Fine Dust Extraction Efficiency Dyson DC65 Versus Kirby Diamond Edition

Getting rid of a bag (traditional vacuum) has unexpected consequences. Less dirt exits your house due to the complex nature of cyclonic technology.

[@D.Pensak]

“VacLab never stops working to inform & educate.” Fantastic.

[@gena_unknown]

Thank you for this detailed video. I feel like I’m getting advice from my dad. You even have the New Balance sneakers and white socks too!!

[@VacLab]

Yup, Dad all the way. 😁

[@vacuumtests9225]

Again one very detailed and educational video. That's the case. Bagless bin has a lot of spots where the dirt just sticks and remains there and it keeps building up unless you clean it. Another thing is the pre motor filters. They also trap dust and it remains there until you clean them. Another problem with the bagless vacuums is when the pre motor filter gets very dirty. Then it starts to leak and leaked dust goes to the motor.

[@VacLab]

Cant wait for your extended testing when your new scale arrives. 👍

[@pewpewdead6030]

I love when you try something new, great work VacLab!

[@kg5vacuums205]

The more tests you do on Kirbys the more I find out why there expensive. I do prefer bagged vacuum with a outer bag on it.

[@matthewantonucci6751]

Actually, I Prefer Hard-Bag Direct-Air Vacuums Instead With Top-Mounted Slider Power-Switches On The Top-Handle And Top-Front-Mounted Tools And Side-Mounted One's As Well Automatic Side-Mounted Hoses Too

[@drivingmylifeaway7149]

nothing beats a Kirby! had the same one since the 90s. changed a belt is all over the years. still use it Weekly

[@scarra69]

I'm impressed with his powder handling skills.

[@brendanyazzie2774]

our kirby is 20 years old and its pretty much bullet proof. but some plastic and rubber parts do need changing sooner or later

[@timothyfosberg6408]

Good show mate.

[@fracturedmind8124]

I think one thing many consumers don't realize is that if you want your bagless vacuum your keep its suction and performance, you MUST wash the filters and bin, and replace filters regularly. Most infomercials will have the consumer thinking bagless vacuums are maintenance free. They are not. With most bagged vacs, when you replace the bag, the filter is also getting replaced with it. They think "oh I don't want that one I have to buy bags". Well in the long run bags will br cheaper than filters and vacuums with bug bags can go up to 3-4 months without changing the bag. Normally filters should be replaced on bagless every 3 months. But most consumers see bagged machines as the devil, and sometimes, that's just what they'll think no matter what.

[@VacLab]

Great comment, except exchange the word "suction" for "airflow" and you'd be correct. The vast majority of vacuum cleaners actually don't lose suction when they fill up with dirt. They lose airflow. The suction lie was started by Dyson.

[@mikex2347]

Yooo the new balance shoes, high socks, and polo pair with shorts...I dont know if I could trust another man for a vacuum review. This guy is domesticated dad at the highest of levels

[@VacLab]

The New Balance shoes gave it away, eh? 🤣

[@michaelmurray7199]

My mom tells me that she believes these bagless vacuum cleaners we have now clean better than their bagged predecessors. We didn’t use Kirby or Dyson mind you, so I wonder if maybe she was came to believe that based on variables that differ from what you tested here. But like you said, you do have to clean the components of the bagless model occasionally, and our case, we sometimes put the canister parts in the dishwasher. In our experience, the only major drawback we had with the bagged system was that it was sometimes kind of difficult to tell when the bag was completely full or just half full. Of course we did learn how to tell through experience.

[@pdpauldelaney]

Sir, thank you for your informative and interesting video. Keep it up.

[@linksmith1057]

I know that Kirby's can hold onto crap in the power nozzle and the fill tube, but overall, far less crap is held onto in these vacuums and these parts need to be cleaned out... once a year, if that? Meanwhile my bissell, between the poor cyclonic design which I admit Dyson does good at, and the quality of the plastic which practically grabs fine dust, it necessitates being cleaned out at least once every third time it's used roughly? I once used diatomaceous earth (DE) to rid my house of some bugs (for those that don't know, diatomaceous earth is basically *extremely* fine rock powder that kills insects by clogging their ability to breath, but it's totally safe to animals provided they don't huff it too much). I at first tried using the Bissell to clean it up, because frankly I didn't want it clogging one of my filter bags in another vacuum. The powder blew right though the pre-filters, right into the motor housing, and out the exhaust, no separation, nothing. Needless to say, that was *not* the right tool for the job, and it immediately clogged the $16 post motor HEPA filter immediately as the pre-filter did bunk to stop any of the DE. I had to fully tear down the machine to get it to stop smelling like DE, which while not unpleasant, isn't what it's supposed to smell like. In retrospect, using a $2 HEPA bag in my Electrolux would have been a wiser choice. I wouldn't use a Kirby because honestly that fine powder might just get into the front fan bearing and I would rather not replace it.

[@mattjones7621]

I had a Sanyo bagless upright years ago and I tested the filtration in it with Carpet Fresh. Tiny bits of Carpet Fresh particles blew right through the ''HEPA filter'' and landed on the motor housing. That was my first and last bagless vacuum cleaner I have had. All of my vacuums have a bag and get changed during the appropriate time.

[@shantel3780]

The Kirby as a sealed van sealed in with the motor, the Kirby has two fans. That’s one of their parents, a sealed motor with a fan sealed off prevents just what you are talking about, the other fan powers the system, pulling in the dirt and directly into the bag..

[@jamesheina3337]

Kirby's are great machines! I have 3, 2 Sentras and one DE (one I bought new the other 2 where rescues) fixed myself, my sister is hooked on Dyson cordless when she comes this Christmas I am hope to sway her mind to kirby. Since she has a larger house than I do.

[@VacLab]

I wish you good luck with that endevour.

[@jamesheina3337]

@@VacLab thanks in the beginning I was a hoover guy but after owning one that would break every year i went to a sew shop (to have my mother's antique machine repaired) noticed they had kirby vacuums and asked if they where good the man had me sold on one sentria G10 me being a armature mechanic seen how good these machines are built are hooked I managed to rescue 2 more units one Sentra G10 and DE one at my house the other at my mother's and the other at a relative

[@kahootname]

The scales might be a little bit off by when you took out the powder from the dyson, there might be some remnants still in it, and the kirby might be too low, but overall, great video!

[@KirbyEnthusiast]

Awesome i new the Kirby would come out on top Go Kirby , prefer bag system to bag-less. Love the way you turn the bag inside out. I vacuum mine out with the crevis tool to reuse for tests

[@DogHairDontCare]

You can take the dyson canister apart further, but it's incredibly annoying. Holy crap, I hate cleaning it.

[@DeeFrancisPadamadan]

An excellent video. Thanks!

[@Dankcatvacs]

excellent video

[@kiwibeast2162]

The heritage 2 legend sounds quieter than other kirby's.

[@VacLab]

Yes, it is quieter and generally more pleasant sounding.

[@rbesa88]

You can tell who's better the kirby because it has a taller and bigger bag

[@lollubrick]

What was the point of this test? Why didn't you test it by putting the baking soda on that carpet shown earlier in the video and smash it down a bit and then test the 2 devices against each other like that to see real world cleaning comparisons for deeply embedded dirt?

[@VacLab]

The "why" is explained in the video.

[@krystalshocked]

THE ULTIMATE G IS THE BEST. I WILL NEVER USE ANYTHING ELSE

[@krystalshocked]

Me too

[@Vacuum-kid]

If this was me I would change the bag instead of blowing it out several times , sounds silly to me , otherwise great video

[@VacLab]

Too bad you fundamentally misunderstand the confines of this test. Re-watch and listen very carefully for my painfully long, but acurrate explanation of the initial conditions. Only then will you understand why a used bag was featured for this precise testing methodology.

[@tonij4073]

Sick

[@milesfifer171]

If you take care of your kirby it will last you your lifetime. If you can't afford a new one theirs always nice used ones for sale get a used one very cheap do a thorough cleaning on it and you'll have a very nice vacuum that will last a lifetime

[@VacLab]

I grabbed this Diamond Edition for less than $10. Needed cleaning and polishing.

[@kiradomochi4961]

@@VacLabdayum nice find

[@ilrimpianto]

Hi there. Bag or bagless upright for you? Which one do ypu prefer?

[@VacLab]

High airflow machines perform the best, which means bagged.

[@ilrimpianto]

@@VacLab I also prefer bagged machines

[@shantel3780]

When hour Kirby bag is full you need to replace it. These tests are truly not probably Kirby use.

[@VacLab]

False and Kirby knows it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oauzh4iJps5mibs Kirby didn't even fully switch to disposable bags until the 1980's. Sanitaire still sells machines that use "shakeout" bags.

[@shantel3780]

And rewatching the video the way the height adjustment is being used on hard surfaces, isn’t exactly correct.. I do however understand this test. But not exactly. The true Kirby helps bag has gone through several test it puts out .003 microns of particles back in the air.

[@VacLab]

The height adjustment was exactly correct for both machines. How did you manage to miss that fact that there was zero dust remaining on the floor? And this was an extraction test that measured how much dirt you can get out of your house. Where did the figure of ".003" micron come from? The HEPA spec is 99.97% down to 0.3 microns. There is no mention of ".003" anywhere. Google it.

[@EvanJS2005]

The Kirby got beat most of the dust for the Dyson is in the cyclone

[@VacLab]

Ummm, you mean the Kirby won, right? 98% is better than 92%.

[@Michael-hz2pl]

@EvanJS2005 The dust remaining in the cyclone is a bad thing..... why? Because that remaining dust will eventually make its way to the filters and cause airflow and suction to dwindle down. In a bagged vacuum, all you have to do to restore airflow and suction is toss the full vacuum bag and replace it with a new one. In a bagless vacuum, you have to empty the bin, clean every inch of the ENTIRE vacuum (inside and out), and wash the filters after each use... which typically requires a 24 hour dry time. This is stuff they don’t tell you on those infomercials you got your horrific logic from🖤

[@EvanJS2005]

Michael bud I own a Miele u1 I never said bagged vacuums are worse and dust in a cyclone is perfectly fine unless it gets clogged up but there are issues with bagged vacuums too there another expense and sometimes he user doesn’t fit the bag right and dust ends up getting into the motor which kills it or Damages it me personally think that Dyson cinetic was a failure but it was a step in the right direction except it had no pre motor filter so dust would get in the motor and kill it so I think personally that if you like bagless get bagless if you want bagged get bagged it’s your choice