Making The Worst WoW Raid of All Time

[@johnthebarbarian]

Walk into raid, do hellfire assault - walk through door, ported back to start hellfire assault starts again - truly a nightmare

[@ryanpower1291]

It's all hellfire assualts? *guy with a gun to the back of my head* always has been

[@Arizonian312]

Hellfire assault was not even a bad fight especially if you were an AoE class like a bloodbath warrior that just got to pad the hell out of the meters. It was a fine first fight imo

[@jacobtafoya2462]

@@Arizonian312 The problem with HFA is that it didn't matter if you were Normal Dungeon geared or full BiS, the fight ALWAYS takes the same amount of time.

[@DarkMage501]

@@Arizonian312 It was pretty bad, even for an 'add boss'. It took forever and you couldn't outgear it making it a faster fight. A lot of the time you were just standing around waiting for something to happen.

[@dratnos]

can't believe fronk is still editing these videos i thought for sure he'd be fired by now..

[@fronk_inc]

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[@Fr33mx]

@@fronk_inc aint no way

[@robinandersson99]

Can't believe you didn't even have stormwall blockade as an honorable mention for worst second to last bosses, I'm disappointed dratnos!!

[@SunniestAutumn]

@@robinandersson99 SLG makes Stormwall Blockade seem like Rygelon.

[@robinandersson99]

@@SunniestAutumn Yes because its SLG is such a horrible boss, I never said Stormwall Blockade was worse than SLG

[@ujai5271]

If you want to make it even worse, have the layout as Mount Hyjal, and just add the worst trash pulls in there before you get one attempt at the boss. And if you wipe, you have to do the trash again.

[@kristoferandersson6764]

Yeah for worst trash category they'd need to call up a friend that started a little bit earlier then Dratnos :) And I really do feel like you have to go pre-wrath in this category. They had already learned to avoid the worst types by then :)

[@gary6631]

make the raid play like black morass or violet hold from tbc/wotlk

[@buitreofficial7765]

@@gary6631The fucking endless crocodiles.

[@austinhensley6553]

post twin emps trash in hyjal format thank me later

[@Liratan]

God that ad read was amazing, totally not reading a script in one take

[@WoWWyrdSisters]

I couldn't stop laughing at Dratnos glocking Fronk.

[@jeffryb7883]

Keep Madness as the end boss, but then insert Sha of Fear as a secret mythic-only end boss.

[@GhostTownATL]

That Cribs addition was legendary

[@richardd1309]

Sennarth the ice spider (perma moving) as a frost mage… was the funnest boss experience I’ve ever had…. The CD’s aligned ✨perfectly ✨

[@Catxukluth]

There should have been a 3 boss wing with all council bosses, just because it would have made group finder an absolute nightmare

[@breadstickz4]

When @Dratnos shortened the dungeon journal to the “Dunjy Jay” I knew this was gonna be a banger

[@wowsew]

Dratnos always gives a pass for the first attempt at something and i agree

[@rebel6176]

MAx must be so far into omniheroes. The enthusiasm is 10/10

[@booradley6832]

Seriously, did they insult him right before he went on to do the ad? Or did the check bounce? I've never heard max sound that flat and boring. The man literally reads wowhead articles out loud with significantly more life to him. Cmon Max, I know you can do way better. Next time pretend THD absolutely hates it so you can get pumped to sell it to people and make it more popular.

[@cookingwithhedonismbot8900]

He CAN do better, but should he? Fuck em d00d

[@VividVoid]

56:05. I think they were talking about Mythic Raz since Max spoke highly of Heroic Raz before. For Heroic specifically, Razageth is probably my favorite boss ever.

[@StarShopping69]

Personally have some of my fondest raid memories from Maut. DPS begging healers for externals, DH’s getting one shot by Infinite Stars, sure running out purple is annoying but the reflect effect was genuinely fun.

[@robinandersson99]

i agree, it was easy enough that it wasnt a problem and some of the funniest moments i have ever had in wow comes from that boss and people getting oneshot by infinite stars or yelling at healers so that they can keep pumping, it was hilarious

[@StarShopping69]

@@robinandersson99 yep, some of the biggest laughs I've had. I would always ask our prot pal for sac while I sent my burst into it haha

[@StrobeFireStudios]

I love dratnos' voice. He always sounds like he's about to burst out laughing or crying, I have no idea which

[@nilsp9426]

The only thing missing is a rep grind to open the raid - on every single character. A turtle has made it to the water.

[@RubixNinja]

Funny thing, Senarth was my favorite boss of that raid. It was the only boss that had any sort of new unique mechanic. The biggest issue is they just missed the tuning on it, the health total was crap.

[@FMGHarlequin]

As a representative of the civilian AOTC guild/raid leader ... Sylvanas is hands down the worst AOTC End-boss. The problem was both the length combined with the difficulty spike in p3. It was SO HARD to practice p3 clean, because people would get sloppy & lazy in p1 and p2. Getting insta-killed by a chain spawning, getting "hit by a flying couch" in p1 intermission, or falling down a tiny hole in the bridge would eat all your BRs. So you'd spend like 9 minutes only to get to p3 with zero BRs and 4 people dead. Then have a Black Arrow target someone who has never even seen p3 before insta-killing us. Or have someone wiggling around like a chicken right before Raze to and scooping up some pools - straight to wipe. The. Worst. This made me think there should be like a "Chromie Practice Mode" for last bosses in all raids, where you could instantly warp to any phase to practice without getting kill credit. P3 wasn't hard, but us civilians need a little practice to get our black arrow timings down.

[@Senen33]

As a representative of the civilian AOTC raid leader... I'm so glad I said to my raid "we have no priest in the comp so I'm gonna come on my alt priest, even though I have 0 experience raid healing as priest". Made p3 a breeze.

[@Scruffed]

For heroic I think Kil'jaeden from Tomb of Sargeras was a worse AOTC boss than Sylvanas, plenty of opportunities for one player's mistake to kill the whole raid, and a relatively high damage check.

[@HurricaneSparky]

This made me laugh. I got CE Sylv after 260 pulls. I kind of agree with the Chromie idea. I wish we could've just practiced platform 3/4, since we had dozens of pulls wiping on just that point learning the mechanics. Nights were brutal with back to back 14:35 wipes to the Berserk, surviving 2-4 razes deep.

[@teapea8184]

Extra stink for Sha of Fear is that you could afk half the raid to make it easier and longer.

[@Medinaxz]

Surprised none of the dragon soul bosses made this list. That raid was universally considered garbage.

[@rageman2247]

Skitra is literally lords of dread but the amogus mechanic was actually fun and interesting

[@felskeren284]

I am so happy to hear someone mention Magmorax from a healing perspective. I fkin love healing that fight man

[@jandolezel2585]

I think they heavily underestimated how big stinkers were Uldir bosses. At least for regular CE guilds it was absolute hell. Mother was fun when it was played as intended but people found out very fast that you could just skip the first two rooms by stacking healer CDs and running into the last room and the boss was reduced to a training dummy. Fetit devourer, Zul and Ghuun required an absurd amount of class stacking and you needed a different class for every one of those fights. Also Zul was hell for guy taking care of debuff on adds and Fetid and Ghuun was really Keele unfriendly fights. At least one of those fights should have made a list just to hammer in how fking bad the raid was.

[@evanklein2855]

Totally agree with Fatescribe (personal least favorite) and Heart of Fear, Sha--about a month ago I was curious and started watching old raid tier world firsts and I came across HoF. They lusted THREE times in that fight. That is insane.

[@Hephera]

Heart of Fear is the raid with all the bugs in it. U mean Sha of Fear.

[@billjohnson2307]

@@Hephera well thats the bosses name lol the Raid is called terrance of endless spring xD

[@evanklein2855]

whoops! yes, that's the one, good catch.

[@Drewbertttt]

I will never understand why Blizzard died on the hill of SOTFO being one of the most overtuned and impossible raids ever. They took way too long to nerf it and from what WF raiders were saying, it was like pulling teeth to make Blizzard nerf it. The raid single handedly killed a ton of guilds.

[@permabanned3849]

sepulcher was one of the best raids ever released in any mmo. it's a tragedy blizzard whiplashed so hard and the two raids since have been an utter joke. their only mistake was nerfing the raid at all, guilds should have had to clear prenerf halondrus anduin and jailer to clear the raid

[@Swoopanater]

@@permabanned3849I’m glad you are not in a position of power for anything.

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Yeah, guilds falling apart had nothing to do with the horrific sexual abuse scandal at all....

[@Redhactv]

@@StrobeFireStudios Contributed but wasn't the reason. When you do raid bosses and it's a wipe fest after wipe and people gquit/uninstall, its probably the boss that was the straw that broke the camels back.

[@kingudanise]

Legion M Kiljaeden still gives me nightmares. M Carapace was god tier aesthetically and as a melee dps was a padfiesta. So actually fun

[@BigTheTank]

Snoop doggs cennarth displate lmfao that is incredible

[@IanStrain23328]

Mythic Vigilant Guardian was actually a fun boss since you can actually hit something the entire time, unlike Normal or Heroic where things are dead before you even see them

[@vulture27fm]

Chat was calling it out but General Vezax deserves serious consideration as an all time crap boss (even if it was from the earlier expansions they wanted to leave out). Almost half of the fight you are literally doing nothing. Its not fun to dps. Its not fun to tank. The main healing mechanic is to NOT heal. Bugs can cause you to accidently not activate the hard mode so you get to start all over just standing there.

[@rep8778]

As a tank, heroic Spine of Deathwing was not fun at all. There were stop damage moments, the balancing mechanic, and the kiting 100+ blood boils for 15 minutes. Maybe as a DPS this was fun?

[@KaX321]

I despise the experiment balls, whether or not they actually get pushed in the right directions depends on your own lag. And anything above 100ms (the entire god damn continent of central and south america) means you CANNOT run into them without unpredictable results. In my own experience, if we started avoiding a boss on farm weeks, not even on mythic, on heroic after getting a skip, that makes it bad. Recently Dathea and in SL Fatescribe (Also lag dependant movement-enviroment interaction mechanics). All around terrible.

[@zannusx]

I totally forgot Sha was damn near half an hour, I must have locked away those terrible memories of that dumb fight

[@DraculOkeanos]

honestly despite it being a classic boss and arguably shouldn't be there: I'm tempted to say for second boss, Vaelstrasz the Corrupt, because it was the hardest encounter in the raid that you had SECOND, so a lot of people just did not get to see the rest of Blackwing Lair because of Razorgore and Vaelstrasz being back to back. Just feels worth an honorable mention for 'bad second bosses'.

[@emimonsterlicious]

The first boss of Black Wing Layer (yes, I know, only Tier 2) was a special POS. It was the first Trash Boss, except most guilds couldn’t really get down the orb controlling thing, and we didn’t have +dmg on our gear and few ppl knew how to max their spec so our dips was struggling not to be overwhelmed by trash. Most people had no idea what was going on. And then in Classic rerelease, everybody is covered in BiS and buffs and they’re standing around doing nothing bc everything’s dead.

[@bigbobam8857]

Can't remember the name of the fight, but you fight two of Queen Azshara's luitenants and if you /emoted at her above in any rude gesture you could be insta killed even through immunities. There existing an actual troll mechanic that someone can exploit is very bad.

[@spooky_zen]

22:48 this fight was great it was sort of transition fight after a scene change SoO was a great a raid

[@Evilmon2]

I don't even think mythic Sylv would need the removal of P2 to make it amazing, just the removal of the entire chain and dodge intermission between P1 and P2. P2 itself moved along at a good pace in mythic with you doing both sides at once, it just came after about 30 seconds of holding dps for the exact right push time and then an entire minute of simple but extremely punishing dodging with nothing to attack or heal. Normal and heroic P2 were too long though, if they didn't want to have to make the raid split up at those difficulties then they should have just had half the segments.

[@cerebralisk]

legit sha of fear also belongs just on being equally miserable in the theoretical normal mode of this raid, it still took forever but only because it's a huge tarball of hitpoints and people are constantly having to leave to do crucial but incredibly dull tasks

[@shannoncovert274]

I've only ever /ragequit a raid for the rest of the tier one time, and it was because of Fatescribe. We kept wiping because we had a bunch of casuals that couldn't manage the ring, and even our better half of players struggled with the interaction actually registering/triggering back and forth. The fact that it would wipe the whole raid to have 1-2 players missing or failing a mechanic, and being in smaller raid sizes to where it was almost inevitable, was painful.

[@drakedbz]

I think next should be a tier list of the worst mandatory rep/zone grinds for raid prep. The most cringe grinds you had to do before/during raid prog to be optimal.

[@Frstypwngaming]

Pre-nerf ultraxian trash was THE WORST ever.

[@roberthaislmaier4652]

I'd like to nominate the Ultraxion trash from Dragon Soul

[@beaklon4life]

Blackwater Behemoth swam so Tindral sageswift could fly

[@Shadarfaile]

I have zero good memories about Kel'Thuzad in Sanctum. We were trying to go back to clear Sylv just once during season 4, we got close to cutting edge, but going through KT was the most miserable experience I can remember in any raid.

[@Fleato]

the same thing you say for magmarax is the same i feel for nzoth as a healer. i pushed ce in nyaloth and that fight was the most fun i have ever had healing in a raid ever. and i know most people hate that fight or think it's mid but you will generally hear a lot of healers say they enjoyed it. and carapace hard agree, first 2 phases ass. 3rd phase fucking sick. super intense.

[@OsyrissTV]

I was skipping around the vid, I saw Fruitscribble.. and bro, that boss deserves to be on that list twice.

[@forrestorick3845]

kael thas from tempest keep is a pretty reasonable argument, that boss was so bugged for months that you literally couldn't kill it

[@Kylora2112]

"Okay healers, you're going to generate an assload of threat against inactive untauntable bosses!" Although I think KT and Vashj were so broken because Black Temple wasn't ready, so having guilds with nothing but Hyjal would have been dogshit.

[@mihailatanassov8901]

Anyone else realize on the ad read it was the soundtrack for the grim fight from hollow knight

[@essmene]

The first Sunwell Trash had a lot of CC. I remember two banish, several sheep, ... None of the late Raids do require CC. I think there are options for the worst raid. Next would be Black Temple setup. Just make people run a marathon with a single teleport 1/3 of the way. And back in the day there was 99% spell hit. "Brutalus resisted the taunt!" -> wipe. So you have a two tank mechanic with a random spell resists surprise mechanic.

[@StuPop1274]

Only thought I had about 2nd boss was Horridon from ToT, cuz it was either super easy for guilds or super hard

[@spooky_zen]

14:19 this fight in LFR... people wouldint even click the waterbreathing buff let alone do the mechanics

[@jpbarry93]

Galakras didn't have a hard enrage and it didn't have a difficult soft enrage in phase 1, meaning the tower group could delay their climb until an easy wave of adds spawned in at the bottom. The demo siege vehicles would then attack a tower with no one in it. My guild 1 shot it after a 17 minute kill since this cheese strat involved killing a 3rd cycle of adds. Galakras was special alright.

[@ivenstorm]

The only problem with Galakras now is that his encounter sometimes bugs. I was on one of the turrets and I couldn't hit him, even when he was right in front of me. The target just went through his character model.

[@business_man_alex]

Fronk going ham on the editing to redeem himself. Thanks for the edits. The video looks sick @fronk

[@niruh__2931]

I just killed M Zskarn and I will say there is some weird stuff that happened like moving the boss across the room too fast gives a hellish overlap. But if you just walk with him it gives no overlap... Weird . but other than that I thought it was a good fight!

[@MrTalicor]

That Cribs segment is Goat'd

[@OneOfTheLoveless]

47:40 Max waiting for dratnos to realze what joke he just made.

[@ryanlarsen5965]

Honorary mention for pre pandaria bosses… Mannoroth was awful even as a 1-shot instance, and Hyjal trash were fucking AWFUL, especially since you could essentially go from Serpentshrine right into black temple and skip nearly half of all Burning Crusade raids even as progression switched to 25man instead of 40

[@Zestybackwash25]

Only fight I think was really missed, would have replaced fate scribe with Spine of Deathwing. I know we were giving older raids benefit of the doubt but that was historically hated fight.

[@masony101]

I propose a new spin on this kind of video - Most disappointing raid of all time. Make a raid full of bosses that had huge hype or potential and then turned out to be massive disappointing. Fights like Paragons of the Klaxxi, Xavius etc. Also I can't believe nobody ever brings up Varimathras when bringing up bad fights. That fight was never fun to play and was skipped every week, every time.

[@duckwings4927]

Will you guys also do: making the best raid of all time? :) pretty interesting content!

[@LimitMaximum]

we've already done that, it's linked in the description :)

[@codyshaffer8714]

Question, why did you use nightmare king grims theme for the ad read lol

[@taylorlukes4810]

The boss in Firelands where you just hit his foot till he falls over is absolutely deserving to be on this list 😂

[@ivenstorm]

Lord Rhyolith, and he doesn't fall over immediately, you have to navigate him over the geysers/volcanos to break his armor.

[@kyleflickinger4271]

As someone who doesn’t hate raid trash I think an unsung hero, a true stinker, is the sheer amount of trash and walking distance between iron reaver and the 2 other boss rooms in HFC. You probably slaughtered around 200+ orcs worth of trash, including several stealth mobs that were just terrible to deal with.

[@Maxieriksson]

Man I wanna play OmniHeroes now

[@Jordcam]

zaqali assault is known as "is this the boss?" within my guild

[@ScoopCoop]

OmniHeroes add uses music by Christopher Larkin, he did the soundtrack to hollow knight. The song is the nightmare king grimm theme, I wonder if they paid him a licensing fee?

[@TheWhotrain]

I feel they missed Tectus, I dont know the general feeling towards that boss, but having a 1 shot repeatedly kill people was horrible for our guild

[@rekku204]

Oww you got a sponsor, gz man :)

[@cod-the-creator]

Gunship battle was fun b/c it was a little respite. I think it's fine to have a loot pinata boss early on in a raid as a reward for beating the first few.

[@Zarod89]

Everyone talking about bosses but what about a raid with the most tedious unskippable trash in between every single boss.

[@amethonys2798]

I think AEP bosses could've made a lot of the slots on this list. So many bosses were so unbelievably mid and questionable why they existed. Ashvane was a big stinker for a "wall" boss and it was immediately followed by a garbage add boss.

[@LATHSPELL70]

Did you guys throw dom shards in there as a borrowed power for the tier?

[@wallisa]

as a healer magmorax was one of my all time fave bosses in the raid cos i actually felt like i was really doing something

[@bishop1412]

my guild died on sludgefist; it was an awesome fight, we did end up killing him, and then we never went back in

[@marrin98]

I like how all the fights are just assults or add fights xD

[@nickclouser793]

Im surprised spoils of pandaria didnt get mentioned. Hated that more than galakras

[@smokingbeard7796]

halondrous bugs were the issue imo, like the room textures disappearing and stuff like that

[@AndrewStrife]

Maybe the greatest ad read of all time.

[@Ihaveaboxfan]

my friends guild on SLG had the wicked blade target his pet once when they were about 150 pulls into the fight

[@mtkx11]

we need a video for the "hardest raid of all time"

[@ShaiKappaElKappa]

I'm surprised Spoils of Pandaria or Dark Animus didn't make it into the list

[@Kamia2003]

End of expansion: instead of fated raids give use “the best raid ever” and the “the worst raid ever” time walking raids.

[@OneOfTheLoveless]

Even at 70 I`'m hesitant to zone into HFC because assault takes half of my HFC runs.

[@mikepfaff4985]

I know there no wotlk in here but gotta shout out the champions fight from togc as worst 2nd to last boss of all time. Trying to teach pve nerds to pvp in a heroic setting was just the worst

[@macish1337]

How is Paragons of the Klaxxi not on this list?

[@Drengen10]

Hot take: Outside the randomness of phasing causing waves to spawn inconsistently, stone legion general was pretty decent

[@karlzone2]

I'm surprised no Mistress Zuchini from Legion. That fight was awful and got worse on every rekill.

[@teogoiffon7083]

What about Will of the Emperor from Mogu'Shan Vault as a last boss?

[@vigridr7614]

As someone that was in a guild that fit comfortably into top 15 (usually top 10, creeping into top 5 specifically in Terrace) every single tier from the start of Cata until Siege of Orgrimmar, I can say WITH EASE that Sha of Fear is the correct choice here - that fight just SUCKED, and when something sucks for 25 minutes straight after you've been raiding for 14 hours straight, it REALLY sucks. Madness was super bad too, but that was again mostly relating to it being a letdown when it came to lore/scale more so than the actual fight being terribly designed (which it still was).

[@chriseshleman9340]

Whats crazy is my guild killed mythic sennarth in like 22 attempts

[@samschroer9810]

i know they didnt have mythic difficulty out but even on heroic one of the top 5 worst experiences ive had in heroic compared to mythic was Dark Animus in ToT.... if you can include ICC gunship battle you HAVE to include Dark Animus...

[@Nr4747]

Worst 4th boss: Drest is absurdly boring on heroic and weirdly complicated on mythic, making it the worst for both worlds - at least as a DPS player. Sure, I absolutely "love" being "rewarded" with having to afk for half a minute because our raid does "too much" DPS, how "fun".

[@Axle_grinds]

Majordomo Staghelm was such an underwhelming second to last boss in Firelands. Great raid, stinky boss.

[@erikentenmann2117]

vanilla through cata would be a separate video imo

[@Frankenllama]

Hellfire - anduin - sylvanas then repeat 3 times. and you do a nyalotha hole after every boss.

[@ZeroX252]

I did spine from three perspectives. Tank, melee, and ranged dps. Fight was actually excellent. I'd imagine even as heals it's a cool fight. Everyone has a part of the fight where their buttons fucking MATTER. It's part of why it's so damned hard. Everyone has an important contribution. Dps cool downs make or break the tendon dps check. Tank cds, kiting, threat and taunts all matter. Healer cds matter for the rolls. Healer management of the dispels matters. It's all relevant.

[@Azzaaah6]

Really surprised Xavius wasn’t a shout considering how easy it was

[@trevorworkman2060]

Socrethar the Eternal would be one of my least favorite mid fights. Maybe because the guy we had in the mech wasn't the best, but stupid only one person did it too. (Funny enough you can ask Driney about this, we raided together there) Ambershaper and Guarm are also contenders for meh bosses. I also really hate the Ultraxian trash

[@Drengen10]

For the 2nd boss: Skitra Sun Kings Salvation Chronomatic Anomaly Felhounds

[@seifyk]

Spine sucked because resto shaman was garbage until they added spirit link totem in the dragon soul patch, then made a fight that essentially required 2 spirit links