First impressions of a Total War: Pharaoh Campaign...

[@Stlaind]

The problem with the "This is a Little Total War" argument is that CA is charging "Big Total War" prices. This isn't "Big Total War" value, and it's price should reflect that. Which you do note, but it really needs to be driven home. If CA want to charge like they seem to be planning to, they need to start delivering on the value.

[@vojtak1307]

Because they are not promoting Pharaoh as Little Total War as if the entire thing with Saga Total War completely dropped out. We all know that Pharaoh is Little Total War but them promoting it as NOT Little Total War gives them courage to price it this high ... which is a nonsense

[@pl-AthEE_Three]

Except people will buy it anyway and only then will they complain, giving CA no incentive to lower prices. 99% of the "I swear this is the last time I buy a TW title if they don't get bwtter!" crowd never deliver on their promise, and delivering on their promise is the only way to make CA execs care.

[@artje90]

HEY you just pay up 90$ dollars for the full game. ignore the fact that we should include the DLC in the base gae in the same price. we are your lord and savior and give us your money pleb. that is CA at this point

[@Stlaind]

@@Varuna2098 And not just focusing on three of them, but one of those three might as well be a fantasy army for all we know about them. We really barely even know the Sea Peoples existed, and there are serious historians who doubt just how much impact they really had.

[@artje90]

@@Stlaind ye the sea people are just a small text of egyptian origan that isn't even fully confirmed who the sea people actually where. could have been phoenicians, hittites (lthouh less likely, other african nations near like pressent day morrocco hey i even heared theory it could have been people of the lost city of Atlantis. all we know is there were some raids during that time from outsiders but how they were equipted or where frm is not known so how can you build a realistic historic stategy game and include them xD

[@cal5365]

"I hope we see these mechanics in future total war games going forward" oh dear, dont we say this every new total war release?

[@johnsnow5125]

yeah

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

well we get to keep a new one lose a older one next game get it back in another game and the cycle continues

[@TheGlenn8]

Still don't know why Warhammer couldn't have a cool campaign map with good diplomacy and multiple resources.

[@viperarum5538]

@@TheGlenn8 i had a hard time in warhammer 1 to understand that the ressources dont have any use for unit or building upgrades ^^

[@steik6414]

@@TheGlenn8 Yup. I can't believe it took 3 games and 7 years to put in diplomatic city trading when that was a staple of the games more than 20 years ago

[@minze202]

I'm sure the reason why the time period is egypt is exactly because it's so familiar to troy. They can just reuse a lot of assets for their "Little Total War" like they done with total war britannia which was basically a reskin of Attila.

[@Biblig]

It's worse then thrones. I thought the idea was we use resources from a "big tw" to produce a "small tw" but with pharoah it looks like they did this in reverse

[@BlurredVision18]

And then charge more money.

[@doom4167]

Attila is a reskin of Rome. Britannia is a bit different then Attila .

[@poctordepper4269]

Hmmmm I don't think so, I don't find them familiar at all. If it were to develop immortal empires with troy so they could resell that game, then maybe, yeah.

[@LucaPala]

I think this was a dlc for troy, as attila should have been for rome 2. Then troy failed and they decided to pump it a bit and present it as stand alone game.

[@sohas111]

Wouldn't be surprised if Total War: Pharaoh would be free on Epic games in december as mystery game

[@kirilld6206]

would be nice since I won't be buying the standalone DLCs for a 4 prices of Baldur Gate 3 which I didnt play but ppl say its well made.

[@fizzbrew]

​@kirilld6206 its been fun and I rarely enjoy games anymore

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

@@kirilld6206but... Baldur’s Gate 3 is also 60$

[@IceniTotalWar]

After giving away 7 million copies of Troy for Free still no one ( tiny % ) play's it. Couldn't see Pharaoh doing any better but at this stage i think CA should just give it to Epic.

[@bogongo7451]

@@kirilld6206 its amazing

[@emib6599]

I want to add that the halfway between "historical" and "fantasy" is "fictional". Total war used a lot of fictional units to fill the factions in previous games, military units that were never used in battles, but that are realistic and make sense in the context.

[@zrize101]

Well said

[@GothPaoki]

Exactly like gladiators in rome.

[@spliterator1981]

​@@GothPaokiOr Ninjas in Shogun

[@TAWEEYZZ]

@@GothPaoki or the graal knights from rome BI

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

Generic fantasy berserkers in Rome? Cool. Flame pigs? Insane, give me more.

[@davidjones6142]

I wouldn't mind if they released these for lower price, as a way of testing mechanics for bigger titles (cough, Empire II, Medieval III). Just doesnt seem worth it on its own.

[@alexs_toy_barn]

i think you just discovered SAGA titles, which this game is, just not in name

[@JackSpackProductions]

@@alexs_toy_barnThat’s their point. It’s neither a Saga title in price nor name.

[@JackSpackProductions]

I wouldn’t either, and I’m kind of salty this is a full release considering the drought we’ve had for a proper full historical title. This does not scratch the itch.

[@Lord0x]

pls no empire and med

[@xSMOKED]

​@Lord0x what would you like ?

[@unifieddynasty]

Those post battle general animations started getting detailed with Rome 2 iirc. That was when you had the 'aggressive', 'balanced', 'defensive' battle stances.

[@a.d2868]

Everything in this game pretty much existed at one point or another in the Total War series. The weather, just for example is present since Medieval 1, 20 years ago ffs.

[@alcoolamus4208]

Diplomacy being like Troy and not 3K is a HUGE missed opportunity. I really hope this system will come back, it should be the norm in every TW but CA is just lazy I guess

[@kapitankapital6580]

This is a glorified Troy DLC, it is not a main line Total War game despite how they're marketing it. The big test will be if the real next historical game has a similar diplomacy system.

[@kayamkara6138]

this is just an SAGA game. Probably next up is the really "big" Total War game. If they screw it up too, I have no faith in CA and total war.

[@MrBlipman]

Bro I really loved 3k, the thing is they fucked it by just dropping development and killing the game. The time period is one of my favourites as Ancient China is SUPER interesting.

[@XMysticHerox]

Not lazy. Hate that rhethoric. The devs aren't lazy. On the contrary. It's shareholders and the board being greedy and pushing out a new game every year not to mention DLC. Of course they don't have time to fix anything nevermind improve stuff.

[@Ubeacco]

A new Napoleon or Empire would be amazing, to be fair.

[@doltBmB]

not if they're yet another reskin of warhammer the thing that makes the IDEA of empire interesting is that they were clearly trying to innovate in every aspect of the game, they just failed, for whatever reason didn't have enough time or money this is entirely contrary to what will actually happen if all you want is "empire 2" which is warhammer with grenadiers instead of orcs

[@pedepot]

Ah yes, Pharaoh, the game that started as a Troy DLC (per a CA response) but released as a full-priced AAA game. Never change CA, never change.

[@edwingibson7]

wait a sec, i have been hearing around that CA might treat Both Bronze age games, like war hammer 2 was to war hammer 1. and combine them in a type of Mortal empires game mode. that would be pretty sweet in my opinion. If they do. I hope they give access to a Fantasy DLC. would love to see Folk lore come to life from around the World in this era. :D

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

@@edwingibson7 LOL keep dreaming champ!

[@charleslister8465]

@@edwingibson7 yeah me too

[@bibby659]

​@edwingibson7 yeah good luck with that cause it ain't ever happening.

[@devinphillips8085]

Ca never said it was a dlc BTW, you are just making that up. But could you imagine how expensive this would be as a dlc, the faction alone would probably be 40 bucks and that's not even counting the new mechanics and map.

[@jrdarby]

It just shows how much innovation they could have introduced with WH3 if they hadn’t completely written it off the way they have. Thanks Rob! 👍

[@jaredcullum117]

I might pick up Pharaoh on a sale at some point. I like the ideas they're trying and the setting is interesting, but I'm just not looking to spend $50/$60 dollars on a new game right now.

[@the_tactician9858]

Same, the return of native units (as debuted in the Rome II Rise of the Republic DLC, which is up there as one of my favourite TW DLC's, as well as a feature in the DeI mod), the customizable campaign and the return to a more grounded TW is appealing, but CA should really be pulled back to reasonable prices for the content they deliver... I'd not pay more than 40 for this campaign, and I feel that's rather generous compared to other customers... this is essentially going to need to be a 30 bucks campaign for people to try it out.

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

Be waiting a while - I'm still waiting for Troy or 3K (the complete versions with all DLC) to go on sale for less than 20! And there's no way I'll ever pay more than 10 for any TW DLC so I guess I'll be waiting a while for Chaos Dwarves and Shadows of Change too. Used to get those type of DLC for 5-7 in a Steam sale!

[@Bakarost]

Why you just support their actions

[@mausklick1635]

My theory is that Troy and Pharaoh were originally intended to be one game, but got separated into two for scheduling and resource reasons.

[@Omni_Shambles]

My theory is that they are creating various maps to eventually create a global total war, or something along those lines.

[@AbominationalFailure]

​@@Omni_ShamblesI suppose that's possible? Hard to imagine that being set anywhere other than colonial times or later though.

[@LiewLmao]

Or you know…money

[@theseb1979]

It was meant to be a dlc for Troy

[@88oscuro]

I think the two games won't be compatible at all tbh. They will build on Pharao if it can drive sales enough. Troy will be forgotten, with a mythic dlc that needed an additional 2-3 dlc to flesh out. Same as Thronea of Brittania, great games with a lot of potential. They just need a bit more resources and polish.

[@Keln02]

So... they are asking full price for a Troy expansion? :') Really like the kingdom management part of more "historical" titles

[@aleksejsmiscuks4138]

If they created a total war for Pike & Shot era in Europe that would be so awesome.

[@MaiHand]

I have a degree in near eastern archaology, my specific focus was ancient egypt cobra figurines I am very excited for this, but I 100% agree with ur analysis that it probably wont sell well and is to close to troy I am excited but it also doesnt feel like it should be full priced at all

[@dantauche7917]

There's a degree for studying snake toys?

[@MaiHand]

No that was the focus of my big assignment, my degree was near eastern archaologist Also the specific cobra headed figurines of my expertise was most likely used as a protector while they slept to ward off the ancient egyptian version of ghost and demons The article should be available on most university and study journal sites

[@demonmonsterdave]

@@MaiHand I think you mean archaeology. I think you think you are an archaeologist, but you're not.

[@MaiHand]

I worked as an archaeologist for a while after I got my degree, not long tho so no right now I am not, tho my degree has helped me land a job in the past in my field@@demonmonsterdave Also never said I was an archaeologist, just said what my field was at study and thus why Pharao does have an appeal to me :>

[@MaiHand]

English not my first language so some spelling mistakes happen. I think you think you are smart, but you are not :>

[@napoleoncomplex2712]

It almost reminds me of the weird 'beta test' games Paradox put out for EU4 and Crusader Kings 2. March of the Eagles and Sengoku were very basic games that weren't very well received due to being so bare bones, but they put to the test a lot of the new mechanics that Paradox went on to use in much larger titles. Perhaps they wanted this game to provide the bedrock for the next big Total War. The price is insane though. I think CA needs the next big game to work. Shoving out a smaller title with new mechanics to act as a pilot makes a degree of sense in that regard. Find out what works, ditch anything that is hated, and then go great guns with the big project.

[@The-Black-Death]

One series that is DYINGGGG for a Total War adaptation is the world of Hyboria/Conan The Barbarian, there's so much they could do there with it's pseudo-historical setting with low fantasy elements. Imagine something like Rome 2, Atillah, Troy, and Pharaoh with slight bits of Warhammer Total War sprinkled in, or even just Mythos Troy over Warhammer for that matter.

[@PowerPuffSoldier]

Seriously, I think it would be the best balance for a total war game. Mostly historical type units along a few monsters/exotic units. Add in complex campaign mechanics with most empire management, I Would buy in a heart beat.

[@The-Black-Death]

@@PowerPuffSoldier Thas rite

[@ancientromechronicles]

This gives me Britannia vibes. A nice short, visually appealing campaign thatll probably charged full price, and use a lot of models and code from previous games. I dont know what CA is doing on one hand i like their commitment to expand their historical timeline, on the other-hand where is the new medieval total everyone's been waiting on

[@CuzinHomechill]

I love the Total War series but at this point Im done giving them any money. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[@miquelr2353]

Ill just stay 3 years behind for cheap games and amazing mods

[@Sapphic001]

Same wait for 75% sales now, and I used to buy all at release... WH 3 shadows of change broke me...

[@XMysticHerox]

This will be going on Epic for free in a couple months so just wait for that lol.

[@pedroaquiles2074]

A game set in the Americas before or during the European expansion would be pretty cool, with the same mechanics even, just to go away from the Mediterranean

[@bortoo6634]

I'm one of the dozen people who is completellg obsessed with bronze age middle east, and I'm really interested in tw Pharao. That said, recent events made me take a mutch more defensive stance when dealing with CA, and ill probably wait for a sale to buy pharao, even if, at peast to me, its the most tematically interesting historical TW and seems to be very mecanically robust. I just dint trust CA enought to pay R$250,00 in their game

[@edwingibson7]

You could always wait until after reviews come out the fallowing weeks of this game. But just remember to take the reviews with a Grain of Salt. Since there will be many who bad month this game, just because it's not what they wanted. In the end. you might want to watch some youtube videos of people playing it. and then deside if you want it from there. :) as for my self. I really want the sound track for this game. what little i have heard. it's going to be great for me.

[@bortoo6634]

@@edwingibson7 its more about the cost to me, since thigs havent been the same for quite a while and this kind of investment has turned from something that i could afford once in a while to something that i have to take carefull consideration. So even after reviews I'll probably wait for a sale, since the price is too steep for me to just buy it.

[@kirilld6206]

the pricing is crazy in most regions. If the britts don't like 50 pounds what else can be said about weaker currencies.

[@GoodEggGuy]

I really want them to combine Troy with Pharaoh in a year to create a large campaign around the eastern Med. The timings work: Ramses died 1213BCE, Trojan war was probably just a couple of decades later.

[@dolamrothknight]

dlc 30$ plz........

[@GoodEggGuy]

@@dolamrothknight Yep, that's the problem. They'd need to make it FLC for both Troy and Pharaoh owners and I can't seem them doing that. Too hungry to monetize, sadly.

[@xxrockraiderxx]

What may save Pharaoh is if they decide to follow a bit in the route of the Warhammer series did with Mortal and later Immortal Empires. Troy and Pharaoh are both set around the start of the Bronze Age Collapse. The borders of the campaign maps both meet in the middle of what is now Turkey. They share similar units, and many similar mechanics. I think seeing a Bronze Age Total War where if you have both games then you can play across a combined map with either the much more historical settings of Pharaoh or the more fantastical gods and monsters settings of Troy. That might be the saving grace to this game in the future. But it's a big if of whether they'll even do it. There's a chance I guess, but I'm not holding out for it.

[@defrte]

They were treading on thin ice with this game, not a lot of people asked for this, since most people wanted medieval. After the whole Wh3 debacle, i expect this and hyena to both be dead on arrival. Gj CA.

[@legionerer]

I partly agree with you, but Hyenas never seemed to appeal to TW audience in the first place

[@TPKPatchy]

Neither did Pharaoh honestly, I've not seen anyone hyped for it.

[@goblinappreciator9631]

Honestly, I'm a huge fan of this idea. Bronze age total war, I mean. Just think about it -- a very interesting age that is rarely covered in media. Civilization is making its first steps (well. not the first ones but you get the poing), the world seems mysterious, and the end of it all nears with every day. They should probably stop after Pharaoh, because they've pretty much already covered all the major areas of this age. But still. the game seems fun, and the mechanics are promising.

[@edwingibson7]

Could cover the bronze age of west north africa. as well as the east side of the Middle east, Covering a little bit of Germany and also west asia for the Bronze age would be some thing no one ever Covers. So it would be a Historic title that Corners the market of this time era. Since no on does this era at all.

[@artje90]

rarely covered? it's like the 3rd most covered era with alot of things lost due time cause it is the one era alot of information was lost due to the collaps but it hella more covered then even say the renassance which is like 10x less long ago

[@jessicalacasse6205]

feel like a downgradeof empire which is 2012 game if you remove the fantasy they did not make anything new or bigger just gone cheaper ...( like if you played rome 2 why would you need a full game britania just take britannia as faction but no they got rid of the rest of europe for you to only get 1 territory

[@HeloisGevit]

​@@jessicalacasse6205is this a joke comment? Cause it reads like one

[@willfeen]

Even with the lack of unit variety, I’d play it all day if the combat were totally revamped to look visceral and realistic. Everyone swinging their weapons in a a melee. Soldiers not just *hopping* off of siege towers, but leaping and charging. I guess this will require a new engine. It’s something a younger, hungrier, more passionate studio would do- not CA.

[@JackieItaleri]

The problem is they started making a game nobody asked for everyone was expecting a empire 2 or a medieval 3 but they gave us something that nobody wanted for some reason.

[@leonkennedy8932]

like hyenas a game who literally nobody gives a shit

[@edwingibson7]

I dis agree. there are a lot of people in my life. who love Egypt in history and stories. And that is an untapped market for the devs. and the Devs Covering so many different places in the Bronze era. will corner the market for that time period and era. Since no one is making games of that era. they will attract more players and new fans. Also here are certain city builders and other adventure games made in the past about egypt. So there is a demand for it.

[@artje90]

@@leonkennedy8932 yes a woke trash game that is in a genre which is already has enough competetion. but hey the indy dev of CA can beat epic no problem xD

[@jessicalacasse6205]

i think like blizzard they got rid of talented people and are stuck with was left which means they can t invent just copy which kinda explain why no real uprade except fantasy bs ...

[@Omni_Shambles]

Cope you red-pilled incel. xD@@artje90

[@thedonkey6704]

I do not understand why people want to play small scale total war. If you play medieval you get to experience basically a whole world. If you play Rome 2 you get to experience basically the entirely known ancient world. This is literally 2 countries

[@user-fu2tx9hp4r]

More like TW without 1 army mages,doomstacks and 4 full army each side battles. So you cant declare and crush everyone in same moment.

[@thedonkey6704]

@@user-fu2tx9hp4r all of those examples were Warhammer. This is history total war

[@user-fu2tx9hp4r]

@@thedonkey6704 Read my comment again. May be you missed cant part?

[@Stormtrooper990]

I could be interested at some point if they brought all the "time" periods together. As like a Immortal empires campaign. Just with our world. Vikings, samurai, egyptians and so on.

[@meowmeow7948]

I feel like the price will be the true downfall of this one. I’d love to play it, but I definitely can not justify spending 50-60€ to something that’s basically bit bigger DLC. Might grab it when it goes on sale but alas I doubt higher ups in CA really care about that..

[@WardenNFG]

I will just wait for Medieval 3 the 3rd when all the features and overpriced DLC are out for it, then grab it all on a big sale. Other than the fact Pharaoh isn't the setting I want, the prices make it hard to get excited for ANY Total War right now. Some of the mechanics are good though, Medieval 3 with a HRE mechanic similar to the Pharaoh stuff in this would be cool. I think FOR NOW that CA have lost me as a customer, they will have to do ALOT better than they are recently for me to come back.

[@jessicalacasse6205]

same investor than disney ....

[@zero3556]

Ah yes, finally a "fully historical" total war. With...oh... walls that still don't work as intended and make the units actually weaker instead of stronger, and no cavalry to use any sort of strategy. Perfection....

[@edwingibson7]

I'm looking forward to the Music for this Egyptian Total war game. :) And there are quite a few people out there who are interested in Egypt in a lot of ways. I have met many through out my life.

[@jessicalacasse6205]

yeah none military unless you gone mythology way

[@BlurredVision18]

Nathan has some raw footage of combat on his channel, there was some metal guitar riffs and stuff, so idk.

[@StilleR666]

CA adds mechanics. *spiffing brit joins the battle

[@DanjasLP]

I'm still waiting on that 30-years-war period Total War

[@zrize101]

7:04 "There is a lot of mechanics here that make it feel like a classic Total War". What mechanics are we talking about specifically and how do they offer any experience that is, so to speak, "closer to classic Total War"?

[@funpolepel]

Hey Zerkovich, I also played this preview build and really agree with you. The game just didn't grab me. Warhammer spoiled me and I don't see myself playing this.The unit variety just kills it for me.

[@Kasaaz]

I like that the other systems like Legacy etc. are also based in history. It was important for them to show legitimacy by calling back to previous rulers, etc.

[@oderisson]

If I wanted to play ancient Egipt I would play Tomb Kings in WH3. Here its two dudes duking it out in the deasert. In WH3 my mummified zombie princess riding animated serpent statue can have a battle with 10 meter tall, four armed, pink demon of the god of depravity on an donut shaped atlantis inhabited by ancient and almost immortal race of decadent degenerates. Take Your pick. I know mine.

[@Papadragon18]

The campaign side of things look good, the battles... Well, I've been sceptical of them ever since the first battle displays were posted. The fact that the Egyptian armies on display featured an archery contingent of maybe one fifth of the army - when written records tell us the archer was, at the time, the main/most important soldier of the Egyptian army showed that... Yeah, we're not getting armies where they're even trying to diversify the factions. And unless we see a significant diversification between the armies, I doubt I'm getting this. Which is a shame, because with only three "races" I see plenty of potential for making very distinct army compositions between them. The Hittite chariots were described as heavy and made for actually charging the enemy formation - apply this across the entire army. Make the Hittites melee and shock- oriented, dealing massive morale damage. Meanwhile, the Egyptians try to skirmish and use their archery to actually kill rather than break enemy armies. The Caananites of the time have little records of their military - as far as I know - but we could give them the free slot of good defensive infantry supported by primarily slingers and javeliniers. There is potential there. There is to a degree historical evidence to support very different armies for the different "races". And the fact that we don't seem to be getting that is so frustrating. If I were to pick a time period and place, it'd probably be Europe 1500-1700, with a focus on Pike and Shotte and the wars of religion. It's a time period of so much upheaval and so much potential, and I'd love to see it featured in a full scale total war game.

[@todhold2673]

What a nice robust Troy mod.

[@danielrullmann5131]

"hope to see in every total war going forward" ...never laughed so hart

[@dashkinbitey2027]

what we needed is : Medieval III: Total War. Not a dam copy of Troy with little sugar on the top

[@MrValkilmer35]

If it comes out and is really good i'll probably pick this up. Oct is one of the most crowded gaming months ever though. Total War is still one of my favorite series but i dont have much excitement for this installment.

[@steel5315]

Pharaoh looks good also idk why but at 1:33 in the corner where it just says Buto Buto Buto Buto on all the different little islands that faction controls makes me laugh. It makes me think of the nematodes from spongebob

[@Marchochias]

It's shocking how over 10 years after Rome 2 total war they still haven't added any of the most requested features from historical total war fans, far as I can tell You still can't customize provinces, apparently. The building options are still stupidly restricted per settlement, instead of the much deeper building selection available before Rome 2. Instead we seem to be getting a bunch of gimmicky stuff imported from Troy total war. And I wouldn't be surprised if units still burn and hack their way through gates, ruining sieges entirely, instead of just making players and AI build a ram or use siege engines to get into walled settlements. And of course they want to charge the usual price for a campaign map incredibly narrow in scope with very little faction or unit diversity. This entire campaign map was just a tiny corner available in Rome 2. But when it fails like Thrones of Britannia and Troy (and even Three Kingdoms) did, then of course CA will complain that nobody wants their historical total wars anymore. Which isn't true of course, it's just that mods like DEI for the ten year old Rome 2 total war are leagues ahead of anything CA has made since. Will this one even be more moddable, at least?

[@Kendro23]

Everyone seems to forget about Three Kingdoms 2. It's in development since 2021. I think this will be the next "big" TW game.

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

agreed its the most likely since ca said they were going to finish the three kingdoms period

[@artje90]

would love it for CA if it flopped so bad that CA needs to sell assets. at this point it is what the company deserves after their shitty consumer support

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

A shame another game focused on a specific region. I guess CA must not like making sales anymore if that’s their next plan instead of making a big game

[@ArnorStark]

I LOVE the outpost idea, i hope the keep it and polish it for medieval 3

[@seniorslaphead8336]

This is turning into a pefect storm for CA. It's Medieval 3, 40K... or bust. That dole queue in Horsham is going to be around the block.

[@Lord0x]

Yes for 40k and no for med 3!

[@johnsnow5125]

Total War: Dungeons & Dragons. This time around, you can sex your ministers

[@seniorslaphead8336]

​​@@Lord0xI would prefer Medieval 3 but I think 40k is more likely... it's another guaranteed DLC cash cow.

[@Lord0x]

@@seniorslaphead8336 glad we agree

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

i don't undestand how people think 40k total war is even close to being a possibility with how ca have handled warhammer 3 and the recent historical games. 40k total war game is about 5 years from being a thing

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

Press F to say Rest in Peace

[@jadawin1137]

What I missed in the video is how the battle AI is, given how CA have in the latest Warhammer patches made AI improvements kind of a focus in the patchnotes - but sadly only there, because the "improvements" don't actually exist, in reality they are making the AI only worse and worse with every patch.

[@BlurredVision18]

Different teams, from what I heard from other creators like Nathan, the AI is okay, it's still Total War AI difficulty but not as buggy. They actually try to do things besides reform their line while tanking artillery, or arrow fire, I dont think this game has "artillery".

[@wildweebear2684]

They've already convinced me this game doesnt deserve my money with Shadows of Change.

[@Andy_466]

They probably picked it as a time period and location as it is a quick reskin of Troy to milk a little more money off of that framework.

[@Ableseamansainz]

Total war Eskimo would have garnered the same level of interest

[@d34thnote79]

You said it feels like a "good old total war", but I'm not so sure about that I recently went back and enjoyed some Medieval 2 TW, honestly the nost refreshing TW experience in ages. No 4-10 slot settlements, no "2-4 settlements regions", cavalry charges are propely devastating One of the big things: you don't play as "King Wilhem the Whatever" who's immortal and is made to stand out, no. You play as Venice, the country. Or Mediolan, or Germany etc. Your king died? What a shame, anyway, next one Despite an awful lot of jankiness it is actually really fun and, again, REFRESHING. This looks like the same game with a reskinned UI, reskinned units and a few "new mechanics" which boil down to "Press x button to get xyz boost"

[@delicouscake917]

I mean early access shills gotta shill otherwise blacklist

[@enesbilge1646]

he s lying

[@MrQwertyman111]

This be a smaller Total War? Like Thrones? Like Troy? Well then... thanks for saving me some time and money Zerkovich, will stay clear!

[@MrDitano]

Egypt has a huge mythology about the gods. They just had got more in this way and make it a complete mythology total war this would be much cooler.

[@baconindividual]

tomb kings on earth looking strange

[@IceniTotalWar]

Yeah looks like Warhammer DLC got mixed up at CA and repackaged as a full Historical title.

[@alphamore3554]

Other TW creators have been going on and on about the review embargos on new CA content. This definitely sounds like a review. Are you not subject to a review embargo for this one?

[@therat1117]

'Why are they doing bronze age again' Probably because Troy actually sold well, from stock-holder reports: it made at least $30 million in its opening 3 months. Considering Warhammer 2 made ~$50 million over its entire lifecycle plus DLCs, and Three Kingdoms made ~$100 million in its lifecycle, you can see where CA and Sega are following the money.

[@wolff_04]

The post battle animations between generals are literally the exact same as Troy…

[@edwingibson7]

that is a Good sign that we might see a Combine world map between Troy and Pharaoh. like how war hammer total war 1 and 2 where combined in to a Mortal Empires game mode.

[@enesbilge1646]

@@edwingibson7 hehe u think people buy this reskin and CA will make a 3rd reskin?

[@charleslister8465]

Good review - if it had a full Mythic/fantasy optional compenent and/or had a linked map with Troy - would have def been up for this. The campaign options look really good - hope they appear in Warhammer

[@Nikolas5842]

^ This

[@lucasjleandro]

They will want full price in a quarter game?

[@nah88]

Empire 2 or medieval 3. Just give the people what they want!

[@edwardfontaine7108]

If this game was Medieval 3 everyone would be much more excited

[@KrytoRift]

I know this isn't a hot take but I feel like medieval 3 would make people lose their minds and get a whole bunch of good will back for CA. Also, it would've been fun lol

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

that depends entirely on how the games made a lot of med 2 fans wouldn't want to play it if the combat is just warhammer again like the last few total wars a setting can only carry you so much

[@edwingibson7]

i diss agree. the Fans and players these days. will be mad no matter what they get. they will always find some thing to hate about and complain about these days. I'm tired of people crying wolf and over reacting. :/

[@enesbilge1646]

@@edwingibson7 stop false preaching. people's expectations are obvious.

[@lukalovric2463]

Bro calm down on that copium

[@KrytoRift]

@@lukalovric2463 huh? I'm a Warhammer player. I'm just fine but good looking out

[@juliuswu8835]

CA should really innovate their battle system going forward instead of choosing different time periods in every new game, every real-time battle really feels the same ever since warhammer total 1 came out.

[@spookrockcity]

Baldurs Gate 3 was the only game I'm laying $60 on at release; deservedly so.

[@czukarpathian6621]

I can already see legitimacy system used in medieval 3

[@anarkaification]

Weird to not have Mesopotamia in the game 😮

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

I wish they'd learn from the Massive success that was Warhammer and try some other fantastical settings. I know there's licensing issues but a LOTR TTW would sell like diesel gas at a trucking convention. A Redwall TTW would be so unique and fun, imagine all these animal warriors clashing, different species having vastly different units/playstyles. An Avatar TTW would make tons of money. You have 4 very distinct factions to choose from. There's a mix of fighers, essentially wizards, and mythical beasts.

[@fallenhero4550]

I just hope we get the Greeks and the Mesopotamians down the line aswell opening up the map a little more in the process.

[@madwellmusic8995]

CA just made a historical warhammer with this game. The ui is cluttered with tons of text boxes, it looks like a banking program. The province system is still an issue. Building slots should be represented on the map, giving the player real estate to establish their own towns, military outposts, industries and agriculture. Allowing the player to send population around, enslave enemies to add them to your work force, building labor camps and prisons in your remote lands, and local settlements with potential for growth in fertile valleys. The game itself, in theory is actually brilliant, but immediate stat modifiers, rather than letting the player earn titles by physical action kind of limits the players progression. The devs decide how the player has to play, rather than providing the tools and giving the player these freedoms. Battles, i mean to me, that aspect was completely overshadowed. They marketed unit stances so hard, ive yet to see one person mention it. The battles are so small scale with huge banners. Dont even mind blobbing, its the animation assets and unit combat that looks just as bad as empire. Weightless floaty guys swinging and shuffling...nothing from the map translates to battlefield. Feels very table top to me. Drastically missing the total war formula for such a poorly implemented attempt to make a Bronze Age game. Im embarassed for them.

[@doe6974]

I would be interested if instead of egypt, they did north/south america. With all the tribals and empires that existed there. Sure its over 1000 years, but technologically, they didnt change much between 300-1300.

[@TheDanc1nghawk]

To be fair, this game is a full 200 years before troy. Chariots were the horse driven warmachine at this point.

[@zaleost]

Being completely honest, the setting does interest me but the scope of the game itself feels far too limit for it to be worth paying such a high asking price for as well as the fact that they've still carried over the character driven aspects from Troy and WH when I would have preferred a more traditional style historical TW approach.

[@MrSweterek]

Honestly this whole game could be jus a DLC to a Total War Troy and Troy would also benefit from changes from Faraoth. I also do not think that this will be the best seller but it will be cool to play on some gamepass or by discount in a few years

[@Baktus300]

Can't wait to play Total war: My back yard Coming 2024

[@erikb9190]

Great insides, thanks very much. I never understood why they don't go to South America: Mayas, Incas, Aztecs. How about Cortez landing?

[@IceniTotalWar]

I would be onboard for that, there's Pre Columbia America, Age of Colonization/Discovery and an Age of Independence that could cover the Americas so well. Atm i'm playing Lucium Total War mod with South America in it's Independence stage.

[@charioteer9527]

I understand it’s not the most popular time period but it’s a personal favourite of mine can’t wait! Kadesh incoming!

[@davidjames1068]

I suspect the reason they went with Bronze Age Egypt was precisely because they could re-use all of the assets from Total War Troy and make a (then hope) cheap, low risk, cash cow.

[@GG-wi7ev]

Seeing the full map of the game , I think you get a point @Zerkovich on your theory for a bronze age dlc that will include Troy and possibly a future title in the series. Most of the map is unplayable area , what could be the reason for that ????

[@For_the-Emperor]

For another fantasy game I would love to see game of thrones world but I’m probably the only one who would want to see that. Get a mix of unit variety, medieval looking time period, and it’s fantasy.

[@rafalst]

Yeah, i am probably going to skip it, but the new mechanics are very interesting. It would be perfect if it was a Shogun 3 or even a Medieval 3 (where you have to become king/queen of a certain country and then expand). Heck, even the egypt setting is cool, but bronze age is meh. Further in the timeline would be cool, with horses and stuff.

[@AbominationalFailure]

Tired of Bronze. Rome II, Atilla, Troy, and now Pharoh. Gimme something feudal plz.

[@VossMarionette]

@@AbominationalFailure Agreed 100%, I love warhammer 3 total war, but I just want to run around in my feudal experience. Maybe make it so I can create a pagan empire to stand the test of time and perhaps reverse the Cristian tide, instead of always taking orders from the Pope. Also, I hope it expands into the entire timeline of the Middle Ages, not just feudal, but also into the high and late periods just like Med-2. I must have my poleaxes! Hell, they could implement the chaos unit mechanics but with buildings that improve them instead of just instantly creating a whole army of knights. Sort of like how you slowly improve your current recruited rabble in Bannerlord.

[@90Rush]

Unit diversity is not always the issue. Sometimes your campaign strategy can change massively because you miss a crucial unit type that everyone else has, or that unit type appear in different tech tiers, or your unit have different availability. This can happen in very basic rosters. Byzantine, Egypt and Turks in vanilla M2 all have access to elite horse archers but they play very differently. In Tsardoms 1448 Sicily plays differently because they can train twice as many heavy cavalry as everyone else. Florence lacks a good native pike unit makes it different from all other Italian factions, etc.

[@winmoeaung86]

I really want to see a historical total war game set around late medieval in east asia with China, Korea and japan in it.

[@PowerPuffSoldier]

That victory point system I've been clamoring for a while. Glad to see finally implemented.

[@trashl0rd]

The gameplay/customization additions alone are looking to turn this game from a meh to something worth considering, imo. Assuming they don't completely drop the ball in other areas, somehow.

[@zackrodriguez6653]

Hell yeah, brother.

[@onyxxninja3262]

Man, this new tomb kings expansion is just not what I was expecting at all

[@nevveran3280]

If this was an Empire 2 Total war I would honestly think about pre-ordering

[@Imrik]

I want either Medieval 3 or Shogun 3. I have a friend who is excited for this, so i may purchase it

[@TheDannyc1991]

Next AAA Coming in 2024 - Total War: North Africa/Mediterranean Bronze Age. RRP £99

[@zil7692]

It's the same issue that the most recent TWW3 DLC: Shadow's of Change has: little content, big prices. The relation between both doesn't correlate anymore. Time to send a message

[@winndypops]

Fuck yes, Sea People. I am a big Bronze Age fan, I am not really sure that this is what I am wanting but I will see how it goes.

[@IngoGarza]

Wish they would do a 40k one. Would be AMAZING.

[@bobbacon1398]

The price. THE PRICE

[@Thereus7]

Take a drink everytime he mentions Troy.

[@cassidyblanc144]

There is no cavalry because it wasn't invented yet and Egyptian didn't had the technology to stay on a horse during a battle with a lot of movement and stuff. They just trapped themselves because they can't create new units in this time period because the battles where pretty archaic 😢

[@Ansi1709]

I'll be waiting until after the release, so that i can watch some reviews and some patches can get to patch up any early release bugs

[@MrDitano]

Next step is maybe a "immortal Realms" but with pharaoh and troy. xD But for real I wish we had got a Total War Vikings.