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[@VikingJeff]

For some reason I always get such a great feeling when the next generation appreciates the music I listened to when I was a kid.

[@xmathmanx]

how about older people appreciating the great music of today? seems like that is somewhat rarer....

[@greylensman2834]

Agree, Roll back time, I recall hearing this song dedicated one weekend on the radio to a friend of mine who just broke up with his GF of 3 years. (Ouch!)

[@allisonconley6339]

ABSOLUTELY... I HAVE A LIST OF SONGS I'D LOVE FOR THESE TWO TO HEAR 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@amaru4029]

lol they are just making money they act stupid about music so you can school them

[@xmathmanx]

@@arlo2203 most people of any age understand very little about anything

[@NoahFroio]

You'll never unhear it when you do, but, that is Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones singing in the background with Carly.

[@bridgethegapreactions]

It's very cool - amazing choice to have him do it uncredited

[@IanPunter]

Jagger had to be sticking it to one of his rivals in the vanity derby.

[@trevmb100]

Rumoured it was Warren Beattie.

[@cheryla7480]

She wrote it about three different men she had relationships with, one was Warren Beatty, but she wouldn’t name the other two. She had been married to James Taylor, but she denied that one of the men was him. It’s a great song!

[@heliotropezzz333]

Wasn't Mick Jagger thought to be one of them? I don't think she confirmed it though.

[@cheryla7480]

@@heliotropezzz333 He sang in the background of the song, but again, when asked, she denied he was one of the three.

[@metalmark1214]

You are correct.

[@garyarnett1220]

Couldn't have been James as they were just getting together when this came out.

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@cheryla7480 Maybe she didn't want to name the other two if they were married at the time.

[@surlechapeau]

Asia & BJ, you’ll love her “Nobody Does It Better”, “Haven’t Got Time For The Pain” and “You Belong To Me”!!!! edit- She's plays piano and guitar, great singer/songwriter!!

[@ohmightywez]

Nobody Does it Better, or the Spy Who Loved Me, is one of my favorite songs!

[@Uatu-the-Watcher]

Agreed! Also, You Belong to Me was written with Michael McDonald

[@chrisoakley5830]

When I was a teen... Nobody does it better... was a favorite of mine.

[@lipby]

I think her best song is "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be." "Nobody Does it Better" is my favorite Bond song. If they do it, they need to do the video with the clip from the movie.

[@noroomforsquares4483]

I actually like the reggae-ish "Why", written by Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards.

[@Coco-51223]

Yes she is the original song writer of this song and all of her songs. Written in 1971 and released in 1972. Mick Jagger singing with her too.

[@keithbrown7685]

George Harrison doing lead in the bridge.

[@Rob-eo5ql]

“You gave away the things you loved And one of them was me…” Saddest line ever written.

[@Godlovesyouneway]

I think " Wish I didn't know now what I didbt know then" is the saddest... Bob Seger

[@KC-bv9kf]

@@Godlovesyouneway”god have mercy on the man who doubts what he’s sure of…”

[@atokadjoe]

"When you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose." Bob Dylan

[@onastick2411]

It's a cold hard world, that's the truth.

[@mikemiller3069]

"Haven't Got Time For The Pain", "Mockingbird" (with James Taylor), and "That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be" are all great Carly Simon songs.

[@jonathanlocke6404]

"It's Too Late" is Carole King...

[@mikemiller3069]

@@jonathanlocke6404 My bad. You're right.

[@deborahstrickland9845]

“Mocking Bird”, LIVE with Sweet Baby James.😉

[@pueblodove]

@@deborahstrickland9845 Love it!!

[@Incomudro1963]

Little bit of trivia regarding this song: Mick Jagger sings backup on the "Don't you" chorus. Listen for it, and you'll never unhear it. His voice is quite clear on it.

[@TheFairyintheFishBowl]

You’re thinking of “Son Of A Gun” by Janet Jackson. Early 2000’s and it featured Carly Simon singing the sample. 🌟

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

Australian band Chocolate Starfish also did a version of this in the early nineties which was hit too.

[@907kat]

One of the best remixes of all time, imho.

[@johnthegreek5836]

One of Carly Simon’s best songs and definitely deserves to be inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[@jollyj3285]

My first favorite song and artist...still love Carly!!!!! She has lots of great songs...Anticipation, Haven't Got Time For The Pain, Nobody Does It Better, You Belong To Me, No Secrets, Mockingbird to name a few

[@toddstevens13]

Think they are old enough to not know Anticipation was not a Ketchup commercial jingle?

[@kenttaylor9238]

That's Mick Jagger on backup vocals.

[@doomhunter697]

Power move, he was possibly on of the men she was singing about.

[@brianherrington7226]

Paul and Linda McCartney on this track too.

[@billmcmahon5454]

@@doomhunter697 I thought that she revealed who it was eventually..

[@citizendissidentiv2488]

Good catch!

[@citizendissidentiv2488]

@@doomhunter697 Warren Beatty.

[@randallbundy108]

She wrote this and many more great songs

[@pamh2697]

Carly is one of the best story tellers, singer-song writers ever. Love her!

[@susanengland3919]

" You're So Vain " is a song written in 1971 by Carly Simon and released in November 1972. It is one of the songs with which Simon is most identified, and upon its release, reached No. 1 in the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The song is ranked at No. 92 on Billboard 's Greatest Songs of All Time.

[@donkeygospel6]

GREAT REACTION guys! I've seen other people react to this song and totally miss that line about "the wife of a close friend" but Asia totally caught it and BJ noticed it too! 👏 Love how you guys pay attention to lyrics. ❤

[@willblood7082]

Taylor Swift has nothing on Carly Simon… this is the greatest “fuck you” song ever written 🤣

[@justincredible9187]

Carly Simon would beat down Swift for looking at her !!!.

[@cara65]

@@justincredible9187 Carly Simon joined Taylor on her Red tour and they performed this song together. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@justincredible9187]

@@cara65 Carly beat her backstage 😋

[@dallontongariro5266]

They're both great and two totally different artists??

[@acornsucks2111]

do better.

[@teri7398]

A Carly Simon classic, with some backing vocal assistance from Rollings Stones frontman, Mick Jaggar! She wrote so many good ones. More for you to listen to.

[@martinp.1884]

Mick really sounds good in this just like Kenny Rogers Lionel ritchies My love, Phil Collins in Howard Jones No one is to blame.

[@Triggerhippie70]

I was born January 1970, Carly Simon was one of my mom's favorite artists. We heard her a lot at home. This woman is so damn talented!

[@Pezzonovante916]

The lyrics in this song are amazing. "I had some dreams; they were clouds in my coffee, clouds in my coffee . . . ." Songwriting genius.

[@darrylpage5187]

I think that line about "YOU THINK THIS song is about you" is clever -- because it actually IS! It proves her point and dares him (whoever he is) to deny it. BRILLIANT

[@candicelitrenta8890]

Carley was a songwriter. All of the songs she did were her own. She did the music for a movie called Working Girl with Harrison Ford, Melanie Griffeth, and Sigourney Weaver

[@jimbobgreasemonkey]

"...flying to Nova Scotia, to see the total eclipse of the sun".. When this song was NEW, that year, Nova Scotia was "ground zero" to get the best view of the Eclipse. Memories. I like watching y'all.

[@Dana-ld4wf]

I heard she wrote this song about Warren Beatty. And I can just imagine he was full of himself.

[@donaldfleming5049]

This is one of Carly's most popular songs, mostly because everyone loves to speculate about whose she singing about in each of the three verses.

[@raeann63]

carly is lamenting about being naively young when she fell for a suave, self-absorbed, vain man of considerable means/wealth - race horse owner at saratoga springs, takes private jet to nova scotia, is always where he's "supposed to be"/where the scene is. bj, the kicker that asia is talking about is if he's not there then he's with the wife of a close friend 😏 the line "clouds in my coffee" was supposedly struck when she was on a plane and noticed the reflection of the clouds were like cream in her coffee. carly's incredible word painting of this song is gorgeous ❤

[@edwardcrews2952]

Her live duet with James Taylor Mockingbird is so awesome

[@safespacebear]

I LOVE how specific the verses are in this song...whomever this song was/wasn't about, knew it the second they heard it.

[@markb1114]

Great song by Carley. It was certainly a vibe back in the day.

[@paulstage8077]

The Classic opening bass riff is played by Klaus Voormann. Carly credits Klaus for setting the table for the songs vibe. Klaus is most famous for designing the album cover for the Beatles 1966 masterpiece "Revolver'. Which Klaus won a Grammy Award. Klaus ran in the Beatles inner circle starting back in October of 1960. Two years before Ringo joined and 3 years before Beatlemania exploded in the United Kingdom. Klaus has recorded on many solo Beatles songs and remains their life long friend. RNB

[@raenellefisher8514]

This song is an anthem.

[@wisdomist2144]

Years later, Carly Simon said the song was about Warren Beatty.

[@PaddyIrishman]

My mother's era, pretty cool. I grew up listening to her music.

[@wendyryder2708]

Of course! Us oldies are VERY cool!

[@franciscoguzman1034]

Yes She is the original Artist to this song in the 70.

[@Amethyst967]

You might like "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be."

[@macdaddyns]

Always had pride in this song, cause I am from and still live in Nova Scotia. A few videos ago Asia said she would like to go to Canada. If the opportunity comes up, my wife and I would be happy to put you up and show you some of the beauty and hospitality of the area. Love your chemistry you two rock, keep up the great vids!

[@edwardcapobianco2975]

Klaus voorman on bass, great bass intro on the song and Mick jagger background vocals. Been listening to this for nearly 50 years it never gets old, so,so good,!!

[@idalily3810]

Simon wrote it. Supposedly it's a composite of three men, one of whom is Warren Beatty. And rumor is that the "wife of a close friend" was David Bowie's wife at the time.

[@n5iln]

The last analysis I heard on this was that they were Warren Beatty, James Taylor, and David Geffen. But no one has ever agreed on anyone except Beatty.

[@gregoryfarshtey6856]

​@@n5ilnShe has said JT wasn't one of them.

[@thekingcobra63]

A true classic and one of the best songs of the era for sure.

[@donjenkins3861]

This was a personal song that Carly wrote about her experience with an actual person. So if anyone remade this song, they are a sad person. More than likely it was about Warren Beatty who played Clyde in the movie "Bonne and Clyde" a real block buster. And he was quite the "Player" back in the day. 🤔😎

[@joelliebler5690]

Or maybe Kris Kristofferson Who Too was a big time player,very bright mans, who was full of himself.

[@donjenkins3861]

@@joelliebler5690 Wow, this is my first time hearing of Kris Kristofferson maybe involved. Learn something new everyday I guess. Thanks for the share.

[@eddieevans6692]

Carly is such a beautiful and talented singer/songwriter. My favorite song of her's is That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be. Henry Lewis Gates explores her Caribbean slave ancestry on his genealogy show "Finding Your Roots." It's a great show about a great talent and a reminder that life is complicated.

[@tinanickerson1006]

The story goes that this was about Warren Beatty he was a huge star in the 60's and the 70's and quite the "hunk" at that time. lol...Warren was in lots of classic movies.

[@terryconnelly484]

The #1 classic dis song in the world

[@justincredible9187]

Closely following by most of Fleetwood mac's work.

[@cleekmaker00]

Another excellent Carly Simon tune is "Anticipation". For a few years, Heinz used the Chorus of this song in TV commercials for their Ketchup.

[@TheGreatGig73]

I remember when this song came out I noticed a very big improvement in the mixing and production of this song compared to all other songs before this.

[@jamesramirez5276]

70's Classic! The memories! This song was written about Warren Beatty.

[@Jamesscearce]

I never heard Mick Jagger for years listening to this song... now he's all I hear during the chorus.

[@kenhorlor5674]

Back in 2010, MSM reported that Carly Simon had revealed the name of the person the song is about. On her album "Never Been Gone," Simon whispers a name during an instrumental break. The name is "David." Who could this be? Suspects include; David Geffen who founded Asylum records in 1971. Simon was with Elektra which merged with Asylum in 1972 and Geffen was put in charge. You're So Vain was released in 1972. Other David's of the era and in Simon's orbit are David Crosby of Crosby, Stills and Nash, and David Cassidy of The Partridge Family fame. Warren Beatty's mother was from Nova Scotia but no-one has been able to confirm if he flew his LearJet there to view a total eclipse of the sun. Also, another clue is found in a racehorse winning. My preference is toward David Geffen, as he's within her immediate circle. In the 70's everyone believed Mick Jagger or Warren Beatty, but Jagger's voice could be clearly heard on backing vocals (Jagger was a prolific backing singer, he is very generous with his time) and so is unlikely. Beatty was world famous for his vanity alone and so he held the highest rank of likely suspects.

[@michaelscoggins3503]

Carly is calling someone in particular out with this song. That is why "wife of a best friend" got into it.

[@stephentaylor6617]

Rumors are it is about James Taylor

[@eddiebrr3]

She was also married to James Taylor, and sang with him on some of his songs.

[@mikeguerrero72]

MICK JAGGER sings background in this song. When the singers come to the "You're so vain" you can tell its Mick. (More towards to 2nd half of the song.

[@lanaj1107]

This is one of the tightest songs lyrically. Not one wasted word.

[@adancer3592]

Janet Jackson used it In one of her songs Think it was called Son Of A Gun The song is about a actual person The best bet was Warren Beatty . She auction off your name of the person for charity But they had to sign a legal agreement they could never tell who it was .

[@ElusvOptmst1]

Rumor was that this song was about Warren Beatty the actor. He was very handsome and a player in his days.

[@tennesseehusky]

Plenty of tunes to check out from Carly, plenty of great selections in the comments. If you dig on Carly, you must give another woman from the 70's a try - Carol King, you can do the entire album Tapestry, the whole album is awesome.

[@patrickbrady5838]

Carly’s singing (with Mick Jagger) about “lady-killer” actor Warren Beatty. Her father is Simon of Simon & Schuster publisher’s. She’ll live.

[@mickdenis6630]

After years of speculation about who the song was about... Some thought it was about Mick Jagger because he is singing background vocals. Many thought it was about Warren Beatty, who Carly confirmed to Billboard Magazine, she was referring to, in the second verse of the song. She did say in the interview it was about different relationships she had, and it was about more than one person.

[@RM-ks8pp]

I beleive this song is about Warren Beatty the actor....

[@FallenHellscape]

It is.

[@Kelleyp]

Carly's (final) admission just a few years ago-verse 1 about Warren Beatty and verse 2 about record producer David Geffen. Great song!

[@joncam7576]

James taylor

[@dorian822]

Everyone has said that for 3 decades.

[@dvsreed]

Each verse is about someone different. Likely identities include Mick Jagger, James Taylor and actor Warren Beatty. Warren was certain the song was about him. Jagger sang background on the song and Carly was married to James Taylor.

[@glassontherocks]

Yep..

[@kennycasey9940]

Yes, Mick Jagger, lead singer of The Rolling Stones, is one of singers on this track.

[@zoegartham312]

This is perhaps the most ironic song in history - Sorry, Alanis Morissette - because "You probably think this song is about you" … well, it kind of IS about the 3 people she was singing about. It isn't solely about any one of the three, but each verse is about a different one and then the chorus after goes with the verse. It's why this is one of my favorite songs-the sheer irony of it all.

[@momokoblue8032]

Janet Jackson had a song called Son of a Gun and she sampled You're So Vain. She's also one of only a few people to know who Carly was actually singing about.

[@glibmedley2314]

The summer Carly turned 17, she shacked up with Harvard boy in a beach house on the French Riviera, and the first verse of this song is about him. He went on to be a minor novelist and college professor. I worked with him on a project and when I asked him about the song he said the apricot scarf was his. Decent chap in my book.

[@RoseSantos-qj4yf]

I saw Carly on t.v. she was telling how Anticipation came on the radio while she was in a cab. She told the taxi driver that was her on the radio and he thought she was crazy and kicked her out of the car! She was good-natured about it and laughed.…Brilliant

[@briantimmons3075]

My favorite of hers is "That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be"

[@buixrule]

What a classic. Everyone knew this tune in the 70's.

[@MrFrankinyourface]

Singer, musician, composer, writer a legend!

[@ClifftheBigRedDoggy]

This one has me going off to listen to some more Carly Simon. I used to have this album as a kid Reaction Suggestion Angelina Jordan 2022 " I Have Nothing" recorded outdoors & live band. This has 1.2 million views after 4 weeks. Now age 16, she seems to sing this in a slightly lower range. I'm confident you'll enjoy revisiting this updated version. Angelina is growing up. Not many 16 year olds will take on a Whitney song! I'd love your feedback compared to her older version. Any growth, changes etc. I think the lowered register is a positive change. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnW9ZatmmKt9iNU always enjoy your reactions. 🍁

[@critterwatcher8009]

My favorite Carly Simon "That's the way I always heard it should be" Another rumor is that this is about Ted Turner.

[@glassontherocks]

It was beady-eyed Beatty.

[@maryanngarrimone1153]

One of my favorite ladies of the 70's. So talented!

[@jeffreywong3155]

When they heard that Carly Simon was recording in England, John and Linda McCartney came to watch her record, among other people. Mick Jagger heard, and kinda invited himself to sing background, because he had the itch for Carly (and in some respects, she for him, though she never acted on it). It's written in her autobiography, "Boys in the Trees."

[@elbruces]

She actually auctioned off who the song was about for charity. The auction winner had to sign an NDA not to tell anybody else, and she whispered it into his ear. Side fun fact: Carly Simon was already rich before going into music. Ever hear of the publishing company "Simon & Schuster?" That was her dad.

[@gregfagan199]

Carly was a supreme talent. Great writer with a beautiful voice. Her family was the Simon of Simon and Schuster publishing.

[@clannad99germany70]

Bass intro was by Klaus Vormann, a then well-known German bass player and session musician. and in the very background is the voice of Mick Jagger.

[@markwilliams5606]

This song was written about Mick jagger! She was his little Play thing back in the day. He and James Taylor sang back Up. Jagger didn't know it was About Him! Years later. He wrote a Song to her! It's on the Some Girls Album! It's called Star F! cker

[@captaincell]

I was too young to notice them back then, but now I see why so many guys had this album when I was a little kid. 😆

[@EDMDoc]

I believe she wrote this about Warren Beatie. He even took a run at Madonna in the 80's as well.

[@justincredible9187]

NO !!!! Written about ME !!! I'm not vain but this song was probably about me !!!!! 😊.

[@ncbentle9154]

@Kevin Caulder: this was written solely by Carly Simon. Backing vocals is Mick Jagger. The Doobies never recorded this.

[@Guitaural.]

A big hit and a favorite when I was a young kid - and Mick Jagger on vocals with her. Check out 'You Belong to Me,' 'Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me) (a Bond Theme) and 'That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be.'

[@01Waller]

The great bass played by Klaus Voorman, a popular session man at the time and a member of the Beatles' inner circle, a 5th Beatle candidate.

[@shanedesselle2590]

Check out her “Anticipation “ and see if you recognize that from somewhere.

[@cowboycb36]

I remember this song from the 70s while living in Paw Paw Michigan. Such an awesome song!!

[@ericforman4721]

My grandma was born in the 40s. She still loves this song. I was born in '95 so I still have some learning to do

[@rafhenlow]

I am 76 yrs. old & thankful for the fact that I have heard all these songs & more as I was growing up.

[@danielhaines2265]

This is definitely her song!!Great song 🎵

[@jessegreen6138]

Marilyn Manson did this 2012. Chocolate Starfish did this in 1994. Faster Pussy Cat did this song in 2000. Susanna Hoffs and Mathew Sweet did this song in 2009. Carly Simon wrote the song in 1971 and Released in 1972. Mick Jaeger contributed uncredited backing Vocals. Janet Jackson sampled the song in 2001 in her song "Son of a Gun" (I Betcha You This Song is About You). This song made it to #1 on Billboard's Hot 100. There are according to Carly and others 3 men this song is about. One is Warren Beatty who the others are ones name seems to David last name unknown. From what I have found out. She has given little clues for close to 50 years now. iirc Thank you for your reaction Asia and BJ.

[@Rick-or2kq]

Her father, Richard L. Simon, was the co-founder of Simon & Schuster publishing.

[@davidcohen1424]

Haven't Got Time For The Pain is another great Carly Simon song. Also Mick Jagger singing backup vocals on this.

[@Azabaxe80]

In the mid to late '90s there was a band named Marilyn Manson fronted by a guy who went by that name. Their most notorious record was produced by this guy named Trent Reznor, who was the front/main man for this band called Nine Inch Nails. After Reznor produced Manson, he released a song called "Starf•••rs, Inc.". The song included the line _"All our pain, how did you think we'd get by without you? You're so vain I bet you think this song is about you. Don't you? Don't you?"_ By that time he and Manson (the singer) had fallen out, and the public just _knew_ the song was about Manson. The funny thing is that a couple of years later Manson ended up doing some guest spots for NIN and wouldn't you know it, he made his entrance during "Starf•••rs, Inc.". I don't think those guys stayed friends, but it was funny to see.

[@BGRPiccu]

Faster Pussycat did a cover of this song during the hair metal days. Mick Jagger is singing backing vocals on the chorus which is ironic because many thought the song's lyrics were about him.

[@user-or1ye3iz6d]

PLEASE react to Carly Simon "Coming around again" original video. It's one of my FAVORITE songs ever. ❤️

[@keithbrown7685]

"...I know nothing stays the same but if you're willing to play the game... it'll be coming around again..." I think that's how the chorus went.

[@billsager5634]

Yes, Carly Simon wrote the song, herself, back in 1971. The song has been rumored to be about Carly's ex James Taylor, singer Mick Jagger, actor Warren Beatty, and others. Before the song became a hit single in 1972, Simon told an interviewer that the song was about "men", not a specific "man" In 1983, Carly stated in an interview that the song is definitely NOT about Mick Jagger, as Mick sang the backing vocals on the song. In 1993, David Bowie's ex-wife Angie Bowie wrote in her autobiography that she (Angie) is the "wife of a close friend" claiming that Mick Jagger was "obsessed" with her. Carly was married to singer James Taylor at the time she wrote the song. -btw - Check out James Taylor ("Fire and Rain", "You've Got a Friend"; "Country Road"; "Long Ago and Far Away"; "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)"; "Shower the People"; "Handy Man"; "Your Smiling Face"; "Her Town Too" ) Or check out Carly & James' duet: "Mockingbird" David Bowie, David Cassidy and Cat Stevens have all been rumored to be the subject of the song. To Asia's point regarding the line, "You're so vain, you probably think the song is about you" - actor Warren Beatty has claimed the song is about him for the past 50 years. He's had numerous interviews where he states the song is about him. And yes, Beatty is VAIN ENOUGH to think the world revolves around him.. Carly has given clues over the years, and remember, the song has THREE verses. Each verse is about a different man. Carly confirmed in 2016 that the 2nd verse is definitely about Warren Beatty.

[@biggmaqq]

Great album, by the way. Everyone was in love with her cover photo

[@sharonchaput9705]

She wrote this about Warren Beatty. People thought it was about Mick Jagger back in the day. He sang background vocals on this.

[@FlashGeiger]

This song is hers... but I do have an album of her covers... *Torch* , which is old torch songs. On vinyl of course because I'm old. edit to add... I just looked it up on AMG and she did write 2 of the songs on the album.

[@jmelio1]

The rumor is that this song is about Warren Beatty an old time famous actor and ladies man. They dated for a while. Mick Jagger from the Rolling Stones is singing back up. Carly Simon is classic. An unbelievable song writer. She and James Taylor (another rabbit hole you should go down)were an iconic musical married couple. You must go down her rabbit hole too. 'That's the Way I've Always Heard it Should Be'....her first major hit and so, so many after that

[@fabian4ever69]

Carly is a brilliant singer and songwriter. She has many great songs.

[@treywhitehead2262]

That’s actually Mick Jagger on background vocals during the chorus.

[@gottabeemee]

Carly is a songwriter/singer who is excellent at telling stories... She never did say who she had in mind when she wrote this... SO VAIN: It's someone who believes the sun doesn't shine, until they roll out of bed... Lots of original songs! NICE!.. PEACE

[@carollittle1059]

She is the daughter of Richard Simon who was part of the big book publishing company, Simon and Schuster.