Finland's war against fake news starts from a young age

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@LadySnowfaerie 3 ай бұрын

I'm Finnish, and though these books were't around when I was school age, the idea of thinking critically about what you see and hear very much was. The teacher I remember learning the most from was a notoriously strict old man in my high school. Everyone was afraid of his classes, but once I'd ended up in one by chance, I took all the rest of my Finnish classes with him. He had super high standards, but he taught me so much about the significance of word choice, implication, context, and subtext. Later, uni taught me how to evaluate my sources, to realise when something sounded too good to be true, and to know how to recognise suspicious statistics. I still make mistakes, like everyone, but here's the basics of what I've figured so far: when you come across new information, stop and think. How does it make you feel? Why? What premises is the author treating as given, even if they're not stating them aloud? Do the word choices feel loaded in any way? Is it confirming your biases or going against them? If any of these answers feel suspicious to you, and it is important to get it right, start digging. Who wrote this? Who are they affiliated with? Who funded this publication? Who published it, and does that platform have a known bias? But yeah, always stop and think, especially if something makes you feel angry or afraid. Chances are somebody is trying to manipulate you, and that is suspicious.

@MultiNike79 3 ай бұрын

Think about the fact that your belief in critical perception can be an imposed idea. If you are sure that you are adequate, but in fact you are inadequate, then you will not be able to correct your behavior. Approximately the same as if you are told from childhood that you are good because you are democratic - then it does not matter whether you are actually good, and what is good in democracy, and what your neighbors, from whom you shoot unarmed people, think about it. I have lived in many regions of the planet, and have experienced many different difficult events, and I want to say that there are almost no adequate people in Europe: it is difficult to do this in the conditions of total lies and harsh propaganda. It is quite sad that when Russia defeated the Third EU, they carried out a denazification program (destruction of this culture of lies), but only in eastern Germany. But it was necessary throughout Europe. If we talk about Finland, Stalin forced it to be friends with Russia and ban Nazism and fascism, which led to the development of the country. But it is clear that now all the old evil has returned in full and Finland has again returned to the status it had under Hitler.

@LadySnowfaerie 3 ай бұрын

@@MultiNike79 Oh, always question your own preconceptions, too. However, do you have any evidence for shooting anyone, unarmed or not? That is quite the claim to make out of the blue. Also, yes, Finland was on the wrong (Nazi) side of WWII, but I believe that is why we had a separate war against Nazis in Lapland to chase them out (my grandmother remembers it, she was a war refugee at the time and told us stories of spending the winter in temporary housing in northern Sweden, how the Nazis burned her home town as they retreated, leaving just the chimnies standing, and how it was rebuilt after they returned), paid war reparations, disbanded the right-leaning militias after the war, and had a comission from USSR watching us to make sure we fully complied with the terms of that peace. None of this is a secret, and some of the things that our government did during that war are a shame we will have to remember for a long time to come. I do still need proof if you are claiming new crimes in recent memory.

@MultiNike79 3 ай бұрын

@@LadySnowfaerie I lived in the USSR, Russia in the 90s, 2000s (three different countries with different systems), many years in a number of countries in Europe and Asia. I am 40+ years old and have 7 children, I am engaged in science and a number of very complex things. I know very well what propaganda is and how to clear your brain of it. If we talk about the shooting of an unarmed negotiator - there is a video about this published by a Finnish citizen (Harri Väisänen). "Finland was on the wrong" Finland has strictly two historical states: to be under the influence of Russia - an economically developed peaceful country, and to be a poor Nazi under the influence of European ones. Now Finland is not controlled by Russia, so you will quickly become poorer and angrier until Russia returns. "None of this" Modern propaganda and the educational system sharply distort historical reality. I am scared to watch this, I did not expect to see a Nazi invasion like Hitler's in the 21st century - but it turned out that history can repeat itself completely. War crimes on the level of Hitler's from Europe are the norm right now. Remember Bucha, where Ukrainian Nazis shot all civilians who received humanitarian aid. Although there are direct records from the Nazis themselves with these shootings, and there are expert testimony that most civilians were killed by Ukrainian artillery - Western propaganda made it look like it was Russia. I had a Ukrainian friend there, she is now in Russia.

@LadySnowfaerie 3 ай бұрын

@@MultiNike79 @MultiNike79 эдравствуйте! ^^ Very complex things, huh? I looked and though I found a Harri Väisänen (if you mean the volunteer who fought in Ukraine?), at least that quote did not come up with a video of any kind. Honestly, Finland has always done a balancing act between east and west, but first and foremost we'd like to be left alone. We do not want or need Russia to come here and tell us how to live, we saw how that went for Estonians after WWII. From what I can see of the society around me with my own eyes, we are doing all right. Your talking points sound very familarly pro-Russian, and I suspect you are not arguing in good faith. Therefore I believe we are done here, but добрый вечер и хорожей осени!

@LadySnowfaerie 3 ай бұрын

Fascinating. I wrote a reply and it was deleted. Curious, curious. To summarise, then: I tried to look up the video you mentioned, and at least those search terms did not come up with anything. Furthermore, the Finland I see around me as I travel domestically is both peaceful and relatively well-off. I don't see this poverty and instability you speak of. Historically Russia coming here has not led to success, and we have the famine graves to prove it. We also saw how it went for Estonia after WWII. I have to believe the evidence of my own eyes over the suspiciously pro-Russian comments under a random youtube video. I wish you a good evening, though, and a nice autumn!

@JojoJoget 3 ай бұрын

Meanwhile Singaporeans are taught to be servile to state news from young regardless of whether its fake news or not

@sampohonkala4195 3 ай бұрын

This issue has been understood for a very kong time in Finland, and there is an old joke about it (newspaper names may vary): Porvoo News: "Careless worker caused an expensive machine break in the factory and caused an accident" The People of Porvoo: "Capitalist greed ripped a worker in half in a factory causing death of a comrade." Swedish speaking Borgåbladet: "Man dog i Borgå (Man died in Porvoo)."

@johntwohy8337 3 ай бұрын

Consumer trust in the media has indeed been eroding.

@happymelon7129 3 ай бұрын

Editor’s note: The “1.6 billion anti-China fund” refers to a recent U.S. congressional decision to allocate over $1.6 billion in public funds to counter what it describes as “malign Chinese influence” globally. This fund is part of the H.R.1157 bill passed in September 2023. The legislation allows for the deployment of these funds until 2027 to support activities(propagandas) that push back against China’s global influence, particularly in media and civil society sectors worldwide.

@htahtoo8851 3 ай бұрын

We all know what led to the decline of newspaper readership.

@WaynoGur 3 ай бұрын

We desperately need this in the United States. We were taught basic media literacy in school, but not in depth. Skills I have honed over time.

@skydvdan 3 ай бұрын

How was basic media literacy taught in the US…. ever?

@jamestk656 3 ай бұрын

My school taught me similar lessons when I was a kid in pre-internet times but it was about "yellow journalism" and how to spot it. Back then it was about telling the difference between good journalistic headlines and content vs sensationalist tabloid content and good sources vs bad sources. I don't know why they don't teach that anymore (or maybe my school was different) but I'm glad some schools are teaching the modern equivalent.

@MultiNike79 3 ай бұрын

As far as we can see from Russia, in Europe lies have been elevated to the absolute, and truth is absolutely forbidden under penalty of criminal prosecution. Hence the absurd rewriting of history, your chronic aggressiveness and bloody chauvinism. However, having lived in Europe, I have seen that there is practically no opposition to these phenomena, or they are deliberately marginalized. The absurdity of your calmly using unlimited lies and considering genocide the norm - I see it precisely in children's upbringing. It is clear that European culture should be replaced by Russian, as much more progressive - this will stop wars and improve economic development.

@SK-lt1so 3 ай бұрын

"Because Strait Times does not lie😊"

@tanpengjoo7205 3 ай бұрын

Good move and good example, all young people should ban from internet, they no need internet to grow up, what they need are parents good value guidances not just get dangerous misleading garbage from the internet and get tangle in the net unnecessarily causing unforeseen outfome and disaster

@tanpengjoo7205 3 ай бұрын

Internet are the modern most misleading liars , internet can be disastrous when trapped.

@tanpengjoo7205 3 ай бұрын

Finnish beautiful country should not be carried away by flooding of garbage from internet that drown their young generations future.

@babygillie 3 ай бұрын

If Finnish media goes paperless they might be rewarded. Most other media companies have gone to apps or online.

@Catapultetertles 3 ай бұрын

And against fake profiles. I was robbed in a commit fraud of finnish cyber delinquents in facebook market place involving $500,000 colombian money.

@eerotabell1952 3 ай бұрын

Are they interested of mainstream media and Orwellian ministry of truth there?

@liarliar3412 3 ай бұрын

4 comments but just 1 appear in 'Top Comments' tells something..

@nicklee7002 3 ай бұрын

Talking about a country so far away?

@happymelon7129 3 ай бұрын

The “1.6 billion anti-China fund” refers to a recent U.S. congressional decision to allocate over $1.6 billion in public funds to counter what it describes as “malign Chinese influence” globally. This fund is part of the H.R.1157 bill passed in September 2023. The legislation allows for the deployment of these funds until 2027 to support activities(propagandas) that push back against China’s global influence, particularly in media and civil society sectors worldwide.

@misterbig9025. 3 ай бұрын

Cheenk propaganda bot 😂

@happymelon7129 3 ай бұрын

😅All want a share of the 1.6Billion U$D fund release by the empireU$. Just need to talk negative about China.

@misterbig9025. 3 ай бұрын

@@happymelon7129 cheenk

@zsarimaxim692 3 ай бұрын

Trust in the printed media in Finland is amongst the highest? Then there is a long way to go for Finland to combat disinformation.

@sampohonkala4195 3 ай бұрын

Nah, not as simple as that. The high level of education and awareness also mean that the media is less likely to spread disinformation, as it would harm the business. In this case, the trust is earned.

@abc_0_10_11 3 ай бұрын

I haven't looked deeper into this study, but I assume that people take it as Finnish media, and especially YLE. As long as the news papers keep reporting factual information and quickly fix errors caused by bad sources or mistakes, people keep trusting them.

@edonveil9887 3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a flat earth argument.