First Hand Elimination! 😲 | WSOP 2024 Main Event Day 1A

Welcome to PokerNews coverage of Day 1A of the 2024 World Series of Poker Main Event. Two players busted out on the first hand, and Aaron Barone from 888poker decided to try being a live reporter (spoiler: it did not go well...)
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[@OverAndOver1888]

"I'll just come back next year and maybe I'll run a little better." I'd fucking hope so.

[@ianshirreffs5604]

That's DramaticDegen. Oh, man. That sucks bro. GG.

[@rubbertoad3681]

It is a cooler in your daily $100 tournament. It is a punt in the main event of the WSOP first hand. Have to understand you aren't getting a worse hand than that to call.

[@garygwinn5818]

Not that leads the river big, this guy is clearly inexperienced.

[@Lq32332]

Outcome based thinking. Do you all also fold your quads when the board has a higher pair?😂

[@rubbertoad3681]

@@Lq32332 Nobody said for him to fold. They said for him to not go all in.

[@Lq32332]

@@rubbertoad3681 and what do you think quads are going to do? Just call? If you think every paired board hides quads I’d love to play with you.

[@georgeseinfeld4150]

@@Lq32332 You think the 5th best hand there is calling an all-in? you must be the guy who punted it cause you're defending him religiously lmao

[@taxbanker3044]

clear punt. First people flat JJ there all the time -- especially the first hand of the WSOP. Second what hand was paying you off??

[@burkhartlaw1]

By my math: opens 3, raises 10, bets 25 so he’s got approx 38 bigs in the pot on the river and the opponent bets 38 blinds. That means it’s a 262 blind shove. That’s just awful. He could have raised it to 100 blinds and folded to the shove and still have half his stack.

[@stefanocioni2587]

Chat pro 😂

[@stefanocioni2587]

@@burkhartlaw1chat pro as well?😂😅

[@seangarner2687]

​@@stefanocioni2587It was a bad play, ad hominems don't change it into a good play.

[@Lq32332]

@@seangarner2687your outcome based thinking doesn’t make it a bad play. Let me know where you play. I’d love take money from people that fold their full house because someone bet 80% pot. Do you also fold your quads because there is a higher pair on the board?

[@georgeseinfeld4150]

Huge punt, there are 3 hand that beat him , and even if the guy didn't have quads he won't be calling an all-in with the 5th or 6th best hand. Actually, terribly played.

[@Lq32332]

Wow captain hindsight your outcome based thinking is amazing. /s 😂

[@georgeseinfeld4150]

@@Lq32332 So, what's your logic on shoving there?

[@michadegraaf4570]

hUgE PuNt, KZbin wizards are always such source of amusement 😀

[@ryanmcgee1797]

The correct play was to jam. You're not good at poker.

[@nirmalasokan1687]

@@ryanmcgee1797 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIuViYWgpNeInLMsi=3PGocMyAG5vHztrf&t=1000 No it was not

[@ro55reel5]

The other side of this hand is all sunshine and roses

[@Kanders190]

4:00 is a mistake I see a lot of players, including good ones, make too often. Just because a solver says you SHOULD do something, doesn't mean every player will do it 100% of the time. Yeah, JJ should be squeezing there vs a CO open and BTN flat pretty much always, but a lot of rec players don't because they "hate jacks". Also consider it's the first hand of the main. Technically speaking, that shouldn't change your play style, but I can see a lot of players who don't want to squeeze and immediately play a sizeable pot from out of position on hand 1 of a 10k. I think the river spot is super close that deep. If you think the BB is 100% 3-betting with JJ (which I think is debatable), then jamming is probably fine. If not, it may sway towards a call. I think this would depend on how many J8s/T8s combos are possible.

[@jonnyhicks2076]

word

[@Young-ep8ik]

That statement of his has absolutely nothing to do with solvers. JJ was a 3 bet there if we go back 40 years. I will give you that a tiny portion of the population would flat. But most people who 'hate jacks' actually just 3bet ridiculously big instead. To be clear I think he played this hand objectively bad but that doesn't make any criticism automatically correct.

[@travisbickle0526]

Thats the problem many people have when using solvers. They try to replicate the solver play for play, but the solver plays against itself. The gto solutions it gives assumes the other guy is playing perfectly gto too.

[@Kanders190]

@@Young-ep8ik You’re just proving my point. It’s not necessary about solvers, it’s about the general consensus of what the best play is. These day, a lot of high end pros use solvers so that’s why I brought them up. And again, no, tons of recs/amateurs aren’t 3b JJ here. Yeah, they’ll open to a large size with them, but they often don’t three bet them. You’re quite literally proving me right lol. Just because somebody "should" make a certain play doesn't mean every player will do it 100% of the time. To discount JJ purely for that reason is a huge leak. If everybody play perfect poker, there would be no point in playing since we'd all play the exact same and eventually just lose to the rake.

[@Young-ep8ik]

@@Kanders190 I literally said a tiny portion would flat w/ JJ. How did you come to the conclusion that he shouldn’t discount JJ just because some people would flat? Let’s be extremely generous and say 50% (nowhere close to that in relaity) of the population would flat JJ vs late open you should still discount JJ by 50%, and in this case cut the combos from 3 to 1.5. Again nothing in this convo is relevant to solvers. It’s just common sense.

[@larrywhipit5204]

How much weight did Jack lose?

[@christophesabourin1943]

Hard to say if right or wrong. Yeah certainly JJ and 88 can flat the BB. You are beating 108 and J8 that make sense. 79 or Q9 are unlikely to take this line. Calling is understandable for sure- folding totally exploitable and silly IMO. I suppose if that 10K means a lot to you, don't go for the shove but the reasoning is defensible for shoving in the long-run.

[@Young-ep8ik]

That would assume T8/J8 should call a shove of that size. I will agree with him that he can mostly(but not 100%) exclude JJ. He's absolutely wrong that a flopped straight would be likely to call him. The reasoning is not defensible but it's not outrageously -EV, just significantly so.

[@pokermonfacegaming]

I read the coverage of the Ladies event and some of the hands that were written down there, didnt make any sense. There were lots of mistakes, where the wrong hand was written down, or absolutely everything being wrong.

[@ice-coldspear9193]

Flashbacks to Sam Farha vs Oliver Hudson ME 2005

[@Snuffy_Tamiya_RC]

I think that was a cooler back in 2005 and I think it was a smaller starting stack back then. I think Travis beat was horrible play what do you guys think.

[@ice-coldspear9193]

@@Snuffy_Tamiya_RC I think if people bet monstrous amounts/reraise all in on the first day of the ME, it's usually the absolute nuts.

[@charleswines8012]

Punt punt punt

[@VivaLasVegasX]

Very unlucky but you gotta find the fold with that many hands that still beat you and tiny blinds for the entire day

[@Kanders190]

The results-bias is strong with this one LOL Under no circumstances do you fold TT there. I can absolutely see arguments to just flat. Trying to advocate a fold is a joke.

[@VivaLasVegasX]

@Kanders190 in the main you fold. In a $400 colossus or $1500 monster you call....

[@Uncle_Troy]

@@VivaLasVegasX I mean, flat-calling because you're afraid of monsters in the closet is one thing, but it's hard to make a pair in this game and if you're folding 3rd nuts on a paired board every time someone gets this aggro on day 1, then I'm literally not sure why you wouldn't fold sooner since that means you're just looking for an unbeatable hand before you put major amounts of chips in.

[@Uncle_Troy]

@@Kanders190 1c-2c pros always know better than the pros when they can see the hole cards. 🤡

[@Kanders190]

​@@VivaLasVegasX That makes absolutely no sense, but go off. Also, the main is widely considered to be the softer 10k field there is.

[@youtubelife9248]

Oh my. What a painful first hand dude. Just call smh

[@garygwinn5818]

PUNT. You raised your opponent and he is now leading the river big. You are extremely deep, no need to risk your whole tournament here.

[@2006matthewwrx]

The difference is, he was in the hand and in the moment. That's when decisions are made! We all know that.

[@garygwinn5818]

@@2006matthewwrx No doubt, and I understand the feeling, when the moment is bigger than you can handle. Good experience for the future. 85% of that field walks away 10k loser, so whether you do it in 1 hand or 2000, it's all the same for this 1 lone tournament. I have made some big mistakes in tournaments too! I own it!

[@blazerworks9445]

kinda a cooler but more a punt--first hand or even first hour of hands you cant go nuts unless you have the nuts --should of played it check call --even on the river check call --80% of a small pot the bet shouldnt of ended your day --yeah id call but thats it --could of had AA's or Jacks or of coarse quads ---he wouldnt of bet with a straight --could of had 8A or 8J but just call that there because of the hands that beat you

[@jdk822]

how does he not shove the flop

[@jdk822]

i mean he doesn’t even block aces

[@slugerama]

Pocket 8s. Man that hand screws me over so many times. Luckiest hand for some, absolute death for me.

[@BryanDean-id2rq]

My death hand is 33. I have lost with a set like 4 times.

[@shaunoneil4705]

I think A8 MIGHT pay you off

[@jonnyhicks2076]

villian never has A8 he lead flop

[@nikitakucherov5028]

That hand is definitely a cooler

[@DAVID-ts8gf]

This man has such bad energy around him

[@Drtydeeds]

100% punt.

[@michaelsweaney3890]

👟🏈

[@tanthony298]

No reason to raise that river in the main your not getting called by worse 1st hand of the biggest tournament in the world

[@justinvanarsdale946]

Terrible play

[@Uncle_Troy]

Too many armchair poker pros acting like they know the meta SO well, like they've played the Main Event every single year since they can remember, and that this was a trivial fold. Regardless of population tendencies, guys, Hero has NO reads and is leaving tons of chips on the table by flatting river, so it begs the question as to how you can prove that this player isn't bluffing you or overvaluing some weird hand. You can't dictate how your tournament runs go and you have to play with the hands you're dealt at the time that you're dealt them. That said, I'm pretty sure every single YT commentor here condemning Hero's play would have gone broke in this spot, and even if they wouldn't, they're never making it into the money by softplaying hands that big just because "it's the Main Event and it's day 1!" Fossilman literally won in 2004 by exploiting this mindset.🙄

[@mitchella5954]

Not necessarily saying flatting was the right play either but possible 200bb shove isn't either in my opinion. But yeah I've never played the main either.

[@Uncle_Troy]

@@mitchella5954 As played, there's weird timing tells all over the place from villain with 88 and then they lead the river which is just weird and looks like KQ a lot. I mean, really, this cooler can happen at any time and without reads, you're just leaving chip-EV on the table in a minefield where you have to last two full weeks of 12-hour sessions just to make it to the final table. As someone who's played massive field tournaments online for years, you just have to take your razor-thin edges and go with them at times. DramaticDegen has hit six-figure scores online before and knows this already.