How CHERUB Shows the HIDDEN HORRORS of Heaven!

[@finnthepony]

Just in case you missed my update post and have any questions for me, here ya go! ^^ Glad to be back again!

[@robbieking4070]

You mentioned in your Spring Broken video that you write stories on Helluva Boss. Can you please tell me where you posted them because I would love to read them.

[@theodorevickeryiii5122]

have you ever considered doing a colab with mangakamen? I hear the guy does helluva boss reviews too.

[@finnthepony]

@@robbieking4070 Sadly I haven't posted them anywhere on the internet yet. ^^; The closest I get is some of my theory videos which tend to tell little stories. ^w^

[@finnthepony]

@@theodorevickeryiii5122 I actually know MK personally! ^w^ He makes good stuff! I don't know how big he is on collabs though.

[@theodorevickeryiii5122]

@@finnthepony hey, as the old saying goes: it wouldn't hurt to ask.

[@scootinkermie]

I think Collin genuinely cared

[@scootinkermie]

Also I think Keenie meant just Imps because she also said shitty dead people which refers to sinners I believe

[@ayal92]

@@scootinkermie Which makes her even more bigoted. Unlike sinners, imps don't have a choice, they are born in hell and have to stay there even if they are saints.

[@DragonWeeb]

I agree with that Collin is my favourite out of the three

[@RhythmShorts]

He did seem really scared and upset over Lyle's death while the other two just got mad

[@Jermstorm]

@@scootinkermie I think Collin was genuinely scared- I mean he didn't curse once he only did his job, and he did seem terrified

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

I think the reason why the C.H.E.R.U.B. commercial was played in Hell is because their entire thing is that dead people contract them to look after their loved ones, so I imagine that some people in Hell who still have friends and family in the living world and genuinely want what's best for them so they might employ Cherubs to look out for them or even influence them so they wont end up in hell like them.

[@casual__thing4291]

That’s sorta smart

[@oliviamorales9406]

I really hope that's the case, but at the same time, I can kinda see them playing that ad in hell just to taunt the sinners. Especially after seeing how some of the residents of heaven seem to look down on the demons.

[@MayFleet]

@@oliviamorales9406 yeah both make sense in my mind

[@luci8857]

@@catalyst_8759 it was explained in the episode

[@luci8857]

They say in the commercial that they serve residents of Heaven

[@StinJ-j7g]

Charlie is more committed to helping the souls than the angels are

[@slevinchannel7589]

...Maybe I'm getting too specific, but i would like them to find out that the Cherubs and all that are indeed how this video describes BUT theyre more like Semi-Angels or even better: Humans who classed up after a certain 'Event'. What this Event was, you ask? Well, a War. A War of Heaven against an Outside Force. The Imps would learn about this and ask confused 'War with Who?!', as they are totally aware that Hell is not invaded by Angels - at all! ...So yeah, some cosmic force or strange Otherworldler would be the Reason why all the Angels had to hurry far away and left the Cherubs and/or Humans-in-Heaven in Charge. Again, maybe i'm getting too specific, but i would like them to get informed about all this and get asked 'Well, wanna have some D&D-Adventure and search them? Or let anything stay as it is? Your choice." First, they would decline, cause, well, Nerdy, but later, they bring back the Angels from far Away. ... On a related but not additional note: If the Show 'Supernatural' can incorporate GOD into the Story, so can this show/s.

[@letsbeabean]

cuz charlie is such a precious cinnamon bun

[@Nyrufa]

@@slevinchannel7589 Fun Fact: in the real life angelic hierarchy, Cherubs are the second highest rank of Angel, being right below the Seraphim.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@Nyrufa Thats a bit random, even for a fun-fact.

[@benjaminnall2500]

I can literally taste the irony of that fact.

[@ariesarchdemon]

I will note that Collin is the one who ends up asking the other cherubs, “Is there anything we can do?” in other words, “is there anything we can do to earn our way back into Heaven?” While the other two cherubs of the trio immediately freak out and point fingers at the I.M.P., Collin seems to accept that the death WAS their fault, and instead asks for forgiveness and a way to make up for their mistake.

[@camilaalmiron5588]

Yeah poor collin

[@TheArbiterKnight343]

Collin is the more reasonable one

[@Livi-chan435-xq6vy]

Collin is probably gonna end up working at the Hazbin hotel

[@MrJoeBlaze]

@@Livi-chan435-xq6vy I hope so.

[@j_mushroom2358]

Sorry now this is a long time ago but if you also look at the seen where Cletus (don’t know how to spell) says he’s a shitty old man, Colin actually looks shocked and looks over to Cletus. Conny just nods and agrees with him being a shitty old man

[@dylanlewis5113]

My first thought on the Cherubs: "They're so cute. I hate them."

[@Hayzeden]

first to reply, but I also agree :/

[@Isa-x4q]

I a𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚎

[@deniellekatesbuhian5421]

same

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Why

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@deniellekatesbuhian5421 Why

[@jar_of_silly]

I think the actual verse was: “Surround yourself by people who lift you up, and lift up those who don’t.”

[@AinsleySunny]

hmmm makes sense

[@randomgreek5682]

Ok that actually a good message

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

No the poster was different

[@drfidelis558]

@@Jarod-vg9wq they’re reciting the actual verse from the Bible

[@vincerelee]

Can you point out which verse actually says that? I tried finding but found nothing

[@mysteryh7174]

Collin was the only good and honest cherub who truly cared for his client. He even frowned at Cletus when he swore and vowed to save Lyle's life against his own will.

[@iheartdaftpunk]

222nd like

[@cee_me_shine1138]

333rd like 👍🏻

[@sleepycos8107]

Collin would also 1000% get with Razzle

[@looniterror3108]

444th like

[@pocketofus7428]

And even tho he’s the one that killed they guy the other 2 still got banished from heaven. Which is also I point to heaven being bad.

[@emsgachauniverseo-o6293]

Helluva Boss is basically Ancient Greece’s pov on “good” deities and “bad” deities. Zeus knew Hera didn’t like him screwing mortal women and actively cursed them; but Hades named his hellhound spot, fused dudes who wanted to screw Persephone to chairs, and was all around a good guy

[@SeBa-xb3jn]

Huh

[@materialgworl69]

Hera tried to literally murder Hercules and aphrodite cheated on heaphestus all the time

[@ann4714]

wait i dont understand ur comparison with greek gods to helluva boss characters. Is it like olympus gods are jerks but hades the king of the underworld loves his wife very much? Like Millie and Moxxie? Also, Hades' hellhound (cerberus) when translated means "tainted" much like sin. "Spotted" though is still up for debate so we cant really confirm the "three headed dog named Spot" part

[@mysoulisanabyss814]

...Hades named his hellhound Spot? I thought it's name was Cerberus.

[@materialgworl69]

@@mysoulisanabyss814 that's what I'm thinking also he neglected to mention hades kidnapping persephone into liking him all Stockholm syndrome like

[@Jackie-McCann]

“I WANNA SEE CHARLIE HUG GOD!” I personally wanna see Charlie call God “Grandpa”, because isn’t she technically his granddaughter considering who her dad is?

[@theshatteredbeast9071]

yeah

[@grimmrider638]

I hate the fact that I can only like a video or comment once.

[@anyathepanther7977]

That is SO wholesome, i stardet grinning like a hyena

[@charlesescano]

What about Jesus?

[@grimmrider638]

@@charlesescano Uncle

[@dejaypage1575]

(Hears Finn’s theory) is this why Lucifer wasn’t big on Charlie’s idea? I mean... *He’s from this place!*

[@RhythmShorts]

He doesn't want to see his daughter or her friends end up there. He'd rather her stay down in hell other than go to a place that it much worse

[@matijasostojic4288]

Correct me if im wrong im not big on religion but doesn't the whole thing with Lucifer happen early in the this religion like around the time of Adam and Eve. So if his theory about Heaven becoming corrupt because God has to deal with the big number of humans Heaven wouldn't have been corrupt at the time. Maybe in some way he know what is happening in Heaven.

[@anextremlyobbisehoovy8254]

@@matijasostojic4288 Perhaps because hes the second most powerful being after God that he knows what happens in heaven

[@dejaypage1575]

@Black Hand main thing he did was start a rebellion.

[@pablopereyra7126]

@@dejaypage1575 And you know, constantly try to destroy humanity and Earth in general and torture it for all eternity. Just a *small* detail.

[@Nvaehlo]

Collin was the only Cherub who didn't curse, he looks genuinely concerned when Cletus does, and he was the Cherub that was thrown into danger during the commercial. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that he might be the only "good" person in a group of "nice" people. Poor sheep boi. Edit: ALSO-- When our favorite boss deer kicks them out, Collin is the only one who asks for forgiveness. Cletus says that it was an accident and Kennie tries to blame it on IMP(which is understandable but still).

[@randomgreek5682]

Lol he the immigrants moxxie of the group and I think vivipop on purpose made him that way to show possible heaven can be saved and not everyone there is a true asshole

[@tempestvenator9809]

@@randomgreek5682 so Collin was basically a true angel compared to his counterparts, someone who is genuinely good.

[@culturedmonster5518]

Poor Collin, I thought the same thing though, he actually did seem alright

[@mist0098]

like a black sheep

[@hobomike6935]

"they hated cletus because he told the truth"

[@revaslatts8011]

Collin is the only angel that I adored. He and Moxie could become friends. Both are doormats with pure hearts. Please let Vivzie adhere our prayers.

[@bluecollarcanuck]

Moxxie & MIllie- most adorable couple in Hell. They've got a better relationship than most people on Earth. Favorite episode so far? "Truth Seekers".

[@virtueofdragonsdreamer7783]

Honestly I think Colin is an actually good person genuinely trying to be good. Not just nice. Mainly because of how genuinely horrified he is that Cletus called the old man crappy but the other one doesn’t even care. He’s also the only one affected by the animals killing each other and the human in the nature scene. Cletus just tries to ignore it and brush it off, but Colin is genuinely dumbfounded it happened.

[@virtueofdragonsdreamer7783]

Finally is the end scene when they’re banished from Heaven. Though this may be a stretch let’s point out that Colin is the one to ask if there’s anything they can do to be forgiven. It’s not worthy because Keenie tries to blame IMP AFTER that. Keenie is shifting the blame, meanwhile Colin seems to be accepting that it is their fault, but he wants to make up for it.

[@virtueofdragonsdreamer7783]

Quite honestly I love Colin’s design and his character is screaming at me he isn’t all bad. Not sure about Keenie and Cletus but it seems Colin is a genuinely good person. Lots could happen from this point forward. My personal theory is Keenie and Cletus will become obsessed with getting revenge on IMP, causing Colin to leave and keep saving people if the three aren’t forced into hell immediately. If he wants to make up for what happened, maybe he’ll still try. This could cause A: Colin to be reaccepted into Heaven while Keenie and Cletus have only sealedntheir fate. B: Colin gets so annoyed by IMP he has an Angel hulkout of some sort. Or C: Colin and Moxie interaction. If Colin is as good as I think, then a talk with Moxie and his moral senses may cause Colin to question his view on demons. On everything. He may go away for quite some time after that. I honestly don’t know what the after of that would be. But that’s just my opinions in the matter.

[@randomgreek5682]

@@virtueofdragonsdreamer7783 agree I think vivipop purposely made all the cherubs assholes to show heaven has lost its way. But I vivipop made Collin to show that not all of heaven is correct assholes. And that heaven even though flawed can be saved.

[@salt_neko]

Wow that's a really cool analysis! I also felt that Colin was actually a good wholesome dude unlike the other two who gave some really suspicious vibes for me.

[@battybuddy]

I sort of imagine that while their intentions may be genuine, they didn't go into this job because they WANTED to. Much like I.M.P. has been stated as being run illegally, I imagine C.H.E.R.U.B. was an assigned career. Hey- it makes sense in the whole heaven and hell thing: If anyone tries to get I.M.P.'s illegal operations in trouble with the higher ups- whos going to care enough to actually punish them? If anyone in C.H.E.R.U.B. wants to do something ELSE- "No no nooo"

[@arosegaming4793]

The lamb is the only one who seems genuine. When the baby angel called the old man a shitty old man, the blue lamb blinked and looked at him weirdly.

[@randomgreek5682]

I imagine him saying this is his head (wait what I though we where actually trying to show a old man the good in life)

[@AinsleySunny]

Collin but y'know who cares

[@tobsonasanya4765]

To be fair the man did bad things

[@Barakon]

I thought the blue one (Collins) was the only genuine one.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@Barakon Probably

[@stpapkin4425]

I think it'll be cool if colin was added to the hotel. A former heaven citizen would really benefit Charlie's cause

[@hobomike6935]

Collin would definitely be a good addition to Hazbin. He's got his head on straight. I just wish the other 2 cherubs were the same

[@Notfallkaramell]

Collin, a HB character in HH, would be a good connection point for both shows.

[@ButterflyBlossom6415]

Collin is so sweet 💙

[@CZPickle]

Sadly I don’t think they’d be able to because VIVZIE said a crossover wouldn’t be possible due to both being on separate platforms now but I’d love to see it

[@ghost3617]

@@Notfallkaramell I mean they ARE both in the same universe and time period

[@shenyathewelder9695]

I kinda felt Collins vibe the entire time, he’s a genuine good boy just trying to help people. Down to the end he just wanted to do the right thing but wasn’t assertive enough to hold his ground when his peers pushed him. So octavia, loona, and Collin are the biggest moods in that order.

[@mr.turtle3585]

Also, it’s that issue of heaven being a “gated community” that may turn out to be why hell is so overpopulated, because they deny so many people because they aren’t quite perfect enough. So fixing that issue in heaven might make it to where Charlie doesn’t even need to reform demons.

[@serifthegodofinsanity8823]

So like the good place, where there hasn't been a person who's gotten into heaven in the past 200 years

[@mr.turtle3585]

@@serifthegodofinsanity8823 never heard of “the good place” but essentially ya

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

@PokeHearts Fan wait what

[@crumblemuffin1257]

I can see like,hell suffering overpopulation while heaven there's not that much angels. I'm gonna prophesy here goddammit

[@ajunkersgamble6689]

BRO, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WITH THE GATED COMMUNITY! but my idea is about what Colin had said to Lyle "We're here to give you a blessing, on behalf of the people whom benefited from your technological advances!" Heaven might just be a gated community alright, cause the only people that benefited from that tech were the rich and powerful, I mean they tested that crap out on the poor, and the age machine was to save all 3 trillionairs. The rich bought their way into heaven...... I think a pope actually outlawed that kind of stuff at some point in history actually.

[@jeremy1860]

Charlie meeting with God and showing him the error of Heaven's ways sounds like the absolute best idea for these shows that I've heard in ages 😊

[@kellymckee1196]

IKR

[@mysterythekitsune2988]

Till she learns God requires people who live only t choose to worship him willing by choice or the die apart from him and go to hell and stay their. Unless Vivi makes him willing the biblical version is God will not allow dose who are dead, not human, and not alive to enter heaven. Remember God of the Bible wants humanity to follow and worship by choice if they won't then he won't make them but he won't let them live without the drawbacks. !meaning you get to have everything you want but your empty in your spirit. And people without God get consumed by their own deeds, not even those who are good can enter heaven unless the choose God PR he will tell them. "Depart from me for I never knew you." Yeah so Charlie wont like this of its cannon.

[@JohnSmith-xf1zu]

If God "wants humanity to follow and worship by choice" then posing an ultimatum of "Worship me, or else I will doom your soul forever," is certainly a funny way of accomplishing that, especially given the Problem of Divine Hiddenness. But without getting bogged down into the religious aspect, I think Charlie has plenty to chat with God on, especially the whole forgiveness aspect. Perhaps Charlie could convince God to forgive the citizens of hell that he previously banished. Or perhaps she could convince him to implement a new system where people can still redeem themselves after death. Maybe like purgatory, but even open to people who would otherwise have been sent to hell. Maybe she could even broker an uneasy peace between God and Lucifer. Who knows where they will take this series?

[@47ratsinahoodie]

@@mysterythekitsune2988 It'd probably be interesting if God helped Charlie to make some kind of Heaven-like part of Hell if sinners couldn't go to Heaven for that reason even if they can get redeemed.

[@huskyy2940]

Jus wait till Charlie’s dad hears about what she’s doing. I can see him being Lucifer being pissed

[@francisfatta]

My favorite line: “We’re here to remind you about life’s greatest joy of all” *”moneh”* Plus that deer cherub with the whole “yyeeeeaaaahhhh...... sssooorrrrryyyyyyyyyy........ nnnnnoooooooo”

[@sarafontanini7051]

what makes it hilarious is the little gremlin hands Lyle makes when he says it

[@Foible]

@@sarafontanini7051 and the way the background gets a bit darker

[@rafiavicena9465]

M O N E Y

[@eunoiamorosis]

*m o n e*

[@bonda_racing3579]

M O N E I

[@thewilliamsanimationprojec822]

Since you explained that Heaven is ran by "Nice" people instead of "Good" people, we can say that Hell is also full of "Mean" or "Sinful" people, and not "Bad" people

[@SpookyParadox]

I think that Collin has more of a chance of redemption than the rest. The thing that angers me the most is that Collin is doing all the work.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

He ain't doing all the work besides we just saw them for one episode

[@tobsonasanya4765]

He ain't doing everything

[@ajrosedust1919]

Yeah that's a good point because we literally saw him doing all that paperwork and he had to be the one to fend off literal big dogs and he never seems to get any Thanks or congratulations for his work hes just used so the cheerups don't have to do as much work

[@Tabi-Kun]

@@tobsonasanya4765 according to his personality, he’s the only one who cares, since he really was trying to save Lyle, while the other two just told Lyle not to kill himself while collin actually tried to get him away from deadly things, and Cletus even states “we are saving this SHITTY old man’s life! Whether he wants us to or not!” With collin giving him that sad look while the girl just agreed with Cletus. Also in the cherub commercial, it happens that collin is the only one doing stuff (examples: doing paper work, and getting shaved into a pack of wolfs, while the other 2 just sat and watched) so really he is the only one doing actually stuff, while the other 2 just comment but don’t actually do anything

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@ajrosedust1919 We don't know that those were juts flashbacks lol

[@equisnrolly]

What isn’t said in true religious lore: “no Angel is perfect, and no demon is completely imperfect”

[@michelveilleux1275]

Lucifer was once an Angel , and Jinn, while Demonic, are capable of choice, to be or not to be a cunt. Most just choose to be a cunt because funny. So yeah, probably.

[@FayeLawnKrack3d]

In short, nobody is perfect in the end.

[@NivekTheEnigma]

@@FayeLawnKrack3d Including God, despite what most Christians would have us believe. As an agnostic I don't believe God (if they exist) is perfect, or all knowing and all powerful.

[@michelveilleux1275]

@@NivekTheEnigma the phrase, "In any decently ran universe; This guy would've been out on his all powerful ass by yesterday." By Goerge Carlin comes to mind.

[@SirToaster9330]

In most religions the requirements to heaven is so strict a child could die and be sent to hell, it can get to a point where you literally could see heaven as the bad guys. Nose: growing old is sin Christianity: they can be super strict with their way to heaven Muslims: being raped is considered adulatory Greeks: Zeus was a rapist while hades was chill

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

So those Cherubs are now banned from heaven and they will probably have to go to Hell. Gee if only there was a place, perhaps a Hotel if you will, that was dedicated to helping people redeem themselves and go to Heaven. But what are the chances a place like that could exist am I right?

[@rat-dog7357]

I mean even if the cherubs aren't exactly the best people, im sure they do have a better shot at being redeemed if they're willing to change

[@ellienugent3120]

THIS IS WHERE HAZBIN HOTEL CAME IN HERE.

[@Isokatmydydecsf]

*Happy Hotel entered the conversation*

[@docrofreborn7497]

It *HAS BEEN* a looong time since anyone has gained redemption.

[@fennecrocks770]

Who the heck would waste their time on that?

[@ovni2295]

Also, another detail: If you look at the Hierarchy of Angels, it's only the lower classes of angels that actually take care of people on Earth. Angels and Archangels and Virtues are the only ones who go to Earth and comfort people, perform miracles, etc. (Some versions of the hierarchy place Virtues near the middle of the ladder, but still. All the Big Wigs like the Seraphim and Ophanim and the Dominions are too busy praising God and playing Jenga to help anybody.) It's also mostly Upper Class angels who rebelled against God and were cast down to Hell in the first place because they didn't like that God was asking the angels to help with the physical universe - some stories say they were jealous of the attention Earth was getting, others say they thought Earth was flawed and terrible, and some say they wanted to rule Earth outright instead of letting the Humans have it. Point is: Heaven's upper crust have always been shady.

[@Chiramino]

I love how you described the seraphims and Ophanim just playing jenga 😂 not too out of character for them tbh

[@HunhowsShadowStalker]

I.M.P. and C.H.E.R.U.B. have some definite parallels. Cletus is the group's leader and seems to care more about doing the job than the reason for doing it. Just like Blitzo. Collin is the friendly and soft-spoken guy with a good heart. He's basically Moxxie. Keenie is presumably Collin's wife/girlfriend based on their hug scene in their commercial ("Cause good people spread the love." "And we're here for all above!"). She's a good match for Millie. As for Loopty and Lyle's demon appearance. Sinners might just take on demonic appearances related to their former life. Ms. Mayberry's life before she snapped wasn't all that unique or special, so there was no direct "source" to make a demonic form for her. As a result, she became your standard run-of-the-mill demon.

[@ProfWulfenstein]

She still looked like a teacher though. Like remove the demon-essqe features and she is a teacher. I can't see those clothes as a choice as pretty much demons seem to ALWAYS look the same unless they go out of their way to change their appearances. (I.E. the disguises that I.M.P. wears.)

[@IzukuIXLilly]

@@ProfWulfenstein I have One Question To This... Wouldn't Demons Keep The scars? I heard a chainsaw That episode and there's Stitches on her...So I'm thinking That What you did Travels with you

[@parallax7789]

@@IzukuIXLilly Well, sometimes it scars, sometimes it other things. Like the Dr. Robotnik guy having piano keys for teeth after being crushed by one.

[@IzukuIXLilly]

@@parallax7789 exactly!! if this is the case, then blitz is on some freeeeeeeeeaaaky shiiit

[@parallax7789]

@@IzukuIXLilly But isn't blitz an imp? And Imps are hellborn. So he was just born like that.

[@c0brzz199]

tbh they let 4 people die just for their commercial, even if its censored-

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

Tbf, IMP killed like 20 people in their commercial, but that is no excuse for the cherubs, which are supposed to be virtuous and good, to kill people for the sake of popularity. IMP at LEAST has the excuse of being demons.

[@ClockworkVaudevillian1]

@@apollyonnoctis1291 that, and they are actually showcasing doing their job that way

[@aesthetic_coral9617]

Meh maybe its caught in the act

[@MischiefHowlVA]

Wait, you're right. I didn't realize the click until you pointed it out.

[@cormacb2326]

@@apollyonnoctis1291 Is letting someone die really the same as killing them though? Sure they have the power to save them but I'd imagine its frowned upon to interfere in the lives of the living under normal conditions.

[@tromedlovdrolmai]

There's also the fact that in the end, Lyle Lipton went to hell regardless of the CHERUBs actions because of his and Loopty Goopty's experimentation on the poor while they were alive, which Lyle said is how they made millions. So even if the CHERUBs had saved his life in the episode, it wouldn't have mattered in the long run.

[@hariman7727]

It might have mattered in the long run. The righteous rich man that Jesus holds up as an example gave up HALF of his wealth, forgave all ill gained debts, and gave that half of his wealth to those in need, including those he'd wronged. Many people quote the "It is easier to thread a camel's hair through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven." But the following point Jesus makes is often ignored: "...with God, all things are possible." Edit: also, the three cherubs weren't willing to take responsibility for their actions. No repentance = no heaven.

[@oliviamorales9406]

@@catalyst_8759 Yeah but I don't think Lyle cared to share his money, after Keenie suggested he could of donated his money, he immediately rejected the idea.

[@sarafontanini7051]

well that and while he got a new lease on life he still died as a slefish old man who cared more about money and 'buying all the things' than doing anything nice for people

[@Oreca2005]

Something is not right though why they even targeted this guy at all or how they do their job for some reason.... like he hav ego he forgiven and feel guilty and confess for his sins or something.... idk but I feel like those guys are doing there job wrong

[@IcyDiamond]

Crazy theory here but I believe that it has to do with Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol, I know I sound insane but let me explain myself, my theory states that in the Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss universe, A Christmas Carol is a true story that Charles Dickens adapted to his own liking, many have wondered why the Cherub commercial played in Hell, well I’ve heard some say that some denizens of Hell wanna see their loved ones succeed in life so they’d don’t go to Hell like they have, after all not everyone who goes to Hell is even a bad person, just look at Vaggie, so while I believe A Christmas Carols took place in this universe, there weren’t ghosts there, Marley was a demon trying to contact Scrooge and warm him about his ways, and his chains was simply his demon form, Vivzie has said that your demon form in Hell depends on what kind of person you were in life, as an example, Angel Dust count keep his hands to himself as a human, so when he got in Hell, he grew multiple hands and became a spider, and as for the other ghosts, I believed they were Cherubs, I mean it now makes sense why they would go a day before Jesus Christ was born, so I overall believe that the ghosts in the original story were demons and angels and Charles Dickens in this universe changed the story up to make it more interesting in his eyes, now you might be wondering what this has to do with the Cherub episode of Helluva Boss, well I believe Loopty to represent Marley while Lyle represents Scrooge, but instead of going to the Cherubs like Marley did for Scrooge, Loopty went to the Imps because he believed Lyle would just hog up all of his money for himself, so the Imps go to kill Lyle but then the Cherubs barge in and try to save his life, now my theory on this is after A Christmas Carol, the Cherubs made it a tradition to go to a greedy rich man and try to reform his every Christmas, this theory is supported by the fact that it’s Christmas time during this episode indicated by the kids lining up to meet Santa during it, so I believe the Cherubs thought that if they saved Lyles life, he would’ve devoted it life to being a selfless man like they suggested him doing by funding things like schools and hospitals, as for why they didn’t go back in time for Lyle, it’s possible he was always selfish unlike Scrooge, so doing that wouldn’t have worked for him, so tl;dr I believe the reason they helped Lyle is because they wanted to reform him like they did Scrooge, but unlike Marley wanting Scrooge to be a better person, Loopty just wanted Lyle dead

[@khylerbane4523]

I am all for the idea of Charlie hugging God, telling him what heaven has become in his absence, and God returning to heaven (much to the angels horror) to put the literal fear of God in them. They try to justify their actions only for God to correct them, and praise Charlie for being more an angel than them dispite being the devil’s daughter. And it ends with all of the angels being cast out of heaven and into hell, and Charlie’s redeemed demons becoming the new angels and starting a partnership with hell to send redeemed souls to heaven.

[@shcdemolisher]

Yeah. My headcannon is that God himself might've been in isolation after Lucifer fell, possibly from either a prophecy that was told to him before hand of a balance of power, or something dangerous was awoken because of his actions. Since I can see him seeking council and advice from similar beings of power like himself. So maybe we see Eldritch gods in said council that we recognize and are his extended family, like his parents and Satan's parents and so on. So Charlie goes through heaven, seeking answers, is warned off, finds an alternate route from those who are concerned with God's whereabouts, her dad included. Eventually reaching the ancient council where God himself was residing all this time. He had been gathering intelligence and resources about something and her arrival actually helps his plan. Though your idea also sounds great too. :D

[@joseluissifuentes8639]

Charlie’s motivation is more angelic than the Cherubs.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

But charlie is still naive

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Not comparable at leats the cherubs make more sense

[@mistressofdreams6031]

@UCDBHyJmnSbi0kHQ9tcHSJCg We get it, no one in Hell can be actually good now shut the hell up

[@thermslusitania1151]

@@tobsonasanya4765 actually you are very wrong a lot of people like angel dust grew up in that lifestyle so they know nothing else if your entire family was mobsters and I all you ever knew and been around would you be a good person doesn't the Bible say and talk about anyone can be redeemed honestly if that's the case look at angel dust for example you can clearly tell those good in her look how he grew up

[@thermslusitania1151]

@@tobsonasanya4765 everyone deserves a second chance isn't God supposed to be the symbol of love and compassion in a god of Mercy the way your talking sounds like once you down to hell you are always evil she's not be naive she simply sees that people can be redeemed

[@azcartoons4622]

Charlie: *hugs God* Blitzø: "Is she allowed to do that" That was a mulan reference btw

[@kiarara7014]

ok

[@lilithdoyle5703]

@@kiarara7014 ok

[@kiarara7014]

@@lilithdoyle5703 ok

[@lilithdoyle5703]

@@kiarara7014 ok

[@kiarara7014]

@@lilithdoyle5703 ok

[@justicejewels7773]

Finn: Heck he's basically just doctor robotnic with a mr. krabs complex- Me: *literally dies of laughter*

[@slevinchannel7589]

Maybe I'm getting too specific, but i would like them to find out that the Cherubs and all that are indeed how this video describes BUT theyre more like Semi-Angels or even better: Humans who classed up after a certain 'Event'. What this Event was, you ask? Well, a War. A War of Heaven against an Outside Force. The Imps would learn about this and ask confused 'War with Who?!', as they are totally aware that Hell is not invaded by Angels - at all! So yeah, some cosmic force or strange Otherworldler would be the Reason why all the Angels had to hurry far away and left the Cherubs and/or Humans-in-Heaven in Charge. Again, maybe i'm getting too specific, but i would like them to get informed about all this and get asked 'Well, wanna have some D&D-Adventure and search them? Or let anything stay as it is?" First, they would decline, cause, well, but later, they bring back the Angels from far Away. ...

[@jaycred8726]

Great analysis, I loved the implications of this episode and hope to see more of the wayward members of CHERUB in future episodes. An additional point of interest is how CHERUB picks their clients. It's practically stated that they're saving Lipton at the behest of the people in heaven who he had helped with his inventions, and at the beginning of the CHERUB commercial it's subtly implied that they provide an exclusive service to residents of heaven who have loved ones in the real world that they want to save. It's a system that stacks the odds against anyone who doesn't have friends in heaven, and it's pretty funny how this is in stark contrast to IMP's service which threatens the lives of those who have enemies in hell.

[@joshbean3236]

I feel bad for the reaper, shows up to do his job and the cherubs show up to do the exact opposite. "Come on... Let me do my job guys." (also could explain the piano changing directions mid-air, got so sick of the shenanigans he said screw it and drove the piano into him.)

[@joshbean3236]

@Aziz Calva-Navarro I think that idea could be cool to see, Maybe if the stars align and this gets to Vivsie, we might see that in Hellava or Hazbin.

[@parallax7789]

@Aziz Calva-Navarro You know, I honestly think the reaper doesn't actually care if a mortal's life is saved. Think about it, everyone dies eventually, one way or another, and it's not like it can be staved off forever. I bet he'd just be all "Cool, you saved yourself, I'll see you next time around." Just a chill person who takes the souls to Heaven to be judged and then that's about it.

[@Scarshadow666]

@@parallax7789 Pretty much one of my favorite depictions of the Grim Reaper in art/media is when they're like that (such as how Death is portrayed in DC's Sandman series, and a little bit in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series)! ^^

[@wolfsanimated]

Well assuming that Grim Reaper actually exists in this universe

[@pogggaming4470]

@@parallax7789well, I assume that the reaper is like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqeclJJ-qrBsfcksi=bbmAOJ0v15KufigL where the human is at their final moments and the grim reaper tries to claim their soul to get it over with

[@velmasparksmayall6496]

It’s actually also a good family moment cause Charlie is technically god’s granddaughter!

[@logangonzalez-patton3121]

Satan just might be a separate entity and not related to God in the series

[@velmasparksmayall6496]

@@logangonzalez-patton3121 yeah but and I know it’s not cannon. Lucifer is a fallen angel 👼 even if he’s not blood 🩸 related to god. He would know all the other angels and god.

[@Dread_2137]

@@velmasparksmayall6496 I mean, it's hard to be blood related to something that, according to the descriptions, doesn't even have a physical form but god made angels just like he made humans, so in a way, especially for the oldest and closest god angels, like Lucifer at some point, it is certainly a parent-child relationship

[@velmasparksmayall6496]

@@Dread_2137 I’m sorry if that came off kind of aggressive. I was trying to say that god made the angels to be his heralds and children 👶. I do agree with you though. That while they might not be bliss related god did make them in his main image

[@namikotv8562]

Lucifer is not God's son tho Angels aren't God's children they are identities they created

[@thedarkartist3635]

Finn: *comes up with a whole possible story and idea for how Halbinsel hotel and helluva boss could play out* Me: “I just wanted to see some Old Testament angels in Helluva Boss”

[@slevinchannel7589]

Maybe I'm getting too specific, but i would like them to find out that the Cherubs and all that are indeed how this video describes BUT theyre more like Semi-Angels or even better: Humans who classed up after a certain 'Event'. What this Event was, you ask? Well, a War. A War of Heaven against an Outside Force. ...The Imps would learn about this and ask confused 'War with Who?!', as they are totally aware that Hell is not invaded by Angels - at all! So yeah, some cosmic force or strange Otherworldler would be the Reason why all the Angels had to hurry far away and left the Cherubs and/or Humans-in-Heaven in Charge. Again, maybe i'm getting too specific, but i would like them to get informed about all this and get asked 'Well, wanna have some D&D-Adventure and search them? Or let anything stay as it is? Your choice." First, they would decline, cause, well, Nerdy, but later, they bring back the Angels from far Away. ...

[@Izie98]

Halbinsel hotel lol probably autocorrect, right?

[@takayamuramoto4490]

Ah, a fellow german.

[@Izie98]

@@takayamuramoto4490 Yes, german autocorrect is really annoying when you're trying to type in english

[@hindsunup6777]

@@Izie98 Hopefully

[@brendonbusby8361]

My thoughts while listening to this is, what if the cherubs we’ve seen in the show (the ones on missions), are actually the poorer class? They’ve taken very clear incentive to show us the richer class/the richer side of heaven. What if heaven monopolizes on good will, keeping the poor, poor while keeping the “nice” façade. Could be why they just want to get the job done and get home.

[@rompevuevitos222]

I think it's a good example of middle class people that defend the higher class (wonder if they where going for that) They are good enough, so they feel like those above them are in their same "team" in a way. So anyone below them is, well, below them, and they treat them as such Similar to how bullies love to prey on the weak, it makes them feel like they are truly better than the others So the day that middle class person falls to the lower class they realize at who they've been kicking, but everyone else that used to be in their "team" is now against them

[@sillydoumafrfr]

Cherubs: Why, does the fandom think your better then us!? Charlie: Because I am.

[@AinsleySunny]

YES SHE IS!

[@chloenieuwsma4846]

Maybe collin is actually a good guy (the little blue lamb) he seemed like the most innocent and least bad cherub out of the trio. I mean he was the only one who did the paper work and the worse he did was almost say the lords name in vain. but that gated communitity theoery is really genius finny. i feel stupid for missing that poster, hopefully he gets better treatment cause hes my favourite. i could totally see him and moxie becoming friends.

[@ellienugent3120]

I agree. Even though he probably WAS a Rich Kid (highlighted by his accent) literally like Moxxie he's not that BAD AT ALL.

[@miatheanimegirl3650]

But isn't Colin purple?

[@dallioncoker4127]

He didn’t even say it in vain he said oh my gosh

[@degeneratesupreme860]

@@dallioncoker4127 before he was slapped he said god

[@shadeskitsune7830]

I wanna an episode where he's with Cletus and Keenie planing their revenge and Collin finally having enough of their bs and treating him like dirt, going full out cussing them out without actually saying any curse word (either he's still restraining himself to not curse or he physically can't cuss and doesn't know that many curse words/how to cuss). I think that would be funny.

[@dejaypage1575]

Also on the “Charlie hugging God” thing... She IS technically his granddaughter.

[@jordanhunter3375]

...so would this become something like the end to _The Huggable Movie_ ? I mean, Charlie hugging her grandfather, letting him know he's still loved and needed, sounds similar enough.

[@Dolphin2048]

How is she gods granddaughter

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

@@Dolphin2048 All angels, including Lucifer, are God's children.

[@glasscardproductions4736]

@@Warrior-Of-Virtue- therefore Lucifer is His son, making Charlotte His granddaughter.

[@MusicalFreak812]

@@glasscardproductions4736 don't call her Charlotte-

[@branflakescereal4174]

I heard a theory that depending on the amount of sins a person committed, those people the stronger they are in hell. It would make sense why someone like Alastor is powerful, since he is shown to be sociopathic

[@yazziegaming3090]

So how powerful would the Joker be

[@agrilledsandwich2745]

@@yazziegaming3090 *unlimited power*

[@miccharacter.coomiebully6707]

Not much actually if he’s just a sad reject loser always being stopped by Batman 🧐.

[@shcdemolisher]

@@yazziegaming3090 I'd say.... atleast a minor Prince in power. He would get a lot of influence from his own soldiers being down there, so good amount of extra chaos and no batman to stop him. Unless you count Lucifer who would swing the hammer down on him if he got too bold.

[@sharksam8583]

Then by that logic, wouldn't people like Genghis Khan or Adolf Hitler be super overpowered? More powerful al because. you know because of the whole mass murder and genocide. along with the attempt of taking over the god damn planet

[@iamthelunareclipse5183]

I also noticed Keenie's interaction with Blitz, when she was going off on him telling him that his kind is nothing more than dirt, and Blitz cringing at the fact that she said that to someone of that particular race of demons, so essentially she was being a racist.

[@sirsmiles2509]

Keenie has said C R I N G E

[@gustavofring5674]

My imperium self * loads vengeance launcher with melodious intent *

[@barryseiko1868]

#keenieisoverparty

[@Katzztar]

What I find interesting is Blitzo later calling the cherubs "Heaven's table-scraps", implying that cherubs are lowest class in Heaven just like imps are the lowest class in Hell. Supporting that is "Cherub Town": - the name implies it's a settlement with a large concentration of cherubs, just like there is "Imp City - EST. 1987" in Hell's Pride Ring, the top most of the rings. There's been leaked info that imps can come from other rings, that Moxie & Mille come from the Wrath Ring. So they are not BORN only to the ring but seem to concentrate there - yet if you pay attention to the C.H.E..R.U.B. commercial, the town is OUTSIDE a gate which behind it, far in the distance is a big city that seems more fancy than Cherub Town.

[@iamthelunareclipse5183]

@@Katzztar basically implying that you don't see someone's pain until u get to know them as a person.

[@MewDenise]

*Charlie hugs God* Everyone - Is she allowed to do that?

[@otakusan5356]

God doesn't hate that which was born evil but that which became it.

[@WilliamRBl00m]

God is her grandpa tho

[@SlyCooper1920]

@@WilliamRBl00m okay fair enough

[@jacobshore5115]

@@WilliamRBl00m “you seem like you need one of these:” (Charlie gives her Grandpa the biggest hug he’s ever gotten since one of his kids left.)

[@michelveilleux1275]

Bitch please, she's his granddaughter. Of course she can hug him...or she'll explode in Heavenly fire, honestly idk. 😅

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

I also found Moxxie's "That's kind of hot" line hysterical. And a subtle character building, hinting he's not as vanilla as he appears

[@mistressofdreams6031]

Uhhhhhh...yeah

[@bruh-hs3vx]

Well now that it's confirmed that he lets Millie peg him, we definitely know he ain't as vanilla as we thought 😂

[@deadlyx978]

Yep you know what they say who wants to serve in heaven when you can rule in hell

[@vampirebunny2180]

I kind of want to see Colin join I.M.P. Or help them a little bit or even cheer them on from the sidelines now. He has nothing to lose, what basically was both his family and company completely dumped him (with no severance package, even), it only makes sense now that he starts to take up residence with IMP!

[@Sire-Swagg]

Honestly Colin seemed like the only cherub that cared, even when the other two were swearing and the cracks started to show, Colin was kinda against it

[@randomgreek5682]

In my opinion I think vivipop created the cherubs to show that heaven is not perfect and has a big flaw. But I think Collin is there to show that not all of heaven is pure evil and heaven can be saved

[@jelliottbeck]

I can see this conversation between Charlie and God going on: God: how's my son? Charlie: heeeeee's... fineeee..? God: *doubtful* Charlie: alright fine. I don't really know how dad is, I dont exactly see him all that often... he's always- God: working? Never have time for his family? Charlie: ...yeah. God: *sigh* seems like the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree it seems. That's it, that's the comment.

[@michaelcheng9987]

To like this now would be a crime; so somebody tell me when it's not 69 anymore please! Edit: done

[@karazsteel]

@@michaelcheng9987 someone bumped it to 70

[@wolfsanimated]

@@karazsteel 134

[@randomfan4966]

Wow that that actually might be accurate

[@fabi3790]

God and Charlie are related?? I must have forgotten a lot of Hasbien hotel

[@collin2097]

i feel like the majority of the cherubs in heaven dont understand anything at all about the nature of the real world. "why are you sad? just be happy!"

[@tobsonasanya4765]

When did they say this

[@collin2097]

@@tobsonasanya4765 they did not, its just something i'd think they say.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@collin2097 Eh maybe maybe not but they are not naive lol

[@collin2097]

@@tobsonasanya4765 one could say they aren't naive, but from what has been evidenced in the video the cherubs seem to be grown into their entlited mindset in their "paradise" and thus not have experience the suffering in the world.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@collin2097 Eh I don't know they obviously know bad things happen on earth obviously

[@Crimson_Sun2486]

"There's gotta be a less expensive way to relieve stress" He does it once a month

[@pancakezzzz]

*this scene is just golden* The scene: Y E A N O S O R R Y

[@anyaarcadia9166]

I saw a similar comment or two but I genuinely got the impression Collin was the one of the CHERUB trio who truly cared; think of Moxie in episode 1, and how he was discussing the morality of killing a family or ruining a family just through "business". Collin seems the same in a way, while the other two are much more casual and like "whatever it's business", Collin actually tries to look out for people Which, in the ad, you see the result, him constantly getting crushed/hurt and getting stuck with ALL the paperwork (next to a poster basically dissing him from GOD); and now he's kicked out of heaven for something he didn't even directly do. Sheepish little sheep floof just can't get a break man

[@slevinchannel7589]

Maybe I'm getting too specific, but i would like them to find out that the Cherubs and all that are indeed how this video describes BUT theyre more like Semi-Angels or even better: Humans who classed up after a certain 'Event'. What this Event was, you ask? Well, a War. A War of Heaven against an Outside Force. The Imps would learn about this and ask confused 'War with Who?!', as they are totally aware that Hell is not invaded by Angels - at all! So yeah, some cosmic force or strange Otherworldler would be the Reason why all the Angels had to hurry far away and left the Cherubs and/or Humans-in-Heaven in Charge. Again, maybe i'm getting too specific, but i would like them to get informed about all this and get asked 'Well, wanna have some D&D-Adventure and search them? Or let anything stay as it is? Your choice." First, they would decline, cause, well, Nerdy, but later, they bring back the Angels from far Away... ...

[@tobsonasanya4765]

The poster did not diss him lol

[@scarletjester7831]

"Animation is hard! People that do this for a living deserve more credit and respect!" - Lord Hater

[@R77ification]

[Complete silence]

[@blueponyoverlord8133]

Finn: "Blondie Millie is adorable." Me: "Millie is adorable period."

[@TheRaiderGCS]

Colin is actually the only angle out of the Cherubs that should be allowed back in heaven. mostly due to the fact he never killed anyone and he was disturbed from Cletus saying "WE ARE SAVING THAT SH*TTY OLD MAN'S LIFE" so Colin is a true angle

[@randomgreek5682]

Also he the only one that was like ( is there anything we can do to come back) show he accept his punishment and is trying to fix his mistakes. While the other cherubs try to blame it on IMP. Sigh all of hazbin heaven mist burn and all hazbin angels must die expect for Collin.

[@donvoltonus8898]

Well he's certainly acute angle. 8p

[@TheEmeraldPixel]

@@donvoltonus8898 "under 90 degrees, he is." - Yoda

[@nine-tailedfox1243]

he is, in fact, an angle

[@cheeseandsticks]

Damn auto correct

[@nihili4196]

I feel like Collin is Moxie of the group. They would actually get along pretty well if they met under different circumstances. Hell, I'm pretty sure Collin is less fortunate of the two, since other two cherubs doesn't really seems to care about him too much

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Less fortunate?? Blitzo and loona bully moxxie we barely know about the cherubs lol

[@nihili4196]

Well, if we will look at cherubs as better version of I.M.P.s then being indifferent to what happens to someone sounds like a step-up from bullying someone.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@nihili4196 Lol what not the same. How is being indifferent worse than bullying

[@nihili4196]

It's not worse. Bullying is worse than indifferent, but in the concept it's on same scale. Okay, let me put it this way: if imp is same thing as cherub, but more bad, then their roles seems to be the same.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@nihili4196 No the same besides unlike the imps we don't know much about the cherubs. Also, it's not in the same scale what

[@erichfiedler1481]

Random fact, this episode dropped on my birthday, so Vivzie basically gave me a Birthday gift that everyone else can enjoy and I didn't even expect it

[@thefoxcelotclub]

Surprise

[@sirsmiles2509]

Happy birthday (even though I missed it)

[@scribble3939]

What if heaven has a similar hierarchy to hell, like cherubs being replacements for imps, and angels being replacements for sinners

[@xavierjohnson2321]

So essentially the angels are the embodiment of: 'This is a gated community please get th F of the property' mentality

[@hobomike6935]

God in this show swings the banhammer like nobody else's buisness tbh

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@hobomike6935 Meaning

[@thewildcardperson]

Fits the crowd

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@thewildcardperson Not really though. We barely know heaven

[@thewildcardperson]

@@tobsonasanya4765 I mean the more typical believers in heaven

[@FrostTheHobidon]

This was a fun episode, poor Cherubs they lost their home.

[@xxayakoxx562]

And looking at the fact that they were prob send to Hell where tbh they woudent survie for a long time

[@albertobailon7529]

@@xxayakoxx562 Well they could be fallen angels

[@gimmekromer1151]

@@xxayakoxx562 no they can stay in earth

[@Sammy_The_Umbreon]

I like the fact that both heaven and hell are flawed. There is no perfect paradise. Hellborn and heavenborn citizens will always have flaws because of the living situation they were born in. Human sinners and saints will still remain with their human flaws. It's bound to wind up corrupt on both sides.

[@maddscraft5459]

Your profile pic is really cute, who made it?

[@Dr_mafario]

And either world has people who would seemingly fit whithin the other, with some sinners and hellborn being good, and some angles being jerks. Also, love the pfp.

[@squiddog7086]

I can kinda see whats gonna happen when I pass IRL all I'm gonna see is a white void then I would ether respawn as a new person, be granted to in Heaven And if I see a black and red void then I got sent to hell

[@aniiahie]

i like this better than anything else since everything else seems to want to hop on the "heaven bad hell good because our main characters are from there!!" honestly both sides are grey areas, i dont think true paradise can exist

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@aniiahie But good people go to heaven though

[@UnskilldGamr]

Maybe Charlie's goal will shift from "get sinners into heaven" to "make hell a better place to live overall(at least the pride ring)"

[@jaelyyymar8071]

Notice that Colin is the only one in the group who asked if there was anything they could do. Cletus was shocked someone pointed out a mistake, Keenie went to blame the devils.

[@randomgreek5682]

Poor Collin it’s a shame life try’s to break the nicest and good people the most.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

I just now realize the significance of Colin design being that of a lamb, in Christianity Lambs are considered pure and innocent creatures that also embody suffering because they are the main animal of sacrifice.

[@chitinskin9860]

@@KhaosAdmiral Holy crap, Collin is a sacrificial lamb.

[@Pegasix21]

Finn: *Uploads* My brain: Okay fine you can have the happy chemicals just this once

[@razertheredlantern6203]

Alastor is going to absolutely despise heaven if his hatred of the weaker or the defenceless being taken advantage of is to be believed. I imagine an episode with him(if he is redeemed) going to heaven, seeing how bad it is, and then he would try his hardest to get back down to help and to Charlie.

[@IcyDiamond]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/maXCqXpmmMRohJY here’s a comic about that very thing happening

[@razertheredlantern6203]

Thank you

[@IcyDiamond]

@@razertheredlantern6203 did it make you cry?

[@razertheredlantern6203]

Yes, it was super sad.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@razertheredlantern6203 poor Charlie’s gonna be all alone now :(

[@pamtaylor5797]

14:20 so basically see gods granddaughter hug her grandpa Often funny that i forgot that Charlie is the daughter of one of gods son

[@MiniMinecon2006]

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking about this

[@employervizor1559]

Hugging her grandpa That's just wholesome

[@shakisyaboi991]

Yep, just about to say this

[@nathanseper8738]

Deerie might turn out to be much worse than Lucifer. I mean, she expelled three loyal angels from Heaven while taking a good amount of amusement in their suffering. She's from Heaven, and she's a lot meaner than a lot of the demons we've seen.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Lol she's not even really bad. You joking

[@AinsleySunny]

@@tobsonasanya4765 i disagree i think he/she has a point

[@winxgirl2072]

@@AinsleySunny Same

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@AinsleySunny No way she's worse than lucifer lol

[@luisisaacdelarosabeltran]

@@AinsleySunny I remember someone said that Viv stated that Deerie was a bitch. So it confirms that Heaven is equal or worse than Hell.

[@tic857]

Dearie filing her hoof and saying "yeaaaah nooooo, mmmm sorry!" made me flash back to a dozen people in my life and made my blood boil, and the whole buying your way into heaven system.

[@randomgreek5682]

Agree trust me the worst sin someone can do is lie

[@tic857]

@@randomgreek5682 and the premise that they are better because they have God to back them up and have a whole list of "good deeds". Meanwhile they don't ever want to hear the side volunteer jobs and conscious actions you do just because. I even had one person tell me "but its not in the name of god or Jesus so it doesn't count, you're only doing it for yourself. You'll still go to hell." My response was "I don't give a f if I end up in your heaven, hell or are reincarnated as a worm. Do you?"

[@slevinchannel7589]

On a related but not additional note: If the Show 'Supernatural' can incorporate GOD into the Story, so can this show/s.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@tic857 You literalyy watch a show full of demson and this is what bothers you. Besides you don't buy yourself into heaven

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@randomgreek5682 Lol what that ain't the worst sin

[@chicknorton8839]

This is really interesting. I feel you really hit the point when you said heaven is filled with "nice people" and not good people. I think there may be reading in there regarding the intrusive and conditional nature of Christianity and Christian love, as well as how Cherub pick their clients (a rich exploitative capitalist who tested on the poor and children and was going to hell anyways).

[@PolterGekko]

I'm more interested on how they're going to portray the Archangels since they have a built in joke of Gabriel blowing his horn by accident in a song and dance number

[@amandasweeten634]

Can you please elaborate? Who said this? IS GABRIEL GOING TO BE IN THE SHOW?

[@heliosapollyon4391]

" of course I knew that wasn't really a woman I'm God for crying out loud" - God

[@selene7916]

Lol we live in a simulation aka matrix wake up :)

[@heliosapollyon4391]

@@selene7916 duh I'm the maker

[@SCREW_TITLES]

Wait…

[@ViolentlySilly]

God is unisex in my opinion

[@heliosapollyon4391]

@@ViolentlySilly obviously gods beyond gender identity

[@isobel9195]

I want to see Charlie hug God - fin the pony 2021

[@mrhoohooblue6471]

Alastor when he heard that line: *Alastor's Game (NWTB) Intensifies* !!!

[@gimmekromer1151]

@@mrhoohooblue6471 ?

[@mrhoohooblue6471]

How do you know me?!?

[@Darren-lb3rx]

6:25 “I hope you do more voice acting in other episodes” Vivizie: Yyyyeaaah nooooo, soooorrryy

[@redlantern6669]

"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" if Heaven is what you say it is, then Lucifer was right better to rule in a chaotic, yet free Hell than to serve in a safe, yet corruptible Heaven

[@tobsonasanya4765]

How is heaven corruptible, also isn't hell corruptible too lol

[@mwwq1]

@@tobsonasanya4765 cnan't corrupt somthing thats already corrupted.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@mwwq1 True but most of y'all are already jumping to conclusions how heaven is like lol

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@mwwq1 Yeah hell has always being corupted I know

[@mistressofdreams6031]

@@mwwq1 uuuuuuugh this guy is giving me a migraine!

[@kiralonely]

As someone who's been through like emotional abuse, I related to Collin a lot, I remember watching him almost exclusively throughout the scenes. Like, I don't like the Cherubs, but I like Collin. He definitely seemed more well-intending and I definitely felt some connection with not only his timid nature, which could be due in part to such high punishments in Heaven as well as the abuse of his colleagues, which I doubt are limited only to the two of them, as well as feeling connection with him saying the kinder and more good-intention esque stuff. I think out of all of them, he's the most representative of what Heaven is supposed to be, but he's the one bullied and attacked the most. In a way, that kind of describes what you theorizes, the old Heaven and it's ways being bullied and shunned and pushed into a timid submission while those more arrogant and selfish take up higher rankings, further smothering those with good intention and genuine good hearts. See like, that's the issue as well, you mentioned nice doesn't equal good, but that's the issue with how the system runs now in Heaven and Hell with these series. They're limited to the actions of the people and creatures, and not the actual intention and goodness within. It's why it's so flip floppy, it's why bad people who do nice things got into Heaven, while good people who did not-nice things are sent to Hell, without any question in the matter. Your actions may define you, but one action does not. The sum of your actions and intentions is what defines you, and your ability to recognize the fact that you may be perceived as bad, but knowing in the end it's the "good" outcome, even if by doing nothing you'd solidify yourself as "good", but also solidify the situation to a "bad" outcome. For example, there's a train. It comes to a fork in the tracks, and you have the opportunity to change which track it goes to. In one track, there is one person standing there/tied there. The other is a cliff. If the train is full of people, sacrificing one for the good of the people is the ideal situation. By doing that, you indirectly murder someone. But, if you don't act, many people die, but you are not indirectly responsible. Nice but bad people would not act, but good people might choose to sacrifice one for many. By doing so, those good people are then vilified as bad, especially as many good people don't seek attention or kindness for their actions, they just do kindness because it's right, furthering the possibility of being vilified whether they were doing something good or not. In that example, that good person would go to Hell, and that bad person would go to Heaven. But, at the same time, that good person saved many, and that bad person let many die. This is where the mugginess of morality comes into play with such a black and white system as the one they have in the Nine Realms and Heaven in Vivziepop's world. It's fascinating, and also saddening, to think about. It's also possible that the people who are sent to Heaven, those "nice" bad people, those people could also be influencing those born in Heaven, like the Cherubs. Just an extra thought.

[@totallytorivideos]

This makes so much sense. And it explains why he’ll is super overpopulated in Hazbin.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

Or maybe most people are shit

[@redjirachi1]

The Exorcist program is even darker than we thought

[@machian76]

@@tobsonasanya4765 I see you replying on every comment, you're either a twitter user or an annoying christian.

[@Invalid-user13k]

Who remembers that Cherubs are not babies but terrifying creatures and hybrids

[@TheZodiacKnight]

Vivzie actually did explain in one of the Hunicasts podcast that the deadizens of hell look the way they do as a repreparation of the kind of people they are, as well as a subtle hint as to how they died. And I think Wally was just in this episode because they just wanted to use him again.

[@justsomeguywithaplan971]

So alastors entire look is probably to show that on earth he was a false smile in a suit who hid his true self and Charlie's is basically she's almost human but somethings always off

[@unknowncreature7714]

@@justsomeguywithaplan971 Actually, Charlie is a hell-born. She had this form due to her parents genes.

[@sarahzahira7432]

@@unknowncreature7714 agree

[@justsomeguywithaplan971]

@@unknowncreature7714 actually while she is hell born her look isn't due to her parents genes her look is completely false and forced like a fake smile in a way she basically took the form of a human in a very basic sense but couldn't get rid of strange skin tones or anything else true Charlie has large horns with red tips bright red eyes and razor sharp teeth and if I remember short claw like nails

[@alatissketch3504]

@@justsomeguywithaplan971 no you missed the point viv said all he’ll born demons have a regular demon look and there “demon” look nothing is false about that I don’t know where you got that idea from so her genes are due to her parents looks because demons can give birth to other demons not human who feel from hell

[@REM171]

I hope Visypop sees this, especially the “I WANNA SEE CHARLE HUG GOD!”

[@kiarara7014]

Ah yes, *Visypop*

[@professorhistericodynamite9]

This would be cute

[@wolfsanimated]

YES!!! DEFINITELY!!! ABSOLUTELY!!!

[@xenathornburg2416]

When you look at Society's look on everyone's beliefs, Vivieanne's depictions of hell and heaven are actually accurate.

[@xenathornburg2416]

And like Finn was hinting at, I do think Moxxie and Collin would def be friends.

[@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan]

define heaven

[@ButterflyBlossom6415]

How?

[@impcityangel3245]

How is it accurate when everyone thinks that Hell is where human souls are tortured forever?

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@impcityangel3245 Exactly

[@lake2358]

"It's even possible that they twisted 'God's word' to fit to their own self serving agenda" now WHERE have i heard that before 🧍🏻‍♂️

[@mattp2788]

It should be noted that Cletus (the baby Cherub) stole Lyle's wallet during the house scene at 5:55 in the original episode.

[@sabercat5490]

It more like he just took it up gave it to the other angel and threw it on the ground to prove a point.

[@mattp2788]

@@sabercat5490 his reaction to seeing the wallet was to go wide-eyed, take it, and stared at it until Keenie (the yellow one) took it.

[@hobomike6935]

Lyle doesn't need it anymore, he's trying to get him to realize that

[@Angelinaactually]

@@mattp2788 no offense but you’re reaching lol

[@dabearodactyl]

deletus cletus

[@fireblast133]

Charlie would be perfectly justified hugging god. She is his granddaughter after all.

[@rroobnz]

How exactly? Just curious.

[@fireblast133]

@@rroobnz well, the archangels are basically God’s first children. Not ones of mortal kind. Lucifer, Charlie’s father, is one of these archangels. Therefore, God is Charlie’s Grandpa.

[@supersasukemaniac]

the evolution of Helluva boss thus far: Pilot : "Zim said fuck!!" Episode 1: "Wait, demons have morals?" Episode 2: "Stolas is best dad and Octavia is best girl." Episode 3: "The things we do for a Parking space." Episode 4: "I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HEAVEN AND THE RIGHTOUS SIDE OF HELL!!"

[@holoangelheartowocertified4942]

Well said

[@IzukuIXLilly]

Episode 5: "Ram Ranch Minus The Ram..."

[@laserdonkey6469]

@@IzukuIXLilly 18 naked Incubus in the showers at ram raaaanch

[@tobsonasanya4765]

I don't get the epsidoe 4 part

[@IzukuIXLilly]

@@tobsonasanya4765 the Angels in episode 4 got booted out of heaven for killing someone Accidentally...

[@Uay778]

My guess is the demonic form you take does reflect on what you did in life and possibly what kills you as a way of haunting you in your next life and possibly is more noticeable if you were a big sinner. Alastor was a cannibal so he has a wendigo/ deer like form, Angel dust and his family are spider like because they had lives linked to their “web of crime” so seeing as those two were inventors it’d make sense their forms would have a machine like form or powers.

[@BeartifulAri]

I have my doubts, God may just be "corrupted" in this reality too, but the idea of Charlie and God/Grandad sharing a hug is frikken adorable- I love to see family bonding. ;- ;

[@winxgirl2072]

Same

[@KeeKage37]

7:50 I don’t know. The male sheep cherub seems genuin. At least with the look he gives. Also I can’t help but feel like he’s the Moxie of the group. Only with no wife.

[@melnay1352]

I’ve been living for the Moxxie/Millie moments in this series. Moxxie losing it when Millie was in danger and firing recklessly into the crowd while they made out had me rolling.

[@mere2508]

There: Cherub wasn’t trying to undie a person so they will stay on earth so they can live longer, it was their ultimate plan to torture the person, even if they’re on a ventilator and dying, they belonged in hell the whole time

[@vidmaster6451]

Id like to think he somehow guessed the creators entire future story line and the creator is just sitting there like "shit....to many hints"

[@Beelzebubbbb-e9d]

I think when Keenie said “your kind” she wasn’t talking about all citizens of hell she was specifically talking about the imps this is further backed up by the next thing she says “that shitty dead people tret on (referring to imps)” imps being the lowest class of demon also helps us know why she believes sinners can walk all over them

[@MadnessBomber]

The worst part is that God probably gave up entirely because humans became more and more corrupted. Remember the "family" in episode 1?

[@randomgreek5682]

God: ok time to check up on humanity (looks at humanity for 5 seconds and only sees evil and corrupt) God: fuck it I’m out of here

[@MadnessBomber]

@@randomgreek5682 Yep. Pretty much.

[@Scarshadow666]

If Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel start leaning harder in an even more cynical direction, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened (kinda reminds me of how God was portrayed in Jhonen Vasquez's Johnny the Homicidal Maniac comicbooks, but with more agency).

[@greatwavefan397]

@@randomgreek5682 That's actually biblically accurate.

[@MatthewChenault]

The fact God hasn’t destroyed them all shows that God is benevolent. He has every right to simply destroy everything and start over again, but He does not.

[@DarkMasterofCupcakes]

I kind of wonder if the cherubs getting banned from re-entering Heaven is going to be a bit of foreshadowing for Charlie's plan in Hazbin Hotel having issues even if she can get Sinners to be willing to genuinely seek redemption. After all, the ultimate goal is presumably to have the redeemed souls "transfer" to Heaven to free up more space in Hell, and if Heaven isn't willing to even give their own residents a chance at redemption in order to be allowed back in, I can't see them being willing to just open the pearly gates to souls who had, in their eyes, already proven themselves to be unworthy of entering Heaven in the first place.

[@tazien]

I want the Charlie theory to be right so bad... my god, that would be amazing though. The granddaughter of God, daughter of the banished son of God, (which, i see Viv doing for her rendition of hell) helping to set things right for both worlds. It would be a pretty beautiful way to wrap it all up.

[@shcdemolisher]

Yeah! That would be amazing!

[@BluKUMO]

“I wanna see Charlie HUG god” Charlie: and i will! Just watch me! ( at least i hope) this video, i agree with EVERYTHING you had said.

[@deathdefying1472]

Heaven doesn’t seem like a good place Especially if they kick you out for a accidental murder while they were fighting literal demons Also that poster in the paper basically explains that God in this universe is not good

[@youknowthatguy8808]

I thought it was like the bigoted priests and 'christians' who twist the words of god

[@where_r_you6890]

@@youknowthatguy8808 agreed

[@marcushansen2807]

My head canon? Heaven in Hellava Boss = Mortal Kombat Orderrealm.

[@legacyzdeluxe7156]

The poster is a reference to the show of the voice actor of collin

[@horror_fanboi.3199]

Definitely would wanna be a demon in this universe

[@justanokguy3347]

The idea of Charlie being a fallen angel helping God is a nice full circle

[@Rainbowhawk1993]

Someone needs to make a Collin/Moxxie Comic where they talk to each other and become friends.

[@JaxonHex]

The best part of this episode is it feels the creator is calling out all the 'nice' people in the world, those who don't really care about others, just how they look. And it could be sutle jab to those who keep bringing up her past and not letting her move on,

[@rompevuevitos222]

What past? i haven't heard anything bad about her so far

[@JaxonHex]

@@rompevuevitos222 Check Twitter about her. People had been attacking her a joke she made back in high school in the early 2010s. She had said sorry, but they keep tearing her down, saying she's awful and stuff like that, even go as far as call her a p3do since some of her villain ideas are ones.

[@strawberrymilk607]

@@JaxonHex Over the years Vivienne has "been accused of drawing zoophilia, drawing underage sex, stealing/copying character designs," from what I have seen these rumors have already been debunked but with how popular Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is, she sadly gets a lot of hate for the past controversies. :,) And to summarize what one person on Reddit said, with popular works that have LGBTQ+ characters in it, it is fairly common to see it get criticism from people within the community who view it as perpetuating stereotypes and having problematic themes. Even a fun kid friendly show like Steven Universe. In Vivzie's case, I have seen people point out that Angel Dust is drawn from stereotypes about gay men and sex workers, and the unfortunate implication that Hell is mostly filled with LGBT characters That being said I don't think Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are problematic or homophobic, quite the opposite in fact. In any case I separate the art from the artist and Vivzie's art is really good 💜

[@JaxonHex]

@@strawberrymilk607 I know, i was telling some to look at twitter from what i know. I don't use twitter because i would go made from all the shit on there. And I can agree, thought i honestly could go with out a dancing in some of Steven Universe episodes, it did have good moments. And as for it being problematic, many of the charters in there seem to be in Hell for other reasons. Angel Dust was part of drug family that delt with meth, Alister was a serial killer, and Charri most likely a bomber. And a lot of the others were born in hell, like Moxxie, Blitzo, and Charlie. And I also love how that complain that there was homophobic charater in the pilot. Their in HELL, do expect everyone to be a saint?

[@strawberrymilk607]

@@JaxonHex Yep, the news reporter from the pilot of Hazbin Hotel (can't seem to quite recall her name right now) is shown to be pretty aggressive and unlikable, it's clear to see that the writers are not portraying her homophobic comments in a good way and do not condone it. In any case my comment was meant to elaborate on some of the accusations and rumors you mentioned or didn't mention for anyone who is curious 💜 I don't use Twitter either because of all the unnecessary drama :,)

[@jaelyyymar8071]

I actually feel like the money part where they immediately grab his wallet is the first hint at their true nature. They don’t care about what he wants to use the money for, or even notice he’s getting worse as they talk. They’re just like, “Ah yes. This is good for _us_ to look better.” Edit: I forgot the part at the very beginning where Cletus is talking everyone up. “Guess you did something good to get here!” = “Guess I definitely am good to be here!”

[@tobsonasanya4765]

I don't get . They wanted to show him why he should not kill themselves