Finding alien artifacts on the Moon, Mars, and other planets | Adam Frank and Lex Fridman

[@LexClips]

Lex Fridman Podcast full episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5m9couOfp1mY5Y Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/cv8350-sa See below for guest bio, links, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *GUEST BIO:* Adam Frank is an astrophysicist studying star systems and the search for extraterrestrial life and alien civilizations. *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Adam's Website: adamfrankscience.com Adam's X: x.com/adamfrank4 Adam's Instagram: instagram.com/adamfrankscience Adam's Books: The Little Book of Aliens: amzn.to/3OTX1rP Light of the Stars: amzn.to/4iMKC6C The Blind Spot: amzn.to/4gOCe4K The Constant Fire: amzn.to/3ZVnxX4 *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Encord:* AI tooling for annotation & data management. Go to lexfridman.com/s/encord-cv8350-sa *Eight Sleep:* Temp-controlled smart mattress cover. Go to lexfridman.com/s/eight_sleep-cv8350-sa *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to lexfridman.com/s/shopify-cv8350-sa *NetSuite:* Business management software. Go to lexfridman.com/s/netsuite-cv8350-sa *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-cv8350-sa *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to lexfridman.com/s/notion-cv8350-sa *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-cv8350-sa *AG1:* All-in-one daily nutrition drinks. Go to lexfridman.com/s/ag1-cv8350-sa *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: kzbin.info *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: patreon.com/lexfridman - Telegram: t.me/lexfridman - Reddit: reddit.com/r/lexfridman

[@tim2024-df5fu]

Lex the AI program is looking for straight lines, right angles, perfect circles etc. which normally don't occur in nature. This isn't our first rodeo when it comes to programing software recognition.

[@sheikfrankicechibu1827]

nice thumbnail bait

[@jimmcluhan2455]

Exactly.

[@beastmaster6943]

Welcome to KZbin

[@icecold9511]

The first clue is "Earth has had a bio-signature for billions of years." Really? Because the first organisms that weren't bacteria was only 600 million years ago. Tell me you don't know what your talking about, without actually saying it.

[@jimmcluhan2455]

@@icecold9511 So I asked ChatGBT the following question: " Seeing a planet from a distance, can that planet exhibit or show evidence of a bio-signature if there are no organisms on the planet." Now I'm asking myself: 'who is smarter? You or ChatGPT.'

[@grimmertwin2148]

Lex ain't frank

[@geoffreyparsons4353]

What about all the air brushed out artifacts by Nasa

[@frankmacleod2565]

What are you talking about

[@davidclark3142]

Every time anyone mentions this all I ever see is what are you talking about. Like dude it's not that hard to find. Anyway time to go set off some fireworks bye-bye.

[@Solomon-z6xbih]

​@frankmacleod2565 look it up

[@havok93]

@frankmacleod2565 look up Gary McKinnon interview talking about what he found. Should get you started in right direction

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@havok93 why? Just more conspiracy theories. Birds aren't fake, the earth isn't flat, get used to it

[@executivesteps]

The resolution of the Moon’s surface by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is way better than “a couple of meters”.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

1:36 “The moon has been mapped down to a few meters”. Is it possible to get this image data in its original quality? I’m not claiming any scientific purpose, I would like to create really pretty extremely high-resolution images of the Moon (and other planets) as they would look to the naked eye.

[@executivesteps]

Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter website. The resolution is way better than a “couple of meters”.

[@havok93]

I think nasa has scrubbed most of it over the years, there's a famous British hacker who found before and after images and was locked up over it

[@havok93]

You can probably find the raw data somewhere I know older European satellites it's just free to download

[@CornPopsDood]

@@executivestepsresolution has nothing to do with the scale of mapping. Pay attention in school.

[@executivesteps]

@ If you’re trying locate relic objects on the Moon’s surface, scale means squat. It all about resolution.

[@byrigelslight2167]

This gentleman wants to deploy an AI program to look for artifacts on the moon when the Clementine Satellite imagery clearly shows mile high structures that have airbrushed out with the 1970s version of Paintshop.

[@toddsmith5715]

What in the world are you talking about?

[@byrigelslight2167]

The Clementine mission mapped the surface of the moon. I remember looking at this data in the late early 2000s and there were clearly sections of the images that were clearly blurred. Don’t take my word for it though. Go down the rabbit hole yourself.

[@thibaudmalterre1624]

I googled and didnt see anything unusual about the data. 🤷🤡

[@ME4503]

@@thibaudmalterre1624use a different search engine 🤡🤡

[@benplus2053]

​@@thibaudmalterre1624ofc you will not find anything like that. You'd have to go back to the late early 2000's, whenever that is, change the name to Clementine and then analyze the original data using ONLY Windows 95.

[@i_accept_all_cookies]

Even our best moon imagery datasets can't resolve very small objects (about 0.5 meters per pixel at an altitude of 50 km). This means we can only resolve objects about 1-2 meters in size (and not very well).

[@mikereilly2745]

Yes , It's frustrating that not enough people understand resolution. I would like to see a popular high traffic channel explain some optical principals in a clear , easy demonstration . Something that would get millions of views

[@withershin]

What? 1:33 - Adam, GIS software to do this has been around for 40+ years. I took remote sensing courses in university 20+ years ago. I think perhaps you might be dreaming. The data is not just sitting there. All data has been processed and what gets shared to the public isn't going to show anything. Using AI (which is also not the correct term) would be completely useless. AI/ML is limited to the training data. So if the training data has been "smoothed" the "AI" isn't going to detect anything. This is a silly conversation.

[@SjielVandenboorn-no7zb]

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[@SjielVandenboorn-no7zb]

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[@BillWoodillustrator]

How about showing the lunar surface with the evidence of any the moon landings? In ANY detail at all….

[@frankmacleod2565]

You can't see footprints and things we left from that distance

[@BillWoodillustrator]

Who’s talking about bloody footprints? 😂 Larger evidence. The lunar vehicles and tread marks- shouldn’t be THAT hard

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@BillWoodillustrator You're right, it's not that hard. The lunar lander and tracks are visible in photographs from orbit. You can't see them with your naked eyes, they're far too far away.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@BillWoodillustrator Look up a Forbes magazine article from last February entitled "NASA Spacecraft Spots Tipped-Over Odysseus Moon Lander From Orbit". One of numerous sources of information on this subject.

[@ModernPlague]

​@frankmacleod2565 Apollo missions were hoaxes, it all becomes so obvious when you really look at it.

[@mcgill89]

The moon is made out of cheese, so we should find bacterial artifacts on the surface.

[@steved1880]

Aged cheese

[@daheikkinen]

Let’s make a lunar pizza 🍕

[@jamesburns4932]

Facts

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

Wensleydale in at least parts.

[@Urehs]

You mean funghi and rats

[@PimSlickins]

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the"Dark Knight Satellite"??

[@adamgoudy]

Because they can’t explain it with our “science”

[@StefanoCap13]

*finding human artifacts on the Moon from a civilization that existed prior to major cataclysms

[@procerusgigas]

Finding dozens of different groups of artefacts, all human, all parts of different civilizations from 50k, 100k, 200k and 500k years ago.

[@VancouverInvestor]

@@procerusgigas That's actually a chilling scenario. Just meant we nuked ourselves every 50K yrs. Pretty meaningless lives...

[@coopjammin]

Where did we get this guy from?

[@JohnnyStroud]

Well, what happened to the Brookings Institute's directive to NASA to NEVER divulge to the public any discovery they find of extraterrestrial life? Did something change? Did I miss something?

[@frankmacleod2565]

Did NASA say they would obey that directive?

[@JohnnyStroud]

@@frankmacleod2565 Yes they did, and have been.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@JohnnyStroud prove it

[@JohnnyStroud]

@@frankmacleod2565 I dont have to, google it;

[@albundy7718]

The AI checking the moon surface data idea is great, but it also has to detect all the photoshop changes and in the old days literally taping over of ruins or bases on the moon by NASA.

[@barryfoster453]

Wow...I have some alien artifacts in my garden! I also call them rocks.

[@captainjack--]

Thank you for some common sense.

[@michaelwills1926]

Yep it’s all rocks, always and forever.

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Finally, a good idea for AI

[@tma2001]

I seem to recall a film about this very possibility ;)

[@ImpatientBen]

Bit of a mislead with the thumbnail mate

[@johngodden4363]

Given that the earth is billions of years old, and that throughout that period it has been geologically active and subject to asteroid strikes there is every possibility that we are not the first species to have an advanced civilisation. If we do “shock / horror encounter ‘alien artefacts’ on the moon or other celestial bodies in our solar system, it would - I suggest, be more likely that the origin of those artifacts are from earth. Intergalactic travel is so seriously difficult and dangerous that it is conceivably impossible given all the factors involved.

[@probins2299]

You two are different to everything else in the room

[@simrans3675]

These 2 are now exotic signatures for the Furniture! Voila!

[@KentoLeoDragon]

It's called gardening? Well dang you really do learn something new everyday.

[@paulburket]

If the moon has been imaged/mapped down to the meter, how bout releasing that archive to the public before AI is tasked. Oh wait.. that’s right, there’s nothing on the moon to see. Just like Antarctica. It’s all ice and snow but they blur it out. Why is it that the mars images are such low quality too?? It’s 2025 and all we get are 700kB photos?!?! Did they attach a Motorola Razor flip phone to the side of the rover? I’m disappointed in your level of inquiry as of late Lex. Still can’t believe so many of my cherished podcasts platformed Michael Saylor without pushing back in any meaningful way.

[@frankmacleod2565]

There are things to see on the moon and at Antarctica. There are research stations at Antarctica. Educate yourself

[@frankmacleod2565]

An image was taken of mars which is 1.8 billion pixels. Educate yourself

[@paulburket]

@ there are segments in Antarctica that are available to view, such as research stations. I’m referring to the majority of the continent which is blurred without zoom capabilities. Why can’t we see the vast open frozen spaces, much of the snow covered mountains. We’re told it’s a frozen continent, devoid of life, just snow/ice/rock. What’s the harm in making all available? Where is this moon surface navigator like a Google earth? How bout images with state of the art resolution? Seriously if you know how to source them, please share. You don’t find it odd that we get 700kB images from a mars rover launched in 2020? We should be able to count the sand particles.

[@paulburket]

@ an image. That mean one? What’s the land area-pixel ratio? A 100 megapixel pic taken 10ft away from my object is unreal definition. That same 100 MP taken from a helicopter is worthless IF surface detail is the goal.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@paulburket Detailed aerial imagery of Antarctica is available at google. Maybe you've heard of google. You still can't count sand particles though, not from space, in those images. Areas that don't have a lot of traffic aren't photographed in as much detail as developed, inhabited areas. Again, we've taken 1.8 billion pixel images of Mars. Far from 700 kB. Educate yourself.

[@brookss2141]

Why not do it? It doesn't hurt unless there is something actually there.

[@Anthony-hu3rj]

"Species like us."

[@edward0922]

I thought you were more serious in your interviews. Hello, Geraldo.

[@Jughead24]

Considering that we are told we went to moon and sent something to mars. Why can't we replicate that? It seems we can just get things into orbit. Is there any place mankind has been and the just left never to return? North pole? Antartica? Etc. If we go somewhere, we stay.

[@damyr]

We can replicate, and we are doing it right now, with Artemis missions. The reason we never came back to the moon is that we never had a really good reason to justify the cost. Now, the moon will become our training ground for future Mars missions.

[@Jughead24]

@damyr when do you suppose these missions will get onto the moon?

[@damyr]

@@Jughead24 In 2026. and 2027. Look up Artemis program for more info.

[@adamgoudy]

Hold up! My brother had the best idea. NASA says they lost the tech. We could go to the Smithsonian and get the aluminum foil box, and go back, right? 😂. I never believed we went, but when I saw the lander…I knew we had never really been.

[@damyr]

@@adamgoudy You've misunderstood the whole concept. "Tech" is not only about building materials, it's about the way of production, about procedures and about tons of other details. NASA lost the tech in the same way as modern industry "lost" the tech from 1960es. For example, go to a modern car factory and ask if they could produce exactly the same car model which they've produced in 1960es. With modern production facilities, which are automatized and adjusted to modern standards, that simply wouldn't be possible. In order to do that, they should build a whole another facility, from the scratch, then rebuild production technology from 1960es and adjust it accordingly. As you can imagine, that wouldn't be economically viable, and it definitely wouldn't be an easy task. Many things, including technology, people and resources, which they've used in 1960es, are now long forgotten. Btw, whatever you may think about the lunar module and technology they've used for the moon missions, you should be aware that you're not a rocket scientist, nor a space ship engineer, so you realistically can't imagine what exactly is needed to get there. Rather try to be more honest toward yourself and toward others, and try to learn things... Let that be your goal for 2025. Happy New Year, mister.

[@inkaddo]

I have a different definition for gardening

[@nick_kush]

i hate to be a wet towel on this but... literally every single life form we've ever found has turned out to be related to each other and to us. further, it is fairly obviously that life can and has spontaneously form here on earth. there is no reason to look for other planets in the goldilocks zone, we have one, it's earth and as far as we can tell life has only genesised here once. the and as i just mentioned, all the life that came from that one time is related. it's time we seriously ponder the fact that we could actually be alone.

[@anchorpoint5871]

Anyone bothering to look for it will find out that the moon and Mars are full of ruins and life .

[@bbouchan1]

The size of the Universe is way beyond our comprehension & the chances of any alien life coming to our solar system are virtually zero.

[@martinwolfright3183]

Alien Hunter on KZbin has the Structures on the Moon 🌙 Covered

[@syruppulse8246]

yeah

[@heatvisuals]

i think those calculations are a little off.

[@mikereilly2745]

Great ideas are finally getting some attention , Lets increase the momentum , Millions of people would be happy to participate like seti at home did.

[@1920WasAMistake]

It’s actually from our last great civilization on earth.

[@kimble0602]

Who said its "Not queerer than we know ,it's Queerer than we can know "

[@Design_no]

So say we all.

[@davidjacobs8558]

Please interview "Tony Rodrigues" read his book "Ceres Colony Cavalier" Yes, there is bases on Moon, and also Mars. There is Space Nazi colony on Ceres.

[@beastmaster6943]

everyone knows that the moon is fake

[@adamgoudy]

Our best science, in 2024, can get humans to low earth orbit. That’s as far as we can go. Think about it for a minute.

[@ChocoLater1]

If you are a believer you believe anything that could be labelled as "Government secrets". Even if it's a complete bullshit.

[@Alienbreed2010]

Yep there are bases on the moon also artifacts that are not that old

[@sjs928]

OK , soooo , if governments have the satellite capability to read a license plate from space , why can’t they task those to focus on the Apollo landing site where we “ supposedly “ planted the flag and left part of the lunar lander ?

[@zachwest1741]

Satellites from Earth= 200 miles. Satellites from the moon= 250,000 miles. Took me 30 seconds of research to show your logic isn’t there. But let me guess, I’m some deep undercover government blah blah blah

[@user-245er4ud]

Even if the gov could, they don't want to. They are harboring alien craft and EBEN and are keeping it from the public. It will be made public in about 2 years.

[@ThatBoomerDude56]

Do the math yourself. Even our most powerful Earth based telescope couldn't possibly see something the size of the Apollo equipment all the way from Earth. But the Apollo equipment HAS been photographed by MULTIPLE countries from lunar orbit. Also: There is NO WAY you will respond to my comment. Your kind is totally afraid to actually understand the subject.

[@sjs928]

@ … it’s been photographed ? By who and when … where is the proof ? Maybe YOU CANNOT ANSWER these simple questions

[@sjs928]

@ … I’m from Missouri , “ SHOW ME “ state

[@Metal_666]

Will he stick to the men in black look when he's rogan level bald? Only 2025-26 will tell.

[@captainjack--]

This conversation is so one dimensional. Our entire universe could be the atoms of a chubby alien kid's toenail... sorry, continue to look for that alien fork on the moon...

[@Woozlewuzzleable]

Let me know when you find an aliens cell phone.

[@Antifuzz1]

Nokia 3310, some say its at 80% battery life

[@angelinaBABY702]

This dude is so Bias it’s frustrating talking about other life in the universe for some reason he’s set in there’s nothing but us 🙄🙄🙄looks like Lex gets a lil annoyed as well !!!!

[@christoforos4126]

There's no way that tin foil box left earth, landed on the moon, then came all the way back to earth, and no one died.

[@MrJackal43]

Huh, we’ve found things on the Moon. We were kicked off during Apollo 17 and the program was canceled immediately, despite being fully funded and equipped. Only a few know, and they are dying off every day…

[@michaellapalice3068]

Once again they never found anything on the Moon or Mars that would indicate prior visitors , nothing nada zilch .

[@billkramer2994]

Fridman always tries to sound intelligent to try and justify his job interviewing smart people! He fails! Sounds like he's half asleep!

[@shakhster8382]

This guy has made a whole academic topic out of something that doesn’t exist

[@simrans3675]

Good for him - he is making money from it ;-))

[@havok93]

😂😂😂

[@jaimebergner]

This guest is a bit of a loon. They have yet to find life period outside of Earth. And intelligent life took billions of years developing on Earth. I am very doubtful that alien life is common, with intelligent life even less likely.

[@omegaplumbing]

We never step foot on the moon.

[@Der_Beobachter_Edelweiss7X7X7]

Click bait.