Firebreathing With Mineral Oil (and blasting fireballs with my vortex canon)

[@Nighthawkinlight]

Check out Shaye's video from this day of filming here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJWzhYKNoreinpY

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

NightHawkInLight, pleasure doing this with you :]

[@MettaMiner]

Hell I think I know shaye. I think we went to the same highschool. Crazy world.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Ethen, you are correct.

[@invisghostie6204]

fire breathing vortex canon 0__o

[@TechsScience]

NightHawkInLight Will you put my channel's link to your video description?

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Looks great, glad to have been able to take part in this awesome experiment!! :]

[@ProPyroPower]

OHYEAH!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Justin Bozeman, the mineral oil I use is specifically consumption grade. Though baby oil is mineral oil, typically it's not consumption grade and may have fragrance added.

[@christopherhurley2570]

I'm glad you guys collabed on this, your channel is underrated TFTM and I'm a fan of the PCRT series. :D

[@what.4849]

I'm just glad you still have eyebrows. XD

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

@@christopherhurley2570, thank you :)

[@SwingingTheDead1]

Some of the BEST fire I've ever seen on film.

[@gawayne1374]

The parrot is always my favorite part of the video XD

[@vokun1518]

safety is number one priority ! (crazy russian hacker style)

[@sirociper]

Sefty eez nahmba wan prerarrty

[@EnjoyerofYoutube]

Shaye was a great guest to have. Clearly knows his stuff! Thanks for the recommendation, Ben!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Well thank you very much!

[@EnjoyerofYoutube]

You're welcome! I'm really enjoying your videos. Lots of detailed, clear explanations and insight.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Thank you, I am always happy to hear stuff like that. Makes content creation so much more worth while to me :)

[@EnjoyerofYoutube]

Awesome, man :)

[@nicholassilva6813]

"safety is Number one priority " reminds me of a very Kul guy

[@USWaterRockets]

Stunningly beautiful flames in the slow motion clips. Awesome stuff!

[@ojsojs246]

hacker.

[@jzerious4523]

this was uploaded aug 14 but ur comment is from 2 days ago

[@USWaterRockets]

I'm doing a Time Travel collaboration video with +NightHawkInLight. ;-)

[@USWaterRockets]

I have a ton of footage for two huge projects filmed and narrated. The videos feature a new design I want to do a separate video about because I use it in both projects. I just finished shooting the video for that, so as editing time permits new content is coming. Thanks for asking!

[@Droo343]

10 times out of 10 I will sit through your promotional bit if bird is involved. More birb participation in videos ^^

[@Blakehx]

Wow thank you for another great video of such cool and interesting stuff! Nothing beats your pro shots with a high speed camera... it's crazy what beautiful and amazing things we "see" all the time but can't really SEE and fully appreciate! Best channel on KZbin!

[@therealfranklin]

An offhand guess about the vortex deflection: hot fluids have a lower viscosity (this is why some of the old Ford engines didn't have cooling passages around the exhaust ports: while a lower exhaust port temp would theoretically lead to a lower pressure, the lower viscosity from the uncooled exhaust would still evacuate the gasses faster (yes, it's a bit of an edge case, but it worked)) and your vortex ring has a very low specific heat, so it picks up the flame heat quickly enough to cause that side of the vortex to accelerate.

The flames coherent structures are insane!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Arn't they amazing?

[@dwaynewladyka577]

This is really awesome. Sort of like what you'd see at a KISS concert. Glad you are also showing how to do this safely.

[@minicrop]

have you tried firing the vortex cannon with it full of a flammable gas instead of smoke? it'd be amazing if the rings could be ignited in mid air.

[@rens2998]

damn, those are some amazing shots

[@mikoajjaros3570]

You really deserve more views and subscribers, unlike some other KZbinrs your content isn't getting worse, it's actually getting better over time

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Agreed every release he does is better than the last.

[@mackman9944]

Thumbs up for Crazy Russian Hacker reference!

[@Peter_S_]

👍 BOOM!

[@youtube.commentator]

Check out this human flame thrower gajick

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

I don't know what you are talking about ;)

[@rasmus1600]

Fantastic footage of the fireball!! I like your ending with how you made your thumbnail! Keep up the good work :D

[@andriik6788]

Safety is number one priority! :D But where are the glasses??

[@MREnderman1234]

You should shoot the vortex through a high voltage arc.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Man fires vortex through high voltage arc! What happens next may shock you...

[@locouk]

I love it when 2 great channels come together!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Green Silver, :]

[@dbayboyds409]

Wicked video mate! I’ve never thought about fire shadows before but now it makes sense

[@lawsonporter6113]

This is amazing, great camera work!

[@piranha031091]

That fireball deflecting a vortex mid-air is cool as f*ck! Like some wizards casting spells at each other!

[@H3xx99]

So, when Firebreathing, it's important not to spit into the wind... This is good advice at all times.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

That is true.

[@WaltRBuck]

Its best not to tug on superman's cape, and you dont mess around with slim.

[@Lacksi12]

You should look and see whether you can contact Destin from SmarterEveryDay he did a lot of work with vorteces (mainly head on collisions) maybe he could bring some knowledge about what exactly is going on here to the table?

[@OfficialyMax]

Everyone watches the sponsor just to see his birb :3

[@OrionCrusader]

I gotta say, the vortex ring at 8:27 looks super dope as it approaches the fireball.

[@trent5807]

This probably works better in thought, but could you have had Shaye try to create a fine mist from behind the vortex cannon before firing it into a torch, causing the vortex ring to consist mainly of mineral oil?

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Trent Beckman, you almost had my name right friend XD Interesting thought.

[@trent5807]

TrollFaceTheMan Sorry about that, just fixed it. Nice work, by the way.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

No problem I misspell stuff all the time, especially on phone :p and thank you.

[@ayualiafifah8014]

Jjoo

[@tyholbrook7664]

At 8:30 you can see very briefly what I imagine would be the result of what your proposed. Looks like some mineral oil was sucked into the vortex cannon just before it fired, and the result was a very sharp plume of fire, before disapating

[@That_Guy5575]

*clicks video notification* *likes video* *scrolls through comments while ad plays* *settles back and enjoy the video as it starts*

[@electronicsNmore]

Excellent video! I like that wireless mic. Very good sound quality.

[@Nighthawkinlight]

Yeah it's really great, it's Tascam's DR-10L recorder and a $30 lav mic off amazon I saw good reviews for. The recorder is tiny enough that I forget I'm wearing it.

[@electronicsNmore]

I need to get one, my "so-so" audio is getting old. Thanks for the reply!

[@TheHarleyEvans]

it's quite interesting to see that the fireball remains in a sort of bloom with nice rounded edges (like flames unaffected by gravity) and then either after the internal (i would assume electromagnetic) forces have less generation as fuel depletes, or that the vortex interrupts this process that the edges of the fireball begin to fray and behave more like what we expect from a typical flame

[@wivvy1]

This vortex cannon mixed with the butterfly effect is probably why we have such bad hurricanes lol

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Haha, maybe... What does the fire do though? Global Warming..?

[@Odood19]

Always going for the best shots, awesome work!

[@DoNotPushHere]

Hi there! Quick question here. At 8:29 is the vortex catching fire right at the "muzzle" or is it reflecting (how???) the flame above it? Would this last case be some kind of internal reflexion inside the thoroid? Now I can't help wondering... Thanks for another amazing experiment!

[@Nighthawkinlight]

The cannon catches some drops of mineral oil and ignites them in the vortex

[@357smallblock]

You are atomizing the air when spitting and vortex just adds to the chaos of the flame

[@felixpellerin7741]

Also, the misting also makes the particles smaller, so its easyer for the fire to heat them up and get to the flahs point because it has less thermal mass

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

You have a very valid point there too.

[@mika1998125]

Fire looks so cool in slow motion

[@domineech]

I love how you always come up with new interesting stuff. I'd like to see you try burning plastic in a gasifier type setup and getting oil or even diesel from it?

[@Yonatan24]

Did you color grade the fire clips, do mineral oil fires look that incredible vs regular fires, or does fire actually look that amazing in real life?

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Yonatan24, depends on what you mean specifically. I'd say his footage is pretty close to real life.

[@Leonardokite]

Now that looked like a lot of fun!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

It was, trust me :D

[@Leonardokite]

😀👍 Yup, you torchin' and NightHawk adding some physics effects.

[@staropolanka]

Hi Amigo - what model of camera did you use to capture this amazing content?

[@Nighthawkinlight]

GH5s

[@staropolanka]

@@Nighthawkinlight Cheers !

[@ScienceByMike]

I would have never guessed that it would deflect. The vortex probably picks up thermal energy but the speed is probably slower. The vortex gets destabilized as it passes through, giving up its O to the reaction and running into turbulence from the flame. Just my thoughts tho.

[@Aquapod9]

Dang! That was a cool video! I'm consistently amazed with the nature in the background (this coming from a southwesterner, not much green down here) what part of the country is this? It looks beautiful!

[@Nighthawkinlight]

Michigan

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Yep.

[@pawn5253]

Ill be honest the texture of the flame in slowmo is amazing.

[@ThistlesGarden]

It was cool to see you team up with another youtuber.

[@dontquestionjustbelieve5757]

is there any way to get something like corn starch into your vortex cannon? maybe make a mist of cornstarch in front of the cannon just before you fire it?

[@magana559]

Always a quality video! You're awesome!

[@alan_whoneedstiedye]

Crazy cool. Thanks for sharing.

[@justintime5021]

I come for the awesome vids but I stay for the bird at the end

[@shikiaura]

I'm going to sound like such a pleb, but man, that fire doesn't even look real. Such high detail and a slow camera. Fire is beautiful, whether going fast or seen slow

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Trust me I agree, as said I my video it looks almost like CGI.

[@timcoleman8964]

Nice mushroom effect also!

[@a.d.1103]

Hey. It is very interesting. Try to shoot carbon dioxide. This will be the beginning of the development of techniques for extinguishing oil fires. Can you show a new physical phenomenon?

[@MettaMiner]

On the topic of why the toroid accelerates, I can't give you an exact answer because it's pretty hard to analyze something like this, but whenever flow changes direction, the reason is pressure. It is often helpful to consider how the pressure in flow field changes. My guess is that the pressure on the outer ends of the toroid increases as a result of heating up. I could also be thinking about this entirely wrong because like I said, there is a lot going on there.

[@lurchie]

Thank you for sharing this. I see so many idiots who have seen fire breathing on youtube and have no consideration for safety.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Jeff Behn, safety is what I always try to instill :)

[@olioli4057]

I like to call the end of your videos Bird bribery It’s too cute!

[@tommyperez2952]

If you had cornstarch inside the vortex cannon, would the vortex itself catch on fire?

[@HeirloomReviews]

those are some massive fireballs! great video my friend : )

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

I only do the biggest and hottest balls my friend :]

[@anderray9794]

Cool shots as always

[@eidolor]

Was glad to hear Applied Science worked in there. What could be suspended in the vortex and not burn, or would be a more visible gas? Maybe even try a thermal camera, uv filter and/or some schlieren setup. Loading the cannon with crushed dry ice might help too.

[@jdrmurphy4141]

Good stuff. Really cool.

[@boomfiziks]

Great work and some awesome shots. I'm curious, would there be a way to create vortex fireball? Perhaps, place a flammable gas into the vortex cannon and aim it at a flame. No matter what happens, it's always a good day when you try to combine fire with a vortex. :-)

[@Nighthawkinlight]

I've been working on that for a long time. Kevin at Backyard Scientist sort of got it to work but not in the way I'd like to make happen

[@charleslambert3368]

Maybe spraying a mist of mineral oil into the vortex gun, or generating a mist using an ultrasonic fogger would work. It might burn for longer than a flammable gas.

[@dkdisme]

New viewer......and I am IMPRESSED!

[@AmatiCermati]

I like that scene where the vortex hits the flame

[@gusmartin6053]

Flames cast shadows?! This is confusing because you can shine a laser beam through a flame and there is no apparent dimming of the light. I'm going to have to check out the video about this to understand whats going on. This is why I love this channel and others line it. There are always surprising things that you need to study closer to understand whats really going on. Thanks for the great video!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

They cast shadows in very specific circumstances, the type of light will affect it too. For example Blue light will be more likely to scatter more when passing through a flame then red light. But keep in mind it's not the light casting a shadow but the disturbances from the gasses. Photons can't typically interact. The other way they can cast shadows is by having elements in the flame that absorb the light and either re-emit it in all directions or simply absorb it and convert it into heat.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Search TheNakedScientist Dark Flame Experiment in google to find a cool page on their site showing a demo and giving a bit of explanation.

[@FrancisR420]

I know the heat from Flames causes a pressure difference that causes atmospheric lensing that makes wavy Shadows but I would think any proper Shadow would come from the smoke

[@TealCheetah]

I'd buy anything that bird sells (if I had money)

[@furlockfurli2719]

I must be wrong, but the vortex extinguishes the fire in my opinion. Could that be?

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

There were some points in which the vortex would extinguish and others where it helped. Much like blowing on a small fire helps it but blowing on a candle will likely put it out. If it hit when the fuel was almost depleted it put it out, if it hit right in the mass of the spray it flared typically.

[@boocchihitori4450]

Is that a CRH refrences

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

It's possible :]

[@scottlund4562]

What the Heck BEN! I was JUST yesterday wondering if my vortex cannon could do this successfully with a volatile vapor and, if with my mustache remaining intact, I could give fire breathing a shot with lamp oil...now I'll stick to mineral oil, thanks!. Can't wait to see the rest of the video.

[@ojsojs246]

you are very... killing me. "what the heck ben" ever heard of "the ben heck show"?

[@scottlund4562]

No clue about the Ben Heck show, I'll Google. My phrase was in reference to how the wife and I just talk about something and often the next day it is on KZbin recommendations ...now my favorite channels seem clairvoyant.

[@scottlund4562]

Thanks OJ for the Ben Heck mention, after 20 seconds I subscribed. Cheers

[@captainbubbles5509]

Looks like a mushroom cloud when the cann ok n is hitting the fireball from below

[@NitroJonScience]

Amazing! Must try...

[@evanro2396]

If you found a safe way to do it you should try mixing some of the mineral oil vapor in with the vortex that you shot and light it with the fire breathing.

[@yetaldom1587]

where could I get this mineral oil? Really good video, thanks a lot

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

For me I got it at a farm supply.

[@nachtdiertje1972]

Hahaha, great to see your bodylanguage during the demo... It says interesting, but I WANNA RUN !!!!

[@longhoacaophuc8293]

did you try to make a vortex gun that can shoot mineral oil?

[@johnwahlers3363]

Great video, I would've liked to see this at night. Sequel video? I think so.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

:]

[@dcraig4]

I hate when people say that safety is the number one priority. If that was true you wouldn't be doing the thing that is potentially unsafe. Safety is, at best, second.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

GTX Machine, safty is number uno when it comes to doing the dangerous thing. It's like if a car manufacturer says they prioritize safety of their passengers. By the logic you are trying to argue then that also is not true for them to say as the safest thing you could probably do is sit in a padded room of your house and never leave. Therby unless they could make said car as safe as said padded room then they can't say anything about prioritizing safety because it is always going to be inherently less safe than the safest thing you could do. In otherwords saying anyone prioritizes safety at any point ever would then just become a simple lie. So what it comes down to is semantics of implied reasoning (Reffering to the statement. ) You are inherently right if you take it in the sense of we are saying "We prioritize safety as number 1 of everything." But the unspoken part is "We prioritize safety as number 1 when it comes to us doing this dangerous act we are doing..." We are not saying what we are doing is safe but instead that we are trying to do it safely as we can. If that makes sense?

[@mangosquirrel]

welcome to my laboratory

[@aaroncameron1494]

A collaboration with Destin from smarter everyday would be nice

[@xeromist]

Might the vortex deflection just be due to encountering the higher pressure of the expanding hot gasses?

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

xeromist, density difference is what I was thinking too. But it could be multiple factors coupling together.

[@EatThaCookies]

I see the dovahkiin is enjoying his retirement.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Yol Toor Shul‎!!

[@sciguyisanerd]

super cool!!

[@magana559]

I wonder if the deflection is caused by different densities and rotational velocity of the vortex. Kind of how a bullet ricochetes off water.

[@jamesfirth7795]

Should have used the vortex cannon to fire a mist of the mineral oil past an ignition source - shooting fireballs (fire-rings?) instead of blasting them.

[@phoenixlogic6927]

The shadow looks like a demon pointing! haha

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Ryan Griffiths, time?

[@phoenixlogic6927]

TrollFaceTheMan 10:17

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Ah I see it.

[@Hexalyse]

Hahaha the CrazyRussianHacker reference made me laugh. Love this guy too.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Mr Nobody :)

[@Hexalyse]

Hey, TrollFace! Subbed to your channel btw. Some cool content there :)

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Mr Nobody, well thank you.

[@lehiolivier2229]

i have always wanted to see this done with a co2 vortex ring

[@WetDoggo]

I think the edge of the vortex is moving quicker because of the hot gasses and therefore thinner atmosphere

[@richardsolomon8076]

Very cool

[@schelsullivan]

I'm surprised you didn't try the fire breathing!

[@Nighthawkinlight]

I might if we do a follow up video

[@luca-qt2ss]

Fire is so beautifull

[@wideout3485]

Way late to the party but you should have put flower in your vortex cannon, xtreme fireball

[@jessimarcus1194]

I like how the first thing you see is a guy vaping into torch.

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Not just any guy... The Troll... The Face... The Man...

[@CruisinCaptures]

The greenpowerscience channel has talked about how flames cast shadows before that other guy.

[@Lukegear]

I wonder... About those old "pyro system" projects people used to make, which were wrist mounted, hand controlled, flamethrowers, the obvious choice used to be butane and people made all sorts of mechanisms for valve control. But I always disliked the safety hazards that could arrive from something leaking. What if someone made a pyro system based around pressurized mineral oil being misted in spray nozzles and then ignited? Would make for some cool fireballs with much less fire hazard I think

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Lukegear, hmm interesting project idea.

[@billclark5943]

Atomizing is probably more accurate term when explaining what's happening to the mineral oil

[@darkman452]

This guy is the bearded dragon

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Fair enough XD

[@PyroThunder]

Doesn’t that mineral oil taste terrible? I could imagine it does! Cool video!

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

Neutral taste. Texture is what off puts people, doesn't bother me though

[@ethancolmer8787]

Ben, the Ace crew says hi we found out what you do with all the stuff you buy

[@theedge5584]

Atomized mineral oil??? So a engine could maybe be injected with mineral oil and run???????

[@TrollFaceTheMan]

For sure, just like engine can run on used motor oil or veggie oil.

[@monday9781]

Try to make a flamethrower that propells by rocket candy, like a hot handheld fountain