Fish vs Pro: One Hand, Two Strategies

[@hungryhorsepoker]

what do you guys think of this concept - how to play the SAME hand very differently against different opponents?

[@chazz1me]

Love this approach! Thank you!

[@maxlee5515]

As a beginner I really appreciate this type of content, great work.

[@NeverFlameNeverTilt]

Very good content. It makes understanding situations easier, seeing it from multiple sides

Whoever came up with this concept, must be a genius

[@LazyDonkey-mn2zo]

Love this! Identifying the thinking players and non-thinking players allows you to do exactly this. You must adjust to maximize.

[@DoubleBassX2]

Fish aren't trying to get better and the bad regs will always misapply this stuff anyway so I've changed my stance and am no longer a hater for you releasing such quality stuff for free haha.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

bless u

[@criostasi]

Thank you so much for the awesome analysis. In the first hand I like check calling my K4s even against the fish and these are the reasons: 1) Most fishes bet a safe turn card with AQ/AJ for the fear of flush so you don't lose value. Even when they rarely don't they never fold a river donk with those hands and I am also sure after turn goes x/x to have the best hand 100% of the times. 2) When you check raise flop it's true that you get value from the hands you said, and they also call turn, but not so sure they call a jam on the river. So you basically arrive on the river with one PSB where if you jam you only sometimes get called from worse hands but always lose from better ones that never fold. For those reasons I think check call it's the safer route. You always get 2 streets of value in one way or another and always avoid losing all your stack if beaten. Also allow the fish to bluff some missed flush draw (that they overbluff on the river when it misses. Of course I could be wrong, but I would like to know what you think about this thinking process. Thanks.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

this is reasonable, but i'm less worried about value owning myself sometimes vs fish, and more worried about stacking them when they have a hand like Axss/combo draws that will call a HUGE flop xr and a HUGE turn overbet. they just have more of this stuff than 2 pair/sets and we get to win a MUCH bigger pot.

[@KimiiiRaikkonen]

I love these. There’s so incredible valuable information I would be afraid to play against you live, you are too good!

[@1EyedJack51]

Great delivery in your videos buddy !!!! Keep up the great work and we appreciate you from 🇨🇦💯👍💯

[@hungryhorsepoker]

🥰🥰

[@TheNow_Now]

Curious as to the K4s x/r all in bluff. At the same time, what value hands you have there? You are basically representing 44 (3 combo), A7s (1 combo,. diamonds), and K7s (2 combos). Debatable if K7s suited even calls the flop, although closing the action and vs a small sizing it's probably fine. I think from opponents perspective, they can't just call FH, and have to call A high flushes at some frequency here, since they won't have enough FH here in this node. And a lot of 44 will x/r flop or turn at some frequency too.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

kinda talked about this in the video, but just like there aren't many value combos, there aren't many natural bluffs either. overall, the most important point is asking "WHAT WOULD I DO VS THIS LINE?" when playing vs a pro, and i would most certainly fold a flush on the river to a xr jam. i just strongly strongly strongly believe most live pros are folding flushes here are a high high high frequency which makes the bluff a print. again, would NEVER recommend this line against a fish.

[@31mashr31]

Hahaha I just died at the end when you stared at me awkwardly, lmao! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@DallasDelRio]

So for once I actually disagree with one of the concepts. With the K4 hand vs the pro, when the OOP player check calls twice then raises on the river, I don’t think that’s super convincing. I wouldn’t think someone who has a boat plays it this way leading up to the river. What boats do we have here? It’s only 44, A7 of diamonds, or sometimes K7 of clubs. And even then I feel like those hands raise off on the turn. As played there’s so few boats that arrive here at the river I think it’s a call with a flush.

[@guesswhosucks]

You named 3 boat combos. I get it, not a lot. Can you name the bluffs? Because the only one I see is the K4 suited. So 1:1. Now ask yourself, how often villains find an all in bluff on AK477 as the preflop caller into the PFR who tripled off multi-way? Not saying some pros won’t find calls here, but I think more fold than not because of how strong this line is. Perhaps you fall into the category that calls. Nothing is certain in poker.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

kinda talked about this in the video, but just like there aren't many value combos, there aren't many natural bluffs either. overall, the most important point is asking "WHAT WOULD *I* DO VS THIS LINE?" when playing vs a pro, and i would most certainly fold a flush on the river to a xr jam. i just strongly strongly strongly believe most live pros are folding flushes here are a high high high frequency which makes the bluff a print. again, would NEVER recommend this line against a fish.

[@DallasDelRio]

@@guesswhosucksidk in my games I’ve seen some guys spaz out on the river with a missed broadway draw. I’ve seen this play made with a weak ace that was holding on, and now thinks he’s chopping since the board paired and his kicker doesn’t play.

[@ticenits1926]

@@guesswhosucks I think the issue is you’re assuming that people make logical bluffs, when in reality at small stakes people think bluffing just involves going all in to make someone fold without representing anything or telling a credible story.

[@jt4391]

​@@guesswhosucksthere are actually alot of Ax offs that is closing tha action in the bb that might turning into a bluff

[@Gwreck562]

Great video Marc. I like your coaching style how you simplify things and break them down into different perspectives makes it much easier to take in the info. And thanks for sending me those three videos on Twitter or X. I played my first live tourney of the year at Commerce yesterday the $400 NL 6-Max event and I got 22nd place out of 488 players for $1,380. It was a tough table with a lot of aggressive pros on my left. But I just checked and let them bluff or bet weaker hands into me and check call all the way down and raise river with strong hands to get max value worked great. Looking forward to playing more live tourneys now.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

nice!

[@Gwreck562]

@@hungryhorsepoker I played online yesterday and had like 4 final tables and cashed most tourneys I played. Looking forward to checking out more of your content! 📈

[@soundofsilence21]

I don't understand why you didn't mention the fish could have AK. Raise UTG ✅ CBet into 3 players on AKx flop ✅ Calls your big turn bet (maybe most fish raise here) ✅ I feel like at low stakes cash games AK is the villain's most likely holding here and hero is never ahead with two pair.

[@GB23-Poker]

So against the pro, are you just check folding river if he goes for a more polar sizing, rather than attempting to bluff?

[@digitaldavid5633]

Some of the best videos in the poker space. Keep it up!

[@hungryhorsepoker]

bles u

[@TomRauhe]

Isn't the target of the turn bet to make the river potsized or a bit less? (against the fish)

[@hungryhorsepoker]

if possible, depending on the range we are targeting. sometimes they have a range/stack size that makes that doable, sometimes they dont

[@twiddlinbits]

Marc, I apologize. When I approached you to redeem my kiss, I had no idea I was in possession of unauthorized contraband merch.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

omg, still wondering where that came from!

[@twiddlinbits]

@@hungryhorsepoker It was a weird situation. That guy at my table had it but when I pointed you out, he didn't recognize you. I grabbed it thinking it would lend me legitimacy, but it did the opposite. Haha. I heard him tell you that the guy who gave it to him was looking for you. I don't know, maybe someone's hoping to supply merch for you?

[@JeffreyBlend]

In the JJ spot against the fish on the river, I’ve been taking the large sizing but I’m getting too many hero folds. I’ve been shown top pair and watching it go into the muck. Which is great for my bluffs against these guys, but have to think more about what I bet for value.

[@BrodyGrim]

More amazing information from Mr. Marcus Goonington

[@hungryhorsepoker]

gentle

[@flexurmind]

Probably is a different pool, b cause I mainly play online NL 50-100, but on the last hand when we have JJ vs Reg, if they are decent, I wouldn't rule out completely Flushes on the turn when they check back. For that reason I wouldn't be so happy to x raise. Probably I would choose x call or very small bet to induce a raise with bluffs and thin value.

[@philpowell3416]

Thank you. Very helpful.

[@mjriemen]

Since Fish arent always very excited to raise against large sizings… on A K 4 are we not value owning ourselves at least some percentage of the time? AK, AA, KK…? And do we really think fish will be opeing Q10 suited type hands UTG and not just limping? I think a lot of the combo draws they may have would be more likely limps than opens? Are we assuming they’ll just always be raising off the strong hands because they are scarred of the flush draw? I understand we should be getting money in with 2 pair, but if he does have a limping range, it seems like K4 is pretty thin? I know that sounds probably overtly cautious, and I suppose we block a lot of those hands, but… just asking…

[@hungryhorsepoker]

this is reasonable, but i'm less worried about value owning myself sometimes vs fish, and more worried about stacking them when they have a hand like Axss/combo draws that will call a HUGE flop xr and a HUGE turn overbet. they just have more of this stuff than 2 pair/sets and we get to win a MUCH bigger pot.

[@mjriemen]

@@hungryhorsepoker makes sense. 😘

[@MichaelJamesActually]

I keep hearing about these fish that fold. Can someone tell me where to find them? Anyone I find will call down with a pair of 5s

[@mjriemen]

Same… I got called by pocket 2’s the other day… an underpair to the board… tripple barrel… the board was paired so he did have two pair technically I guess. Who can fold two pair? 🤷‍♂️

[@hungryhorsepoker]

are u playing pot limit hold em?

[@guillermoalvarez9400]

On the K4 vs a pro, yes the river check raise is underbluffed, but only by Recs/fish. If the pro thinks your such a player he may fold, but if he knows you’re capable of bluffing, I think even he calls down a good bit. It’s too nitty to keep betting a pair and flush draw and just auto fold once you make your draw against a capable player. Also, if you rivered a boat, wouldn’t you want to lead out to keep his one pair from checking back , or to get value from his flushes?

[@hungryhorsepoker]

no.

[@guillermoalvarez9400]

Is the pro still a pro if he finds a call against you sometimes (cause he knows you could bluff), or is he a fish that we shouldn’t have tried to bluff

[@paperpauperplayer]

"What pro bluffs in this spot?" *proceeds to bluff in this spot* lol

[@nickto21]

Wow! What a creepy ending. I like it! 👍

[@ajit1313]

Great stuff !

[@jaimev001b]

New sub, great stuff. Thanks.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

welcome

[@fazsiddiqui7152]

Gold. Thank you bro

[@tasoslefth8375]

Believing that pros thinly double barrel makes me chuckle😂

[@lewisriddle5859]

Really like this content!!!

[@hungryhorsepoker]

🥰🥰🥰

[@lewisriddle5859]

@@hungryhorsepoker Bart & Jonathan are the only 1's I've break down a hand. Now you're breaking 1 hand down twice in 2 situations!!!! PERFECT

[@luminrabbit9488]

No Lamborghini needed, though I guess I could sell it for a starting bankroll or a lot of bankrolls 😂 but seriously I’d say hi and thank you very much for the content it helps me think though situations way better than I ever have (the next trick is to be able to do it in game so I’ve got a lot of off the table work to do). Thank you!

[@hungryhorsepoker]

so good to hear 🥰🥰🥰

[@topthehill4549]

If I could subscribe twice I would . good stuff. As always thanks for the content!!!

[@hungryhorsepoker]

bles u

[@Mase1up]

I also ask two questions about villain, "Who is his daddy, and what does he do?"

[@SerErryk]

Don't you think it's more helpful to refer to UTG player as "lojack" when it's 6 handed or no?

[@hungryhorsepoker]

the hand was 8 handed, i make all these 6 handed so it’s easier on the eyes. but sure, if that helps you you can imagine him as lojack.

[@perc_popper27]

I like to imagine the UTG as my friend Jack, that way I don’t get nervous when I’m in a hand with them. My friend Jack is a very kind man who would never try to intimidate me.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

@@perc_popper27 i agree

[@MXDRE907]

K4 vs a pro who flashed the As in real life likely had the nut blocker, not the nut flush. If he’s a pro then he knows you’re a pro and the nut flush is too high in his range to fold vs a player capable of bluffs. Besides, I’m not sure it would make any sense for you to check call with a set when you’d be building a pot vs top pair and protecting your hand vs his potential flush draws. A pro may deconstruct how the hand played and conclude that your line doesn’t make any sense. For that reason, I believe he likely did not have the nut flush (only top pair with the nut blocker) in his hand

[@edwardkain5006]

I feel like you have to watch/listen to these spots so carefully. If one variable changes, folks could be just doing wild shit. Haha

[@josheisert8380]

So in your first example this is where I'm thinking 1 level higher than you, I know no one would be bluffing here that's precisely why I think you, being a pro is bluffing, I make the call with my flush, you actually do turn over the boat and i am punished once again for my wit and higher level of thinking, sigh

[@honorarymancunian7433]

That pro who showed the ace of spades was totally bluffing the flush. If they were laying down the flush they'd show both cards.

[@godsplanpod]

hopefully we were also needling Scrimp in that 2nd game for sitting there with literally 30bbs

[@hungryhorsepoker]

phil helmuth little cousin

[@datdudeoj7673]

I’m gonna need that Lamborghini sir

[@Alic3IiWL]

You make me want to take up shuffleboard

[@sonnycalzone7784]

We’re you insinuating you don’t play anymore ?

[@PedroSanchez-re5vw]

So there’s a chance I’ll win a lambo while learning poker? Haha man I love poker even more now thanks man!

[@hungryhorsepoker]

🥰🥰

[@330miggs]

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[@hungryhorsepoker]

omg

[@glaubs65]

Can I change my Lamborghini for an SUV?

[@coincrazy3563]

bro share your skin routine lol

[@StreetSoulLover]

So bluffing IS the new value betting! But only vs good players...

[@hungryhorsepoker]

no vs everyone

[@CEDOAN]

Damn it , not first

[@singjai]

Lol pro in last hand reraise ur raise with all in turns his 99 bluff catcher into a bluff.

[@pvtglarson1]

im really sorry to always comment garbage ... but your throat is mesmerizing

[@hungryhorsepoker]

this comment can be construed in so many ways!

[@KyleDiGiorgio]

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[@KyleDiGiorgio]

keep the good content coming homie, appreciate you! you know someone knows what they are talking about when they can make something complex sound simple. When I watch your vids I always add something to my notes.....been sharing with the homies def some of the best poker content out there! Thanks for what you do! Will be signing up for your coaching course when I have the time!

[@mjl1966y]

Why is pro not following your advice to check OOP? If checking OOP is not a pro move, why are you telling us to do it? Once again, inconsistent advice. I'm not beating you with a stick here. I'm genuinely confused.

[@johnanthonycreative]

Not all pros are created equal. And Marc is trying to get you to think outside of the box that most people use. Many “pros” are very predictable

[@zorrba121]

Talk slower please.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

no.

[@Alexandertygreat]

The idea you made enough correct decisions to make 7 figures in poker but still made decisions to get that neck tattoo just do not make any sense at all.

[@hungryhorsepoker]

exactly! shows u how low the bar is in poker. if u can breathe out of ur nose, u can make 7 figures too!

[@Alexandertygreat]

@@hungryhorsepoker lol touche