Finally scored one , the magnepan LRS, how does it compare to the older ones?!

[@MichelLinschoten]

Hi there first off read the comments ,true enthusiasm here with diverse opinions. I will make another video and try to explain a bit more about how things run here One person mentioned space was an issue regarding the mgIIIa. I'll address that too , 😊 Thank you guys so far to commenting! I am not a professional KZbinr (clearly) but I am honest and relay what I feel and experience. So the next video for sure I'll talk about the things I've read here in the comments

[@johns9349]

Look, Michel -If I was incorrect about the space in your experience, ok. I disagree, but that's ok. I chimed in and meant no offense. I have been listening to Magnepans for close to 30 years straight. I've owned many pairs. I have found that the 3 series and above really need 6 feet or more from the wall to come alive. I even had my MMG's in 1995 placed 6 feet from the rear wall. This resulted in a beautiful and much more complex and revealing sound. I am not knocking you or your room. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I shared some info I believed might help. Magnepan enthusiasts should help each other. I've seen scores of guys get rid of their Maggies because they didn't understand how far from the rear wall they need to be. Other factors matter, of course. I happen to have had wonderful listening rooms with amazing acoustics. But I believe when Maggies are placed on the longer wall and too close to the wall, they suffer. There is something about the 3 series and the ribbon tweeter that they like to be placed at a distance from the wall. Just sharing. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

[@MichelLinschoten]

@@johns9349 we don't agree there at all especially not on the 6ft rule (which to me is very questionable aswell) for a few very good reasons I may add. I really want to address this jn a video I might . And John totally not offended AT ALL , you clearly love them and I respect that . I have a warmer heart for other mg models I've had hands down . I've also had many pairs every single mg pretty much known to man ... So not new at this either.

[@johns9349]

​@@MichelLinschoten Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. In all the best Magnepan setups I've ever heard, the speakers were 5 or more feet from rear wall. And I've heard nearly every model ever made, except for the ones I had little interest in, like the computer speakers, etc. I spent years listening to the very first Magnepans. Friend owned them. He lived across the street. 50 + years and they still sound great. He got them brand new when they came out. But yes, even the LRS benefit from being 6ft from the rear wall. I owned those, too. I just liked the bass in my MG12's better.

[@johns9349]

@@MichelLinschoten I might add that the 6 foot rule depends on the room size. If I were to call it a rule, which I don't, I would always advise people to be between 4-6 feet from rear wall, minimum. My listening room was 24 wide x 34 long. 13 foot ceilings. Not a typical room. In smaller rooms, I've gone as close as 3 feet. Never sounded as good as 6. This is why I made my original comment on your room. I believe those 3 series need a big room to breathe. Experiment, if you haven't done so.

[@MichelLinschoten]

​@@johns9349 I am going to make a video about this I promise you that. 😊 To much I want to relay after reading your comments (which are very thorough and thought out ) which I appreciate. Let's make this a open discussion because on some things, I do agree with you ..on some I don't. This is what passion is about ,make it discussable with all of the viewers. I think it's a good thing to put out there.

[@williamnow146]

I love your attitude. Also it’s great hearing from someone having all that experience with Magnepans! I always hate when people comment with “pointers to help you.” I’ve had my LRS for a couple years and feel so lucky to be able to hear their great sound. I have a rather small listening area and I compliment it with the smallest of the REL subs and it fits perfectly into the sound. I would like to hear the Tympani’s someday. Have a good one.

[@MichelLinschoten]

It's a excellent little planar really is,nothing is perfect when you scrutinize it enough. In essence, we as listeners are our own worst enemies. Super glad you scored a set back then! Those were not easy to obtain I bet and glad you were open to the idea. To have a sub paired with them. It really levels up the sound

[@user-ko8kx8vf1k]

Wow you sound like me only toned down, very cool! Keep doing videos I'm on board.😊

[@MichelLinschoten]

Welcome my dude, it's always unfiltered! I get more and more requests for reviews. So definitely more content coming.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

I just ordered some LRS+. It’s shipping in a few days. $950 from the factory. I look forward to enjoying them.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Congratulations! Definitely spend time placing them well. They can be very rewarding speakers

[@brrryan2908]

I sold my LRS (at a loss) because I did not have a good room at that time. Thanks for posting your maggie experiences. :)

[@MichelLinschoten]

Anytime ! There is a mg2.5r underway as we speak. I want to find out how true ribbons compare to the lrs quasi ribbon.

[@badlloyd]

I hate those money mongers also!

[@rickhilton6259]

I have had the original LRS and now have the LRS Plus. I feel the mids and highs are improved on the new version. However the bass seems a little leaner at lest in my room compared to the LRS. This could be due to the fact that I’m using the stands with the LRS plus raising them off the floor. The treble seems to have better extension and air over the original LRS. I could live happily with either version. Happy listening.

[@MichelLinschoten]

I am curious as I will sooner or later have them both (I know myself) and I will not shy away of opening them up to see what's really different. Magnepan is very elusive about the "+" behind the lrs . As many have their opinion about the plus being the same as the lrs just with different optional feet and higher upmark. I digress, as I can't confirm it the only way I can is by removing the socks .

[@RUMBLEGO1]

You will most definitely lose some bass response raising any speaker off of the floor.

[@Cujobob]

The original LRS had a bass bump in their frequency response if you look it up. I haven't looked at the LRS+' frequency response, but if they went more neutral with it, you'll see a difference there. The LRS is not a neutral speaker, it's a "fun" speaker. I have the LRS+ and I've been enjoying them. They don't compete with my high end point sources, but they have a big fun sound and that open baffle bass response which makes them enjoyable as a WFH always on speaker.

[@carlitomelon4610]

​@@MichelLinschoten Do it as a Public service !

[@MichelLinschoten]

@@Cujobob I agree I have a couple cone systems that will outdo it on many areas. However the way I haven't sounding now? With better feet what not upright. They can easily match my 5k MSRP Lynnfield in the mid area best them even. I do miss my bigger 2.5q now. But looking into it as we speak. Also have to add I don't run them without active crossover /subs. Just planars by themselves have to many shortcomings vs the come systems I currently own.

[@JohnDoe-np3zk]

I got the original LRS early at 650 plus 65 shipping. They excel in my Bryston bp20 mps1 and 4bsst. I have two Rel t5 behind the lrs. They work great in my living room. I compared them to kappa 7s in same spot. The kappas are better imo except maybe the top end on the lrs is better? Bass obv kappa crushes. I dont use a crossover just run the lrs full range. Anyway i think the lrs plus means more money but as you say the speaker deserved a higher price. I kind of think magnepans dreams of the lrs being an entry to the much more expensive models is a definite maybe. Your review with all that experience makes me think many will stick with the lrs.

[@MichelLinschoten]

None of my kappas, comes remotely close to the depth , stage presence and above all imaging of the lrs. The lrs is basically a oversized emim. I most definitely never ever heard any cone do what a planar can do on those areas. Low end is just a dictating factor in the overall sound of speakers like the lrs. The better the low end is the better you get them to sing as a whole. Interesting how we have both opposite experiences here ! Very interesting to hear what you all play with and how it was placed. I run them most definitely NOT full range 😅 Thanks for your comment, interesting read for sure.

[@JohnDoe-np3zk]

Well as a drummer I find cymbals in particular sound way better with the Infinity tweeters. Sound stage and imaging with the kappa 8s blows away the LRS in that department. I do think the LRS presents a more full sound and the dipole effect makes for a concert hall sound. To be fair I need to place the LRS exactly where my kappa 8s are with the better Bryston gear and see what gives.

[@MichelLinschoten]

​​@@JohnDoe-np3zk yah in terms of dynamics my kappas for sure outdo the lrs or any Maggie really. In terms of stage sound , depth , instrumental seperation. The emit tweeters are push pull planars so that's very interesting same technology (single ended) upsized for the lrs. I have to say the lrs drivers easily buried the polydomes without a doubt. Mine are driven by ATI build Crestrons cnampx7 amps. Also using subs (to me any Maggie just be benefits from subs) Very different experiences having both the same speakers in comparison very interesting!

[@ethimself5064]

Bryston⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@TheDanEdwards]

Agree about the model differences: price. They also got rid of the side panels. The original LRS was priced too low, Wendell Diller was complaining that they were losing money.

[@MichelLinschoten]

The more I see and hear Wendell the more it shimmer through he's a salesman and in actuality. Doesn't do much more than that, when he talks about magnepans too. Look up the new magnepan "woofers" video. He's incoherent as get al, my issue is that there is nothing for the lrs guy to grab onto. To justify the upgrade. As magnepan , themselves simply keeps it to themselves. That's not good IMHO, there are tons of people that have a lrs. And would like to know what the LRS+ has to offer. They simply don't give answers. That's a shame

[@jasonmelo9379]

Wendell has always been this way. Thinks he has all kinds of secrets? Absolutely ridiculous. The only possible difference could be better crossover components and lifting it off the floor as compared to the LRS. And I doubt he put better crossover components in it. It's just lifted off the floor so it sounds leaner and more detailed.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Thats indeed to me what it seems like too .. Wendell is just a sales guy, when he gets asked the difficult questions he avoids them . Look up when a a interviewer was asking about "what the main differences are between the lrs and lrs+" His answer was "you're putting me on the spot " and started to talk random bullshit (forgive my French)... They are failing the customers that would LOVE to upgrade if they actually were to explain what they did to justify the 1k price for them .. Mind you that's MINUS THE UPGRADED FEET . I even called them asking. 1200 plus with the feet ...I also did not get any answers between my lrs and lrs+ so i didn't upgrade to them

[@jasonmelo9379]

@@MichelLinschoten Just buy the regular model it's the same exact thing. Wendell sucks, I've talked to him many times over the phone.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Can't buy them no more only secondhand. Plus I actually gave away my magnepan lrs just about. I still keep swerving back to cone systems . They are just more "complete" speakers to me.

[@Jack96993]

I have the Magnepans 7's and if given copious amounts of watts/current and proper position they will sound amazing I should also mention mine have the Magnarisers stands, fuse and jumper upgrade My amp puts out 500watts@8ohm 650@4ohms and 1,200 watts@1ohm and it really helps with the dynamics and soundstage l also use two SVS Ultra 13 subs with upgraded plate amps with DSP to help dial things in Yes Maggie's have a good entry price, and are amazing for money spent, but it doesn't stop there 😅

[@MichelLinschoten]

Nice ! Sounds like a system I could enjoy too. I agree with your last sentence ,it doesn't stop there. Magnepans are cheap relatively,but need more (ergo subwoofers) to really sound their best

[@Jack96993]

@@MichelLinschoten Hey have you heard about the UBS Sub that Magnepan is going to release? Very interesting approach for a sub Oh if you look up "Magnepan 7's doing their thing" on KZbin you can hear my stereo rig with equipment description

[@MichelLinschoten]

I actually watched the video yesterday where they had the martin long as unplugged and playing the sub full range. impressive! My next video I'll throw an idea out there that i want to do. It's sub related so stay tuned ! Worth it IMHO

[@Jack96993]

@@MichelLinschoten I'll watch it for sure! Any sub improvement with Maggie's is a good thing

[@RUMBLEGO1]

You saying to unsubscribe if you are one of those assholes is all i needed to hear! Subscribed to you! Would love to hear these some time. Just picked up an old set of Mirage 09's in near mint condition. They are omnidirectional and sound glorious! Definitely a fan of that large soundstage and not direct sound.

[@RUMBLEGO1]

Also thought i saw a video where Magnepan came out with some subwoofer type of speaker?? Someone who was incredulous came out of the audition a believer. Can't remember where i saw that though on Yooutube

[@MichelLinschoten]

​@@RUMBLEGO1 I've always ran maggies with subs since I've had them . I can't stress enough , try it PLEASE do it's a game changer I promise.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Mirage made some insane good speakers Canadian made !

[@RUMBLEGO1]

@@MichelLinschoten Oh yeah.....these Mirage's are being supplemented with a sub for sure. Will never be without one! :) Have never tried 2 though. Many people say that's another level up. Just don't have the space currently. These OM9's are quite the presence on their own in my 12'X18" room. 2 Subs would be 2 much. Just use a small 8" powered sub to take over some of the low duties so the Mirage's can sing more in everything else.

[@joenovak6393]

@@RUMBLEGO1 Here you go...kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3q6p6GAebOgrM0

[@antwinn8460]

Great info brother. We need to get you a better camera tho. 😄

[@MichelLinschoten]

Was my front camera I agree it suck 😂

[@YamilLlanos]

How does the LRS compare to 0.7? Thanks

[@MichelLinschoten]

Hard to tell , I never had the 0.7. I can tell you what I did have the mgI,mgII, mgIIIa,mmgi,mmgw,smg, Tympani I . Mg2.5q Without a shadow of a doubt the quasi ribbon drivers are way more revealing than the older planar drivers (wired) it comes with its own downsides. The older models do sound a bit more forgiving but definitely more rolled off in the upper end (aside from the true ribbon tweeter loaded ones I had) I am still very impressed with the lrs being able to virtually reproduce the upper end of a true ribbon. Without the fragile downsides of the true ribbon tweeters. There is a video I'll link here for you to see. It's from Thomas (fantastic source IMHO) he actually compared a few vs the lrs. The outcome was actually very surprising. kzbin.info/www/bejne/amSWZ2eomJyXbs0

[@robertdavis1976]

Better crossover component (caps and inductors). Increases the resolution.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Magnepan crossovers have polycaps, I've never heard major differences between one polycaps or the other of SAME values. The ferrite core inductors are more than enough for a planar. You won't saturate those, but I won't deny the possible minor changes it can bring. It's a super simple design. Besides i gave the lrs away ,I left magnepan in my rear view mirror . They have for my situation to many downsides

[@r.veuger346]

@@MichelLinschoten i get that you don't believe in better components in XO for Magnepan. For the LRS+ they might just have changed a little. Maybe a different tension in the mylar. it could be such small changes, and then sell them at a more 'normal' price... for as the companyfounder said in a interview 'as Mangepan just like to give things away' as a sneer to the current management and its pricing of the LRS productline About componants: I have other experciences. The big aircore inductors give way better bass then the stock inductors. Foilinducters would be still better, but pricy. Same goes for the cap on the tweeter, Danny sells Sonicaps in his upgrades. This all made a huge inmprovent over stock. I used cheap copperwire but got harshness on vocals again... so i bought Neotech OCC wire.... wow, again, big upgrade. TO my ears. Then the Duelund bypass cap, that i put in last week. JESUS. What a upgrade from such a small part, only two caps... Sound has become totally immersive 3D with every detail that is there. Love it that i can always tweak something more. But its now so darn good, why change more...

[@reyiiteleco]

Savage lol

[@MichelLinschoten]

Just keeping it real brother 😜

[@wric01]

Get rid of Tinny top end with metal copper bar for fuse and copper foil the U bar for more bass.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Did better than that, we had "audiophile " grade fuses and removed the original crappy terminals. Replaced them with binding posts. You gain 0 bass or anything , magnepans don't produce low end that well. Well known about speakers like that. I've had even a Tympani 1 in that room 6ftx4ft wide planars. They don't produce satisfying low end without a good pair of subs. It's still true that cones just do a better job at displacement vs planar

[@r.veuger346]

The problem with replacing fuses, bars, and bindingpost in a maggie, is that you still have the shitty metal on the inside its connected to. Best way is solder it completly out of the metal on the board on the inside. No fuse is good fuse some one once said. Put the wires from the XO directly on the copper BP on the inside. Then you will hear a sounddiffence.... and maybe even some more bass... but for bass you first need a current delivering amp just my two cents.

[@MichelLinschoten]

In all reality a different type of metal doesn't do diddly either on those speakers. If that was true you should see how thin the foil (quasi) or the older wires are that make u out the drivers. Also that you need a current amp to get low end out of Maggie's that's funny. See I use 200lbs just in transformers as my main amp in my system. Planars don't produce low end simply because they can't. You can't expect a sheet if thin foil to do the excursion of a cone . It's not going to happen. I drove planars (see Tympani video ) that's. 6x4ft per side planar. Those don't do much under 60-50hz is pushing it. There is a reason why for example Arnie nudell made speaker with cone drivers and planar combined (emit,lemim,emims) those are all planar based drivers. Has absolutely little to do with current or not. Also magnepans are a pure resistive load they are not so hard to drive in reality. They are super linear on the impedance end of things. (Measured them plenty by now) I had a way harder time with cone system on the end. A kappa 9 dips to 0.8ohm

[@jayem1826]

Yes. I agree. Hate those greedy little pricks

[@MichelLinschoten]

Haha see that I like, no bullshit straight up telling how it is.

[@jayem1826]

I read my comment and I'll have to watch your video again as I can't remember what I was taking about.

[@johns9349]

You didn't like the 3a's because of that room. Listen to them in a large room, six feet from the wall. They're fantastic. You've got to give them the proper room.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Absolutely false, and I will for sure talk about that in my next video 😉 Hopefully it becomes a bit more clear what my issue with the mgIIIa are. The Tympani was twice the size of the mgIIIa, fantastic. It was so good actually , that my buddy bought them and replaced his genesis (23k MSRP set) with them. Mine were rebuild by magnepan. Mg2 same size....fantastic Mg1 slightly smaller...fantastic Mmg...smaller like the lrs but fantastic The III is the only planar that was for my ears...nope. but I digress! Not hating .just telling you I had tons of Maggie's including bigger ones than the mgIIIa (by a good margin) So most definitely my room wasn't a issue , also the dipole radiation pattern ( I will address that in my next video) allows maggies actually to placed in much smaller rooms than some think !

[@johns9349]

@@MichelLinschoten Here I agree with you regarding the smaller room comment. But only partly. Maggies can deal with a narrow room due to the dipole pattern. Many people don't understand this, either. However, they always benefit from a longer room. They like to be pulled out farther from the rear wall and have plenty of space after that. Travel the country and listen to Maggies at dealers. There are dealers who still wrestle with placement. When you find a dealer with a great room and placement like I've described, you'll be floored with the sound quality jump.

[@jowblow2171]

I bypassed the Mid and tweeter fuses and replaced the cheap capacitors and horrible binding posts in the 3a's.. They now sound absolutely amazing in my large room.

[@MichelLinschoten]

I loved the mg2.5 lot better that midrange in the mgIIIa it just nope for me. There is gap between the ribbon and the midrange it's clear as day to me. That being said I've sold all my Maggie's they lack dynamicly, for their size .

[@warrenwillis6477]

How does this speaker perform at low, late night volumes, say 65-70 db?

[@MichelLinschoten]

Pretty good! It's not as dynamic as a cone system so you might find that a bit less pleasant. I run them with my subs so low volume (which I actually listen too lot) no issues. Off axis response is pressy terrible

[@TheStarflight41]

Get a horn speaker.

[@MichelLinschoten]

Yah I agree there .... I have Klipsch kg4 in my other system and they do low volume really well. It's just in higher volumes you can run into issues there. They can play absurdly loud

[@stuartwiner7920]

So you don't have an LRS+, but you're confident that there's no improvement. That's odd. There's no backlog now. You might want to check & see if there's any difference.

[@jayem1826]

My SMGa's from 1989 started buzzing. Being overseas in 3rd world meant there was no way to send them in for repairs and there was no way it could be done here. Got a pair of MMG'S fairly cheap. They needed break in time and finally they sound great. I would love to get the LRS+, the contact person for the cargo forwarder can't be found and no one replies. Typical Pinoy bull shit. An Accuphase power amp with a tubed pre-amp was wonderful until the akirita phase died. Akirita is what the Dealer in Japan used to call accuphase. He was right. Temporarily put an Adcom in the mix. Not bad, but not great. Went class D and was happy until the manufacturer talked me into a Mini GaN 5 amp. Much better bass, much better 3 dementinality and imaging. That's all. Thanks

[@MichelLinschoten]

Now that's some good information! Never knew that accuphase went by another name . Very interesting, I do know in the past they had a 12k CD player which is basically a rebranded sac777 transport like I got from Sony. I do know of their reputation,I think they are right up there alongside McIntosh isn't ? Great piece of information and thanks for your strong brother! Appreciated hope to see you around here . I like people that don't bullshit about it. Happy Thanksgiving/holidays there

[@jayem1826]

Well, the dealer was being sarcastic. A ki ri ta means cut. He wasn't a fan. Sorry if I misled you.

[@wilbertiii]

That's because the XO's suck.

[@MichelLinschoten]

I agree there with you magnepan in general very, cheesy xo's and don't even get me started with stupid terminals they still use today. I replaced those ASAP

[@wilbertiii]

@MichelLinschoten personally I ripped out the XO's and run a quad amp per channel through Minidsp active XO and 2 pair MMG's and stereo open baffle subs

[@cravenmoore7778]

If you NEED subs it's not there yet 😢

[@MichelLinschoten]

No maggie will produce sub low, not sure you ever had a Tympani before that's a 6x4ft wide planar. Pretty much the biggest you can get aside from the 30.7. As that was their replacement for the Tympani series. And trust me below 50hz?! Not much going on at all... Also letting a Maggie do low end is just not smart at all. Mylar CANNOT do what come does better displacement. And that's what you need in order to have good low end. I agree with you , I wished it was different. But it just isn't, even magnepan now started to experiment with "woofer towers" Which nudell (infinity) for example already did 40 years ago. Now not to say some rooms can get away with it. But under 50-60hz you'd be hard pressed getting satisfying low end out of them. Here's another thought , why would you force your speakers to do it?! There is no point IMHO to push a planar to their limitations. I rather let a pair of subs do that heavy lifting. And let the lrs do what it does best. I need to make another video , y'all giving me some good stuff here to talk about.

[@joenovak6393]

@@MichelLinschoten Here is the link on the Maggie Subwoofers focus group...kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3q6p6GAebOgrM0

[@Revelator2025]

Maggies will never give you a dynamic driver “punch you in the face” impact. I own a pair of 3.7is and I use two Tekton 4-10 subs. Just a must for my listening preferences…

[@cravenmoore7778]

@@Revelator2025 I've been considering Teton 🤔, I'm wondering if they're too big for my listening room.

[@MichelLinschoten]

​@@Revelator2025 agreed 👍