First Listen to The Vengeance Saga | Not Sorry for Loving You, Dangerous & Charybdis Reaction

[@elmitchell3843]

“Let’s get back into it” “600 men-“ “Let’s get the fuck back out”

[@noobguyscrublord3039]

Ody really hit Calypso with 'I'm not sorry for leaving you.'

[@DracoCragore]

FOUL. 😭

[@karolinebergin9347]

And I'm so proud of him for that lmao

[@3nowStorm]

He was more nice about it though haha “I’m sorry your life sucks and all and you’re lonely, but I’m leaving now. Goodbye.”

[@willwatts6733]

😢 too real 😢 😂😂😂😂

[@ChaosQueen623]

STOP-

[@wrantheim6777]

"I hate that I fell in love with you." Yeah, I'm sure Ody hates it even more.

[@andronixbegayaf]

"Do I look like I care?" mood honestly

[@PiaPancakes]

Even as a (slight) Calypso sympathiser, this is very valid 😂

[@danieldavid3766]

“It’s probably gonna be Poseidon” _looks at cover art_ YA THINK?

[@makaramuss]

naaah it was sweese cheese.

[@boywithgituarguitar]

@@makaramussnah its a cheese grinder

[@colinfontenot7561]

​@@makaramuss It's Hades

[@Milk-qf5wt]

@@colinfontenot7561 wet Hades

[@Andronika-bd1wz]

Wet Hades 😂😂

[@blueteller]

I'm surprised that more people are not talking about it, but Calypso's line "For once, I wish you would lie and say-" followed by Odysseus' line of "I love you". Like bruh, he was absolutely lying. He doesn't love her, not even a platonic sense. He just feels sorry enough that he tried to soften the blow before he leaves.

[@theanarchist1017]

Man, I never thought about that. That actually makes me rethink my whole interpretation of the song.

[@Ella16360]

Good observation!!

[@blueteller]

@@theanarchist1017 The way it was animated in the livestream confirms it. Ody's expression when he said it? It was completely emotionless. There was no affection. After saying it, he turned away and left without looking back a single time.

[@makaramuss]

yep... he knows 10 years of this torture missing your wife and son is horrible he can't imagine 100 years of same torture missing your father. He hates her... but she will need every endorsement to make it at that island

[@tektyrant]

Yeah… I am missing something, that was the entire point of the verse

[@KENONICAL]

It’s been speculated by some people that Calypso is using emotional (i think) manipulation by how she doesn’t apologize and practically makes Odysseus feel bad Such as a “I’m sorry that YOU feel that way” kind of way Kind reminder that certain circumstances do not equal consent ❤️ And also Charybdis can be pronounced as “CAR-IB-DUS”

[@boiri]

Thats how i intrepet it like shes rationiolizing (butchered) her trauma onto Ody. Like as u said, "im sorry if my love is too much for YOU. Like its not my fault but urs.

[@criminalchicken499]

I think it's important to consider that Epic's Calypso isn't malicious. It seems the worst she's done in Jorge's version of events was be very pushy, which don't get me wrong is messed up, but doesn't make them fundamentally awful in my eyes In fact, i wouldn't be shocked if in this retelling Calypso gave a sense of companionship, stopping him from jumping off the ledge In standard Mythology though Calypso is awful and genuinely irredeemable

[@cyrusellis2114]

I completely agree Make me sad. To see calypso gettin hate on

[@suunanigans]

in my opinion, it is still somewhat rude to be like “why wont you love me too” and stuff when the VERY FIRST interaction you had with this man was him telling you about his wife. her circumstances are horrible, but that doesn’t excuse being SO incredibly pushy to him after she took one glance at him and decided she loved him. the song kind of gives off the vibe of when people say “im sorry you feel that way” in my eyes😭 it’s sad to think of what she’s been through, but idk it just doesnt excuse it or make it okay to make someone else extremely uncomfortable in a situation they already cant get out of

[@arcticlimbo]

​​@@suunanigans yea but we have to remember they don't have the same human emotions. That's kind of the whole point of her not understanding his feelings. She just never will. From her perspective she could save him. She could be his solution just like he could be hers. Her perspective is just so sad

[@suunanigans]

@@arcticlimbo TRUE i did forget that she can’t really understand humans as a goddess😭 her story and the things shes gone through is very heart breaking but imo it still doesnt fully excuse the behavior, even if she cant understand why its still a very weird situation to be stuck in

[@arcticlimbo]

@suunanigans yea I'm definitely not condoning it. Simply put she has every right to feel the way she does. And so does Odysseus they live completely different lives. Unfortunately she convinced herself otherwise

[@vic-c2x]

When Calypso says ' If you hate me..... Sorry my love was to much for you' it give the same message as sorry not sorry. Like it's his fault for not loving her. When she or anyone else is not and should not expect to be loved just because she loves them. That's not loving someone that's wanting to possess him and rid him of his choices. We know that she didn't let him leave for 7 years. So no, I don't and will not like her. Song is great though. Love your reaction to him seeing home. Admittedly, I cried at that part. Our boy is so so close, painfully so, to home. I just want him to be happy.

[@tyrinstale9382]

It's shows lack of maturity when you take that's as of way of interpreting that. She literally apologized for her actions towards him with being pushy and forcing herself on him but not sorrybfor trying to love him when no one else was there to do so

[@vic-c2x]

@tyrinstale9382 that's your opinion. And this was my. I also don't see how this shows a lack of maturity on my side. When all is said and done she had him for 7 years and a sorry can't negate that. He could have met Telemachus at 13/14 and not 20, helped Penelope avoid the whole suitor problem, Itacha would not be a kingless land for so long. Also weather someone was there to love him or not did not give her the right to force herself in any way on him. A no is a no, be it from a woman or a man.

[@ioanzatui]

​​​@@tyrinstale9382It's not a lack of maturity, it's understanding the way she phrased her 'apology'. She keeps using vague language in a way that she can use to shirk responsibility - sorry IF I pushed too hard, if my love was too much for you. 'If' makes it sounds like it might not have been the reason he was hurting, and by pinning it on HIM by saying he couldn't handle it and not by admitting she was hurting him by pushing herself onto him it gives her a way to dull the effects of her actions. Even her sharing her story and crying and mention how SHE is hurting is to try and make him feel sympathy or guilt for him wanting/preparing to leave. Notice how she only stopped when he said what she wanted to hear, only to let her down, and then she began to lash out and lose it because her attempts to keep him didn't work. It didn't work on Odyssus, but clearly worked on lots of the fans who now are prioritizing their empathy for Calypso's backstory over the pain she caused Odysseus and her lack of remorse for what she did to him.

[@boiri]

Can we appreciate Barbara tho for the vocals. Cuz she is so incredible.

[@vic-c2x]

@boiri vocals were great, there's no question about that. She can sing very well.

[@HPOfficeJetProAll-In-One]

Great reaction, I love your commentary. FYI (as someone who didn’t see the animatics for the first listen), the last song has a much greater effect with the animatic. Its pretty hard to understand otherwise

[@PretentiousGamer]

I agree 100%, especially the last 2 songs

[@vic-c2x]

Agreed. Visuals give it so much depth.

[@Elfygaming]

Completely agree, if there is any song that needs to be viewed first time with the animatic it’s Six Hundred Strikes.

[@rymasan5489]

I LOVE HOW JORGE MADE HER SEEM UNSTABLE , like the whole song she was on and on about not her not sorry for loving him and the second he says he doesnt love her how she wants she became victimizing herself and saying that she regrets loving him and partially blaming him for that 😂

[@evecampbell3069]

I saw a comment that said the only backgrounds singers Calypso has are her and Odysseus because that's the only two humans voices she's ever known! And in some versions of the Odyssey she k*ills herself after he leaves because she knows she's going to be alone for the rest of eternity again. Because no one can find her island without the gods help.

[@The_Hunted]

And in some versions she forced herself on him and has 2 kids from him

[@oklandon09]

@@The_Huntedto my understanding, It’s started in the original myth that she did force herself on Odysseus. However, the idea of her having children by him is a much later idea. Hope this helps

[@jamesconnolly721]

I am pretty sure Nick Holt sings in harmony for "Not Sorry for Loving You". She was trying to figure out why she was reacting. That's it.

[@addy2453]

Me 🤝 you = Percy Jackson beef with Calypso

[@addy2453]

But her VA is perfect. Her VA "slayed" as they say

[@PiaPancakes]

@@addy2453YEESS! Even though Calypso is a pretty divisive character we can all agree that Barbra Wangui killed it in her song. I low-key wanted to feel bad bcus if the voice alone 😂

[@boomgirlbucko]

I remember for one Halloween, me and my "friends" just all wore blankets...

[@LandonFugal]

I love watching your reactions to these musicals!

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

5:35 because desperate people reach out for anything they can. People go crazy in solitary confinement and her's lasted at least 100 years.

[@nathanroy4000]

dude, in the live stream Ody just turns around expressionless, preps the raft and sails away without even looking back at calypso while she is crying her eyes out at the end of the song. it is cold as the depths of space and i am here for it. :-)

[@flanny701]

you said it perfectly, charybdis was indeed in the same channel as scylla the two are the origin for the phrase stuck between a rock and a hard place. the sirens didnt actually tell him scylla was how they get him but instead the strait you mentioned. The first time they came to the strait they had a sizeable ship of many men ~42 and charybdis is a kill everyone or no one kinda monster so the risk for facing him was high compared scylla who'd only take half a dozen or so men at most and would leave the ship mostly intact. this time ody was on a single raft so he could pay the cost of scylla so braved the charybdis but was easier on a raft to not be sucked into the whirlpools

[@SuperSonicBlur]

Charybdis (also know as cardy B for some) is indeed the "hard place" in the expression between a rock (Scylla) and a hard place". As for pronunciation you did pretty damn good! Char-rib-dis or ca-rib-dis is how I've heard it said ^-^

[@30092nana]

If you ever get an opportunity, I highly recommend watching the live stream at some point with the visuals cause they put a lot into context as well as the artist did a really great job

[@LordCrag1998]

"I'm sorry my love's too much for you" is a "I'm sorry you feel that way" ass thing to say imo

[@SeerOfTime577]

Loving these reactions! ❤ Also, those hoop shots in the beginning?? Masterful.

[@ioanzatui]

What's funny is that Calypso isnt cursed to fall in love with whoever shows up to her isle, that's only in Percy Jackson. Nothing compelled her to do the things she did to Odysseus other than her own wishes and needs. And it shows how his pain matters little to her because even when he tried to speak up, she silenced him, and when her last ditch effort to manipulate him into staying with her (by sharing her sad story) didn't work she got mad and lashed out at him. Calypso being imprisoned is a sad circumstance, but she's older than Zeus and her loneliness or supposed naivety doesn't excuse the pain and trauma she caused him.

[@skylerarroniz7513]

🤦🏽‍♂️Im gonna need ur dumbass too google right now Calypsos curse 😒🙄fucken smartass

[@ultima1594]

Considering that they spent seven years together Ody probably started to play along at least a little bit to make her happy, which is probably why she thought there was something.

[@darkparis8967]

I think the reason I sympathize with Calypso is because when I listen to I’m not sorry for loving you it makes my heart hurt for being so relatable in the circumstances that I’ve been through and the ones I’m in right now but I love the song is sooo good

[@TheElectaTube]

I thought the 16:30 ish part sounded like him singing Storm - love this musical concept Vengeance Saga is great love Hermes

[@morsfero]

You're doing yourself a disservice by not watching the visuals from the livestream!! They're so good.

[@RandomMan784]

Let’s freakin GOOO!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@alexmar.3974]

Im also a PJ fan, and I like to imagine and consider (to make both calypsos image fit) that unlike Percy, Odysseus was the first hero sent to her island. So at that intital point she was hopeful of having someone that stayed by her side. In contrast to Percy, that arrives to the island after dozens of other heroes who can't stay with her

[@rickyzeitler7169]

I think the early background harmony of "I'm not sorry for loving you" sounds very similar to "everything's changed since polites" in Keep Your Friends Close

[@Lemych_Lemych]

3:15 And Ithaca waiting, my kingdom is waiting

[@idrc1415]

Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you read the Percy Jackson series? It's been a little bit for me, but I can't recall Calypso being possessive, or in anyway forcing Percy to stay. I'm pretty sure she didn't even offer him the option to stay until way into his stay while recovering. And she tried very hard not to fall in love with him. Now the Calypso from the actual Odyssey, THAT I can understand having beef with lol

[@alexeysimushov4971]

I am already waiting for part 2!

[@boomgirlbucko]

Wait... You've had beef with Calypso since you were 12. So does that mean you had beef from reading Percy Jackson?

[@Glimmerheart]

OH WAIT the reason why Hermes gave the message to Calypso is because he's the MESSENGER GOD😮

[@kittycatzuka]

He's also the god of travelers, so it makes perfect sense for him to accompany Ody for most of the journey (on top of possibly just wanting to cheer up his great-grandson)

[@alyssaclay1127]

How dare KZbin hide this from me for 59 minutes!?

[@aidenk.364]

Nailed the charybdis pronunciation! 👍

[@spectacledbear]

Calypso's whole song is like "i may have came on strong so I'm sorry if you couldn't handle it" super gaslighty

[@Ella16360]

Great reaction! Please please react to the stream. The animatics were incredible and gave a lot of much needed context especially in the final two songs!

[@Elfygaming]

If you love Hermes you need to watch the livestream animatic by Gwendy. Absolute gem!

[@AUCreatoer]

Ur reactions on Not Sorry For Loving You are so relatable XD.

[@jasonaras9737]

the working theory is and HEAR ME OUTTT ody was dying and all of the dead were pulling him down what if hades decided (Side theory: or was conviced by the "dead" athena) to give him the power to defeat posidon that would explain how he was able to summon the dead soldiers to sing alond side his attack like the gods an the red eyes other than the symbolism of him becoming the monster

[@TainoMoya]

whattt grammas hooping went hard no misses 😂

[@navimcfarland9113]

There's a difference between justifying an action and humanizing a person. Calypso's song was never about justifying her actions against Odysseus. It was about giving the reasons why she acts like a teenage girl with no sense of reality

[@IsoldeNico]

I think calypso is saying that she’s sorry for everything that she did and all but she’s not sorry that she fell in love with ody (again I might be wrong about that)

[@_MidnightSnow_]

R:16 uncle Rick taught you well 😭

[@Seer_Of_The_Woodlands]

Atlas is Calypso's father, a titan who supports the heavens on his shoulders. "sky as a friend" strikes differently. atlas is stuck holding up the heavens and Calypso is stuck on her island because she sided with her father in the war between the gods and the titans.

[@flanny701]

make sure to check out neal illustrators god games animatic its an absolute masterpiece imagining of the god games and will make you feel emotional all the same in the end too.

[@XxTryForcexX]

aww i wished you just finished the saga since I feel like this particular saga is very short compared to the last one but either wayy great reaction. 💙

[@redoctober1524]

lets gooooooo

[@AuroraRaiju]

I think everyone should learn that you can feel sorry for calypso, you can empathize with her pain and struggles, you can recognise her mistakes. BUT she's still forcing Ody to stay in a toxic relationship against his will. Calypso needs therapy not someone else's husband.

[@makaramuss]

for me Calypso is not forgiveable but also... technically what she did is she made Odysseus suffer same fate with her for 8 years... 8 years of her 100 years. For a goddess it may sound like short time but... its still a 100 years... and she has a father she is missing just like odysseus has a wife she is missing and she has no Athena to save her.

[@issackoi]

Hey for the 2nd part i recommend watching the livestream instead of just the songs, this saga is more animatic centered

[@hindymarkowitz1340]

I absolutely love your reactions! New to your channel, this is great! Will you do the last two soon because you'll love them!!

[@taseenshaikh9631]

Genuine question: why don't you just watch the livestream animatics?

[@michaelransier6813]

13:50 your background knowledge is impressive!

[@oklandon09]

Wangui has such a beautiful voice and performs her songs so well, and it makes me mad that she was cast as the character whose entire personality is being an unrepentant abuser

[@sippy1850]

Make sure to watch from Jorge live stream the animatics are awsome especially the last one

[@issackoi]

Gramma is ballin

[@theanimationnation5506]

Its (ka-rib-dis)

[@Magnum_Bone]

didnt know you could ball like that granny, pop off

[@beckenfuggle644]

I definitely thought that part sounded like storm

[@TheDTSZ]

I call Not Sorry “the calypso cope song”

[@Mr_Freds_Studio]

Love watching these videos I never asked why don't you react to the Livestreams

[@productivelylazy]

"sorry my love's too much for you" really gives off such "sorry you felt that way" energy. Calipso hater til the day i die, I swear.

[@aryav25]

Broo please watch the live stream animatice for the last two songs at least.... they are peak and you NEED to watch them

[@tiaravenesa]

will you react to Neall's God Games? Asking to seek a friend lol

[@tiaravenesa]

oh wait you did! nevermind!!

[@malenejensen02]

Now react to the livestream

[@Shaphi95]

Calypso they could never make me like you!

[@sapphire_sphynx]

You're so right about Calypso. The entire song I was so annoyed with her. I was like "yall are not making me feel sorry for her, no matter what you say 🙄" banger song, gorgeous vocals, great lyrics, Im not having it

[@NoisyBoy153]

Is this the worst time to mention that she 🍇 Odysseus in the Odyssey

[@SarenDracul]

Poseidon

[@LydiaLadeaa]

Calypso they're never gonna make me like you ❤

[@skylerarroniz7513]

I find it funny why ur so demonizing Calypso when Odisious is litteral child murder he desvers everything bad that happened to him and his men🤨 Also do ppl not know that her cusrse is to fall madly in love with ppl that came to the island?

[@zerogoodcontent7293]

Calypso is trash, (singer is great and song is good tho) her song is literally just her refusing to apologise or acknowledge the true vileness of her actions against Odysseus

[@Firesea4]

This calypso hate will not be tolerated calypso wasnt the one keeping odysseus trapped it was the godd calypso fell in love with him, and as we all know, eros is one of the most powerful gods. This calypso slander will never be accepted she was awesome in Percy jackson

[@alex6027]

OG myths Calypso? Horrible Modern interpretations where she's more sympathetic? Different story

[@Firesea4]

@alex6027 OG myths Odesseyus? Horrible Modern interpretation of everybody (except hadies)? Everybody is in a better light In greek mythology everybody was horrible but calypso was one of the better ones

[@isabellamujica7987]

My take on Calypso is that the first half of her song is her trying to emotionally manipulate Odysseus into staying of his own volition and when he chooses to leave anyway she switches into hating that she loves him. I was heated when she said "Let me speak!" like bitch you had seven years to form a friendship with Odysseus but we all know he tried to throw himself off of a cliff. I can't feel bad for her even if it seems like this version of her was just pushy/flirty and didn't SA Odysseus because she didn't love Odysseus, she was obsessed with having someone like a possession and Odysseus was conveniently there. Also she's on the island for fighting in a war against the Olympian Gods so maybe if she didn't make stupid choices she wouldn't be exiled 🤷‍♀ kinda on you girlie don't make it everyone else's problem.

[@kentlynardsoriano6707]

Did she actually fight in the war, though? Im not very familiar with greek myth that much, but didnt Calypso only supported her father Atlas in the war? And since the titans loss, she got improssined there too? I could be totally wrong on this though.

[@tektyrant]

I feel like people hate Calypso way too much in comparison to other characters. Euryluchus and Circe deserve it way more.

[@darnpotato]

You're being so mean to Calypso xD

[@rymasan5489]

I feel like people who sympathize or feel bad for calypso are the new epic fans lol THEY DIDNT HAVE TO WAIT YEARS LIKE US FOR THE SAGAS AND GETTING THROUGH OUR LIFE WITH SNIPPETS LOL … i felt nothing for calypso cause she captured and tortured us all 😂

[@kaya3599]

Basically, what Calypso said is literally "I'm sorry you feel that way." Like, she doesn't really see the problem with her actions, but she's sorry she reacted that way. And in the end, it looked like she still had a little hope that he would change his mind and stay, because she came with this speech, and when it didn’t work out, she got angry. Of course, she really was sad and what she said was not a lie, but it seems to me that she was subconsciously trying to manipulate him, so that he would stay. Anyway, her story doesn't do her any justice. I feel bad that she was alone, but he made it clear to her in the first minutes that he wasn't interested. But she just decided to ignore it and take what she wanted. And now she plays the victim of circumstances. They could have become friends, but she decided to ignore his feelings and force her love on him in the worst way. Now she acts as if she doesn't understand what she's doing. But how much intelligence does it take to understand a simple "no"? If they hadn't come for him, she would have continued to hold him and use him to satisfy her desires. Knowing how broken he was, how much he missed his wife, and that if he couldn't go back, he'd rather die than stay with her. At least he'd gotten to the point where that thought had already crossed his mind. Pretends to be miserable and innocent...well, she is miserable, but definitely not innocent.

[@sugarspiceeverythinggay853]

Not Sorry for Loving You rubs me the wrong way so much 😅 its giving narcissist but the vocals pop off 💃🏼💃🏼

[@cyrusellis2114]

I'll say what Calypso did wasn't right but.On the other hand she's been trapped on an island for over a 100 years.And odysseus is the only persons she's met Doesn't Completely exonerate her but it adds context

[@Lenin941FN]

@@cyrusellis2114yeah it's understandable how someone who's been alone for so long would develop an immediate and intense attachment to literally the first person they see. Loneliness will do that to anyone