of the object and include them in the "removed" area if you are only selecting part of an "object."

[@durango1487]

Great video - Question. At the 7:20 mark, are the generated trees blurry or am I just not seeing it correctly?

[@mickue]

The biggest flaw is still, that the generative fill is ignoring the current images boarders. So if you want to remove something on the edge and the image is already croped, it generates something that matches to the invisible part.

[@noscamiam]

Is there some reason to crop before using generative remove?

[@mickue]

@noscamiam not specifically. It's just my workflow I am used to.

[@ryandonovan1454]

@@noscamiam It's possible to notice more details once cropped. Sometimes prompting the removal of artifacts. It happens to me several times per week.

[@chicobretes]

They' ve "fixed" this in Camera Raw very recently, don't know why didn't implement to LR as well, let's just hope that it will come quickly

[@chicobretes]

"Fixed" cause what it does now is that when you click on the remove tool, it shows the whole image and you can select the whole thing you want to remove past the crop borders, once applied it keeps your crop

[@troymclean9301]

Thanks Mark! I’ve been using this since its release. I agree it’s getting better and it’s really tough Photoshop is my go to.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Agreed! Not as good as Photoshop yet but definitely the best it’s ever been👍

[@dalestoltman3204]

Excellent video. You are spot on with your videos. You have commented that photoshop is still better. I would like you use the same 2 images and do them both in photoshop so that we can compare the results of both in the same video. Just a suggestion. I enjoy everyone one of your videos and always come away better than before. Thanks!

[@daviddeacon4258]

Completely off topic to anything, where did you get those step up wall shelves behind you if you don't mind me asking? My office is very similar with the sloped ceiling and that would be perfect!

[@1pirate721]

Thank you for sharing. Btw, I always love your vintage gadgets in the frame. Wish I kept some of that stuff..

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

You and me both!

[@jimstreeter8430]

Thanks for sharing. I have used this tool and it works great. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks again for sharing.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thanks Jim!

[@lee090972]

Yes a big step forwards :) This is great fun

[@richardhaire5001]

When removing the areas do you find the area is softer once removed?

[@robertgrenader858]

Adobe Stock requires me to indicate if AI was used in an uploaded image. Will using the new generative remove tool require this to be indicated?????

[@geraldmurphy7168]

What is meant by generative AI anyway. Does it include Denoise AI or any edits done by, say, Topaz AI from within Lightroom?

[@Seagaltalk]

This is definitely AI generation

[@beargreasebrigade]

amazing how nature photographers love to change what they see by removing or adding this and that - I'm still learning this strange habit after years of being a photojournalist

[@phynx2006]

I never thought of it as a flaw, I just figured you needed to use Photoshop to properly remove objects. Lightroom was for basic editing of exposure, contrast and color and Photoshop was for exposure and focus stacking, dodging and burning and removing things. I have been using the new AI removal tool a lot more in Lightroom and find myself using Photoshop less and less. I still remember when I first started using Photoshop how much work it took to remove things from an image. OMG how times have changed. Great video, very informative👍👍😎

[@HR-wd6cw]

Tried this yesterday, and still PS is better. But LR is headed in the right direction though. And if they can perfect the AI Remove and clean-up tools in LR, I think many people would probably save themselves a trip to LR (which is one of the primary reasons I have to go to LR in my workflow is to clean-up images, so it would be nice to not have to do that). On the same note, if only they would bring the new DeNoise that they have in ACR into LR (where it doesn't have to create a separate DNG file) that would be nice, although I suspect this feature will also made its way into LR at some point (ACR is just a test).

[@raymondhuddleston3879]

Thanks for the info.Thats a beatiful place. I was there the first week of October. And the colors were excellent

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

That was my first visit to the mill - amazing location!

[@raymondhuddleston3879]

@@MarkDenneyPhoto my second. My first visit I was 2 weeks early for the colors and I drove down the road. I didn’t do the second time.

[@JR-sq2of]

What kind of camera is on the thumbnail? Good video. 👍. Thx

[@ele4853]

Cool. What version of LR are you using. My interface looks a little bit different...

[@catace123]

Make sure you are using Lightroom Classic instead of Lightroom CC

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Lightroom Classic

[@ianharper6015]

Thank you for another well produced and helpful video.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad to do it my friend!

[@BradLarson1963]

I will give this new feature a shot to see how it works.. Thanks for the tutorial on this.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad to do it!

[@bruceatkinson932]

Hi Mark, have you a video showing how this sort of thing is done in Photoshop?

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

No I havent

[@paragontim]

Great tips and insights! Thank you.

[@joewigginsfortynine]

I normally use photoshop to remove anything in my photos because Lightroom always did a terrible job. I just now tried it on one of my photos and all I can say is WOW! That is very impressive!

[@katsak89]

Just a quick note here: The "generative AI" tools of Lightroom are not processed by our computer, but in the cloud! The time it takes to generate are not dependent of our PC specs, but of our Internet speed mostly. As a wedding/baptism photographer, I find it to be a big minus, because in photos where there is something that in Adobe's algorithm is considered "violation" (nude, racism etc), it refuses to work and returns an error. So, when I try to edit photos of a baby, even if i am not trying to edit any part of the baby's body, it's considered nude and I can't use it at all. As for the video, excellent, as always!

[@watchlover8297]

What is the tool in photoshop that is better than this?? I think the spot healing brush tool in PS is rubbish compared to the one from years ago, unless I'm using it incorrectly.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

I like the Patch tool in PS

[@MikeScheerer]

I think previously the problem with AI Generative remove has always been its poorer resolution which could be quite noticeable on higher resolution images and this holds true for Photoshop too. Are you noticing that this is improving yet with the later iterations?

[@matthiasice]

I'd recommend NOT using an AI credit to remove things like dust spots or small objects on plain backgrounds. It's about the only thing that the standard remove is usable for. The less AI credits we use up for things that don't need it, the better.

[@lylestavast7652]

I wish they'd make a basic spotting tool that just does sensor dust that you can do once, then auto click onto every image and have it save that time...but unique to each selected image... like you can do lens profile corrections...

[@davidkrye]

Flip phone and VHS tapes! Awesome!

[@cristianursu6504]

What if I have to edit a whole event of 1-2k photos? I'm going to waste 2 months waiting for that generative fill. Adobe must bring the remove tool from PS to LR(C).

[@kmtabq617]

I also use this method to remove blemishes on models’ skin. Each removal uses an AI credit, though.

[@gerardfischer8496]

Can you provide a copy of the original image so I can follow along on the exact same image?

[@cmichaelhaugh8517]

Just used it extensively on a new shot this evening. Now I have to go back to some older shots that were lost causes with earlier technology.

[@user-rw9wq8ho1y]

My favorite tool n PS is History Brush which nobody talks about it beats dodge and burn and I wish Lightroom had it

[@Hrochnick]

The new remove tool is awesome, but sometimes it tries to replace instead of remove. I used it on a picture of and above lake garda, italy, and I wanted to get rid of a dog which was positioned poorly and didnt look good. Lightroom got rid of the dog perfectly. And replaced it with a bear.

[@flo.flo.flo.]

I don't understand why Adobe doesn't give us the option of a text input field like in Photoshop. In 7 out of 10 cases I fall back on the “classic” remove tools because Lightroom doesn't understand what I want to do. For example: If I want to remove a traffic sign, Lightroom suggests 3 new traffic signs. And yes, the AI removal tool gets colors very well, but I very often have the problem that the focus doesn't match at all

[@L.Spencer]

I don't find Photoshop's remove/heal tools to be much better. But I mostly use LRC. Why, when using the clone tool, is it not cloning exactly but often pulling from other areas? Doesn't make any sense to me. Why, when using Remove, does it do a great job but at the end of where I clicked it leaves something there? Maddening. I did use the Generative AI remove today for the first time, in LRC, and it seemed to work a little better.

[@stigfloberghagenphotography]

Nice video. Yes this was always poor in LR. I really try to not clone to much 👍

[@robrdavis]

I appreciate the new tools in Lightroom, but I feel as though they might be moving away from what I've always seen Lightroom as being: A tool to develop photos. Photoshop is the tool that you use for image manipulation: adding or removing parts of an image. PS is a much better tool for doing that, as that's what it was designed to do. Lightroom is the modern equivalent to a darkroom, where a photograph is taken from its raw capture and polished and made into the final "print." I'd rather the line between the two pieces of software not be blurred (or removed!).

[@andybamforth]

Thanks for the help.

[@smetljesm2276]

Its a step in the right direction but all these efforts are in pretty much a dud if they don't at least look and understand the entire image. It will be significantly better when you can prompt it to explain what and how to remove. It will would also be more useful if it could look at several images from a series and understand more about it and the object you are trying to remove. For instance you might have a version without obstruction but with bad framing or bad focus.

[@jamesbarnes3063]

I am going to try it, thanks

[@birdswithbeau]

Second! I couldn't resist either I try to stay away from generative AI stuff in my photography, just because of the huge invasion of the technology, its getting hard to decifer what is authentic or not nowadays... I shoot mainly birds, so it might have some differences compared to landscape when it comes to removing objects and such. It really is crazy what it can do now though... Great vid!

[@HughSansom]

What is the current status of Adobe's legal language that _was_ claiming effective co-ownership of any image altered using the generative AI tools? As for the tools themselves, they have been improved noticeably, but I typically find that a close look at the image after treatment reveals flaws that would catch the eye of many observers.

[@TheSunnySuttons]

lightroom's biggest flaw is the lack of masking in the colour wheel section and really all their modules that don't offer masking. In the end, I ditched Adobe after 10 years and now I use Luminar Neo and Affinity.

[@echoauxgen]

The biggest things to remove are airplane light trails in night images, little colored lights dots in the trail but a meteor has no dots just a great add in a long exposure of even a second or two. Also those high flying birds that look like dust spots. I went back to some of my old 2015 MW images where I was capturing on an island beach where the sky is full of plane traffic the hardest to remove is the ones flying high and behind a driftwood tree (no leaves) so between and behind limbs getting just close enough to a limb on one side and the other THIS removal tool is great, astro capture will be great now! I wounder how it will do elongated car trails unwanted like doing a panorama next to a road and a 20 second image and it the trail goes by on the side of that one image, I have had to redo a capture several times due to traffic also. I will have to go back and check I save all images good or bad you will never know when a editing tool will come along!

[@tjsinva]

Wizardry. Happy Halloween! 🤓

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Same to you🎃

[@bjoernphotography]

Lightroom’s biggest flaw - memory management, multicore code, using of CUDA… and the resolution of AI generated stuff… not usable for prints… and maybe an idea - why is there no possibility to „explain“ the AI tool what kind of object should be changed…

[@DavidMay-u2p]

HJey there are dust spot on the sensor.above the cloud why not that

[@alancreutz9561]

This morning (Nov 7, 2024) this video is "not available". Tried several different approaches.. What happened to it?

[@MeAMuse]

Lightroom’s biggest flaw is that it is not quick to switch between photos compared to other programs. This makes going through picture to cull/ pick your best images take ages… especially when you want to quickly zoom into the details to check focus. It’s slow at the bit we all hate.

[@DennisMoncla]

Use fast raw viewer!

[@o.aldenproductions.9858]

Poor people at Lightroom who have been working day and night giving us tools to make our dreams images come to life.....and have to deal with all this criticism 😅. Lightroom is freaking amazing

[@nasterkub]

Is that a Samsung sph N400?

[@michaelaiello5229]

Fantastic! Thanks...

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad you liked it!

[@Alex-mm5lo]

For me the main problem with this earasing tool is the fact that it never match de blur of my initial photos... So it's like a big circle, very visible...

[@krimke881]

I found jumping ship, regarding remove/clone/erase-tool in Adobe at all, was the best thing to do. There's far better and simpler ways to do this with other providers. But seeing Adobe finally getting LRc some needed att. are giving me hopes. Photographers are not meant to be software specialists. I think Adobe still haven't got their head around that. LRc just need to be fixed properly. Old legacy bugs, as well as new features.

[@photoartisansecuador]

What’s the difference between modifying 5% of an image and 50%? Where's the line that separates photographers from digital artists?

[@JustinBradleyPhotographer]

Curoius, how would you define Ansel Adams and where would you draw the line with his darkroom tricks?

[@jvat]

Modifying a picture after it was taken has always been a part of photography. And as always - especially in every arts form: there is no sharp line that separates one thing (photographer) from another one (digital artist). Borders are blurred, moving or sometimes just not there. And why should it be any other way? Cooperate, don't segregate!

[@photosinneighborhood]

Landscape photography is closer to landscape painting where how the artist saw the scene is more important than carbon copying the scene.

[@stevehunt4660]

I feel defining the width of that line would have value as much as defining its exact position....

[@photoartisansecuador]

@@JustinBradleyPhotographer I’m an unknown photographer, without the authority to make definitive judgments-especially when it comes to the darkroom of Ansel Adams. I’m simply trying to understand why his photographs hold such greater value than ours, despite the fact that we have access to some of the best tricks in the history of photography

[@mohammadsiam4819]

Mark, which model of the MacBook you are currently using to edit your photos?

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

M2

[@intentionally-blank]

Why I wait for clouds. Sometimes for them to move along.

[@blakescrossing]

Regarding AI, when does a photograph stop becoming a photograph? This video shows the line is fine. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with such heavy image manipulation.

[@clausgiloi6036]

Now we just need generative extend in LR!

[@eddu4361]

That shareholder’s greed has to stop. This is the time to achieve it.

[@hotflashfoto]

Hey, Mark. Look over your left shoulder. I used the Remove tool and your clock is now missing. LOL

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

🤣

[@DanConerd]

Great shirt! #AshevilleStrong #MountainStrong

[@RayBourgeois-i9i]

Try Luminar Neo

[@Onboredatlast]

I think everyone is going to have a line where it goes from removing a distraction to changing the photo so much from reality that you may as well just us AI for the whole image. My line is at about 7:20 in the vid.

[@EsotericNY]

...always enjoy your content, but I'm glitching on the VHS cassette, Gameboy and flip phone parked on your desk. Nice touch }:-\

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

😃

[@Wistbacka]

Seems like generative AI tool is still suffering from being significantly low resolution. Feels so weird it cant match the pixel density

[@DutchDiederik]

Lightroom Classic's biggest flaw is still its performance, and that's most definitely not fixed.

[@photosinneighborhood]

Am I the only one who noticed the gameboy on the desk??

[@PrinceJvstin]

See, I don't like generative remove that adds things that were never there. Removing the cloud, sure, I see the value...but adding "Extra mountain" or "extra tree" is something I just don't like. I know that landscape and most photography is NOT photojournalism...but adding items, even inadvertently, is currently "my line". Removing the woodpile and adding trees...I don't know, it feels more than just dodging or burning something out.

[@thomasleiblein5001]

Hello Mark, is this the new iPhone 16 Pro? lol

[@Rankhole123]

cool feature but I feel like I'd rather not remove things in a landscape at all. I like capturing the moment as is. I feel like this feature will eventually cause things to be too fake on the internet..

[@RotterStudios]

This is great but for me it kind of ruins what photography is all about. Been into it since the film days.

[@EmilPozarphoto]

it is in fact ACR

[@Jimmer-Space88]

Proving once again, especially after reviewing the comments, most photographs are fake. The addition of AI has just made crappy photographers survive.

[@jamesgerboc]

The issue that remains is the resolution of AI generations are still quite low. They look good on the screen until you zoom in.

[@jamesburk3959]

Not an issue under normal circumstances, but a very big problem if you are making a large print of the photo for sure.

[@MatthewUseda]

Do you miss the 4:3 native ratio yet?

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Not as much as I first thought I would - guess I just got used to not having it

[@IanBrowne-x6n]

''FINALLY! Lightroom's Biggest Flaw is Fixed..'' Not the biggest Mark ; Adobe itself is the biggest and why I still use Lr5 🤣

[@seangaffney581]

Sky replacement in photoshop would be easier lol

[@scarcesense6449]

I'll never understand how the same company can sell multiple pieces of software with the same features but where one of them only has 5% of the capabilities. Why not just share your work with the guy on the next desk and ship identical features?

[@ravenfallsphotography6254]

The $64,000 Question: how well does the new object detect feature work without generative AI?

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Not as good..as expected

[@chithanh.photography]

Công việc tuyệt vời

[@Aygross]

Speed....?

[@davidstanton8668]

Biggest flaw? I thought you were talking about the face detection function.