FIRST RUN: GARMIN RUNNING POWER

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[@HeartratemonitorCoUk1]

Nice review - thanks Ray. I think like cycling power meters the options offered by power metering are great and NOT just for elites. Running at a controlled power output could certainly be the way forward to getting a new PR.

[@marcoreyna6544]

The real important question, putting apart the fact that stryd and garmin gave different numbers; Is Garmin consistent with its measurements??? Thanks for your answer Ray

[@donmartin9567]

Cool, Sulpher Mountain. The Gondola ride down is free if you walk/hike/run up.

[@Dcrainmaker]

+Don Martin As I learned, only after Oct 6th. Else it’s $31 one way down.

[@tomhunt3402]

That's awesome. I almost bought a stryd. But I got the RD Pod instead when I got the 935. Can't wait to try this out!

[@10minsfree]

Hi Tom. Just curious. How is the 935 and rd pod working out for you?

[@qwertyCandy]

Sorry to revive an old comment but can I ask how happy were you with that setup? Thanks.

[@tomhunt3402]

@@qwertyCandy wow blast from the past :) It was OK. I think i got injured soon after and never really got back to using it but it seems good. Interestingly Garmin just released a few updates for newer watches for trail running. descents and vo2 max which is great. When I regain my motivation I will have to try it again. Bloody covid.

[@qwertyCandy]

@@tomhunt3402 Thanks a lot for the reply - I'm getting back into running, just got my Garmin 645 and now I'm thinking about whether to get the RD pod in the future, so this is definitely helpful :) Good luck, covid is a bitch but I'm sure you'll make it!

[@ThePinoSilver]

Having a garmin 645 with power calculation. I miss how to calculate the 5 power zones that the app makes available. Is there a test? How to distribute the percentages of watts for the 5 zones? Thanks Pino

[@mathewnorth2957]

Is this still scheduled for release in November? I can't seem to find it.

[@meggerud]

Hi! What are the diffrencies in using Stryd compared to HRM Tri? Are there any benefits from using Stryd compared to HRM Tri for measuring power while running?

[@M0ntaroo]

You should have 500k subs, not just 54k....

[@ferdipp]

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[@xero_ideas4299]

I don't know how much this matters, but my FTP for my bike was around 276, and my critical power for my last 5K was around 280. Both events were around 20-30 minutes. I know there are many differences in how power is measured between the two sports. However, it seems to me that in general, I am able to put out around 275 watts of power weather that is on Stryde, My power tap, or any and all of the gym equipment that I use that measures power. All show that I can put out around 270 watts over 20 minutes. My point is if I am running with a Garmin pod that tells me I am putting out 350 watts when every thing else is saying 270, I think I am going to lean more towards the Stryd data.

[@brandenblume4514]

270 watts is the work you can sustain with primary lower extremity muscle groups, with little core, and little upper extremity. Just like your VO2 max will be different for different sports requiring different muscle groups. Also your training status/ efficiency will effect the threshold at which Lactate production shifts to a higher rate than the rate of the metabolic cascade to usable ATP

[@matnorth1990]

Is this still scheduled to come out in November? I can't seem to find it so far.

[@leok.6351]

I have a question. Is the wahoo tickr haertrate sensor compatible with the garmin watches?

[@daneillotter5241]

more reviews or info on top apps for triathletes

[@Jf-reviews]

I’m guessing your video it taken on the hero 6 on your Paris run. That built in stabilisation is really good.

[@Dcrainmaker]

+jamie_f Yup, correct. 100% of the video was taken on the Hero6, all of it using internal stabilization. None applied in post.

[@mtmackinnon73]

Will this work with a Fenix 3 HR?

[@stefaancarbon8613]

Great review. Would this work with a Wahoo Tickr Run strap ? Thank you.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Wahoo says they'll be updating the TICKR's firmware early next year, which will then support this.

[@thehandtoolschool]

Seems to me that like you said the variability only matters if you switch devices. But wouldn't you just run another FTP test to "calibrate" your zones to the new device anyway. Even with my cycling meters that are much more consistent from one to another I would still take an FTP when I switch. I guess the only issue is if you have different devices from one bike to another or one shoe to another when using a pod like Stryd. But how hard is it to move the pod right? Thanks for the review and especially for showing both the hilly and flat courses. Great data!

[@adamsheret149]

Hi Ray, is this up and running (if you excuse the pun). Can't see any info for power on Rd pod write up on the Garmin website

[@amrietj1275]

Compatible with Foreruner 945?

[@chrisrunandbike2917]

The VA3 doesn't work with the RD Pod? - How do you get this to work?

[@Dcrainmaker]

+StinkySt It’ll support it via Connect IQ apps starting in November.

[@brunojacq5473]

Hey! Is it possible to get the Watt power directly on the Fenix 6 from the Garmin POD measurements? Is it consistent?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yes, as long as you have a Fenix 6 and the Garmin RD-POD, you can install the Connect IQ app and get things installed. It tends to be consistent, though it's hard to know if it's accurate, as there's no standards on how to define running power.

[@iamdavelee]

The HRM Run and HRM Tri do not work with the Vivoactive 3 according to Garmin itself!?

[@DesFit]

They do not work with VA3. Correct.

[@Dcrainmaker]

+DesFit They will work with this app, starting in late November. That’s because Connect IQ will support it.

[@todd5192]

Will other metrics from the HR pod be available on the VA3 later or just this CIQ app?

[@Dcrainmaker]

They won't natively be available, but any 3rd party CIQ app can utilize them. Given how silly easy it will be for someone to create a Running Dynamics app using just the samples, I'd imagine you'll see it come to the VA3 about 4 hours after it releases.

[@DesFit]

Ah, thanks for the clarification, Ray. Cheers!

[@zhengchuantan5260]

i am the current user of GRP and I did not use other RP device b4,i think garmin is lack of guidance in running power like helping user setting the power zone and power threshold like hr which other competitor does,I hope garmin will provide more guidance

[@paulbarton957]

Hi, when you say that the stryd data lines up with bike power data, is that a kinda perceived effort thing?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Correct. The 'suck factor' for me to output 300w on a bike roughly aligns to 300w on the run. But really, that's just a quirky human brain thing that I like that it works out that way. There's no valid science behind that.

[@paulbarton957]

DC Rainmaker Yeah, thought so. I got a Stryd to review and was impressed how the data seemed reliable / consistent with itself and was never sure how ‘true’ it was, or if that mattered. Kinda stopped using it mostly as it didn’t mesh flawlessly with Garmin experience - I guess the Garmin Power will!

[@m25ruben]

I guess a bit late but what's the difference between this in a foot pod?(of course from garmin)

[@Dcrainmaker]

The footpod just provdes pace/cadence (and then the watch calculates distance from it). Whereas the RD-Pod transmits cadence and the running dynamics metrics like vertical oscillation. But interestingly it doesn't provide pace/distance.

[@7pinnacle]

Great video just have questions Garmin hrm tri have the running stats Garmin hrm run does? Also will Garmin run pod work with fenix 3 hr? Thanks for your time and all great videos

[@f22luke]

The only difference between the tri and th run is that the tri supports swimming too, so yes it has the same running dynamics. The fenix 3 hr does have connect iq so I'm assuming that if the vivoactive hr is getting support so would that watch.

[@7pinnacle]

Thank you for the information appreciate the help

[@reyskidude]

stabilization of this video is good considering you're running... don't seem you are using a gimbal... what are using?

[@Dcrainmaker]

+reyskidude GoPro Hero 6 Black. Just handheld.

[@reneamadorjr]

Hi Ray, will the Vivoactive HR work with a RD pod?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Via the Connect IQ app, yes.

[@ffmdotcom]

Hey mate could the gap between Stryd and Garmin watts be the Stryd Form Power value? I usually get a form power in stryd of about 70-90 watts and I understand stryd calls it power that is used but not to propel you forward but rather for oscillation. Maybe Garmin doesn't separate out "form power". Would be interesting to see if that makes sense on your test run

[@Dcrainmaker]

Nah, form value is different. Garmin noted going into it that they expected my difference to be about 20-30% high.

[@ffmdotcom]

DC Rainmaker would be really interesting if we get more details as to why there is such a big difference. But once Garmin releases we can have a closer look - but as you said running power isn't really running power and as long as it's consistent for one self it's a great training tool - will be also interesting if stryd reacts in any way

[@CamiloDvz]

With the RD Pod paired to FR745, will the pace information be from the pod or the FR245 during an outdoor run? thx!

[@Dcrainmaker]

From the watch. The pod doesn’t transmit pace, only cadence and running dynamics.

[@CamiloDvz]

@@Dcrainmaker is there one that measures the pace? Or is it always measured by the watch?

[@orestvezna1059]

A bit strange, but I get the idea.

[@BruceChastain]

my gut feeling is that the garmin is reading too high for whatever reason. The reason I guess is that I trust cycling power should be pretty accurate and I don't see how running is so much mechanically better allowing you to produce more power. But I'm no engineer so just my guess.

[@xGshikamaru]

Bruce Chastain since you are upright while running you're already producing more power just based on that. You recruit many more muscles just to propel yourself foward.

[@adam999444]

Can't you just look at average power and compare to calories burnt to determine which is more accurate?

[@Dcrainmaker]

No relationship to calories, as that doesn't account for running efficiency - which impacts power. Also, averages can be 100% wrong and still match. Meaning, an average is just that - the average. Units can be way over and way under, yet the average makes it the same.

[@domestiquecoaching547]

Will this be compatible with fr630?

[@SaschaRobitzki]

Nope

[@Dcrainmaker]

Correct, unfortunately the FR630 lacks a barometric altimeter. I suspect it'll be the last running watch we see from Garmin that lacks it. These days every low-end Vivo has it, because it supports stairs for activity tracking.

[@domestiquecoaching547]

Well that sucks

[@GeorgeRon]

Safety moment 5:59 ...almost eat the dirt there.

[@Pipppetto]

Shame on Garmin for supporting only barometric altitude feature, that my less than 1yr. old 735XT of course lacks.. I frankly doubt people interested in recording running power are the target for Vivoactive devices sales who use to train primarily on stairs.

[@daneillotter5241]

dc have you by any chance done a review on hrm tri? how accurate are the metrics coming from it

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup - full in-depth review here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2015/11/garmin-hrm-swimtri-review.html

[@peang122]

Will it work if you strap this running power meter on cycling shoes ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

No, totally different forces required there unfortnuately.

[@MatthewSelkirkKey]

not buying into this, but thumbs up for the video anyway ;-)

[@jojojaykay]

Why?

[@jnygaarddk]

Very interesting! Q: You touch on it a bit in the end of the vid, cycle pwr vs run pwr. For an athlete like yourself, shouldn't you be able to tell which is more correct, by comparing HR and cycle power?? I mean, 500 vs 300 watt for 15 minutes (as it looks like we are talking) should give a very significant HR diff. 2nd thing. What about weight. Does either or both company use that for the calculation? Assume you have the same programmed in, if they do?...

[@Dcrainmaker]

+Jesper Nygaard That assumes there’s any relationship at all between cycling power and running power. As creatures of patterns, we prefer/like there to be. But in reality, that may not exist.

[@jnygaarddk]

I guess, what I'm trying to say/ask, is that there must be a relationship between power and VO2 max, no matter what kind of pwr we talk. So if you have an AT of 350w cycling, how can you produce the oxygen to burn 500w at AT running????

[@Dcrainmaker]

The challenge is the effort to put out that power varies by circumstance and body efficiency. That's why there's so much talk about running efficiency. If you have wasted power going somewhere, that'll impact things like pace at the same power. With cycling it's a bit more straight forward.

[@cpgr19]

Please get an external mic next time ..its almost impossible to hear what you say..