First time watching The Fall of the House of Usher reaction episode 1x8

[@BaddMedicine]

What a finish! That heartbreaking moment was tough and so well shot! Shout out to the cast and crew. What was your reaction? Where does this rank on your Mike Flannagan list? Early Drops & Full Reactions on YT Memberships & Patreon: www.patreon.com/baddmedicine Backup channel Subscribe here kzbin.info/door/1CLUwA27dz-94o3FR0o3xg

[@jenloveshorror]

Did you guys catch the ad on Netflix for Mike Flanagans shows & movies, & Netflix actually used the words something like enter the "Flanaverse". I was surprised to hear that. Is that the reason he doesn't like it I wonder? I thought it was cute when yall said it, but I wasn't aware & Quinn mentioned he doesn't like it so I'm guessing he can't be happy at all then that they put that ad out there like that. I was like hey that's a Badd Medicine phrase & Netflix stole ur idea, but that's pretty crappy they would still use it if the creator himself doesn't approve.

[@khaleesimandy74]

This was the most wonderful and amazing shows I've seen in a long time.

[@KristineCintron]

PLEASE watch “Man on fire” with Denzel Washington ❤ I’ll LOVE to see ya reaction

[@cjt11]

Not to sure if youll see this but youll should watch "FROM" its a horror series

[@yathendrasomisheety6313]

Salaar trailer reaction please

[@syre97]

Lenore’s death both broke and comforted me. She died peacefully and knowing that she saved so many lives by saving just one person. “You did that” 😭

[@ACinemafanatic]

And her father and aunt are responsible for destroying millions of lives while she with her decision chose to save her mother and saved millions

[@imgettingtoooldforthis]

I also loved how Death/devil hated that she had to do it. She was angry about it.

[@caggles]

It broke my heart, but it was perfect for the story. One of the deaths had to be an unquestionable tragedy with no chance for justification. Especially after episode 7, where it's so easy to keep riding high on the "Freddie deserved it" energy, straight through to Roderick and Madeline. It was thematically necessary to have that strong, heartbreaking reminder that, oh yeah, this isn't a story of righteous vengeance, this is a story of two deeply selfish people selling their children for money and security.

[@syre97]

@@caggles this was so beautifully written and so incredibly true!!

[@captainsplifford]

@@caggles Perfectly said.

[@princessConsualabannanahamock]

I appreciate that both Madeline and Rodrick had the same ending as their parents, Felt very symmetrical like Verna says

[@VonPatzy]

I think it’s interesting as cold as Madeline was as a person she was always less in denial about the night at the bar. Even though it faded like a dream she never had kids and while she strove for immortality she also applied her AI tech prematurely to Lenore instead of herself. Roderick not only condemned his two actual children to an early grave over a cocktail that night he also went on to have FOUR MORE kids doomed to his poisonous money and early death. If ever there were an argument for a vasectomy.

[@ms-literary6320]

I think that Rodrick knew the whole time and was just lying. He lied all season about not believing it given he saw Verna in his house in the first episode. His theme all season is denial (the drug is fine, my parenting made my kids stronger etc.) and then his confession boiled down to “I knew”.

[@IrishPieceofTrash1]

It's so interesting that Madeline started off as the way more cutthroat of the two but as they got older, that seemed to reverse. At the end of his life Roderick was at the point that he genuinely didn't care about the people he hurt, denied anything was ever wrong and never took ownership for what he did (well until Verna brought him back just to confess to August) Plus worst of all he had more children, knowingly condemning them to an early death. While Madeline, as cold as she was still, did express more care (in her own way) for the children as she got older. Turning up to Tamerlane's launch and involving Lenore so much with the AI project which was clearly so important to her to achieve. Roderick may have cared for Lenore too, but that seemed like it was in a detached way, just as much as he was to his children. As evidenced by the fact that her Mum was going through absolute hell at the hands of Frederick and all Roderick cared about was him being the swing vote with the board members.

[@ct6852]

The visual of those falling bodies piling up outside the board room in the rain was really strong. Appreciate how in this Flannagan series the last episode truly felt like the climax of the story and not the epigraph. The whole cast nailed it.

[@nehamir3460]

Leonare received a raven feather, because Verna took the form of a raven, with a white rose tied to it. Unlike the other characters, Verna placed the object gently on top of the tombstone, underlying Verna's love and respect for her

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

All of them were placed gently, apart from fredricks. Verna would've had to slam the feather on the stone for it to not be gentle. it is a feather after all.

[@ACinemafanatic]

@@rexibhazoboa7097Lenore’s was placed with gentleness out of all of them

[@rogue7723]

I always thought it was a representation that Lenore’s death hurt Verna _the most._

[@chelscara]

11:03 still can’t get over how no matter how strong Madelyn wants to be, Annabel Lee really left her with a mental scar with that comment, she pointed out something Madelyn never let herself admit, but she still used it to fuel her ‘dreams’

[@ms-literary6320]

It seemed to really strike a nerve (brick message for example). Madeline had her strongest reaction all season when Verna said she was a “collection of masks orbiting a stunted heart.”

[@EmmarainePink]

Lol fr she's like "You're weak 'cause you're kind and submissive" but the thing is, being kind and passive was Annabel's choice, unlike Madeleine who HAD to be tough because life didn't really give her a choice to relax.

[@Prof.SeverusSnape]

​@@EmmarainePink lol, no. Even that suffering was of her own creation.

[@austinpena5605]

Lenore didn't deserve her death but she had the most peaceful one

[@jocelyngipson7882]

And you see the contrast bc she has said for most of them they could go peacefully if they wanted

[@mst3KGf]

ALL the Usners could have had deaths like hers if they'd taken Verna's warnings seriously. They were all doomed, but Verna could have made it peaceful if only they'd listen. But in the end only Lenore, the genuinely good one of them, got such an end.

[@justlive2809]

yes but also i find it very brutal she didn't say goodbye to her mom or anything so..

[@jocelyngipson7882]

@@justlive2809 death waits for no one

[@birdiejett3163]

This is my favorite episode of the series. So morbid yet satisfying. I love how they never quite explain what Verna is, placing her as this fluid immortal concept more than a specific myth.

[@mapletree3434]

Anabel abot her Roderick: "I made him up"... he was ALWAYS like this. we - the vuewers - just see Madrline as cut thoat from the get go. But he was the same all along. Anabel's realization was heartbreaking.

[@hisoka8039]

Roderick was worse than Madeline, all the cruelty without the talent except he can hide his intentions way better

[@mapletree3434]

@hisoka8039 Agree with that viewpoint as well. He HAD children when he sold them away, so there's that, too.

[@PacificEgg]

This was my Flanaverse introduction. Ive now watched Hill House, Bly, Midnight Mass. Some of my all time favorite netflix shows.

[@misshell]

Check out his movies, Hush and Oculus. You'll love them also.

[@cccsssish]

Not to mention Gerald's Game which is also on Netflix

[@PacificEgg]

Thanks for the recommendations. I'm definitely gonna watch those.

[@chelscara]

23:41 there is no tragedy without real loss. He sold out his bloodline, and no matter how good she is, Lenore is part of that. At least her death marks the beginning life and love for others, instead of just an end of destruction

[@mitchellhp]

I was so hopeful about Lenore’s future. I took Verna saying “the next generation” too literal, and thought she would skip Lenore. Such an absolutely heart wrenching scene her death was. Loved Pym turning down Verna’s deal & just accepting his fate. What a man of character. I wish we knew how he got tied up with the Ushers. Such an amazing show, and so different from Flannagan’s others. Thank you guys for reacting. Loved every second

[@Vampgurl202]

I like how Verna respected him for turning her deal down

[@captainsplifford]

Although, Verna initially said "bloodline," which means everyone who comes after.

[@mst3KGf]

There's actually implication that Verna was responsible for Pym going to work for the Ushers; after all, best for the family to have an ace fixer to uphold the deal of them always escaping the consequences of their action until the time came to pay up. And since Verna was very much aware of Pym's talents having encountered him on the Trans-Global Expedition, she knew who to send to the Ushers.

[@babygirl6054]

I absolutely loved this series. Lenore’s death absolutely broke my heart, I cried like a big baby. The actress did such a good job she also was excellent in Doctor Sleep.

[@BunnyGirl71]

There was an interesting parallel between Madeline and Rufus. Annabelle Lee called Madeline "small" the last time she saw her, and to someone as ruthless and brilliant as Madeline, that was one of the greatest insults. Madeline knew that Rufus, for as crude and vile as he was, was equally as ambitious as she was, so she knew that writing what she did on the brick would be as deep a verbal cut as she could make. Thank you for such thoughtful reflections throughout the series. It makes a vicarious rewatch all the more enjoyable.

[@CarrieF90]

It's a beautiful thing to watch an being of fate and consequence, a creature that came from another plane, another world who can brutally make good on her deal, be so kind and gentle and regretful of certain aspects of her existence. She truly liked Lenore, loved her for her kindness and empathy, for her ability to stand as an uncorrupted light in the middle of what the Usher's were. Lenore's death tore me apart and the expression of sorrow on Verna's face only added to it. For a moment, you think, maybe she'll spare Lenore, but then you realize that that's not how consequence works. Lenore's death is on Roderick's hands. He took a deal and had children knowing full well what would happen and in turn, his child had a child, the best and brightest of them, and Roderick didn't care enough to have the forethought of what that could mean. Verna gave him a choice, every step of the way, and he used those choices to hurt people. Even so, Lenore's light lives on and she saves millions by one simple act of love and defiance.

[@jenloveshorror]

Very well stated. You nailed exactly what I had been thinking too. I never looked at her character as "death". It's more complex than that, but I never could figure out how to explain my thoughts so I'm so glad I saw ur comment!!!

[@IrishPieceofTrash1]

I love that Verna not only gave Lenore the kindest and most peaceful death possible, but told her about her mother and the good that she would go on to do in her name. That her saving her mother would end up saving countless people.

[@Keladinus]

The irony of Madeline saying "If Verna wants me, she'll have to look me straight in the eye"... And then Roderick immediately removing her eyes afterwards, as if he hadn't heard a word she said. No wonder she woke up so angry at him.

[@agm5424]

My theory on Verna is that she's a type of cosmic being, something similar to The Endless from Dc comics. The best explanation I've read from a commenter in another video is that she's one of the beings that dwell somewhere beneath the earth, as in hollow earth, outside of time and space, a place that can only be reached from a mythical island somewhere in the north pole region called Ultima Thule that Poe mentioned on his poem Dreamland. That's why she told Arthur that she came "top side" to the world, and that she saw her in the "ice" in the north and in ep seven Roderick said that Arthur told the kids stories about people living under the earth, wich was probably the writers hint at what she is.

[@EmmarainePink]

This! I've been thinking of the Endless too

[@agm5424]

​​@@EmmarainePink Yep been reading Sandman when started the series so immediately made the connection, not to mention Poe's writting gave inspiration to Lovecraft who's writting in turn influence the Endless who are basically Outer Gods so in a way it all came full cirlce with Verna.

[@maxisussex]

I'm pretty sure she is a Jinn for multiple reasons. 1st, Jinn can weave in and out of space and time, as Verna can. 2nd, they can take human or animal form, as verna does, often appearing as a raven (Verna spells raven). 3rd, they are said to be made of smoke and flame, Verna dissipates into smoke and leaves soot on Madeline's hands. 4th, they are said to inspire poets and artists, there is lots of poetry from Roderick. 5th, Jinn are the basis for genies, who make wishes come true, as does Verna. 6th, Jinn have free will and can be either good or bad, or anything in-between, and Verna appears to have her own moral code, the morality of the Ushers influences how she kills them.

[@arrjee3176]

I want a CD of just Carla Gugino reading Poe's poems. This series is one I can revisit indefinitely. You guys are the next best thing to watching it with a roomful of friends.

[@sajiamahajabin1726]

I think it's interesting that the only time Roderick shows sadness from losing a loved one is when Lenore dies. He never showed or expressed any sadness or emotion when his any of his children died, his focus was instead on how to deal the PR damage. But the only time he's seen grieving is when he finds Lenore dead.

[@chelscara]

6:35 in Midnight Mass we see Zach Gilford play a character that becomes his most ‘pure’ self in terms of sacrifice, acceptance and forgiveness. Here we get to watch him hide a monster until the time is just right to emerge. Lots of amazing acting in this show but I really loved the differences and his “reveal” here and in Verna’s deal

[@Keldon334]

There was so many cleverly ironic moments in this episode but my favorite one is when Madeline is giving her speech at the end and she says “if death wants me then shes going to have to come look me straight in the eyes.” Fast forward to the end and we see that Madelines eyes were cut out and replaced with the sapphire stones by Roderick. To me this Roderick’s way of helping her achieve her dream of immortality. Since her eyes were removed death never got to claim her in a way.

[@megdelaney3677]

Items placed on gravestones: Frederick-c0ke -Tamerlane-golden scarab -Victorine-heart device -Leo-cat collar -Camille-iphone -Prospero-mask -Madeline-2 sapphires -Roderick-whiskey glass of original deal

[@manuboy214]

The whispering endings are hilarious! I'm going to miss them!

[@sheliatolar8295]

I loved rewatching with y’all! Fantastic reactions to this phenomenal series. It’s my favorite by Flanagan. Lenore’s fate breaks my heart even though I knew it was coming. But it was beautifully and gently done. Carla Gugino deserves all the awards! Her portrayal of Verna was masterful perfection.

[@dihboas]

I saw an interview with Carla Gugino and she said that in her mind Verna is not death or the devil, she's the manifestation of luck

[@jenloveshorror]

Cool. I didn't really think of her as death either, but couldn't really find the right words so I was going w like destiny or fortune. I just kept thinking death is more of a simpler idea if that makes sense.

[@mst3KGf]

Or rather fate/karma. Really, it doesn't matter what specifically she is, as that's open for interpretation. She's an immortal supernatural beings who likes to play with mortals. That's all that's needed for the sake of the story.

[@aubryellaotero1064]

Edgar Allen Poe’s work really IS timeless I mean the idea of being bricked behind a wall alive is still just chilling. He was a genius when it came to horror.

[@Marzipanilla]

The funny thing about the Verna bar deal to me is that they already betrayed Auggie and killed their boss, so like... even in their 'other/better' life, they still would have done that lol

[@ms-literary6320]

Personally, I don’t think Verna would have made her offer if they hadn’t tbh. She says they “already sold their souls one brick at a time.” I loved the reveal that the deal didn’t ‘make’ them bad. They were already like that.

[@cccsssish]

@@ms-literary6320 exactly

[@Marzipanilla]

@@ms-literary6320 so where do you think their 'fates' split? Before betraying Auggie? Pym rejected her, so I think it is possible to refuse her deal, even if she sees something in you that would make the offer tempting, so I do believe there is something of a choice in the matter.

[@SoldMySoul45]

@@MarzipanillaI think maybe the split happens when Roderick first goes to Rufus and he turns him down and he comes back once he learns that he took his idea. He probably made the choice to leave the company at that point, not “eating the shit” they serve him like Maddie wants him to do. I wish we knew for certain. Such a fantastic story.

[@ms-literary6320]

@@Marzipanilla I think the split happens at Madeline’s Mrs. Muldoon speech in Ep. 3. They set up the choice between Annabel and family life, and Madeline and cut throat success. Rodrick comes home with his raise and his bonus. He’s disappointed but kind of accepting, partly because Annabel is celebrating. Madeline changes the mood by monologuing about how charging at a situation got him locked in a closet as a child (invoking a trauma reaction which affects how he responds to her ideas). She hints at making a plan (come at it sideways, be sneaky). She ends with the imagery of Rodrick bricked into his childhood closet. Or he could be the one with the trowel. Cut to Annabel making plans for their future and says she doesn’t like Madeline. Rodrick responds by getting poetic at her. They seem in love. Two important women in his life and two paths to choose from. There’s the split.

[@anonymousgirl4605]

Diamond Dave looked so sad when Lenore died. I was crying when I saw that scene 😢.

[@AsielFlores]

Finally!!! I’ve been refreshing your channel nonstop since yesterday.

[@rebeccaives4566]

I've really enjoyed all of these Usher ep reactions - great job, guys!

[@JaimeCard]

Thank you for a final asmr ending 😂 the Pitch Perfect recommendation is hysterical 😂

[@prettykit4]

I love the consumerism speech as well. I work at a company that is all about “keeping up, customer demand” so that speech hits. As the workers of the company we are the ones who have to put in the blood sweat and tears and be speedy all the time because of keeping up with this “demand.”

[@eddietucker7005]

Oh! Have y’all seen Flanagan’s “Gerald’s Game”? It’s great, that’s all I’ll say. I don’t want to give any spoilers. “Oculus” is wonderful, too!

[@chelscara]

The little raven animation at the beginning is so cute, have I been missing it!?!? I’m gonna have to go back and watch the rest again I guess 😂😂😊😊

[@BaddMedicine]

You didn't. This was the first time 😁🤙

[@tedlagemann8561]

Congrats to both Madeline Usher's for being nominated for Critics Choice awards! Willa Fitzgerald and Mary McDonnell!

[@jlerrickson]

I think your reaction to this series might be my favorite of everything you've done. You were clearly having so much fun with it and each other, and that ASMR bit for all of the credits gave me the giggles every time. Thank you for sharing!

[@marybrown6128]

Great, great series reaction guys! I’ve enjoyed the hell out of this ride!

[@analiamariarabelocavalcant5499]

Such an amazing series. It was really fun rewatching with you guys! My favorite reaction channel ❤

[@_Rook12]

*whispering* "since you liked Fall of the House of Usher, we suggest Pitch Perfect" 😂

[@Jitterzz]

Personally I still think Hill House is pretty much a perfect show, and will still be the one I’d watch first out of the selections. Either way though, each of these shows from Flanagan are 10 outta 10 and there are arguments for each on why they’d be a favorite, so I love hearing the discussion!

[@jenloveshorror]

Loved this show on so many levels. This is by far his best imo. Just finished midnight club. It was ok, but not the best imo. Been waiting to see this reaction cause knew u would love it. So many good lines in this ep like "i see the poverty of you". Chills y'all! As soon as I heard the bloodline deal, my immediate thought was oh no Lenore is gonna die! Heartbreaking.

[@BaddMedicine]

Tragic for Lenore.

[@jenloveshorror]

​@BaddMedicine If they do get chance to submit scene for the actress playing Verna ( sorry always forget her name) for an award then the scene w Lenore could be a contender maybe. But she's had so many other ones too it be hard to pick just one imo

[@brayerkh]

⁠@@jenloveshorror Carla Gugino is her name by the way! I would definitely vote for her too but sadly Hollywood completely disregards horror for whatever reason when it comes to awards for shows and movies.

[@jenloveshorror]

​@@brayerkhexactly & thank u. Was just getting ready to look it up. She's great in all I've seen her in, but it's like this show just was acting to the highest example of perfection to highlight the huge range of one person!!

[@nikolaiquack8548]

For Oak I would like to highly recommend reading the short stories and poems referenced here (the main ones at least), now that he's watched the entire series. To give a broad overview on what to read: Episode 2 - The Masque of the Red Death Episode 3 - Murders in the Rue Morgue Episode 4 - The Black Cat Episode 5 - The Tell-Tale Heart Episode 6 - William Wilson and Tamerlane (the latter only lends the character her name, but the story is more akin to William Wilson) Episode 7 - The Pit and The Pendulum and The City in the Sea (one of the poems Verna recites) Episode 8 - The Raven (duh), The Cask of Amontillado (inspiration for the death of Rufus), Annabelle Lee (one of Poe's best poems, referenced throughout the series again and again) and Spirits of the Dead (the final poem Verna recites in full, while at their graves) And if he reads all or some of these, tell em to get back to me XD

[@jenloveshorror]

Thanks for info. I'm curious since u seem very familiar do u know the name of the one that references Pym & the boat Grampus. I thought I saw someone mention it before. Sorry if I got boat name wrong, but I want to try to read that one

[@nikolaiquack8548]

@@jenloveshorror You're weclome :) Ahhh yes, it's actually one of the few I haven't read (yet). It's simply called "The narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket" and it was Poe's only completed novel.

[@jenloveshorror]

@@nikolaiquack8548 ok cool.thanks. I'll have to see if I can find it.😊

[@nikolaiquack8548]

@@jenloveshorror Same here, actually 😂

[@nikolaiquack8548]

@@Philosophocles39 Thanks for adding to it. I have not yet read the latter, but you're making me want to.

[@hulda4ever]

I love how she gave Lenor the only painless death

[@amandadougherty6615]

She was in reacher and so was the actor who played young Auggie! Both awesome in both productions.

[@princessConsualabannanahamock]

I found Mark Hamill’s scene to be one of the most powerful of the whole series

[@ct6852]

I don't understand why Verna went so easy on him. Feel like I'm missing something but not sure what.

[@johncheshirsky8822]

@@ct6852 wdym "easy on him"? He's not part of the Usher family, so he's not part of the deal. She didn't have to kill him there, so she didn't. Instead, she did what she did with the younger Ushers in 1980 -- offered a deal. But unlike Roderick and Madeline, Pym declined. So she let him go.

[@ct6852]

@@johncheshirsky8822 I need to rewatch that last scene with Hamill because I didn't quite understand it. I thought his protecting and enabling them for so long made him implicitly part of the curse.

[@johncheshirsky8822]

@@ct6852 that could be a valid read, but the deal specifically said "bloodline." Pym is implied to have his own hefty baggage of past darkness even before he ties his life to the Ushers, with the Arctic expedition and all. Also, the fact that he was offered a deal in the first place and went to jail after this whole ordeal means he wasn't part of the curse. Because that means that he wasn't part of the Ushers' fortune, he just rode on its coat tails.

[@bd3966]

This is def my fav series from Mike Flannagan he did incredible, the way he told Edgar Allen Poe's stories in a modern way, and the actors were incredible!! EDIT: Lenore's death saddened me the most

[@OptifiedPixels]

diamond daves hat gave me some levity at the end there hahaha, jokes aside this was one of the best shows I've ever watched, came into this reaction after binge watching the flanaverse and then binge watching you guys, I was sure this couldn't top midnight mass but I was pleasantly surprised. Loved this journey with the 3 and then the answer jumping in. keep it up guys love the stuff.

[@yvonnejaime1266]

OMGOSH you gentlemen are babies! 😆 I was born 12/30/1984 I 'm an 80's baby. My favorite characters in Fall The House Of Usher is Verna and Juno. Verna is an anagram for Raven. Verna is not the devil. She is not even evil, she is an executor of fate, an executor of karma. She is a shape shifter. She manifests to each person the moment before their death as they can see her. Verna is offering these people the most honest conversation they will over have in their lives. She offers them the chance to make a better decision, to do a good thing. Make a different choice. She is like a raven always watching from a vantage point. Watching these people, she could see into your soul. She allows people to tell the truth in a way we rarely do. The family is like an instrument that she can play with perfection. My favorite episodes are 2,6&8. You guys are in for a wild ride.

[@moopotatokimchi]

I just finished your base reaction, and I'm popping down here before your breakdown of the series to come say something I've wanted to say the whole series but had to wait. My comment here is through the analytical lens of ethos(credibility and ethics), logos (logic and reasoning), and pathos (emotion and feelings) for anyone unfamiliar with these terms :) So Mike's shows ALWAYS make me cry. They are always so jam-packed full of emotion and pathos and just so much I can empathize with. That's one of the staples of his shows. I'm empathy incarnate when I watch shows. So I was very flabbergasted as I watched this show to realize he wasn't going for pathos on this series - at least not as the main drive. Because even I - Miss thinks-about-a-sad-scene-and-cries - wasn't crying. ........ and then Lenore. It's like Mike saved every single ounce of pathos and slowly built it up in her so that the juxtaposition of her death compared to everyone else's would hit that much harder. Verna's speech to her - where she outlines how much good Lenore would bring about just by being brave is beautiful, and I think it's an absolute MASTERPIECE that Mike managed to craft this show that could reserve all empathy until that singular moment. This show is full of so much ethos and logos - which let's be real, Mike's stories ALWAYS make us think - ALWAYS makes us consider ethics. But by reserving Pathos until Lenore, the other two become the highlight of this show. And I think it's INCREDIBLE. How often does the show focus in on the logic or the ethics? That's what makes Madeline's speech and even Verna's to Pim so impactul- they call upon the viewers to reflect on the absence of ethics in the show as they relate to reality and ultimately ask us if we, like Mike in his directorial decisions, are withholding pathos in our own lives? That question is critical because I think the underlying theme to this show is that you can be the smartest person in the world - you can think yourself justified in purpose, but the moment you remove yourself from empathy, you lose.

[@BrajBliss]

Ah man, I really want to watch something with you guys. Wholesome.

[@Roslins-Airlock]

I don't think Roderick was trying to break the deal when he poisoned Madeline. I believe, by that point, he knew it was the end, and he wanted to spare Madeline whatever Verna had in store for her. Madeline was obsessed with Egyptian stuff, so he probably did think it was a way to honor her in death. I have an even darker thought of what else might have occurred in the basement...

[@chelscara]

49:08 I do think part of Madelyn having that speech is to show how the people in charge justify these decisions for themselves. They’re not entirely wrong, but they’re not using this information for the better, they’re exploiting it. And of course, how is it everyone else’s fault that doctors prescribed them “ligodone”? They trusted their doctors, not all were like that but likely most of them were. It’s also why I feel Juno is there, she shows how someone just got in an accident and got put on the drug while they were under and became addicted to it/switched addictions from heroin to ligodone. Was it really _all_ her fault?

[@judithortiz-velazquez4992]

You guys figured out that Verna did not allow Maddie to die first. They came into the world together, they leave together. Thanks so much for closing that loop for me.

[@vbmorris81]

I need a PyM series.

[@loveIetter]

i just enjoyed the scene with verna and arthur so much

[@ayaretgonzalez27078]

“Is that Pym?” Why would she throw pym out the building window😂

[@stewiegriffin4118]

The way the same actors gets used multiple times in Mike Flanagan's shows reminds me of the cast that come back each time American Horror Story does a new season. Brilliant How the good actors can do this and make it seem new and fresh every single time

[@draco1811]

I live in Baltimore, near downtown. Every year, near Halloween or Edgar Allen Poe's Birthday, I see roses and cards scattered around near his grave at the Westminster Church. After this series, I wonder how much traffic the site is going to get.

[@moopotatokimchi]

😂😂I had to memorize the Raven in High School too. Someone in my class then asked me to a dance using the poem. 😂 I answered by putting a raven above the doorframe with a sign that said yes 😂😂

[@meganmckay4374]

Perfect! Once again a episode of a horror series that made me cry😢. Mike Flanagan please keep making amazing cinema!

[@shellylynn1293]

Perry was 25, because Freddrick made a point to say 25 years ago, the inheretance split into 6 pieces

[@izabelasiczek3547]

Was thinking yesterday I can't wait for episode 8!

[@mythosinmedia]

I loved it this series so much cool mine It's definitely one of my favorites by Flanagan. I have a soft spot for Midnight Mass because a lot of people think it's too slow, but for me that's a story that builds and builds and builds to such a crescendo of insanity and horror that it was just amazing. The study on fanaticism in how people rationalize even the most evil things because of their beliefs really got to me.

[@gacchan]

So sad this is the end of the series, it was AMAZING

[@WonderTash]

Mike Flanagan has never disappointed so far! I highly recommend his other series The Midnight Club, it's got a lot of familiar faces and some of the new faces from this show were there first like the two assistants and Roderick's wife!

[@the_nikster1]

I would 100% turn Verna down. life is suffering and chaos mostly, and that's what makes the happy times so great: the contrast. if everything was perfect all the time, we wouldn't be able to truly appreciate happiness. even if I had to live 100 years in poverty, I'd choose that over 50 years of a life like the Ushers had. their lives looked absolutely miserable. Midnight Mass was my favorite of Mike Flanagan's shows up until this point, however, The Fall of the House of Usher has become my favorite by a tiny margin. this is truly his magnum opus and I have thoroughly enjoyed your reactions! thanks, guys! 😃

[@Heretolearn21]

This falls as #1 on my Flanagan list! Loved it! Lessons for us all but especially for the rich & powerful… Verna=Raven, a transposition of letters. She wasn’t death or even evil - she was opportunity/karma & an interested observer of choices that we humans make. Perhaps she is symbolic of “God”, but one that puts us here & turns us loose to live as we will, without interference. She is a complex character &, I believe, also an internal moral compass which, it seems, was usually ignored in the family dynamic where narcissistic/sociopathic tendencies ruled. I love how he wove Poe’s psychologically insightful stories into a social commentary using the lives of a predatory pharmaceutical company (Fortunato = Purdue) & it’s ruling family (Ushers = Sacklers) & how they destroyed millions of lives predicated on a lie about their premier drug (Ligadone = OxyContin)… way too coincidental! So much more to be said about Flanagan’s talent & depth of discernment in exposing uncomfortable societal/personal truths. Knocked it out of the park & I am a big fan!

[@alwaysbam]

I have to say. The Fall of the House of Usher really went head to head with Haunting of Hill House in my mind for best Flanaverse series.

[@greentiger332]

Verna honestly seems more like a reflection of everyone's inner thoughts and turmoil than anything else. Prospero loves his hedonism but also knows somewhere inside that what he's doing is wrong which is what Verna tells him, Camille knows why she hates her sister and that she could have been great allies together, Leo tries to throw money and drugs at his problems to make them go away but they never truly do just like the cat never goes away even after crushing its skull. Vic knows she wants to be famous more than anything and is trapped inside her own thoughts and desires while Tammy knows what kind of life she could be living if she just relaxed and opened up with her husband. Fredrick is so warped from what he feels he has to do to earn his father's respect and approval that he honestly hates himself for what he's doing, which is reflected in how Verna despises him.

[@missk8tie]

If you go back to the first episode, the very first thing you hear is Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" playing in the bar

[@ErynRenee]

I've been waiting for you guys to get to the best jumpscare of the series!!!

[@romaczech75]

Guys. You gotta watch the max docuseries Love Has Won. It's wild.

[@bertcompton]

what’s it about

[@romaczech75]

​@@bertcompton A documentary filmed about something that feels like you’re reading a person more mentally ill than one thought filling out a Mad Libs… Occupation: Cult Leader Beverage: Colloidal Silver Movie: Weekend At Bernie’s Dead Celebrity Who Speaks To You: Robin Williams Something like that.

[@Blackhorselove1]

@@bertcomptona cult called Love Has Won, particularly the death of their leader

[@cccsssish]

As great as this show was, I and many others actually disagree that that was Flanagan's best. Personally, I still think that Midnight Mass is unsurpassable, and the same claim could be made about Haunting of Hill House. If anything was missing in The House of Usher, it was the heartbreaking drama, the devastating combination of horror and heart that's where Flanagan shines the brightest . So, different people have different rankings. Let the poor guy discover this amazing creator without bias ☺️

[@boujeeasf.]

Loved these reactions to this series. I really hope you guys do The Midnight Club now that this show is over.

[@aubryellaotero1064]

Nice little masonry reference and it works triple here! 😉

[@jessicaross9666]

We do know what would have happened if they hadn't taken Verna's deal. Remember we were told, if Roderick hadn't taken the deal, he would have been a poet. "A broke poet, but is there any other kind?"

[@BlueJean452]

This show was amazing. It is definitely my favorite of Mike Flanagan’s shows but my favorite of all his projects will always be Doctor Sleep. The actress who played Lenore was absolutely amazing it that movie.

[@caggles]

"And my soul, from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor" - said while Lenore's body is on the floor in front of him. 25:50 Absolutely perfect. God. I also really feel like Auggie's speech at the graves is a message to the Sackler family (basically the IRL Ushers) and everyone like them, basically saying that this fictionalization of them is all they deserve, that their actual story, with whatever justifications and explanations it might include, just isn't worth telling. Its a very poignant idea, IMO.

[@eddietucker7005]

I have SO been waiting for y’all to react to the last episode. Y’all did not disappoint! My favorite throw away line from Verna was when the actually went there and she said (paraphrasing) You could walk in the middle of main street, shoot someone and you wouldn’t get in trouble (a la Trump) BWAHhahaha!! 🤣 I’m glad they let Henry Thomas stretch his acting chops and play a bad guy. Even Flanagan’s “Ouija: Origins of Evil”, he played a good guy. I cannot wait until the Emmy nominations come out. Carla’s name had better be on that list! Yeah, I get what’s going on with strike but I’m going to be so mad if she’s not nominated, along with the writers! Gents, I’m going to say it again, you need to watch “Penny Dreadful”! It’s better than this, but I can’t say by much. And as for “Pitch Perfect”… never more!!! I’m afraid I’m going to have to miss that one, but y’all have a great time with it.

[@ambremanifold6549]

A way to view this is Roderick who came from poverty made the deal because he was afraid that uis children will suffer like he did

[@blotcho84]

This was a spectacular series!

[@stevenandcarminabeedle9089]

Oak might’ve been onto something (as always) when he mentioned how Roderick kept having children, knowing they’d be doomed, and not caring. I’d suggest he did care and maybe was subconsciously careless with all their mothers. The more children, the more time he gets right? Since Verna told him he’d essentially go last. He made sure to enfold them into the family after they found him, as if to show that YES, THESE ARE MY CHILDREN AND I CLAIM THEM ALL. As long as they were his blood he didn’t turn them away. He may have loved them in his own way, but he had sold most of them out before they were even born.

[@ricardocastro6320]

By bloodline Verna doesn’t just mean Freddie she means all of them.

[@cozydayzandnightz]

I think the only reason I could rank this number one of all the Flan-series shows is because I'm watching your censored version. Had I watched the full uncensored version, I wouldn't be able to sit through all the gore. That said, amazing story, and the actress who played Verna is 10/10 in anything she's in. It was a really cool series, and I'm happy I got to watch it with everyone else in the Badd Medicine community!

[@RoroRoseD]

Yeah we had to memorise all Edgar Allan Poe's work in high school, it was nerve-racking coz they include it in the exams🥲and nothing stuck with me except the Cask of Amontillado and Annabel Lee🤣

[@CatninjaNL]

I really love your Flanagan reactions. Would not mind if you did Hill House again, since one of you did not see it yet and it has been a while, might look at it different now.

[@kevinbarber7640]

Best thing is Verna = Raven: anagram

[@stupidsminkle]

Young Auggie is also from Reacher - the cop

[@Letha-Mae]

Have you FELLAS looked into ASMR 😂 bc you have great voices!! But what a great show and I knew the granddaughter would go easy bc she was innocent and really wanted good for ppl everyone else died painfully

[@BaddMedicine]

Haha we haven't

[@jenloveshorror]

So they just put out their new gaming channel, but now they may be thinking what a missed opportunity to have fans vote on ASMR as an option!!! lol 😂 😂

[@FeliciaWilliams1908]

Roderick ultimately proved to be more ruthless than Madeline because knowing that 2 children would for sure die, he had more children while Madeline had none. The other children were corrupted by the money so ended up having brutal. Lenore was a good person so was taken peacefully. It was a gut punch when she had to die. The acting and writing was incredible. Also, I finally hit the subscribe button after lurking since the awesome One Piece reaction.

[@captainsplifford]

While Hill House will always and forever be my favorite series in the Flanaverse, Usher quickly became my second favorite. It's so completely brilliant, weaving the Poe oeuvre into one cohesive story. What are some of the classic horror writers or stories you would like to see him and his troupe tackle next?

[@anacfmelofdj]

Can the rest of you guys make Answer watch the rest of the flaneverse now, please? He will thank you later!

[@Wraiven22]

Oculus! I feel like that one always gets overlooked

[@megdelaney3677]

Verna is the Raven. And the raven tells him 'Nevermore'. I thought Madeline would have figured out a way to 'transfer' herself into Lenore's body with her A.I. tech, to live forever. I was disappointed with only the online presence. But at least Lenore had a true legacy that would help people.

[@wrongnumber878]

I still prefer Midnight mass over this. That's probably because I knew the ending of this one-the deaths of every family member, including Lenore, whereas Midnight mass ending surprised me. This show was great though. It's a shame Mike is done with his mini-series. Would've loved to see more of similar projects.

[@AutoPilate]

Anyone ever stop to wonder how many other bastards Roderick may have had out there who just didn’t know (yet), and have also died in gruesome and tragic ways simply for being part of the bloodline?

[@kalen1702]

I definitely needed a second watch to fully understand the ending of this show, so don't worry if y'all didn't feel like you connected every single dot. You all got more than I did since you're able to talk to your homies there in the studio, so still way better than me watching this last 90 minutes.

[@Rcmkney23]

Never fails to amaze how every prediction out of the guy on right is always wrong

[@jenloveshorror]

Then you haven't been watching all their other reactions obviously

[@Rcmkney23]

ive watched enough to know he annoys me with his constant wrong predictions, interpretations and trying to appear like a movie/tv show expert@@jenloveshorror

[@jenloveshorror]

@Rcmkney23 then not to sound like a smart a$$, but why are u here if u don't like him. Personally I don't watch things I don't like ever especially if the person hosting the show or video clearly I don't like.

[@EricaAmused]

Ok so not that every detail has to be perfect, so I’m wondering if it was deliberate? But when Verna goes to the cemetery at the end, it shows Rodricks and Madeline‘s DOB as 1950 but in the first episode, the year was 1953 when they went to their Dads house, making them 3 yrs old. But clearly they were a lot older?

[@celescoles]

I'd totally watch a Pitch Perfect reaction series. 👀

[@aroisnice]

they already did it! 😊