Finding the Best ARPG Ever Made: Borderlands

Borderlands is a little on the edge of the ARPG genre, but that's close enough for me. It helps that I'm dumb and am stretching the truth. But there's a lot of fun to be had playing the Borderlands series, and through it's dynamic and very different gameplay, could it be possible that Borderlands 1 is the Best ARPG Ever Made? There's literally zero percent chance, but hey I wou.
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[@void_9216]

I’m surprised there aren’t more games like borderlands, the game really feels like Diablo but as an fps and no other “looter shooter” has that same feeling. Most other looter shooters take a more mmo approach to the game where as borderlands is more so a single player game that happens to have multiplayer. Makes me wish for more games like it.

[@1njustice]

Played Outriders? It has it's flaws but to me that and the Borderlands series are the only two that feel similar to Diablo but as a shooter :)

[@TheSilv3r]

If I could get Borderlands with the procedural generated maps of Diablo as well and I would be wayyyyy more hooked. I love the series but they're a single playthrough experience for me.

[@bravepotatoe7513]

@@TheSilv3r yeah same I pretty much instantly get bored in ng+ first playtrough is a lot of fun tough

[@boogit9979]

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[@sergioq94]

Division 2 is way more rpg than any of the other looter shooters, and even more, Diablo 4 is taking its approach to open world and so division 2 and Diablo 4 are the most related games of both genres

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[@seer6251]

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[@bilskibrandon]

Tbh Borderlands 1,2 , and Pre Sequel are fantastic. Got me into the arpg like titans quest and such. Like after loving the game loop of Borderlands I learned that other games do that.....mannnnn love that shit

[@bilskibrandon]

@Charles Hastings they poured all their time into Borderlands 3 the shitstain of gaming

[@paulman34340]

@@bilskibrandon The one negative thing I'll say about B3 is that it DID do some interesting things I LIKE and the reason I willingly replay the game! And that's gameplay, Skill Trees and being able to CHANGE my Action Skill to further expand how a character plays! Those I liked along with some of the guns functioning changing! I liked Maliwan and Dahl because of the ability to change the Guns functions with the press of a Button! But I REALLY started to noticed their OBSESSION with trying to get you more involved in the story then you WISH! I can take hearing Incoming transmissions as I'm moving forward, but to FORCE ME into a "interactive cutscene" with no ability to skip got VERY annoying! It was minor and not that bad in B2, but GOD DAMN did it get worse in B3! Story was flip flop to me and I'll say I liked the DLC stories LARGELY because it wasn't about OTHER PEOPLE WHILE I GOT THE SIDE KICK ROLE which is what I hated the most in B3 main story (Love to tell the writers those HACKS that Lilith's and Maya's story ENDED back in B1 & B2 and this is the B3 CASTS story! But Ava kept fucking intruding when I DIDN'T WANT HER THERE! I mean even the twins for their flaws treated Ava like a NOTHING character and focused EXCLUSIVELY on you so that's a plus I'll give them of their flaws. Seriously would be nice if they game allowed me to STRAIGHT UP SKIP the interactive Cutscene crap and GET ON WITH IT in the story as let's be real, when one of these comes up I'm usually playing Fire Emblem Fates on my 3DS or Switch so I'm playing that for abit till the scene ENDS which is WHY I LOATHE the "walk with me" ones which exist simply cause the writer wants to ASSURE my ass is paying attention to their mess of a Story! And I'm not a FAN of this! Hell even when I LIKE THE LINES, I think it would have been better to make that a CUTSCENE PERIOD so then I can SKIP if I wish or not! This is largely because if I SAW the cutscene before, I'm not going to be INCLINE to be forced to see it again! So a IMMERSIVE option that SEEMED nice in the first run, now becomes HATED for interrupting the FLOW of gameplay! At least it got me to pay out my ass for Multiplayer, cause the NOOBS will "walk and interact" while I just wait at the exit playing my 3DS/Switch or working on my Laptop till THEY move on! Let them be my SLAVE and interact with the cutscenes that should have been SKIPABLE I do feel they got COCKY with the story they made and thought they were fucking SHAKESPEARE or something! It's why I find myself having the LESS urge to repeat B3 compared to the other games in the series

[@rumncoke76]

The divide between something like Witcher 3 and Grim Dawn has always been super fascinating, but the differences between the two ARPGs ive picked up are: • in one you have moveset-based combat, in the other you basically fight with skills • in one you upgrade gear to get stronger, in the other you collect new gear • one is often more narrarive focused and the other is...not really • in one you hold on to and upgrade your stuff, in the other you find new stuff to replace the old Basically the Zeldas of the world are more action-adventure, and the Diablos are more RPG in the traditional sense

[@Scrimbo420]

I remember grinding for so long in that game to get all the pearl guns. That anarchy Serpens was the greatest weapon in any game I’ve played.

[@nikeonnk]

I play all borderlands for about 10+years now and only found my first pearl on bl1 last year. I dont how unlucky i am but im taking that small victory.

[@sarahh08]

dude hasnt gotten a bessie

[@cassianosntg]

This series is amazing. This is hands down my favorite YT channel currently. You, sir, deserves way more attention.

[@jacksonx7251]

I guess you could say that this game is on the borderland of being an ARPG...

[@skiddydiddy411]

I'm not even an arpg guy, I've never played a diablo or anything but god damnit im still bingeing this whole series anyways because damn is it fun to just listen to. Dont ever stop making videos

[@JohnSmith-se7pp]

This game is my favorite borderlands. I know it has flaws, but what works really clicks for me. I like that it's video gamey and most story is done through text so if I start a new playthrough I can make a good amount of progress in like 2 hours unlike some of the sequels. Also I like the tone more too. I'm also a huge fan of the loot. I look at whites and greens in this game and legendary gear feels so unique and are so far in between but in a good way. Oh oops I forgot to mention I played this when it dropped when I was ten so I'm borderlands 1's nostalgia bitch

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Seer you give me such cheer this holiday year thank you so much for being here

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That's incredibly kind of you to say, while rhyming no less! Thank you for being here!

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Heck yeah! Seer is here, for the last part of the year! Hope he brings the Christmas cheer! Merry Christmas Seer, thanks for the awesome content all year round + those fire streams

[@fabioc.9682]

I love how your analyses are always simultaneously chaotic and spot on. every single video you put out is awesome! I even rewatch some of them hahah keep it up my dude. (this series is the best thing on yt)

[@Roanin50]

Excited you decided to include borderlands kinda opens the door to some of my favorite arpgs. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@WildFungus]

I would never question this game being included in the contenders but only because of the loot.

[@GreenAmaryllis]

I was looking for a grim dawn review and since then I've been addicted to your chanel, watching every new video!

[@seer6251]

Thank you so much! I'm glad you're sticking around, and I hope you continue to enjoy!

[@nempatriarch]

Hell yeah man, great video and perfect for pre Christmas downtime. Happy holidays

[@6Flesh6Feast6]

I was just playing Borderlands 2 an hour before you uploaded this. Your vids rock.

[@S4BRETOOTH]

By this definition, you should also play The Division 1 and 2, Outriders, and Warframe. And what about the Fallout series? Man, this video/definition opened Pandora's box, godspeed with this behemoth of a task.

[@RaginKavu]

Around 2:40 The first major PC Looter-Shooter was in fact Hellgate:London, from 2007. At the time it was the closest we would get to a Diablo 3, as it was made by people who had left Blizzard. A pity it got killed by a monetisation that wouldn't be out of place today, but was a tad early when it got launched. It was made PC only, when Borderlands was found across multiple platforms, and many other mismanagements from the Devs. As for Strife, yeah that was really nice. Uprising 2: Lead and Destroy had base building elements like an RTS, but could be played either 1st or 3rd person, as you control a hovertank that could be have stats upgrades and different weapons equipped to it between missions. As for the bases you've built, they'd produce units like tanks, infantry or airships, that you could summon during battle to help you.

[@1njustice]

Was looking for this comment. RIP Hellgate: London

[@theblobconsumes4859]

@@1njustice Hellgate London is still around via private servers, which work rather well. And there's a multitude of ways of playing it singleplayer as well. Just don't use the Steam version.

[@Agon1stt]

I just discovered your channel like a few days ago and been watching the diablo 2 videos, man you're a super underrated content creator and very funny as well been binging your stuff! Subbed

[@jordanazerad123]

I literally always stop what im doing to watch one of these arpg videos, great stuff seer

[@Adallok]

The sims music lmao Great vid m8 and have a wonderfull day!

[@WoddahMaloneGaming]

Not sure how I accidentally caught your channel but im now binging all the ARPG's for good recommendations. Looking forward to more videos theyre super entertaining mate!

[@AC-hj9tv]

This guy fucking rules lol

[@frodolives6021]

Bro i love you. Merry christmas and happy everything. Editing is on point bratha!

[@gilian2587]

Borderlands absolutely belongs in this series. It has become it's own genre -- the looter shooter; but the looter shooter's DNA absolutely came from the roguelike, ARPG.

[@OMGpandemic]

Wake up babe, new Seer upload!

[@prestoncram7507]

If you’re doing non-isometric games, I’d love to hear your take on Kingdoms of Amalur

[@Robinator1103]

Thanks for the video. Another dope on as always.

[@SerechII]

Ayy I love Borderlands 2, never was able to go back to BL1 after playing so much of the sequel, I was deep in it, doing the raidbosses alone and having BiS builds for my one character, I wonder if Seer is a Zer0 enjoyer too

[@bonchachan6061]

Yeah, Borderlands 2 improves almost everything from Borderlands 1. I think elemental mechanics is the only thing BL2 does worse

[@SerechII]

@@bonchachan6061 what would you say bl1 did better about it? I've heard slag criticized a lot because it's a must late game but other than that I never really cared too much about elements, maybe cause of the classes I played and maybe that's an argument in and of itself

[@bonchachan6061]

​@@SerechII in BL1 the elemental mechanics were more complex and interesting. Elemental guns would deal normal non-elemental damage with additional elemental effects that would apply damage-over-time, splash, vulnerability for corrosion, stun for shock, explosive dealt big damage on crits. Non-elemental guns simply dealt much bigger damage from bullets and were better for killing enemies fast or shooting crits. Those were things you could base gameplay around. In BL2 they simplified it making elemental guns deal only elemental damage on all their bullets. As the result you would always use fire weapons against flesh enemies, corrosive weapons against armoured enemies, shock weapons against... there are no enemies with shields big enough to care about using shock in BL2, you don't use shock in BL2, and you never have a reason to use non-elemental weapons, they're trash compared to fire or corrosion, explosion is essentialy the same thing as non-elemental in BL2 but it comes on splash weapons. The exception are Jakobs and Torgue guns which are only non-elemental but they're good despite being non-elemental because their stats are incredibly good. And then comes slag, the worst addition in BL2. The element that makes slagged enemies take 3 times more damage which is so huge that you will always carry slag gun that you will tap enemies with for no damage just to apply the effect before switching to an actual gun, such a ridiculous mechanic. Slag itself deals even less damage that non-elemental guns so you only care about chance to apply slag which makes the majority of slag guns trash compared to slag maliwan snipers, pistols and some unique guns that have the best chance to apply slag. And also slag does not scale with levels at all, you might find a lvl 10 maliwan slag sniper and use it on lvl 80 just as fine as a lvl 80 sniper. That kind of sums it up

[@SerechII]

@@bonchachan6061 yeah, I totally played the bl2 part just like you described, my fire weapon, my corrosive weapon and a unique smg for slag, I didn't quite think it was terrible but I didn't know any better either, I guess that's why I always ended up playing Zer0 where you kinda skip that part and either look for really cool melee weapons and shields or snipe everything in a map and feel really cool about it, both styles have extremely satisfying gameplay loops that kinda bypass that weakness of the game

[@AC-hj9tv]

@@SerechII slag is funny in the UK

[@Skorpioartex]

Didn't expect you to cover borderlands in this series but I ain't complaining. Really curious how you will feel about bl2 vs bl3. Can't wait for your next video, thanks for another banger funny script man.

[@zach3169]

Love these videos! It's a bit smaller, but you should check out Chronicon if you weren't already planning on it. Its really good

[@aquagrunty101]

The way the Monkey screeching accompanied each line of text for your definition of ARPG had me laughing so hard I had to pause. So appropriate

[@TrueKivan]

double anarchy siren goes brrr, that's all I remember from 2009 but I will never forget it

[@BreadCatMarcus]

Editing on point once again, Seer brodeer.

[@seer6251]

Thank you!

[@BreadCatMarcus]

@@seer6251 Of course, brotha!

[@nodieza]

You don't have to explain yourself to us Seer 🧡 Happy Holidays! Thanks for the laughs and the good times.

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very welcome xmas present from you, seer. im not even kidding

[@MrAntifreezer]

Bees do not have knees but they do have balls

[@user-jt6rm9jq5q]

These game reviews make my day! Great content good sir!!!! F it, borderlands!

[@NikolaPj]

I recently discovered your channel, and have been binge watching since. Love your humour! #NoHomo

[@NightSire]

Man's opened up Pandora's Box (no pun intended) with the addition of these games

[@stanbuck7]

Can't wait for you to discover the Deathspank series.

[@PhantomHalf]

straight up the borderlands loot chest has been the only chest that activates the lizard part of my brain.

[@adamkierstein4895]

Happy holidays Seer!

[@seer6251]

Same to you! Thank you!

[@mothernature521]

The unknown game Nox when?! Fantastic fucking video series!!

[@bopeswiththemost4415]

Hellgate London was the first modern looter shooter I really enjoyed. Buggy as hell at launch but it was better near the end. I still have it installed with the community patch and fixes.

[@christophersanders7877]

borderlands is 100% a loot based ARPG a kin to diablo, and the further you get into the series the more closer it gets to depth of a traditional ARPG (BL3, Wonderlands with the most variety). I personally never understood why people got so upset about its inclusion in the genre, just like I how would include HellGate:London into the category to and that was the Diablo devs (David Brevik) game after D2 (which unfortunately failed). For me, regardless of the perspective, if a game focuses on RNG based loot drops/acquisition (not static drops like souls games), build variety, skill trees with active/passive skills, leveling and leveled enemies and is largely a solo/co-op experience, then it is in the camp of Diablo as far as I'm concerned. I would also include games like Nioh 1-2 (not "souls-like" games), GodFall, Outriders, FF:Strangers of Paradise, because all of those games have a focus on RNG loot drops, stats, farming, and build variety, to tackle "endgame" content...etc. Games I would not personally include would be games like Division 1-2, Destiny 1-2, and other similar games because they are closer to MMO-lite experiences with a more focus on social interaction and multiplayer raid style content over traditional single player/co-op loot'em shoot'em style, where your progression is your own and not dictated by grouping up with others to get the best gear. This is just my opinion of course. Also I love this series, as the APRG genre is my favorite out of all of them.

[@theblobconsumes4859]

Destiny's MMO elements are rather light. I don't feel like that makes it any less of an ARPG, just one which is a hybrid. The Division, however, I do feel tips the balance closer to shooter than ARPG. At least the second one, which was for the better there.

[@Ceielo]

All these great videos, and only 38K subs... Holy shit dude. I just came from the Torchlight videos because I loved them and was looking for a video to show my friends what the second game was like. About to binge this channel now. Also, what happens when we die in Borderlands? I want to try this and the second game very soon.

[@blackvenom530]

My best memories of video game looting come from this game, lol those red chests really are exciting for some reason.

[@renhansen1246]

Merry xmas Seer, you champion, you myth, you legend!

[@Hrungni]

Makes me wonder... Will we see Hellgate: London from Seer one day through some eldritch fuckery? Or Outriders, another looter shooter.

[@seer6251]

Both on my ol' list. 😫

[@theblobconsumes4859]

Hellgate London is definitely just an ARPG at a pretty obvious extent. Not even at the fringes. Great game.

[@ricksticksgaming]

Nice video Seer 👍

[@Moto_Birps]

hell ya new seer video!

[@k1rkpad]

Bang on review. This game is like a Randy Pitchford PTSD whiplash simulator. No Man's Sky levels of lies and deception from Randy. First playthrough, great. Second one.... Uhhhh where are my randomly generated enemies, world, and guns (yes he actually said all this before launch)? Lied about what kind of gun types could appear, like a crazy gun you could just point long enough and it would cause spontaneous combustion, shotguns that shoot homing rockets, etc etc etc

[@theblobconsumes4859]

Given the game's development cycle, maybe all of those things were there to an extent. And hints of that are found in later entries, specifically the randomly generated guns...Though a husk of that promise, really.

[@Thegiggleofsteel]

Love your stuff:D Can't wait for Destiny! This series makes me even sadder that Marvel Heroes Omega was shut down, that was an awesome ARPG, wonder if you played it back when it was allowed? But either way, I'm always excited to see your vids!

[@DrBananananananananananananana]

Oi I don't know who you are or where ya came from but I like the cut of your jib. K random Seer guy you just got a new sub. Also you sure your not Avgn? sounds familiar.

[@swapnilkarmakar7473]

I'd love it if you checked out the division games as well. They do have levels, loot, superbosses, roaming bosses, the whole package. I really like those games, but I've rarely seen anyone talk about them in a critical sense.

[@theblobconsumes4859]

I would love to see an analysis of The Division 1 as an ARPG. To me, the first game fails at that and it spills over into its shooter design, although there's still quality to be found. I prefer 2, even if I personally feel like it's best enjoyed as a shooter with RPG elements rather than an ARPG.

[@galettesanstomate]

The humour is top-tier my guy

[@a.grimes4202]

When you break down each and every weapon by the number of possible prefixes and combinations of parts (stock, body, grip, scope, etc.), yes, there really is around 17.5M different weapon variations. And I don’t blame you for not knowing what a unique is. You see, you can tell one apart from the average blue rarity weapon/item by looking at its information card. If it has red “flavor” text, that means its a unique, and while it’s often far from obvious what it is, the red “flavor” text hints at a special effect or feature the weapon/item has. I hope my explanation helps. *😊*

[@junk3996]

borderlands still has the greatest DLC i've never known or experienced with "the secret armory of general knoxx"

[@ZJtraylor]

One of my favorite games ever. I fuckin love you Seer

[@AnimooBobba]

Love @ 03:47, a list in three different fonts. The constant stunting in these videos is why I keep coming back.

[@alternator7893]

Dude, I just bought Borderlands the Handsome collection an hour ago and I just got this video on my recommendations, PERFECT timing 👌.

[@tech6294]

LOVE your content! 🤣

[@McMollet]

Once again, demanding Champions of Norrath's entry into this series as best arpg EVER

[@Erdie5]

Really? I mean, I liked the game plenty, but best ever? I guess I wouldn't go that far...

[@McMollet]

@@Erdie5 I mean champions of Norrath and return to arms probably aren't actually the best ever, but they're the ones I enjoyed the most and would love to see covered in the series either way

[@Mozgodrobil]

Hey there, loved the video, but just wanted to make an argument that looking at the game from just the vanilla stand point might not be the best idea, considering for how long it's been out and many DLCs that have been released since, that add a lot of replayability and farming spots/things to do, like actually fun bosses and shiet. Was just weird for me to watch your argument about the farming being tied to basically checking couple of red chests and a vending machine, while all I remember Borderlands farming for were glitching General Knoxx's Armory runs and da Crab boss, ahh good memories.

[@Lonewanderer1738]

I loved the way the guns were presented in the stat screen with the claptrap I use to draw them all the time as a kid and I was sad they did away with it overall the second game was my favorite but there was always a little resentment that they got rid of the claptrap 😂

[@lmaoxc9235]

nice video dude

[@debmitt2410]

The way they come up with the millions of guns is that each gun has like 5 parts that can be from different manufacturers so each variation has slight stat difference

[@78supergood]

Seer pretty much future proofed his channel with this series

[@kevynhansyn2902]

Borderlands? People tend to forget that "Hellgate London" existed and it was fun as hell

[@bignov5173]

Let’s not overlook the beginning of the video where Seer absolutely nailed the average youtube commenter’s profile pic.

[@siberio147]

So now that we expanded the ARPG definition, Hellgate London review when? I think it could fit the theme pretty nicely

[@dinguschantheii2165]

Oh boy this is gonna be good

[@jmoconnell]

how dare seer think he has the right to decide what his own content will be

[@TerreiSingularity]

My favorite gun from this franchise is my good old, non reliable Chimera Pistol

[@thesneekione7983]

Seer did Borderlands, it's a Christmas miracle!

[@Sarnahanfi]

Well, now I want to see you play tales of symphonia.. or any other tales of game :)!!

[@sussybussy1]

really opening pandora's box with that definition of arpg's

[@oddeology1259]

I bet you could even write a script for super Mario in an ARPG list and it would still be a funny video to watch. I don't know why, but somehow I seer you make anything work....

[@clueso_]

Maybe you could include the term "isometric" or "top-down view" into your classification of the specific kind of ARPG that you are reviewing. "Isometric view, Action Role Playing Games with a significant focus on character building/customization and loot grinding." or something like that.

[@ncrvako]

i have the original goty and i want it to play it sometime. can it work or will they be any short of issues regarding connectivity?

[@nemergix1707]

wait you'll play some borderlands 2 ? This is a birthday present for me

[@nemergix1707]

actually if you want to play some coop (because the game is best played coop, kind of like diablo) add me

[@bridgemeister6035]

I just found out you put out 2 new videos weeks later, I don't know if it's just me but KZbin didn't recommend these videos at all. Love your work bro!

[@blimblam7]

These videos are so fucking good

[@marekbrandon1065]

I have to one up the suggestion of nightmare reaper for this series iras a mostly procedurallg generated boomer shooter with a tier an rarity system that makes most weapons you find very fun

[@devilleknievel2144]

"But what about dinner?" "Maybe dinner..." "Okay have a sub."

[@alexander-ui5bf]

first of all i happy that i found your chanle u make funny and good content i like that , secondlly dont mind my grammer its 4 am and its dark AF i cant see the keyboards keys , theardlly and most importentlly why i wanted to write to u is beacause i need u to try a game called remnant from the ashes and i do belive it would earn its place as NOT THE BEST but maybe ONE of the best ARPG games , give it a try .

[@novAviator01]

good video btw you got the orange oranger and orangest backwards the better the darker

[@mattsweet2467]

The Division fits in this middleground as well

[@josquinlanglois2554]

oh boy oh boy the best youtuber on the channel is making a video about one of my favorite game oh boy

[@kdebo18]

warhammer 40k inquisitor going to be on your looooooooooooong list of arpgs? i feel your pain! but great content!!

[@austinhearn6111]

Nice video

[@maxmustermann3938]

Now that you have added Borderlands... time for Nioh, Nioh 2, Wo Long, .... XD

[@boomermcboom8609]

Christmas eve video let's go ! Also, who the heck is this joe o'connell guy going batshit in the comment section lmao

[@alexprice7375]

There isn't many many videos on KZbin about the loot in Diablo 1 maybe that's something you can make a video on

[@ducktheripper]

I love this, but you should definitely make a separate series for looter shooters cause there's shit ton of those as well.

[@TheNemkris]

So Dark Souls and Elden Ring is in the race now? Cool

[@KeithVincentmusic]

What I really appreciate is how you managed to make me really feel the brown

[@stultusaur9540]

According to google: " Bees, like all insects, have six sections to their legs: the coxa, trochanter, femur, tibia, metatarsus and tarsus. Each is connected by a joint and the one most like a knee is between the femur and tibia. " What is so good about them I have no idea...