Firefighter falls through floor - MAYDAY

[@cody9444]

Police officer here, even tho we tease each one of each other I have much respect for my firefighter brothers, great video much love from Pennsylvania

[@kpopfan674]

Yet you don't give a toss about the public, the very people you're supposed to protect and serve. Scum.

[@preppingforlife264]

As a volunteer Firefighter I truly enjoy these videos, I have no actual training other than on the job! But I want to serve my community, I greatly appreciate them

[@Stacker_Actual]

In the army we called it “the fatal funnel”. Too many ppl on top of each other at a choke point is a no go. 3 ppl MAX on a line depending on the situation is the SOP we run off at our department. Absolutely great video.

[@tomarmstrong4761]

Not a firefighter, but it also seems that having that many people in that confined space would mean that if the guy on the nozzle had to bail in a hurry, it would be a lot of people to push out of the way.

[@Stacker_Actual]

@@tomarmstrong4761 exactly. Everyone tripping over everyone. As a door kicker that’s where the lead being shot would be concentrated. Hence the name “fatal funnel”. Get in, get out, get moving.

[@captainconway2236]

@@tomarmstrong4761 exactly, and all it would take to take everyone out is a guy at the end of the hall spraying at full auto, or in the case of firefighters, a door that opens with a violent back-draft, meanwhile everyone is stumbling over each other to get out of the line of fire.

[@CWPTraining]

We called them Murder Tunnels

[@LTBROYT6A]

I agree 100 percent with your assessment of this incident !!! I have been in the fire service for 53 years, I joined my local volunteer fire company in April of 1969 when I was 17. On 11/11/1974 I was appointed to the Baltimore City Fire Department and assigned to the Fire Academy for the next 16 weeks. After graduating Top of my class I was assigned to Truck 17, the instructors told me to to take my PJ’s as it was a middle class neighbor and we didn’t get many fires in our district. There was an up side to that as we would transfer to cover other stations on all 2nd alarms and wound up on all of the major fires on our shift. I only spent a few years as a firefighter, as I promoted to Pump Operator. The following year I took the Emergency Vehicle Driver test and took a slight step backwards so I could get back into interior firefighting. In 1984 I promoted to Lieutenant. As it turned out I spent most of my career in the ghetto fighting lots of fire. Around 2000 I received my Instructor 1,2,3 certifications, and a year and a half I became an adjunct instructor and would teach at the Academy on my days off for comp time. After a few months I showed up to help teach a class, and the Captain in charge of Recruit Training told me that he needed to talk to me. I was thinking, what did I do wrong !!! As it turned he told me that that he and the academy Chief liked what they saw as I incorporated Safety, and work Smarter not Harder into my classes, and asked if I would be interested in being long term detailed for the duration of the next recruit class. Half way through the class I put my transfer in for the academy and a couple months later I was Assigned to the Academy for the next 5 years until I was promoted to Captain and was assigned to Engine Co. 35 in the southern end of the city, where I stayed until I retired on August 24, 2013 after 38 years 9 months and 12 days with the Baltimore City Fire Department. Barry P. Broyles, Captain Retired, Baltimore City Fire Department I watch many Fire Videos on KZbin and can’t believe many of the things I see being done on firegrounds, and things that I don’t see being done that I consider are must be done on all fires. My biggest Peeve that I see on Pre-arrival videos is when the first engine arrives on scene, is people in full turnouts walking around doing nothing while the Structure Burns. The worst was a rural volunteer department that took 15 minutes to stretch the first hand line and put water on the fire while several so called firefighters walked around and around the House. In my opinion once the Engine arrives on the scene and stops someone on that wagon should immediately step out and grab a hose line and start stretching and flaking it out within a couple seconds and call for water and immediately put the BLUE stuff on the RED stuff. It’s not that hard.

[@mike_pertz]

Thanks for commenting Cap! This is one of my favorite things about this channel...young firefighters can scroll through the comments and hear from decades of experience to learn from those that came before them.

[@LTBROYT6A]

@@mike_pertz We should talk sometime !!!

[@DeRocco21]

safetly? you killed rachel wilson

[@juicewrld5884]

​@@DeRocco21what exactly are you talking about?

[@hunterpaylor9522]

Good video . My buddy just had a close call about 2 months ago. Had to call mayday. Fell through second floor to the first floor. He had to be airlifted to DC. I think they said about 35% of his body's third degree burns. He's doing better lot of skincraft surgery

[@mike_pertz]

Glad he’s doing better!

[@mgratk]

God bless him. Tell him there are random internet people praying for him, like me. Hopefully he is doing a lot better now.

[@dannac_8888]

Still sending healing energy and support his way a year later. 🙏

[@Steve-cu1ye]

I had building fall on me and all the engineers took off running Cuz they didn't have any gear on.....I think engineer are cowards becareful if you around people not wearing gear on fire scene and fat out of shape

[@fireguy284]

Something else I noticed was the lack of door control. Time and time again we inadvertently cause a fire to grow rapidly by the introduction of a good oxygen flow. You can see it at the staircase in a rapid updraft. Door open on the bottom floor, relatively close to the stairs in an already ventilated fire with a small handline can suddenly put you fighting a losing battle. The smaller handline may have been enough until the rapid fire growth and now suddenly it's not. Just an observation I saw on this video. Thanks for the breakdown and thanks to the men and women in this department for putting in the work. Let's all learn together how to be better at what we do.

[@zephyer-gp1ju]

Do you think there was an actual explosion or just a big introduction of air being pushed into the fire?

[@Cris-qd8pc]

Starting my senior year and aspiring to be a firefighter/paramedic and your videos are probably the best on KZbin!

[@mike_pertz]

Thank you!

[@paw.7133]

Firefighter Now for insight, and FD CHRONICLES for the laughs.

[@TheBlacksimth]

Before you become a firefighter young padawon, you must first master the art of sweeping and mopping the floors.

[@swizzy1878]

@@TheBlacksimth And washing thy dishes

[@theroachden6195]

@@TheBlacksimth and washing the rigs.

[@coolhashbrown7116]

I've always been taught LIP, location identification and problem. I personally feel like (and this is my opinion) that LUNAR may be a tad complicated in such an adrenaline filled moment. LIP tells where your at, your name or number, and what the problem is, simple and easier to remember.

[@ryanbogle2721]

That’s one is nice cause I see what you mean in my academy we were doing firefighter survival training and I was trying to give a lunar report I was tripping up over my words cause my heart was beating so fast

[@mike_pertz]

I like that... I've never heard that before, I agree that's much easier to remember!

[@jacquelineenserink9141]

We use LIPA the A is just for Actions. Like trying to self rescue. Or breach a wall to find refuge

[@dirk5384]

Who! Where! What! After that command should acknowledge the mayday and can get the LUNAR. Remember, when you call a mayday you might not be able to give all the information ℹ️ Does it help sure but if you’re hurt or your ass is on fire you probably won’t remember acronyms.

[@scottdenommee7361]

You from MA? That’s what I’ve been taught too and haven’t seen it elsewhere.

[@ericweiler6571]

The guy is great. I can't tell you how many times I'm watching a video of a fire and see something the firefighters did and wish I could ask a firefighter why they did what they did. He explains things so well. Great channel

[@enid0mom]

I think the reason it was so clear on the lower floor is because the fire has self vented. There is clearly airflow going up the stairs. Opening the front door gave even more flow through. It was still crazy for all those firefighters going behind one nozzle.

[@MeBeatngU]

Yessir, definitely fire through the roof when they make location. That’s exactly why it’s clear, the smoke has lifted.

[@perryfire1]

That was frustrating to watch. What was lacking was movement, especially the nozzle. I would note the stream seemed under-pressurized but more importantly a 2 1/2 would have been great with that many people available and that much fire. But that is why it is so important to keep that nozzle moving and flowing all around. I didn't hear a whole lot water hitting anything or see much darkening down. And even if you knock down fire as you go, you should always check periodically to make sure it didn't reignite behind you. The nozzle man has to be aggressive and everybody supporting him has to make sure he can do his job unimpeded. There has been many a fire i've gone to where the nozzle man camps out at the top of the stairs for way too long. If the floor is sound you have to move to find additional fire as well as letting your buddies pass you either to pull ceiling or deploy an additional handline. Did this guy fall through the floor completely or just get hung up? Hopefully he didn't get too hurt. Mike makes a great point though about too many people too close together. If you figure each firefighter is going to weigh around 250 lbs with gear and 6 of them are concentrating their weight on a fire weakened floor then it doesn't take a genius to know you are overloading the building and collapse could occur. That is why hose team drills are so important and why DISCIPLINE on the fire scene is crucial. That goes for every member of the team.

[@Lithane97]

Seemed like he just got hungup, probably between floor joists? Pretty sure you can see them dragging him back down the stairs.

[@erdropoff]

I agree it made my head hurt to watch. They moved further in with almost no darkening down. Clealry the water application wasn't working. I agree with the 2 1/2 as well as they should have had another handling working if 2 1/2 for some reason wasn't an option.

[@montanamornings8526]

I disagree w 2 1/2. 1 3/4” can give you close to same gpm but way more maneuverable

[@perryfire1]

@@montanamornings8526 The 2 1/2 and 1 3/4 aren't even close in gpm ratings. But yeah, a 1 3/4 could have put out that fire. I was just pointing out with that many people bunched up they could have easily maneuvered a 2 1/2 into place, and extinguishment would have happened sooner. Interestingly, some departments have gone to a 2 inch hose for a best of both worlds scenario. It's harder to handle than a 1 3/4 but the increased gpm makes a big difference.

[@montanamornings8526]

@@perryfire1 you can get 225 gpm out of an 1”3/4.

[@monusbrewer4911]

I was a member of a small VFD, 2 engines, 2 takers and a rescue truck. Everything we had always rolled and very rarely did we have 6 or 7 people at a fire. We always teamed up and did double duty. The chief always worked as pump op and a LT normally lead a 3 person interior attack team(s). We also had pretty poor hydrant coverage so the we set up a dump tank and slow flowed from one tanker and the other would fill up... constantly rolling... a lot of times other departments would be showing up for mutual aid but we made due with what we had. Stay safe!

[@rodimus371]

I don’t like throwing any brothers under the bus , but this was amateur at best . Miracle no one got killed . Great video thanks for posting I will use this as a training video with my crew.

[@martalex1000]

Great video. Im still a probie at my department but its easy to spot alot of mistakes, glad they're all ok

[@chrismcqueen2302]

Never ever get complacent! You do bad shit happens. Stay safe and do work

[@BootsofBlindingSpeed]

Australian here & what he said about fire gettin behind ya is 100% spot on. When you hear that roar from behind & you realise it's gotcha surrounded or worse your mates, it's nasty bloody stuff. Stay frosty out there gentlemen. & watch each others backs.

[@cp368productions2]

the first thing I noticed when they went up the stairs, was those flames coming from behind and above them shooting out over their heads. And they just went straight in through the middle of the flames without hitting the flames on either side. That just encouraged the fire to encircle them.

[@bdaniels6088]

Love these videos. This department seems a lot like ours. No one but the captains up have radios and also the engineers. So communication is a struggle and your voice carries only a short distance. This may be why so many guys in close proximity to each other.

[@poppajoebeneckesr7573]

All great and valid points you make, there's nothing to disagree with.

[@21anosmuertos96]

Good content, greetings from a firefighter from Lima Peru

[@WiliamBennettwildarbennett]

As always you've done a great job at breaking down the need for critiquing any and every call. And as for me and all of the other armchair chiefs, Yes there's what seen by the camera and then there's what's seen by firefighter. Grant it there's not much difference until you've been in their place. But we all are grateful that this didn't end differently. 🙏

[@benghist1451]

I'm not even a firefighter but when I saw the fire above them and moving behind them I was like YO! GET SOME WATER ON THAT WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!

[@mandyomally4896]

I was on that Fire in Chambersburg Pa. The volunteer company in this video was Station 4. This company does not even need to exist, they are in the Boro of Chambersburg that already has a paid department. They feed on everyone else fires. They speed/rush to the scene to beat the other companies into their own boxes and take over. The Franklins have had multiple fire apparatus wrecks and many of their members have been burnt in fires. The Franklins are what the locals call "misfits". We all hope and pray they do not kill anyone with their freelancing.

[@devanshumway6303]

Great video. Good Information. I'm a volunteer firefighter. We haven't had any major house/structure fires, but are chief helpes with all fires because we don't have a lot of people that respond. Average is 2 to 4 firefighters. When we get called its all hands on deck.

[@johnserow8619]

I enjoy the fact that you are taking the time to teach with these videos. If I had had KZbin available to me back in the '90s when I was my department's TO I would have used it to my advantage as well. Keep up the good work. I do want to let you know that this video is at least 4 years old but is still a great teaching tool. Also, I want to mention that my department was a very aggressive one, we ran alongside the City of Houston FD, that being said I was a Deputy Chief and if my guys had been in that situation of having the fire behind them I would have pulled my guys out and re-evaluate the situation.

[@jsuperman7672]

Lunar, or Lcan, This nozzle guy was trying to advance way to fast, up the stairs, he could have put that nozzle on a 1/4 fog, or full fog and rotate the nozzle around and round. You have fire behind you like a torch, that doesn't mean keep going up the stairs, turn around and see if you can knock it down. You might be thinking if you fog it you might get steam burn, most likely not here because there below the floor and still on the stairs, remember never go through the fire, or above the fire, Also remember to sound the floor, That includes the stairs up and down. I think two guys up on the nozzle, the third should be at the bottom of the stairs feeding hose as needed. The nozzle man got very lucky, it appears to be a partial fall through, They spent way to much time getting that nozzle opened once inside. If you can see your feet, like on the first floor, then walk and advanc until you need to get down, I'm glad they were trying to be aggressive and get the job done, but don't get tunnel vision. We just had a Firefighter go through a floor the last two weeks, and could not be rescued, we don't want to see anymore.

[@TommyStevens1]

Even though I work in the UK and we do things a lot different, I take something from every one of your videos. Thank you.

[@donaldmorrison9940]

Likewise. Where are you based? I’m in Scotland. It’s definitely interesting to see the differences, I think both sides of the Atlantic would benefit from a skills exchange.

[@dottiedavis355]

Do y’all have a KZbin channel based in the UK you’d like to recommend? I’d like to see the differences, too. Thanks

[@TommyStevens1]

@@dottiedavis355 I haven’t seen a uk channel that covers the fire service like this. I’ll keep looking.

[@neweranice4265]

Hi, I’m a firefighter from Germany. For me it’s cool to see how different the procedure is. First of all if we would arrive to that scene as the first engine, 2 guys would go interior and attack the fire 2 guys would standing outside of the building with scba to respond on mayday calls. Inside the building we wouldn’t use a full yet to attack the fire we take a spray yet and pulse the water (sorry for my English) I don’t understand why you use a full yet is not very effective. The lunar is almost identical with our system with the difference that we don’t say how much air we have because all 10 minutes the “Atemschutzüberwachung” asks the guys via radio how much air they have.

[@bigdog4574]

fire science has shows that full stream is the most effective.... it punches through the fire to get to the base and puts a lot of water down to cool the room. Fog stream will vaporize too quickly and not put water at the base of the fire.... also will not get through heavy debris to cool it down. This video shows bad tactics.... what needs to happen is to open full stream and move the nozzle around in either O or Z pattern. as you move the nozzle around you cool the selling, walls, floor down.

[@hollow34]

@@bigdog4574 spray pattern to cool room quickly to allow safe passage into room. Then attack by painting. Too much steam will make you wet and over heat.

[@benculver4727]

I agree with your break down and the info you shared. My department uses the tactics you expained and as an added plus we use ultra high pressure along with big water. The UHP is 20 gal a min at 1500 psi. At the nozzle task forrce nozzle with a 3/4 in line . its crazy easy to maneuver inside tight areas and can be employed with 2 firefiters. One thing i would maybe add to your comments is the department in this vid was using a task force type adjustable nozzle the 2nd line was on straight stream with fire all around . the straight stream is great for distance in my opinion if he had adjusted to a slight fog pattern he would have done more good the goal is to cool the environment i feel a slight fog would have covered more area faster and allowed for more water surface area to cool because it would convert faster. One more reason we use UHP in a situation like this . lighter faster and more efficient . also this department should study transitional fire fighting and flow path. 6 people on tiny tight hall way. Thank God it had vented because if someone would have broke a window or opened a door behind them they all would have been burned

[@minerran]

Interesting ... I'm not a firefighter but that's the first thought that popped into my head watching them fight it. Doesn't this nozzle adjust like my garden hose nozzle does and given how fire is all around, could widening the stream help to knock down the fire close to the team more quickly so that they could safely go up the stairs and fight from there?

[@fatboyconcord2860]

I just got on with my dream dept...thanks for the videos and the tips you call out

[@patreynolds360]

Just a small critique, some departments follow the NFPA recommendation on helmet colors and some do not, so sometimes a white helmet isn't a chief. It may be a lieutenant or captain. I know this isn't common but I've seen it a couple times. A second option could be that it's actually yellow and not white. This option is he may be correct and it is white. Im not gonna quarterback this, just putting some possibilities out there.

[@SKrassner]

Hearing that screaming hurts. So many people stacked in the tight space. Glad it was minor injuries. Great breakdown. And if the floor is dropping, fight it from a safe space.

[@jenbrixton6834]

Great video, i have no back ground and in fire fighting, but i have been learning so much about your jobs as FF amazing, keep safe all the way from the UK

[@BillBlast7372]

*AM I THE ONLY ONE....* that was yelling at the screen watching this?? OK, I have seen this vid before & thats when I was really letting loss verbally but this time I was a bit more controlled, HOPEFULLY they learned something from this & others watching it did as well. STAY SAFE ALL & THX for sharing this info w/all, your doing AWESOME, PLZ keep it up sir. 👍

[@vincereed9634]

Here in Upstate NY we have been trained to use NUTS Name, Unit, Task, Situation.

[@Bpotts71]

I’m a fire dispatcher, so I’ve got some very basic familiarity with certain concepts and terminology, but it is very helpful to see firefighters in action. It helps remind me what’s at stake when we tone guys out for structure fires. Very informative video.

[@matthewmccormick2417]

I lost a Childhood friend and fellow FireFighter in PHX Arizona years ago in a Big Box fire. Bret Tarver i am sure many now know because it changed the way Big box fires have been hit.

[@joshuarothe7513]

This is what I've been taught to from my department. Two in and two out rule . And yes lunar is very important. And the video how come there was six fire fighter up stairs and when you know that there's fire behind you hit that so it doesn't surround you or block you from your exit or burn the hose , after it's knocked down then continue and get low..if it's too overwhelming back out.... This is why training is always important it keeps us safe and keeps Us alive. Not trying to dog on this fire department because they might have different policies. But when a mayday is called everyone needs to get to that fire fighter and back out and hit it either from the out side or back up and try again and knock it down . Safety is our Number 1 thing on the Fire Ground

[@thoughtful_criticiser]

I learned about not letting the fire get behind you whilst still at school. It was watching a film and the fire was telling his men to pull the false ceiling to prevent the fire getting behind them. Towering Inferno was full of useful information and was required viewing in some British Fire Brigades. I don't know if this is just the UK as it's been a long time since I was working on a Rescue Squad as Paramedic Firefighter but I have noticed a difference between British and American use of water. In the UK we never just open the branch and let it rip in a confined space, such as these firefighters on the line. We use pulse/bursts of water, preventing the danger of cooking yourself and colleagues in steam. 1 litre(gallon) of water turns into 1600 litres(gallons) of steam. The only time you open fully is when you are sure that nobody is in the building.

[@rikmay6695]

Having just retired after 31 years as a firefighter I totally agree with you . We have good/high national training standards in UK which is so important compared to US where I believe there could be up to 3000 county Fire Services with different standards. Using low levels of water accurately and safely is a must. No pulse spraying, crews cramped together on a wooden staircase, one hose, too many people, people taking punishment from heat for no reason. Not forgetting that they are in the building to search for a person . If you’re not searching for anybody then get outside and pour water on safely with no risk to personnel.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

Q: You mentioned about contacting utilities to shut off the power and gas. With households, you can remove the meters off of the household from the outside _very_ easily; simply cut the tiny little anti-tamper tag, and unscrew a single bolt to remove the sheath, and the meter pops straight off. It won't help when it comes to visibility, but would also prevent any further fires caused by broken electrical connections (particularly where circuits aren't protected by arc fault breakers). I believe gas can also be shut off from the outside of the house, using a special tool of some kind that I'm not familiar with. Although utilities definitely should attend the scene so they can cut off the power and gas from the main junctions far from the scene, why don't firefighters come with tools to disable it right at the dwelling? It won't prevent them from going off if it reaches those control points, but it would definitely protect the rest of the house until the fire is under control.

[@JoanReichertFabian]

Thank you. This was very interesting. I am trying to write a book with regard to firefighting and I have been learning. I thought you broke this down well. Thanks again.

[@huntersnyderjones]

This is from a department in my county most of the departments all officers have white helmets and that includes chief and line officers

[@TannerBrownNow]

My department operates like that as well

[@matthewdebenedetto1871]

Same here in northern VA

[@davidbott9401]

While it's obvious some departments all officers wear the white helmet, if said person is the only officer on scene at the time, they should be outside in a Command capacity

[@asanch18]

We teach to use Who What Where now instead of LUNAR it’s easier to remember and gives the right amount of info

[@russell1047]

LIP Location Identification Problem

[@mgratk]

I'm just a youtube firefighting expert(as in absolutely no expertise at all), but even when there are mistakes, even big mistakes, these guys going into burning buildings are brave and doing their best, and I have nothing but praise for them. Thanks to all of you who work so hard to help people.

[@eliasthienpont6330]

I do not hear radios on this video, nor do I hear personal locator devices going off. Of course in FDNY you hear them all over the place since so many guys are just standing still

[@nebraskaninkansas347]

I have been waiting to see a fire fighters perspective on this video. Thanks for your insight. I know the fire department where I live has went through changes when they got a new chief. I know they host and have recieved training from a group on maximizing resources for small departments. You can definitely hear differences if you listen on the scanner. Lots of communication by all personal on scene. One interesting thing I heard was the chief would occasionally ask for PAR reports from individual teams assigned to tasks and one thing they reported was how much air they had left. Thought that was interesting.

[@oblivionkay4212]

I have wanted to be a firefighter well over a decade and a half. Hopefully I'll make it!

[@centralnewyorkresponses7887]

White Helmet is usually chief. There’s a department in my area that assigns helmet colors based on what truck they ride. Engines get Black, Trucks get red, Rescue gets white, and the squad gets yellow.

[@worldofcole2020]

4:47 Peace Officer here. Used to drive volunteer ambulance as well. We had a chimney fire one time on a county road. Our fire department handled it considering it was contained, but the Chief was out doing traffic control since we had no fire police available, and our county units were all tied up on other calls. Ended up taking over so the Chief could get back to the scene. Considering that I work closely with the volunteer agencies in my work county, I can safely say I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Chief do this before. Even the assistants stay at command unless they are part of water rescue operations (at least here).

[@dirtpounder]

Gives me anxiety to see so many people crammed in that stairwell. All it takes is one thing to go wrong and everybody's stuck or dead.

[@barkleyexum905]

I wasn’t there so it’s hard for me to say with certainty but it looks like a lot of that could have been prevented if they had been flowing more water. It looked like, just from what I could tell, that the nozzle was shut down more than it was flowing. With that much fire, flow and move. Don’t shut it down. Flow until you get a knock or have to back out due to making no progress. Give it all of the water you have until things go one way or the other. Would it have prevented him from falling through the floor? I don’t know. But it’s possible. The amount of fire growth due to lack of flowing seemed to have a huge role in this situation.

[@jk1320m]

I respectfully disagree with you saying no one should grab the hand line and fight the fire. Fire suppression should not stop. One of the best things to help in a mayday is fire control. Without fire suppression all can become quickly overwhelmed.

[@johnmarist26]

I’m on the fence based on scenario. We always teach life before property so if it comes to it we will get people first. Now working at a larger department where staffing is not an issue we can do all simultaneously, but their staffing question I’m not sure. The only other point I think he was saying was that he just fell through the floor on the nozzle in that hallway if you keep moving forward (which that didn’t look like the whole seat of the fire) he might have fallen too. I’m not saying I disagree I’m just trying to explore a little more and some insight

[@engine2truck6]

At around 6:40 .... this is a lesson learned very early as a probie ... my Lieutenant was a SALTY 30 year veteran with at least 1,000 first-in structure fires under his belt... AND a tough as nails WW 2 Pacific theater veteran. Letting yourself get ahead of Fire overhead was a big NO - NO with him for good reason. GREAT COMMENTARY brother.

[@johngammon6875]

In these types of incidents you need a senior firefighter on the tip that will hold his ground and not be forced into an untenable situation. And as you pointed out never pass fire to fight the fire ahead of you. A back up line should always be in place as soon as possible. Good video!

[@KevinRoss-vk3vx]

One reason that chief maybe inside is they maybe operating like my department which has a Battalion Chief and a Division Chief respond to a structure fire. The first Chief on location is command, if it is the Division Chief, he remains the command, and remains outside, when the Battalion Chief arrives, he become interior command and enters the building. If it is the Battalion Chief who arrives first, he remains outside as command, once the Division Chief arrives the command is transferred (full report is given from Batt Chief to Div. Chief) to the Division Chief, and he remains outside. The Battalion Chief then becomes interior command and enters the structure. Totally agree to many people for one line. They need to be assigned other jobs (search, vent, backup line, etc.) and breakup the congestion and relieve the unnecessary weight load in one area.

[@amlego6014]

In belgium we don’t always say that the front of a house/building is the alpha side, here the alpha side is the side where firefighters first entered the building/house.(what mostly the front is but not always) Great video!

[@colemarie9262]

What a terrifying mess.

[@alfredkennedy3197]

4:43 Not all white helmets are chiefs... Our department Captain and above are white helmets

[@brockbrooks3601]

I really have a love hate feeling for these kind of videos. The reason for that is they are great for using as a training tool but at the same time I feel like we are Monday morning quarterbacking another department's call. With that being said with what I could see from the video. I feel like more GPM was needed, the fire never really darken down. I do agree with way to many guys inside they could have been used as a RIT/RIC team outside. As far as guy picking up the nozzle after the mayday, my thought is putting the fire out along with RIT/RIC activation is the best option for the down member. Keep up passing on the knowledge. Knowledge is the only real super power but only if you pass it on.

[@LTBROYT6A]

It’s one thing to to be a Monday morning quarterback when it comes to football, it is completely different when you Monday Quarterback an interior Firefight video like this one !!! I see a lot of young firefighters do some really stupid things on fires just like this one. Especially when they hold back the water when someone has a helmet cam so they can be seen with fire all around them on the video, believe me I have seen idiots do that, and it is a good way to get dead !!! Fire Fighting is not a game it is a dangerous job and nothing to play with. Open up that nozzle all the way up on a narrow fog pattern and start hitting the fire above you before starting up the stairs and keep it up until you are upon that next floor and the fire is darkened down !!! This is real life and death stuff. Barry Broyles, Captain, Retired Baltimore City Fire Department With almost 39 years on the Job, and 53 years total fire service.

[@SittingWithDogs]

Bro that was the inside sector chief & I’ve been preaching for years to keep the stairs & hallways clear but it never happens. The 4-5th guy is always the one yelling let’s go common! While I’m talking a beating on the knob. Drives me nuts

[@sarahyap6514]

That’s good information, tq. They should teach everyone something like LUNAR in school, so that everyone can make more effective emergency calls.

[@DalokiMauvais]

Gosh I'm glad KZbin suggested this video to me! I'm not a firefighter, but I'm interested in how it's done. Too many videos explain nothing, and too many more have the awful squealing and squawking that makes it too painful for me to continue listening. Right toward the beginning I was wondering, "Why do they have so many firefighters in that one small area when only one one is handling the hose?" I realize that it takes more than one person to hold onto the hose, but many of them are just standing around. A minute or two later you pointed out that there were too many. I've learned more in this video than in the last 10 others I've watched. So often I wonder things like why are there so many firefighters on the roof so close to the fire, or why aren't they trying harder to protect the beta or delta exposure when the houses are really close together, then sure enough, suddenly there's a second house/building on fire. I look forward to learning more. Thank you!!!

[@rikmay6695]

This is not how to firefight

[@ChuckSannel]

That looked like a nightmare from the start.

[@maw800]

Great vid! Unrelated but I just passed my CPAT this morning, I’m stupid excited!

[@ryneclark8688]

Good job Man! CPAT wasn’t easy!

[@maw800]

@@ryneclark8688 thank you so much! It was my first one, preparing for it and taking it was a whole other story 😮‍💨

[@kevadams1964]

Congratulations, that is a tough test. Hope you enjoy your career in the best job...ever.

[@beccabush1252]

Congrats

[@splaterd100]

@@maw800 Just letting you know the CPAP is nothing compared to what you go through in the academy. Good job regardless, best of luck!

[@mrkoolio8494]

As a person who simply appreciates all that the firefighters do my untrained eye tells me that it’s probably very important to have a good team leader with the group. There’s a very fine line between being brave and gutsy and stepping over the line and getting killed when you didn’t have to. Everybody seems to be waiting on the guy at the front of theLine holding the water and if he decides not to back out nobody else seems willing to say “the fires getting behind us” we got to go.” But in any event God bless our firefighters thank you for all you do

[@rikmay6695]

After completing 31 years as a fireman in UK I was surprised by this vid. So many people committed. Only one hose/hose reel. People stood for long times in fire? Chief in the building???? The fire was fully ventilated so no problem with backdraft so get in there 2 teams of two each with hose reel (high pressure) and put fire out and search properly. Sadly watching this if this is typical US standards then it is very different to UK which had national standards which are incredibly high. Good luck guys you’re probably going to need it

[@Robert-tp7vd]

I'm a volunteer fire fighter and I totally agree with you

[@daveh4864]

This video was insightful. That many people could have caused the stairs to give out. Why was a tower guy inside? So many questions and red flags…

[@karlj9694]

Put the damn fire out

[@skettitacos1353]

Thank you for the video. I've seen this before and it was awesome to get your thoughts on this incident. I start academy tomorrow. Thank you for all of your tips and guidance!

[@mike_pertz]

Good luck! Keep me posted on how it's going

[@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123]

I live in a small rural tourist town, so there are a lot of summer homes and the population more than doubles in the summer. Our city fights tooth and nail to not give funding to the FD for equipment and gear, they need to see these videos and think about it being their family and home at risk !!! We don’t appreciate their work until we need it !!!!! Because these departments are small and 30 miles or more apart, they call for an assist at any questionable call, it results in some stand by and cancels but at least they don’t wait until it dangerously late. God bless and protect our unsung hero’s 🙏🏻

[@pjtorres147]

One of the things I hated in a volunteer service was everybody in the handling so they can get “credit” for being in there. Great critiquing

[@hollow34]

First one on the branch goes in, two to a line. If you want to go in get your own line.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

Before I became captain, the guys were pretty much left to do exactly like in this video, everyone wanted their hand on the string. I stopped that quick and assigned specific jobs per seat...kinda like a professional dept. Whatever seat you ended up in, you had 1 specific job to do unless told otherwise by me or a chief along the command rope in which case it would go thru me anyway. If you're on an engine, you tasks were engine related only (unless no truck company available) 2 on the swag and 1 halfway between the door and the tip backup and the other at the door both to help advance the hose....once they plant their feet they don't move until needed for relief or other. Truck was set up the same. Search, vent, assist engine with chasing the fire through walls and ceilings. Rescue most of the time were RIT only. Having that many people on those stairs is a setup for disaster and honesty if something worse were to happen because of the traffic it would have been on that chief for not keeping a safe work environment. I'm not a career firefighter and some of the older members would give me crap saying I was trying to run things like a career house...I was trying to conduct organized and safe operations. Career or volunteer, our enemy is the same so if the resources are available attack the enemy the same.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

Sorry got a little carried away and wrote a novel there.

[@piercedriver1]

You are giving wise council. Hopefully people will study and listen to you. I’ve had to call mayday several times in my 33 years . LUNAR does work especially location and air. Fortunately we had rit teams in place with a line from another wagon in case of catastrophic failure on the first attack engine.

[@lynskeyti9940]

When you have a flow path working in your favor like this open the nozzle up a little to 20-30 degree fog as it will hit a lot more area. Also I agree that after they get the guy out it's time to leave BUT the nozzle man did the right thing by getting the hose back in operation while the rescue is taking place.... With that much fire never stop flowing if you can help it

[@LTBROYT6A]

You hit it on the nose, that is the tactic I always used while climbing stairs with fire above me. The use straight stream or a smooth bore nozzle does not knock down anywhere near as much fire in close combat as a fog nozzle on a 20 or 30 degree pattern, the problem is that a straight stream has to be moved around a lot to knock down a lot a lot of fire because the water needs to directly hit the base of the fire. On the other hand a narrow fog pattern will put the water right where it is needed with a sweep around over your head for a quick knock down !!! Barry Broyles 39 year veteran, Captain, retired Baltimore City Fire Department.

[@uniden03229]

Love these man! Keep em up.

[@mike_pertz]

Glad you like them!

[@savyn3855]

I think the utilization of the white helmet for chiefs only is subjective to the department. In my department, LT (engine oic) and Capt (ladder/squad oic) all get white helmets. Sgt (engineer/driver) gets red, and firefighters/firemedics get black.

[@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber]

Fair enough. In my dept, it's Chief/white, Capt/red, all other FFs/yellow, and paramedics/blue.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber one of the departments I was a member used the typical white for for chief, then red for Capt and Lt. Then they came up with some ridiculous set up where you had to go thru their made up training to be considered an interior ff. Black was ff, yellow was used for their special interior people. Anyway, the only issue I had with the yellow helmets was when you're in deep, between the glow from the fire, smoke, steam, etc it was hard to distinguish yellow from white sometimes.

[@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber]

@@fdMT_EnGy That's a good point.... but what is your Chief doing inside the structure? Why isn't s/he outside calling the shots as Command?

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber We had 4 chiefs, chief of department, and 3 assistant chiefs. Chief of department was always at the command post, Chief 2 covered half of alpha all of Bravo and half of Charlie. Chief 3 half a, all d, and half c. They were the command posts what where when and how. Chief 4 was a floater. In a bigger situation he would stay close behind but not too close to the nozzle crew to be commands inside eyes being relayed from an interior Capt. But the color confusion I was talking about would be with the interior operations Chief and the yellow interior helmets. Same though could happen with our exterior operations because of how large our fire ground operations is set up. Didn't matter to me either way, I didn't need to talk to either one outside of radio use. Some of the captains and Lts from truck and rescue companies complained (as usual) and tried to push for black helmets colored shields. But like I said, didn't bother me either way. Until I became Lt and newer members took over the ranks in all 3 companies they had a light blue helmets for past Chief, and green helmets for the safety officers, and orange for fire operations resource officer. A scene looked like a rainbow before we cut out the blue, green, and orange. LOL

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber Sorry for the extremely long response. The yellow helmet was only an issue to some because we had the black for all operations except interior which was the yellow. Wasn't rocket science to figure out it was a chief because their shields were taller. Anyway it was really the ones who like to complain about everything that had the issue. The rest of us were busy working. LOL

[@hayhay2640]

We were taught last year that to call mayday 3 times stop to let radio chatter to stop then proceed with the lunar acronym. This is just to prevent garble or interruption.

[@Derekva40]

Needed a second line sooner with a second crew. GPM over BTU's

[@xsychosis]

Im not even a firefighter and yeah if things are getting dangerous and you're not in there to save a life then back out and regroup. A house can be replaced.

[@robinmccoy9461]

The department that I am on has a chief and 2 assistant chiefs. All wear a white helmet. Vary common for us to have a "white" helmet inside.

[@NIKNAK1]

salute to all the firefighters out there! never ever in life would I want their job fire absolutely terrifies me and if I was the one with this helmet cam I woulda been OUTTA THERE… PERIOD POINT BLANK…. I wish they would have had a heart monitor on him because I bet his heart rate was off the charts… just by how often he was looking around him you know he was panicking and knew it was a bad situation and was looking for his quickest exit and i know all firefighters are looking for their quickest exit and always are looking at their surroundings but you can almost feel his panic it made my stomach sink when he looked all around him and there was fire…. hats off to all men and women who sacrifice their lives every day to save and protect others! youre all heros!

[@jimprice1959]

I had a similar situation once. I'll admit it was a bit smaller but and using fog knocked it right down.

[@rikmay6695]

UK training uses high pressure hoses 19mm wide 15/20 bar with pulses for cooling gas layers and longer pulses into fires. It keeps UK crews safe on a National level. US is obviously very very different. :((

[@jimprice1959]

Rick - It depends on the department. We used to "fog" the fire. It created a lot of steam which displaced the oxygen. We would go into the structure-even if we were by ourselves. Now the philosophy seems to be "surround and drown." @@rikmay6695

[@kenmeinken8115]

Good video , especially on how to do it wrong. Agree, too many people crowded together, too fast of an advance, not knocking the fire down before advancing. And definitely there should have been second and third handlines ready, at least outside. I have taken a third person in on a handline so that they get some experience. I know I saw too many times when two experienced firefighters take a line in and newer people never get experience.

[@jamescline3600]

Looks like all these guys need yo go back through the academy again or maybe do mayday training we always do a mayday training and a rit training every month to keep us up to date and refresh our guys on it

[@mothermarylspeaking8989]

Lunar... that's good for a conscious person trapped in a fire: right corner office facing street; Mary the secretary; no window. Or back corner bedroom upstairs etc. Etc.

[@firemanj35]

The only thing i can think of is in that situation maybe the thought was not so much continue to advice on the fire but to hold the fire back long enough for a RIT team or others to evaluate the person that fell through. But like you said wasn't there so just a thought.

[@miguelgoodman5205]

When the fire fighter went up to the second floor, it looked like they stepped into the portal to hell.

[@EmergencyGuy]

I had a similar scenario happen at a house fire in my school district. The fire was accidental, started by two little boys playing with fire. Their mom heroically ran back in to save her sons and suffered second degree burns to her feet, which required burn center treatment. The house was a total loss, but during the firefight, a firefighter fell through the floor in a mayday moment. In another house fire that destroyed the house, a Second Due engine company crew member got injured and the house burned down, taking the family’s possessions and clothing with it. A two story modular home now stands at the address.

[@krisredlawski3722]

Started off good but you are right about the guy falling through the floor after the mayday call they should of said get out back out not safe then regroup outside and surround and drown it no occupants stay outside surround and drown building not safe

[@ronniefaisstfan687]

as soon as i saw that guy having fire in the walls around him i said "oh no no no"

[@mikeggg1979]

Guy in my old area of queens fell through the floor in a crack house. Burned alive. LT from the FDNY! They fall through it’s usually death this guy got lucky

[@Luna_illus]

Wow. There is so much going on here. It’s so chaotic. All things aside, this video does do a really good job showcasing why it is called it fire *fighting* because they are definitely doing battle with that blaze.

[@vincentinukpak7723]

Your videos are very educational

[@briansciurba]

In our fire company in Lower New York, we have 3 cheifs in our dept. One cheif gets command, and the others get assigned a division such as with the search team or coordinating on the attack line.

[@WookieeStomper808]

Each mayday sounds like a individual dictionary size worth of paperwork.

[@cameroncrayton5547]

The fire still has to be put out while they get the member out . If you are at an uncompromised area you have a duty to continue to extinguish and not run out . Not every mayday situation means that everyone has to leave .

[@elvisbest3213]

31 year veteran just had surgery fell down some stairs at a worker our job is very dangerous indeed ill be out now for 6 months

[@zNaYuz]

2:40 Look like he checked to verify power is on or off. But the light still on. I don't know that house use lights with reserve battery or not. If not, then it will be very dangerous to spray water while power still on. I saw him look at the ceiling light multiple time. He may worry about that problem too but not going to verify it. I don't know about the law in US about permission for firefighter to shutdown the whole area power line. But in my country, fire department is a part of police force. So they have permission to shutdown the whole street if they can properly shutdown that house.

[@Killerean]

They really needed a random guy with a garden hose just spraying their backs screaming "I'M HELPING!".

[@rikmay6695]

Or maybe they just need better training.

[@Relkond]

Right in the entry way, you had half a flight of stairs up… I’d expect half a flight of stairs nearby going down to a floor immediately below, and I’d want confirmation the floor below is clearer of fire before overloading the hallway above with bodies. Maybe I missed it being checked, maybe someone else checked the story below, but for someone to fall into the basement… - the floor had to be compromised. - there had to be a basement to fall into.

[@jebcommon2332]

It is frustrating to see how inefficient some of these departments are.