First Impressions of The War Within Tier Sets...

[@sammehtehdestroyah]

Cant believe Bone Build is 100% confirmed and BIS for all content

[@poopnukem4079]

Insane synergy with Enhance Dog build

[@DJPebs522]

WELCOME TO THE BONE ZONE! I can't believe they went all in with the bone builds!

[@lovelywaz]

Are you saying DKs will be boning all night long next expansion? 🧐🧐

[@chaoshunting5659]

yup lol

[@zuralani1]

BDKs popping permanent bones

[@MrTwisted003]

And gripping and mass gripping with bone builds apparently

[@Cennix_1776]

I can’t fucking wait to play Bone Build.

[@brice9013]

Will tier lists separate blood dk and bone dk?

[@JaySharp1]

Max visibly getting worried that he has leaked the ultimate RWF build. Bone Build

[@Brewnelley]

The tier set's are good, considering we have all these new shiny hero talents and regular talent overhauls to play around with. Having traditional tier sets that pigeon hole you into playing a specific talent build during season 1 would feel really shit.

[@jackmango5603]

Would rather have no tier, with no mandatory check box, and the ability to choose secondary stats on my gear. If it doesnt affect the way you play, then its just there to lock 4 of your gear slots for no reason.

[@stylishskater92]

@@jackmango5603 They should never remove tier-sets ever again, except maybe for special occasions or end of expansion patches. They did before and most people hated it for good reason.

[@jeCktHeReal]

you mean some of these tier sets that do exactly just that?

[@derpderpin1568]

No, there is no 'playing around and learning'. When will people ever understand that with this game? It doesn't matter how they dress up a talent system, they're all solved before content even starts.

[@derpderpin1568]

@@stylishskater92 This is worse than not having them.

[@dracotoy]

Max is not ready to bone in The War Within

[@kasper1241]

In BFA many spec played the same talents the entire expansion. This is why tier needs to exist. Because it gives the devs an easy way to revive dead talents.

[@Fleato]

agreed, but this expansion launch is literally every spec has 2 entire sets of changes lol. i think this is fine as it gives time for people to setting in to their characters with all these changes and gives blizzard datas on how well classes are working on their own on a large scale.

[@Viindiagram]

They prob made them less impactful to see the effects of hero talents. Plus, it's season 1 so I would think the tier bonuses would get better as the xpac goes on.

[@Fleato]

exactly this.

[@Erathoor]

THE "BORING" cuts are amazing !!! ^^

[@christophervelasquez2063]

Good job by Blizz here jsut simple chill Tier bonuses so we can focus on all the other new things, I like it

[@commandercody8511]

Hell yes I will be blood for the first time this expac purely for bone build!

[@ricktifierful]

Something showing up on beta for havoc, the 4pc also gives you a buff for 10sec for 50%reduced cost on blade dance

[@apblolol]

The hunter "woohoo, wow these are so basic." I felt that. As a survival hunter main im rolling in my grave

[@FoliumSakura]

our tier buffs two abilities in our entire kit, and one is solely a 5%. Its looking mighty weak once again for another tier, lets just hope that next week's talent update gives us **sommmmmmmething**

[@apblolol]

@@FoliumSakura i just hope they fix the numbers so i can be competitive with bm

[@somebodyelse9696]

@@apblololyes, BM seems a bit over tuned currently

[@xXStrider02Xx]

If they had Carve to that 4set bonus it would be a start

[@FoliumSakura]

Carve is actually just one of the worst buttons a survival hunter could ever press

[@matthewlevi600]

I know I'm late to this party, but it was a major part of this video. Go back to all the tier sets. Blizzard has stayed that the first tier of any expansion will be "non-rotation changing"

[@matthewlevi600]

They've stated that they want players to settle into the "base rotation" before game altering abilities.

[@wm1573]

Thank you for the red arrow I wouldn’t have seen the gear in the thumbnail otherwise

[@ghanthony72]

I need more of your LARP fireball impressions in my life. That got me good. I'm also a wizard

[@Malavander]

LARP wizards actually throw colored tennis balls. Pitching strikes is a transferable skill.

[@richiewerderits1676]

Is that why wizards were throwing darts in early editions of DnD?

[@SacredFeline]

If they bake the throw glaive tier set bonus into DH talents like I hope they do that would make the blade dance resets on this new tier extra fun

[@armormaster88]

omg that be nutty one can hope right. that make the tier from fine to actauly fun af

[@zuralani1]

I didnt go into the post expecting basic bonuses and went straight to havoc, so I rolled my eyes HARD at first when i read it. Having played it in a few dungeons though, the blade dance reset actually feels really nice and I already want it in s4.

[@zuralani1]

The only complaint i have with it is that, despite the post saying the dont want to push us into 1 hero talent tree or the other, this tier HEAVILY favors aldrachi reaver over fel-scarred

[@talisredstar1543]

I can't stand Rising Glory in Ret tree. you have to use Wake to activate wings? Does the wings bonus go into that Wake's usage? if not that is a waste. I just prefer controlling when I use wings. I like the rotation as hit has been all DF. Having to put wings at the front of your of your burst window just erks me. I mean I might get use to it, but this is like going from templar strikes to crusading strikes. Its going to take me hours to get it into my finger's muscle memory. Becausethat was a huge change going form having to spam Crusader Strike to not having to at all, and it just happened passively. I mean when if first tried Crusading strikes in the beginning of Dragonflight, I swore I was going to have a stroke, because I just couldnt' handle it. lol

[@MakoByte]

So excited to play bone build blood DK

[@Roric_The_Red]

I actually kinda like this. The idea that season 1 tier set is simple so the classes new talents (Hero and base) are the things you experiment and play with. Then the next season you can see what the players were playing and build sets more in tune to those ideas.

[@riddermark1398]

Bone build is gonna go insane

[@wobbieadam]

That Mistweaver 4 set doesn't sound bad to me as someone that has played the spec a lot, but would need to check the numbers. Anything that extends Renewing Mist is massively valuable in raid as your healing scales wildly with the amount that you have active, especially during ramps.

[@matthewknepper5864]

For the first minute max’s dog is like I’m here now pet me pet me🤣

[@baro6447]

video summary: "Emm boring ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" 40min saved!

[@PowerCellReactor]

Honestly, I’m loving the Paladin. As a holy player it just seems so fun to be a light forged Angel this go around.

[@jimmyting1103]

Honestly I come to these vids for your dogs input on these builds and I believe he’s a big fan of the bone build

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

I've gotta be real: I hated the look of the pally set when it was revealed. Now that I've gotten to see it in game on my character, it looks a hell of a lot better & pieces of it will definitely be in my mog rotation.

[@MrTwisted003]

Re: @38:41 Am I missing something, as I just came back to wow a lil bit ago, so maybe they're craftable.... but who has a tier set going into their first dungeons and raids? I mean sure, the mention was "first season", but that's an awful long time to "get used to" your hero powers if that's the case. I feel most people would have that down by the time they got, if they ever get, a tier set. Or maybe loot tables are different than I remember and loot is guaranteed now. What am I missing?

[@nathandasilva7]

was wondering why the vids was so short, there wasnt much to talk about those sets

[@wowsew]

I bet dratnos was turbo right when he said they would go basic tier sets for s1 and ramp over the xpac because so many times people were keeping on previous tier sets in DF because even at lower ilvl they were just way better still.

[@patrickboyle1135]

"Wake of Ashes gives you wings" Excuse me? I should probably look into changes huh...

[@StuartRiches]

First tier of an xpac kind of has to have crappier set bonuses to ensure the next 2 tier sets are incrementally better than the last.

[@FoliumSakura]

bone build! so hyped

[@lexiconprime7211]

"Rework" to me means bringing specs up to par, remaking 'pathing' in the talent trees, and changing talent nodes. "Re-DESIGN" to me is what they did to enhancement in Legion, what they did to warlocks in MoP, what they did to ww monks in Legion. Redesigns in my view change the fundamental core of a class or spec and make it nearly unrecognizable from its previous gameplay flow.

[@dantrethekid1539]

Instead of calling it a rework you should call it a restructure. The whole idea behind the class at the end of the tree is relatively the same but how you get there is different

[@dwayne8273]

Resto shaman tierset only sinergizes with farseer...also...still waiting on shams reworl its so lame shamans will get picked bcuz poison totem

[@stephenguidry8814]

I wouldn't say the Pres 4 piece is bad, a 200% increased reversion echo'd to everyone seems pretty decent to me.

[@zgedge6473]

Oh for sure...... if the verdant embrace you had to use to get that didn't consume the echos first

[@kj01a]

Max you seem even crankier than normal in this one. You okay, bro?

[@victorviewer]

hes always like this.

[@ChromaticEagle]

Pretty sure he’s just clowning chat

[@TheSilverwing999]

Nah he's been a bit on edge lately

[@themInterwebs]

This and the poddyc, feels combative with the public

[@vital1114]

never understood why aff lock isn't just reverse resto druid

[@NoBSfromBishes]

As a KZbin Andy, the amount of undeserved strays I caught was as bad as the tier sets. Gun fish for mod

[@zacharycarter5226]

Max do top 10 raids since legion with dork, Pete, dratty

[@josephbanet5410]

As a Warlock main I couldn’t be more disappointed XD

[@dylanfitzpatrick9423]

They’re so scared that hero talents will scale too hard with tier sets that are good

[@Thorn796]

Some tiers are so bad that some of them might not even be bis, depending on secondary stats. I get that hero talents are the spotlight, but a chance to proc a 5% dmg increase for 6 seconds on a 4pc (Destruction warlock) I might rather more haste or mastery like that's rough. I get that tier is just numbers rn, but they should at least give you a 5% overall passive dmg increase to at least feel like you acquired the tier set. Now its not even noticable.

[@duman173]

people will enjoy these being simple when they have all the new talent trees and hero talents to play around with and learn

[@assault410]

fair point

[@derpderpin1568]

No, there is no 'playing around and learning'. When will people ever understand that with this game? It doesn't matter how they dress up a talent system, they're all solved before content even starts.

[@sillwigler]

@@derpderpin1568if you are autistic sure but some people like to make what they like stronger and not worry if it one percent worse than something else

[@EriSenshur]

​@@derpderpin1568 dawg chill it's a video game you can play around and learn regardless of what the meta is.

[@wapniak666]

unless you are rogue

[@toreole5831]

17:23 firedup in shambles

[@tristanmattwig8541]

I mean we are getting reworks (whatever you want to call it) and hero talents. I dont need tier sets to be super complicated

[@derpderpin1568]

What does that have to do with literally anything? The 'reworks' and hero talents solve themselves before you even start playing.

[@EriSenshur]

​@@derpderpin1568you must be blizzards biggest fan if ur spamming people being optimistic, classic "I have no problems thus I need to make my own problems"

[@tristanmattwig8541]

@@derpderpin1568 I dont understand your argument. They are gameplay changing things being added to the game. Tier sets add in more complexity when we are just playing with other stuff

[@PapaDolmio]

"I hate wizards of all kinds" is a bar

[@Eggwynn]

the arcane 4pc sounds really really really good for m+ barrage cleave

[@deepzz4056]

Hero talents change classes a lot it’s a decent reason not to complicate the set bonuses

[@12fulworld69]

I think it's fair that tier gets more and more complicated over an xpac

[@Snaxarus]

I’m a monk main. I like Brewmaster’s tier. The windwalker tier seems weak and not fun. And mistweaver plays so well at the moment that simply having a boring tier bonus is fine.

[@quademullins4767]

Yanno I’ve literally never been in a m+ or a raid, I usually pvp but max kinda has made me want to try raiding

[@richardjones8846]

some tier sets: game changing omg i can't wait to play this! hunter tier again for the Nth time: 5% 2p 10% 4p "woo hoo"

[@Vikingeek]

My Hot Take: The first tier of each expansion SHOULD be bland and almost flat % increases, and while the numbers might be low on these tiers I think they do the right thing. Between expansions there are nearly always a whole bunch of class changes, be it reworks, adding hero talents or what not. Not to mention a lot of people switching mains etc. So the first tier should be playing with all the new toys characters got with the expansion. Then tiers 2 and 3 should be where the devs cook with getting funky, those tiers SHOULD be all about creative ways to change up how specs play the game because by the end of the first tier everyone is "done" with all the new toys, so are more invested in what tier sets change up for their spec.

[@ParthPatel-bh4ki]

you can tell no one in the chat or max pvp's - the 4pc heal for evoker is huge for pvp... and rbgs...

[@TheSilverwing999]

Btw why does max not have vods on twitch atm?

[@Daldir]

Same amount as effort as always for hunters

[@sirscizor8935]

Where the chapters at Fronk?

[@fronkacean]

oops made a typo should be fixed now

[@Maurodax]

As someone who dabbles in Demo-lock from time to time, god do I hate Shadowbolt, why base set-pieces around it? Base it on your demons instead.

[@jonteguy]

Tiers should exist but they shouldn't force you to pick certain talents etc imo. They also shouldn't be too powerful. I think they being like 8% of your damage is a good balance. 13-15 is too much and 5 is too little.

[@NlaterbolZ]

Dude renaming MASSIVE ATTACK to ravage (something we all ready have) is turbo sad. Rip Massive Attack

[@Bloodyscissors]

I think the real reason we get such boring safe tier sets in the first season is that the people making them don't know how the classes are going to play yet. If they made an entire tier set around Decimating Bolt, and then three months later it gets removed from the game now you have to come up with something completely new. Making generic builder/spender bonuses is just the safe bet.

[@sombrego2260]

I love how mistweaver tier set is yet again pushing towards a caster playstyle when the class was not designed to be a caster. Sometimes it feels like the designer in charge of sets has no idea how mistweaver plays and the designers in charge of the class itself do and they never agree. I'm also a bit sad the bonuses are not tied to hero specs as it was first announced, it was a cute idea.

[@Sinuvil]

imagine designing a Tier set with "taking damage" for a Tank who relies on parrying

[@riccardo6606]

how are survival hunter tier sets always so underwhelming?

[@spicymayo3242]

You could pick a single mage or rogue specs tier and it would have more effort put into it than all of the hunters 🤣

[@gabrielmcginn2508]

Blizzard Devs - Hey ChatGPT make new tier sets that are not exciting or engaging Boom nailed it

[@AirtonTerres]

Maybe..... the dev team think "oh, lets do some basic tierset, because ppl need learm the new exp, the new hero talents, and all the new stufs, and we cant buff just one hero talent!".

[@Genmurasaki]

Boring tier sets make alot of sense for balancing, but in all its an absolute mistake since thats what most people look forward to. Gearing is suppose to be fun and something you are excited about.

[@richardjones8846]

20:05 it's been nearly a decade and hunters are still asking for Tier18 back.. they wouldn't even give it back to us as a legendary. it's so comical how fucking awful they mistreat hunters

[@selv_]

holy shit nu-blizz get it together

[@Spurberino]

Did he just skip frost mage :(

[@mellowsunset7730]

I like you defending tier existing and being interesting - but you skipped frost mage it was one of the better ones 😢

[@dzinx0rrr]

if tier sets in S1 of tWW are looking that weak, we can only assume all tiers in all seasons will stay this bland. So that in season 4 they all will have equal chance when people vote

[@maeveevans2252]

not tuning, not reworking, it's 'revisiting'. it's the same class concept and outline, but a different plan.

[@kavx4208]

The mage arcane 4p is absolutely awful, in ST where it seems we are likely to play big barrage harmony builds the 4p makes it so you dont care about harmony stack and just send proc on cd, and is completely useless in AoE due to how orb barrage works with arcane charges.

[@kavx4208]

even if tuning meant it so that we did hold to 20 harmony stacks for barrage, that would mean that we would ignore 4p proc which is also bad design. Love a good Loss-Loss situation of a turbo ass 4p

[@Painchiller]

did he just skip mage after fire 4p? :D

[@T_Birmingham]

Cone build best build

[@nyixxs3537]

classes are being updated'

[@mobgoblin7016]

Sets are boring so they dont conflict and take away from hero talents but yea still sad that theyre lame

[@Nemesis-Illidan]

bone build kinda crazy

[@w_3ird0h]

It’s not a rework, it’s an iteration. Class design is never done.

[@Jack-sn2ih]

Hunter segment 20 seconds 🤣

[@StuartMitchell88]

I like the idea of tier sets not being super OP - means you actually have a choice whether to hunt tier, or just gear with better stats. Tier being default BiS is kinda boring now that you can get it from anywhere. It made sense when you could only get it from raid, but now that you can get it from a bunch of places, give us a choice.

[@know_Name]

Bone Build

[@matthewbreen1951]

What The Dog Doin?

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

DONT LISTEN TO MAX, THE BONE BUILD IS REAL

[@asapshocky]

200% Reversion that will not even echo I'm sure. what a shit tier set for Preservation, but hey at least we'll look cool

[@ZeroiusProduction]

Bring back azerite and corruptions, if this is too boring, but if they did that, it'd be too much, where tf is the middle ground? No sht they're boring when we have literal talents that defines classes, no need to bring in tier sets that does X when u do X too, keep it as a stat stick and leave it at that..

[@Zetherior]

Tier was wack for pvp anyway.. nerfed by 50% and the gear had clunky stats.

[@DanaEatstheWorld01]

First set of raids with the exception of dragonflight for the last 5 years have had NO tier. First raids shouldnt have any tier imo.

[@Finn3h]

I'd love for tier sets to be weaker I'm tired of getting hunted 10 times in a 5 minute arena

[@venaseph6314]

Let’s nerf tank trinket dmg and give them dmg components in tier sets…

[@itssryan8431]

most of these set bonuses are just a rehash of the past couple patches and a few old ones the fuck man

[@Tihomir21]

3% DR to All Tanks Set Blizzard: Genius DONE